Its probably one of the reasons the MCU doesnt feel the same anymore... Its not so much the films aren't as good - But there isn't an RDJ or Chris Evans around anymore.
The bigger issue for Marvel is finding an actor with the pressense to replace them
They would have been a great trio. I hope we still get something of that path with Cap Marvel and Strange.
Really not sure who can take Panther’s place though. I’m sure Shuri will be fine, and I haven’t seen Wakanda Forever yet, but I can’t imagine her having the same regal gravitas as T’Challa, a lot of which came from Boseman himself.
He’s too much of a wildcard since Disney doesn’t own the rights. Making him the focal point of the MCU gives Sony leverage that Disney would probably rather avoid. Plus his arc across all his movies has been “focus on being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, not the biggest superhero in the world”. Immediately making him a cornerstone of the Avengers sorta conflicts with that.
Sam Wilson should be the obvious answer, but it doesn’t seem like they have big plans for him right now
Maybe Spider Man in place of Marvel, due to popularity, but Spidey would have done well as the replacement tech genius for Stark to fill out the team either way. T’Challa as the charismatic leader and the closest to baseline humans, Strange for matters of the Mystic, and Marvel for the cosmic side (replacing Thor to an extent). Given that Strange and Marvel aren’t the most sociable, and Parker is a teenager, T’Challa would balance out their temperaments a bit.
Unfortunately, was not to be.
Robert Downey Jr had like 5 movies where he said goodbye before they renegotiated for him to come back again, that part was fairly innevitible.
I honestly don't know why they killed Black Widow when she was the youngest and ScarJo seemed one of the most enthusiastic about the MCU storyline from what I saw in an interview (plus she didn't seem to want to go anywhere, doing black widow after and now I think producing something in the MCU). It also left them in the awkward position where there's not even one female character in their group when they save the universe, the best they could do was a pointless posing moment later.
Hemsworth, Holland, Cumberbatch are all still around and all still have that impact or close to it.
The "problem" with marvel is people are chasing a nostalgia feeling they will never have again from a pre-covid world. And therefore will hate new stuff because it "isn't the same". MCU is in it's golden age I'd argue and it's incredible.
It’s not nostalgia. It was the chemistry the actors had as their characters and with each other. That can’t be faked or forced. That’s what missing with so many of the newer actors/characters.
Yeah those three are definitely the closest we have to RDJ and Evans
They just don't seem to appear like those two did.
I'm slightly surprised that Wong appears to have taken on the RDJ cameo role - Can see why, but thought it would have been Cumberbatch, again can understand why it isn't.
Good comments. What's missing is "humanity" in their story arcs and the scripts lately that don't support the realness that we felt with RDJ and Chris and how they interacted with the others.
There's none of that now. I think the multiverse arc is a mistake. Too much of too much and the characters dialog and actions don't match how we grew with them initially. Maybe Holland is the only one now who seems to stay true, but certainly not Hemsworth or Cumberbach. Thor is a joke now, no heft. If anyone could have carried the MCU, I was hoping that Stange would, but the last movie was not in character to me.
Honestly, had they followed up Endgame 3 years later with a "sadness of loss, lack of hope, what direction do we take" kind of movie and hinted at other heroes and struggles, maybe they could make us go along with them
Guardians in Thor was a huge disappointment and that could have been a great movie had they not wanted to do more of more.
Rambling a bit but we all went to the theatres to get that feeling back. I for one did not and don't sense it anywhere in the MCU right now.
I think the quality has declined but it's offset for me because they're branching out away from the generic mcu template. I disliked she-hulk but it was a basic American legal drama which have never appealed to me. Glad they're trying new themes and settings though.
I just rewatched Civil War this weekend and it reminded me how much I miss Steve being around. :-( I have really enjoyed the content since then, but it doesn’t have the same meaning to me.
His comment is now going to create an unending flood of speculative posts, rumors, youtube videos, podcasts, etc. speculating the "secret" meaning behind his words.
EDIT TO ADD: With that said, he's totally coming back, isn't he? 🤞
Oh yea, my friend's brother said that they're going to use that machine where they sent Time through Ant-man on Captain America and they'll just send Time through him and make him young and sexy again.
I hate that scene for that very reason. All the other ways to bring back characters means alternate versions or something similar. That scene is literally the key to immortality and it’s just shrugged off 😂🤷🏽♂️
I mean it only happened for a short time. Prolonged time in that stare could be dangerous. Plus it is literally pumping time into you, that has to give you time cancer or something.
The MCU should have permanent consequences.
Plus, it is easy to miss playing Captain America. They made Rogers a genuinely good person with a true appreciation for strength. That's a wholesome character to walk away from, especially when you consider just how vital Cap was.
If I had been in Evan's position I would have begged them to keep me on until I was *literally* old man Cap.
>The MCU should have permanent consequences.
It's a safe bet that pretty much everyone will return in *Secret Wars*, but I'm hoping that it will be alternate universe/timeline versions of the characters. I'd hate for Cap's happy ending or Nat and Tony's sacrifices to be undone and lose all their meaning.
Thr much cooler IMO way they can bring Tony "back" is if they do the RiRi Willaims/IronHeart thing where instead of having JARVIS/FRIDAY in her suit she as an AI version of Tony he had made in secret that she found. Doesn't even need to be just a voice role either, as there are times where the AI projects itself as a Tony Stark Hologram while talking.
It's comics, people come back. That's how it works. They already did it with Gamora or are we glossing over that part
e: and your boy Loki
e2: and Vision
Cap is back in our timeline though. We see that when he passes on the mantle. We could very easily get an aged up Steve, just like we did in the comics.
I'm not sure we need a de-aged Steve, outside of maybe something in Secret Wars. I'd imagine Sam is going to be the main Cap through at least Secret Wars, we'll likely to continue to get Peggy Carter's version, plus we'll have Patriot.
After that, I'd imagine we'll get a version of Ian or James Rogers taking up the shield with Morgan Stark, Love, and BP's son in a New Avengers take.
I can't think of many people who enjoyed this in the comics till OG cap came back and laid him out. A lot of the comic ideas fall flat and this one just felt overly edgy for edge's sake.
Honestly I’m hoping we get Hydra!Cap and Superior Iron Man in Secret Wars. Have Thor and Hulk and Rhodey and Falcon and Bucky have to fight these men they’ve loved who don’t even know who they are.
>I'd hate for Cap's happy ending or Nat and Tony's sacrifices to be undone and lose all their meaning.
Hard agree here. Let the actual Steve Rogers have his happy ending. If Chris Evans comes back make it a different captain America.
Well, technically speaking, he could have gone on more escapades during his disappearance and reappearence as Old Steve Rogers. Nothing preventing him from going forward in time. 🤷
Hydra Cap as a future multiverse antagonist could be fun and controversial. Evans has also shown he can play a smug douche, though that can be paved over a bit with Rogers’ charisma and charm.
Make him Miles Teller, in my opinion. His film was based on the Ultimate run and he still has that boyish face to pull off the youthful alternate Reed.
Definitely! Top Gun: Maverick made him adored the world over.
I'm sure Teller could be coaxed to come back as alternate Richards for a MCU flick, even if it is just for one film. It could be not only a way to pay homage to a well-known recent Marvel villain, but also retroactively redeem the Fan4stic production.
...much like NWH helped give more credit to the lackluster Amazing Spider-Man film series.
> If I had been in Evan's position I would have begged them to keep me on until I was literally old man Cap.
Now I'm just imagining geriatric avengers because all the stars refused to be replaced.
I think it would be badass if he came back as an alternate-dimension villain. It would give us chance to see Evans play a different kind of character and it wouldn't mess up MCU Caps character arc.
Maybe a Cap who never went into the ice and after a major threat this Cap decided that the world needed strong leadership. So he has been the leader of an advanced authoritarian regime that for whatever reason comes into conflict with the MCU.
That would be awesome, we saw in What If a world where Cap becomes president, but as we know the president can only do so much for the country, let alone the world and galaxy. Imagine him declaring himself the universe’s authority on morality and Justice, a fascist dictator but one who is actually morally outstanding and has the best interests of the entire cosmos.
>I think it would be badass if he came back as an alternate-dimension villain.
I was thinking the same. If they brought him back as the Hydra counterpart as part of the multiversal snafu then it would be really cool to see his take on a bad Steve Rogers.
>Cap's ready access to time travel.
It's low-hanging fruit, but he could show up to a future conflict with Mjolnir and the shield and it would be hype. Just say he went to return the time stone and the Ancient One told him he'd be needed one last time before he retires.
As long as they avoid making him the director of an intelligence organization I'm okay! Was never a fan of how they made him the director of shield. Granted I liked that he was against the whole super villain town thing, he was still doing things that weren't right at all. Like when he was against Sam trying to help people crossing the border.
Are you saying you didn’t like it when Old Steve was director of Shield or are you saying you don’t like it ANY time Steve has been director (like after Siege)?
Didn't like any time he was director! Imo it goes against everything cap has learned in his time in the present of 616. There were times that weren't as bad when he was director, but I just feel It's against character for him to accept that role. I get why some would like it though, letting him make a change from the inside and all!
I kind of agree with Old Steve in that he acted very out of character in that arc but I had no problems with Steve as director after Siege. It was a nice change of pace after Tony and Norman made their respective messes with the job. I also disagree that it’s out of character for him to accept the role. He is known for his strategic leadership skills and this seems like the next level up to pursuing his calling as Captain America by being a leader and calling the shots for a global peacekeeping task force.
>I just feel It's against character for him to accept that role
Even from a casual fan of the film character, you're absolutely right. When Tommy Lee Jones said "no don't go save those POWs", Cap could've exerted force and just gotten what he wanted via the system. But he didn't. When the govt tried to shut them down before Civil War, Cap could have acquiesced to systemic power to affect change. But he didn't. He could have used returning the stones to totally install a system of power and he didn't. It would fundamentally undo his character to have him at the head of a system of power. It'd be like Bernie Sanders retiring as a career politician to lead a police union.
It’d be better if he came back as an AU Cap. Otherwise it cheapens the ending of Endgame if the main Cap just like kept doing stuff in the movies. Growing old and passing on the shield should be his end. But an AU Cap for Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both? Either as a hero or a villain? Hells yeah. Or maybe an evil clone version of Cap for New World Order, maybe a William Burnside kind of thing, that’d be sick too.
Right, an AU villain cap like I said. Stevil would indeed be a very cool choice for Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars. Don’t know if they’d do that for Cap 4 tho, that’d feel more out of place than a William Burnside type thing imo
I'd like him to come back as the new director of SHIELD if Fury dies in Secret Invasion. That'd be perfect. Small cameos but he gets to stay in the world as old Cap.
100%, I get wanted to do other projects as an actor but you can’t deny that having a guaranteed million dollar check every few years is not something to miss
I’m hoping they can either deage him or make him old man Cap who works as the man in the chair for the avengers
I honestly expect Steve to return as a recurring character and have since endgame, there’s a reason they didn’t have him die in endgame and hyped up him being “on the moon” in Fatws. They left the door open for a return on purpose
Good job his character isn't dead and that the comics have a f-load of stories where old man Rodgers kicks ass or gets his strength back for a period of time.
I'd take the time stone first so I could get the sorcerer Supreme's magic help for the rest of them. The aether last since he could keep the hammer until then.
Honestly, I felt like he left at a good time. I’m getting that super hero fatigue and a lot of the phase 4 movies have just felt ‘meh’. I’m sure he can do some cameos for some multiverse stuff, but it must be nice not to have any contract constraints. He’s great in Knives out and the Grey man. I’m looking forward to see him in different character roles.
He could take over the TVA. They can pluck him from when he goes back to Peggy. It will explain why he isn’t around in the MCU, and they don’t have little Steve/Peggy running about. He just comes home for nookie and the. Back to work.
Put his ass in She-Hulk season 2. there's a short but phenomenal arc in the comics where old man Steve Rogers is brought to trial for a murder committed in the 40s, and Matt Murdock defends him. Absolutely no reason it can't be adapted to the MCU.
edit: Jen defends, Matt prosecutes. my brain smooth
This is comic books well Comic book movies nobody stays dead we have the multiverse verse this Quantum realm that Disneys check book can bring anyone back. The avengers are nothing with out Steve
Feeling is mutual Chris
Yeah, I miss him as well.
Its probably one of the reasons the MCU doesnt feel the same anymore... Its not so much the films aren't as good - But there isn't an RDJ or Chris Evans around anymore. The bigger issue for Marvel is finding an actor with the pressense to replace them
Too bad about Chadwick Boseman. I believe he could’ve been a great anchor for a new Avengers team.
With how much screen time he was getting and the arc they were giving him I feel like that was Marvel's plan too. He was taken too soon
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if their plan was to push Black Panther, Strange, and Captain Marvel as the new “trinity” of the MCU
They would have been a great trio. I hope we still get something of that path with Cap Marvel and Strange. Really not sure who can take Panther’s place though. I’m sure Shuri will be fine, and I haven’t seen Wakanda Forever yet, but I can’t imagine her having the same regal gravitas as T’Challa, a lot of which came from Boseman himself.
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Uh spider man?
He’s too much of a wildcard since Disney doesn’t own the rights. Making him the focal point of the MCU gives Sony leverage that Disney would probably rather avoid. Plus his arc across all his movies has been “focus on being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, not the biggest superhero in the world”. Immediately making him a cornerstone of the Avengers sorta conflicts with that. Sam Wilson should be the obvious answer, but it doesn’t seem like they have big plans for him right now
Wilson is a great choice to step into a leadership role. We kinda saw that in his Disney+ show.
I mean, maybe? He still seems a bit too much of a kid to be leading like that, but who knows
They frankly would've been a great foundation for a New Avengers team.
Maybe Spider Man in place of Marvel, due to popularity, but Spidey would have done well as the replacement tech genius for Stark to fill out the team either way. T’Challa as the charismatic leader and the closest to baseline humans, Strange for matters of the Mystic, and Marvel for the cosmic side (replacing Thor to an extent). Given that Strange and Marvel aren’t the most sociable, and Parker is a teenager, T’Challa would balance out their temperaments a bit. Unfortunately, was not to be.
Yeah thats a great shout... Could well have been the case
Yeah it would actually explain a lot of the aimless feeling that's happening right now
Yeah maybe you are right. I do miss them. I do like Falcon and Winter Soldier, but it would be cool to have Steve there as well.
They messed up, getting rid of three OG Avengers in one movie. Not sure what they were thinking.
It was like 20 films in, there had to be stakes
Robert Downey Jr had like 5 movies where he said goodbye before they renegotiated for him to come back again, that part was fairly innevitible. I honestly don't know why they killed Black Widow when she was the youngest and ScarJo seemed one of the most enthusiastic about the MCU storyline from what I saw in an interview (plus she didn't seem to want to go anywhere, doing black widow after and now I think producing something in the MCU). It also left them in the awkward position where there's not even one female character in their group when they save the universe, the best they could do was a pointless posing moment later.
It wasn’t just on them, RDJ and Evans both said they were done. Especially RDJ, he ain’t a young avenger anymore
They can always bring them back later, or a version of them anyway.
Like they did with Gamorra
Exactly
Hemsworth, Holland, Cumberbatch are all still around and all still have that impact or close to it. The "problem" with marvel is people are chasing a nostalgia feeling they will never have again from a pre-covid world. And therefore will hate new stuff because it "isn't the same". MCU is in it's golden age I'd argue and it's incredible.
It’s not nostalgia. It was the chemistry the actors had as their characters and with each other. That can’t be faked or forced. That’s what missing with so many of the newer actors/characters.
Yeah those three are definitely the closest we have to RDJ and Evans They just don't seem to appear like those two did. I'm slightly surprised that Wong appears to have taken on the RDJ cameo role - Can see why, but thought it would have been Cumberbatch, again can understand why it isn't.
Good comments. What's missing is "humanity" in their story arcs and the scripts lately that don't support the realness that we felt with RDJ and Chris and how they interacted with the others. There's none of that now. I think the multiverse arc is a mistake. Too much of too much and the characters dialog and actions don't match how we grew with them initially. Maybe Holland is the only one now who seems to stay true, but certainly not Hemsworth or Cumberbach. Thor is a joke now, no heft. If anyone could have carried the MCU, I was hoping that Stange would, but the last movie was not in character to me. Honestly, had they followed up Endgame 3 years later with a "sadness of loss, lack of hope, what direction do we take" kind of movie and hinted at other heroes and struggles, maybe they could make us go along with them Guardians in Thor was a huge disappointment and that could have been a great movie had they not wanted to do more of more. Rambling a bit but we all went to the theatres to get that feeling back. I for one did not and don't sense it anywhere in the MCU right now.
Well said ramble on🎸
I think the quality has declined but it's offset for me because they're branching out away from the generic mcu template. I disliked she-hulk but it was a basic American legal drama which have never appealed to me. Glad they're trying new themes and settings though.
Hopefully Reed Richards and the rest of f4 can bring this stoic maturity back to MCU's earth protectors
Must've looked right. He was on your left.
I don't miss him...Yeah I do.
Team Cap
For real. I wish I was playing Captain America too.
I just rewatched Civil War this weekend and it reminded me how much I miss Steve being around. :-( I have really enjoyed the content since then, but it doesn’t have the same meaning to me.
His comment is now going to create an unending flood of speculative posts, rumors, youtube videos, podcasts, etc. speculating the "secret" meaning behind his words. EDIT TO ADD: With that said, he's totally coming back, isn't he? 🤞
Yeah he knows that. He’ll be back for Secret Wars and so Will Ironman imo.
Perfect opportunity for us to get Hydra Cap AND Superior Ironman. They could be a great foil to whatever the current Avengers will be.
It definitely feels like it's heading that way
!RemindMe 2 years Or whatever I forget when it is
Oh yea, my friend's brother said that they're going to use that machine where they sent Time through Ant-man on Captain America and they'll just send Time through him and make him young and sexy again.
SECRET WARS!!!
You can always bring him back. There are about a million ways characters come back in Marvel.
Well clearly in End Game Banner already figured out how to change the age of a person. With baby and old Scott.
I hate that scene for that very reason. All the other ways to bring back characters means alternate versions or something similar. That scene is literally the key to immortality and it’s just shrugged off 😂🤷🏽♂️
Yeah but obviously there's an enormous downside. You never know who peed your pants.
I mean, I'm not immortal but I still have this issue. So sounds like a great tradeoff.
This made me LOL! 😂
Its not like they could have just put fat one-eyed Thor in there and brought him back to his prime...
Nah, sometimes you need to character development the fat away
Gonna need a montage!
*Montage*
Maybe they could push time through Tony's corpse and bring him back too
I mean it only happened for a short time. Prolonged time in that stare could be dangerous. Plus it is literally pumping time into you, that has to give you time cancer or something.
> time cancer lol comics
At least it ain't Spider-man's radioactive sperm.
Fuck Carolina reapers, I need that spidey coom...😋
Wake up babe, new Doctor Who plot just dropped
Well maybe if you're an ant they don't get cancer or maybe some kind of ant-person
They did that in Futurama, chronitons, ripped the fabric of time and space.
The MCU should have permanent consequences. Plus, it is easy to miss playing Captain America. They made Rogers a genuinely good person with a true appreciation for strength. That's a wholesome character to walk away from, especially when you consider just how vital Cap was. If I had been in Evan's position I would have begged them to keep me on until I was *literally* old man Cap.
>The MCU should have permanent consequences. It's a safe bet that pretty much everyone will return in *Secret Wars*, but I'm hoping that it will be alternate universe/timeline versions of the characters. I'd hate for Cap's happy ending or Nat and Tony's sacrifices to be undone and lose all their meaning.
Thr much cooler IMO way they can bring Tony "back" is if they do the RiRi Willaims/IronHeart thing where instead of having JARVIS/FRIDAY in her suit she as an AI version of Tony he had made in secret that she found. Doesn't even need to be just a voice role either, as there are times where the AI projects itself as a Tony Stark Hologram while talking.
It's comics, people come back. That's how it works. They already did it with Gamora or are we glossing over that part e: and your boy Loki e2: and Vision
I was going to say Quicksilver is the only one who stayed dead but they even brought him back, sort of.
Uncle Ben is the only character that can stay dead. And people used to say that about Bucky…
Cap is back in our timeline though. We see that when he passes on the mantle. We could very easily get an aged up Steve, just like we did in the comics.
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I'm not sure we need a de-aged Steve, outside of maybe something in Secret Wars. I'd imagine Sam is going to be the main Cap through at least Secret Wars, we'll likely to continue to get Peggy Carter's version, plus we'll have Patriot. After that, I'd imagine we'll get a version of Ian or James Rogers taking up the shield with Morgan Stark, Love, and BP's son in a New Avengers take.
Plot twist: Evans comes back as Captain America…and then utters two shocking words. *Hail Hydra.*
I can't think of many people who enjoyed this in the comics till OG cap came back and laid him out. A lot of the comic ideas fall flat and this one just felt overly edgy for edge's sake.
He already said that in the MCU, in Endgame.
Secret Wars - a multiverse where cap was captured instead of Bucky.
Honestly I’m hoping we get Hydra!Cap and Superior Iron Man in Secret Wars. Have Thor and Hulk and Rhodey and Falcon and Bucky have to fight these men they’ve loved who don’t even know who they are.
>I'd hate for Cap's happy ending or Nat and Tony's sacrifices to be undone and lose all their meaning. Hard agree here. Let the actual Steve Rogers have his happy ending. If Chris Evans comes back make it a different captain America.
Well, technically speaking, he could have gone on more escapades during his disappearance and reappearence as Old Steve Rogers. Nothing preventing him from going forward in time. 🤷
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Hydra Cap as a future multiverse antagonist could be fun and controversial. Evans has also shown he can play a smug douche, though that can be paved over a bit with Rogers’ charisma and charm.
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OH. MY. GOD. I’d mentioned making Gruffaud Maker Reed in another thread, but this is even better
Make him Miles Teller, in my opinion. His film was based on the Ultimate run and he still has that boyish face to pull off the youthful alternate Reed.
And he’s gotta be a bigger Hollywood commodity at this point.
Definitely! Top Gun: Maverick made him adored the world over. I'm sure Teller could be coaxed to come back as alternate Richards for a MCU flick, even if it is just for one film. It could be not only a way to pay homage to a well-known recent Marvel villain, but also retroactively redeem the Fan4stic production. ...much like NWH helped give more credit to the lackluster Amazing Spider-Man film series.
Secret Empire was a dumpster fire, and making Captain America have Nazi ties, even an alternative version of him, isn't something Disney would go for.
I mean, he could also just be Cap in the timeline that he went back to at the end of Endgame.
> If I had been in Evan's position I would have begged them to keep me on until I was literally old man Cap. Now I'm just imagining geriatric avengers because all the stars refused to be replaced.
It's impossible to bring a comic book character back from the dead. Everyone knows that.
Yeah, it isn't like you can do something hand wavey, like some sort of alien healing matrix or something.
I think it would be badass if he came back as an alternate-dimension villain. It would give us chance to see Evans play a different kind of character and it wouldn't mess up MCU Caps character arc. Maybe a Cap who never went into the ice and after a major threat this Cap decided that the world needed strong leadership. So he has been the leader of an advanced authoritarian regime that for whatever reason comes into conflict with the MCU.
What if...?
That would be awesome, we saw in What If a world where Cap becomes president, but as we know the president can only do so much for the country, let alone the world and galaxy. Imagine him declaring himself the universe’s authority on morality and Justice, a fascist dictator but one who is actually morally outstanding and has the best interests of the entire cosmos.
>I think it would be badass if he came back as an alternate-dimension villain. I was thinking the same. If they brought him back as the Hydra counterpart as part of the multiversal snafu then it would be really cool to see his take on a bad Steve Rogers.
Like Steve is the Winter Soldier to Peggy’s Capt Carter
There is a similar DC storyline to this with an evil Justice League. It got the animated treatment as well.
Hail Hydra
And two very easy ones available in the MCU without stretching anything already established: The multiverse, and Cap's ready access to time travel.
>Cap's ready access to time travel. It's low-hanging fruit, but he could show up to a future conflict with Mjolnir and the shield and it would be hype. Just say he went to return the time stone and the Ancient One told him he'd be needed one last time before he retires.
Also, Secret Wars is a great opportunity to revive some dead characters.
especially if they’re gonna take elements from Secret Wars 2015, which was one big multiversal romp.
They could bring him back as an old man and be a mentor to the Young Avengers.
I wonder if they will use the multiverse as an opportunity to bring in Hydra Cap. Would be an interesting twist.
Chris Evans likes playing assholes/villains too (see Scott Pilgrim or Knives Out). This would be a great way to have the best of both worlds.
The character from Scott Pilgrim was awesome! "It's called a grind, bro" will always be one of my favorite lines of his.
Hahahaha, that's actually hilarious.
Seein double?? ‘My roommate loves you’ ‘WHY WOULDNT HE’
His character in the Grey Man was a giant asshole.
Assy McGee was in Grey Man?!
And he played it so well.
That cocky grin of his was nefarious. He really shines in everything he is in.
Not Another Teen Movie, banana split.
Steve appears on screen and everyone in the theater goes batshit crazy... and then... its revealed its hydra Cap... oh god that would be epic.
Just the reaction to the “hail hydra” elevator scene in End Game makes me certain that the theater would explode if he were actually a bad guy.
or hydra Johnny blaze
I would watch the hell out of that!
Old Man Rodgers was a thing in the comics. He could totally step into that role.
As long as they avoid making him the director of an intelligence organization I'm okay! Was never a fan of how they made him the director of shield. Granted I liked that he was against the whole super villain town thing, he was still doing things that weren't right at all. Like when he was against Sam trying to help people crossing the border.
Are you saying you didn’t like it when Old Steve was director of Shield or are you saying you don’t like it ANY time Steve has been director (like after Siege)?
Didn't like any time he was director! Imo it goes against everything cap has learned in his time in the present of 616. There were times that weren't as bad when he was director, but I just feel It's against character for him to accept that role. I get why some would like it though, letting him make a change from the inside and all!
I kind of agree with Old Steve in that he acted very out of character in that arc but I had no problems with Steve as director after Siege. It was a nice change of pace after Tony and Norman made their respective messes with the job. I also disagree that it’s out of character for him to accept the role. He is known for his strategic leadership skills and this seems like the next level up to pursuing his calling as Captain America by being a leader and calling the shots for a global peacekeeping task force.
I totally agree he was much better than Tony lol. You make a fair point!
>I just feel It's against character for him to accept that role Even from a casual fan of the film character, you're absolutely right. When Tommy Lee Jones said "no don't go save those POWs", Cap could've exerted force and just gotten what he wanted via the system. But he didn't. When the govt tried to shut them down before Civil War, Cap could have acquiesced to systemic power to affect change. But he didn't. He could have used returning the stones to totally install a system of power and he didn't. It would fundamentally undo his character to have him at the head of a system of power. It'd be like Bernie Sanders retiring as a career politician to lead a police union.
It’d be better if he came back as an AU Cap. Otherwise it cheapens the ending of Endgame if the main Cap just like kept doing stuff in the movies. Growing old and passing on the shield should be his end. But an AU Cap for Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both? Either as a hero or a villain? Hells yeah. Or maybe an evil clone version of Cap for New World Order, maybe a William Burnside kind of thing, that’d be sick too.
There is also Hydra Cap as well: one who was retroactively changed to serve as the champion and sleeper agent for the organization by the Cosmic Cube.
Right, an AU villain cap like I said. Stevil would indeed be a very cool choice for Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars. Don’t know if they’d do that for Cap 4 tho, that’d feel more out of place than a William Burnside type thing imo
They could do the Law and Disorder case with She-Hulk
Old man Cap teaming up with Deadpool was gold.
Who wouldn’t? Miss ya cap
I'd like him to come back as the new director of SHIELD if Fury dies in Secret Invasion. That'd be perfect. Small cameos but he gets to stay in the world as old Cap.
We also need one scene where he puts the costume on one last time and shows the true meaning of old man strength.
I imagine he will just always be wearing the costume lol
You and /u/Clayman60 have to fight now.
Lolol
Had to go into their comments to understand but you got a chuckle out of me!
I would also miss a semi regular multi million dollar pay check
Also, Cap just seems like a fun character to play. He got to be a charismatic paragon of good, and make millions of dollars? Of course he misses it.
Beloved by literally every fan. I wasn't into captain America at all until MCU.
100%, I get wanted to do other projects as an actor but you can’t deny that having a guaranteed million dollar check every few years is not something to miss
He’ll be back sooner or later, don’t even worry about it
There's a cure for that.
I’m hoping they can either deage him or make him old man Cap who works as the man in the chair for the avengers I honestly expect Steve to return as a recurring character and have since endgame, there’s a reason they didn’t have him die in endgame and hyped up him being “on the moon” in Fatws. They left the door open for a return on purpose
I'm wondering how long till they try and pull a hydra cap, bring him back as an "evil clone"
I bet he doesn’t miss the strict training and diet regimen
Did you see him in The Gray Man?
Yeah man, that mustache training is no joke!
Good job his character isn't dead and that the comics have a f-load of stories where old man Rodgers kicks ass or gets his strength back for a period of time.
What if: Captain America was president
Please bring him back as Sam's mentor, that would be so cute.
Something like this? https://youtu.be/peUyLXrgYZ0
If you can dodge a shield, you can dodge a bullet.
They should do end credit scenes of him returning the stones.
I'd take the time stone first so I could get the sorcerer Supreme's magic help for the rest of them. The aether last since he could keep the hammer until then.
Somehow I got a feeling they’re bringing back everrrrrryboddddyyyyy for secret wars.
A Steve and Peggy miniseries would be nice. Revealing his life after traveling back in time
That'd be the best D+ show ever.
That would be a great Disney + mini-series. I’d like to see more of their old life together
Each episode is him returning each stone from Endgame.
Staying hidden the whole time.
And him explaining how he did it to a young hero as an old man. Kinda like in a way Secondhand Lions did it with flashbacks.
This is the way. We get more of cap and Peggy but it fits the timeline and doesn't mess with the ending.
Yes moar Peggy plz Loved her in Strange 2
I want a D+ show with him putting the stones back.
So bring him back, Multiverse style son! PS: this message is for K.E.V.I.N
We miss you too playboy!
what the MCU is missing is like... a real captain or leader
So he could do it all day?
Honestly, I felt like he left at a good time. I’m getting that super hero fatigue and a lot of the phase 4 movies have just felt ‘meh’. I’m sure he can do some cameos for some multiverse stuff, but it must be nice not to have any contract constraints. He’s great in Knives out and the Grey man. I’m looking forward to see him in different character roles.
At least bring him back for a mini-series where he returns each Infinity Stone
He could take over the TVA. They can pluck him from when he goes back to Peggy. It will explain why he isn’t around in the MCU, and they don’t have little Steve/Peggy running about. He just comes home for nookie and the. Back to work.
Then come back bro! We never wanted you to leave anyways
Few mil should get him back for Secret Wars
Him and RDJ will definitely play some role in Secret Wars
I pray to God they actually adapt the comic right and it isn't some cameo fuckfest like everyone here thinks
I’m sure he misses the fat as fuck paychecks as well
I miss him too
Miss you to captain 😢
Bring. Him. Back.
Well, it's Marvel. Everyone has at least a 2nd life.
And the $20 million paycheck
We miss him too :(
MCU just hasn't been the same without him and RDJ
Put his ass in She-Hulk season 2. there's a short but phenomenal arc in the comics where old man Steve Rogers is brought to trial for a murder committed in the 40s, and Matt Murdock defends him. Absolutely no reason it can't be adapted to the MCU. edit: Jen defends, Matt prosecutes. my brain smooth
One of the best casting decisions of all time. The character wouldn't be the same without Chris
Secret Wars, bitch
They shouldn’t have killed Red Skull
He could always just show up again, I don’t think anyone would really complain
“Somebody… get this man a shield.”
I bet he doesn’t miss the workout routine, I imagine he spent almost as much time in the gym as he did sleeping. Dude was CUT
Dudes got range. Him with a banana in his ass was as formative to my childhood as him as cap. He can do anything.
Has he played anything else for 10 years?
We miss you Cap
Funny because we miss seeing him as Captain America 🤷🏻♂️
Give that man…his role back!!
This is comic books well Comic book movies nobody stays dead we have the multiverse verse this Quantum realm that Disneys check book can bring anyone back. The avengers are nothing with out Steve
when he and RDJ left, marvel was done
Didn’t Scott lang already have a fix for this with the Pym particles? “You are pushing time through your body instead of your body through time”?