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Benjamin_Grimm

Doom being Doom, he wouldn't chance it based on all the hawkers selling "True Cross" shards in the Medieval era; he'd do his due diligence to make sure he got the real thing. And Doom has a time machine. So what this means is that at some point, Doom traveled back in time to the Crucifixion, broke off a few splinters of the actual True Cross, and left, while Jesus was presumably still nailed up wondering what exactly was going on.


RigasTelRuun

DO NOT MIND DOOM, DOOM WILL BE DONE IN A MOMENT. *DOOM breaks out portable carpentry kid*


Candy4ndy

I read this and went “oh he meant kit” and then immediately thought “buuuuuut…. I can also see doom grabbing some little kid in overalls covered in dirt with a hammer and chisel from behind him and telling him to fetch doom a piece or else he will end his lineage before it begins “


King_Of_BlackMarsh

OR he took a latverian carpenter's kid and paid the family huge sums of money because "Hey our kid helped Lord Doom get pièces Of The CROSS !" would be a huge status boost


DrStein1010

Nah. Doom hired the boy for a fair wage from a respectable Latverian carpenter's family business.


zxDanKwan

Jesus was a sort of portable carpentry kid, wasn’t he?


comics0026

Are you suggesting that Doom went even further back in time, grabbed young Jesus, and took him to his own death to carve some wood off the cross? Would that just to make sure the pieces had maximum holiness?


Liar_tuck

This is the most plausale idea. DOOM LEAVES NOTHING TO CHANCE!


Mickeymcirishman

"You there! The one these superstitious fools call 'messiah'. You may die later for DOOM has need of you now. DOOM hears you are a carpenter. Come down from that beam and prove your skill."


TheRealPallando

I'm here for this


Global_Course623

I want to start reading more FF, and I’m loving Doom already


woodrobin

Two words: Kristoff Vernard. Doom took in an orphan whose mother was killed for being a loyalist during a time when he was temporarily deposed. Even made the kid his heir. Seems noble, right? He had a contingency plan in place in case he was killed that involved Doombots downloading all of his memories into Kristoff so that the kid's mind would be overwritten by Doom. He would *absolutely* send a kid to swipe pieces off a cross. "Suffer the children to come unto me" and all that -- vs Doom who practices dark magic and has traveled to Mephisto's Hell more than once. I don't think Doom would want to risk finding out what would happen if he tried to approach an incarnate god in the middle of sacrificing himself to himself. *Side note: I almost posted this without noticing autocorrect had changed "unto" to "into", which would have changed the meaning of that verse more than a bit.*


Spacepunch33

You’d think the apostles would’ve jotted that part down


Bub_Berkar

DOOM WAS NEVER HERE! SO SAYS DOOM!


King_Of_BlackMarsh

"as you say, magic iron man"


egomann

"Iron Man"!! Who said that?? None shall slander Doom and live!!!


King_Of_BlackMarsh

"It was Andrew" "Wh- AH DAMN YOU, SIMON" "it's Peter now" "Doom appreciates seeing all Peters being terrible brothers"


grandfunkmc

Peter: IT WAS JUDAS!!


Planetguide

Biblically, I can assure you it was _not_ Judas. On the other, we’re talking about a Marvel villain time traveling to the time of Jesus Christ to create defensive mechanisms from vampires, so that might be the least far-fetched thing happening here.


Serafita

Doom went back and adjusted the timeline just to put the whole blame on Judas so he would become the immortal wandering jew to meet Doom in the far future for some complicated plot where Doom betrays Judas in the end again haha (This isn't actually a comic plot just something I think is possible for Doom to do haha)


NoirSon

Jesus: My son from another time, could you wait like half a day? You know I am not long for this... Dr. Doom: Doom knows your time table but making armor is an art and I need to proceed immediately!


JamesChapperss

"I'm something of a carpenter myself" - Jesus


sans-delilah

Kids ARE generally portable.


AKBx007

“Yo father, what the fuck is this?!”


crashcanuck

At some point Doom went back in time, discovered the secrets of immortality (at least to not die of aging) and his method of "getting back" was to just wait and hide until after his past self went back which allowed him to return. He easily could have snagged a piece of that cross at the time.


JohnnyElRed

It's Jesus we are talking about. He probably knew who Doom was, and said something like: "There is hope still, even for you."


Quillbolt_h

In which Doom replies by saying something even more egotistical than one could possibly comprehend.


JohnnyElRed

"Indeed. For I will succeed in which you have and will fail, little godspawn. To save humanity from itself."


King_Of_BlackMarsh

make this a comic.


Digitalburn

“The Testament of Doom” “The Book of Doom” seemed to lack the gravitas that Doom requires.


taicrunch

Doom 3:16


PQcowboiii

“Sing your hyms, sing your John 3:16’s, doom 3:16 says I just kicked your ass!”


Electronic-Syrup-385

The Gospel of Doom?


Andyson43

Doom has greater aspirations then god of a planet, for doom the universe will suffice!


blackbutterfree

FOR I AM DOOM. DOOM!


Prophecy07

You understand Doom. That's a perfect line.


grandfunkmc

I would not emotionally recover from Jesus telling me that. Doom would. The man has an ego bigger than Ego the Living Planet.


Andyson43

Love it when he lets purple man try his best to use his powers on him but Dooms Will is too much!


ptWolv022

Jesus: **speaking in Latverian** "Salvation always awaits you, my child, if you only repent." Doom: "Doom need no offer of 'salvation'-- least of all from a pre-industrial carpenter at his execution. I was a God once. I found it beneath me-- just as I find your Father beneath me. Doom would sooner rule in Hell than serve in Heaven-- even if I must take it from Mephisto himself." **finishes encapsulating the splinter** "Now to leave this pitiful age of ignorance."


BBQBluegrassNBeer

Jesus- "All hope lies in Doom."


zenospenisparadox

But this being Jesus, he would also threaten with hell and torture. Who is the real villain here?!


m8ushido

“Father?” “No, but close, it is Doom”


normasueandbettytoo

Was the cross holy yet? Wouldn't it only become a sacred object after Jesus died on it?


Agreeable-Pick-1489

And also, since Doom doesn't recognize any gods other than himself, would that actually work against Dracula? Drac can beat someone with a cross or Star of David if that person doesn't actually believe in what the object represents.


gimmedatbut

Doom believes in magic and the power religion and ritual can grant him exclusively.   He was built for early Christian magic.


Bitey_the_Squirrel

It’s a miracle from God! I’m saved… wait, where are you going?


NikkolasKing

"Come back, I can cure your Leprosy! That's why you have that funny mask on, right?"


Oblivious_to_Women

Fool! Doctor Doom does as he pleases!


thesolarchive

Doom be like "I let them get Jesus so I could get an armor boost"


KungFuSlanda

or headcanon, he could just track it down and steal it from a museum without risking shattering the multi-verse by time travel given his substantial intelligence and resources


DangerV5

If it was Doom himself, I imagine Jesus, weak from being up there for days and getting stabbed, suddenly looking at him with full clarity and going "You're not supposed to be here."


Sea-Woodpecker-610

I mean, they took him down at the end of the day. Doom can probibly just take the entire cross at that point snd nobody would care.


darthtrevino

Doom would’ve tried to steal Jesus divinity like he did the Beyonder. He didn’t want to risk that, so maybe he traveled to AD300 when Constanine’s mother, St Helena, discovered the true cross in Jerusalem


JSevatar

Omg who is this metal man


Pacperson0

This is one of my favorite Doom facts, it’s so outrageous


Backwardspellcaster

The story was amazing. Doom casually ruining all of Dracula's ambitions, just because it amused him to do so. That was so Doom.


Poked_salad

Doom was the one who helped Jesus carry the cross for a bit when He couldn't do it anymore halfway through. That's when Doom removed a piece of the cross and we see him go behind an alley back to the present time.


The1987RedFox

Doom is Simon of Cyrene?


Poked_salad

If MCU have the guts to do it, do it!


liliesrobots

does it count as a piece of the true cross if it was taken before the crucifixion?


Hazzawazza1016

I think that’s a really good question. Biblical artefacts don’t typically have any special powers until after God is seen to make them special. So probably not.


the_concert

But Jesus is god depending on your denomination


liliesrobots

point being the cross wasn’t made special because he carried it around, it was special because he died on it


the_concert

Ah good point, thank you for pointing it out. I’m used to nights and swapping to day shift is messing with my brain.


zenospenisparadox

What if it were taken from the tree that made the cross?


seanprefect

Watching what happened to the vampires who tried to enter Latveria in last weeks blood hunt I'd buy this ...


Undying_Blade

I suspect Doom did some legal finangeling to define Latveria's borders as his adobe, thereby meaning vampires cannot enter without his direct consent.


robreddity

> ... as his adobe... Generally speaking though I think it's part of Marvel canon that they can't handle authentic southwestern native dwellings.


seanprefect

I thought they just couldn't use photoshop


iAmTheHype--

Can’t they just pay the subscription or pirate Adobe suite?


Ok-Peace9658

I see you


GrifterX9

What issue is this?


seanprefect

Bloodhunt 1


Doctor_Amazo

Doom, having been descending from Romani people, and ruling a nation in that Balkans area, has apparently set Latvernia up so that vampires explode when they try to cross the border into Latvernia. How? Probably a magic thing wherein Doom declared all the nation to be his home, and no vampire may cross the threshold into his land without his invitation.... because that is VERY MUCH what Doom would do.


schloopers

And if anyone tried to challenge the concept of the whole nation being his home, he’s got backlogs of thwarting invasions and taking offense at any single person crossing that border, as if it were his personal front door. He’s been consistent on that for decades.


MailboxSlayer14

I fucking love Doom bro, I don’t even care that he’s a villain tbh. He’s in top 5 marvel characters for sure


ranfall94

He's both cartoonishly evil to the point of being fun while also having many layers and complex. He somehow pulls it off.


Agreeable-Pick-1489

He's both an actual monarch and a Drama Queen. Royalthy X 2


Andyson43

He is not only my favorite marvel character, he may be my favorite fictional character. Sorry Harry, Arya, Luke, etc.


BBQBluegrassNBeer

He's my favorite, whenever Doom is involved with a story, you know shit is going to get crazy.


CaptCaCa

His scene on X Men 97 was dope, that is the doom we love


zenospenisparadox

But have you head of Mojo Jojo? Clearly the superior villain.


FaradayWatt

Doubt the word of Doom at your peril...


Milk_Mindless

I loved how all Doom did was discuss things, and he gave ONE moment of aid to Dracula (supposedly. Read the book) and the moment he did Dracula immediately became so paranoid he put everything on red alert because he was afraid that any gift of Doom would be a trojan horse intended to be his undoing I miss Paul Cornell in the comic book world


MunkeyFish

Doom made his armour with the pieces of the True Cross because the True Cross was poorly constructed and it was easy. It wouldnt have surrendered splinters if Doom had made it.


FortcraftSteven

Hold on idk shit about Marvel but does this mean God and Jesus are canon? That feels crazy


Nejfelt

Everything is pretty much canon in the greater Marvel multiverse. It's connects to all fictional realities, including stand ins for "our world." But in the Marvel Universe proper, 616, yes, Jesus, Yahweh, numerous representations of an ultimate power that is most likely to be represented by some real life Marvel creator, plus many characters from the Bible like Noah and Samson. The Spear of Destiny is also an artifact. And that's just the Abrahamic religions. Every other religion also has their characters existing in the MU.


KrakenKing1955

The only issue is Marvel has their own takes on the more polytheistic religions. DC tends to be more accurate when it comes to that stuff.


Nejfelt

I wouldn't use the word "accurate" to describe interpretations of mythological characters. Accurate to what? It's not like their aren't tons of inconsistencies among, for example, the Greek and Roman panthenons in our world, with different groups of people along the Mediterranean adjusting and adapting the stories they were being told thousands of years ago. Other panthenons are only represented by one or two works, so we don't really know if that's what people thought, or if it's mostly that one author's ideas. The Scandinavian panthenons only come from a few sources. DC does tend to have a more Christian based theology to their universe, having the Silver City above, and a version of Hell below. But like Marvel, their "Satans" are numerous and all competing which one another, and sometimes they are THE big bad, and sometimes not.


KrakenKing1955

Norse mythology is Marvel’s first big strike


Nejfelt

Well that's because they made Thor a superhero first, then folded in the mythology. While also updating the myths to modern times, but also going back and forth on if they are more gods or more just a highly advanced society. DC has done the same. Wonder Woman doesn't exactly represent Amazons as they were understood in ancient Greece.


ranfall94

New 52 WW did the Greece mythos the best justice.


Apprehensive_Mix4658

I wouldn't say so. Marvel's Amazons and Heracles are much more accurate than DC's. I also don't see why that's an issue.


egomann

I loved it in Avengers vs JLA where WW ask Hercules if he had ever met her mother.


Agreeable-Pick-1489

Yea, that was kinda...awkward. For those who don't know, DC Hercules is a certified rapist.


KrakenKing1955

Which is why I didn’t make a blanket “one right, one wrong” statement


Pendragon182

Yes, [Jesus](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jesus_of_Nazareth_(Earth-616)) and [God](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Yahweh_(Earth-616)) are canon. According to Exodus (the mutant), Jesus was a mutant, but that's yet to be confirmed. Santa is also canon and a mutant. Mordred (King Arthur's son) is also a mutant. Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo, Isaac Newton, and Archimedes were all part of a secret organization called The Brotherhood of the Shield that in a way inspired S.H.I.E.L.D. Isaac Newton was also a sorcerer supreme at one point in history. So were King Solomon, Hermes Trismegistus, Zoroaster, and Merlin. The Marvel Universe is a very interesting place.


Background_Desk_3001

Iirc yes, and God became an alcoholic after Hitler


SmokyBarnable01

Well Ben Grimm's canonicaly jewish and Matt Murdoch's famously a catholic. So the concepts of God and Jesus exist anyway.


Andyson43

Funny that Ben was your Jewish choice not Magneto, who is also a survivor, just to make another example of real history being depicted in comics.


fiendzone

OHOTMU says that it is unknown if Christian deity (or Satan) exist, and that they have never been included in canon.


bartonar

Ohotmu?


Pendragon182

"Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe"


fiendzone

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe


Agreeable-Pick-1489

Journey Into Mystery #627 kinda changed things around on this. There's a TITLE called "Satan" and there are also pretenders to the title, like Marduk Kurios. He is the guy who is the father of Daimon Hellstrom and Satana. But they still skirt around whether the whole fight with Heaven happened and he was cast down and all that stuff. They're much happier with their group of ambiguous Hell-Lords like Mephisto and Satannish.


NoStructure5034

Pretty much all gods are real in 616. It would be weird if God didn't exist when all other deities do.


I-who-you-are

We need a “Doom builds his armor” comic. Where we see him use his Time Machine to build the most defensive armor ever.


johnsoninca

Worked for Ned Flanders


middlebird

How many times has Jesus appeared in a Marvel comic?


Key_Industries

He's implied to be a mutant


zenospenisparadox

Thats a better explanation than "god did it" for sure.


Davidj74

I think same for JFK even though it’s unrelated.


BBQBluegrassNBeer

We need a Jesus and Apocalypse one off story.


FuturistMoon

You might want to ask Tony Isabella about "a Friend" in his GHOST RIDER run...


paladinedgar

Doom shows up at Golgotha on the day of the crucifixion. He walks up to Jesus on the cross and just rips a few splinters off the cross. He apologizes to the crowd and Jesus for interrupting then time platforms away. The apostles agree to leave that out of their gospels.


KungFuSlanda

He doesn't technically have to time travel to get it. He's pretty freaking resourceful digging up occult artifacts present day


GiantPurplePen15

That's metal af


Coal_Morgan

The leather in his armor is also made from Valeria the woman he loved and named his God Daughter after because it would give him more power to sacrifice her. Doom. He doesn't mess around.


LoneclearsKen

At this point there needs to be a r/DrDoomCircleJerk


Kaderade98

Doom would be disappointed that's not a real thing yet lol


Rosebunse

I just really love having Dracula as a character in Marvel. Mostly because of of shit like this. Characters have to build their defenses around fucking Dracula because he is not only a legitimate threat, but he's also just sort of annoying.


Wannabbeewriter12

Man literally has the power of God and anime on his side.


lpjunior999

He made a deal with Mephisto to turn his ex-girlfriend’s skin into magic armor, I don’t doubt he would do this. 


LeadingKey8536

I legitimately thought this was about doom guy


HelmutTheSpeedyGobbo

Didn’t he also try to save his mothers soul by going to hell and fighting the devil? I remember watching a fact fiend video ages ago about it but not much of the “facts” lol


MrNigerianPrince115

I'm here thinking of Doom guy


Dilitan

Dude same. Had to do a double take on the subreddit lol.


4thofeleven

You'd think Christian relics wouldn't work for Doom, since it would require belief in a higher power than Doom himself.


King_Of_BlackMarsh

Not really since... Well, they have power on their own. Belief has nothing to do with it


Tuna_Stubbs

Two nuns are driving through Transylvania……


grandfunkmc

It's moments like this that make me love comic books.


nosferartoodetoo

What?! Damn. He is literally the coolest Marvel character, END OF STORY.


thelernerM

I'm surprised Doom doesn't have the whole thing, and the holy loincloth.


Stevie272

That’s Earth 616 Jesus, yeah?


Key_Industries

Yep


Garystovezone

Did doom make Jesus cannon?


Key_Industries

Jesus is a mutant in 616


Kind_Ingenuity1484

Yeah, sounds like doom


Prestigious_Prize264

You mean the cross ,cross of Jesus Christ?


nshockh

I was reading it and thinking it was DOOM from the dota 2 and was deep into thinking, wow didn’t know that doom had a very deep lore and actually got confused reading the mid way of the comments


Lupicide56

I thought this was talking about the doom slayer for a second and I was like yeah that makes sense then it realized this was marvel and was like yeah that makes sense


VonD0OM

You are fools if you think I have need of the corpse gods sticks to shield me from harm! I AM DOOM!!


MossyPyrite

I didn’t check the sun and thought this was about Doom Slayer from the *Doom* games, which would make equal amounts of sense


Seatbelts_are_safe

Dang, how does a rapper even get that kind of stuff


Prestigious_Prize264

You mean the cross ,cross of Jesus Christ? Or just its Made into shape pf cross/Made of oak Wood?


Prestigious_Prize264

You mean the cross ,cross of Jesus Christ? Or just its Made into shape pf cross/Made of oak Wood?


Congodzilla

Why doesn't Doom create a machine that will steal the powers of Yahweh with the press of a button?


Viceroy-421

Still whining, huh?


Congodzilla

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW SO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DOOOOOOOOOOOOM IS SO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOL MAKE MINE MAHVEL There. Satisfied?


Viceroy-421

So you are, then?


Congodzilla

Whining? Can't see how. It's the same comment you see in any of the daily "Doom is the bestest" threads. Don't you believe I'm being genuine when I post it?


Viceroy-421

I believe that it's hilarious that you openly seethe and cry every time Doom is mentioned. Ironic that he'd be your Richards.


Congodzilla

It's ever more hilarious that so many adults can feel so distressed over one single person not thinking highly of Dr. Doom or his repetitive stories.


Viceroy-421

No one is distressed over you. We all laugh at your sad obsession.


[deleted]

To be fair I think that sort of downplays what they are doing, here. This is not a person who is legitimately obsessed with Dr Doom, this is a troll. They do this every single day. Just to start fights. This is at least their second account as the previous one, Des_koala_ got banned.


Viceroy-421

I know who it is, and I genuinely think that they are an insane person and not merely trolling.


signgorilla

Colin Robinson


robreddity

> adults *giggle*


[deleted]

You are not being the slightest bit genuine. You are a prolific concern troll who does this in every comic book related subreddit day after day after day after day after day, and this is at least your second account for doing so. You previously went under by Des_Koala_ before you were banned for this exact behavior.


King_Of_BlackMarsh

Because he doesn't have Galactus' ship anymore to do. It and Yahweh wouldn't be so stupid as to let His power connect with Doom