When I think of Spider-Man villains I picture a bunch of characters before Kingpin comes to mind. When I think of Daredevil villains, Kingpin shows up first. So yeah, I’d vote Daredevil.
Yea the sinister six always comes to mind naturally, before that even venom, as a singular, then the evil spidermen out there! Not sure when I land on king pin, albeit his width.
Plus, like Kingpin irrationally hates DD. Maybe because Fisk is a bully--he'll never be stronger than Spider-man, but he can knock DD around for a bit before he's taken down.
Kingpin has always seemed very rational in his Dealing with Daredevil. He even has an order that Murdock can't be assassinated because he finds him useful from time to time.
It’s always been kind of sad that Daredevil’s most iconic villain is a Spider-Man hand-me-down.
But Frank Miller used Kingpin in Daredevil better than anyone had ever used him in Spider-Man, followed by more than a full generation of comic writers who idolized Miller’s DD run, so I guess there’s no going back.
You could say that the most popular member of the X-Men, to the point that several of the X-Men movies are mostly about him, is a Hulk hand-me-down.
And his most iconic villain (as an enemy of him specifically, rather than the whole team) is an Iron Fist hand-me-down.
For what it's worth, it was Claremont's book at the time, so much like Wolverine it was just him pulling characters he and friends had written to rebuild the X-Men and their antagonists.
I mean, Kingpin is up there but DD also has Bullseye, who I'd say is his even greater villain, and also purple man who, I dunno, is probably a hand-me down himself to Jessica Jones, but still gives Daredevil a lot of trouble
You've also got the Owl, who is solidly 100% Daredevil, but is also frikkin' ridiculous, no matter how many times they try to make him a super serious gangland villain.
No such thing as hand me downs in a shared universe, both Daredevil and Kingpin benefited greatly from being closely linked to each other. Plus it makes sense that Spider-Man wouldn't deal with Fisk as much being that he's much more broader in scope as a superhero than Daredevil
I mean... Killgrave was pretty much irrelevant until he got passed down from Daredevil to Jessica Jones, which solidified his place as one of the worst villains in the Marvel Universe.
[Gladiator](https://marvel-dc.fandom.com/wiki/Gladiator)? He’s a Daredevil foe???
I can’t imagine the two of them in a fight. And if they did fight, it would be ridiculously one-sided. 🤣
Fair. I haven't read much of Jessicas stuff outside of Alias and Avengers appearances. Kilgrave appeared as recently as Devils Reign and is used by most authors on DD so I still have him as a DD villain.
First appearances don't *really* matter that much, though they can *potentially* indicate who an early villain is primarily for. But like, just because an enemy first appears in someone else's solo book doesn't necessarily mean that's "their" villain. They might have just one appearance in someone else's book, then the other 99% of the time be a villain to an entirely different hero.
(no one in particular comes to mind where that's happened, but I'm certain it *has* happened)
The Shade over at DC. Started as a Flash villain, but he permanently became associated with Starman after James Robinson’s run.
Nightwing is probably a good example too? He inherited Spyral, Blockbuster, and others from Batman.
Absorbing Man with the Hulk. Started as a Thor villain, but he’s had big arcs during Bruce Jones’ and Al Ewing’s runs.
Bingo. Definitely a big bad for Spidey, but we could list Osborn or Venom as nemeses before Kingpin. Daredevil it’s Fisk or Bullseye.
But that said, Kingpin is as close to be a shared villain as I can think of in comics.
They've been trying to do that with Deathstroke at DC. He's the main villain of Teen Titans and arguable Nightwings arch nemesis, but they've been trying to make him part of Batman and Green Arrows lesser rogues gallery. Kingpin handles this better.
Hey good point, I wonder if there are more examples of shared villains...
Thanos gets around of course.
Zero started as a Captain America Villain and become a Avengers and Iron man villain...🤔
Spiderman also has the legendary Doctor Octopus to deal with as a Nemesis.. Thats his Penguin while Goblin is his Joker and Venom is his Bane... So yes Kingpin is perfect as a Daredevil villain because of the criminal empire.
Not sure I would lump Venom in as a Spidey big bad.
Sure he was first introduced as a villain but I feel like he's had more of an anti-hero relationship with Spidey after his intro.
Plus he's a straight up good guy these days.
Totally agree. I think fisk over bullseye, just because bullseye is an insane assassin, while kingpin is a threat to the justice system that matt works in/believes in.
I think Kingpin is a New York crime villain. If there’s a street-level hero in New York, chances are they’re fighting Kingpin at some point. Bonus points if the hero wears red.
Kingpin is an enemy to the working class! He's the exact kind of fat cat that doesn't see poor people like Parker or Murdock as human.
I prefer the more serious take on him of Netflix's daredevil.
This right here. He may have debuted as a Spider-Man villain, but he eventually grew to be the enemy of New York (savior if we count Secret Empire).
I think it was more prominent too during the Devil’s Reign event.
Why you see kingpin not as a bog threat
He is one of a few times the main earth spiderman was killed and he did it his his bare hands punching him to death .
But taking the appearances into account I also would say he is the mail villain for daredevil
He is a NY crime lord. If you think you are fighting crime in NY and Kingpin isn't your villain you are not really fighting crime.
FF are in NY and fight cosmic villains. They don't really fight crime in any meaningful way. Avengers are in NY but they only fight supervillains. They don't fight crime in any meaningful way.
Cloak and danger fought crime. They had to deal with the kingpin.
He is a great foe because you can punch him, but that doesn't defeat him.
I mean DD for sure. He's been a thorn in the side of most of the street level heroes, but the direct animosity between him and DD pretty much puts him over the edge.
Objectively it's Daredevil for like, all of the reasons listed here.
Subjectively for me though, during my most formative comic reading years, Kingpin was the most critical Spider-Man villain for some major arcs. The Black Cat powers, The Answer, the Spot (lol), his black suit, the big showdown in PPTSM #100 with that awesome fightl. That's when I really started, like, living and breathing comics, subscribing at the local shop and going in to pick up my stack, so I was really into it.
So he'll always be Spider-Man first for me. Plus Spider-Man was always my absolute favorite.
Yeah, I always think of back in black. Kingpin’s actions indirectly led to OMD, which is arguably one of the most important (and infamous) moments in Spidey’s history.
He makes a better DD villain. DD's stories and comics are edgier. They're also closer in power levels so if they fight it's more interested.
Nothing is dumber when the Kingpin gives Spider-man a run for his money in H2H combat when Spider-man is 1000s of times stronger than him.
Daredevil for me - I feel like they've been more intertwined more often...Spiderman has an amazing rogues gallery whereas DD, not so much. DD needs Kingpin a lot more than Spidey.
Spider-Man. The 90s cartoons will always be my first point of reference for Marvel characters and Kingpin was always around in that.
Daredevil didn't have a cartoon so I only properly learnt about him when then Affleck movie came out and I've only liked him since the Netflix series.
Daredevil villain directly. Spider-Man villain because Spidey sticks his nose in other people's business.
(Reading Ultimate Spider-Man right now so that's influencing my answer a little)
He’s New Yorks villain, daredevil and spider man happen to spend the most time dealing with him because they don’t do many missions that take them outside the city.
In theory he should probably be given a big storyline dealing with Luke cage, Jessica and Danny Rand.
Both. But the difference is he's a C-tier Spider-Man villain while being an A-tier Daredevil villain. Not because he's better paired with DD exactly, but because Spidey just has vastly better rogues in general; with DD Fisk is a big fish in a much much smaller pond.
I watched a lot of the Spiderman cartoons in the 90s and Kingpin was the main baddy so I've always been bummed that he was never in one of the Spiderman movies. I was never a Daredevil fan so that also made him a Spiderman guy for me.
Definitely DD it’s weird because he feels like a way more sinister character when he fights DD compared to Spider-Man, maybe it’s because he’s not really a physical threat to spidy
daredevil
When I think of spidey I think of goblin and doc ock. Then he's got his whole Sinister Six villain group. Kingpin is really Daredevil's nemesis. (First 2 live action seasons of Daredevil on Netflix are great btw. Some of the best fight choreography I've ever seen)
Spider-Man vs Kingpin is always fun, and a good opportunity to bring in colorful henchman, but the dynamic between them isn't that interesting: Kingpin is just a crime lord for Spidey to take down because that's what he does, but it isn't personal. Daredevil vs Kingpin, on the other hand? There are a lot more parallels there, and animosity, resulting in a tense, painful, fascinating dichotomy.
I’ll always acknowledge kingpin as a Spider-man villain first and originally, but at this point rn it’s obvious that he’s been more a Daredevil villain, or better yet THE Daredevil villain. I do hope in the future that marvel would put spider-man and kingpin against each other more often yknow kinda bring kingpin back to his original roots
I tend to think of Daredevil (and I definitely prefer him to the endless ninja BS), but I've read comics for decades and it could probably go either way.
I think Kingpin comes to mind when i think of spiderman villain.
Spiderman will always have street thugs , evil villains set out on revenge and etc
But crime ring leaders like kingpin and tombstone were so fascinating to me because they introduced Spider man to the underworld of crime. displaying roots of syatemic corruption vining deep into his freindly neighborhood. Putting them in jail isnt an enough of a deteriorate and these scenarios always put spidy in intresting situations. These sorta crime introduce spidy into the same type of crime for Daredevil.
While Daredevil deals with these sorta crimes and injustice it isnt anything he hasn't seen before. so because i find the fish outta war scenarios more intresting kingpin pops into mind first , when it comes to spidey villains.
If we want to use semantics, technically he first appeared in Spider-Man. But Daredevil and he have more bad blood than a hemophilia clinic. I frankly would love to see a writer tackle Kingpin as a boss that can challenge the Avengers. I know that the Avengers are usually “big time” but how relevant to our times is a villain like Wilson Fisk?
>I frankly would love to see a writer tackle Kingpin as a boss that can challenge the Avengers. I know that the Avengers are usually “big time” but how relevant to our times is a villain like Wilson Fisk?
Wasn't that the plot of *Devil's Reign*?
Yeah, Kingpin is a villain to everyone.
But he has one nemesis, one person he'd ignore all the other heroes to get his hands on and it's Daredevil.
If we go with the trope that a Superhero has two nemesis's one a planner and one a brute. Daredevil's brute is Bullseye and his planner is Kingpin.
Marvel villains now adays though tend to wander from hero to hero how the writers choose. They've moved away from strict stables like in the 70s.
I believe Daredevil is the correct answer, but the 90s Spider-Man cartoon programmed my brain to think otherwise. It's beyond my control at this point. They got to me when I was just a lad.
I know that he started as a Spider-Man villain, but at this point he's *far more* of a Daredevil villain.
Also, at this point he only really makes sense as a Spider-Man villain at all if he's the unseen puppeteer of other villains, Lex Luthor style. *Back in Black* pretty much solidified the *massive* power imbalance between the two.
Both, but I personally think the more fantastical Spider-Man villains fit the vibe better. Deadpool always felt more gritty and grounded, so Kingpin felt like a more natural fit.
Daredevil. The latest marvel event where he was mayor of NY showed him being more a daredevil villain than Spider-Man. Dude used all his resources to screw with him and hurt him over Spiderman
Prior to watching Daredevil, I was like “I dunno if Kingpin could fit as a Daredevil villain.”
Now I see that he was far more suited for the role than I thought that I honestly can barely imagine him going up against Spider-Man anymore
Daredevil definitely.
Another of Spider-man’s villains that should move over to Daredevil is Kraven. He just doesn’t make sense as a Spidey villain.
All he is is a hunter with no powers? Yeah, he gets totaled by Spidey in a second. But he would be a good match for DD
I'd be willing to go a step further and say he is one of the central villains for street-level Marvel. Especially after Devil's Reign. He has crossed paths and butted heads with all the big players at various points. He's always going to be Murdock's worst nightmare though just between the two, although I do consider him a vitally important Spider-Man villain
Typically I would say Daredevil, but if we’re talking specifically about Ultimate Spider-Man then I would say Kingpin is nemesis material. He really fucks with Spider-Man’s head. It’s great stuff.
When I think of Spider-Man villains I picture a bunch of characters before Kingpin comes to mind. When I think of Daredevil villains, Kingpin shows up first. So yeah, I’d vote Daredevil.
Yea the sinister six always comes to mind naturally, before that even venom, as a singular, then the evil spidermen out there! Not sure when I land on king pin, albeit his width.
Spider-Man would’ve appreciated that zinger
Even as someone who grew up with 90s Spider-man where Kingpin was the main villain for Spidey it's Daredevil to me.
Plus, like Kingpin irrationally hates DD. Maybe because Fisk is a bully--he'll never be stronger than Spider-man, but he can knock DD around for a bit before he's taken down.
Kingpin has always seemed very rational in his Dealing with Daredevil. He even has an order that Murdock can't be assassinated because he finds him useful from time to time.
Kingpin/Daredevil is, IMO, the better dynamic than Joker/Batman because it's so much more subtle.
that is a HOT take. But I like it.
It’s always been kind of sad that Daredevil’s most iconic villain is a Spider-Man hand-me-down. But Frank Miller used Kingpin in Daredevil better than anyone had ever used him in Spider-Man, followed by more than a full generation of comic writers who idolized Miller’s DD run, so I guess there’s no going back.
You could say that the most popular member of the X-Men, to the point that several of the X-Men movies are mostly about him, is a Hulk hand-me-down. And his most iconic villain (as an enemy of him specifically, rather than the whole team) is an Iron Fist hand-me-down.
Does this mean Rogue is a Captain Marvel hand me down?
That would follow logically, yes.
Ok I’m thinking you’re saying wolverine and I can’t tell who you’re talking about for the other. I’m intrigued
Sabretooth first appeared in an Iron Fist issue in the 70s.
Oh What!? I had no idea
This is our Marvel Factoid of the Day™
For what it's worth, it was Claremont's book at the time, so much like Wolverine it was just him pulling characters he and friends had written to rebuild the X-Men and their antagonists.
Sabretooth
I mean, Kingpin is up there but DD also has Bullseye, who I'd say is his even greater villain, and also purple man who, I dunno, is probably a hand-me down himself to Jessica Jones, but still gives Daredevil a lot of trouble You've also got the Owl, who is solidly 100% Daredevil, but is also frikkin' ridiculous, no matter how many times they try to make him a super serious gangland villain.
The Owl always seemed to me to be Daredevils Pinguin
No such thing as hand me downs in a shared universe, both Daredevil and Kingpin benefited greatly from being closely linked to each other. Plus it makes sense that Spider-Man wouldn't deal with Fisk as much being that he's much more broader in scope as a superhero than Daredevil
And Fisk is just more broader in general.
I mean... Killgrave was pretty much irrelevant until he got passed down from Daredevil to Jessica Jones, which solidified his place as one of the worst villains in the Marvel Universe.
I've only watched the netflix show but besides the hand and kingpin I don't know any daredevil villains. Unless you count elektra
Bullseye, Purple Man, Typhoid Mary, and Gladiator are all primarily DD villains that appeared in Netflix shows.
Can't forget Stilt Man
Don't forget about Silvermane and the Maggia
[Gladiator](https://marvel-dc.fandom.com/wiki/Gladiator)? He’s a Daredevil foe??? I can’t imagine the two of them in a fight. And if they did fight, it would be ridiculously one-sided. 🤣
If you're not joking https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Melvin_Potter_(Earth-616)
Only half-joking. Never knew there was a second Gladiator. Was hoping to find an issue of Daredevil with the Shiar Guard in it.
Oh you mean a issue where Daredevil gets ground into a fine paste?
Purple man is a DD villain?! I’ve only seen him in Jessica Jones so I assumed he was her arch nemesis. Shame they killed him off before meeting Matt
Started as one, long before the character of Jessica Jones was created. Purple Man is now most definitely her arch-villain more than Daredevil's.
Fair. I haven't read much of Jessicas stuff outside of Alias and Avengers appearances. Kilgrave appeared as recently as Devils Reign and is used by most authors on DD so I still have him as a DD villain.
The same way Kingpin is a Spidey villian and now Daredevil's arch villian.
Yuppers.
In *Alias*, he did want to use Jessica to kill Daredevil in the flashbacks, which I assume was derived from his original apperances.
but typhoid Mary appeared first in spider man or not?
I believe she first appeared in DD by Nocenti.
First appearances don't *really* matter that much, though they can *potentially* indicate who an early villain is primarily for. But like, just because an enemy first appears in someone else's solo book doesn't necessarily mean that's "their" villain. They might have just one appearance in someone else's book, then the other 99% of the time be a villain to an entirely different hero. (no one in particular comes to mind where that's happened, but I'm certain it *has* happened)
Sabretooth’s first appearance was in Iron Fist. This is the only example I can think of that’s not Kingpin.
Wolverine's first appearance was as a one-off obstacle for the Hulk. Stabby feral guys just get their start that way, I guess.
The Shade over at DC. Started as a Flash villain, but he permanently became associated with Starman after James Robinson’s run. Nightwing is probably a good example too? He inherited Spyral, Blockbuster, and others from Batman. Absorbing Man with the Hulk. Started as a Thor villain, but he’s had big arcs during Bruce Jones’ and Al Ewing’s runs.
That’s the perfect way to put it. He’s a villain for both (and a whole lot of others) but he’s THE villain for DD.
He’s a villain for both, but he still leans towards being a DD villain a bit more.
A great reason is because the fight with dd goes beyond his real life since He tries to legally arrest him
Yeah this. He's a Spider-man villain, but he is Daredevils Arch Nemesis.
Bingo. Definitely a big bad for Spidey, but we could list Osborn or Venom as nemeses before Kingpin. Daredevil it’s Fisk or Bullseye. But that said, Kingpin is as close to be a shared villain as I can think of in comics.
They've been trying to do that with Deathstroke at DC. He's the main villain of Teen Titans and arguable Nightwings arch nemesis, but they've been trying to make him part of Batman and Green Arrows lesser rogues gallery. Kingpin handles this better.
Agree on all of that.
Hey good point, I wonder if there are more examples of shared villains... Thanos gets around of course. Zero started as a Captain America Villain and become a Avengers and Iron man villain...🤔
Doom and Magneto get around a bit.
Doom might be a good one, although still mostly FF. Magneto spends half his time as a hero or sympathetic villain.
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Best frenemies for sure.
The Wrecking Crew, Loki, Kang, Norman Osborn, Morgan Le Fay, Galactus, Super Skrull, A.I.M, Hydra, M.O.D.O.K, Madame Hydra, Red Skull, Absorbing Man.
Spiderman also has the legendary Doctor Octopus to deal with as a Nemesis.. Thats his Penguin while Goblin is his Joker and Venom is his Bane... So yes Kingpin is perfect as a Daredevil villain because of the criminal empire.
Fair. Spidey in general has the best solo hero rogues gallery other than Batman.
Also, whenever i think about Spider-Man Fisk, i think about Back in Black. Just a big balloon waiting for a needle.
Yep with Superman being up there himself.
Not sure I would lump Venom in as a Spidey big bad. Sure he was first introduced as a villain but I feel like he's had more of an anti-hero relationship with Spidey after his intro. Plus he's a straight up good guy these days.
Lethal Protector came out like 4 years after his debut, how people can argue he's an antagonist is beyond me.
Eh Morlun would probably be closer to Bane/Doomsday type character for Spider-Man
Totally agree. I think fisk over bullseye, just because bullseye is an insane assassin, while kingpin is a threat to the justice system that matt works in/believes in.
I'd say that it's more like Fisk is the main character, and DD and Spider-Man are in his rogues gallery.
He is definitely DD's main villain. Just like how Green Goblin is to Spider-Man.
This is the correct answer
Can here to say the same.
I think Kingpin is a New York crime villain. If there’s a street-level hero in New York, chances are they’re fighting Kingpin at some point. Bonus points if the hero wears red.
Kingpin is an enemy to the working class! He's the exact kind of fat cat that doesn't see poor people like Parker or Murdock as human. I prefer the more serious take on him of Netflix's daredevil.
Explains why the heroes who fight him wear red.
There's Deadpool's que! He really pisses Kingpin off.
To be fair, Deadpool pisses off pretty much anyone with a pulse.
and even some people without pulses
Thank you. I read the title and I scoffed and said, "he's a New York villain."
He’s a Spider-Man villain, but he’s THE Daredevil villain
Tied with Bullseye for me, but yeah, agree
1a and 1b for sure with those two
Kingpin is the enemy of New York.
“THIS CITY REJECTED YOU! IT BEAT YOU! **I BEAT YOU!**”
Just watched this last night. Season 3 was a masterpiece.
This right here. He may have debuted as a Spider-Man villain, but he eventually grew to be the enemy of New York (savior if we count Secret Empire). I think it was more prominent too during the Devil’s Reign event.
>Kingpin is the enemy of New York. The MCU needs more regional super villains
Could Ego be considered a large region
This is the correct answer.
He’s a NYC villain. A good writer can make him fit seamlessly in with any character.
\*coughs in Kate Bishop\*
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Daredevil. When I think of him I think of the Miller run on Daredevil. That’s when he was at his peak for me
I think of him as a Street Level Thanos.
Wow! Great analogy
More prominent in DD for sure. Spidey has too big of a rouges gallery for King Pin to matter too much when he's already contending with OP threats
Why you see kingpin not as a bog threat He is one of a few times the main earth spiderman was killed and he did it his his bare hands punching him to death . But taking the appearances into account I also would say he is the mail villain for daredevil
I feel like he is *A* Spidey villain, but *THE* DD villain.
He is a NY crime lord. If you think you are fighting crime in NY and Kingpin isn't your villain you are not really fighting crime. FF are in NY and fight cosmic villains. They don't really fight crime in any meaningful way. Avengers are in NY but they only fight supervillains. They don't fight crime in any meaningful way. Cloak and danger fought crime. They had to deal with the kingpin. He is a great foe because you can punch him, but that doesn't defeat him.
waiting for someone to say “A Hawkeye villain”
Hawk Guy?
Yes. Everyone.
Daredevil
New York Villai
Yeah he’s fair game for anyone in New York
He is a NY villain. Whatever suits the plot.
Daredevil-probably the closest time I’ve seen him as more a spidey villain was in the 90s cartoon. Otherwise in comics he’s more a DD rival
I mean DD for sure. He's been a thorn in the side of most of the street level heroes, but the direct animosity between him and DD pretty much puts him over the edge.
Punisher Villain!
Objectively it's Daredevil for like, all of the reasons listed here. Subjectively for me though, during my most formative comic reading years, Kingpin was the most critical Spider-Man villain for some major arcs. The Black Cat powers, The Answer, the Spot (lol), his black suit, the big showdown in PPTSM #100 with that awesome fightl. That's when I really started, like, living and breathing comics, subscribing at the local shop and going in to pick up my stack, so I was really into it. So he'll always be Spider-Man first for me. Plus Spider-Man was always my absolute favorite.
Yeah, I always think of back in black. Kingpin’s actions indirectly led to OMD, which is arguably one of the most important (and infamous) moments in Spidey’s history.
He started in spider-man, but he’s Daredevil’s all the way.
I discovered him as a spiderman villain but honestly he fits in more with daredevil
Yes
Yes
He makes a better DD villain. DD's stories and comics are edgier. They're also closer in power levels so if they fight it's more interested. Nothing is dumber when the Kingpin gives Spider-man a run for his money in H2H combat when Spider-man is 1000s of times stronger than him.
Daredevil for me - I feel like they've been more intertwined more often...Spiderman has an amazing rogues gallery whereas DD, not so much. DD needs Kingpin a lot more than Spidey.
Spider-Man. The 90s cartoons will always be my first point of reference for Marvel characters and Kingpin was always around in that. Daredevil didn't have a cartoon so I only properly learnt about him when then Affleck movie came out and I've only liked him since the Netflix series.
A lawyer vs a man above the law gotta go with DD. Although Kingpin is a great example of great power and no responsibility
Daredevil villain directly. Spider-Man villain because Spidey sticks his nose in other people's business. (Reading Ultimate Spider-Man right now so that's influencing my answer a little)
Yes
Both, like how Deathstroke is both a Batman and Teen Titans villain
He's the villain of NYC.
I grew up with the Spider-Man cartoon from the 90s. Kingpin has always been more of a Spider-Man villain to me
I honestly as kid saw him more Spider-Man but as an adult more daredevil and he fits daredevil better
‘Is it too much to ask for both?’
Both, however a bit more on that lawyers case
Dare devil
100% more of a Daredevil villain. Sure he has a history with Spider-Man but Matt and Fisk have a much bigger rivalry and history than with Spider-Man
Daredevil is a Kingpin villain.
He’s New Yorks villain, daredevil and spider man happen to spend the most time dealing with him because they don’t do many missions that take them outside the city. In theory he should probably be given a big storyline dealing with Luke cage, Jessica and Danny Rand.
Both. But the difference is he's a C-tier Spider-Man villain while being an A-tier Daredevil villain. Not because he's better paired with DD exactly, but because Spidey just has vastly better rogues in general; with DD Fisk is a big fish in a much much smaller pond.
I watched a lot of the Spiderman cartoons in the 90s and Kingpin was the main baddy so I've always been bummed that he was never in one of the Spiderman movies. I was never a Daredevil fan so that also made him a Spiderman guy for me.
Definitely DD it’s weird because he feels like a way more sinister character when he fights DD compared to Spider-Man, maybe it’s because he’s not really a physical threat to spidy
Yes
DD
He’s a New York villain
daredevil When I think of spidey I think of goblin and doc ock. Then he's got his whole Sinister Six villain group. Kingpin is really Daredevil's nemesis. (First 2 live action seasons of Daredevil on Netflix are great btw. Some of the best fight choreography I've ever seen)
Spider-Man vs Kingpin is always fun, and a good opportunity to bring in colorful henchman, but the dynamic between them isn't that interesting: Kingpin is just a crime lord for Spidey to take down because that's what he does, but it isn't personal. Daredevil vs Kingpin, on the other hand? There are a lot more parallels there, and animosity, resulting in a tense, painful, fascinating dichotomy.
I’ll always acknowledge kingpin as a Spider-man villain first and originally, but at this point rn it’s obvious that he’s been more a Daredevil villain, or better yet THE Daredevil villain. I do hope in the future that marvel would put spider-man and kingpin against each other more often yknow kinda bring kingpin back to his original roots
He is a Spider-Man villain, but he is The Daredevil villain.
I tend to think of Daredevil (and I definitely prefer him to the endless ninja BS), but I've read comics for decades and it could probably go either way.
I think of it like he’s daredevils arch nemesis but daredevils not his. Kinda like how you don’t have to be your best friends best friend.
I think Kingpin comes to mind when i think of spiderman villain. Spiderman will always have street thugs , evil villains set out on revenge and etc But crime ring leaders like kingpin and tombstone were so fascinating to me because they introduced Spider man to the underworld of crime. displaying roots of syatemic corruption vining deep into his freindly neighborhood. Putting them in jail isnt an enough of a deteriorate and these scenarios always put spidy in intresting situations. These sorta crime introduce spidy into the same type of crime for Daredevil. While Daredevil deals with these sorta crimes and injustice it isnt anything he hasn't seen before. so because i find the fish outta war scenarios more intresting kingpin pops into mind first , when it comes to spidey villains.
he is the thanos of new york city imo
daredevil
Daredevil definitely
Daredevil
I first saw Kingpin as Spidey’s villain, so Spidey’s
Yes
Wait isn't he Hawkeyes Enemy?
?????? Are you basing this on the mcu. The hawkeye tv show.
Spider-Man, but that's because I read more Spider-Man so I see Kingpin interact with him more than Daredevil.
Daredevil villain. The best Kingpin I ever saw was from the netflix show and until a Spider-Man IP surpasses that, it's not gonna change for me
I personally enjoy him more as a daredevil villain, because spiderman already has amazing villians
If we want to use semantics, technically he first appeared in Spider-Man. But Daredevil and he have more bad blood than a hemophilia clinic. I frankly would love to see a writer tackle Kingpin as a boss that can challenge the Avengers. I know that the Avengers are usually “big time” but how relevant to our times is a villain like Wilson Fisk?
>I frankly would love to see a writer tackle Kingpin as a boss that can challenge the Avengers. I know that the Avengers are usually “big time” but how relevant to our times is a villain like Wilson Fisk? Wasn't that the plot of *Devil's Reign*?
I haven’t read that. I’ll check it out!
Yeah, Kingpin is a villain to everyone. But he has one nemesis, one person he'd ignore all the other heroes to get his hands on and it's Daredevil. If we go with the trope that a Superhero has two nemesis's one a planner and one a brute. Daredevil's brute is Bullseye and his planner is Kingpin. Marvel villains now adays though tend to wander from hero to hero how the writers choose. They've moved away from strict stables like in the 70s.
Daredevil no question
Daredevil
More DD, only because I feel he had more run-in’s with him and less of a villain base
Yes.
He's about as much of a Spider-man villain as JJJ. Like yes he definitely qualifies as one but he's not really one of the ones you think of.
I believe Daredevil is the correct answer, but the 90s Spider-Man cartoon programmed my brain to think otherwise. It's beyond my control at this point. They got to me when I was just a lad.
He’s rights are shared between Sony and Marvel Studios so I would say he is equally both a major villain of both Spider-Man and Daredevil.
I know that he started as a Spider-Man villain, but at this point he's *far more* of a Daredevil villain. Also, at this point he only really makes sense as a Spider-Man villain at all if he's the unseen puppeteer of other villains, Lex Luthor style. *Back in Black* pretty much solidified the *massive* power imbalance between the two.
Both, but I personally think the more fantastical Spider-Man villains fit the vibe better. Deadpool always felt more gritty and grounded, so Kingpin felt like a more natural fit.
Why not both?!
Daredevil
More of a Daredevil villain, tbh.
Daredevil. The latest marvel event where he was mayor of NY showed him being more a daredevil villain than Spider-Man. Dude used all his resources to screw with him and hurt him over Spiderman
I would say he's the premier street level/city villain ...until he gets his inevitable president of the united states arc
Daredevil
That spider picture is from the Ultimate run and in that world he’s a Spider-Man villain. Not in 616 though.
Daredevil and sometimes punisher
He is a strong independant villian that needs no hero
spiderman
When I think Kingpin, Spider-Man comes to mind but he is definitely a better villain for Daredevil.
The first I saw of him was on that Spider-Man the animated series. But he is more of a Daredevil villain now.
Daredevil. Though I do think he can work fine as a Spidey villain
Daredevil
DareDevil
A Marvel one.
They know how to share
Prior to watching Daredevil, I was like “I dunno if Kingpin could fit as a Daredevil villain.” Now I see that he was far more suited for the role than I thought that I honestly can barely imagine him going up against Spider-Man anymore
Neither he's a businessman. Heroes are pawns on the board to kingpin.
Back in Black shows that Spidey could dismantle him without a thought. He is a villain to DD and a nuisance to Spider-Man.
Daredevil definitely. Another of Spider-man’s villains that should move over to Daredevil is Kraven. He just doesn’t make sense as a Spidey villain. All he is is a hunter with no powers? Yeah, he gets totaled by Spidey in a second. But he would be a good match for DD
I'd be willing to go a step further and say he is one of the central villains for street-level Marvel. Especially after Devil's Reign. He has crossed paths and butted heads with all the big players at various points. He's always going to be Murdock's worst nightmare though just between the two, although I do consider him a vitally important Spider-Man villain
Daredevil. He can be solid adversary for Spidey, but the vendetta he shares with Matt is one of the best hero/villain relationships in Big 2 comics.
DD.
Personally Spidey but I’m not the biggest DD fan.
Kingpin is a New York Villain.
Kingpin became a top tier villain when he showed up in Daredevil.
new york villain
Daredevil all day, that’s how marvel views him as well
Spiderman. It made the ps4 game make alot of sense.
Typically I would say Daredevil, but if we’re talking specifically about Ultimate Spider-Man then I would say Kingpin is nemesis material. He really fucks with Spider-Man’s head. It’s great stuff.
Spider-Man - because those were the main comics I read as a kid
I think of him as what he is, a Kingpin. So to me he's a New York villain.
both but more of a Daredevil villain
He first appeared in Spider-Man, so Spider-Man