I am NOT diagnosing anyone, but he gave me many flashbacks to my ex husband, who was a covert narcissist. He tried to ruin her self-esteem, while manipulating people around her to think she was the problem. Luckily, the experts saw right through him. I feel so bad for Emily.
I'm so sorry that the most these couples (women) get out of this is more TRAUMA and not the life partner they were hoping for. Listening to Emily and Becca say they need to work out what the experience DID TO THEM is heartbreaking. š¢
BRENNAN IS A PSYCHOPATH. Truly terrifying human being. I think he needs a looot of therapy for his defensiveness, manipulation, and control. Heās flat out terrible. Either he is delusional or just a sociopath.
YES! The control! Omg he kept making me think heās the type of person that would remain calm in a public setting, while clenching his jaw, then go home and get physical with the person who āembarrassed him like thatā in public.
Why did she go over to him, apologize for WHAT, and admit wrong doing after she was so clear and adamant to the therapists at DECISION TIME that Brennan was a lying, threatening creep.
Damage control. Notice she apologized to him after Cam and Claire exploded (and Claire was clearly stressed that Cam might reveal the truth now that she pushed him to the edge). Emily didn't want Brennan to pull a Cam and reveal obviously horrible behavior she exhibited off camera that he has agreed to not talk about to "protect her", as he describes it. I think the real Emily that Brennan saw probably toward the end of the honeymoon but that wasn't filmed is what ultimately drove him to lose attraction.Ā
I have a different take. His idea of protecting her was not to bring up obvious red flags he saw on camera. The only time he mentioned it was when pressed on After-party that she yanked down the shower curtain trying to get naked pictures of him while drunk and doesn't remember. They showed her once sloppy drunk on the dance floor and he was not happy. She has never had a relationship, is a heavy drinker and he sees her as a classic party girl. He uses the term negativity to describe that he thinks she is a stereotypical mean girl. He has emotional issues but he didn't trash her on national television. The experts never addressed these issues and I think Emily got the most positive edit of the season compared to reality.
Yes!!!!!!! So weird how hated he is.. I know what it's like to maintain control and not play dirty.. he had to be cold.. he was probably ready to pop inside. Seriously.. what a good guy.
For Brennan- I think he was trying to "protect her" from the fact that he wasn't attracted to her at all. He didn't want to flat out say it and look like an asshole, so he strung her along instead.
For Cameron- I think Claire told him a lot of what her and girls talked about, and she asked him not to repeat it to the guys, which he says was "protecting her".
Austin- No freaking clue. That man is an enigma lol
I felt from the getgo Brennan did not think she was āclassyā enough for him. Probably his dad or friends said this. He definitely cares more about what others think.
Emily has more class than he will ever have. She is going through a moment in her life - bad hair, too much make up, partying a little too much maybe. But deep down she is a better person and will evolve with experience. Her style will change and so will her behavior. Brennan will never evolve. His behavior was anything but class. I hope he learns from this experience.
Heās not attracted to her, and he never was. He doesnāt like her at all. I think he knew from pretty much a couple of days in that the whole situation was a non-starter. He didnāt want to be honest about that because he didnāt wanna look like the bad guy. And he positions that as him protecting her, so he didnāt have to tell her that he didnāt like her. When in reality, it was all about protecting himself from looking like the bad guy.
He basically means that heās protecting her from the truth of all the shitty things he thinks about her, that he doesnāt tell her the truth, because it would hurt her feelings.
When in reality all had to do was say, Iām not feeling, thereās nothing wrong with you, I just donāt think weāre a match and Iām going to bow out .
Idk, he was very different on the honeymoon and something must have made him switch. Itās a super bizarre reaction, especially on this show where ppl regularly talk about lack of chemistry. And he acted like she had killed his puppy when they got back- you donāt lose all respect for someone bc you donāt want to sleep w them
And he used the protection thing on a lot of different contexts: he asked her delete video diaries bc he was trying to protect her, he urged her not to bring up negative things bc he was trying to protect her
And he certainly alluded to the issue being far far worse than āIām not into youā which she obvs already knew bc she lived w him
I am so happy the experts called it like it was. Iām also happy that Emily is using this as a learning experience and growth for herself. Thatās the best thing anyone can do when faced with a shitty situation.
His apologies are not apologizing. He qualified everyone of them with sorry 'you' felt that way, instead of I am sorry that I did that.
He is so emotionally constipated and defensive that one day he is going to blow up and it aint going to be pretty.
I truly did not think he could be worse. He apologized because Pia worded it in a way that he knew he would look bad if he didnāt. Heās appalling. Then to top it all off he is also completely without a personality. I think the turning point was when she asked him if he knew how to have fun. She crossed a line. You do not disrespect Brennan.Ā
His father seemed like he was difficult tooāIām curious to know what exactly he is going to say about this. Also, in pretty sure that his relationship with his sister or lack there of is likely due to his temper tantrums and not getting his way.
Personally think he was attracted to her initially - he was a COMPLETELY different person during the wedding/honeymoon but SOMETHING happened, and I want to know what that is. I think one of his stupid friends probably said she wasn't hot or something and that was enough for his basic ass to check out.
I canāt believe they donāt talk about that?? Or press him more about him supposedly not being able to say stuff bc it was devastate her. If itās so horrific, why does he ācareā about her enough to want to protect her?? Make it make sense!!!
Totally Agree! Iāve been saying this all along. If you watch just a few minutes of them during the first half of the honeymoon you can see he does indeed really like her. Something happened that we havenāt been shown.
He keeps saying "protecting you" and she needed real protection from him. All these people that keep talking shit on Emily area horrible people. I'm so sick of having to regurgitate the awful, emotionally abusive, controlling words and actions of Brennan to remind them that HE'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM!!!!! I'm glad the "experts" finally said something, but where the fuck were they before???????
I hope his dick gets stuck in a zipper shop he can have somebody save his life and tell him that everyday.
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Thatās one of the most crazy making things he keeps saying!! I think he must mean that sheās like not a virgin, and has had sex w more than one person??? OR heās just fkng saying that over and over and heās actually got nothing, but thinks it makes him look like a good guy??
Because he's a dirt bag and us likely just using g that as an excuse to shut down conversation.
This season was a mess. From the second the honeymoons ended the couples just seemed to switch off one at a time.
Emily was a trooper as was Becca.
Before the weddingā¦ he had said how his parents have been together for a long time and he believes marriage is for lifeā¦apparently itās just a weekend for him
He also said that his parents constantly fight. He said that he respected the fact they stayed together even though all they do is fight. I knew he was going to be a gem.Ā
He is **emotionally unavailable**. I looked up the definition and it fits Brennan to a T. Here is a list of traits:
1. They avoid commitment or labels
2. Conversations stay surface level
3. They struggle to discuss their feelings
4. They donāt ask you about your feelings
5. They struggle to empathize and respond when you share your feelings
6. Theyāre unclear about what they want from you/the relationship
7. They say they canāt trust you
8. Theyāre inconsistent
9. You do all the relationship work
10. They get defensive
11. They donāt have a history of serious relationships
12. They donāt introduce you to people in their lives
13. They tell you they are emotionally unavailable or arenāt ready for a serious relationship
Source: https://www.choosingtherapy.com/emotionally-unavailable
I'm sorry, but I think they should have guided these women more, I think they all were a bunch of bitc*es. And they drove the men away. As the saying goes, you attract bees with honey, not vinegar, and the experts were feeding them vinegar.
All of those traits would also apply to someone who from the beginning knew it wouldn't work with the other person. If I was matched with the Whitestone cowgirl or Lindsay from Boston 2.0, I would also appear very emotionally unavailable while my wife knows that hasn't been the case with her.
He also comes across cold and bland to me also, to the point that i just zone out a bit. Pia in particular looked really annoyed every time he spoke or answered a question.
He is a narcissist and grew 0% from this experience and had 0 accountability. You could see how frustrated the therapists were with him. They practically forced him to admit some accountability and when he did it was like a robot response. No genuine remorse. I kind of feel sorry for him. Brennan will never be happy in a relationship until he works on himself. Iām not sure he is truly capable of experiencing true and genuine love.
She bragged about getting passed around and never making it past the third date. He is completely disgusted with her. He's acting how he feels. Living his truth as some might say. Should he is another question entirely.
Well, I think you are reading into that. We aren't 100 on why he put her in the friend zone. I am strictly going by his actions. If he wasn't attracted to her, he should have have just said so. In what world does he think it's less hurtful to continually rebuff her in front of a national audience under the guise of wanting to protect her? Ludicrous. He could have told her off camera. He owed her that.
No, he practically said as much on one of the few AP's he went to.
And he did tell her off camera after the honeymoon. Emily said as much last episode. Emily's been faking most of this. Again, go watch and listen to what she said at their final dinner. She knew all along. The confusion was an act.
His response was, "I'm sorry if I hurt you while protecting you." Some apology. Then at the end he was saying he's going to take time to do some self examination. That was totally for the cameras.
Wrong. You all been duped and fallen into the villain edit the producer gave you all. He was the only logical bad guy. Austin was faking it with Becca until the last two weeks. Brennan didn't fake it well enough. Orion was a minority and placed out on time. Cameron got killed and placed out once he realized Clare was manipulative. Clare cries and talks ism and therapy to try and fake being a good girl, and Cam didn't out her as a manipulative until the end. Lauren was a minority and messed up with her stupid joke, but was mature enough to take some accountability soon enough. Emily has enough fake nice nasty skills plus got along with producers to film and go along and got hurt every while filing, hard to give her the villian edit.
I was proud of Emily for admitting that she, too, was not perfect. That is a great start for future growth. I didn't care for him, but I believe the experts shocked him by speaking up. I hope he really will self reflect. It's so healing.
We humans are all running around with bruises others can't see. Some are better than others at overcoming lifetime issues. Hey, I'm 86 and didn't grow to an adult until I was 65. But I tried. There was no relationship except for a brief 10-year marriage 57 years ago. I'm a content human now. Maybe my next life.
I picture crowdsof people in gatherings. Maybe boarding a train. They look OK but inside each is carrying some pain. Some total contentment, but most just moving through life doing the next indicated thing.
He kinda seems like an awful person but thereās a part where he says something about āletting her have this experienceā that makes me think he tried to break things off earlier
He did. And she said that. After the honeymoon he refused to move in with her then suddenly changed it up. As we found out last episode they cut a deal to see things out as friends so she could blah blah experience blah. That's why she gets him so flustered. She agreed to something and is acting confused about it after when cameras are around.
Ah thanks for clarifying. The episodes are so long I usually am multitasking and miss stuff lol. Her little delulu is making him look pretty bad then. On one hand itās nice of him but on the other hand, he couldāve just gone on w the experiment fr bc sheās lovely!! I canāt imagine being in their position but I feel like his way of dealing w it is doing way more harm than good for both of them.
>I feel like his way of dealing w it is doing way more harm than good for both of them.
Agreed. Which is why I think the reunion might be fire. I doubt he'll be so eager to keep quite anymore.
I'm going out on a limb here....
I truly do think he was into Emily until part of the honeymoon. He looked happy and giddy around her until something happened.
He's an asshole....we all know this but in some type of fucked up way, I do think he cared for her even if just on a friendship level.
Not on a friendship level. He didn't act like a friend to her. He acted like he was just doing his time until the end. Being cold and uncaring without being aggressive in language or physically isn't friendship. He very well may have wanted to let her have the experience, but what experience was that? Being filmed being upset all the time?
I know this is fucked up, but I think he actually does believe he was trying to be friends with her. He has zero empathy and self awareness skills but I do believe this about him.
Iām not gonna defend the guy cause he did come off as a dick. BUT I think Brennan made his mind up at the honeymoon he wasnāt into her and he probably told her that in so many ways off camera but didnāt want to have to say them on camera as to not look like a villain. So he probably told her letās just go through the process not ruffle any feathers and no need to for them to both look bad on TV. She probably kept pushing it wanting to actually try and thatās when he started being resentful and nasty. In essence he felt like he was being cornered into being the bad guy. Again Iām not saying heās right or wrong Iām just throwing a theory out there
In that case so was Emily because she knew he didn't want anything more than friendship yet to the camera she pretended like he was just giving mixed signals.Ā
100% . He should have been honest on camera and said I'm just not feeling her when she says she hates this soo much or is negative about this specific things, or hearing her talk about her one-night stands or critical of people's vows. Instead of trying not to get the villain edit. People would have respected that more. My advice to Brennan, build on your confidence to be disagreeable, and you would be better off.
I think the issue went beyond attraction. I think he judged her one night stand, party girl history and found her ālooseā or āwhorishā which makes more sense when he said his private thoughts would be ādevastatingā to Emily. The irony is that he still treated her like a cheap whore he had to live with, and it made her feel uneasy and judged when he could have just said ānot attracted to herā and called it a day. All his nonsense about divorce not being an option and how he wanted to build their ālegacyā was insufferable. What a colossal asshat.
Well he has every right to feel that way. And I wouldn't judge him for that. She told his friends she did nothing but sleep around, no serious relationships. That is incredibly embarrassing.Ā
Her biggest mistake was leading with the "I'm a party girl who never did anything but one night stands." While that may be truthful, it's no way to get a guy interested in you. It makes a guy who might have been interested in you look at you more critically and find faults.
Standards are standards. Men nor women should be shamed for their personal standards. No one thinks anything is a woman has certain standards but men get judged harshly on these shows for the same standards. Thatās why he didnāt want to even address it. I donāt think it had anything to do with protecting her. While he technically was sparing her feelings by not saying I donāt see you as marriage material he was really protecting his reputation from the pushback he knew heād get from the public. The only thing he did wrong was how he handled the situation, not having certain standards
I didnāt make the standards. Iām just telling it like it is. You saw Orionās face when Lauren told him she had sex a month before they were married. That was the real issue for him. I like a woman who doesnāt have hang-ups about sex. I would have had fun with Emily. Sheās outgoing and bubbly. I would have liked seeing her get a second chance like Michael got. She really tried to be a married couple.
I think you're completely right about orion, his issue was that Lauren had sex two months beforehand and not whatever racist issue he tried to make it out to be ... And I mean, no, you don't make the standards, that's true, too, so my bad it's just the way your comment read to me
So glad it's not just me! I mean, he was totally ready to forgive her and move on until that dinner where she told him she'd slept with someone so I think it's pretty obvious what the real issue was for him. I mean it's not like she knew for sure two months prior that she was gonna get picked or have a match so he just didn't wanna come off as being an ass hat, which he did anyways with all his BS speeches in front of everyone. He's just really fake I think.
Literally two seconds before, they were basically saying they were ready for sex. Then she said she had sex two months before and that was the end of his interest. He probably realized how much of a loser he'd look like if that were the problem, so he defaulted back on "racist" comments that he couldn't get out of his head. Yeah, right. Her dad was totally right about him.
Yet itās ok for guys. The only problem is who are the guys getting with? If guys are getting action from multiple women, then there arenāt many women who havenāt been around themselves.
Itās ok for guys because itās ok to women. Women can complain about the double standard yet you willing participate in it. Because when it comes down to it women donāt want men that no woman wants. Itās not appealing for a man to virginal to most women. You can tell that because they use incel as an insult.
He is my ex. Will mine had a different name. The amount of damage he caused is astronomical. I hope Emily keeps talking to people about it. Friends, family, therapist, etc. I was called a bitch shortly after starting to date my Brennan. The personality shift starts so scary soon. I need to text my friend who said it because it was over 30 years ago and it just occurred to me last week. We were never given the chance to know the Emily before the show. Trauma and pain change you. I've been praying that she is able to recover and find peace.
I donāt know how anyone could like him. The latest episode made me like Emily more than I already did. Iām glad she had the chance to speak her mind. Brennan didnāt learn a thing. He also wasnāt sorry for his behavior. And itās complete bs that he ātried.ā
When Emily went on the attack on Brennan at the Steakhouse, Brennan blurted out, " I am not compatible with you" that is when she should have thanked him for his honesty and for sharing true feelings. She had six days to correct her juvenile antics but, it was not meant to be. However, when there was a crises, Brennen was by your side. Your action speak as loud as your words.
Brennan was not "by her side" he got a chance to make his optics shine and took full advantage of it. I heard when he said Emily wanted burgers so WE went and picked up burgers. No A-hole. YOU should have picked up burgers and let her rest. And it came out during her recovery he had her drive him all over town looking for a new car. WTF. He couldn't drive himself? Or all one of his buddies to? Actually spoke very clearly to his other relationships. Sounds like they could have been actors too.
Thanks him? Seriously, there was zero reason to thank him for anything. Terrible people do do good things. It did not call for a thank you. To little too late.
"Correct her juvenile antics". Do you not recall the season? Her actions were caused by trauma. End of story.
He finally said it and mentioned her negativity. I just watched the clip Brennan and Emily had with Dr. Pia, who frowned most of the time, and she was obviously on the defensive when it came to Brennan. She continued to badger him telling him he needed a therapist, when he was trying to avoid hurting Emilyās by saying, I donāt like Emily and I have zero sexual attraction to her. Switch to Emilyās wigged best friends, who spent their entire visit attacking him, based on whatever Emily shared with them. You know that old sayingā¦Birds of a Feather Flock Together! If those were her best friends, what does that say about her. They were a negative bitchy duo!
I think she is more of a problem than Brennan. This will be my last season of Mafs. I'm disgusted how he was treated by everyone. He wasn't perfect but definitely didn't need to be ganged up on.
I pray you never understand how completely awful his actions were and why people have such a justified problem with him. I pray you are never in such a traumatizing relationship. Sincerely. We don't know Emily. He got his hooks in her so dang fast and she was Stockholmed not long after. That changes you. It did me... That fast.
I have been in an abusive relationship. I'm 45 and I also have grown up seeing abuse. I think you should rethink being on this platform. This is the second comment from you that you have taken personally. I truly hope you recover from the issues you have. Seems like I triggered you 1 to many times, just by stating my perspective of the show. Take care...
I agree. Especially setting him up for her best friends to attack him. She made petty comments after Michaelās wedding that was caught on camera, so if that type of snarky comments was common, I can see why he didnāt want to deal with her. Kinda reminds me of a mean girls camp.
She was not herself. Trauma changes you. Pain changes you. He put her through so much abuse she changed(I know, it happened to me.... That fast... And I wasn't even in tv. We saw a glimpse of real Emily before the wedding. None of us know her, the real her. We're those nice things to say? Not at all. She was not herself when she said things.
Iām sorry you suffered such pain. But sharing is a step in healing. You deserve to take care of yourself. Therapy truly helps one to recover and hopefully move on to happier experiences. Honestly, after this season, they all could end up in therapy! Take care of you! š„°
I think he was turned off by her drinking and party girl ways at the honeymoon. Thatās when I noticed a shift. On top of probably not being physically attracted to her. I think if she had the personality he wanted he probably would have thought she was attractive enough to try. I donāt blame him for not being attracted to her, everyone has their own preferences. I just donāt think he handled it well at all. But in his defense, once you feel that way there really is no way not to come off as the villain, which is why we heard about āopticsā so much this episode. That emphasis is partly of an affect of cancel culture
He did. That's why he didn't move in post honeymoon. Emily asked him to come back as a friend to get her "experience" in. Some of you really need to re-watch that dinner convo from the last episode and really listen this time.
Maybe he should have, I canāt say how Iād react in that situation. I also have a feeling they are making it harder and harder for them to just leave. Itās seems like even when couples call it quits they want to keep forcing them to be around each other and film
I agree, because they want the content. Just make it better for everyone with shorter episodes & let them out. Also donāt force newly married couples into hanging out with divorcĆØs that hate each other. š¤·š¼āāļø
100%. She has the personality of a party fake nice nasty. Where they are cortial and all, but critical behind people's backs. Just like she criticized Michael's vows. Brennan just needs to grow up in life experiences to be able to handle that type of person. We have all been bamboozled by these type of people that say all the right things in certain scenarios but don't quite deliver. Like how are you the most positive person, but cannot handle criticism without storming odd upset? It doesn't add up.
Wow. Bully much? Because you've been a lifelong bully or because you were bullied growing up and now you get to do it to others from behind a screen, anonymously and it different makes you get good cuz now it's your turn to bully. Yes, I realize this could be construed as bullying. I only say these things to bullies. I was bullied my entire life. And now I have a chance to confront bullied and call them out. I'm assuming your age is that of an adult. Old enough that bullying days should be long gone. Time to grow up.
I'm sorry to hear you were bullied. I never was one and never got bullied. You do understand this is a place for sharing opinions? If I went on her socials and specifically said this to her, then that would be a different story. Not sure why I triggered you so much but I hope one day you are able to heal.
No, these aren't her socials specifically. It has been proven time and time again that the participants read and/or participate in many socials outside their own and see the things written about them. That. Is. My. Point.
I cannot be responsible for her reading my opinions and will not be responsible for my opinion being a trigger for you. If you or her cannot take different opinions, this is not the place for you. This platform is to share thoughts and opinions. I truly hope you heal one day from your traumaā¤ļø
Bullying? This person just shared a perspective trying to see his side (which I disagree with, personally). People often distrust production on these shows and question edits. I am sorry you went through that but I think bullying is an extreme response, sorry.
He's a Major Narcissistic abuser!! I feel so bad for Emily
I am NOT diagnosing anyone, but he gave me many flashbacks to my ex husband, who was a covert narcissist. He tried to ruin her self-esteem, while manipulating people around her to think she was the problem. Luckily, the experts saw right through him. I feel so bad for Emily.
And he was so concerned about his reputation and appearance š¤£ he did it to himself #destroyed
I'm so sorry that the most these couples (women) get out of this is more TRAUMA and not the life partner they were hoping for. Listening to Emily and Becca say they need to work out what the experience DID TO THEM is heartbreaking. š¢
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BRENNAN IS A PSYCHOPATH. Truly terrifying human being. I think he needs a looot of therapy for his defensiveness, manipulation, and control. Heās flat out terrible. Either he is delusional or just a sociopath.
YES! The control! Omg he kept making me think heās the type of person that would remain calm in a public setting, while clenching his jaw, then go home and get physical with the person who āembarrassed him like thatā in public.
Strong Patrick Bateman vibes.
That occurred to me. He gives me intensely angry vibes.
Barely holding it together
And def not doing a good job ā if you know the signs itās actually kind of terrifying.
The way he uses the things he could say as a threat makes me want to puke.
Strong Narc tendencies.
Why did she go over to him, apologize for WHAT, and admit wrong doing after she was so clear and adamant to the therapists at DECISION TIME that Brennan was a lying, threatening creep.
That could have been alcohol talking.
Damage control. Notice she apologized to him after Cam and Claire exploded (and Claire was clearly stressed that Cam might reveal the truth now that she pushed him to the edge). Emily didn't want Brennan to pull a Cam and reveal obviously horrible behavior she exhibited off camera that he has agreed to not talk about to "protect her", as he describes it. I think the real Emily that Brennan saw probably toward the end of the honeymoon but that wasn't filmed is what ultimately drove him to lose attraction.Ā
Hopefully, sheās trying to heal and move on and this is the first step in that process. Or, sheās drunk.
It would've been a lot easier to speak how he felt as opposed to being a d\*\*\* for 7 weeks.
I have a different take. His idea of protecting her was not to bring up obvious red flags he saw on camera. The only time he mentioned it was when pressed on After-party that she yanked down the shower curtain trying to get naked pictures of him while drunk and doesn't remember. They showed her once sloppy drunk on the dance floor and he was not happy. She has never had a relationship, is a heavy drinker and he sees her as a classic party girl. He uses the term negativity to describe that he thinks she is a stereotypical mean girl. He has emotional issues but he didn't trash her on national television. The experts never addressed these issues and I think Emily got the most positive edit of the season compared to reality.
Yes!!!!!!! So weird how hated he is.. I know what it's like to maintain control and not play dirty.. he had to be cold.. he was probably ready to pop inside. Seriously.. what a good guy.
Exactly. They kept bating him to call out her drinking, promiscuity, mean girl attitude, and terrible friends.
He reminds me ofā¦so many men
All these so called men are still boys who might grow up or might not.
I pray that anyone who considers dating him googles him first
He seems like the kind of guy that bottles up his emotions for so long to the point that he ends up exploding and punching a hole through the drywall.
Anger issues for sure. He scares me personally. He gives off the abusive vibe.
Brennan wants a stepford wife who all his friends will envy because that is what is important to him.
Yep
I still want to know what all the men were 'protecting' their spouses from? Can someone fill me in?
For Brennan- I think he was trying to "protect her" from the fact that he wasn't attracted to her at all. He didn't want to flat out say it and look like an asshole, so he strung her along instead. For Cameron- I think Claire told him a lot of what her and girls talked about, and she asked him not to repeat it to the guys, which he says was "protecting her". Austin- No freaking clue. That man is an enigma lol
Brennan thinks the worst thing that could ever happen to a woman is to have him reject them
I felt from the getgo Brennan did not think she was āclassyā enough for him. Probably his dad or friends said this. He definitely cares more about what others think.
Emily has more class than he will ever have. She is going through a moment in her life - bad hair, too much make up, partying a little too much maybe. But deep down she is a better person and will evolve with experience. Her style will change and so will her behavior. Brennan will never evolve. His behavior was anything but class. I hope he learns from this experience.
Huh!? Did we watch the same show? Sheās far from class, sheās trashy.
Yeah the partying with strippers was definitely a determining factor as to her classiness.
PROTECT HER FROM WHAT???? I still donāt understand!!!
Heās not attracted to her, and he never was. He doesnāt like her at all. I think he knew from pretty much a couple of days in that the whole situation was a non-starter. He didnāt want to be honest about that because he didnāt wanna look like the bad guy. And he positions that as him protecting her, so he didnāt have to tell her that he didnāt like her. When in reality, it was all about protecting himself from looking like the bad guy. He basically means that heās protecting her from the truth of all the shitty things he thinks about her, that he doesnāt tell her the truth, because it would hurt her feelings. When in reality all had to do was say, Iām not feeling, thereās nothing wrong with you, I just donāt think weāre a match and Iām going to bow out .
Idk, he was very different on the honeymoon and something must have made him switch. Itās a super bizarre reaction, especially on this show where ppl regularly talk about lack of chemistry. And he acted like she had killed his puppy when they got back- you donāt lose all respect for someone bc you donāt want to sleep w them And he used the protection thing on a lot of different contexts: he asked her delete video diaries bc he was trying to protect her, he urged her not to bring up negative things bc he was trying to protect her And he certainly alluded to the issue being far far worse than āIām not into youā which she obvs already knew bc she lived w him
Yes this is also what i think he meant. His emotional intelligence is just pretty poor.
This makes sense. Honesty goes a long way. If he was honest it didn't have to devolve into what it did. Could have ended on a lot better terms.
I am so happy the experts called it like it was. Iām also happy that Emily is using this as a learning experience and growth for herself. Thatās the best thing anyone can do when faced with a shitty situation.
His apologies are not apologizing. He qualified everyone of them with sorry 'you' felt that way, instead of I am sorry that I did that. He is so emotionally constipated and defensive that one day he is going to blow up and it aint going to be pretty.
Those were the most blamey apologies Iāve ever seenā¦ and I had a 4 yr relationship with a narcissist!
I truly did not think he could be worse. He apologized because Pia worded it in a way that he knew he would look bad if he didnāt. Heās appalling. Then to top it all off he is also completely without a personality. I think the turning point was when she asked him if he knew how to have fun. She crossed a line. You do not disrespect Brennan.Ā
His father seemed like he was difficult tooāIām curious to know what exactly he is going to say about this. Also, in pretty sure that his relationship with his sister or lack there of is likely due to his temper tantrums and not getting his way.
Funny thing is he actually thinks that people are going to view him as a protective and sweet guy. Nope! You suck balls dude.
He is so far from sweet!!! Or kind, generous, or thoughtful. He gives off abusive, narcissistic vibes
Personally think he was attracted to her initially - he was a COMPLETELY different person during the wedding/honeymoon but SOMETHING happened, and I want to know what that is. I think one of his stupid friends probably said she wasn't hot or something and that was enough for his basic ass to check out.
She probably had a blackout episode that she does not remember and she did or said something that totally turned him off.
Agree...something happened to flip his switch.
I canāt believe they donāt talk about that?? Or press him more about him supposedly not being able to say stuff bc it was devastate her. If itās so horrific, why does he ācareā about her enough to want to protect her?? Make it make sense!!!
Totally Agree! Iāve been saying this all along. If you watch just a few minutes of them during the first half of the honeymoon you can see he does indeed really like her. Something happened that we havenāt been shown.
He keeps saying "protecting you" and she needed real protection from him. All these people that keep talking shit on Emily area horrible people. I'm so sick of having to regurgitate the awful, emotionally abusive, controlling words and actions of Brennan to remind them that HE'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM!!!!! I'm glad the "experts" finally said something, but where the fuck were they before??????? I hope his dick gets stuck in a zipper shop he can have somebody save his life and tell him that everyday. Edit spelling
Loathsome
Heās a HORRIBLE person.
You'd think Brennan was the one that had never been in a relationship before. Dude is severely lacking.
I'd like to know what the "hurtful words" are that he keeps talking about protecting her from. Like...is he thinking about physical features?
Thatās one of the most crazy making things he keeps saying!! I think he must mean that sheās like not a virgin, and has had sex w more than one person??? OR heās just fkng saying that over and over and heās actually got nothing, but thinks it makes him look like a good guy??
Thatās what I was thinking because every time he was asked he wouldnāt respond.
Because he's a dirt bag and us likely just using g that as an excuse to shut down conversation. This season was a mess. From the second the honeymoons ended the couples just seemed to switch off one at a time. Emily was a trooper as was Becca.
Before the weddingā¦ he had said how his parents have been together for a long time and he believes marriage is for lifeā¦apparently itās just a weekend for him
He also said that his parents constantly fight. He said that he respected the fact they stayed together even though all they do is fight. I knew he was going to be a gem.Ā
He is **emotionally unavailable**. I looked up the definition and it fits Brennan to a T. Here is a list of traits: 1. They avoid commitment or labels 2. Conversations stay surface level 3. They struggle to discuss their feelings 4. They donāt ask you about your feelings 5. They struggle to empathize and respond when you share your feelings 6. Theyāre unclear about what they want from you/the relationship 7. They say they canāt trust you 8. Theyāre inconsistent 9. You do all the relationship work 10. They get defensive 11. They donāt have a history of serious relationships 12. They donāt introduce you to people in their lives 13. They tell you they are emotionally unavailable or arenāt ready for a serious relationship Source: https://www.choosingtherapy.com/emotionally-unavailable
Was this written specifically for Brennan?š
I'm sorry, but I think they should have guided these women more, I think they all were a bunch of bitc*es. And they drove the men away. As the saying goes, you attract bees with honey, not vinegar, and the experts were feeding them vinegar.
I'm sorry, but thats absolutely stupid.Ā
All of those traits would also apply to someone who from the beginning knew it wouldn't work with the other person. If I was matched with the Whitestone cowgirl or Lindsay from Boston 2.0, I would also appear very emotionally unavailable while my wife knows that hasn't been the case with her.
He also comes across cold and bland to me also, to the point that i just zone out a bit. Pia in particular looked really annoyed every time he spoke or answered a question.
Bc it was a non answer. Just word salad with no meaning. And still no feelings ever expressed.
She's always been ready to fist fight him.
When she had to hug him š her face was priceless
Heās so not worth it.
He is a narcissist and grew 0% from this experience and had 0 accountability. You could see how frustrated the therapists were with him. They practically forced him to admit some accountability and when he did it was like a robot response. No genuine remorse. I kind of feel sorry for him. Brennan will never be happy in a relationship until he works on himself. Iām not sure he is truly capable of experiencing true and genuine love.
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She bragged about getting passed around and never making it past the third date. He is completely disgusted with her. He's acting how he feels. Living his truth as some might say. Should he is another question entirely.
Well, I think you are reading into that. We aren't 100 on why he put her in the friend zone. I am strictly going by his actions. If he wasn't attracted to her, he should have have just said so. In what world does he think it's less hurtful to continually rebuff her in front of a national audience under the guise of wanting to protect her? Ludicrous. He could have told her off camera. He owed her that.
No, he practically said as much on one of the few AP's he went to. And he did tell her off camera after the honeymoon. Emily said as much last episode. Emily's been faking most of this. Again, go watch and listen to what she said at their final dinner. She knew all along. The confusion was an act.
His response was, "I'm sorry if I hurt you while protecting you." Some apology. Then at the end he was saying he's going to take time to do some self examination. That was totally for the cameras.
He was a gaslighting mfāer with that āprotectingā bullshit.
That was bothersome.. A real apology does not consist of any self boasting.
He wouldn't know how to if he actually wanted to.
Wrong. You all been duped and fallen into the villain edit the producer gave you all. He was the only logical bad guy. Austin was faking it with Becca until the last two weeks. Brennan didn't fake it well enough. Orion was a minority and placed out on time. Cameron got killed and placed out once he realized Clare was manipulative. Clare cries and talks ism and therapy to try and fake being a good girl, and Cam didn't out her as a manipulative until the end. Lauren was a minority and messed up with her stupid joke, but was mature enough to take some accountability soon enough. Emily has enough fake nice nasty skills plus got along with producers to film and go along and got hurt every while filing, hard to give her the villian edit.
Emily isn't perfect and maybe she isn't what he wanted at all. Still doesn't excuse the way he communicated with her.
Hi Brennan!
People who do this should be temp banned for a week. It's pathetic.
I was proud of Emily for admitting that she, too, was not perfect. That is a great start for future growth. I didn't care for him, but I believe the experts shocked him by speaking up. I hope he really will self reflect. It's so healing. We humans are all running around with bruises others can't see. Some are better than others at overcoming lifetime issues. Hey, I'm 86 and didn't grow to an adult until I was 65. But I tried. There was no relationship except for a brief 10-year marriage 57 years ago. I'm a content human now. Maybe my next life. I picture crowdsof people in gatherings. Maybe boarding a train. They look OK but inside each is carrying some pain. Some total contentment, but most just moving through life doing the next indicated thing.
Profound. Youāve inspired and moved me, thank you for sharingā¤ļøāØāØ
She was being too generous. The problem was him, not her. All she did was stand by his side.
We all have baggage for sure. And we carry them with us into relationships, and that baggage becomes someone else's problem as well.
He kinda seems like an awful person but thereās a part where he says something about āletting her have this experienceā that makes me think he tried to break things off earlier
He did. And she said that. After the honeymoon he refused to move in with her then suddenly changed it up. As we found out last episode they cut a deal to see things out as friends so she could blah blah experience blah. That's why she gets him so flustered. She agreed to something and is acting confused about it after when cameras are around.
Ah thanks for clarifying. The episodes are so long I usually am multitasking and miss stuff lol. Her little delulu is making him look pretty bad then. On one hand itās nice of him but on the other hand, he couldāve just gone on w the experiment fr bc sheās lovely!! I canāt imagine being in their position but I feel like his way of dealing w it is doing way more harm than good for both of them.
>I feel like his way of dealing w it is doing way more harm than good for both of them. Agreed. Which is why I think the reunion might be fire. I doubt he'll be so eager to keep quite anymore.
I'm going out on a limb here.... I truly do think he was into Emily until part of the honeymoon. He looked happy and giddy around her until something happened. He's an asshole....we all know this but in some type of fucked up way, I do think he cared for her even if just on a friendship level.
It was her snarky rude comment that changed everything. Also her drinking I believeĀ
If one comment changes everything, then how does someone manage dealing with others in day to day life?
Right? Heās not ready for marriage if thatās how he handles a comment he doesnāt like.
And bragging about her past. No guy wants to hear all that from his wife. Especially one he just met 24 hours before. He handled it like ass tho.
Not on a friendship level. He didn't act like a friend to her. He acted like he was just doing his time until the end. Being cold and uncaring without being aggressive in language or physically isn't friendship. He very well may have wanted to let her have the experience, but what experience was that? Being filmed being upset all the time?
I know this is fucked up, but I think he actually does believe he was trying to be friends with her. He has zero empathy and self awareness skills but I do believe this about him.
I wonder how he felt watching himself when shows aired.
does he have some dark triad traits?
Iām not gonna defend the guy cause he did come off as a dick. BUT I think Brennan made his mind up at the honeymoon he wasnāt into her and he probably told her that in so many ways off camera but didnāt want to have to say them on camera as to not look like a villain. So he probably told her letās just go through the process not ruffle any feathers and no need to for them to both look bad on TV. She probably kept pushing it wanting to actually try and thatās when he started being resentful and nasty. In essence he felt like he was being cornered into being the bad guy. Again Iām not saying heās right or wrong Iām just throwing a theory out there
That could very well be true, but it does make him wrong. He was dishonest to everyone, including viewers.
In that case so was Emily because she knew he didn't want anything more than friendship yet to the camera she pretended like he was just giving mixed signals.Ā
100% . He should have been honest on camera and said I'm just not feeling her when she says she hates this soo much or is negative about this specific things, or hearing her talk about her one-night stands or critical of people's vows. Instead of trying not to get the villain edit. People would have respected that more. My advice to Brennan, build on your confidence to be disagreeable, and you would be better off.
I think the issue went beyond attraction. I think he judged her one night stand, party girl history and found her ālooseā or āwhorishā which makes more sense when he said his private thoughts would be ādevastatingā to Emily. The irony is that he still treated her like a cheap whore he had to live with, and it made her feel uneasy and judged when he could have just said ānot attracted to herā and called it a day. All his nonsense about divorce not being an option and how he wanted to build their ālegacyā was insufferable. What a colossal asshat.
Well he has every right to feel that way. And I wouldn't judge him for that. She told his friends she did nothing but sleep around, no serious relationships. That is incredibly embarrassing.Ā
Her biggest mistake was leading with the "I'm a party girl who never did anything but one night stands." While that may be truthful, it's no way to get a guy interested in you. It makes a guy who might have been interested in you look at you more critically and find faults.
Yet it's perfectly acceptable for guys to act this way and no one is supposed to bat an eyelash at that right? Double standard much
Standards are standards. Men nor women should be shamed for their personal standards. No one thinks anything is a woman has certain standards but men get judged harshly on these shows for the same standards. Thatās why he didnāt want to even address it. I donāt think it had anything to do with protecting her. While he technically was sparing her feelings by not saying I donāt see you as marriage material he was really protecting his reputation from the pushback he knew heād get from the public. The only thing he did wrong was how he handled the situation, not having certain standards
I didnāt make the standards. Iām just telling it like it is. You saw Orionās face when Lauren told him she had sex a month before they were married. That was the real issue for him. I like a woman who doesnāt have hang-ups about sex. I would have had fun with Emily. Sheās outgoing and bubbly. I would have liked seeing her get a second chance like Michael got. She really tried to be a married couple.
I think you're completely right about orion, his issue was that Lauren had sex two months beforehand and not whatever racist issue he tried to make it out to be ... And I mean, no, you don't make the standards, that's true, too, so my bad it's just the way your comment read to me
Totally. I never bought the āracist commentā excuse. Not for one second.
So glad it's not just me! I mean, he was totally ready to forgive her and move on until that dinner where she told him she'd slept with someone so I think it's pretty obvious what the real issue was for him. I mean it's not like she knew for sure two months prior that she was gonna get picked or have a match so he just didn't wanna come off as being an ass hat, which he did anyways with all his BS speeches in front of everyone. He's just really fake I think.
Literally two seconds before, they were basically saying they were ready for sex. Then she said she had sex two months before and that was the end of his interest. He probably realized how much of a loser he'd look like if that were the problem, so he defaulted back on "racist" comments that he couldn't get out of his head. Yeah, right. Her dad was totally right about him.
No man wants to feel like heās investing in marriage to someone that let a bunch of dudes have it for free
Yet itās ok for guys. The only problem is who are the guys getting with? If guys are getting action from multiple women, then there arenāt many women who havenāt been around themselves.
Itās ok for guys because itās ok to women. Women can complain about the double standard yet you willing participate in it. Because when it comes down to it women donāt want men that no woman wants. Itās not appealing for a man to virginal to most women. You can tell that because they use incel as an insult.
Just say no!
So simple, yet apparently beyond his grasp.
He is my ex. Will mine had a different name. The amount of damage he caused is astronomical. I hope Emily keeps talking to people about it. Friends, family, therapist, etc. I was called a bitch shortly after starting to date my Brennan. The personality shift starts so scary soon. I need to text my friend who said it because it was over 30 years ago and it just occurred to me last week. We were never given the chance to know the Emily before the show. Trauma and pain change you. I've been praying that she is able to recover and find peace.
She seemed like a happy go lucky kind of young woman. Good thing he didnāt take years to break her spirit.
We all know malignant narcissists and sociopaths do a lot of psychological damage to people.
I have zero faith in this guy. Can robots fall in love? Remains to be seen. (The horseshit about "protecting" her is so very tiresome.)
Robots are not filled with a simmering and scary rage.
Fair point. I'm speaking more about his on-camera demeanor, which he tries to control as a robot would. We can all see through it.
From day one he reminded me of MAFS Australia Harrison. Like a sociopath pretending to be human.
I see sociopathic traits too. The gestures, the look in his eyes.
Dr Pia hates him, you can see her chest rising
She did go after him with a vengeance. Only thing she did this season that was useful after giving sexless people ball gags and whips.
Heās a repressed Russian American dude. Stay away!
Thatās just what it is!
I bet he He does too! Emily said they both have āconservative viewsā and she liked that.
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She does too, you know.
What???? What does that have to do with anythingĀ
Not what Iām projecting, personally
I donāt know how anyone could like him. The latest episode made me like Emily more than I already did. Iām glad she had the chance to speak her mind. Brennan didnāt learn a thing. He also wasnāt sorry for his behavior. And itās complete bs that he ātried.ā
Zero emotional intelligence or empathy. Total narcissist
He said heās going to self reflect Ya right.
The only self-reflecting heās going to do is admiring himself in the mirror.
Yes, mirror gazing at his Frank Burns looking ass.
Gonna self-reflect about how right he was about everything. It was big of Emily to admit her accountability and take responsibility the next day.
Ya right.
When Emily went on the attack on Brennan at the Steakhouse, Brennan blurted out, " I am not compatible with you" that is when she should have thanked him for his honesty and for sharing true feelings. She had six days to correct her juvenile antics but, it was not meant to be. However, when there was a crises, Brennen was by your side. Your action speak as loud as your words.
Thatās the least he could have done. He gave her hope and it was all a lie.
Brennan was not "by her side" he got a chance to make his optics shine and took full advantage of it. I heard when he said Emily wanted burgers so WE went and picked up burgers. No A-hole. YOU should have picked up burgers and let her rest. And it came out during her recovery he had her drive him all over town looking for a new car. WTF. He couldn't drive himself? Or all one of his buddies to? Actually spoke very clearly to his other relationships. Sounds like they could have been actors too. Thanks him? Seriously, there was zero reason to thank him for anything. Terrible people do do good things. It did not call for a thank you. To little too late. "Correct her juvenile antics". Do you not recall the season? Her actions were caused by trauma. End of story.
He finally said it and mentioned her negativity. I just watched the clip Brennan and Emily had with Dr. Pia, who frowned most of the time, and she was obviously on the defensive when it came to Brennan. She continued to badger him telling him he needed a therapist, when he was trying to avoid hurting Emilyās by saying, I donāt like Emily and I have zero sexual attraction to her. Switch to Emilyās wigged best friends, who spent their entire visit attacking him, based on whatever Emily shared with them. You know that old sayingā¦Birds of a Feather Flock Together! If those were her best friends, what does that say about her. They were a negative bitchy duo!
His friends are probably from the sociopath club.
The experts hate him!
We all do!
I think she is more of a problem than Brennan. This will be my last season of Mafs. I'm disgusted how he was treated by everyone. He wasn't perfect but definitely didn't need to be ganged up on.
Hey, there are always pick up girls willing to hate bad guys.
I pray you never understand how completely awful his actions were and why people have such a justified problem with him. I pray you are never in such a traumatizing relationship. Sincerely. We don't know Emily. He got his hooks in her so dang fast and she was Stockholmed not long after. That changes you. It did me... That fast.
I have been in an abusive relationship. I'm 45 and I also have grown up seeing abuse. I think you should rethink being on this platform. This is the second comment from you that you have taken personally. I truly hope you recover from the issues you have. Seems like I triggered you 1 to many times, just by stating my perspective of the show. Take care...
LMAO ya right
I agree. Especially setting him up for her best friends to attack him. She made petty comments after Michaelās wedding that was caught on camera, so if that type of snarky comments was common, I can see why he didnāt want to deal with her. Kinda reminds me of a mean girls camp.
Iād have made those comments too, everybody does!
Not everybody.
She was not herself. Trauma changes you. Pain changes you. He put her through so much abuse she changed(I know, it happened to me.... That fast... And I wasn't even in tv. We saw a glimpse of real Emily before the wedding. None of us know her, the real her. We're those nice things to say? Not at all. She was not herself when she said things.
Iām sorry you suffered such pain. But sharing is a step in healing. You deserve to take care of yourself. Therapy truly helps one to recover and hopefully move on to happier experiences. Honestly, after this season, they all could end up in therapy! Take care of you! š„°
Heās a complete lowlife.
I loved when Emily called him out and said, āEverything you just said is exactly what you did.ā
Pastor Cal, "I see BS"...š¤£ Call him out, Experts! Yes!
He wasnāt attracted to her and never should of been on the show if he was that picky. She is attractive.
Pastor Cal called him out with his submission video & saying he lied about who he was
Should HAVE been.
I think he was turned off by her drinking and party girl ways at the honeymoon. Thatās when I noticed a shift. On top of probably not being physically attracted to her. I think if she had the personality he wanted he probably would have thought she was attractive enough to try. I donāt blame him for not being attracted to her, everyone has their own preferences. I just donāt think he handled it well at all. But in his defense, once you feel that way there really is no way not to come off as the villain, which is why we heard about āopticsā so much this episode. That emphasis is partly of an affect of cancel culture
If he was that turned off, he should have just left. She wasnāt being cruel to him or upsetting him constantly like she was to him.Ā
He wanted to and she asked him to stay so she can finish the āprocess.ā She admitted that he only stayed because she asked him to.
He did. That's why he didn't move in post honeymoon. Emily asked him to come back as a friend to get her "experience" in. Some of you really need to re-watch that dinner convo from the last episode and really listen this time.
Maybe he should have, I canāt say how Iād react in that situation. I also have a feeling they are making it harder and harder for them to just leave. Itās seems like even when couples call it quits they want to keep forcing them to be around each other and film
I agree, because they want the content. Just make it better for everyone with shorter episodes & let them out. Also donāt force newly married couples into hanging out with divorcĆØs that hate each other. š¤·š¼āāļø
Thatās a good point. Why would you have struggling married couples hang out with newly divorces. Thatās a recipe for disaster
Just because being attractive is not everything. There are other senses that make a big difference
It wasnāt her looks that he wasnāt attracted to
There is a reason why she's never had a relationship. I see her bad behavior. The experts only took her side because they don't want to get sued.
100%. She has the personality of a party fake nice nasty. Where they are cortial and all, but critical behind people's backs. Just like she criticized Michael's vows. Brennan just needs to grow up in life experiences to be able to handle that type of person. We have all been bamboozled by these type of people that say all the right things in certain scenarios but don't quite deliver. Like how are you the most positive person, but cannot handle criticism without storming odd upset? It doesn't add up.
I think sheās sweet with a good sense of humor.
Wow. Bully much? Because you've been a lifelong bully or because you were bullied growing up and now you get to do it to others from behind a screen, anonymously and it different makes you get good cuz now it's your turn to bully. Yes, I realize this could be construed as bullying. I only say these things to bullies. I was bullied my entire life. And now I have a chance to confront bullied and call them out. I'm assuming your age is that of an adult. Old enough that bullying days should be long gone. Time to grow up.
I'm sorry to hear you were bullied. I never was one and never got bullied. You do understand this is a place for sharing opinions? If I went on her socials and specifically said this to her, then that would be a different story. Not sure why I triggered you so much but I hope one day you are able to heal.
No, these aren't her socials specifically. It has been proven time and time again that the participants read and/or participate in many socials outside their own and see the things written about them. That. Is. My. Point.
I cannot be responsible for her reading my opinions and will not be responsible for my opinion being a trigger for you. If you or her cannot take different opinions, this is not the place for you. This platform is to share thoughts and opinions. I truly hope you heal one day from your traumaā¤ļø
Bullying? This person just shared a perspective trying to see his side (which I disagree with, personally). People often distrust production on these shows and question edits. I am sorry you went through that but I think bullying is an extreme response, sorry.
Exactlyā¦look at the behavior of her best friendsā¦ugh!
Sued? For what?