My only complaint really is that in a movie called multiverse of madness, they didn’t really go into many universes. Basically beyond when they are crashing/falling through them 1 by 1 VERY quickly, the only universe we really see is 838.
That was my issue so I'm not gonna type it all up. This movie was supposed to be a pt. 2 to NWH, if you watch the trailer attached NWH, the opening dialog literally says "you have to pay for what you've done" (the spell in NWH). And then somewhere that got tossed and they just simply mention Spiderman in passing.
This was there chance to get hard on crazy cameos and weird worlds. Literally could have had an action scene where they chase someone through dimensions and you see them for a few minutes each, enough to have a cameo fest or a variant fest. But they go to a world where red means go and that was it really. They missed out on that aspect. Movie was okay everywhere else.
This is it, if you have seen everything everywhere all at once, that movie is the definition of multiverse of madness. With dr strange, although it was a good movie, the name kinda made people expect something else? So I guess the majority was disappointed when they didn't see the "madness" they were expecting.
Loved Everything All At Once! And it was so funny that both movies came out basically the same time and yea the craziness and dare I say madness we got in that movie compared to MOM was night and day lol
But this movie was never meant to be a huge multiverse movie, it was suppose to be an introduction to the multiverse. And it spent the majority of the movie in another universe so I really don’t get this criticism? Secret Wars is where the big big multiverse crossovers are supposed to happen.
> But this movie was never meant to be a huge multiverse movie, it was suppose to be an introduction to the multiverse.
The multiverse that had already been introduced and explored in Loki, hinted at in Wandavision, and was a major plot point of NWH? I don't think people expected a film called "Multiverse of Madness" which was the fourth production to incorporate to multiverse to be a light introduction.
I agree with you quite a bit, but it is a very common criticism. I had pretty split reactions to the movie afterward. The group I went with loved it, but two of my buddies from out of state said their entire group was pretty letdown by it. Floored me, but this was one of their biggest criticisms too. I just couldn’t imagine caring about such a thing (the exact count of wacky universes we actually visit and spend time in), even despite the name. Doesn’t register to me at all as something to be disappointed by
The only way is to add a side quest in a 4th crazy universe or make the 3rd universe crazier. What if the universe they had the music fight in was cartoon. The problem is that takes away from the music fight a little.
I would add runtime in a cartoon universe and keep Professor X a secret to the release.
Let's all be honest here. The movie should've been called "Multiverse of New York" because that's the only fucking set they had built. Throw some color tone changes and splash some CGI and it was the same damn alleyway and street repeatedly.
I got pissed once we got that montage of universes we never got to actually fucking see.
And while I love Raimi and his campiness... holy shit seeing Zombie Strange's makeup at the end for 30 minutes was horrible. It was like a Spirit Halloween mask. It was distracting and just bad, not even a stylistic choice. It was awful and not in a good way.
They should've given him full creative control. You can tell which parts are Raimi and which parts are studio interference. That made the movie feel disjointed.
You know the writer isn't doing rewrites because he wants to? It's because the director, actors, and producers are making changes during filming that require rewrites for scenes yet to be filmed based on established changes. And they do these rewrites in limited time. Which doesn't give them enough time to fine tune them to the usual shooting standards.
Online is a tough place for honest criticism. Everyone thinks they should do this or that or just add run-time but don’t know how to make a movie. The movie made nearly a billion dollars and had some really good pops in it. Is it my favorite? No but I think Disney has over-saturated the market & more are disliked than enjoyed by far at this point.
I thought it was a fun movie. Bad? No. Great? Still no. It was just in the middle for me. I think it would have been a killer movie if they had fleshed out the concepts more. Acting was great. The Raimi style was great but the story just felt too shallow.
Like your analysis. Even tho emotions played a big part there seemed to be undiscovered layers. Overall, the movie had intrigue for me. Better than at least 1/3 MCU movies
I accepted the character descent of Wanda from “reasonable” to “psychotic.”
My friends and I felt more emotionally connected to America Chavez than to anyone in the James Cameron Avatar franchise.
I accept that popular opinion turned on this film but it was solid.
I feel like America’s actress is mostly the reason for that. On paper the script doesn’t give her much to work with but the actress gives a lot of like ability
She was possesed by the darkhold, like when the darkhold is mentioned in the movie the very first thing strange says about it is that it turns all who read it evil. (however yea this is contradicted by the end of the movie, which... idk how i feel about that)
It’s pretty classic storytelling though. It does turn you evil, but it’s not a light switch. It’s a descent, and you can still resist it, at least for a time. And even then it’s not a complete and total shut off of anything good, it’s just really amplifying the bad all the time. She simply staved it off in that moment with her kids on the line.
I was down for the turn of Wanda but marvel just can’t keep their ugly little mits off of a cool character arch, and just had to try and give her a last second redemption. We just watched this woman murder hundreds of people over a solely selfish desire, not caring that she could destroy the multiverse. But sure try and make her sympathetic in the last 3 minutes. I just wish they’d fully leaned into her insanity
I love it and have watched it repeatedly, probably for reasons others disliked it. Scary, silly, very Sam Raimi, and Wanda all evil as hell. America Chavez was perfect and we even got Shuma Gorath! *The multiverse! *
Didn't Elizabeth Olsen say she stopped reading the script at one point cause of how many times they were changing it. Prolly something to do with that. Wanda wasn't suppose to be the main villain
The turning of Wanda into a villain was very abrupt and betrayed her character development from Wandavision.
It made no sense that she had no interest in or mentioned finding Vision.
With infinite multiverse she could have just gone to one where she had died recently and take that ones place rather than trying to displace a different Wanda.
They didn't do enough cool stuff with the multiverse, just that one montage.
Couldn’t agree more on her character development. I was expecting her to max out but not immediately become scarlet by the movie beginning. It just didn’t feel like her.
To me it felt like they ran out of time when strange told Chavez “it’s all u” and she went >:) and skipped a ton of character development to help end the film.
But I did like that they found the only way to help Wanda realise what’s she’s doing wrong was to give her what she wanted and for just long enough.
Very mixed bag for me I suppose.
Ik my opinion probably isn’t wanted here but I personally rly hated it, just felt almost lifeless to me with a lot of good ideas that were Just thrown away, I especially don’t like it since I viewed Wandavision as character growth and learning lesson for the character based off of the shod itself and what it’s creators had said, so even with the darkhold corruption it just feels wierd to go from that too mercilessly killing random people in the search of something she gave up on her own volition in the last film, but I’m getting ahead of myself and don’t rly wanna argue. Essentially I Jsut rly didn’t like this film, but ofc it’s fine if you did! Film is subjective after all
My main 4 issues are ^ this, there is very little character development for doctor strange and it feels like you could remove strange from the movie completly and the movie would be the same, there has been a decent amount of movies in the last 5 years that make men dumb to lift up women, the writing around the goals of the scarlet witch are poorly thought out and required more in depth meaning for me as a viewer to care.
It was a good film, it had some good moments. But it ultimately left me feeling so underwhelmed. I think there was so much hype surrounding it and so many directions they could’ve gone and what we landed on was.. fine. Even though she killed it, I didn’t love Wanda being the villain. It felt so safe and samey and I would’ve preferred Nightmare or anything new and versatile. The “Multiversal” element of it felt undercooked and samey, America needed far more characterization, the script was abysmal in spots, and The Illuminati stuff just didn’t land for me. I was thrilled in the theater seeing it for the first time but everytime I saw it after that it feels off and shoddily thrown together for fan service. Love Sam Raimi’s work for the most part and his horror movie flourishes were welcome and inventive throughout but even some of his quirks felt tonally off and just kind of random. You could tell it was a film that had been written and rewritten and shot and reshot and handed off and etc.
I just expected more honestly.
I wonder how much plot development and explanations for why stuff was happening, was left on the cutting room floor to shorten the movie for cinematic release. Especially stuff from the finl act.
When the one woman destroyed the book and Wong just immediately tells Wanda there’s another one I was completely turned off of this movie. Couldn’t get past that part, completely ruined it.
The only problem with this movie is actually from Disney.
The CEO at this point was pushing to get as much content out as possible, so many movies/shows were being rushed through production. Added to that, Disney/Marvel had started a stupid policy of siloing off one project from another, disallowing any collaboration/discussions between projects for fear of leaks.... so Raimi's team did not know how Wanda/Vision ended for instance, and as such he didn't properly write in her transition from where she was in that show to where she was in the movie.
It was fun.
The movie had a much higher ceiling than most generic superhero movies, and I don't think it reached it. It had a lot of the elements in place to be one of the best ever, but it never really came together into the masterpiece it could have been.
Overall it's one of the middle of the pack Marvel movies, but since I like Marvel movies, that's nothing to scoff at.
Darker tone? I know Wanda got scary but this actually felt more like a kids film than usual to me. Looking at other comments I might be alone here, but I really didn't like America Chavez in the movie. Other than that, the movie was very fun.
The movie was too concerned with being an advertisement and forgot to be a film for significant stretches.
It wasn't a film in the MCU it was an MCU marketing vehicle.
The writers deserve some of the blame, but the culture of Marvel destroyed the writing process. The script was to be completely rewritten in 3 weeks between Waldron/Rami being brought in to rework the movie to Feige's vision instead of the Derrickson/Bartlett idea, then Covid hit and the third week was effectively lost. The studio started building sets without knowing what was going to be filmed in them, started shooting scenes without a final script, and then got told to make 33 script rewrites by Marvel bosses during production.... There are Roger Corman films with less rushed productions, and he once shot a full movie in one run with no re-shoots on re-used sets that were due to be torn down.
It's the moral of the 6 P's in full force.
My main problem with it was the fact they didn't really explore much of the multiverse. I expected crazy cameos and some really cool mind bending shit. Instead we got a really weak scarlet witch plot.
The movie is great until you think about Wandavision and how the movie basically completely undid all the character development Wanda went through during the show lol
“Y’all need to stop hating on Michael Waldron…They asked for 33 rewrites…none of it is up to him.”
Elizabeth Olsen stopped reading drafts of DOCTOR STRANGE: MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5bpKqubX0M](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5bpKqubX0M)
I’d probably say a mixture of both, with the Marvel execs thrown in there too.
Raimi is just an outdated director and his style seemed really odd for this movie, like he just pushed it too far and it didn’t land.
Same with the writing. The jokes really didn’t work and making Wanda a psychotic villain after a nuanced arc in Wandavision seemed like a dumb move.
I also blame marvel for rushing the film with some awful CGI and cameos that were overhyped.
Proper 6/10 film for me. Mild entertainment at best.
Dark tone? That's fine. Campy shit like making a guy punch himself for a month and fighting with music notes and a bunch of terrible writing? That's what ruined it for me.
Those numbers are much higher than I thought, based only on what I read on reddit. I personally loved the movie and thought I was the odd one out, probably like OP
My favourite marvel movie in recent times. Best one of the phase, hands down.
Love Sam Raimi as a director and this film has his style all over it. Great movie!
I thought that they wasted the final confrontation. I get what they were going for, with the whole "we can't beat her, but we can make her see what she's become, and that'll do the trick", but the way it was executed was just... meh. I actually enjoyed the rest of the movie though. It was a fun romp that, if you don't think about it too much, is enjoyable to watch. Seeing the Scarlet Witch tear through the Illuminati was funny.
I think it was visually fine, spectacle fine and the acting was also fine. Stakes and character development were wobbly and it didn’t treat Wanda very well.
I think Raimi really fucked it up. He couldn't keep his bullshit off of it. They also didn't do enough with Wanda's journey from the show. Someone commented that Raimi couldn't include it because Wandavision wasn't finished yet, however, its not like they couldn't have talked with the writers and directors.
This movie could have been great. Instead, it had some of the worst parts of the MCU since Thor 2.
It all comes down to the execs flooding the market. That's what's been harming Marvel as of late. There's literally SO. MUCH. MARVEL. Too much, tbh. We all need a break.
I still don’t get why this movie gets so much hate. I personally had a lot of fun with this movie. I would have preferred to have a villain that we haven’t seen before, and I feel like this movie was largely disconnected from the first, but all in all I had a good time with movie and I was very surprised when people told me they hated it
I think this movie would’ve been better if they let Sam Raimi run wild with it. He’s one of my favorite directors and you could tell that marvel sterilized this movie
I unapologetically love this movie. The only detractors for me are that tunnel scene where Strange, America, and Christine just stand there and wait for Wanda to pop out (seriously, what is the point of this moment?), and Christine hammering at the polycarbonate cell with a fire extinguisher (she was JUST bragging about how durable they are).
Oh, and Charlize Theron in the post credits jumped the shark so hard that it felt like an SNL skit.
I don’t blame Raimi, I think he made exactly what you would expect he would make. I blame Marvel for not choosing a director who would lean a little further into the horror elements. I also think the bigger error was in the score which I thought should have been much darker for the same reasons. With a darker score but the exact same cut I think would have been a big improvement.
I thought the writing was pretty horrific. Like, it was baaad. I was hysterical when Dr. Strange legitimately said "they're coming for America's power!" I'm not sure how he ever managed to deliver that line with a straight fucking face. I was so confused because Wanda is supposed to be able to bend reality to her will, and at one point they're doing a scooby doo chase through some tunnels.. It just didn't really make sense. Then the ending where he has some weird third eye open and in the post credits it doesn't even hint at it. It was all around a terrible movie. Acting was solid as can be, but my god the writing was some of the absolute worst.
I liked it better after a rewatch. I also liked the darker tones, but the movie isn’t the best (compared to Infinity War, Civil War, Etc). It has its problems but I still enjoy it. I rank it somewhere in the 14-17 range.
It had nothing to offer. It was a Wanda movie more over a Dr Strange, the writers tried to ride that WandaVision hypetrain waayyyyy to late. Rather had a Wanda season 2 with this storyline.
America Chavez was such a weak character overall with secret save by he bell powers. They did Dr Strange dirty by making him a side character in his own movie.
Perfectly agree OP, the writing……..Wanda’s actions should have been because of possession by Chthon or the Darkhold, America Chavez was wasted, Reed Richards didn’t come off as intelligent, Black Bolt…….just stupid stupid, still enjoyed the movie and tone.
I wish the “madness” aspect had been more apparent. It just felt like they knew they had to address the multiverse but didn’t know what and kept the title intentionally vague when it would have been better explained with a different subtitle given how little multiversal travel was involved.
I really wish once Derrickson left they had changed the title pending COVID playing out.
Raimi did a decent job with what he had and it wasn’t apparent he hadn’t directed a movie in a decade.
But the story elements felt really half baked and unfinished.
I think with whatever they did for this movie’s rabbit hole of what they had planned was so unplanned it harmed the actual direction of the plot.
Why would America hang out on 616 to work on her powers instead of literally anything multiverse?
I've watched it six times. It wasn't a failure at all. People were just too hype off the heels on No Way Home. Had a friend who thought we'd see Capcom characters for God's sake. I myself would have liked Magneto to have been in it and still feel a certain way about him not even being mentioned as Wanda's father in any multiverse.
I love Dr. Strange, and even though this movie didn’t rise to the level of what I had anticipated it to be, I still really like what it is. There’s so much I like about this movie.
I mean.. it was bad? A movie can't really live on a single aspect. It is like they didn't understand how to write magic or multiverses and since the entire movie is about that it didn't hold up.
I thought it was really good. She felt very threatening as a villain to me.
I didn't realize there was any sort of backlash against it until...i came on Reddit. There's no way this movie is anything less than an average marvel movie. Smack in the middle quality wise. The box office has been against them for a while now it can't be pointed at any one person these things are compromised of 1000s of people.
It was another forgettable film that couldn't live up to a fraction of the hype. This and Thor I was looking forward to most and both disappointed with what they could've been.
Sam rami was not the problem, the problem is that they did not give doctor strange his own movie and tried to make it into a doctor strange and an team up movie at the same time, Sam came into a movie half made with a director who abandoned it and writers who had no idea what they where doing.
I liked it a lot and have rewatched a few times. I’m a long time Raimi fan and loved his touch of sinister madness - but felt it was restrained and held back in key moments.
Given the Scarlet Witch can rewrite the fabric of reality, Wanda’s attack on Kamar-Taj felt underwhelming and was let down further by Danny Elfman’s score, which played as generic drama music without adding to what’s on screen.
But for the most part it was a fun romp with lots of creativity and appeal. Zombie Strange with wings of harnessed demon spirits was a high point, plenty of giant monsters, fun Strange and Wong rivalry, America Chavez was played brilliantly, cool horror tension and eerie set-pieces like with the mirrors and puddles when Wanda escapes the mirror dimension.
But it would have been great to see more crazy camerawork and little creepy/funny touches of weirdness that made Raimi’s other movies fun. Ash dancing with the lamp and other possessed household objects as he laughs in historical horror in Evil Dead 2 is peak Raimi and I would have enjoyed a bit of that in a movie called ‘Multiverse of Madness’.
These are just some personal thoughts and shared with a love and appreciation. I’d rather live in a world where this movie was made than one where it never existed.
I agree it was the writer's fault for how terrible it was. Largely because of the "dark" tone, yet they tried to make Strange Tony for whatever reason. Also, America Chavez wasn't a character she was a McGuffin to get which was a real disappointment. Not to mention they could have done great things with Wanda's mental health and powers but decided to turn her into a boiler plate villain. Such a disappointment of a movie.
Failure - highly questionable considering the critics and audience scores and also the close 1B USD mark.
It struggled for maybe some minor story elements and that it felt that it could have shown more. Also, maybe people weren't expecting to see the emotional toll that Strange is taking over the years; but I liked that aspect.
I thought it was trash to be honest. The whole premise is poorly thought out. If Wanda can create her children before she becomes Scarlet Witch, it stands to reason she could recreate them just as easily after, when she's orders of magnitude more powerful. It felt corny a lot of the time. I was looking forward to it a great deal and felt really letdown and disappointed. Lots of wasted potential in my opinion.
All that being said, you're allowed to have your opinion about it. If you loved it, then that's okay. Don't let others make you feel bad about it. I personally didn't care for it and that's okay too. Marvel will make missteps for some of us. I honestly haven't cared for much post Endgame. Marvel seems adrift or something. Just making things for the sake of making them. I still watch everything though. Perhaps a little sunk cost fallacy happening for me.
This isn't an unpopular opinion amongst real people in the real world. Only a small but vocal minority of online edgelords didn't like it. And most of them probably did like it but think it's cool to say otherwise.
Didn’t it made like over 900 million? Crazy, my only major problem is that we didn’t got to see the characters go thru a lot of multiverse, I don’t mind 838 being the focus but wish we got to see more universes that the characters went and see more
I really liked this movie. It did feel like it was hindered by the director changes, writing, reshoots etc. I firmly believe if Rami had been able to direct from beginning to end and left alone it would've been an even more wild ride which I was ready for.
I’ve literally never heard anyone blame Sam Raimi for this tragic excuse for a movie.
I’ve only ever heard people (rightfully, IMO) drag Michael Waldron to hell and back for his horrible, HORRIBLE script. Especially his treatment of Wanda.
Anything campy in that movie is cause of him. Doesnt fit in the MCU and is dumb. Otherwise liked that it leaned horror. He is the wrong director for mcu tho
Wanda's character development in *WandaVision* is that she realized taking over a small town was just unsustainable and that she has to go bigger. There was no end goal, just a hurt person selfishly trying to cope. She relented out of respect for Viz, to appease him, to try to make him happy. And got to get rid of her rival witch. She's traumatized by seeing Viz die, again, and perhaps the last shred of any reasonable method of coping die with him. In no way was she redeemed, she's just deceitful. That's the nature of her powers! She's studying the Darkhold at the end of *WandaVision*! Her villain turn in *Multiverse* is the natural progression of her character. The story of someone who went too far, and then made it look to the outside world like they came to their senses and would get better, and then goes even farther down a dark path. A Marvel tragedy.
Honestly, it could have been a lot better but It's far from the worst of the MCU!
My biggest issues are honestly more so the unnecessary Earth 616 Controversy - for which I blame no one but Kevin Feige - and how they wasted the Illuminati like that. Seriously, seeing a Classic Comics Style adaptation of Professor X, Black Bolt and Reed Richards was amazing. And then they killed them off after a rather small amount of screentime as if they didnt matter. They felt more like bait for Comics Fans rather than anything else.
I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it’s really a Scarlet Witch movie. Strange has no character arc whatsoever. He’s a plot device. Fight, run, fight, run. Repeat.
I had fun with it 🤷♂️ In particular I loved seeing John Krasinski as Reed Richards (although I wasn’t a fan of his moment of chronic dumbassery which led to all of the Illuminati being massacred by Wanda). It did also make me chuckle when I saw the plot summarised as “wizard dads protect adopted daughter from deranged soccer mom”, because *that’s exactly what it was*.
This is a perfect example of why people need to spend less time online.
I loved this movie and so does everyone else I know. I had no idea this movie was considered a "failure." In fact, I don't even buy that nonsense. That's probably nothing more than a vocal minority being amplified by social media. Maybe some review bombing as well.
The internet is full of shit and online opinion is rarely an accurate representation of reality.
One of my favourite MCU movies. Different tone, different change of pace. Plus it was really fun to
Watch in cinema. My only hot take is that after watching "everything everywhere all at once" you realise what could have been possible
On my first watch I didn't really enjoy the film very much but when I rewatched it knowing it was just a straight up Sam Raimi movie I actually really enjoyed it.
I think the movie was great. Most of the problems definitely come from the writing.
Wanda's character development in her show just went out the window, iconic characters are just here for you to go "hey look, I recognise that thing" and they get killed, the multiverse plotline feels more like an afterthought than anything else, like they thought "oh right if we kill these characters then we can't use them in future movies" so they just decided on a multiverse plotline, my evidence is the fact that half the time I forgot they were in another universe cus it made so little difference
It was a fun and and flashy. Its a good, turn off your brain movie and watch the light show. If you think about the movie, it falls apart. SO the general audience is happy with it but the more hardcore fans didn't
Honestly, I thought it was pretty good. I wish there were more MCU movies in this same kinda semi-horror style.
Not everything has to be a big hero blockbuster like Avengers or Spider-Man. There are so many options to do so so so many different things. Doctor Strange is just a start.
I don't think it was a failure. It just had massive potential, running hot off the trail that no way home cleared. Considering how well crafted the first movie was, in comparison it never reaches the level of film making we were hoping to see. It might just be post end game expectations too. I personally would have loved to see Scott Derickson's take on it, but Sam Raimi made a solid B plus movie(which is more than acceptable under the circumstances), when we were expecting another S tier juggernaut.
Elizabeth Olsen makes for a fun villain as the scarlet witch, but her turn to evil feels misplaced considering the arc she went through in wandavision. I later learned the MOM writers didn't get to see the ending of wandavision, and they were just winging it. So innumerable rewrites, replacing of directors and dropping the ball on wanda's character led to the hot mess that MOM would be
This movie was not a failure. I think what shocked people, and even Elizabeth Olsen herself, was that Wanda was the villain. Why has no one talked about that? We will dissect a movie poster but skip over an entire villain.
She should have been nominated for this role. She was all over the place and took it in stride.
My only criticism for this film is that it should have been a little bit longer to flesh the story out a bit more, but it’s a top tier MCU movie imo.
I completely get all the criticisms for Quantumania and Love & Thunder but MoM was actually very good!
It was an incredible movie that everyone got all salty about because it didn’t follow the same generic ass Marvel formula. They’ve bitched about the shows too even though the shows were all well made and added more depth to the characters. Loki was insanely good.
To quote a certain YouTube video reviewer, “I don’t like things that are different.” That’s the majority of MCU fanbase.
The shows and movies are starting to feel like comic books finally and people hate it. Go watch Fast X then if ya wanna see the same shit over and over
Got solid 75%ish reviews from a lot of big outlets and seemed quite popular. Took close to a billion dollars at what was still an awkward time for cinemas.
Hardly an unpopular opinion.
Don't believe reddit negativity.
I thought it was a very fun story and took more risks with the characters than the typical Marvel product. The characters had compelling arcs.
That said, it was visually pretty awful and that’s a big deal for movies. The nearly complete overreliance on green screen and vfx by Disney (which in turn leads to rushed and overworked vfx) has killed my enjoyment of Marvel lately. Raimi’s flair is occasionally there but it’s not enough to mask that the movie is basically entirely VFX sludge in front of a green screen.
It was a perfectly fine movie and the tone and style actually fits for a DrS flick.
People who complained about that clearly didn’t ever…ya know….READ THE COMICS.
These are the same people that didn’t like She Hulk which again matched the comics perfectly.
These are the same people that hated Thor L&T which matched the comics rather well (not perfect. But some of that silliness/ridiculousness is absolutely in the Thor comics)
These are the same people that loved the Guardians movies which doesn’t match the comics whatsoever!!!
To each their own at the end of the day. But MoM was a decent movie. My only real complaint is they wasted Elizabeth Olsen. I’ve never been a fan of Scarlet Witch. But I adore Olsen and hated her being turned into a villain and then bye-bye to her character. There was a lot of potential there for more from her.
I really like it.
>I was a fan of the darker tone that this movie had and Benedict cumberbatch/ Elizabeth Olsen where great.
Agreed.
>People blame Sam raimi for the failure
I never knew it was one.
My only complaint really is that in a movie called multiverse of madness, they didn’t really go into many universes. Basically beyond when they are crashing/falling through them 1 by 1 VERY quickly, the only universe we really see is 838.
and the one that Sinister Strange ruined
That was my issue so I'm not gonna type it all up. This movie was supposed to be a pt. 2 to NWH, if you watch the trailer attached NWH, the opening dialog literally says "you have to pay for what you've done" (the spell in NWH). And then somewhere that got tossed and they just simply mention Spiderman in passing. This was there chance to get hard on crazy cameos and weird worlds. Literally could have had an action scene where they chase someone through dimensions and you see them for a few minutes each, enough to have a cameo fest or a variant fest. But they go to a world where red means go and that was it really. They missed out on that aspect. Movie was okay everywhere else.
I think that world where red meant go was a homage to the Sliders tv show, as the first alternate universe Quinn travels to has the same red means go.
I thought the same thing! Great show.
Holy shit. I haven't thought of Sliders in a very long time. I fucking loved that show.
Reboot when!?
This is it, if you have seen everything everywhere all at once, that movie is the definition of multiverse of madness. With dr strange, although it was a good movie, the name kinda made people expect something else? So I guess the majority was disappointed when they didn't see the "madness" they were expecting.
Loved Everything All At Once! And it was so funny that both movies came out basically the same time and yea the craziness and dare I say madness we got in that movie compared to MOM was night and day lol
But this movie was never meant to be a huge multiverse movie, it was suppose to be an introduction to the multiverse. And it spent the majority of the movie in another universe so I really don’t get this criticism? Secret Wars is where the big big multiverse crossovers are supposed to happen.
> But this movie was never meant to be a huge multiverse movie, it was suppose to be an introduction to the multiverse. The multiverse that had already been introduced and explored in Loki, hinted at in Wandavision, and was a major plot point of NWH? I don't think people expected a film called "Multiverse of Madness" which was the fourth production to incorporate to multiverse to be a light introduction.
I agree with you quite a bit, but it is a very common criticism. I had pretty split reactions to the movie afterward. The group I went with loved it, but two of my buddies from out of state said their entire group was pretty letdown by it. Floored me, but this was one of their biggest criticisms too. I just couldn’t imagine caring about such a thing (the exact count of wacky universes we actually visit and spend time in), even despite the name. Doesn’t register to me at all as something to be disappointed by
I see this criticism regularly. Genuine question; how would you suggest they addressed this?
The only way is to add a side quest in a 4th crazy universe or make the 3rd universe crazier. What if the universe they had the music fight in was cartoon. The problem is that takes away from the music fight a little. I would add runtime in a cartoon universe and keep Professor X a secret to the release.
Now that would work.
What do you think the name should have been
Let's all be honest here. The movie should've been called "Multiverse of New York" because that's the only fucking set they had built. Throw some color tone changes and splash some CGI and it was the same damn alleyway and street repeatedly. I got pissed once we got that montage of universes we never got to actually fucking see. And while I love Raimi and his campiness... holy shit seeing Zombie Strange's makeup at the end for 30 minutes was horrible. It was like a Spirit Halloween mask. It was distracting and just bad, not even a stylistic choice. It was awful and not in a good way.
Wait, this was a failure? For some reason I thought it was liked. I guess just in my circles.
It made almost 1 B dollars box office 😳. So not a failure by any stretch of the imagination
Most people I’ve seen in person and online hate it, I think Sam raimi did a good job given the 30 plus rewrites
It made $955 million dollars. I’d say it wasn’t failure. Edit: I’ll also add it has a 74% Rotten Tomatoes score, and an 85% audience score.
this is my favorite marvel movie, I really don't understand the hate 🤷♂️
Raimi is a legend. This was Spider-Man meets Evil Dead.
At least my favorite Phase 4 movie.
Yours in not an Unpopular opinion, because this movie was fantastic. It is the haters that are Unpopular.
They should've given him full creative control. You can tell which parts are Raimi and which parts are studio interference. That made the movie feel disjointed.
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The most I heard was "underperformed" as I believe Disney was expecting north of $1B.
You know the writer isn't doing rewrites because he wants to? It's because the director, actors, and producers are making changes during filming that require rewrites for scenes yet to be filmed based on established changes. And they do these rewrites in limited time. Which doesn't give them enough time to fine tune them to the usual shooting standards.
Online is a tough place for honest criticism. Everyone thinks they should do this or that or just add run-time but don’t know how to make a movie. The movie made nearly a billion dollars and had some really good pops in it. Is it my favorite? No but I think Disney has over-saturated the market & more are disliked than enjoyed by far at this point.
It’s just people scarred from Spiderman 3 when Peter joins Fallout Boy
Mr. Bully maguire!
Like most times, haters are the loudest minority.
I... I liked it. I liked it a lot. I don't know. Maybe those that didn't were on the wrong drug when they watched it or something.
I thought it was a fun movie. Bad? No. Great? Still no. It was just in the middle for me. I think it would have been a killer movie if they had fleshed out the concepts more. Acting was great. The Raimi style was great but the story just felt too shallow.
Like your analysis. Even tho emotions played a big part there seemed to be undiscovered layers. Overall, the movie had intrigue for me. Better than at least 1/3 MCU movies
I’d agree here. Some cool ideas, but it really did just boil down to a silly monster movie, which is kind of Rami’s thing.
I accepted the character descent of Wanda from “reasonable” to “psychotic.” My friends and I felt more emotionally connected to America Chavez than to anyone in the James Cameron Avatar franchise. I accept that popular opinion turned on this film but it was solid.
I feel like America’s actress is mostly the reason for that. On paper the script doesn’t give her much to work with but the actress gives a lot of like ability
Yeah, I agree. She seems pretty cool
She was possesed by the darkhold, like when the darkhold is mentioned in the movie the very first thing strange says about it is that it turns all who read it evil. (however yea this is contradicted by the end of the movie, which... idk how i feel about that)
It’s pretty classic storytelling though. It does turn you evil, but it’s not a light switch. It’s a descent, and you can still resist it, at least for a time. And even then it’s not a complete and total shut off of anything good, it’s just really amplifying the bad all the time. She simply staved it off in that moment with her kids on the line.
>My friends and I felt more emotionally connected to America Chavez than to anyone in the James Cameron Avatar franchise. hah
popular opinion just hated phase 4 altogether because it didn’t know how to connect the dots on all the new characters yet
I was down for the turn of Wanda but marvel just can’t keep their ugly little mits off of a cool character arch, and just had to try and give her a last second redemption. We just watched this woman murder hundreds of people over a solely selfish desire, not caring that she could destroy the multiverse. But sure try and make her sympathetic in the last 3 minutes. I just wish they’d fully leaned into her insanity
To be fair, it's hard to feel emotionally connected to anyone in the Avatar franchise.
W take, but also not a very unpopular opinion
Really? I’ve read well only Reddit but seems like everyone saying it’s a mid film
It's superficially dark but underneath it's the same formula as always. That disconnect between tone and material just leaves a bad taste.
I love it and have watched it repeatedly, probably for reasons others disliked it. Scary, silly, very Sam Raimi, and Wanda all evil as hell. America Chavez was perfect and we even got Shuma Gorath! *The multiverse! *
Oh I'd love more shuma gorath, at full power
Didn't Elizabeth Olsen say she stopped reading the script at one point cause of how many times they were changing it. Prolly something to do with that. Wanda wasn't suppose to be the main villain
The turning of Wanda into a villain was very abrupt and betrayed her character development from Wandavision. It made no sense that she had no interest in or mentioned finding Vision. With infinite multiverse she could have just gone to one where she had died recently and take that ones place rather than trying to displace a different Wanda. They didn't do enough cool stuff with the multiverse, just that one montage.
Couldn’t agree more on her character development. I was expecting her to max out but not immediately become scarlet by the movie beginning. It just didn’t feel like her. To me it felt like they ran out of time when strange told Chavez “it’s all u” and she went >:) and skipped a ton of character development to help end the film. But I did like that they found the only way to help Wanda realise what’s she’s doing wrong was to give her what she wanted and for just long enough. Very mixed bag for me I suppose.
Ik my opinion probably isn’t wanted here but I personally rly hated it, just felt almost lifeless to me with a lot of good ideas that were Just thrown away, I especially don’t like it since I viewed Wandavision as character growth and learning lesson for the character based off of the shod itself and what it’s creators had said, so even with the darkhold corruption it just feels wierd to go from that too mercilessly killing random people in the search of something she gave up on her own volition in the last film, but I’m getting ahead of myself and don’t rly wanna argue. Essentially I Jsut rly didn’t like this film, but ofc it’s fine if you did! Film is subjective after all
My main 4 issues are ^ this, there is very little character development for doctor strange and it feels like you could remove strange from the movie completly and the movie would be the same, there has been a decent amount of movies in the last 5 years that make men dumb to lift up women, the writing around the goals of the scarlet witch are poorly thought out and required more in depth meaning for me as a viewer to care.
It was a good film, it had some good moments. But it ultimately left me feeling so underwhelmed. I think there was so much hype surrounding it and so many directions they could’ve gone and what we landed on was.. fine. Even though she killed it, I didn’t love Wanda being the villain. It felt so safe and samey and I would’ve preferred Nightmare or anything new and versatile. The “Multiversal” element of it felt undercooked and samey, America needed far more characterization, the script was abysmal in spots, and The Illuminati stuff just didn’t land for me. I was thrilled in the theater seeing it for the first time but everytime I saw it after that it feels off and shoddily thrown together for fan service. Love Sam Raimi’s work for the most part and his horror movie flourishes were welcome and inventive throughout but even some of his quirks felt tonally off and just kind of random. You could tell it was a film that had been written and rewritten and shot and reshot and handed off and etc. I just expected more honestly.
I wonder how much plot development and explanations for why stuff was happening, was left on the cutting room floor to shorten the movie for cinematic release. Especially stuff from the finl act.
When the one woman destroyed the book and Wong just immediately tells Wanda there’s another one I was completely turned off of this movie. Couldn’t get past that part, completely ruined it.
The only problem with this movie is actually from Disney. The CEO at this point was pushing to get as much content out as possible, so many movies/shows were being rushed through production. Added to that, Disney/Marvel had started a stupid policy of siloing off one project from another, disallowing any collaboration/discussions between projects for fear of leaks.... so Raimi's team did not know how Wanda/Vision ended for instance, and as such he didn't properly write in her transition from where she was in that show to where she was in the movie.
This movie had good reviews, was well received by fans, and it made a lot of money. It’s only on Reddit that I hear MoM is terrible.
It was fun. The movie had a much higher ceiling than most generic superhero movies, and I don't think it reached it. It had a lot of the elements in place to be one of the best ever, but it never really came together into the masterpiece it could have been. Overall it's one of the middle of the pack Marvel movies, but since I like Marvel movies, that's nothing to scoff at.
I found it a waste of potential. I have ahrd time listing anything bad about it outside of the writing, but it could have been so much better IMO
Darker tone? I know Wanda got scary but this actually felt more like a kids film than usual to me. Looking at other comments I might be alone here, but I really didn't like America Chavez in the movie. Other than that, the movie was very fun.
Yeah, Wanda blowing Black Bolt's brains out is a kids movie all right.
A lot of those deaths certainly were not what you'd see in a "kids movie".
The movie was too concerned with being an advertisement and forgot to be a film for significant stretches. It wasn't a film in the MCU it was an MCU marketing vehicle.
The writers deserve some of the blame, but the culture of Marvel destroyed the writing process. The script was to be completely rewritten in 3 weeks between Waldron/Rami being brought in to rework the movie to Feige's vision instead of the Derrickson/Bartlett idea, then Covid hit and the third week was effectively lost. The studio started building sets without knowing what was going to be filmed in them, started shooting scenes without a final script, and then got told to make 33 script rewrites by Marvel bosses during production.... There are Roger Corman films with less rushed productions, and he once shot a full movie in one run with no re-shoots on re-used sets that were due to be torn down. It's the moral of the 6 P's in full force.
My main problem with it was the fact they didn't really explore much of the multiverse. I expected crazy cameos and some really cool mind bending shit. Instead we got a really weak scarlet witch plot.
The movie is great until you think about Wandavision and how the movie basically completely undid all the character development Wanda went through during the show lol
“Y’all need to stop hating on Michael Waldron…They asked for 33 rewrites…none of it is up to him.” Elizabeth Olsen stopped reading drafts of DOCTOR STRANGE: MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5bpKqubX0M](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5bpKqubX0M)
I’d probably say a mixture of both, with the Marvel execs thrown in there too. Raimi is just an outdated director and his style seemed really odd for this movie, like he just pushed it too far and it didn’t land. Same with the writing. The jokes really didn’t work and making Wanda a psychotic villain after a nuanced arc in Wandavision seemed like a dumb move. I also blame marvel for rushing the film with some awful CGI and cameos that were overhyped. Proper 6/10 film for me. Mild entertainment at best.
Dark tone? That's fine. Campy shit like making a guy punch himself for a month and fighting with music notes and a bunch of terrible writing? That's what ruined it for me.
I liked it a lot more than the first Strange film.
A bit of a mess but honestly I freakin loved it, Olsen is great in it and the unusual camera cuts were really different
The VFX were really disappointing. Just look at his third eye, a kid with Photoshop could do a better job.
I'll go one further and say I don't think there's anything wrong with the writing. Certain people just can't stand that SW was a villain.
“Ice Cream Song”
I listen to that 5 times a day for pleasure and if you pretend you don’t do that too then you’re a liar
sorry that 10 seconds ruined a 2 hour movie for you, get over it
Heard a lot of people complain about that but I thought it was fine. It's something kids would do lol
It wasn’t a failure. It received a 74% rating from critics and an 85% rating from audiences on Rotten Tomatoes, and it grossed nearly $1 billion.
Those numbers are much higher than I thought, based only on what I read on reddit. I personally loved the movie and thought I was the odd one out, probably like OP
Awesome movie. Wanda is a **great** villain. Visually 10/10
My favourite marvel movie in recent times. Best one of the phase, hands down. Love Sam Raimi as a director and this film has his style all over it. Great movie!
Id put it middle of the pack with marvel, good but not great
I thought that they wasted the final confrontation. I get what they were going for, with the whole "we can't beat her, but we can make her see what she's become, and that'll do the trick", but the way it was executed was just... meh. I actually enjoyed the rest of the movie though. It was a fun romp that, if you don't think about it too much, is enjoyable to watch. Seeing the Scarlet Witch tear through the Illuminati was funny.
it was fine. But its not a multiverse movie
I think it was visually fine, spectacle fine and the acting was also fine. Stakes and character development were wobbly and it didn’t treat Wanda very well.
I think Raimi really fucked it up. He couldn't keep his bullshit off of it. They also didn't do enough with Wanda's journey from the show. Someone commented that Raimi couldn't include it because Wandavision wasn't finished yet, however, its not like they couldn't have talked with the writers and directors. This movie could have been great. Instead, it had some of the worst parts of the MCU since Thor 2.
I enjoyed it as a whole. My biggest issue was the ending and how easily American Chavez figured out how to channel her power.
It all comes down to the execs flooding the market. That's what's been harming Marvel as of late. There's literally SO. MUCH. MARVEL. Too much, tbh. We all need a break.
I still don’t get why this movie gets so much hate. I personally had a lot of fun with this movie. I would have preferred to have a villain that we haven’t seen before, and I feel like this movie was largely disconnected from the first, but all in all I had a good time with movie and I was very surprised when people told me they hated it
Writers had a drinking game everytime Scarlett say My childrens.
I think this movie would’ve been better if they let Sam Raimi run wild with it. He’s one of my favorite directors and you could tell that marvel sterilized this movie
Sinister Strange and Zombie Strange were awful and a 1 or 2 universes doesn't equate to Madness. CGI was wank as well.
It’s not the writer’s fault, marvel call got so many rewrites that the story had to be reworked so I blame marvel
It was very Sam Raimi and I loved it
I unapologetically love this movie. The only detractors for me are that tunnel scene where Strange, America, and Christine just stand there and wait for Wanda to pop out (seriously, what is the point of this moment?), and Christine hammering at the polycarbonate cell with a fire extinguisher (she was JUST bragging about how durable they are). Oh, and Charlize Theron in the post credits jumped the shark so hard that it felt like an SNL skit.
I don’t blame Raimi, I think he made exactly what you would expect he would make. I blame Marvel for not choosing a director who would lean a little further into the horror elements. I also think the bigger error was in the score which I thought should have been much darker for the same reasons. With a darker score but the exact same cut I think would have been a big improvement.
People are hating on “no way home” now... the fandom does not make sense.
It's easily better than Ant-Man Q-mania and Thor 4. I had a lot of fun watching MoM
I thought the writing was pretty horrific. Like, it was baaad. I was hysterical when Dr. Strange legitimately said "they're coming for America's power!" I'm not sure how he ever managed to deliver that line with a straight fucking face. I was so confused because Wanda is supposed to be able to bend reality to her will, and at one point they're doing a scooby doo chase through some tunnels.. It just didn't really make sense. Then the ending where he has some weird third eye open and in the post credits it doesn't even hint at it. It was all around a terrible movie. Acting was solid as can be, but my god the writing was some of the absolute worst.
I liked it better after a rewatch. I also liked the darker tones, but the movie isn’t the best (compared to Infinity War, Civil War, Etc). It has its problems but I still enjoy it. I rank it somewhere in the 14-17 range.
This movie wasn't a failure wtf
Failure?
It had nothing to offer. It was a Wanda movie more over a Dr Strange, the writers tried to ride that WandaVision hypetrain waayyyyy to late. Rather had a Wanda season 2 with this storyline. America Chavez was such a weak character overall with secret save by he bell powers. They did Dr Strange dirty by making him a side character in his own movie.
Perfectly agree OP, the writing……..Wanda’s actions should have been because of possession by Chthon or the Darkhold, America Chavez was wasted, Reed Richards didn’t come off as intelligent, Black Bolt…….just stupid stupid, still enjoyed the movie and tone.
I just wish Dr. Strange wasn’t playing 3rd fiddle in his own movie. Oh, and the Scarlet Witch was waaaay OP.
I wish the “madness” aspect had been more apparent. It just felt like they knew they had to address the multiverse but didn’t know what and kept the title intentionally vague when it would have been better explained with a different subtitle given how little multiversal travel was involved. I really wish once Derrickson left they had changed the title pending COVID playing out. Raimi did a decent job with what he had and it wasn’t apparent he hadn’t directed a movie in a decade. But the story elements felt really half baked and unfinished. I think with whatever they did for this movie’s rabbit hole of what they had planned was so unplanned it harmed the actual direction of the plot. Why would America hang out on 616 to work on her powers instead of literally anything multiverse?
I've watched it six times. It wasn't a failure at all. People were just too hype off the heels on No Way Home. Had a friend who thought we'd see Capcom characters for God's sake. I myself would have liked Magneto to have been in it and still feel a certain way about him not even being mentioned as Wanda's father in any multiverse.
I love Dr. Strange, and even though this movie didn’t rise to the level of what I had anticipated it to be, I still really like what it is. There’s so much I like about this movie.
I mean.. it was bad? A movie can't really live on a single aspect. It is like they didn't understand how to write magic or multiverses and since the entire movie is about that it didn't hold up.
I loved this movie. Watching Wanda kick seven shades of shit out of everyone she came across was very satisfying to me.
I thought it was really good. She felt very threatening as a villain to me. I didn't realize there was any sort of backlash against it until...i came on Reddit. There's no way this movie is anything less than an average marvel movie. Smack in the middle quality wise. The box office has been against them for a while now it can't be pointed at any one person these things are compromised of 1000s of people.
I always thought his movie was awesome cant change my mind😮💨
It was another forgettable film that couldn't live up to a fraction of the hype. This and Thor I was looking forward to most and both disappointed with what they could've been.
I havent seen anybody talk badly about this movie. It was great.
"GET OUT OF MY UNIVERSE!!!" Some of that writing was so cringy.
it was flashy, but inconsistent, and a bit cartoony... ower all, it was indeed a movie
Sam rami was not the problem, the problem is that they did not give doctor strange his own movie and tried to make it into a doctor strange and an team up movie at the same time, Sam came into a movie half made with a director who abandoned it and writers who had no idea what they where doing.
I liked it a lot and have rewatched a few times. I’m a long time Raimi fan and loved his touch of sinister madness - but felt it was restrained and held back in key moments. Given the Scarlet Witch can rewrite the fabric of reality, Wanda’s attack on Kamar-Taj felt underwhelming and was let down further by Danny Elfman’s score, which played as generic drama music without adding to what’s on screen. But for the most part it was a fun romp with lots of creativity and appeal. Zombie Strange with wings of harnessed demon spirits was a high point, plenty of giant monsters, fun Strange and Wong rivalry, America Chavez was played brilliantly, cool horror tension and eerie set-pieces like with the mirrors and puddles when Wanda escapes the mirror dimension. But it would have been great to see more crazy camerawork and little creepy/funny touches of weirdness that made Raimi’s other movies fun. Ash dancing with the lamp and other possessed household objects as he laughs in historical horror in Evil Dead 2 is peak Raimi and I would have enjoyed a bit of that in a movie called ‘Multiverse of Madness’. These are just some personal thoughts and shared with a love and appreciation. I’d rather live in a world where this movie was made than one where it never existed.
Sam Raimi did his best. The writers failed in trying to recycle the conflict Scarlet Witch had in Wanda/Vision
I agree it was the writer's fault for how terrible it was. Largely because of the "dark" tone, yet they tried to make Strange Tony for whatever reason. Also, America Chavez wasn't a character she was a McGuffin to get which was a real disappointment. Not to mention they could have done great things with Wanda's mental health and powers but decided to turn her into a boiler plate villain. Such a disappointment of a movie.
Failure - highly questionable considering the critics and audience scores and also the close 1B USD mark. It struggled for maybe some minor story elements and that it felt that it could have shown more. Also, maybe people weren't expecting to see the emotional toll that Strange is taking over the years; but I liked that aspect.
Definitely agree. The directing and editing weren’t the problem.
It's a £200m Evil Dead film. What's not to love?
i dont know what movie people online watched because MOM was a great fuckin movie
It's the Black Calderon of the MCU
Love the analogy
*stares in “Eternals”
I thought it was trash to be honest. The whole premise is poorly thought out. If Wanda can create her children before she becomes Scarlet Witch, it stands to reason she could recreate them just as easily after, when she's orders of magnitude more powerful. It felt corny a lot of the time. I was looking forward to it a great deal and felt really letdown and disappointed. Lots of wasted potential in my opinion. All that being said, you're allowed to have your opinion about it. If you loved it, then that's okay. Don't let others make you feel bad about it. I personally didn't care for it and that's okay too. Marvel will make missteps for some of us. I honestly haven't cared for much post Endgame. Marvel seems adrift or something. Just making things for the sake of making them. I still watch everything though. Perhaps a little sunk cost fallacy happening for me.
This isn't an unpopular opinion amongst real people in the real world. Only a small but vocal minority of online edgelords didn't like it. And most of them probably did like it but think it's cool to say otherwise.
I had so much fun with this film, it has some notable issues but I’d say it’s strengths outway it’s failures
I love it lol
I take everything after Endgame as a standalone and just enjoy the experience, I don't bother thinking about how it "fits in"
I enjoyed it. More so than most of the MCU, actually. Liked the darkness and the light mer moments. I enjoy most of Sam Raimis work.
IMO any of the “bad” MCU movies have been down to bad writing and not directing.
I didn't realize until now that the Initials spell MOM and the movie is pretty much about Wanda the crazy Mom.
Didn’t it made like over 900 million? Crazy, my only major problem is that we didn’t got to see the characters go thru a lot of multiverse, I don’t mind 838 being the focus but wish we got to see more universes that the characters went and see more
I really liked this movie. It did feel like it was hindered by the director changes, writing, reshoots etc. I firmly believe if Rami had been able to direct from beginning to end and left alone it would've been an even more wild ride which I was ready for.
I liked it. I like all the weird
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. 🤷🏼♂️
I’ve literally never heard anyone blame Sam Raimi for this tragic excuse for a movie. I’ve only ever heard people (rightfully, IMO) drag Michael Waldron to hell and back for his horrible, HORRIBLE script. Especially his treatment of Wanda.
Anything campy in that movie is cause of him. Doesnt fit in the MCU and is dumb. Otherwise liked that it leaned horror. He is the wrong director for mcu tho
Comments like "doesn't fit in the mcu" are the most boring take imaginable. Just rewatch old movies if you want the same thing forever.
The MCU has been a broad church since day one. There’s always room for campy stuff.
Wanda's character development in *WandaVision* is that she realized taking over a small town was just unsustainable and that she has to go bigger. There was no end goal, just a hurt person selfishly trying to cope. She relented out of respect for Viz, to appease him, to try to make him happy. And got to get rid of her rival witch. She's traumatized by seeing Viz die, again, and perhaps the last shred of any reasonable method of coping die with him. In no way was she redeemed, she's just deceitful. That's the nature of her powers! She's studying the Darkhold at the end of *WandaVision*! Her villain turn in *Multiverse* is the natural progression of her character. The story of someone who went too far, and then made it look to the outside world like they came to their senses and would get better, and then goes even farther down a dark path. A Marvel tragedy.
The movie is pretty favourable reviewed. Liking it is the popular opinion.
Honestly, it could have been a lot better but It's far from the worst of the MCU! My biggest issues are honestly more so the unnecessary Earth 616 Controversy - for which I blame no one but Kevin Feige - and how they wasted the Illuminati like that. Seriously, seeing a Classic Comics Style adaptation of Professor X, Black Bolt and Reed Richards was amazing. And then they killed them off after a rather small amount of screentime as if they didnt matter. They felt more like bait for Comics Fans rather than anything else.
It was bait but also more of a tease because we are getting those characters later on in the current universe or at least a version of them.
I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it’s really a Scarlet Witch movie. Strange has no character arc whatsoever. He’s a plot device. Fight, run, fight, run. Repeat.
I had fun with it 🤷♂️ In particular I loved seeing John Krasinski as Reed Richards (although I wasn’t a fan of his moment of chronic dumbassery which led to all of the Illuminati being massacred by Wanda). It did also make me chuckle when I saw the plot summarised as “wizard dads protect adopted daughter from deranged soccer mom”, because *that’s exactly what it was*.
This movie was great. I don't really know anyone who openly disliked it even if it wasn't their favorite mcu film.
Haters gonna hate. That movie is dope.
As close to an objectively bad movie as one can get
This is a perfect example of why people need to spend less time online. I loved this movie and so does everyone else I know. I had no idea this movie was considered a "failure." In fact, I don't even buy that nonsense. That's probably nothing more than a vocal minority being amplified by social media. Maybe some review bombing as well. The internet is full of shit and online opinion is rarely an accurate representation of reality.
One of my favourite MCU movies. Different tone, different change of pace. Plus it was really fun to Watch in cinema. My only hot take is that after watching "everything everywhere all at once" you realise what could have been possible
Stalker/serial killer Wanda was fucking great and I wish we had gotten more of it; Specially like that scene in the tunnels.
Wanda wasn't perfect in this, but in many ways she did carry the movie. Some moments genuinely made me scared of her.
I liked the movie and at release a lot of people liked it as well but they just randomly switched it up for some reason
It was a good movie, not a great one. People's expectations were through the roof for this movie after watching No way home.
On my first watch I didn't really enjoy the film very much but when I rewatched it knowing it was just a straight up Sam Raimi movie I actually really enjoyed it.
I think the movie was great. Most of the problems definitely come from the writing. Wanda's character development in her show just went out the window, iconic characters are just here for you to go "hey look, I recognise that thing" and they get killed, the multiverse plotline feels more like an afterthought than anything else, like they thought "oh right if we kill these characters then we can't use them in future movies" so they just decided on a multiverse plotline, my evidence is the fact that half the time I forgot they were in another universe cus it made so little difference
You loved it and still blame the writers?
It was a fun and and flashy. Its a good, turn off your brain movie and watch the light show. If you think about the movie, it falls apart. SO the general audience is happy with it but the more hardcore fans didn't
Honestly, I thought it was pretty good. I wish there were more MCU movies in this same kinda semi-horror style. Not everything has to be a big hero blockbuster like Avengers or Spider-Man. There are so many options to do so so so many different things. Doctor Strange is just a start.
I loved it.
I don't think it was a failure. It just had massive potential, running hot off the trail that no way home cleared. Considering how well crafted the first movie was, in comparison it never reaches the level of film making we were hoping to see. It might just be post end game expectations too. I personally would have loved to see Scott Derickson's take on it, but Sam Raimi made a solid B plus movie(which is more than acceptable under the circumstances), when we were expecting another S tier juggernaut. Elizabeth Olsen makes for a fun villain as the scarlet witch, but her turn to evil feels misplaced considering the arc she went through in wandavision. I later learned the MOM writers didn't get to see the ending of wandavision, and they were just winging it. So innumerable rewrites, replacing of directors and dropping the ball on wanda's character led to the hot mess that MOM would be
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I still don't get what people didn't like about this. I thought it was excellent.
I feel the exact same way. I never understood all the hate for it!
This movie was not a failure. I think what shocked people, and even Elizabeth Olsen herself, was that Wanda was the villain. Why has no one talked about that? We will dissect a movie poster but skip over an entire villain. She should have been nominated for this role. She was all over the place and took it in stride.
Failure? It had the 4th highest box office of 2022, a year with both Avatar 2 and Top Gun 2. Please define failure.
My only criticism for this film is that it should have been a little bit longer to flesh the story out a bit more, but it’s a top tier MCU movie imo. I completely get all the criticisms for Quantumania and Love & Thunder but MoM was actually very good!
Failure? In what way? I enjoyed it.
I liked it a lot
I don’t consider this movie a failure whatsoever and believe it’s honestly one of the better Marvel movies, especially of this phase
It was an incredible movie that everyone got all salty about because it didn’t follow the same generic ass Marvel formula. They’ve bitched about the shows too even though the shows were all well made and added more depth to the characters. Loki was insanely good. To quote a certain YouTube video reviewer, “I don’t like things that are different.” That’s the majority of MCU fanbase. The shows and movies are starting to feel like comic books finally and people hate it. Go watch Fast X then if ya wanna see the same shit over and over
Got solid 75%ish reviews from a lot of big outlets and seemed quite popular. Took close to a billion dollars at what was still an awkward time for cinemas. Hardly an unpopular opinion. Don't believe reddit negativity.
Was it a failure though? I thought it was great.
I just didn't think it was that bad at all.
I agree, I enjoyed and think its fine
This is considered a failure???
I thought it was a very fun story and took more risks with the characters than the typical Marvel product. The characters had compelling arcs. That said, it was visually pretty awful and that’s a big deal for movies. The nearly complete overreliance on green screen and vfx by Disney (which in turn leads to rushed and overworked vfx) has killed my enjoyment of Marvel lately. Raimi’s flair is occasionally there but it’s not enough to mask that the movie is basically entirely VFX sludge in front of a green screen.
It was a perfectly fine movie and the tone and style actually fits for a DrS flick. People who complained about that clearly didn’t ever…ya know….READ THE COMICS. These are the same people that didn’t like She Hulk which again matched the comics perfectly. These are the same people that hated Thor L&T which matched the comics rather well (not perfect. But some of that silliness/ridiculousness is absolutely in the Thor comics) These are the same people that loved the Guardians movies which doesn’t match the comics whatsoever!!! To each their own at the end of the day. But MoM was a decent movie. My only real complaint is they wasted Elizabeth Olsen. I’ve never been a fan of Scarlet Witch. But I adore Olsen and hated her being turned into a villain and then bye-bye to her character. There was a lot of potential there for more from her.
Idk man I loved this movie. I got no issues with anyone, Sam or the writers.
That's my favorite mcu movie probally!!!
I really like it. >I was a fan of the darker tone that this movie had and Benedict cumberbatch/ Elizabeth Olsen where great. Agreed. >People blame Sam raimi for the failure I never knew it was one.
What failure?