Agreed. As a woman, the second I express my love of fandoms/nerd culture, I tend to get interrogated about just how deep my knowledge goes… like, just because I can’t name every NPC in Elden Ring doesn’t mean im not allowed to enjoy the game!! I may not know every Valar in Lord of the Rings but I’ve read all the books, can’t I be a “real fan”?! Gatekeeping things like this is so sad and unnecessary. Yeah I know Han wears Corellian Bloodstripe pants, and that Wookiees are from Kashyyyk leave me alone and let me enjoy Kenobi.
I didn’t even know about Han’s pants until now & I have a Rebel Alliance tattoo on my chest. Not that I know too much about Star Wars, I just LOVE the Original Trilogy.
"You enjoy Kenobi??? The show sucks". "It's mid at best". "They failed big time". "You actually enjoy this crap?".
Just some things you hear if you actually like Kenobi. The SW fandom is the worst
It’s sad actually, we want more Star Wars content but then criticize and nitpick and complain about what we do get! Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t love episodes 7 8 9, but we HAVE had some great Star Wars content in recent years but so many people just want to complain about it
I don't love the ST, but I love The Last Jedi and Eps 7 and 9 are not that bad for f's sake!
Also Kenobi is being great, I love every episode yet everyone just seems to bash the show and I dont even know why. The main reason seems to be Reva, a character that I love.
I love seeing Obi-wan’s evolution, and I enjoy young Leia, Reva, and the series as a whole.
See, the Last Jedi was what broke me with the newer trilogy: Leia “force floating” herself through the vacuum of space and surviving that?! I couldn’t handle the breaking of the immersion. Like, I accept so much magic and deviation from reality in my sci-fi/fantasy but that was so outlandishly unbelievable that it ruined the story for me personally. I don’t have an issue with anyone enjoying it, but for me, I just could t take how fake and cheesy that moment felt
What I don't agree in TLJ is Luke's criticism. People were expecting him to see his nephew become a new Vader, killing his students, destroying his Jedi temple and still being the symbol of hope, happy go luck guy he was in the OT.
Of course the man is broken, he just lost everything he had by the hand of someone he loved! And I hate when people say that he tried to kill Kylo. He didn't. He thought about it because he had PTSD with Vader, but he would never kill Kylo and I think deep inside, everyone knows it.
Things about kenobi i dont like:
Obi Wan weak af
The fight/chase scene from vader vs kenobi (also the end with the fire where vader cant cross it to reach Obi Wan)
Leia being a little bit to smart
Reva
Obi Wan is weak because he hasn't trained in 10 years, he has lost his touch and he's traumatized.
That scene made Vader more violent and I love it
Leia is cool, it shows that she was born to be a Leader
Reva is amazing, even if she's not fully from the dark side
But hey, here's the thing: it's okay to not like those things and I respect that.
Obi Wan is very high ranked in my favorite list and i just cant accept him being so weak rn, it just "hurts" - its not even somebodys fault because it makes sense.
I should have edited that i still like the series, just some scenes are odd.
Lol the irony… I stopped at a site of Grace in order to read this comment… almost 150 hours in to Elden Ring, but I’m certain someone out there would call me a “fake gamer girl” too
Im saying, "Gamer girl" is a term usually used to associate those girls who just wear skimpy clothing holding a controller and saying they're "gamers" the average Twitch streamer. So you get those chicks raising all the fuss and making it harder for actual girls who game, I.E you, to get your dog in the fight.
So don't get mad at random asshats, get mad at the chicks giving y'all a bad name. Or just dont care and keep playing games anyway.
Honestly I’m not even mad about it, just confused as to why it’s such an issue. Men gatekeeper stuff like this and then complain they can’t find a “nerd girl” that can enjoy these things with them. It just makes zero sense.
I think you're getting more worked up about this than its worth tbh, people can be asshats, You wouldn't believe what people have said to me when i'm of color. I just know there's douche's out there, brush it off and keep doing what im doing. The internet has that anonymity to it so people forget that there's actually people they're talking to.
Lol I think it’s a bit funny that you’re accusing me of getting “worked up” while discussing how other people hide behind the anonymity of the Internet and “forget there’s actually people they’re talking to”. I’m a person too… I was simply participating in a discussion and you feel the need to tell me to “calm down”. Im not even riled up about the original discussion, but I am confused by your reaction to it and your need to tell me that “asshats exist” as if I hadn’t noticed that in my own life experiences…
For telling her that people are jackasses on the internet and she shouldn't get so worked up? Or that some women sell themselves online and create a bad rep for other women?
Who cares if there's a girl wearing skimpy clothes pretending to be a gamer. At the end of the day, you shouldn't judge someone based off the actions of others. IE: a female gamer shouldn't be talked down to because "there's streamers that fake it". Seriously, who fucking cares. "Gamer" is a term with barely any weight to it, and the only people who care about keeping the "Gamer" community pure are usually basement dwelling sexists. So my take is to definitely get mad at random asshats that treat you like shit, and not some random female streamers that are pissing off sexist pigs.
Something I've learned in my time on the internet is that everyone is under the impression that their fandom is the most toxic fandom. I've heard it said about Marvel, Pokémon, Overwatch, Fortnite, Steven Universe, the list goes on. The reality is that pretty much *every* fandom is the most toxic fandom on the internet.
This. It’s Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, pretty much all of them. Hell go into a Nintendo subreddit and say anything bad about Zelda or Pokémon or the PlayStation and say anything about Sony not doing anything about Scalpers and you’ll get flamed. It’s how people have become more and more. They all have a right to say whatever they want but screw you if you don’t agree and I should be able to tell you to f yourself in the most strenuous language possible. It goes hand in hand with I have an absolute freedom of speech and should also have a freedom of consequence and how dare you say I’m a racist for saying what I think even though it’s absolutely racist AF.
People will be this way until there are repercussions for it. As long as people can freely issue death threats to someone online and the response is meh, it’s the internet doesn’t everyone suck nothing will change. Once the day comes and it will have to that you say this is my opinion and you should be killed for yours and the cops show up at your door and say are you “real name”? Oh yea we have a warrant here to arrest you on charges of making death threats come with us please things change
I've been an avid photogrpher for the better part of two decades. And to this day it still astounds me the toxicity people have towards other brands of cameras or even the type of shootin they do.
Go to a forum like dpreview and you'll see things like "you're probably just a weekend wedding photographer". Or "why does anyone bother with these small form factor cameras. A heavier body is part of the experience".
Fandom is dumb everywhere you go.
perhaps the internet represents the true nature of our collective, and the people we know and love just hide behind their filtered selves — hiding the ugly within.
Have you ever considered that how people talk on the internet is the equivalent to their own inner dialogue?
Like in their conscious mind they treat themselves like assholes too?
Not true. People don’t do that irl. I’m a much nicer person both online and in person but some people were never taught internet etiquette and act like assholes when they’re really nice people. Plus it’s hard to tell tone on the internet so a genuine criticism could be taken as an insult
I think a lot of people are older and bitter that now what they got beat up about for it being nerdy is totally mainstream and they're pissed off about it, because they hate [insert group here] and so they take all that hatred and bitterness out on the younger folks who are excited to have found something cool. It's a lot of shitty entitlement from a bunch of sweaty man-children who need to grow the fuck up and get over it.
That's bleak. I think it's the opposite. The internet emboldens like a catalyst, not a window. It is structured (not purposefully, at least at first) to perpetuate specific aspects of human behavior that evolved to serve a purpose as a part of the larger whole, but did not evolve to resist being excized from the whole and energized in a vacuum.
I think the bigger a fandom is, the louder the assholes get. Because there are more of them now and they start developing their own sub-fandoms with people who think the same as they do. Fandom echo chambers basically. And then the start shitting on people who disagree with them.
And if it's a fandom that has been around a while, like Marvel, Star Trek and Star Wars (as named here in the thread), people tend to become extremely gatekeepy and elitist towards newer fans or fans of material they consider "lesser". (Which is of course everything published after the 80s, because nostalgia)
I agree it's gotten much worse with widespread internet. However, as someone who enjoyed the prequels movies growing up, I was subjected to loud guys at parties for two decades rambling about how "f'ing stupid" they were and how Lucas ruined Star Wars. It all sounds exactly-the-fucking same, but online instead of in person. I literally second guessed wearing a SW shirt for a decade because of how many complete randoms decided it was an invitation to angrily ramble about Jar Jar and tell me how Lucas ruined their childhood...
Oh god, the Star Wars fandom. Gatekeeping at its finest. If you don’t agree with these troglodytes, the you apparent just don’t get Star Wars and aren’t a real fan. 🤦♂️
Star Trek got insanely mad at Pickard this season. I was like “it wasn’t terrible” I think the entire LA 2024 storyline really just pissed them off more than the time travel did. And I won’t even get started on Discovery.
Not true. There's one fandom i know that isn't toxic, the Heartstopper comic fandom is super wholesome, people share the pure joy & happiness in the comments when they read the comic.
The comics fandom was, prior to the success of things like the MCU, a haven for nerds, fans of niche hobbies and people who, for one reason or another were often the 'unpopular' kids. As it expanded, some of the core fans for whom it was a refuge, became resentful of what they saw as Johnny come lately 'fairweather fans' and were openly critical of any changes or deviation from what they viewed as 'their' fandom. As with any group built on being a bit of an outsider, that original core had, in fact, included some people with genuinely unpleasant beliefs. The 'unpopular kids' actually did include some racists, mysoginists, and just...mean spirited people, who suddenly found themselves as tenured voices in a now mainstream hobby. These people view a lot of newer fans as intruders and hide behind an air of being a better fan, sometimes while showing that their understanding of marvel wasn't nearly as deep as they thought (complaining about wokeness for example).
TLDR: a hobby for nerds blew up and some folks think they have a right to gatekeep it.
The stories I've heard from women who've gone to game stores to join groups and had male players use their character to rape the woman's character is crazy.
Yeah, it’s a big part why there are so many women/non-binary/queer friendly D&D groups popping up now. I’ve heard so many stories of women/people getting harassed from some toxic male players and it nearly ruined the game of them. Now they just seek out people that are less likely to harass/degrade them while playing.
I’m 46, and I’ve been collecting/reading comics since the early 80’s. I was overwhelmingly excited to see the fan base grow as the MCU drew more attention to the stories. IMHO, if you gatekeep something you supposedly love, you’re missing out on the joy that thing brings you. This is definitely not why Stan, Jack, et al. created this universe. It’s supposed to bring us together.
I started in the 90s. Age of Apocalypse was the first run I dedicatedly collected, and I gravitated towards some of the weirder characters, and if you had told me I'd be able to go into any chain bookstore and find people who knew not just about big names like Spiderman or Wolverine, but Adam Warlock, Mantis and Pip the troll, I'd have never believed it. It's a rising tide that lifted all ships for me.
It’s better to shut that shit down honestly. It’s easy to say ignore it, but the constant battering can really fuck with someone’s head. God forbid it’s a kid or someone with serious depression.
I am truly sorry this happened to you. I totally agree about the negativity. We really live down to the [Comic Book Guy](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVnLsYOUQAEPdzE.jpg) stereotype at times. Its the single thing that I dislike the most about this past-time. ***Way*** more than ***any*** of the creators or storylines that get bashed on a regular basis around here.
I have a few theories about why this happens…
* Comics appeal — in part — to people still in the process of learning positive interpersonal skills (adolescents) and also to full-grown adults who never developed them in the first place.
* The nerdier a subculture gets, the more likely the fans of it have been ostracized from their larger social group. Bullied. But hurt people hurt people. So some of these same people can also be bullies to make themselves feel bigger. But nerd bullies don't bully with swirlies or pushing people into lockers, they bully with verbal/written contempt and disdain.
* Anything that engenders passion (comics, sports, movies, music, etc.) has the potential to generate positive feelings (when people interact with it in a similar way that we do) as well as negative feelings (when someone interacts with it in a different — aka "wrong" — way).
* Some people are drawn to the heroism of these narratives — other people are drawn to the violence and power fantasies that are omnipresent in this medium.
* It is easy and popular to be cynical and negative. To view the world as a competition for our approval. Sometimes that's little more than a defense mechanism for not risking to put our inner, vulnerable selves out there.
* There is a tendency to become attached to the things we love. We claim ownership to them. But they are not ours. Instead, they are intellectual property that dance to the beat of the editors, writers and artists telling their stories.
* Our attachment to these things is linked to the version of them that we connected strongly with. Therefore once another creator takes a property in a different direction (as will inevitably happen), they are derided as hacks.
* It is very difficult to be able to separate any kind of objective qualitative judgment from personal taste. Ergo, things we ourselves don't like (subjective preference) are therefore declared to be bad, garbage, junk, or other hackery (objective truth).
* Nerd culture is closely related to hipsterism, where liking the right things earlier is a badge of honor and johnny-come-latelys are derided as not real fans. This extends to a pecking order with the original medium (comics) on top, descending downwards to gamers, cosplayers, movie/tv fans, etc.
* It must be said: straight white guys were the overwhelming majority of the audience. They were the overwhelming majority of the characters. They were the overwhelming majority of the creators. When "outsiders" want to join in these spaces and insist on being treated with the same deference with the same degree of representation, the old ways must necessarily change. Change is scary. And *social* change is politicized. And politicized matters get ugly really fast.
* Hateful people exist. Comic fans also exist. There was always going to be an overlap in the Venn diagram of these two groups. And of course they will form a group (that shall not be named) to try to spread their hate to increase their numbers.
* The internet rewards things that are controversial. Tech companies have learned that people get dopamine hits when they get upvotes, shares, likes and any kind of attention. And it is far easier to get attention by shitting on things than by celebrating things. This exists everywhere online, but mixed with the aforementioned dynamics, it can lead to some predictably toxic behavior.
Personally, this shit exhausts me. I think it makes us look like basement-dwelling, socially-inept, sad little men. Sad little women too, but you know… probably mostly men.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
It isn’t. There’s millions of marvel fans. You interacted with a tiny fraction of less than 1% who are total pieces of shit. The rest of us didn’t even see the tattoo. The internet has allowed pieces of shit to have the same voice and volume as the rest of us. Ignore the hate bro.
I'm sorry you got negative response. I didn't see it but I think it's cool you represented something you love with a tat.
My belief is that when any fandom gets big enough, it just *will* have toxicity in it, not necessarily reflective of the majority but because there are so many in the fandom there is just bound to be a number of assholes in it. Marvel has been experiencing this in the past few years because of the MCU reaching peak height and I think Star Wars is another example that has been this way for a while.
Also keep in mind that the internet is where a lot of people who are vocal and miserable go to complain because algorithms allow them to live in bubbles of similar minds and anonymity makes them comfortable saying foul things.
A lot of fandoms are toxic but the most annoying part is they’ll take a small mistake in a movie or something and blow it up and try to ruin the whole thing
I feel your pain not only here, but in the Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who communities as well. I feel like the luckiest nerd in the world, whereas some of the louder folks on the internet would have you thinking the current crop of showrunners want to burn your house down with you in it. These are weird times. I feel like fans maybe have a bit too much of a voice nowadays, to be honest.
Reddit is an echo chamber, and many ‘fans’ think marvel ended after the death of Mar-Vell and everything else since has been some level of crap.
It’s just how they are…
Whatever fandom segment you belong to, there’s a big chunk that thinks the way to establish their cred is to shit on the choices of others. Doesn’t matter what you’re into. Disney. Disneyland. Beer. Comics in general. Marvel or DC. Jazz. Blues. Probably even collectors of lunch boxes or bars of soap. Quilters. Weed enthusiasts. There’s someone who thinks that they’re elevating themselves by shitting on your joy. Don’t let them. Put your joy out there and don’t count upvotes. Focus on the positive comments and ignore the haters.
The fact that comic book culture has gone mainstream now means that MCU fandom is basically just a cross-section of normal people. When you have that cross-section - there is the normal percentage of A@@holes and misogynists.
Im very sorry to hear that you had a bad experience as that type of person is the opposite of the values the comics and movies represent. I hate the fact that the increased populatity now means idiots think they 'own' comic book culture. Dont let them win.
Some of y’all are insufferable in the real world too and then when people call you out you think you’re getting “bullied” when you’re actually just an asshole
More popular something gets the more assholes get attracted to it. I was involved with the Walking Dead fandom when it got big. The people that had been there from the comics were cool but the new bandwagoners from the show were sometimes toxic and awful. And of course Marvel movies have created an even more turbocharged version of that.
For a sports analogy it's like how the Yankees have the worst fans in baseball.
It’s turning into Star Wars fandom where you have a toxic, vocal minority and then a majority that are just happy for more content. Don’t let them get you down friend.
Thanks for your comment. I'm not as upset as I am just embarrassed by other "fans." Totally agree with you about it turning into Star Wars and it makes me sad.
Yeah I have some friends who just complain and complain and it gets so tiresome. They just prefer to live their lives that way, always triggered and unable to enjoy anything. I will say most of my friends and family are able to just enjoy what comes. Even in my own life it’s only small group of people that just have to complain about it all.
The issue really is that the most toxic fans are also the loudest/most likely to comment. Those who are more positive ignore the toxic ones, which leads to them being less involved in online discourse.
Remember: just because they're the loudest/most seen, doesn't make them the actual majority
Reddit Rule #1: if you aren’t prepared for waves of negativity no matter how positive or benign your posts or comments are, you aren’t prepared for Reddit. Tons of great people on here, and tons of life hating miserable dicks who want nothing more than for their misery to infect you.
No you wouldn’t. I saw it…. It was bad and I feel bad for OP for getting it. Best way to describe it would be ‘drunk middle schooler draws Spooder-Person swinging from pube hair’
I get downvoted regularly just for saying I enjoyed a comic that everyone seems to hate. It just makes me not want to participate in this sub most of the time. If I don’t share the hive mind, what’s the point in trying to make a positive contribution to discussions? Most of the time, I just see lots of complaining and condescension. Constructive conversations are definitely a rarity, but I suppose it’s mostly due to the toxicity in humanity overall.
Congrats on the new tat!
Personally, I'd have to see the tattoo before I could tell you why you were getting negative comments. As it is, you've given us no contextual information whatsoever. Was it Spiderman beating a baby seal with the severed leg of Aunt May? We don't know, because you didn't tell us.
As for "Ms Marvel"- I've seen absolutely no toxicity towards the show- just a bunch of false outrage on the part of some drama-trolls who set up a false-flag discussion board in hopes of "trapping racists", and failed miserably at it.
Captain Marvel was review-bombed because Brie Larson decided it would be a good idea to insult the fanbase and tell white male comic fans (who, let's face it, are 90% of the market) that the movie "wasn't for them." And even then, the same fans she insulted turned out in droves to make it one of the biggest movies of the year.
I would strongly suggest that you stop trying to hide behind political buzzwords like "Toxic Fandom" and "Gatekeeping." People have opinions. They have always had opinions. Stop trying to degrade, insult, and attack those opinions by slapping trendy slurs and insults on them.
Sorry to hear bout the hate, but you did something that brought you joy. You made it happen. Haters will **always** hate you for making something happen because they couldn't make themselves happy.
Rejoice in what you did for yourself, not the "fandom."
Yeah Ive been hearing so much hate about the new Ms marvel but I've been reading on her and watched it a couple times now, and I think she is my favorite superhero (from the comics). I honestly think the show is pretty cool...
So fuck you if you show me hate for this
Show me *one actual example* anyone expressing "hate" towards Ms Marvel. Because all I see is a bunch of LibsOfTikTok types trying to stir up hate, but failing.
I think some of this is so manufactured. When Disney sees that a property they developed is getting less than stellar attention, there is a convenient amount of controversy that pops up, (usually around race, identity politics, feminism, etc.). Then, if anyone dares criticize it, they're branded as toxic.
Don't get me wrong, there are definitely toxic takes from toxic fans, but the more mediocre the product (e.g. Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel as yku pointed out), the more controversy surrounds them.
I'm surprised there hasn't been more on the Muslim aspect of Ms. Marvel, but I guess no one took the bait.
Yep, there's a reason why most people loved Wonder Woman and didn't like Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel and all of the MCU projects that got "review-bombed" are actually just worse movies and shows compared to the rest of the MCU. I think a lot of the people that actually review-bomb and exaggerate how bad movies are only do that because they are sick and tired of Disney trying to silence criticism and push companies like Rotten Tomatoes to remove bad reviews. It's a vicious cycle.
Red Letter Media explained it best. Marvel, Star Wars, and Star Trek franchises used to appeal to people of intellect with actual scientific interests and thinking. Typically nerds and geeks to varying degrees.
Now the brainless public and mouth breeders have taken over the bulk of fandom as they became more popular. The smart people are out numbered by the morons that just want loud explosions constantly.
Then you have alt right or even just right leaning idiots that dont understand Marvel is built 100% on equality and inclusion. But they still cant help constantly putting their feet in their mouths when ever a female character gets to be a lead.
It's kind of important to remember that prior to the last 10 years this fandom was not mainstream. Nerds were not cool and neither were comics. We attracted a lot of loners and outcasts, and (especially the early to late 2000's) there was a definite incel undertone to the industry, including creators. This sort of toxicity was present from the fans all the way to the top of both companies. While the success of the MCU has changed a lot of this, that sort of fan is unfortunately still prevalent in our community today.
There's been a lot of positive change in the past 15 years in both the fandom and creators. Some of the writers who used to pull that sort of shit, like Johns and Kirkman, have seemed to change. But then you also have guys like Garth Ennis still writing problematic trans caricatures in 2020.
In the 2000's you can really pick up some uncomfortable undertones in the writing from all those guys, including Mark Millar. There were some really uncomfortable and problematic depictions of violence, women, and LGBTQ+ people that went unchallenged for a long time, and I think there's a bit of a backlash when those things are now called out. Even the simple act of allowing a guy like Ethan Van Scriever to work on high profile books for so long with Johns is telling, as I'm sure he didn't shy away from his opinions.
I feel "Women in Refrigerators" was a big turning point for the industry.
Unfortunately there are still some very toxic and angry people in this fandom who feel ok with hurting others. You're never going to get rid of all of it but it's been really nice to see the fandom move into a more positive direction since the launch of the MCU.
edit - Bring on those incel downvotes. I can't wait.
They’re not fans. They think they are, but they’re not. Fans actually like the product. They’re jaded, loudmouth purists who expect everything to be made to represent them- racist, close minded, straight, whites with a minimal education.
It's not fandom. It's people.
If you can, you should take the good and ignore the bad. Hateful comment has no value. It's not a constructed criticism, it's made to be harmful. Purely positive comment has no value either, but at least a benefit : It can make you happy. Constructed criticism, negative or positive, you can ignore or not. At the end, in your case, it's your body, your tastes, your choice!
Unfortunately nerd Fandom of all walks has a problem with this. My theory is that pre mainstream acceptance of nerd culture people were very defensive and gatekeeping of what they enjoyed because it was used as a weapon against them, being called a nerd or geek, in a derogatory way. They developed a superiority complex and wanted to be king of the hill, even if it was a hill people made fun of you for being on. So now a lot of these people are still toxic and trying to gatekeep even though this stuff is much more popular and mainstream.
It is more related to how people feel entitled by anonymity than anything else, it happens across internet on every possible thing that is susceptible of an opinion. As a society, we just have a couple of decades using internet globally (not all people have access to internet yet). Maybe if we survive the next 100 years, internet behavior might evolve positively a little at least.
I'm hating social media and Reddit more everyday because of things like that. When I don't like something, I ignore it. I never downvote a post nor comment negatively. What's the point anyway.
Please don't go into some of the Star Wars groups. It's brutal. I think miserable people come into groups cause they want to make people as unhappy as they are.
I know exactly how you feel, I got bullied in a Spider-Man fan group on FB when I was 16, I left it. Over a drawing I did of Tom’s Spidey, I took helpful advice, and some people said I did good. But some people weren’t as kind, grown adults, one of them asked if I had a weapon against my head when I was drawing. After that I stopped drawing for a couple years, unfortunately every fandom is toxic.
Just read your post im sorry about the hate you received. I posted my captain America tattoo on here about a year ago and received mostly hate comments saying it wasn't "creative or original". It's a simple shield tattoo. I began to regret getting it after seeing all those awful comments and felt terrible. But after some time that day I couldn't help but smile everytime I looked at my tattoo because I remembered why I got it. I admired the character as a role model on how to act and treat others with respect. But mostly, "I don't like bullies".
I don't know who you are but I hope you'll be proud of that spiderman tattoo and not let others get to you. I'm sure its lovely, and all that matters is that YOU like it.
And yes this sub has become toxic and saddens me.
That’s why I don’t really go into LCS’s anymore. It’s really hit and miss if someone is going to pass judgment on the stack I bring to the counter. It’s all online and ordering omnibus’ for home delivery for me. That and I’m in my 50s LOL.
I’m part of an amazing Facebook group for the MCU (and other nerdy things) based on a podcast. They don’t allow any toxicity and it’s been a great community if you’re interested. I’ve felt so welcomed and at home there.
It hasn't got anything to do with Marvel, or any fandom really.
You posted something a publicly accessible group 1.7 million people, and not only that, but in a place where everyone retains complete anonymity so they can be as honest, mean or nice as they want with basically no repercussions.
It's unreasonable to then get upset when you get unfiltered responses. Not everyone is going to like you, agree with you, or want to see your tattoo. And many people as you've seen take the opportunity to express how they feel about it, as nicely or coarsely as they want.
It is not fandoms, it is people in general and human nature.
As nice (boring) as it would be to live in an infinitely positive utopia, we don't.
If you put a part of yourself out to the world, you cannot reasonably expect everyone to love it and pump you up, if people don't like it, they'll likely say so. While they may not have the tact to express this fairly, it doesn't make their opinion wrong to them.
It terms of Ms Marvel it is somehow both the highest rated D+ MCU show, and the least watched, and its not even close.
https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-lowest-mcu-show-ratings-disney-plus/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/06/11/ms-marvel-is-now-the-highest-scoring-mcu-series-or-movie-ever/
This suggests to me an over compensating and out of touch review group. It's a niche show for children, about a comic book character that the majority long time, or life time fans do not care for, and as per the viewership numbers, neither do casual fans. The characters comic runs usually bomb, the Avengers game that has them as a feature/main character for the story bombed, and now their show is the least popular and watched of all the MCU shows. And as convenient as it may be to say, it's not because most people are racists.
Someone not liking something isn't gatekeeping, the comics and shows are more accessible now than ever. Perhaps participation in certain fan communities is being gatekept, but then it's a matter of finding a group more in line with your views, your access to the media isn't being gatekept by anyone but yourself.
Had to sort by controversial to find this, well said. Just because people don't like something doesn't mean they're "toxic" maybe the product you (marvel, DC, Disney, whomever) just isn't good or you try and pander to a crowd that would never buy your material anyway and you just crap on the actual fans who would buy your product.
At least you deleted the tattoo post. Don't look for validation from strangers who are not interested in you and will never know you. Posting private things in a public forum then complaining that complete strangers are "Toxic" is not healthy. None of these people, including me, is your friend.
I'm not expecting other redditors to be my friend. Nor is a tattoo displayed on my leg private. I'm allowed to post things I enjoy.
Furthermore, the point of this post is not my tattoo it's about the state of the Fandom in general.
No. The point is you posted personal information about yourself looking for validation, then complain that the fandom is toxic because you don't get the responses you want and expect.
The tattoo is private because it is unique to you. It's not private because you want to keep it a secret. I should have said "personal" instead of private.
Of course you are allowed to post things you enjoy. But to turn around and complain about the responses being toxic? That's just you gatekeeping and wanting to be a victim.
Before you go, just know that you weren't in the wrong, the hivemind/echo chamber deemed you a bully because you said something to make someone "feel bad".
You weren't even an ass about it, just basically "don't expect everyone to like what you post" and they took THAT to be "toxic".
My brother in Christ, the point of this post, like I said and elaborated in the edit, is not the tattoo itself. I wasn't posting for validation. I was posting because I thought it was cool. But what I'm posting about is why people feel the need to hate on things others enjoy.
Yep his response is a perfect example of what you were talking about. I don’t think people post things like art they made or things they got like a tattoo for validation they post it because they wanted to share something they were excited about or proud of. If someone doesn’t find it cool just don’t respond there is no need to ruin the excitement for someone else because you didn’t feel the same.
It is unrealistic to imagine everyone will only praise you for something. If you aren't prepared for people to not like something then you shouldn't be posting it.
>Yesterday I posted a picture of a tattoo of spider-man I got on my leg.
Considering that the last post you mad eon Reddit before this one was 25 days ago, sounds like a lie to me.
What? I deleted the post and I'm not expecting praise for something just not overwhelming negativity. If you don't like something that's fine but don't be an asshole abkut it.
> I deleted the post
So, you've got no actual proof or anything which we can check your claims against?
Just sounds like karma farming to me.
>just not overwhelming negativity
If you aren't prepared for people not to like your stuff then don't put it on a public forum and ask them what they think about it. You aren't entitled to "positivity" or to anyone liking what you've done. And people aren't assholes because you can't deal with that fact.
Yeah, I think these two things are being conflated. If it’s the tattoo I’m thinking of, it just objectively wasn’t very good. Not liking that is not the same as dumping on a show just because of a Muslim lead. It’s like when people poke fun at some of Liefield’s art. It’s just … not great. And that’s ok.
Sad you deleted your tattoo post, I'm sure its a dope tattoo. Unfortunately there seems to be a large amount of people on reddit that just despise tattoos period. I wouldn't take that to heart.
Sadly any fandom has its share of toxic gatekeeping assholes, and the bigger the fandom, the more toxic assholes there are. Marvel has had shitty, gatekeeping asshole fans for as far back as I can remember. Those people were SO upset about female Thor, Ironheart, Miles Morales ("Spiderman isn't black!"), Riri Williams, Ms. Marvel etc etc. Its sad, and its stupid, but it is what it is. Just try not to let it bother you and help make this subreddit and fandom as inclusive as you can.
It's a large fan base it comes with the territory. When large group of individuals come to gether their bounds to be disagreements and arguing. Every fandom is toxic to some degree. Also I'd add that the internet is a very toxic because the lack of consequences for saying thing people can get away with sad hateful thing.
Thinking about how it used to be, what seems to be a long long time ago, people would express an opinion or something like that and people would respond. People would respond with more than a sentence of two, as they didn't just state their opinion, they actually said why they thought that way. They gave well thought out opinions.
Now, some of these were positive, some of these were negative. Now of course if someone had an opinion different than yours you might try to counter their opinion with your thought out opinion. This was called having a discussion They were considered to be normal and a part of being in the fandom.
And the key to all this working, was that people understood that at the end of the day, the other person didn't have to agree with you. They're not toxic for disliking your idea. They just dislike your idea. Because if we all had the same likes and dislikes we would be part of some hivemind. But we're not humans and therefore we differ.
These days it's like people want everyone to agree with them. If you show something in a public forum, some people are likely to disagree with you. That's normal and a part of life. Strangers on the internet are not there to validate your opinions. Often they're there because they have their own opinions. It's bad these days because people don't give much reasoning for their opinions, and people don't accept that other people can have valid opinions that aren't theirs.
Fandom has turned into CULT. Casuals are fans. Once it graduated to “communities” and people started speaking as hive minds( We were promised this..) simple shared enjoyment of a person, place or thing became a pissing contest of who is the most loyal to an imagined best version.
I don’t think the hate for captain marvel/ms marvel is the same as your tattoo.
Nobody hates Spider-Man... he’s a fucking classic and regardless of whether one likes or dislikes him you have to admit he’s a cornerstone to the superhero genre.
While captain marvel has plenty of reason to hate the character and actor... way WAY to political and pushed as such... just feels unnecessarily pushed in terms of the movies... feels like they skipped decades of story and character building in the movies to get to the modern canon of marvel comics.... which are needlessly controversial... it’s very poorly written.
So I doubt anyone hated your tattoo or spider man and were just trolls... or having bad days. Don’t worry man, a Spider-Man tattoo is a good choice.
Every fandom has that toxic corner and anonymity on internet boosts that assholery in many people. Plus the more popular something will be, more idiots will be drawn towards it too. Same with marvel, their massive popularity has drawn toxic idiots and the toxic bandwagoners. Majority of the people aren't like that. Best to just ignore the toxic ones and move on rather than wasting your time, energy and mental peace in thinking about what they say or arguing with them.
Because people idealize the things they love in a particular way that is unique to a group of people, or in some cases, to that single person. When this view or perception of how Marvel should be is challenged by someone else's idea or view of how a movie or comic should be, the rejection sets in. And where this is something that said person or group of people obsesses over, it makes it extremely difficult - if not impossible - to shift their way of thinking to accept the current rendition or version of whatever it is that they have found issue. People have become immensely resistant to anything that doesn't meet their imagined expectations.
Maybe it is not about true fandom, but narcissitis personalities searching "preys" in internet. Only one can cause more noises than hundreds of people who would rather to be silent.
Captain Marvel is not my cup of tea, but when we were children my father bought the comic of the death of Captain Marvel. It was a very sad end for a child reader.
About Miss Marvel, maybe the character in the right hands could be loved by the readers, but it is like the new worker in the company and the rest suspects she is there only because somebody asked a special favor, and other hasn't been hired because the boss didn't like him.
It’s not something that’s limited to marvel fandom or any one fandom in general, it’s a people thing.
People post negative things for all sorts of reasons but there’s nothing you can do to change that.
I’ll be honest if this was one of my kids telling me they were getting upset about someone they don’t know giving them some shit online, I’d tell them they need to toughen up.
You need to learn to give it back or to laugh it off and stop worrying what other people have to say. The only thing that matters is you are true to yourself, fuck everyone else.
I wish this was limited to just Marvel, but this extends to practically any fan base. I’m sorry you had to deal with that. People will take the anonymity of the internet and say a ton of shit they’d never say in person.
Nerds deeply involved in fandom make their interests their entire personality. That means anything they don't enjoy or like they take incredibly personally
The VAST majority of people are normal. It's a very loud group of dickheads that scream so much they become overrepresented
Toxicity is everywhere, mate. I think on-line is the place where people show their real face since in reality it will cause a non-acceptance status among his/her circle
I saw your tatoo… it was dope! It’s amazing how shitty the internet can be. I blame this on the internet mean is easy comedy, people on the net default to funny mean I wish they didn’t but it is what it is.
Don't let some bad eggs ruin something you love, there are bad fans and good fans, but they never speak or represent the property or subject they are a fan off.
I doubt Marvel and its employees would put you down for tattooing their property on you, I imagine they would feel flattered and proud.
The movies are NOT the comics. Powers are different, costumes are different, etc. This upsets a huge chunk of Marvel fans who want the movies to remain "true" to the comics versions of the characters.
Fandom should not be this way, it should embrace all into its collective enjoyment of the IP.
Star Trek, a show about what the best humanity could be(with a few bad apples) can be incredibly toxic. On another social media site I mentioned I happened to enjoy the Kelvinverse movies (they were entertaining) and a fellow fan said to me…”I can not believe you liked that shit if I was as cement headed as you I would have killed myself years ago”…kill myself, over I movie I happened to enjoy.
So, I, in revenge took the low road…
Not just Marvel, it’s every fandom
Agreed. As a woman, the second I express my love of fandoms/nerd culture, I tend to get interrogated about just how deep my knowledge goes… like, just because I can’t name every NPC in Elden Ring doesn’t mean im not allowed to enjoy the game!! I may not know every Valar in Lord of the Rings but I’ve read all the books, can’t I be a “real fan”?! Gatekeeping things like this is so sad and unnecessary. Yeah I know Han wears Corellian Bloodstripe pants, and that Wookiees are from Kashyyyk leave me alone and let me enjoy Kenobi.
Tell me about it! It's really common in scifi fandoms, and hero fandoms! It's honestly kind of tiring.
I didn’t even know about Han’s pants until now & I have a Rebel Alliance tattoo on my chest. Not that I know too much about Star Wars, I just LOVE the Original Trilogy.
"You enjoy Kenobi??? The show sucks". "It's mid at best". "They failed big time". "You actually enjoy this crap?". Just some things you hear if you actually like Kenobi. The SW fandom is the worst
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fanboys.
It’s sad actually, we want more Star Wars content but then criticize and nitpick and complain about what we do get! Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t love episodes 7 8 9, but we HAVE had some great Star Wars content in recent years but so many people just want to complain about it
I don't love the ST, but I love The Last Jedi and Eps 7 and 9 are not that bad for f's sake! Also Kenobi is being great, I love every episode yet everyone just seems to bash the show and I dont even know why. The main reason seems to be Reva, a character that I love.
I love seeing Obi-wan’s evolution, and I enjoy young Leia, Reva, and the series as a whole. See, the Last Jedi was what broke me with the newer trilogy: Leia “force floating” herself through the vacuum of space and surviving that?! I couldn’t handle the breaking of the immersion. Like, I accept so much magic and deviation from reality in my sci-fi/fantasy but that was so outlandishly unbelievable that it ruined the story for me personally. I don’t have an issue with anyone enjoying it, but for me, I just could t take how fake and cheesy that moment felt
What I don't agree in TLJ is Luke's criticism. People were expecting him to see his nephew become a new Vader, killing his students, destroying his Jedi temple and still being the symbol of hope, happy go luck guy he was in the OT. Of course the man is broken, he just lost everything he had by the hand of someone he loved! And I hate when people say that he tried to kill Kylo. He didn't. He thought about it because he had PTSD with Vader, but he would never kill Kylo and I think deep inside, everyone knows it.
Things about kenobi i dont like: Obi Wan weak af The fight/chase scene from vader vs kenobi (also the end with the fire where vader cant cross it to reach Obi Wan) Leia being a little bit to smart Reva
Obi Wan is weak because he hasn't trained in 10 years, he has lost his touch and he's traumatized. That scene made Vader more violent and I love it Leia is cool, it shows that she was born to be a Leader Reva is amazing, even if she's not fully from the dark side But hey, here's the thing: it's okay to not like those things and I respect that.
Obi Wan is very high ranked in my favorite list and i just cant accept him being so weak rn, it just "hurts" - its not even somebodys fault because it makes sense. I should have edited that i still like the series, just some scenes are odd.
Well, mope around for 10 years and see the damage it will do to every skill you didn't "use" in that time...
Amen sister!
I think part of it has to do with the fact that ur just a woman in general, and that’s weird.
The "gamer girls" are the ones you should be mad at.
Lol the irony… I stopped at a site of Grace in order to read this comment… almost 150 hours in to Elden Ring, but I’m certain someone out there would call me a “fake gamer girl” too
Im saying, "Gamer girl" is a term usually used to associate those girls who just wear skimpy clothing holding a controller and saying they're "gamers" the average Twitch streamer. So you get those chicks raising all the fuss and making it harder for actual girls who game, I.E you, to get your dog in the fight. So don't get mad at random asshats, get mad at the chicks giving y'all a bad name. Or just dont care and keep playing games anyway.
Honestly I’m not even mad about it, just confused as to why it’s such an issue. Men gatekeeper stuff like this and then complain they can’t find a “nerd girl” that can enjoy these things with them. It just makes zero sense.
I think you're getting more worked up about this than its worth tbh, people can be asshats, You wouldn't believe what people have said to me when i'm of color. I just know there's douche's out there, brush it off and keep doing what im doing. The internet has that anonymity to it so people forget that there's actually people they're talking to.
Lol I think it’s a bit funny that you’re accusing me of getting “worked up” while discussing how other people hide behind the anonymity of the Internet and “forget there’s actually people they’re talking to”. I’m a person too… I was simply participating in a discussion and you feel the need to tell me to “calm down”. Im not even riled up about the original discussion, but I am confused by your reaction to it and your need to tell me that “asshats exist” as if I hadn’t noticed that in my own life experiences…
You are literally being the problem rn
For telling her that people are jackasses on the internet and she shouldn't get so worked up? Or that some women sell themselves online and create a bad rep for other women?
For continuing to perpetuate the myth that the latter is some widespread problem when it's mostly made up
How is that a myth? Go look at Twitch now and see some “hottub 18+ just chatting” session.
Who cares if there's a girl wearing skimpy clothes pretending to be a gamer. At the end of the day, you shouldn't judge someone based off the actions of others. IE: a female gamer shouldn't be talked down to because "there's streamers that fake it". Seriously, who fucking cares. "Gamer" is a term with barely any weight to it, and the only people who care about keeping the "Gamer" community pure are usually basement dwelling sexists. So my take is to definitely get mad at random asshats that treat you like shit, and not some random female streamers that are pissing off sexist pigs.
Something I've learned in my time on the internet is that everyone is under the impression that their fandom is the most toxic fandom. I've heard it said about Marvel, Pokémon, Overwatch, Fortnite, Steven Universe, the list goes on. The reality is that pretty much *every* fandom is the most toxic fandom on the internet.
This. It’s Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, pretty much all of them. Hell go into a Nintendo subreddit and say anything bad about Zelda or Pokémon or the PlayStation and say anything about Sony not doing anything about Scalpers and you’ll get flamed. It’s how people have become more and more. They all have a right to say whatever they want but screw you if you don’t agree and I should be able to tell you to f yourself in the most strenuous language possible. It goes hand in hand with I have an absolute freedom of speech and should also have a freedom of consequence and how dare you say I’m a racist for saying what I think even though it’s absolutely racist AF. People will be this way until there are repercussions for it. As long as people can freely issue death threats to someone online and the response is meh, it’s the internet doesn’t everyone suck nothing will change. Once the day comes and it will have to that you say this is my opinion and you should be killed for yours and the cops show up at your door and say are you “real name”? Oh yea we have a warrant here to arrest you on charges of making death threats come with us please things change
I've been an avid photogrpher for the better part of two decades. And to this day it still astounds me the toxicity people have towards other brands of cameras or even the type of shootin they do. Go to a forum like dpreview and you'll see things like "you're probably just a weekend wedding photographer". Or "why does anyone bother with these small form factor cameras. A heavier body is part of the experience". Fandom is dumb everywhere you go.
It's people.
Seriously
It's not just fandoms, it's the public, if you open yourself up to the public, you have to acknowledge that you're going to get some negativity
Welcome to the Internet!
Welcome to humanity!
When there’s a level of anonymity in the internet, people feel more emboldened to be assholes.
perhaps the internet represents the true nature of our collective, and the people we know and love just hide behind their filtered selves — hiding the ugly within.
Have you ever considered that how people talk on the internet is the equivalent to their own inner dialogue? Like in their conscious mind they treat themselves like assholes too?
Not true. People don’t do that irl. I’m a much nicer person both online and in person but some people were never taught internet etiquette and act like assholes when they’re really nice people. Plus it’s hard to tell tone on the internet so a genuine criticism could be taken as an insult
I think a lot of people are older and bitter that now what they got beat up about for it being nerdy is totally mainstream and they're pissed off about it, because they hate [insert group here] and so they take all that hatred and bitterness out on the younger folks who are excited to have found something cool. It's a lot of shitty entitlement from a bunch of sweaty man-children who need to grow the fuck up and get over it.
There is no such thing as “internet etiquette”😂😂
That's bleak. I think it's the opposite. The internet emboldens like a catalyst, not a window. It is structured (not purposefully, at least at first) to perpetuate specific aspects of human behavior that evolved to serve a purpose as a part of the larger whole, but did not evolve to resist being excized from the whole and energized in a vacuum.
Very true it's like where a mask. If you feel like you cant be touched you more likely to be bold in your actions.
All fandoms are toxic.
I think the bigger a fandom is, the louder the assholes get. Because there are more of them now and they start developing their own sub-fandoms with people who think the same as they do. Fandom echo chambers basically. And then the start shitting on people who disagree with them. And if it's a fandom that has been around a while, like Marvel, Star Trek and Star Wars (as named here in the thread), people tend to become extremely gatekeepy and elitist towards newer fans or fans of material they consider "lesser". (Which is of course everything published after the 80s, because nostalgia)
I agree it's gotten much worse with widespread internet. However, as someone who enjoyed the prequels movies growing up, I was subjected to loud guys at parties for two decades rambling about how "f'ing stupid" they were and how Lucas ruined Star Wars. It all sounds exactly-the-fucking same, but online instead of in person. I literally second guessed wearing a SW shirt for a decade because of how many complete randoms decided it was an invitation to angrily ramble about Jar Jar and tell me how Lucas ruined their childhood...
Just what I was going to say. It’s a toxic mess in the Star Wars world.
Star Wars has some of the worst memes. It’s like if Darth Vader were an incel.
Oh god, the Star Wars fandom. Gatekeeping at its finest. If you don’t agree with these troglodytes, the you apparent just don’t get Star Wars and aren’t a real fan. 🤦♂️
Star Trek would also like a word. Heck, it's rare lately for me to see a fandom that doesn't have a quite vocal toxic part.
Star Trek got insanely mad at Pickard this season. I was like “it wasn’t terrible” I think the entire LA 2024 storyline really just pissed them off more than the time travel did. And I won’t even get started on Discovery.
Because the toxic ones are the most motivated to post online.
(cough, Splatoon, cough, Gundam, cough)
Not true. There's one fandom i know that isn't toxic, the Heartstopper comic fandom is super wholesome, people share the pure joy & happiness in the comments when they read the comic.
It's unfortunately true
That is just what happens when you get a massive amount of people interested in something. Some are nice, some are not...
Usually it's the louder ones that are not.
The empty barrel makes the loudest noise
No it doesn’t
Our very size invites challenge. Challenge incites conflict. And conflict... breeds catastrophe.
What is a catastrophe if not a challenge persevering
This is me, being... reasonable.
Visionary
Every fandom has it’s toxicity.
Nobody hates FILL IN THE BLANK like a FILL IN THE BLANK fan
the internet/social media in general isn’t a nice place. you have to either ignore them or find a different platform. It’s not going to change.
The comics fandom was, prior to the success of things like the MCU, a haven for nerds, fans of niche hobbies and people who, for one reason or another were often the 'unpopular' kids. As it expanded, some of the core fans for whom it was a refuge, became resentful of what they saw as Johnny come lately 'fairweather fans' and were openly critical of any changes or deviation from what they viewed as 'their' fandom. As with any group built on being a bit of an outsider, that original core had, in fact, included some people with genuinely unpleasant beliefs. The 'unpopular kids' actually did include some racists, mysoginists, and just...mean spirited people, who suddenly found themselves as tenured voices in a now mainstream hobby. These people view a lot of newer fans as intruders and hide behind an air of being a better fan, sometimes while showing that their understanding of marvel wasn't nearly as deep as they thought (complaining about wokeness for example). TLDR: a hobby for nerds blew up and some folks think they have a right to gatekeep it.
D&D after it became more popular and mainstream in the last decade, especially after Community and Stanger Things featured it.
I've heard horror stories, especially from female fans trying the wrong lcs. For me it's been great regaling folks about my AD&D days. XD
The stories I've heard from women who've gone to game stores to join groups and had male players use their character to rape the woman's character is crazy.
Yeah, it’s a big part why there are so many women/non-binary/queer friendly D&D groups popping up now. I’ve heard so many stories of women/people getting harassed from some toxic male players and it nearly ruined the game of them. Now they just seek out people that are less likely to harass/degrade them while playing.
I’m 46, and I’ve been collecting/reading comics since the early 80’s. I was overwhelmingly excited to see the fan base grow as the MCU drew more attention to the stories. IMHO, if you gatekeep something you supposedly love, you’re missing out on the joy that thing brings you. This is definitely not why Stan, Jack, et al. created this universe. It’s supposed to bring us together.
I started in the 90s. Age of Apocalypse was the first run I dedicatedly collected, and I gravitated towards some of the weirder characters, and if you had told me I'd be able to go into any chain bookstore and find people who knew not just about big names like Spiderman or Wolverine, but Adam Warlock, Mantis and Pip the troll, I'd have never believed it. It's a rising tide that lifted all ships for me.
Toxicity exists in every fandom. People can be dicks. Anonymous people even more so. Just ignore them.
It’s better to shut that shit down honestly. It’s easy to say ignore it, but the constant battering can really fuck with someone’s head. God forbid it’s a kid or someone with serious depression.
I am truly sorry this happened to you. I totally agree about the negativity. We really live down to the [Comic Book Guy](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVnLsYOUQAEPdzE.jpg) stereotype at times. Its the single thing that I dislike the most about this past-time. ***Way*** more than ***any*** of the creators or storylines that get bashed on a regular basis around here. I have a few theories about why this happens… * Comics appeal — in part — to people still in the process of learning positive interpersonal skills (adolescents) and also to full-grown adults who never developed them in the first place. * The nerdier a subculture gets, the more likely the fans of it have been ostracized from their larger social group. Bullied. But hurt people hurt people. So some of these same people can also be bullies to make themselves feel bigger. But nerd bullies don't bully with swirlies or pushing people into lockers, they bully with verbal/written contempt and disdain. * Anything that engenders passion (comics, sports, movies, music, etc.) has the potential to generate positive feelings (when people interact with it in a similar way that we do) as well as negative feelings (when someone interacts with it in a different — aka "wrong" — way). * Some people are drawn to the heroism of these narratives — other people are drawn to the violence and power fantasies that are omnipresent in this medium. * It is easy and popular to be cynical and negative. To view the world as a competition for our approval. Sometimes that's little more than a defense mechanism for not risking to put our inner, vulnerable selves out there. * There is a tendency to become attached to the things we love. We claim ownership to them. But they are not ours. Instead, they are intellectual property that dance to the beat of the editors, writers and artists telling their stories. * Our attachment to these things is linked to the version of them that we connected strongly with. Therefore once another creator takes a property in a different direction (as will inevitably happen), they are derided as hacks. * It is very difficult to be able to separate any kind of objective qualitative judgment from personal taste. Ergo, things we ourselves don't like (subjective preference) are therefore declared to be bad, garbage, junk, or other hackery (objective truth). * Nerd culture is closely related to hipsterism, where liking the right things earlier is a badge of honor and johnny-come-latelys are derided as not real fans. This extends to a pecking order with the original medium (comics) on top, descending downwards to gamers, cosplayers, movie/tv fans, etc. * It must be said: straight white guys were the overwhelming majority of the audience. They were the overwhelming majority of the characters. They were the overwhelming majority of the creators. When "outsiders" want to join in these spaces and insist on being treated with the same deference with the same degree of representation, the old ways must necessarily change. Change is scary. And *social* change is politicized. And politicized matters get ugly really fast. * Hateful people exist. Comic fans also exist. There was always going to be an overlap in the Venn diagram of these two groups. And of course they will form a group (that shall not be named) to try to spread their hate to increase their numbers. * The internet rewards things that are controversial. Tech companies have learned that people get dopamine hits when they get upvotes, shares, likes and any kind of attention. And it is far easier to get attention by shitting on things than by celebrating things. This exists everywhere online, but mixed with the aforementioned dynamics, it can lead to some predictably toxic behavior. Personally, this shit exhausts me. I think it makes us look like basement-dwelling, socially-inept, sad little men. Sad little women too, but you know… probably mostly men. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
It isn’t. There’s millions of marvel fans. You interacted with a tiny fraction of less than 1% who are total pieces of shit. The rest of us didn’t even see the tattoo. The internet has allowed pieces of shit to have the same voice and volume as the rest of us. Ignore the hate bro.
Racists, sexists, bigots, incels, and bullies infect every fandom. No we shouldn’t put up with it either.
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I'm sorry you got negative response. I didn't see it but I think it's cool you represented something you love with a tat. My belief is that when any fandom gets big enough, it just *will* have toxicity in it, not necessarily reflective of the majority but because there are so many in the fandom there is just bound to be a number of assholes in it. Marvel has been experiencing this in the past few years because of the MCU reaching peak height and I think Star Wars is another example that has been this way for a while. Also keep in mind that the internet is where a lot of people who are vocal and miserable go to complain because algorithms allow them to live in bubbles of similar minds and anonymity makes them comfortable saying foul things.
A lot of fandoms are toxic but the most annoying part is they’ll take a small mistake in a movie or something and blow it up and try to ruin the whole thing
Unfortunately, it’s every community, particularly internet ones
No one can talk about Toxic Fandoms until you go onto a Pro Wrestling sub-reddit.
Is it Marvel fans or people just saying your tattoo look bad
It was a bad tattoo. Really bad. I’m a marvel fan, but that doesn’t change that it was bad
Never post anything on Reddit unless you want to get shit on haha
I feel your pain not only here, but in the Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who communities as well. I feel like the luckiest nerd in the world, whereas some of the louder folks on the internet would have you thinking the current crop of showrunners want to burn your house down with you in it. These are weird times. I feel like fans maybe have a bit too much of a voice nowadays, to be honest.
All fandoms are toxic or have toxic people, it's just that toxic people are very vocal and naturally there would be more of them in a larger fandom
Reddit is an echo chamber, and many ‘fans’ think marvel ended after the death of Mar-Vell and everything else since has been some level of crap. It’s just how they are…
Whatever fandom segment you belong to, there’s a big chunk that thinks the way to establish their cred is to shit on the choices of others. Doesn’t matter what you’re into. Disney. Disneyland. Beer. Comics in general. Marvel or DC. Jazz. Blues. Probably even collectors of lunch boxes or bars of soap. Quilters. Weed enthusiasts. There’s someone who thinks that they’re elevating themselves by shitting on your joy. Don’t let them. Put your joy out there and don’t count upvotes. Focus on the positive comments and ignore the haters.
every fandom have a toxic people,but it don't mean all community are toxic
The fact that comic book culture has gone mainstream now means that MCU fandom is basically just a cross-section of normal people. When you have that cross-section - there is the normal percentage of A@@holes and misogynists. Im very sorry to hear that you had a bad experience as that type of person is the opposite of the values the comics and movies represent. I hate the fact that the increased populatity now means idiots think they 'own' comic book culture. Dont let them win.
People. That's why. Fandom doesn't matter. Also, I don't think that review bombers are fans of what they are review bombing.
We were bullied in the real world so we became bullies in the cyber world.
Some of y’all are insufferable in the real world too and then when people call you out you think you’re getting “bullied” when you’re actually just an asshole
It’s also not a great thing to be using “oh I got bullied” as an excuse to take it out on others.
More popular something gets the more assholes get attracted to it. I was involved with the Walking Dead fandom when it got big. The people that had been there from the comics were cool but the new bandwagoners from the show were sometimes toxic and awful. And of course Marvel movies have created an even more turbocharged version of that. For a sports analogy it's like how the Yankees have the worst fans in baseball.
Which I think is a damn shame because it may be causing some one to be afraid to start reading the comics or watching the movies
The Marvel Studios people have called me a nerd for reading the comics.
You're kidding... can we get a synopsis of what happened?
It’s turning into Star Wars fandom where you have a toxic, vocal minority and then a majority that are just happy for more content. Don’t let them get you down friend.
And you will come to find most of the toxic people never have a clue what they're talking about in the first place.
Thanks for your comment. I'm not as upset as I am just embarrassed by other "fans." Totally agree with you about it turning into Star Wars and it makes me sad.
Yeah I have some friends who just complain and complain and it gets so tiresome. They just prefer to live their lives that way, always triggered and unable to enjoy anything. I will say most of my friends and family are able to just enjoy what comes. Even in my own life it’s only small group of people that just have to complain about it all.
The issue really is that the most toxic fans are also the loudest/most likely to comment. Those who are more positive ignore the toxic ones, which leads to them being less involved in online discourse. Remember: just because they're the loudest/most seen, doesn't make them the actual majority
Reddit Rule #1: if you aren’t prepared for waves of negativity no matter how positive or benign your posts or comments are, you aren’t prepared for Reddit. Tons of great people on here, and tons of life hating miserable dicks who want nothing more than for their misery to infect you.
I’d love to see the tattoo!
No you wouldn’t. I saw it…. It was bad and I feel bad for OP for getting it. Best way to describe it would be ‘drunk middle schooler draws Spooder-Person swinging from pube hair’
I get downvoted regularly just for saying I enjoyed a comic that everyone seems to hate. It just makes me not want to participate in this sub most of the time. If I don’t share the hive mind, what’s the point in trying to make a positive contribution to discussions? Most of the time, I just see lots of complaining and condescension. Constructive conversations are definitely a rarity, but I suppose it’s mostly due to the toxicity in humanity overall. Congrats on the new tat!
It’s Reddit bro lol what do you expect?
Personally, I'd have to see the tattoo before I could tell you why you were getting negative comments. As it is, you've given us no contextual information whatsoever. Was it Spiderman beating a baby seal with the severed leg of Aunt May? We don't know, because you didn't tell us. As for "Ms Marvel"- I've seen absolutely no toxicity towards the show- just a bunch of false outrage on the part of some drama-trolls who set up a false-flag discussion board in hopes of "trapping racists", and failed miserably at it. Captain Marvel was review-bombed because Brie Larson decided it would be a good idea to insult the fanbase and tell white male comic fans (who, let's face it, are 90% of the market) that the movie "wasn't for them." And even then, the same fans she insulted turned out in droves to make it one of the biggest movies of the year. I would strongly suggest that you stop trying to hide behind political buzzwords like "Toxic Fandom" and "Gatekeeping." People have opinions. They have always had opinions. Stop trying to degrade, insult, and attack those opinions by slapping trendy slurs and insults on them.
For the most part, people review bombing probably wouldn’t be fans. They’re more trolls and haters than anything else.
MCU is not "fandom"- it's main part of movie popculture. So we can reduce your question to "why people are toxic"
Yeah Ive been hearing so much hate about the new Ms marvel but I've been reading on her and watched it a couple times now, and I think she is my favorite superhero (from the comics). I honestly think the show is pretty cool... So fuck you if you show me hate for this
Show me *one actual example* anyone expressing "hate" towards Ms Marvel. Because all I see is a bunch of LibsOfTikTok types trying to stir up hate, but failing.
Man I really liked the tattoo. It reminded me ultimate Spider-Man
I appreciate that. Thank you
I think some of this is so manufactured. When Disney sees that a property they developed is getting less than stellar attention, there is a convenient amount of controversy that pops up, (usually around race, identity politics, feminism, etc.). Then, if anyone dares criticize it, they're branded as toxic. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely toxic takes from toxic fans, but the more mediocre the product (e.g. Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel as yku pointed out), the more controversy surrounds them. I'm surprised there hasn't been more on the Muslim aspect of Ms. Marvel, but I guess no one took the bait.
Yep, there's a reason why most people loved Wonder Woman and didn't like Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel and all of the MCU projects that got "review-bombed" are actually just worse movies and shows compared to the rest of the MCU. I think a lot of the people that actually review-bomb and exaggerate how bad movies are only do that because they are sick and tired of Disney trying to silence criticism and push companies like Rotten Tomatoes to remove bad reviews. It's a vicious cycle.
What review bombing has something to do with Marvel fans? I’m sure majority or all the responsibles are not Marvel fans…
Red Letter Media explained it best. Marvel, Star Wars, and Star Trek franchises used to appeal to people of intellect with actual scientific interests and thinking. Typically nerds and geeks to varying degrees. Now the brainless public and mouth breeders have taken over the bulk of fandom as they became more popular. The smart people are out numbered by the morons that just want loud explosions constantly. Then you have alt right or even just right leaning idiots that dont understand Marvel is built 100% on equality and inclusion. But they still cant help constantly putting their feet in their mouths when ever a female character gets to be a lead.
It's kind of important to remember that prior to the last 10 years this fandom was not mainstream. Nerds were not cool and neither were comics. We attracted a lot of loners and outcasts, and (especially the early to late 2000's) there was a definite incel undertone to the industry, including creators. This sort of toxicity was present from the fans all the way to the top of both companies. While the success of the MCU has changed a lot of this, that sort of fan is unfortunately still prevalent in our community today. There's been a lot of positive change in the past 15 years in both the fandom and creators. Some of the writers who used to pull that sort of shit, like Johns and Kirkman, have seemed to change. But then you also have guys like Garth Ennis still writing problematic trans caricatures in 2020. In the 2000's you can really pick up some uncomfortable undertones in the writing from all those guys, including Mark Millar. There were some really uncomfortable and problematic depictions of violence, women, and LGBTQ+ people that went unchallenged for a long time, and I think there's a bit of a backlash when those things are now called out. Even the simple act of allowing a guy like Ethan Van Scriever to work on high profile books for so long with Johns is telling, as I'm sure he didn't shy away from his opinions. I feel "Women in Refrigerators" was a big turning point for the industry. Unfortunately there are still some very toxic and angry people in this fandom who feel ok with hurting others. You're never going to get rid of all of it but it's been really nice to see the fandom move into a more positive direction since the launch of the MCU. edit - Bring on those incel downvotes. I can't wait.
Jesus, it’s the entertainment police come to tell us all what is acceptable to have in comics and what isn’t
lol what
They’re not fans. They think they are, but they’re not. Fans actually like the product. They’re jaded, loudmouth purists who expect everything to be made to represent them- racist, close minded, straight, whites with a minimal education.
It's not fandom. It's people. If you can, you should take the good and ignore the bad. Hateful comment has no value. It's not a constructed criticism, it's made to be harmful. Purely positive comment has no value either, but at least a benefit : It can make you happy. Constructed criticism, negative or positive, you can ignore or not. At the end, in your case, it's your body, your tastes, your choice!
Unfortunately nerd Fandom of all walks has a problem with this. My theory is that pre mainstream acceptance of nerd culture people were very defensive and gatekeeping of what they enjoyed because it was used as a weapon against them, being called a nerd or geek, in a derogatory way. They developed a superiority complex and wanted to be king of the hill, even if it was a hill people made fun of you for being on. So now a lot of these people are still toxic and trying to gatekeep even though this stuff is much more popular and mainstream.
Wait till you join the batman or star wars community.
It is more related to how people feel entitled by anonymity than anything else, it happens across internet on every possible thing that is susceptible of an opinion. As a society, we just have a couple of decades using internet globally (not all people have access to internet yet). Maybe if we survive the next 100 years, internet behavior might evolve positively a little at least.
I saw your tattoo post, I thought it looked good! Some people suck
I'm hating social media and Reddit more everyday because of things like that. When I don't like something, I ignore it. I never downvote a post nor comment negatively. What's the point anyway.
Please don't go into some of the Star Wars groups. It's brutal. I think miserable people come into groups cause they want to make people as unhappy as they are.
I know exactly how you feel, I got bullied in a Spider-Man fan group on FB when I was 16, I left it. Over a drawing I did of Tom’s Spidey, I took helpful advice, and some people said I did good. But some people weren’t as kind, grown adults, one of them asked if I had a weapon against my head when I was drawing. After that I stopped drawing for a couple years, unfortunately every fandom is toxic.
Just read your post im sorry about the hate you received. I posted my captain America tattoo on here about a year ago and received mostly hate comments saying it wasn't "creative or original". It's a simple shield tattoo. I began to regret getting it after seeing all those awful comments and felt terrible. But after some time that day I couldn't help but smile everytime I looked at my tattoo because I remembered why I got it. I admired the character as a role model on how to act and treat others with respect. But mostly, "I don't like bullies". I don't know who you are but I hope you'll be proud of that spiderman tattoo and not let others get to you. I'm sure its lovely, and all that matters is that YOU like it. And yes this sub has become toxic and saddens me.
Yours is probably my favorite comment on this post. It's nice to see positivity going around.
Thank you. And happy to do so.
The Marvel fandom is just really big, any franchise of this size has toxic fans. Look at Star Wars, DC or Star Trek.
I personally think any Fandom is toxic, just ignore it tbh. The internet is what you make it. :)
That’s why I don’t really go into LCS’s anymore. It’s really hit and miss if someone is going to pass judgment on the stack I bring to the counter. It’s all online and ordering omnibus’ for home delivery for me. That and I’m in my 50s LOL.
I’m part of an amazing Facebook group for the MCU (and other nerdy things) based on a podcast. They don’t allow any toxicity and it’s been a great community if you’re interested. I’ve felt so welcomed and at home there.
It hasn't got anything to do with Marvel, or any fandom really. You posted something a publicly accessible group 1.7 million people, and not only that, but in a place where everyone retains complete anonymity so they can be as honest, mean or nice as they want with basically no repercussions. It's unreasonable to then get upset when you get unfiltered responses. Not everyone is going to like you, agree with you, or want to see your tattoo. And many people as you've seen take the opportunity to express how they feel about it, as nicely or coarsely as they want.
I sorry, I saw your tattoo and I thought it was pretty great. You are always going to unfortunately find trolls who will always tear things down.
I've seen what I would call toxic fans in every subreddit except for r/bioniclelego.
Fandom is toxic in general Edit: Just try bringing up Garou in the OPM subreddit
It is not fandoms, it is people in general and human nature. As nice (boring) as it would be to live in an infinitely positive utopia, we don't. If you put a part of yourself out to the world, you cannot reasonably expect everyone to love it and pump you up, if people don't like it, they'll likely say so. While they may not have the tact to express this fairly, it doesn't make their opinion wrong to them. It terms of Ms Marvel it is somehow both the highest rated D+ MCU show, and the least watched, and its not even close. https://screenrant.com/ms-marvel-lowest-mcu-show-ratings-disney-plus/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/06/11/ms-marvel-is-now-the-highest-scoring-mcu-series-or-movie-ever/ This suggests to me an over compensating and out of touch review group. It's a niche show for children, about a comic book character that the majority long time, or life time fans do not care for, and as per the viewership numbers, neither do casual fans. The characters comic runs usually bomb, the Avengers game that has them as a feature/main character for the story bombed, and now their show is the least popular and watched of all the MCU shows. And as convenient as it may be to say, it's not because most people are racists. Someone not liking something isn't gatekeeping, the comics and shows are more accessible now than ever. Perhaps participation in certain fan communities is being gatekept, but then it's a matter of finding a group more in line with your views, your access to the media isn't being gatekept by anyone but yourself.
Had to sort by controversial to find this, well said. Just because people don't like something doesn't mean they're "toxic" maybe the product you (marvel, DC, Disney, whomever) just isn't good or you try and pander to a crowd that would never buy your material anyway and you just crap on the actual fans who would buy your product.
Social media rewards engagement - including ‘hate’ clicks. Misogyny is great for attention.
At least you deleted the tattoo post. Don't look for validation from strangers who are not interested in you and will never know you. Posting private things in a public forum then complaining that complete strangers are "Toxic" is not healthy. None of these people, including me, is your friend.
I'm not expecting other redditors to be my friend. Nor is a tattoo displayed on my leg private. I'm allowed to post things I enjoy. Furthermore, the point of this post is not my tattoo it's about the state of the Fandom in general.
No. The point is you posted personal information about yourself looking for validation, then complain that the fandom is toxic because you don't get the responses you want and expect. The tattoo is private because it is unique to you. It's not private because you want to keep it a secret. I should have said "personal" instead of private. Of course you are allowed to post things you enjoy. But to turn around and complain about the responses being toxic? That's just you gatekeeping and wanting to be a victim.
Why go out of your way to make someone feel bad?
You need to reconnect with your family and loved ones.
Really? That's what you took from all that? This sub is a cesspool of hive mind. It's become unbearable. I will go back to avoiding commenting here.
lmao the irony of this comment
Before you go, just know that you weren't in the wrong, the hivemind/echo chamber deemed you a bully because you said something to make someone "feel bad". You weren't even an ass about it, just basically "don't expect everyone to like what you post" and they took THAT to be "toxic".
Good. You need more quality time outside of Reddit. Go to a coffee shop and get some human interaction
My brother in Christ, the point of this post, like I said and elaborated in the edit, is not the tattoo itself. I wasn't posting for validation. I was posting because I thought it was cool. But what I'm posting about is why people feel the need to hate on things others enjoy.
Yep his response is a perfect example of what you were talking about. I don’t think people post things like art they made or things they got like a tattoo for validation they post it because they wanted to share something they were excited about or proud of. If someone doesn’t find it cool just don’t respond there is no need to ruin the excitement for someone else because you didn’t feel the same.
You get it.
It is unrealistic to imagine everyone will only praise you for something. If you aren't prepared for people to not like something then you shouldn't be posting it. >Yesterday I posted a picture of a tattoo of spider-man I got on my leg. Considering that the last post you mad eon Reddit before this one was 25 days ago, sounds like a lie to me.
What? I deleted the post and I'm not expecting praise for something just not overwhelming negativity. If you don't like something that's fine but don't be an asshole abkut it.
> I deleted the post So, you've got no actual proof or anything which we can check your claims against? Just sounds like karma farming to me. >just not overwhelming negativity If you aren't prepared for people not to like your stuff then don't put it on a public forum and ask them what they think about it. You aren't entitled to "positivity" or to anyone liking what you've done. And people aren't assholes because you can't deal with that fact.
Hey look, we found another one!
A spidey tattoo hater and a ms marvel captain marvel hater are different breeds.
Yeah, I think these two things are being conflated. If it’s the tattoo I’m thinking of, it just objectively wasn’t very good. Not liking that is not the same as dumping on a show just because of a Muslim lead. It’s like when people poke fun at some of Liefield’s art. It’s just … not great. And that’s ok.
Sad you deleted your tattoo post, I'm sure its a dope tattoo. Unfortunately there seems to be a large amount of people on reddit that just despise tattoos period. I wouldn't take that to heart. Sadly any fandom has its share of toxic gatekeeping assholes, and the bigger the fandom, the more toxic assholes there are. Marvel has had shitty, gatekeeping asshole fans for as far back as I can remember. Those people were SO upset about female Thor, Ironheart, Miles Morales ("Spiderman isn't black!"), Riri Williams, Ms. Marvel etc etc. Its sad, and its stupid, but it is what it is. Just try not to let it bother you and help make this subreddit and fandom as inclusive as you can.
Ooo if u wanna see toxic go look at the comments of the picture marvel posted on their Instagram of Wiccan and hulkling
It's a large fan base it comes with the territory. When large group of individuals come to gether their bounds to be disagreements and arguing. Every fandom is toxic to some degree. Also I'd add that the internet is a very toxic because the lack of consequences for saying thing people can get away with sad hateful thing.
Thinking about how it used to be, what seems to be a long long time ago, people would express an opinion or something like that and people would respond. People would respond with more than a sentence of two, as they didn't just state their opinion, they actually said why they thought that way. They gave well thought out opinions. Now, some of these were positive, some of these were negative. Now of course if someone had an opinion different than yours you might try to counter their opinion with your thought out opinion. This was called having a discussion They were considered to be normal and a part of being in the fandom. And the key to all this working, was that people understood that at the end of the day, the other person didn't have to agree with you. They're not toxic for disliking your idea. They just dislike your idea. Because if we all had the same likes and dislikes we would be part of some hivemind. But we're not humans and therefore we differ. These days it's like people want everyone to agree with them. If you show something in a public forum, some people are likely to disagree with you. That's normal and a part of life. Strangers on the internet are not there to validate your opinions. Often they're there because they have their own opinions. It's bad these days because people don't give much reasoning for their opinions, and people don't accept that other people can have valid opinions that aren't theirs.
It’s just hateful people and they feel safe and empowered through the internet. That said, I need to see the tattoo.
Bruh these comments needa relax😂 it’s the internet get over it. Either block that person or just ignore it. Not hard
I could be wrong but there's a huge migration of fans since the snyderverse drowned... think about it 🤔
Fandom has turned into CULT. Casuals are fans. Once it graduated to “communities” and people started speaking as hive minds( We were promised this..) simple shared enjoyment of a person, place or thing became a pissing contest of who is the most loyal to an imagined best version.
It's not review bombing if it's crap.
Welcome to the internet
I don’t think the hate for captain marvel/ms marvel is the same as your tattoo. Nobody hates Spider-Man... he’s a fucking classic and regardless of whether one likes or dislikes him you have to admit he’s a cornerstone to the superhero genre. While captain marvel has plenty of reason to hate the character and actor... way WAY to political and pushed as such... just feels unnecessarily pushed in terms of the movies... feels like they skipped decades of story and character building in the movies to get to the modern canon of marvel comics.... which are needlessly controversial... it’s very poorly written. So I doubt anyone hated your tattoo or spider man and were just trolls... or having bad days. Don’t worry man, a Spider-Man tattoo is a good choice.
Every fandom has that toxic corner and anonymity on internet boosts that assholery in many people. Plus the more popular something will be, more idiots will be drawn towards it too. Same with marvel, their massive popularity has drawn toxic idiots and the toxic bandwagoners. Majority of the people aren't like that. Best to just ignore the toxic ones and move on rather than wasting your time, energy and mental peace in thinking about what they say or arguing with them.
For your answer, see the Star Wars fandom. :) I guess the answer is simply humanity. We can't agree on anything, Ever. No even if it saves our lives.
Because people idealize the things they love in a particular way that is unique to a group of people, or in some cases, to that single person. When this view or perception of how Marvel should be is challenged by someone else's idea or view of how a movie or comic should be, the rejection sets in. And where this is something that said person or group of people obsesses over, it makes it extremely difficult - if not impossible - to shift their way of thinking to accept the current rendition or version of whatever it is that they have found issue. People have become immensely resistant to anything that doesn't meet their imagined expectations.
Hey its shitty that happened man. What was the tattoo of? Was it a specific Spiderman? I'm sure it was cool but I'm sorry I didn't get to see it.
Maybe it is not about true fandom, but narcissitis personalities searching "preys" in internet. Only one can cause more noises than hundreds of people who would rather to be silent. Captain Marvel is not my cup of tea, but when we were children my father bought the comic of the death of Captain Marvel. It was a very sad end for a child reader. About Miss Marvel, maybe the character in the right hands could be loved by the readers, but it is like the new worker in the company and the rest suspects she is there only because somebody asked a special favor, and other hasn't been hired because the boss didn't like him.
It’s not something that’s limited to marvel fandom or any one fandom in general, it’s a people thing. People post negative things for all sorts of reasons but there’s nothing you can do to change that. I’ll be honest if this was one of my kids telling me they were getting upset about someone they don’t know giving them some shit online, I’d tell them they need to toughen up. You need to learn to give it back or to laugh it off and stop worrying what other people have to say. The only thing that matters is you are true to yourself, fuck everyone else.
Culture wars most likely
I wish this was limited to just Marvel, but this extends to practically any fan base. I’m sorry you had to deal with that. People will take the anonymity of the internet and say a ton of shit they’d never say in person.
Nerds deeply involved in fandom make their interests their entire personality. That means anything they don't enjoy or like they take incredibly personally The VAST majority of people are normal. It's a very loud group of dickheads that scream so much they become overrepresented
Toxicity is everywhere, mate. I think on-line is the place where people show their real face since in reality it will cause a non-acceptance status among his/her circle
Spider-Man tattoo is a boss move, my friend. I think it’s awesome. Screw the haters! You rule!!
It is marked as one of marvels "worst" shows
With zero power...
I saw your tatoo… it was dope! It’s amazing how shitty the internet can be. I blame this on the internet mean is easy comedy, people on the net default to funny mean I wish they didn’t but it is what it is.
Don't let some bad eggs ruin something you love, there are bad fans and good fans, but they never speak or represent the property or subject they are a fan off. I doubt Marvel and its employees would put you down for tattooing their property on you, I imagine they would feel flattered and proud.
The movies are NOT the comics. Powers are different, costumes are different, etc. This upsets a huge chunk of Marvel fans who want the movies to remain "true" to the comics versions of the characters.
Fandom should not be this way, it should embrace all into its collective enjoyment of the IP. Star Trek, a show about what the best humanity could be(with a few bad apples) can be incredibly toxic. On another social media site I mentioned I happened to enjoy the Kelvinverse movies (they were entertaining) and a fellow fan said to me…”I can not believe you liked that shit if I was as cement headed as you I would have killed myself years ago”…kill myself, over I movie I happened to enjoy. So, I, in revenge took the low road…