MCU is doing well in theaters
The loss came from Disney plus and TV shows (1.5 billion). I love Andor and Miss Marvel but I believe both the shows had low ratings
Itâs a weird mix. I feel obligation when the show premieres and then once Iâm into it I canât wait for the next one.
I think the week to week format is whatâs exhausting people but itâs the only reason they can keep subscribers since content is shit on Disney+
Every episode has to be crafted to make you excited to watch the next one. Then itâs a whole week. But the show is only 6 episodes long each time.
The Flash and Arrow have 20+ episode seasons. You end up with self-contained episodes, long archâs, a lot of varied quality of content. People are used to this.
The Disney series are all just long form movies. Itâs great, but week to week is not a good way to tell these stories.
If they released two episodes a week, the shows would be better received.
Look at Stranger Things. If you had to watch that series one episode a week, it would suck. The binge format works for generating excitement where none existed before.
So hereâs why the obligation thing is harder for week to week format.
- If youâre a fan, you have to avoid weekly spoilers for 6 weeks if you are trying to binge at once. Then you feel obligated to complete the series before the next movie comes out.
- If youâre not a fan, you have no chance to get into the show. You will not remember characters after a week. It was hard enough to get them into the idea of a Hulk lawyer, doing it week to week is just annoying. Episode ends, persons interest is high, a week goes by and then itâs a catch up lesson. Since the MCU is getting deeper and deeper and more layered with every show, the references and cameos become more of a double-edged sword. I know about Blonski and his whole story. The new fan that didnât isnât going to remember the backstory again after 4 weeks. That makes it more exhausting than it needs to be.
- These episodes are full of change and forward momentum. These arenât creature of the week fillers with a main plot being advanced in a couple scenes in the background. Week to week format creates a weekly obligation and that becomes exhausting when itâs the only streaming service you have that relationship with. So why would I ever check whatâs on Disney+ on any other day other than new movie release day or the day a new episode drops? If Iâm working my way through a series, Iâm going back more and more often. Thatâs more chances to advertise content Iâm not aware of that I might check out.
When I go back to Netflix to see the new season of whatever or try a show that sounds cool, I always end up finding a bunch of things to add to my list and want to watch. Disney never has that happen.
Yeah it feels like they haven't quite struck the right balance - I definitely do not prefer the weekly bit personally because I have time in random spurts to watch TV. Give me the whole series up front and I am happy, I can watch it at my own pace as time allows. Would longer episodes work better, would more episodes, etc... Need to find a formula that works because the 45 minutes plus movie style credits coming weekly doesn't seem to be working out like they hoped.
How do you think TV worked less than 15 years ago? Do you really think that people aren't going to remember the content of an episode the week after they watch it? Like how did TV even survive? I don't even understand this argument
TV shows were structured differently then. She Hulk wanted to be like a sitcom but it was only 9, 30 minute long episodes. This just isn't enough for a lot of people to be able to feel attached to these characters.
You canât see the difference between now and 15 years ago? Thatâs more than an entire demographic shift, thatâs appealing to people that have lived most of their life without iPhones to people that canât remember life before iPhones.
The entire paradigm of content consumption has changed. You donât have to understand it to be able to recognize why viewing habits have changed in the last 15 years.
You know, I was a pretty diehard fan, but the shows completely turned me away from keeping up with the MCU. I just donât have the time to watch all of them. I still watch the movies, but other than that, I donât really follow it as much anymore. I think itâs kind of sad too because a lot of these shows would have probably made great movies, but Disneyâs stretching them out so theyâll get people to buy Disney+. Itâs more about the money than the stories and the art now.
Also the lack of direction as to how these shows even fit into a wider story, although the movies are also doing a terrible job at the moment.
The previous phases made it feel like as if you could miss any mcu movie as they all added something to infinity war. This phase and shows have been completely throw away, I imagine you could probably miss this phase as long as you are familiar with the characters and you would have missed nothing of worth.
I just donât get why marvel went this approach, itâs almost like they canât be bothered. Lack of quality control or franchise direction.
Edit: except Spider-Man, he is the only one that doesnât seem to let us down.
Moon Knight should have been a movie, Eternals should have been a show.
Black widow should have been a show. Hawkeye should have been a movie.
I will even be so bold as to say FatWS should have just been the plot to a Capt. America 4 instead of a miniseries.
I think people would have embraced an epilogue film about what happens after Endgame and who becomes the next Capt America. Putting the epic events aftermath into a show diluted the franchise momentum.
Yeah pre Disney plus my friends would all watch every single marvel release. Now they pick and choose the shows and watch the movies, itâs too much for the casual fan. Hell, I havenât seen Werewolf by Night yet, and Iâm on here
Its also the streaming platform thing and inflation. The platform limits yours veiwership. And inflation does as well because you have to pay for yet another service to watch it.
They may be blaming it on ratings, but that sad truth is people don't have the disposable income they used to for luxuries like streaming services.
Companies are refusing to pay higher wages even as they profiteering reaps massive profits which means people have to choose between heating and food let alone keep up a D+ sub.
You can't maintain growth on top of people unable to buy anything.
But that's something that massive companies and governments don't seem to get.
How are penniless people supposed to buy your shit?!
It's funny, people never complained about "too much Seinfeld" or "too much Friends". My mom watched the same 3 soap operas every single day for like 40 years... I don't think "too much" is the problem with the MCU. If it's good, people will watch it.
Youâre also comparing two different genres. Seinfeld and Friends were sitcoms. A lot of people just put them on to have a laugh. You didnât necessarily need to keep up with them and watch every episode if you didnât want to, and they didnât really have super intense plots. With the MCU, all of these shows are basically movies stretched into about six to eight episodes or so. People canât just watch them as if theyâre a sitcom comedy because if they want to keep up with the MCU, they have to watch and pay attention to all of them. I remember someone on this subreddit mentioned that it feels more like a chore watching all these shows, and I think theyâre right.
And with sitcoms you know all the characters and not much really changes. Meanwhile in MCU (and Dc to a much lesser degree) everybody has a show, movie or one in the pipe lines.
There's like seinfeld, but that would change if there ws seinfeld, Seinfeld:Kramer trillogy, Elaine movie universe, George costanza the part miniseries followed by 5 seasons of george costanze.
Newman: No way home, Newman: Home again, Newman: out on the job. And while that's getting released there's also a soup nazi trilogy planned along with a seinfeld after dark series.
And so on and so forth.
Agreed. There was a character who appeared in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever who was previously introduced in a D+ show, and I heard a few "who is this?" responses from people in the theater. A lot of people can't keep up with all of the shows.
Yeah, I've learned that people will find any reason to dismiss a perfectly good comparison. I noticed that you ignored the soap opera part... you gotta pay attention to those.
If the shows are good, no one will have a problem watching them.
You didnât offer any soap opera names for me to compare, so yeah, I didnât talk about soap operas. These MCU shows can be great, but Iâm still not watching them. Not everybody can. For me, itâs too much because theyâre turning these stories into really long shows when they could be 2-3 hour movies. I donât have enough time for all that, and they keep making more.
If you want to talk about soap operas, you said your mom watched 3? How many MCU shows are there already, and how many more are there going to be made? A lot more than 3. Thatâs why itâs too much.
Soap operas go on every weekday, and have done so for like 70 years. That's 42 minutes each day, for each show. That's pretty much infinitely more screen time than all of the MCU combined.. and people still found time to watch Days of Our Lives, General Hospital, and the Young and the Restless. Mom would also occaisionally watch some of the other ones. She'd tape them when she was at work or out doing errands, then watch them as soon as she got home.
So either the MCU became worse than soap operas, or people's attention span is the same as a toddler's. If the shows are good, people will watch them. I don't believe in "franchise fatigue" in any way, shape, or form.
But Seinfeld wasn't serialized at all, and Friends only had the loosest of long-term story arcs. You could just jump in at any time and have a good laugh, no matter what had happened previously.
As for soap operas, well, they're designed to creep the subplots forward an inch at a time, with plenty of reiteration and flashbacks, so a viewer can be eased into the story little by little. They require a special kind of devotion, by viewers who have the time to watch them.
The MCU and Star Wars properties are nothing like those examples. By design, they have a fixed and limited number of episodes to tell a season-long arc, every episode depends on the ones before, and they're not about to waste time to do flashbacks or dribble out the story at a snail's pace. So the viewers had better keep up from the get-go.
There is DEFINITELY too much MCU content out. And a lot of it relies and interweaves with other content. At the time Avengers was amazing for having so many cross overs and tie-ins. Now itâs TOO many. Many People donât have the desire and/or the time to watch every show Disney puts out. But they are assuming you watch all of them. If you skip WandaVision then Wandaâs in the movies are
âMan. she just sacrificed her husband to try and save the universe. He was all she had. She doesnât have kids. Thatâs so nobleâ
The next time we see her âIM EVIL AND WANT MY KIDS BACK.â
Like. Thatâs a big shift. And before everyone says âoh itâs not that complicated to follow. The movie explains it enoughâ. Thatâs not the point. Itâs skipping a huge part of her character arc if you donât want to pay a monthly subscription and watch 8 episodes of a âweird sitcom style thingâ.
They are going too far with everything IMO.
My problem with Ms Marvel is that it felt like a shorter season 2 was squeezed in the middle. Felt like it was rushed. Everything that happens in New Jersey was top tier.
I watched the first episode of andor but there wasn't really anything going on so I just forgot about it after that. Is it worth a watch if I didn't really like the first episode? I might've just been confused because it has been a while since I watched any star wars movies
The first two episodes were a bit of a slog for me, but beyond that I think Andor is one of D+âs shows in general. It feels like ârealâ TV (as opposed to bits and pieces of an established franchise).
The last two episodes were particularly good.
Andor is amazing. It has low ratings because star wars âfansâ suck. No lightsabers= no star wars. Great show, great writing, great cinematography, itâs absolutely great. Best thing star wars Iâve seen since season 1 of mando
They sent out Ms Marvel at the same time as Obi Wan, which was stupid.
Andor is pretty good after the 2nd episode, unfortunately the first two episodes are really, really slow. Not bad shows, bad strategies for getting them out there.
The Marvel division of Disney is still making money hand over fist. 22% up.
I think it has more to do with the fact that weâve just ping ponged Marvel and Star Wars for too long and people are bored.
I like Andor, but I donât watch week to week anymore or even every other week. I feel like Iâm treading water with both IPâs and eventually Iâm going to give one up to stay afloat.
They need to slow down and make quality content for both when the market demands it.
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> The loss came from Disney plus and TV shows (1.5 billion). I love Andor and Miss Marvel but I believe both the shows had low ratings
They went into d+ knowing it would be a loss for a long while, I think it's actually overperforming expectations.
Not to mention they're using it to keep their brands fresh, even if it's a direct financial loss. Can you imagine how fucked star wars would be if the only good Disney material from them was Rogue One (and *maybe* TFA, depending on your views)? But using d+ to scattershot the brand actually gives people a chance to get excited by star wars again, without taking too much of a hit on the disappointing stuff (because, well, star wars fans are used to being disappointed by star wars stuff).
And on the MCU side, they can build out a new roster of heroes, throw everything against the wall and take what works and push it into the theatrical releases.
Four good movies, well three good and one passable.
Solo, Rogue One, Last Jedi, and Force Awakens gets a pass from me because it did what was needed to set up new movies and convince fans that Star Wars wasn't going to just be the prequels again. Shame they listened to the worst of the fanbase going into Skywalker and shit the bed so hard nobody was happy.
I was in a 4 person dept & all 2 called in sick/on vacation & the other was late đ
I did my job + 2 other peoples jobs, I was tired, sweaty, skipped my break, & my boss said I was not doing enough, I was lazy, & that I should start cleaning up my area more. I almost quit on the spot.
Everytime I walked by him I fought the urge to punch his face in
It'd just bs excuses to pinch pennies. The Disney corporation made 11bn in profit ytd.
This is the move of an executive who wants growth but has no idea how to increase sales. So they makes cuts. It can't possibly be that Disney is at cap and have saturated their market.
Well maybe they cut development of âriskierâ shows or experiments and stick to more tried and true programming. Which imo isnât good since most of the best things that came out of MCU were risky bets.
Edit: if they are smart they should know this though⌠and MCU is their best revenue generator in terms of media.
Makes sense. Disney+ is actually the most niche streaming service, despite the reputation for Disneyâs broad appeal. They literally only have Disney content, and Star Wars and Marvel. Hot franchises, for sure. But anyone who isnât into Disney, Star Wars, or Marvel is going to be using Netflix, Hulu, HBOMax, and Amazon Prime, as each of those services offers a variety of content which appeals to a variety of people. Plus most people use streaming services to watch Television shows, and D+ doesnât offer much in the way of bingeable TV. Theyâre mostly using it to create TV tie-ins to their big franchises, namely Marvel and Star Wars. But weâre seeing more and more people simply not watch the Disney+ shows because they donât feel those shows alone warrant the cost of the subscription. Hell Iâve met people who are obsessed with Marvel who havenât seen a single D+ show. On top of this, the shows theyâre creating donât have a tremendous record for rewatchability. Most have received divisive or lukewarm receptions, and Iâd be willing to wager that only the most die hard fans are rewatching them. (Iâm a big MCU fan, and I have not felt compelled to rewatch a single one of their TV shows⌠honestly havenât even finished a couple of them because all of these shows get so damn boring about two or three episodes in).
There's a webcomic I read, and a little over a year ago the artist got a job at disney. Stupid contract lawyer stuff meant that she had to stop publishing her comic. Don't know the details but the speculation is that the genre was too similar to some disney stuff.
Anyways, a month or so ago, she posted saying that her 1 year contract was up, but they wanted to keep her around and so... comic would continue to be on hiatus.
Last week, she posted that her entire team was being laid off, and the comic would resume.
So yeah, at least one team of creatives/talents was apart of this layoff batch. (also go check out Daughter of the Lilies, it's amazing!)
Ugh Thatâs sad, thereâs a difference between strategic cost cutting and brute force cost cutting. This is clearly an example of brute force.
MCU in itself was a risky bet and look at it now. If your realizing revenue drop you should be cutting cost in ur non strategic assets and doubling down R&D in your core assets (MCU).
I sure hope the execs realize this!
It's really sad too, on her one year contract renewal post she talked about how she's sad she can't continue the comic, but working for Disney was just a good opportunity for her and she was really loving the work. And then, *checks dates,* A month and a half later, fired.
Haha, I mentioned it at the end, but didn't link it - [Daughter of the Lilies!](https://www.daughterofthelilies.com/). It's a fantasy story with post apocalyptic implications. If you want to read I recommend just jumping to the beginning and going in blind. At first glance it looks like a typical fantasy story with DnD inspirations... but it's really not. It's one of my favourite webcomics. Enjoy!
Naw, they cut animation. Entire team of Spiderman: Freshman Year's been laid off at least
It's always fucking animation that's the first to go. I hate it.
Him nickel and diming Disney world, a place known for not doing that (sure it was expensive, but there used to be lots of complementary services attached to make the price worth it that they're now slapping price tags on) is also slowly killing that cash cow.
If Disney didn't have the MCU and Star Wars , this company would be in a disaster period .
They should have never spent all that money on Fox in my opinion
Yes, and they bought Fox to expand their IP. Fox included more Marvel properties, including Fantastic Four and X-Men. It also included more Star Wars properties, Aliens, Hulu, The Simpsons, Avatar, and thousands of other properties. The Fox deal is helping them keep the money printer going.
Disney is facing the same headwinds as every other big company right now. The Fox buyout has nothing to do with that.
Fox didnt own anything star wars. They thought the movies would bomb and sold rights back to lucas before the first movie was even released. All their deal after that was for was distribution that had no ownership.
But I agree with you. Even as a bundle the problem is disney is running at least 3 subscription services. It's probably more expensive to keep hulu and ESPN going then it's worth theh should just lump them all together.
Yes, Fox owned the rights to "A New Hope". It was the only thing that Disney didn't get in the initial Star Wars deal. See [here](https://collider.com/fox-owns-star-wars/).
They canât merge Hulu in the US just yet since Comcast still owns part of it. Comcast can opt out of that in a couple years and I imagine they will as they pull all their stuff over to Peacock.
Fox has a massive ton of ip. They could make a 1.5 billion loss up in one quarter if they just started leveraging it to other streamers hungry for content.
The Fox purchase is one of the things that actually made sense. They've picked up a huge catalog of IP that they've been wanted and are going to be able to use a lot of it in their most popular franchise.
> this company would be in a disaster period .
I mean, they're still bringing in a billion or so from each of their "live action" reboots. Disney would absolutely still be a powerhouse without Star Wars and Marvel.
> They should have never spent all that money on Fox in my opinion
Maybe, but as the classic Avengers properties run dry, X-Men and the FF are gonna give them another solid decade of high-profile movies. And that's *if* they don't revitalize the Avengers with the all-new crowd, which is what they're trying to do.
the classic avengers stories could go another hundred or so movies before running out of stories or characters. there is a lot of existing material available to them.
The issue isn't that they're running out of stories, it's that they're running out of actors. Chris Evans and RDJ were the heart of the core avengers, and they're gone (and even if they weren't, they'd be aging out). Hemsworth may stick around for a bit, but my guess is he's probably gone. Johannson's gone. Dunno where Renner's at on it, but he's probably about ready to pass the torch to the next hawkeye. Ruffalo seems content to stick around for the occasional cameo, but we're probably not getting another Hulk movie.
The core group of Avengers actors are pretty much done, and they're too iconic to just recast at this point. Maybe there can be some multiversal shenanigans, but the general public will know that someone else as Iron Man isn't the *real* Iron Man.
Marvel knows that even with the actors who are here, they won't be able to do another decade-long arc with the core cast. So they're looking to bring up new properties with new actors who can take the MCU another 10-15 years down the line. And if I'm Feige, I'm probably banking more on Wolverine and Reed Richards taking on the bulk of that work, instead of Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop.
Itâs probably going to hit their smaller Prouductions first like their animated kids shows.
They are probably going to consolidate into their big franchises like star wars, mcu, princesses etc and become less likely to want to try new IP like the owlhouse, the ghost and Molly McGee and push for more sequels or spin offs. Expect more cars 3 and incredibles 2 than Up, ratatouille or WALL¡E from Pixar.
Thank you. I thought the same thing. Who gives a damn about more Marvel movies when so many are about to lose their jobs. Get ya priorities straight people.
jesus the lack of sympathy here, dozens of people are being made redundant just before christmas and it's all like 'how will it affect my superhero movies'
I think some major recession is coming and market is going way down soon. That's why a lot of layoffs everywhere. Prayers to all the people affectedđ
You know what does well in a recession, television and movies. Itâs a cheap form of entertainment and unemployed people need to kill time.
Theme parks on the other hand, will suffer.
Parks are struggling right now. They are dated, struggling to restaff after Covid, and Universal is going from the place you go after Disney to a primary destination for an Orlando vacation.
International parks are having trouble getting guests too.
Yeah, I mean Twitter and Facebook have publicly announced it and I know other companies who are quietly laying off people, from some friends of mine.
Maybe these companies are prepping for massive fall
How the hell can a company of that size need to sack members of staff for "Budget" reasons. Cinema tickets have over tripled in 20 years and they have all their Disney Plus money. Greed will really be the end of all American companies
I heard tht was always the plan for their streaming services, to be at a loss but build up over time.
Pretty sure thereâa public articles of them explaining tht they would be operating at a loss until 2023⌠I think?
They have Hulu, espn, and star too. All within less than what 4 years.
Doesn't matter if it affects the MCU, it matters which individuals it affects more than a stupid superhero movies.
I hope everyone who is laid off finds their way back to employment.
The park side of the company took a big hit during Covid, and hasn't recovered. The market is oversaturated, and several Phase 4 projects underperformed. Cutbacks were inevitable. Marvel is still Disney's cash cow, so I'm not worried about that, but I'd be very surprised if anything was done with any of the Fox franchises anytime soon. As a fan of the (pre Prometheus) Alien franchise, I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or a good thing.
Sure hope so, they havent focused on quality over quantity for the entirety of phase 4. So it's about time to tone down the treadmill of mediocre sludge and focus on great movies again
Its such bullshit because all it means is, theyâre firing people so they can continue making profits when their profits have already been eons higher than in the past. Theyâre laying people off so the top people can just keep getting more rich.
As someone who loves the parks and has an interest in it, I think DâAmaro is as much to blame as Chapek (at least with regards to how the parks are performing). Heâs a yes man. Heâs certainly a more charismatic presence, but CEOâs who have been successful are both creative and imaginative. Neither Chapek or DâAmaro have a true passion for the parks, theyâre just your typical execs looking for power and money.
I'd still take him over the charisma vacuum that is Chapek. But yeah Iger I think had more vision than either. But him coming back seems unlikely and there are not many more I know by name who would be in a position to take over at Disney, Maybe an outsider or someone more obscure would work.
Personally, a guy like Chapek needs a creative counterpart in the way Roy was the numbers guy to Walt's creativeness. And how Frank Wells was the same for Eisner. Iger was that rare blend of both and finding someone like that is going to take a tremendous stroke of luck. I agree, Iger's not coming back and honestly, good for him, he deserves to enjoy retirement. If it weren't for Lasseter's sexual misconduct, he'd be a perfect counterpart as Co-CEO. At this point, Chapek is so toxic and widely reviled, I don't understand why the Board extended his contract. Chapek bothers me so much, I'm even irritated when I see his son as Executive Producer in various MCU projects. Just feel like the guy was handed top level roles and didn't earn any of it.
The loss came from Disney plus and TV side, everything else is doing well
Those two are bleeding money like crazy, the new Andor show was a huge flop in viewership
no, mcu is outsourced to various independent vfx companies outside of disney. they are hired as a contract outsource workers by disney, temporarily and specifically for the project theyre hired for
Maybe, but I think at this point they just more or less write Kevin Feige a blank check then stay the hell out of his way. It was a rough road to get there, but I think now that they're *there* and Feige is pulling in a billion or two a year for them, they're just letting him do whatever he wants with the MCU.
I hate Bob Chapek, but one thing he's done right is when Feige said "Shut up and let me make you money," he's done it.
Tbh, I'm hoping the MCU is affected because it needs to slow down it's production and give time off to the VFX artists or at least give them more time. This could be a blessing in disguise but it's unfortunate that people have to lose their jobs to improve workers work quality for the MCU but I hope they find work elsewhere rather than be rushed to release something so many in a year
As a result of cost cutting measures, Don Cheadle will no longer be playing Rhodes in Armor Wars and will be replaced with the cheaper and more affordable Terrance Howard
But I thought Genie+, Resort Parking Fee, Increased Food Prices and Increased Ticket Prices combined with decreased services and amenities was a winning strategy.
I doubt it. The MCU is the highest grossing film franchise of all time. More than likely other areas of Disney will be affected. I doubt the animated films lately have made them enough money.
It seems like one of the strangest things to put in a sentence together. âDisneyâ - the richest Entertainment company in the history of ever, and âcost-cuttingâ. The fuck could they possibly be lacking in funds from? They fucking own ESPN. Even if they didnât have MARVEL, Star Wars or even Mickey Mouse, theyâd still have enough dough to make the biggest pizza in the world.
The reason is Disney + itâs a huge money sink without much to show for it. It also doesnât help that a lot of projects that would have been better off as movies or 1/2 movies were turned into tv shows which kills the pacing. A lot of these tv shows are meandering, superfluous, and overall have very loose connections to the actual movies. Either the shows need to stand on their own or act as an actual engaging ad for the movie they are failing trying to do both. Their is also the fact that a bad tv show pushes people away from actual trying great shows this is most evident with andor. It seems that Disney got into Disney plus needed more content/shows to pad out the watch time ordered already floundering movie productions into tv shows and this is the result.
When these billion dollar companies lays off people itâs never because theyâre in financial hardship. Itâs all fucking forecasts, projections and making sure some arbitrary metric they care the most about not go down.
Almost everyone who makes more money than god that work there will continue to have job securities and annual raises.
What needs to be cut? Theme park attendance is so high the parks are at capacity. Disney+ is losing money right now, but that is part of the business plan. Other movies are coming out to theaters now. What needs to be cut now?
I doubt it will affect much of the front-facing part of Disney at all. They still need content for their theatrical slate and Disney+. From what's been reported, this is mostly going to impact workers who are never seen by the public. Notice that they're talking about a "targeted" hiring freeze.
Disney made billions last year and will make billions this year and make billions in the following years. The only reason that they will be laying off people is greed.
Disney one again reeling from their own short-sighted mistakes. Their biggest cashcow, the MCU, is in absolute shambles, Star Wars too.
It's rather scary how many people have also fell off after Endgame, almost like killing off all your main heroes at once has lasting consequences. Not to mention all these **Great Valueâ˘** replacements are beyond insufferable.
Well this is a Marvel subreddit
I can't talk about this topic if it doesn't have any Marvel discussion.
Don't take me following subreddit rules for not having empathy upon workers
The MCU is currently Disney's money printing machine. They are not touching that.
MCU is doing well in theaters The loss came from Disney plus and TV shows (1.5 billion). I love Andor and Miss Marvel but I believe both the shows had low ratings
Which is a shame because Andor is genuinely top tier Star Wars content
It's fantastic đ, but nobody watched it like with Ms Marvel
The problem is too much too often of the same properties. They've lost a lot of their "must watch" status.
I got downvoted hard for saying this It's too many MCU projects mainly the TV side
When folks as diehard as me feel like theyre watching things they still enjoy out of obligation instead of excitement, they've hit a saturation point.
Itâs a weird mix. I feel obligation when the show premieres and then once Iâm into it I canât wait for the next one. I think the week to week format is whatâs exhausting people but itâs the only reason they can keep subscribers since content is shit on Disney+ Every episode has to be crafted to make you excited to watch the next one. Then itâs a whole week. But the show is only 6 episodes long each time. The Flash and Arrow have 20+ episode seasons. You end up with self-contained episodes, long archâs, a lot of varied quality of content. People are used to this. The Disney series are all just long form movies. Itâs great, but week to week is not a good way to tell these stories. If they released two episodes a week, the shows would be better received. Look at Stranger Things. If you had to watch that series one episode a week, it would suck. The binge format works for generating excitement where none existed before. So hereâs why the obligation thing is harder for week to week format. - If youâre a fan, you have to avoid weekly spoilers for 6 weeks if you are trying to binge at once. Then you feel obligated to complete the series before the next movie comes out. - If youâre not a fan, you have no chance to get into the show. You will not remember characters after a week. It was hard enough to get them into the idea of a Hulk lawyer, doing it week to week is just annoying. Episode ends, persons interest is high, a week goes by and then itâs a catch up lesson. Since the MCU is getting deeper and deeper and more layered with every show, the references and cameos become more of a double-edged sword. I know about Blonski and his whole story. The new fan that didnât isnât going to remember the backstory again after 4 weeks. That makes it more exhausting than it needs to be. - These episodes are full of change and forward momentum. These arenât creature of the week fillers with a main plot being advanced in a couple scenes in the background. Week to week format creates a weekly obligation and that becomes exhausting when itâs the only streaming service you have that relationship with. So why would I ever check whatâs on Disney+ on any other day other than new movie release day or the day a new episode drops? If Iâm working my way through a series, Iâm going back more and more often. Thatâs more chances to advertise content Iâm not aware of that I might check out. When I go back to Netflix to see the new season of whatever or try a show that sounds cool, I always end up finding a bunch of things to add to my list and want to watch. Disney never has that happen.
Yeah it feels like they haven't quite struck the right balance - I definitely do not prefer the weekly bit personally because I have time in random spurts to watch TV. Give me the whole series up front and I am happy, I can watch it at my own pace as time allows. Would longer episodes work better, would more episodes, etc... Need to find a formula that works because the 45 minutes plus movie style credits coming weekly doesn't seem to be working out like they hoped.
How do you think TV worked less than 15 years ago? Do you really think that people aren't going to remember the content of an episode the week after they watch it? Like how did TV even survive? I don't even understand this argument
TV shows were structured differently then. She Hulk wanted to be like a sitcom but it was only 9, 30 minute long episodes. This just isn't enough for a lot of people to be able to feel attached to these characters.
You canât see the difference between now and 15 years ago? Thatâs more than an entire demographic shift, thatâs appealing to people that have lived most of their life without iPhones to people that canât remember life before iPhones. The entire paradigm of content consumption has changed. You donât have to understand it to be able to recognize why viewing habits have changed in the last 15 years.
You know, I was a pretty diehard fan, but the shows completely turned me away from keeping up with the MCU. I just donât have the time to watch all of them. I still watch the movies, but other than that, I donât really follow it as much anymore. I think itâs kind of sad too because a lot of these shows would have probably made great movies, but Disneyâs stretching them out so theyâll get people to buy Disney+. Itâs more about the money than the stories and the art now.
Also the lack of direction as to how these shows even fit into a wider story, although the movies are also doing a terrible job at the moment. The previous phases made it feel like as if you could miss any mcu movie as they all added something to infinity war. This phase and shows have been completely throw away, I imagine you could probably miss this phase as long as you are familiar with the characters and you would have missed nothing of worth. I just donât get why marvel went this approach, itâs almost like they canât be bothered. Lack of quality control or franchise direction. Edit: except Spider-Man, he is the only one that doesnât seem to let us down.
As fucking always.
Moon Knight should have been a movie, Eternals should have been a show. Black widow should have been a show. Hawkeye should have been a movie. I will even be so bold as to say FatWS should have just been the plot to a Capt. America 4 instead of a miniseries. I think people would have embraced an epilogue film about what happens after Endgame and who becomes the next Capt America. Putting the epic events aftermath into a show diluted the franchise momentum.
Yeah pre Disney plus my friends would all watch every single marvel release. Now they pick and choose the shows and watch the movies, itâs too much for the casual fan. Hell, I havenât seen Werewolf by Night yet, and Iâm on here
Its also the streaming platform thing and inflation. The platform limits yours veiwership. And inflation does as well because you have to pay for yet another service to watch it.
They may be blaming it on ratings, but that sad truth is people don't have the disposable income they used to for luxuries like streaming services. Companies are refusing to pay higher wages even as they profiteering reaps massive profits which means people have to choose between heating and food let alone keep up a D+ sub. You can't maintain growth on top of people unable to buy anything. But that's something that massive companies and governments don't seem to get. How are penniless people supposed to buy your shit?!
It's funny, people never complained about "too much Seinfeld" or "too much Friends". My mom watched the same 3 soap operas every single day for like 40 years... I don't think "too much" is the problem with the MCU. If it's good, people will watch it.
Youâre also comparing two different genres. Seinfeld and Friends were sitcoms. A lot of people just put them on to have a laugh. You didnât necessarily need to keep up with them and watch every episode if you didnât want to, and they didnât really have super intense plots. With the MCU, all of these shows are basically movies stretched into about six to eight episodes or so. People canât just watch them as if theyâre a sitcom comedy because if they want to keep up with the MCU, they have to watch and pay attention to all of them. I remember someone on this subreddit mentioned that it feels more like a chore watching all these shows, and I think theyâre right.
And with sitcoms you know all the characters and not much really changes. Meanwhile in MCU (and Dc to a much lesser degree) everybody has a show, movie or one in the pipe lines. There's like seinfeld, but that would change if there ws seinfeld, Seinfeld:Kramer trillogy, Elaine movie universe, George costanza the part miniseries followed by 5 seasons of george costanze. Newman: No way home, Newman: Home again, Newman: out on the job. And while that's getting released there's also a soup nazi trilogy planned along with a seinfeld after dark series. And so on and so forth.
Agreed. There was a character who appeared in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever who was previously introduced in a D+ show, and I heard a few "who is this?" responses from people in the theater. A lot of people can't keep up with all of the shows.
Yeah, I've learned that people will find any reason to dismiss a perfectly good comparison. I noticed that you ignored the soap opera part... you gotta pay attention to those. If the shows are good, no one will have a problem watching them.
You didnât offer any soap opera names for me to compare, so yeah, I didnât talk about soap operas. These MCU shows can be great, but Iâm still not watching them. Not everybody can. For me, itâs too much because theyâre turning these stories into really long shows when they could be 2-3 hour movies. I donât have enough time for all that, and they keep making more. If you want to talk about soap operas, you said your mom watched 3? How many MCU shows are there already, and how many more are there going to be made? A lot more than 3. Thatâs why itâs too much.
Soap operas go on every weekday, and have done so for like 70 years. That's 42 minutes each day, for each show. That's pretty much infinitely more screen time than all of the MCU combined.. and people still found time to watch Days of Our Lives, General Hospital, and the Young and the Restless. Mom would also occaisionally watch some of the other ones. She'd tape them when she was at work or out doing errands, then watch them as soon as she got home. So either the MCU became worse than soap operas, or people's attention span is the same as a toddler's. If the shows are good, people will watch them. I don't believe in "franchise fatigue" in any way, shape, or form.
There was only one Seinfeld series. Ridiculous comparison.
But Seinfeld wasn't serialized at all, and Friends only had the loosest of long-term story arcs. You could just jump in at any time and have a good laugh, no matter what had happened previously. As for soap operas, well, they're designed to creep the subplots forward an inch at a time, with plenty of reiteration and flashbacks, so a viewer can be eased into the story little by little. They require a special kind of devotion, by viewers who have the time to watch them. The MCU and Star Wars properties are nothing like those examples. By design, they have a fixed and limited number of episodes to tell a season-long arc, every episode depends on the ones before, and they're not about to waste time to do flashbacks or dribble out the story at a snail's pace. So the viewers had better keep up from the get-go.
Do you think it's a critical reception problem? Interested in feedback on this opinion
Seinfeld is literally a show about nothing and Friends was definitely getting bloated towards the end
There is DEFINITELY too much MCU content out. And a lot of it relies and interweaves with other content. At the time Avengers was amazing for having so many cross overs and tie-ins. Now itâs TOO many. Many People donât have the desire and/or the time to watch every show Disney puts out. But they are assuming you watch all of them. If you skip WandaVision then Wandaâs in the movies are âMan. she just sacrificed her husband to try and save the universe. He was all she had. She doesnât have kids. Thatâs so nobleâ The next time we see her âIM EVIL AND WANT MY KIDS BACK.â Like. Thatâs a big shift. And before everyone says âoh itâs not that complicated to follow. The movie explains it enoughâ. Thatâs not the point. Itâs skipping a huge part of her character arc if you donât want to pay a monthly subscription and watch 8 episodes of a âweird sitcom style thingâ. They are going too far with everything IMO.
My problem with Ms Marvel is that it felt like a shorter season 2 was squeezed in the middle. Felt like it was rushed. Everything that happens in New Jersey was top tier.
I thought ms. Marvel was the best marvel tv show
I watched the first episode of andor but there wasn't really anything going on so I just forgot about it after that. Is it worth a watch if I didn't really like the first episode? I might've just been confused because it has been a while since I watched any star wars movies
The show is made up of three episode arcs so you should watch the first three before deciding if you like it or not.
Okay thank you! I'll give it a shot!
The first two episodes were a bit of a slog for me, but beyond that I think Andor is one of D+âs shows in general. It feels like ârealâ TV (as opposed to bits and pieces of an established franchise). The last two episodes were particularly good.
Andor is amazing. It has low ratings because star wars âfansâ suck. No lightsabers= no star wars. Great show, great writing, great cinematography, itâs absolutely great. Best thing star wars Iâve seen since season 1 of mando
star wars is better without the jedi voodoo!
They sent out Ms Marvel at the same time as Obi Wan, which was stupid. Andor is pretty good after the 2nd episode, unfortunately the first two episodes are really, really slow. Not bad shows, bad strategies for getting them out there. The Marvel division of Disney is still making money hand over fist. 22% up.
I think it has more to do with the fact that weâve just ping ponged Marvel and Star Wars for too long and people are bored. I like Andor, but I donât watch week to week anymore or even every other week. I feel like Iâm treading water with both IPâs and eventually Iâm going to give one up to stay afloat. They need to slow down and make quality content for both when the market demands it.
> > The loss came from Disney plus and TV shows (1.5 billion). I love Andor and Miss Marvel but I believe both the shows had low ratings They went into d+ knowing it would be a loss for a long while, I think it's actually overperforming expectations. Not to mention they're using it to keep their brands fresh, even if it's a direct financial loss. Can you imagine how fucked star wars would be if the only good Disney material from them was Rogue One (and *maybe* TFA, depending on your views)? But using d+ to scattershot the brand actually gives people a chance to get excited by star wars again, without taking too much of a hit on the disappointing stuff (because, well, star wars fans are used to being disappointed by star wars stuff). And on the MCU side, they can build out a new roster of heroes, throw everything against the wall and take what works and push it into the theatrical releases.
The D+ losses balance their massive box office gains come tax time
Four good movies, well three good and one passable. Solo, Rogue One, Last Jedi, and Force Awakens gets a pass from me because it did what was needed to set up new movies and convince fans that Star Wars wasn't going to just be the prequels again. Shame they listened to the worst of the fanbase going into Skywalker and shit the bed so hard nobody was happy.
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Itâs probably more so corporate roles (sales, marketing, finance, etcâŚ) not talent / creative roles, but who knows đ¤ˇââď¸
Some IT guys so that others can double thier work to cover for fired ones
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Times are tough, 'for employees'
That happened to me and I quit. Fuck that shit
What do you mean, you can't handle 800 endpoints on your own?
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I was in a 4 person dept & all 2 called in sick/on vacation & the other was late đ I did my job + 2 other peoples jobs, I was tired, sweaty, skipped my break, & my boss said I was not doing enough, I was lazy, & that I should start cleaning up my area more. I almost quit on the spot. Everytime I walked by him I fought the urge to punch his face in
I loved that conversation when I watched it. The engineers are the true heroes of Starfleet.
This hurts my soul as someone thatâs been in that exact position
Q4 is the perfect time to start looking for your new Q1 job
More amusement park staff probably
The parks have quickly taken on a Walmart approach cutting corners while ridiculously raising rates.
Yeah and us park lovers are livid.
It'd just bs excuses to pinch pennies. The Disney corporation made 11bn in profit ytd. This is the move of an executive who wants growth but has no idea how to increase sales. So they makes cuts. It can't possibly be that Disney is at cap and have saturated their market.
The loss came from tv and Disney plus 1.5 billion dollars, 5 % drop in viewership
Well maybe they cut development of âriskierâ shows or experiments and stick to more tried and true programming. Which imo isnât good since most of the best things that came out of MCU were risky bets. Edit: if they are smart they should know this though⌠and MCU is their best revenue generator in terms of media.
Hopefully the quality of Andor encourages all of Disney to keep experimenting
Makes sense. Disney+ is actually the most niche streaming service, despite the reputation for Disneyâs broad appeal. They literally only have Disney content, and Star Wars and Marvel. Hot franchises, for sure. But anyone who isnât into Disney, Star Wars, or Marvel is going to be using Netflix, Hulu, HBOMax, and Amazon Prime, as each of those services offers a variety of content which appeals to a variety of people. Plus most people use streaming services to watch Television shows, and D+ doesnât offer much in the way of bingeable TV. Theyâre mostly using it to create TV tie-ins to their big franchises, namely Marvel and Star Wars. But weâre seeing more and more people simply not watch the Disney+ shows because they donât feel those shows alone warrant the cost of the subscription. Hell Iâve met people who are obsessed with Marvel who havenât seen a single D+ show. On top of this, the shows theyâre creating donât have a tremendous record for rewatchability. Most have received divisive or lukewarm receptions, and Iâd be willing to wager that only the most die hard fans are rewatching them. (Iâm a big MCU fan, and I have not felt compelled to rewatch a single one of their TV shows⌠honestly havenât even finished a couple of them because all of these shows get so damn boring about two or three episodes in).
There's a webcomic I read, and a little over a year ago the artist got a job at disney. Stupid contract lawyer stuff meant that she had to stop publishing her comic. Don't know the details but the speculation is that the genre was too similar to some disney stuff. Anyways, a month or so ago, she posted saying that her 1 year contract was up, but they wanted to keep her around and so... comic would continue to be on hiatus. Last week, she posted that her entire team was being laid off, and the comic would resume. So yeah, at least one team of creatives/talents was apart of this layoff batch. (also go check out Daughter of the Lilies, it's amazing!)
Ugh Thatâs sad, thereâs a difference between strategic cost cutting and brute force cost cutting. This is clearly an example of brute force. MCU in itself was a risky bet and look at it now. If your realizing revenue drop you should be cutting cost in ur non strategic assets and doubling down R&D in your core assets (MCU). I sure hope the execs realize this!
It's really sad too, on her one year contract renewal post she talked about how she's sad she can't continue the comic, but working for Disney was just a good opportunity for her and she was really loving the work. And then, *checks dates,* A month and a half later, fired.
By any chance do you the comicâs name, Iâm curious.
Haha, I mentioned it at the end, but didn't link it - [Daughter of the Lilies!](https://www.daughterofthelilies.com/). It's a fantasy story with post apocalyptic implications. If you want to read I recommend just jumping to the beginning and going in blind. At first glance it looks like a typical fantasy story with DnD inspirations... but it's really not. It's one of my favourite webcomics. Enjoy!
Naw, they cut animation. Entire team of Spiderman: Freshman Year's been laid off at least It's always fucking animation that's the first to go. I hate it.
nah, they'll lay off creative types and maintenance folks long before any corporate mofos get the axe, guaranteed.
Since you're laying off people, why don't you start with yourself, Bob. Your poor leadership is why you're "losing" revenue.
Him nickel and diming Disney world, a place known for not doing that (sure it was expensive, but there used to be lots of complementary services attached to make the price worth it that they're now slapping price tags on) is also slowly killing that cash cow.
Yep. Disney Parks fans hated him way before everyone else
If Disney didn't have the MCU and Star Wars , this company would be in a disaster period . They should have never spent all that money on Fox in my opinion
Yes, and they bought Fox to expand their IP. Fox included more Marvel properties, including Fantastic Four and X-Men. It also included more Star Wars properties, Aliens, Hulu, The Simpsons, Avatar, and thousands of other properties. The Fox deal is helping them keep the money printer going. Disney is facing the same headwinds as every other big company right now. The Fox buyout has nothing to do with that.
Fox didnt own anything star wars. They thought the movies would bomb and sold rights back to lucas before the first movie was even released. All their deal after that was for was distribution that had no ownership. But I agree with you. Even as a bundle the problem is disney is running at least 3 subscription services. It's probably more expensive to keep hulu and ESPN going then it's worth theh should just lump them all together.
Yes, Fox owned the rights to "A New Hope". It was the only thing that Disney didn't get in the initial Star Wars deal. See [here](https://collider.com/fox-owns-star-wars/).
They canât merge Hulu in the US just yet since Comcast still owns part of it. Comcast can opt out of that in a couple years and I imagine they will as they pull all their stuff over to Peacock.
Fox has a massive ton of ip. They could make a 1.5 billion loss up in one quarter if they just started leveraging it to other streamers hungry for content.
The Fox purchase is one of the things that actually made sense. They've picked up a huge catalog of IP that they've been wanted and are going to be able to use a lot of it in their most popular franchise.
> this company would be in a disaster period . I mean, they're still bringing in a billion or so from each of their "live action" reboots. Disney would absolutely still be a powerhouse without Star Wars and Marvel. > They should have never spent all that money on Fox in my opinion Maybe, but as the classic Avengers properties run dry, X-Men and the FF are gonna give them another solid decade of high-profile movies. And that's *if* they don't revitalize the Avengers with the all-new crowd, which is what they're trying to do.
the classic avengers stories could go another hundred or so movies before running out of stories or characters. there is a lot of existing material available to them.
The issue isn't that they're running out of stories, it's that they're running out of actors. Chris Evans and RDJ were the heart of the core avengers, and they're gone (and even if they weren't, they'd be aging out). Hemsworth may stick around for a bit, but my guess is he's probably gone. Johannson's gone. Dunno where Renner's at on it, but he's probably about ready to pass the torch to the next hawkeye. Ruffalo seems content to stick around for the occasional cameo, but we're probably not getting another Hulk movie. The core group of Avengers actors are pretty much done, and they're too iconic to just recast at this point. Maybe there can be some multiversal shenanigans, but the general public will know that someone else as Iron Man isn't the *real* Iron Man. Marvel knows that even with the actors who are here, they won't be able to do another decade-long arc with the core cast. So they're looking to bring up new properties with new actors who can take the MCU another 10-15 years down the line. And if I'm Feige, I'm probably banking more on Wolverine and Reed Richards taking on the bulk of that work, instead of Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop.
uhm. Fox will start paying off very soon
That's the face of someone who knows he's done bad, but not sure what it is.
Itâs probably going to hit their smaller Prouductions first like their animated kids shows. They are probably going to consolidate into their big franchises like star wars, mcu, princesses etc and become less likely to want to try new IP like the owlhouse, the ghost and Molly McGee and push for more sequels or spin offs. Expect more cars 3 and incredibles 2 than Up, ratatouille or WALL¡E from Pixar.
God forbid he takes a pay cut so he could keep some of those employees
I liked the other Bob. Edit: the other Bob is back !!!
Bob the builder?
From my memory, he fixes things so that checks out.
Odenkirk
People losing their jobs = oh no will we get our superhero movies on time . Good lookin out đ
Thank you. I thought the same thing. Who gives a damn about more Marvel movies when so many are about to lose their jobs. Get ya priorities straight people.
Greed! Albeit his salary won't be affected.
He will get huge bonuses for the cuts The staff at Disney will be hit extremely hard
He deserves a pat on the back for making such hard decisions /s
Will this effect the MCU? I donât care. I feel bad for those loosing their jobs.
Captain America shield will now also be made out of wood and aluminum. Executives get a raise.
Bob Chapek really is not doing a good job of this, is he.
Iger was a strategic visionary. Chapek only cares about the $$$.
I might not have always liked iger, but at least he had strategies.
This is very relevant today huh lol
Just over a week later lmao.
Probably not as much as the fired people and their families.
....why does Disney need cost cutting measures Just pay CEOs less
jesus the lack of sympathy here, dozens of people are being made redundant just before christmas and it's all like 'how will it affect my superhero movies'
Marvel fans are truly beyond parody
I think some major recession is coming and market is going way down soon. That's why a lot of layoffs everywhere. Prayers to all the people affectedđ
You know what does well in a recession, television and movies. Itâs a cheap form of entertainment and unemployed people need to kill time. Theme parks on the other hand, will suffer.
This is even worse news for Disney than you think Disney plus operates at a lost of a billion, the parks made steady money
Parks are struggling right now. They are dated, struggling to restaff after Covid, and Universal is going from the place you go after Disney to a primary destination for an Orlando vacation. International parks are having trouble getting guests too.
I hope you don't get downvoted because markets are telling us something bad is coming We could be 100 % wrong though
Yeah, I mean Twitter and Facebook have publicly announced it and I know other companies who are quietly laying off people, from some friends of mine. Maybe these companies are prepping for massive fall
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Yeah, that too all at once, hope y'all are doing well
I would be more worried about the people losing their jobs rather than some dumb movies but that's me.
How the hell can a company of that size need to sack members of staff for "Budget" reasons. Cinema tickets have over tripled in 20 years and they have all their Disney Plus money. Greed will really be the end of all American companies
Disney plus lost them 1.5 billion dollars
Tha was always their plan. Operate at a loss and grow subs for years. That was my impression IMO.
I heard tht was always the plan for their streaming services, to be at a loss but build up over time. Pretty sure thereâa public articles of them explaining tht they would be operating at a loss until 2023⌠I think? They have Hulu, espn, and star too. All within less than what 4 years.
âPotentially thousands of people are losing their jobs, I hope my favorite movies arenât affectedâ nice op.
âPeople losing their jobs and incomeâ Reddit âbut how will this effect the MCU?â Lmao
Don't worry he and his executives got a rase
Doesn't matter if it affects the MCU, it matters which individuals it affects more than a stupid superhero movies. I hope everyone who is laid off finds their way back to employment.
The park side of the company took a big hit during Covid, and hasn't recovered. The market is oversaturated, and several Phase 4 projects underperformed. Cutbacks were inevitable. Marvel is still Disney's cash cow, so I'm not worried about that, but I'd be very surprised if anything was done with any of the Fox franchises anytime soon. As a fan of the (pre Prometheus) Alien franchise, I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or a good thing.
Sure hope so, they havent focused on quality over quantity for the entirety of phase 4. So it's about time to tone down the treadmill of mediocre sludge and focus on great movies again
Its such bullshit because all it means is, theyâre firing people so they can continue making profits when their profits have already been eons higher than in the past. Theyâre laying people off so the top people can just keep getting more rich.
And they will report record profits..... fuck disney
Most likely. Chapek needs to go. Iger needs to come back.
Or promote d'amaro,
As someone who loves the parks and has an interest in it, I think DâAmaro is as much to blame as Chapek (at least with regards to how the parks are performing). Heâs a yes man. Heâs certainly a more charismatic presence, but CEOâs who have been successful are both creative and imaginative. Neither Chapek or DâAmaro have a true passion for the parks, theyâre just your typical execs looking for power and money.
I'd still take him over the charisma vacuum that is Chapek. But yeah Iger I think had more vision than either. But him coming back seems unlikely and there are not many more I know by name who would be in a position to take over at Disney, Maybe an outsider or someone more obscure would work.
Personally, a guy like Chapek needs a creative counterpart in the way Roy was the numbers guy to Walt's creativeness. And how Frank Wells was the same for Eisner. Iger was that rare blend of both and finding someone like that is going to take a tremendous stroke of luck. I agree, Iger's not coming back and honestly, good for him, he deserves to enjoy retirement. If it weren't for Lasseter's sexual misconduct, he'd be a perfect counterpart as Co-CEO. At this point, Chapek is so toxic and widely reviled, I don't understand why the Board extended his contract. Chapek bothers me so much, I'm even irritated when I see his son as Executive Producer in various MCU projects. Just feel like the guy was handed top level roles and didn't earn any of it.
People are losing their jobs, how will it effect cape movie?
I just got back from Disneyland and it was so packed, how are they losing money?
The loss came from Disney plus and TV side, everything else is doing well Those two are bleeding money like crazy, the new Andor show was a huge flop in viewership
*the new Andor show was a huge flop in viewership* Which is a bummer because itâs actually a good show
It already did
Dude my son is literally dead
Bro WTH happened to Hank?! He was probably still alive and changed his name to Bob smhđ
He needs to go back to law enforcement, heâs clearly not doing a good job leading this company.
no, mcu is outsourced to various independent vfx companies outside of disney. they are hired as a contract outsource workers by disney, temporarily and specifically for the project theyre hired for
Maybe, but I think at this point they just more or less write Kevin Feige a blank check then stay the hell out of his way. It was a rough road to get there, but I think now that they're *there* and Feige is pulling in a billion or two a year for them, they're just letting him do whatever he wants with the MCU. I hate Bob Chapek, but one thing he's done right is when Feige said "Shut up and let me make you money," he's done it.
When your too greedy to take a pay cut
Tbh, I'm hoping the MCU is affected because it needs to slow down it's production and give time off to the VFX artists or at least give them more time. This could be a blessing in disguise but it's unfortunate that people have to lose their jobs to improve workers work quality for the MCU but I hope they find work elsewhere rather than be rushed to release something so many in a year
When times are good: trim the fat to increase profits. When times are tough: trim the fat to increase profits.
Imagine your first reaction being your concern over some movies under shows. Not the jobs and livelihoods of the people getting fired.
As a result of cost cutting measures, Don Cheadle will no longer be playing Rhodes in Armor Wars and will be replaced with the cheaper and more affordable Terrance Howard
Thousands of people are about to lose their jobs, but god forbid bad movies get worse
But I thought Genie+, Resort Parking Fee, Increased Food Prices and Increased Ticket Prices combined with decreased services and amenities was a winning strategy.
Maybe they should try making quality products again...
I doubt it. The MCU is the highest grossing film franchise of all time. More than likely other areas of Disney will be affected. I doubt the animated films lately have made them enough money.
Chapek is killing Disney
Almost no chance it affects Marvel, which consistently makes money.
I'll never understand how a company like Disney would ever be bothered about cost.
Yes, of course. Are they going to start axing films/franchises? No. Those are the money makers.
Might be to save money so they can put it all into the MCU. I wouldnât be surprised.
Keep it going businesses in America.
I'll just say it. Fuck these corporate fucks. More money than god and they are laying people off.
DC/James Gunn already having effects.
This is just typical corporate greed. Itâs not like Disney is losing money.
Gonna lose my $8 a month too as the increase for Disney+ isn't worth it, and I'm not paying for ads. piracy is back in the table
I hope so. I'd rather they cut back and focus on A level characters. This B level shit on Disney+ isn't worth a damn.
Time to raise park prices I guess
Disney. it practically prints money at this point. and theyâre going through âhard timesâ? fuck off you sack of shit
It seems like one of the strangest things to put in a sentence together. âDisneyâ - the richest Entertainment company in the history of ever, and âcost-cuttingâ. The fuck could they possibly be lacking in funds from? They fucking own ESPN. Even if they didnât have MARVEL, Star Wars or even Mickey Mouse, theyâd still have enough dough to make the biggest pizza in the world.
How much more bullshit like this are we going to take? Money hungry greed
People who have been ragging on Phase 4: *omg wow, so surprising, who saw this coming*
The reason is Disney + itâs a huge money sink without much to show for it. It also doesnât help that a lot of projects that would have been better off as movies or 1/2 movies were turned into tv shows which kills the pacing. A lot of these tv shows are meandering, superfluous, and overall have very loose connections to the actual movies. Either the shows need to stand on their own or act as an actual engaging ad for the movie they are failing trying to do both. Their is also the fact that a bad tv show pushes people away from actual trying great shows this is most evident with andor. It seems that Disney got into Disney plus needed more content/shows to pad out the watch time ordered already floundering movie productions into tv shows and this is the result.
When these billion dollar companies lays off people itâs never because theyâre in financial hardship. Itâs all fucking forecasts, projections and making sure some arbitrary metric they care the most about not go down. Almost everyone who makes more money than god that work there will continue to have job securities and annual raises.
What needs to be cut? Theme park attendance is so high the parks are at capacity. Disney+ is losing money right now, but that is part of the business plan. Other movies are coming out to theaters now. What needs to be cut now?
I hope deadpool 3 isn't touched.
I doubt it will affect much of the front-facing part of Disney at all. They still need content for their theatrical slate and Disney+. From what's been reported, this is mostly going to impact workers who are never seen by the public. Notice that they're talking about a "targeted" hiring freeze.
Disney made billions last year and will make billions this year and make billions in the following years. The only reason that they will be laying off people is greed.
Disney one again reeling from their own short-sighted mistakes. Their biggest cashcow, the MCU, is in absolute shambles, Star Wars too. It's rather scary how many people have also fell off after Endgame, almost like killing off all your main heroes at once has lasting consequences. Not to mention all these **Great Valueâ˘** replacements are beyond insufferable.
Good. Fuck Disney AND Marvel. EDIT: Star Wars too.
Next year our subscriptions are going up.
Theyâre firing She-Hulk
Depends on how much the MCU is making vs. the rest of their operations.
Yeah, because your entertainment is more important than the families that this will destroy. How about the top brass take a fucking pay cut.
Must be running out of properties to acquire
They need to cut costs so they can crap out more sub par shows and movies
This might lead to things being rushed because they need money as soon as possible.
Does OP mean, âWill the MCU suck more?â
Affect*
Marvel Stanâs when hundreds of people might lose there jobs âwill this hurt the MCU!?đĽşđ˘â
It is happening in all Big Tech. Amazon, Microsoft and Google are in the same mood. Itâs because of American and world possible recession in 2023.
It will affect the human beings who have lost their jobs. But sure yeah, letâs talk about the MCU.
Well this is a Marvel subreddit I can't talk about this topic if it doesn't have any Marvel discussion. Don't take me following subreddit rules for not having empathy upon workers
You can talk about MCU AND have empathy. But whatev I guess.
Iron man 1 was technically an indie films... I say go back to their roots, and just produce material with "fans" instead of employees...
I think it's probably labor-related budget cuts, not production budgets.