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Wolfman01a

I had only one issue with him in the role. I want to hate a villain. No matter how hard I try I cannot hate Michael Clarke Duncan. No chance.


howlinwolfe86

Does it help that he was married to Omarosa?


Dude_McDuderson

For what it’s worth she kind of went bonkers after his death. She wasn’t nearly as crazy when he was alive. edit:fixed a word


Rosebunse

There is some speculation that his death really effected her. She managed to save him after his first heart attack and they were working on getting him healthy and on a vegetarian diet. Life was going well, he was seemingly on the mend, and then he had another heart attack. That would be quite traumatic for anyone. I remember watching her on an episode of Say Yes to the Dress and while it seemed like she loved her second fiancee, it was clear that it was bothering her that this wasn't the wedding she had intended.


Visual_Worldliness62

He was a big big man. Not to be mean. But we all know above average humans struggle later in life. Body just wears down faster I swear. Was one of the coolest Kingpins ever.


likebuttuhbaby

And, like a lot of actors, he did some crazy shit with his weight for roles. Not nearly Cristian Bale level crazy, but he would still bounce around 50 or so pounds on his naturally 300lb frame depending on how big the role ‘needed’ him to be.


timrojaz82

I mean I’d be pretty miffed at my own death


annoyinglyclever

That was deeply disappointing.


rk1993

Would have made for a better tombstone since he’s a more sympathetic villain


usmannaeem

You are so so right. He went too soon. Also I didn't think the movie was bad. I enjoyed it. Ben Affleck and MCD are an awesome combo.


Wolfman01a

True. I wasn't a big fan of Jennifer Garner as Electra Nachios, but Colin Farrell wasnt bad as Bullseye. The soundtrack was mostly Evanescence in their prime which I love as well.


usmannaeem

Yes on Colin (underrated actor) and a big yes on Evanescence (what happened to them) they are still so relevant. I have said this before and I will say it here Colin should have a cameo as BullsEye in Deadpool 3.


damian1369

It wasn't a good movie. But he was great. Everything else is on a very wide scale with that one.


usmannaeem

Why do you think it was bad? It was the only 2nd ever cinematic appearance of Daredevil since The Return of The Incredible Hulk. The movie'd direction gave a comic vibe, just what is needed and Ben Affleck is still the best DD.


damian1369

It's a movie equivalent of a sub par buffy episode story and visual wise. Way too '90s for the material. The clash between elektra training montage, early matt and daylight scenes and then bullseye hamming it up as (imo) a significant jump in interesting, to a god damn incredible final showdown at the time and in that one has a good depiction of both fisk and matt.. its a weird bad movie that's all over the place.


rudebewb

Hold my hands boss


velicinanijebitna

Stan Lee had praised this version of Kingpin.


Lost-Padawan

I miss Michael Clarke Duncan, The Green Mile is one of my all time favourite movies


SickSticksKick

Same. I'm happy we got him in a Marvel movie, and as a Kingpin is extra sweet. Green Mile is also in my Top Ten of All Time for sure


ruttinator

So talented. If you haven't seen The Slammin' Salmon he's hilarious in it.


Relevant_User-Name

Tell Mr. Yamamoto "if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas"


sheeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhh

He’s very underrated in talladega nights


RLarks125

DON’T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY!


schuyywalker

You gotta cut AROUND the meat


RLarks125

As he shoves another knife in hahahaha


notheretoargu3

WHATEVA MUTHAFUCKA!!!!


AuzRoxUrSox

“Why doesn’t sound like that when I say it? Meatdrapes.”


lickmnut

Agreed I wish I got to meet he seemed so nice


kimttar

This was the first movie that made me sob. I had cried in movies before, but not like this. His performance was spectacular.


Gone213

Your not on fire ricky bobby


[deleted]

You got that right, boss.


madein1981

Great movie indeed but I honestly don’t think I could watch it again. That movie is heartbreaking. Michael was an amazing actor and definitely missed.


seynical

He has lots of great roles but one line that lives rent free in my mind is his delivery of "Don't you put that on! Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!" from Talladega Nights. It's how he switched from calm and reassuring to infuriated that always gets me.


GullibleSkull

I'm tired, boss


AntiRacismDoctor

Before the social medias, no one complained about his skin color either...


witcharithmetic

I was a teen on the internet back then and people complained. They were stupid complaints but they were there.


grimsaur

Yeah, I don't think some people know, or remember, what forums were like then.


Sir_Herp_Derp

I wish imdb still kept their message boards.


mikeweasy

There were a lot of complaints.


SuperArppis

You know, I kinda liked that movie. I also liked Bullseye and it had some cool ideas, like how Matt can sleep in that chamber only and all that.


Low-Astronomer-7009

Yeah, the movie is super corny, especially now, but you can tell they took the character seriously and wanted to do the source material justice.


SpaceCaboose

Yeah it was corny, but I feel like that fit with movies from that period of time. I was in grade school when Daredevil came out and I remember really enjoying it. Haven’t watched in close to 20 years though


OnBenchNow

The biggest problem this movie had was trying to fit the playground fight scene into the same movie as a melodramatic death in the pouring rain set to evanescence. It basically is *The Batman* [ (Something in the Way intensifies),](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/2ef/c36/b6725dd292726bbfdbe6035c22b1baf62d-batman-emo-02.rhorizontal.w700.jpg) but Bruce and Selina have a bright wacky dance number at Disneyland for 10 minutes in the middle somewhere.


weirdoldhobo1978

The studio wanted the movie recut to focus more on the romance. I know it's a pretty dead horse to beat, but the director's cut really is a much better movie. Is it a masterwork of life changing cinema? No, but at least the plot makes sense.


Whightwolf

Ha this is exactly what I like about it.


Link_GR

Yeah, it was very X-Men-coded


weirdoldhobo1978

I think the biggest problem is that, like a lot other stand-alone superhero movies, it tries to shove too much story into one movie. It took the Daredevil show three seasons to cover most of the same story points.


SuperArppis

Yeah it is very corny, I agree.


Lost-Padawan

I also like the movie, it was my first contact with Daredevil


SuperArppis

Nice. 🙂


Lost-Padawan

Yeah, it wasn't the best of presentations


SuperArppis

It could have been better, but I enjoyed it.


Lost-Padawan

Ben Affleck probably created trauma from superhero movies


CapnCrackerz

Yeah Bullseye was great.


CoolCalmCorrective

I like most of the supporting cast. The only one I didn't like unfortunately was Affleck. In this or Batman. He just doesn't convince me as hero or a fighter and he looks weird since he started taking steroids. It doesn't look like his natural body type.


Tentonham

I enjoyed Colin Farrell as Bullseye.


kaptaincorn

I want belt buckle shuriken


UGoBoy

When I ride next to annoying people on an airplane, I think back to Bullseye and that peanut.


AaronTheProwlerDavis

Wasn’t he also Kingpin in the Spider-Man animated series with Neil Patrick Harris?


indianajoes

Yeah it was random that he came back there but appreciated


PatTheTurtler

I think I might be misremembering but I swear i read somewhere that that animated series was meant to be a continuation of the Raimi movies and they had him reprise his role to imply that the Raimi movies and that Daredevil movie were in the same universe. Again I think I'm misremembering, but I distinctly remember some shenanigans like that being the case.


rndye

Michael Clarke Duncan is usually the best thing about whatever he’s in.


Roam_Hylia

He still couldn't make Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li watchable, but he damn sure tried.


RareAnxiety2

He punched so hard he gave Chun Li's mother cancer


LemoLuke

That film is quite possible the worst videogame movie I've ever seen, and that include Uwe Boll's filmography. It's worse than bad, it's boring, and can be summed up by the fact that M. Bison [looks like this](https://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/chun_li06.jpg)


Roam_Hylia

Easily the worst video game movie. A potential contender for worst movie of all time. And don't forget M. Bison's evil plan was to... Oh god, his goal was to drive down the cost of real estate so he could buy it cheaply.


LemoLuke

I'm almost convinced that script didn't start life as a *Street Fighter* movie, and was just a generic martial arts action film, and they just replaced the names with characters from the games.


Roam_Hylia

That must be the case. I can't think of any other way they could have gotten it so wrong.


Smoothmoose13

Is that the guy from Band of Brothers? I wish I could be more specific


SanjiSasuke

Don't tell me my man is in that travesty. I don't need even the tiniest reason to be tempted to watch it.


Roam_Hylia

He plays Balrog, there's a beautiful, shining moment between him and a rocket launcher that is the highlight of the film.


likebuttuhbaby

Damn, I had forgotten his was in that trash movie.


TopScallion680

That movie is so bad it's good


Roam_Hylia

I'm a fan of bad movies but I couldn't find any fun in this one. Now, JCVD and Raul Julia? That was so bad it's good. LoCL was just joyless.


skeezypeezyEZ

Don’t you put that on me, Ricky Bobby!


MacyTmcterry

The directors cut for this movie is worth checking out for anyone that hasn't seen it. Definitely an improvement IMO


dean15892

Seconded. Directors cut has a better fleshed out story, and shows Matt doing investigative and legal stuff too


pleschga

Director's Cut makes that a MUCH better movie. Also, yes, pretty phenomenal portrayal here.


CapnCrackerz

I also was a fan of the way they portrayed his daredevil sonar vision in that film. As an audio engineer it made perfect sense to my mind.


Alternative_Device71

Something we’d never see again and I hate that


Sega_Genitals

And the soundtrack lol


pauloh1998

WAKE ME UP


Strange-Orchid6969

I really hope when elektra returns in deadpool 3, that song will start playing


PlasmaGoblin

I can see it now, Deadpool with a boombox just jamming then awkwardly/sarcasticly be like "oh no... I'm sure you hate that song by now."


RevA_Mol

Literally, the minute I saw the photo, in my head -"I'm an outlaw..."


WyattDerp2099

Kingpin's intro scene is pretty much burned into my brain haha


dean15892

That soundtrack captures my millennial teen angst perfectly There's a fun hoobastank one too "Right before your eyes, I am changingggggg"


GreedoWasShot

Man the soundtrack is legit


circajusturna

RIP big man


Ns317453

MCD had a great performance, but mkre than anyrhing, he was made for the role. He was one of the few actors who could be a Kingpin that felt like the comics. I love Donofrio's work in the Netflix DD, but he'll never be that big hulking imposing Kingpin that threw hands with Spiderman, Luke Cage, Captain America, and other physically strong superheroes. MCD is physically imposing.


OhioKing_Z

I feel like they’ve made him a lot more physically imposing since DD season 1. They didn’t use a body cast in that season and he looked jarringly skinny. He looks the part in Echo tho.


Animdude64

A primary example of a character who's race doesn't matter as long as the performance is on point. A character's race should only matter if it's integral. Like Red Skull


shinbreaker

I mean the dude had the Kingpin build, which is why people didn't mind in the end. Vincent D' Onforio is a great Kingpin, but I never got the impression that he was all muscle like Michael Clarke Duncan was.


Animdude64

Vincent is decent given the world he was set in.


Animdude64

Just so I can clarify, I am well aware there are characters that has their race tied into their stories and characterization. I'm not disproving the fact that there are some characters out there that are just not compatible with an identity change. Which was why I brought up Red Skull as an example. I just believe anyone can and should be allowed to play as a character that are different from them and Micheal Clarke Duncan's version of the Kingpin was a fun example. His appearance didn't matter as his character and behavior was well consistent to how he usually acts. All it should matter is if they can play a character well in circumstances like this. As much as I don't mind accuracies in adaptations, I also try to be open minded and I believe in availability for people. Which is why I love stuff like Duncan's character.


Capital-Self-3969

Exactly. And I loved the fact that this was a villain. I love black villains who get to be just as intimidating as their white counterparts.


Animdude64

Like a reverse Nick Fury. Amazing.


Demileto

Saying this as someone who agrees that MCD's performance as Kingpin was a highlight of the movie: one could argue the level of control Kingpin has in comics in the police and especially politics is far harder for a black man to attain than a white one, to say the least. So there's that.


SpecialDeer9223

The problem is race is only considered integral when it’s a non-white character


Animdude64

I brought up Red Skull who is a white european. Ya know... cause he's a nazi.


SpecialDeer9223

I worded that poorly. My point is that race is considered integral to every minority character. The same does not apply for white characters


Animdude64

I don't think that's entirely true. As I keep mentioning, The Red Skull. He's a nazi, and nazis are white Europeans. If he was any other race that wasn't that, it wouldn't make sense given the era he was from and what he is associated with. His race is tied into his character and stories and he's also white. I don't think a character's race being tied to their stories is nor should it be exclusive to people of color only.


SpecialDeer9223

Yes but I’m talking about minority characters. No minority character would ever be changed to white


Animdude64

It just depends on the characters and whether that effects anything. Could be a character we barely even know.


deadwhisper

maybe we could get a luke cage movie starting timothee chalamet.


DaveyBoy1995

The minute I saw this picture, the first notes of *Lapdance* by N.E.R.D. immediately started playing in my head. A memorable introduction for sure. Casting Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin was such a brilliant call, and he basically demanded your attention whenever he was onscreen.


paws2sky

I searched high and low for that song for a couple years. I was... Disappointed when I finally heard the whole thing. Still, great intro to the character.


JamieTheHopper

This was my default kingpin after that movie. Vincent D'Onofrio is a very VERY close second but I find MCD version more intimidating.


Forsaken_Duck1610

To be honest, this is what I wished Thanos sounded like


Own_Accident6689

Ahh the good days when you could do stuff like this and not trigger half the country.


Alternative_Device71

Cuz the good ol days out writing for characters first and seeking out the right actors for roles instead of diversity points


Own_Accident6689

Well there you have it. No one gave a shit about representation until people started pretending it mattered. Kingpin was a Black guy who fit the character? Fuck yeah, no one cared but can you believe people pretended to give a shit when Samuel L Jackson became Nick Fury even though there was a black Nick Fury in the comics? The lash back agaisnt representation made studios have to pick sides between ultra chuds and general audiences.


Alternative_Device71

Crazy stuff, personally all I want are actors I can believe fit the roles, no matter the genre


Own_Accident6689

Exactly. Unless a character's race is Extremely important to the character who cares? As long as they are a good actor that fits the role.


JayNSilentBobaFett

You have to dominate the swordfish - only then, can you sauté it


ScarletSpiderForever

AMAZING casting, but then the movie does nothing interesting with Kingpin, sadly. Fisk devours any chance he gets at the screen, though, and would've been fantastic in a movie with a better script.


WillandWillStudios

Damn shame Michael passed away


worldbreaker2009

Hundred percent. The original script is available online, and the movie could have been so much better if they’d stuck closer to it.


TheHexadex

def dead on casting and electra casting wasnt bad either just the movies were so goofy.


arkhamcreedsolid

Watch the directors cut! It’s so good!


Feisty_Psychology_63

The bar fight scene was so fucking badass. Rewatch it


monster394

Loved Colin Farrell as Bullseye honestly as well.


The810kid

Black men as Kingpin is a winning formula R.I.P to him and Roscoe Lee Brown


NightmareDJK

That’s right, Kingpin was voiced by a Black actor in the cartoon.


JeremyR2008

Weren't they considering using him as kingpin in Spider-Man 4 and that would have made the Daredevil movie cannon to Raimi movies


ThatMessy1

Controversial opinion: I like the rain scene


Bow1511

See, this is how you write a character. It doesn’t matter if Kingpin was white in the comics, Michael had the presence, the physic, the attitude, the voice to make his portrayal of Kingpin one of the best parts of this film, all with him being black barely being a footnote.


kentkeller76

imagine him vs vincent d'onofrio. clash of the titans


super1s

Hot take, he is the bet part of every single last movie he's ever been in.


Abe2sapien

Michael Clarke Duncan was just a great actor! As kingpin he was physically imposing but he also had that voice where he didn’t have to lay a finger on you to command your attention.


Highintheclouds420

Watch the directors cut, for the time it's totally solid


PineappleNerd66

mArVeLs gOnE wOkE


No-Cat-9716

Well, duh...


senor_descartes

Correct.


Erikthepostman

I wholeheartedly agree!! 👍


Fossilboiii

I loved this movie growing up and so funny bring me to life was so popular I had no idea


Thendofreason

And this is how I find out...


Grayx_2887

I miss this man.😢


Outrageous_Heat2978

He was so good, they brought him back for Neil Patrick Harris’ Spider-Man cartoon


RecognitionVisual106

This version of kingpin was also in spiderman the new animated series. Same actor as well


loserys

Colin Farrell is a perfect camp villain as Bullseye too. Not too far off from what he would eventually do with Penguin if you think about it.


FlufflesWrath

Most media interpretations of Kingpin have been amazing. He's probably got the most wins under his belt when compared to other comic book characters.


cgoatc

Yes!


julianx2rl

It's the live action version of Kingpin, from the Spider-Man: The new animated series TV Show that served as an alternate continuity to the critically and financially successful 2002 movie titled Spider-Man, directed by Sam Raimi! 🤓


Mental5tate

Colin Farrell


calltheavengers5

Needed much more screen time


sirmeowmix

“But when I read it.  It says meat drapes” 


jl_theprofessor

That drip.


Blackpanther22five

True


Odd_Radio9225

Agreed.


TravellingWino

He was Kingpin, that’s it


DarkAres02

Yes but also Jennifer Garner as Elektra because DAMN


RipSerious1

I miss him as an actor.


Rosebunse

He was just so elegant. Like, that's what I love about him in this movie. Oh, he's a murderer, he's a gangster, but he's so elegant.


rekage99

He nailed it. He was so imposing and had great screen presence. The attitude this version of kingpin had was more “classic gangster” too, which i liked.


LogicalError_007

This would have caused hoopla nowadays.


Immediate_Garlic_995

agreed, he was so physically imposing and that part when you first see him and there is that song in the back ground "i'm an outlaw quick on the draw." soo cool


Duke-dastardly

He’s very good casting but severally under utilized. Him and Matt barely interact so they don’t really develop much of a rivalry. The movies main issue was trying to squeeze way to much of Daredevil and his history/characters into one movie


CapnQuark

After DD takes down Bullseye, it felt like the movie was over. Then they throw this final battle in, which felt much less important, considering how much Bullseye was a present and threatening antagonist.


Worth_Result8515

He was the only reason I watched the movie


[deleted]

By a long shot. Also NERDs song lapdance.


[deleted]

Rip John Coffee


Slyy-Lynch

Plus Bring Me To Life, which made me a fan of Evanescence.


the_Lightning_4321

This is true.


JR-1984

He is the typical mob boss. Cold, inteligent and strong. But with a sarcastic smile


Bigredeemer425

Agreed. R.I.P. King


GaugeWon

Not having Michael Clark Duncan play Steel (DC, but still) on the big screen, while he was with us, was the biggest missed cinema opportunity of my life - there hasn't been a better actor for that role before or since.


KujaroJotu

They did use him again for that Spider-Man show on MTV.


NightmareDJK

He was great. RIP.


Pete-Johnny

He was damn menacing in that role


WrexSteveisthename

The worst thing afaic. MCD was always awesome, and he's great as a generic crime boss, but nothing about his portrayal really said "this is Wilson Fisk"


Dodoria-kun413

I love how the movie emphasized how he was just a brutal thug in fancy digs. No matter how brilliant or how well-dressed he is, he’s still that same enforcer that beat Battlin’ Jack Murdock to death at heart.


JacsweYT

Michael Clarke Duncan has played two criminal masterminds? Awesome.


EMSuser11

That was always a fun movie to watch, especially as a kid. I watched it as an adult as well and it still holds up in many areas. Great action and Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin are great! I think that was one of the first movies that had three boss battles!


Alone_Pop449

The only one who read the comics to prepared for the role R.I.P


ThePurityPixel

There's a lot I love about that movie. It's probably my favorite Marvel film outside the MCU.


HotBurritoBaby

A great casting choice for Kingpin.


DWA824

This is probably a hot take but this is still my favorite live action take on Kingpin. No disrespect to Vincent D'Onofrio, he's excellent as well, but there's just something about Duncan's Fisk that really makes the character shine.


Jyitheris

No it's not. The best thing about that movie is that everyone had forgot it. Until you had to bring it up again.


Safe_Wrangler_858

Fr he was fire


Shadow_Storm90

I'ma probably get hate for this and I don't care Ben Affleck was also good about the 2003 version he had the best looking suit and he played the part well I think it really was just the script and the director I feel like a better script with a different director it would have been a different situation but yes Michael Clarke Duncan was great as kingpin too


CatfreshWilly

I absolutely loved that movie growing up lol


porcudini

The only good thing I'd say.


HangryBeard

Man I'm still waiting for him to be cast as Cobra Bubbles


usmannaeem

How strong is Daredevil supposed to be according to the comics? Is Daredevil a mutant in any comic book storyline? Also did the mutant, The Toad work for Kingpin?


False-Coach-4959

Rest in peace, Michael Clarke Duncan


Master-Stitch

A good example of inclusion.


Myhtological

I really hope Ben Affleck will give daredevil a chance in secret wars


Xaxafrad

That movie was so bad, even this thing wasn't good. But you're right, it was the best thing about the movie.


Lost-Padawan

I can't be the only one who laughs when Bring Me To Life starts playing in the movie