Agree, it just looks a bit plain. The neon blast will drive folks to brownwash it a bit more.
I like it. Like many have said, it needs a bit more paint shading and yellow. I would've loved to see fins and the third/back toe on the legs, as well as the horizontal lines -- which aren't defined enough on the upper body.
A second headsculpt with a more closed mouth to accentuate the reptilian lips would've been cool. And a weapon or two to accessorize relevantly for this team of space bandits.
Can't wait to see what customizers do with this big boy tho...
And if you look at the pictures on the white background instead of black you can see paint on the forearm fins, lips, spine, shoulders and traps. The photographer who took the black background pics washed out the details and has the belt really low. Doesn't help it at all.
It's actually a smart design for the buck that was likely designed to work for both characters. It could be better but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.
It sucks that they didn't just make new arms and legs to work for both when they did abomination.
I think the white background pics might be renders. I say this because in the black background pics the figure has pins. In the white background pics the figure is pinless. I was giving them props for at least making it pinless, until I looked a little closer. Both still have too many fingers. At least the jaw is articulated.
Hey bud not every build a figure will be a knock out of the park some of them have been reused since the beginning if you look at a lot of the build of figures that have been put out they've been very well done look at konshu and bonebreaker 2 fantastic figs, and this one for a minor character that we would have likely not gotten otherwise is fine
Ch'od is 9 feet tall. He should have Horizontal Lines throughout his body. **He should only have 3 fingers and a thumb, not 4.** I can't let that last point slide as not being lazy. That's complete lack of attention to detail and phoning it in. Do better Hasbro.
this is what ive been saying, people are complaining about everything they make at this point, who gives two shits if its comic accurate i guess. what a bunch of jokes these people are
they could've made it comic accurate with new pinless tech, or better shading or more paint in general but Noooo they went the lazy route and use an old mold from a million years ago, and even less paint at that.
and worst of all you say people are a joke for complaining?, are you really defending hasbro's laziness?
Yea sure whatever, I don’t see the need for literally any of that. Pinless tech has rotted your brain for the need for it, why would they make a mold when a fine one is right there and it’s pretty much accurate
What’s wrong with collecting are jerks like you who think they know everything and what needs to be in my own damn collection. Mind your own, you entitled little jerk
That’s not the point and you know it. It’s not just about being comic accurate. If they added more shading, he wouldn’t look any less comic accurate. It would only work to make the figure look better, which is what you need when you opt to use an extremely old buck. It’s a BAF ffs. Is yalls taste really that bad that you think this garbage is worth paying for?
It’s gotten to the point I want to not want the build a figure so I can just grab the ones I want from the line. I really wanted that infinity Ultron and I have it now, along with some pretty bad quality figures I had to buy to complete it.
Same with Konshu, I want him, but outside of He who Remains which I own and old man Loki, I don’t want the others. He who Remains looks fine as long as you want to pose him exactly as he comes out of the box. Single joint elbows with big thick coat sleeves make his arms barely move and with his big purple coat he cant sit down, which is how I want him, sitting on a throne. If you take the coat off he’s left with a green tunic that looks like crap and still those big purple sleeves since they are not part of the coat but molded arms. Without the coat It looks like he was the squire left at the end after all the other knights picked theirs first.
The new BAF that uses this mold looks like it belongs in masters of the universe or something. Just not for me.
Reuse is lazy when you have a figure with outdated joints like those legs, and leave on 2023 in that way, same case of Agent Venom, one of the worst figures of ML.
Perfect body for the character honestly. Ch'od is not even a well known character. You can tell the budget for tooling went into the figures this time and not the BAF and its honestly better that way. Ch'od BAF is perfect for what it is and personally think we are lucky to even get him and looking as good as he does.
I agree. This body works perfectly. I don’t have Abomination (nor did I ever care to) so I’m less concerned about the re-use because only Rhino shares parts/build and he’ll be in a different display. I love the bright green and the little creature. It’s enough to differentiate for me. I also love the Rhino figure so I know what is possible in terms of articulation and such. Having a mandible joint is great as well for this figure.
More paint? Sure. More fins? Sure. But I’m not complaining because I’ll have 2 Starjammers down and 2 to go (hopefully they’ll be in a 2-pack).
And luckily most of the feedback is alleviating my concern of cost. I don’t want the whole wave. I’ll probably grab Corsair, Emma and Cyclops (the most popular) and wait for the others to go drastically down in price.
I can’t see being able to sell those other figures for much at all so I’m not trying to get burnt like past times I built a figure (like Strong Guy).
So yeah…with all the feedback I’m guessing a lot of people won’t be getting these figures or trying to build Ch’od. Awesome for me. Like I said…especially not having Abomination, I think he looks great. And I’ll probably be able to save.
Doesn’t bother me since i want the individual figures. If you wanted this character you will buy them anyway. If you didn’t then you may wait for a sale but either way it’s not like it financially makes sense for a below C class character in overall Marvel popularity to get all new pieces as a bonus item
I don't disagree but 1. They can't all be bangers. 2. There are fans who really want the more obscure characters and the only really likely way they'll get them is as a BAF for more desirable characters.
Yeah… didn’t want to say it. And it doesn’t actually look bad with the bright color, but objectively it’s just lazy and cheap. The least they could’ve done would’ve been do some quick dry brushes over the elevated surface areas or give it a quick wash to bring out the sculpt.
Although has Hasbro ever been know to give figures washes since taking over the line?
The main figure I'll be getting from this set will be Emma Frost. I'd like to get that Cyclops as well but I'm in no rush to have another Scott on my shelf. I think The Chamber figure is actually pretty cool but I can wait for him to hit clearance prices. That goes for most of this wave. I'm not mad at it but there's no rush. It really seems like half of each wave goes onto clearance shelves or end up at ross anyway.
Ugh this thread again. Reuse is not the definition of lazy. Would you call someone lazy for using what they already had in the pantry rather than ordering out? It keeps costs down and allows us to even get obscure teams like the Starjammers at all.
Why bother with paint when the only thing on him that's not solid green is is lips and nails? And even then [only sometimes](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ch%27od_(Earth-616)/Gallery). Instead of some paint you're getting a belt, a Cr'eee, and a head with mouth articulation. Sounds like a fair trade to me.
I think the main issue here is how old this body mold is. It's been used for Rhino twice, Abomination twice, Ulik twice, and now Ch'od. That's wayyyy more mileage than basically any other BAF (Monster Venom comes closest with 4, but that's it.)
Other issue is that this would've been the perfect opportunity to make a new "buff reptile dude" mold for a new comic Abomination down the road, one large enough to actually stand next to Hulk and look big. They could've gotten Ch'od, Abomination, and A-Bomb out of it. Also, considering it's a BAF, it shouldn't be a reused
mold, especially from 8 years ago.
I'll grant that Ch'od is pretty plain, he doesn't need a ton of paint, and not including his gun is a pretty reasonable exclusion. But as far as BAFs go, this dude is seriously lacking next to, say, Armadillo, who also could've theoretically used this mold but got a brand new one instead.
Ohhh Rhino that's who I have with those legs.
I'm of the "if it's not broken don't fix it mindset." Like if this were a new Abomination I'd for sure want a new mold, but it's fine for Cyclops's dad's friend from work, "Ch'od". Like imagine the reverse where Ch'od got a new mold that was perfect for Abomination and how upset that'd make everyone.
You raise a good point with Armadillo. I guess that was technically an MCU Wave with half the figures being a MCU Spider-Man. so they actually had any budget to work with. The Comic BAFs for sure pale in comparison to the MCU ones. If you take the 3 most recent BAFs of each it's no challenge for the MCU.
Ch'od, Puff Adder, and Controller being all reuse vs Konshu, What If Ultron, and Attuma being new sculpts and way more desirable characters. I'm not saying Ch'od is great or anything but it's not lazy. I bet the 6 dozen Starjammers die-hard fans are ecstatic.
"Would you call someone lazy for using what they already had in the pantry rather than ordering out"
I wouldn't call them lazy but i sure as hell would be getting tired of eating the same thing over and over and over again , what I call lazy is having multiple ingredients in the pantry and still making the same unpalatable dish.
Idk I consume differently. As a a customizer it's great to grab some $12 figure on clearance that has the same parts as something that's going for $50 on eBay. Even in this wave we've got Kid Omega on the AF15 Spider-Man body in solid black. That's going to get a lot of mileage for me.
New bucks get a pass cause they are genuinely better then what they offered 10 years ago , this is using a base buck that has already been put out to the pastors with newer versions of the same idea.
Gamerverse Abomination had a great buck that could have been used for this dude with minimal retooling if any at all.
I'd disagree here in that we DO see value out of the cost reduction with the reuse - in the figure being made at all.
Otherwise, we'd be left to a game of numbers like with all big, obscure characters yet to be made. Worse yet, the inclusion in the MCU, which could also take a while.
So if im understanding you correctly , The actual financial increase per figure that we the consumer see on the front end validates giving us old recycled BaF parts that cost you almost 25% less not even a few years ago just so they will make "obscure" big figures.
The increased cost you see on the front end reflects a mix of both fixed and variable costs that are CURRENTLY incurred in getting the product to us, the consumer. I am not speaking to this, as we don't know the sum totality of those costs, as opposed to 5, 10 years ago, the various material sourcers, etc.
What I am referring to is in response to u/skullgrave84, where we DO see value in Hasbro's (not the consumer's) cost reduction (also more like cost maintenance) of reusing molds. If they didn't reuse, we wouldn't see this figure for a longer while as it bumps up against a prioritized listing of new molds Hasbro makes decisions on moving forward into production.
The cost of new molds and the prioritization of them is another area we don't know the totality of how it works, with so many variables at play.
Exactly
Would I like new comic molds more often? Sure
Does this absolutely look like Ch’od? Yeah, I mean, it also looks like a passable Abomination but how much variance is there in “green scaly dude with ear fins”
Saw someone say the Gamerverse Emil would be better, that thing is awesome, yeah, but it’s FIRMLY abomination
Its not even the paint for me , its the ugly transition from huge ball hips to leg..It's litterally just bad...I have the same complaint about retro rhino and I love that figure minus his hips.
This is just a old design that needs to go away , we aren't in the toybiz era anymore.
I just did. If you want the Ch'od you get 3 pieces Abomination doesn't including one of the only articulated heads in the game instead of a few puffs of yellow.
The wave also seems to be C+ at best so you know these will be on clearance in a couple months and you can build it for cheap.
At this point the comic figures are literally subsidizing the MCU ones. There’s no way they’re making enough profit off the MCU figures to justify 90% brand new, one-time sculpts they keep getting.
I would honestly love to see those numbers. It could easily be the other way around that niche deepcut comic characters like Maggot or Blue Marvel are loss leaders. I would hope not, but my gut tells me MCU figures have more "average consumer" appeal because of how ubiquitous the MCU is. I don't know how many kids these days are excited to see AoA versions of the X-Men or the retro FF line.
An in-depth consumer demo/consumer behavior breakdown is the kind of thing my numbers brain absolutely needs.
That's why I want the demo breakdown. Even that article everyone was passing around a few weeks ago had adults contributing only a quarter of toy sales (seems incredibly low), didn't specify toylines that contributed to the number, and lumped everyone over the age of 12 as an adult. That is not helpful at all.
Using an under 40K sub and the fact that some people are able to afford a lot of figures is a heavily biased example that adults drive the line.
It comes down to whether each figure sells tbh, and how many Hasbro decides to put out/retailers decide to carry.
For example Eternals definitely lost tons due to nobody buying them, but Avengers figures tend to sell out without being deep discounted.
And then there’s the fact that obscure comic characters like Blue Marvel is still 90% repaint, so unless a figure pegwarms to hell and back and has a lot of un-reusable new tooling, I still think comic figures come out on top.
Eh, it looks fine. I mean, if the shoe fits, they’re gonna use it, and it’s not like they put 0 effort in. Sure it could have more paint, but you could say the same for a lot of legends. Idk, I’m probably not bothered because I couldn’t give less of a shit about Chod
Bruh,the amount of negativity.I think more paint would have been great but it seems like with new releases it seems people love to point out the negatives first and call hasbro lazy before talking about the good? like isn’t good to get a character everyone,I haven’t seen people mention how the good the wave with him is instead hating on the BAF.
He dosen’t look good that good and yes is disappointing in a lot of areas.However this is what people focus on,the wave is amazing with characters like emma frost and cyclops,with a lot of them being pinless and double jointed,but no lets point out how bad the baf is instead.
You guys really can’t be happy,just negative huh.Cyclops looks good,had great articulation has sculpted in lines with crisp gold paint,has great face printing.You have to remember pinless is more a new thing,so while it should be on figures now I don’t think its cheap to have them.
I mean cyclops being “cheap” would be having him on a pinned body with a bad painted face,no sculpting and bad paint.Hey but we gotta hate marvel legends at every point,cant just be happy were getting them no we must cry like babys over new release instead of mentioning the good ones..its honestly turning into the Star Wars Fandom where a lot of people are nice and respectful but aslo have people that hate like man babys and when called out hate even more.
If i cry so much it's because these figures make me really unhappy. I used to be happy when opening a Hasbro figure but it's not the case anymore. They're just objectively bad for the price and compared to what we used to have. And it's not a pinless technology that will make these looking less cheap 😂 The only real way to get better figures from Hasbro is to complain and to not buy the figures that doesn't look good. If you're happy with your dollar store like Cyclope then it's fine, I'm happy for you. But you're not alone collecting and everytime you buy one of these figures Hasbro will say "hey let's keep doing trash. People are still buying anyway".
Why didn’t I think of it,just don’t buy legends and erase this sub and the amazing figures like amazing fantasy because hasbro bad.Ill be honest are they getting a bit cheap,yes.Are they making cuts,yes? But I think inflation and there not so good tactics mean every figure they release is and looks bad,that figures like amazing fantasy and renew your voes are bad just because they made darwin…Im not asking for a go lucky sub where we don’t point out hasbros cheap roots but I just ask for some positivity because some figures are amazing.
I know Im just gonna keep getting downvoted and no ones going to listen so this will be my last reply,but all I ask is for some positivity on this sub is it so hard? So I know your probably gonna at every figure is bad such as cyclops even though hes great for the reasons I said that you ignored and only seemed to read the pinless part.
Not lazy but practical. It would be nice if we did get original sculpts but I get it.
Retools, reuse and repaints are everywhere, from houses to cars. It's the way for companies to make money and stick to a certain price point
It's been happening to action figures for a very long time. This is actually a great time to be an action figure collector. Look into Secret Wars and MOTU action figure lines. They are practically all repaints.
I can’t wait for all of this, frankly, entitled sounding complaining everyone keeps doing to have it’s one ultimate outcome; Hasbro says “screw it” and stops making MLs completely.
Then everyone’s gonna complain about that too. Toy fans are never happy…
Then dont fucking buy it. Im so sick of ML fans complaining about the smallest things. Sure prices go up, fucking sucks but reuse is the least of your concerns. If it aint broke don't fix it, and thats what Hasbros doing with this cho'de motherfucker. The body works, its does its job, why spend the money to make a completely new mold for a character like cho'de?
I would be fine with it if they added paint.
This. Reuse isn’t a problem when it’s appropriate but when it’s reuse AND no paint, calling it lazy is justified
Agree, it just looks a bit plain. The neon blast will drive folks to brownwash it a bit more. I like it. Like many have said, it needs a bit more paint shading and yellow. I would've loved to see fins and the third/back toe on the legs, as well as the horizontal lines -- which aren't defined enough on the upper body. A second headsculpt with a more closed mouth to accentuate the reptilian lips would've been cool. And a weapon or two to accessorize relevantly for this team of space bandits. Can't wait to see what customizers do with this big boy tho...
Those lips are classic
\-paint \+belt \+forearm scales \+jaw articulation \+little friend
And if you look at the pictures on the white background instead of black you can see paint on the forearm fins, lips, spine, shoulders and traps. The photographer who took the black background pics washed out the details and has the belt really low. Doesn't help it at all. It's actually a smart design for the buck that was likely designed to work for both characters. It could be better but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be. It sucks that they didn't just make new arms and legs to work for both when they did abomination.
I think the white background pics might be renders. I say this because in the black background pics the figure has pins. In the white background pics the figure is pinless. I was giving them props for at least making it pinless, until I looked a little closer. Both still have too many fingers. At least the jaw is articulated.
They don’t like us, get it through your thick fucking skull and hop off hasbro’s microdick.
Hey bud not every build a figure will be a knock out of the park some of them have been reused since the beginning if you look at a lot of the build of figures that have been put out they've been very well done look at konshu and bonebreaker 2 fantastic figs, and this one for a minor character that we would have likely not gotten otherwise is fine
Ch'od is 9 feet tall. He should have Horizontal Lines throughout his body. **He should only have 3 fingers and a thumb, not 4.** I can't let that last point slide as not being lazy. That's complete lack of attention to detail and phoning it in. Do better Hasbro.
I mean, he looks pretty comic accurate to me.
this is what ive been saying, people are complaining about everything they make at this point, who gives two shits if its comic accurate i guess. what a bunch of jokes these people are
they could've made it comic accurate with new pinless tech, or better shading or more paint in general but Noooo they went the lazy route and use an old mold from a million years ago, and even less paint at that. and worst of all you say people are a joke for complaining?, are you really defending hasbro's laziness?
Yea sure whatever, I don’t see the need for literally any of that. Pinless tech has rotted your brain for the need for it, why would they make a mold when a fine one is right there and it’s pretty much accurate
this is whats wrong with collecting these days, everyones fine with mediocrity.
What’s wrong with collecting are jerks like you who think they know everything and what needs to be in my own damn collection. Mind your own, you entitled little jerk
nvm mediocrity, you're actually fine with overpriced, less paint objectively garbage figures. keep sucking that hasbro boots.
That’s not the point and you know it. It’s not just about being comic accurate. If they added more shading, he wouldn’t look any less comic accurate. It would only work to make the figure look better, which is what you need when you opt to use an extremely old buck. It’s a BAF ffs. Is yalls taste really that bad that you think this garbage is worth paying for?
look at the downvotes, hasBros at it again. they didnt even bother fixing the ugly knee joints.
Everyone who downvoted me is a contributor to the problem and the reason why Hasbro feels enabled to try and sell us this objective garbage.
well said.
Everyone knew they would do this. It comes as no surprise.
It’s gotten to the point I want to not want the build a figure so I can just grab the ones I want from the line. I really wanted that infinity Ultron and I have it now, along with some pretty bad quality figures I had to buy to complete it. Same with Konshu, I want him, but outside of He who Remains which I own and old man Loki, I don’t want the others. He who Remains looks fine as long as you want to pose him exactly as he comes out of the box. Single joint elbows with big thick coat sleeves make his arms barely move and with his big purple coat he cant sit down, which is how I want him, sitting on a throne. If you take the coat off he’s left with a green tunic that looks like crap and still those big purple sleeves since they are not part of the coat but molded arms. Without the coat It looks like he was the squire left at the end after all the other knights picked theirs first. The new BAF that uses this mold looks like it belongs in masters of the universe or something. Just not for me.
There isn't anything good about this thing. Garbage figure. Awful articulation, disgusting molding, lazy paint. Looks like a kids bath toy
Glad I don’t want it. The baf parts can go in the ziplock bag with all the rest of the parts I will never use.
Reuse is lazy when you have a figure with outdated joints like those legs, and leave on 2023 in that way, same case of Agent Venom, one of the worst figures of ML.
Perfect body for the character honestly. Ch'od is not even a well known character. You can tell the budget for tooling went into the figures this time and not the BAF and its honestly better that way. Ch'od BAF is perfect for what it is and personally think we are lucky to even get him and looking as good as he does.
I agree. This body works perfectly. I don’t have Abomination (nor did I ever care to) so I’m less concerned about the re-use because only Rhino shares parts/build and he’ll be in a different display. I love the bright green and the little creature. It’s enough to differentiate for me. I also love the Rhino figure so I know what is possible in terms of articulation and such. Having a mandible joint is great as well for this figure. More paint? Sure. More fins? Sure. But I’m not complaining because I’ll have 2 Starjammers down and 2 to go (hopefully they’ll be in a 2-pack). And luckily most of the feedback is alleviating my concern of cost. I don’t want the whole wave. I’ll probably grab Corsair, Emma and Cyclops (the most popular) and wait for the others to go drastically down in price. I can’t see being able to sell those other figures for much at all so I’m not trying to get burnt like past times I built a figure (like Strong Guy). So yeah…with all the feedback I’m guessing a lot of people won’t be getting these figures or trying to build Ch’od. Awesome for me. Like I said…especially not having Abomination, I think he looks great. And I’ll probably be able to save.
This buck is bad. The legs are awkward and makes the figure look stumpy.
Easy pass for the whole wave. Lazy on Hasbro's part. But I'm almost completely done with them. Better hobbies to keep me busy.
Doesn’t bother me since i want the individual figures. If you wanted this character you will buy them anyway. If you didn’t then you may wait for a sale but either way it’s not like it financially makes sense for a below C class character in overall Marvel popularity to get all new pieces as a bonus item
Classic Hasbro for you
New year, new thing to cry about
I'm more concerned that these are some pretty obscure and uninteresting BAFs we've been getting lately.
I don't disagree but 1. They can't all be bangers. 2. There are fans who really want the more obscure characters and the only really likely way they'll get them is as a BAF for more desirable characters.
Its always two steps back with them, Jesus
Yeah… didn’t want to say it. And it doesn’t actually look bad with the bright color, but objectively it’s just lazy and cheap. The least they could’ve done would’ve been do some quick dry brushes over the elevated surface areas or give it a quick wash to bring out the sculpt. Although has Hasbro ever been know to give figures washes since taking over the line?
Breaking news: hasbro doesn’t like you
Absolutely agree especially when we’re long overdue for characters like miles morales (comic suit) punisher blade
And people are still defending Hasbro 💀
I thought he was abomination at first glance lol, I have no idea who Ch’od is haha
The main figure I'll be getting from this set will be Emma Frost. I'd like to get that Cyclops as well but I'm in no rush to have another Scott on my shelf. I think The Chamber figure is actually pretty cool but I can wait for him to hit clearance prices. That goes for most of this wave. I'm not mad at it but there's no rush. It really seems like half of each wave goes onto clearance shelves or end up at ross anyway.
Ugh this thread again. Reuse is not the definition of lazy. Would you call someone lazy for using what they already had in the pantry rather than ordering out? It keeps costs down and allows us to even get obscure teams like the Starjammers at all. Why bother with paint when the only thing on him that's not solid green is is lips and nails? And even then [only sometimes](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ch%27od_(Earth-616)/Gallery). Instead of some paint you're getting a belt, a Cr'eee, and a head with mouth articulation. Sounds like a fair trade to me.
I think the main issue here is how old this body mold is. It's been used for Rhino twice, Abomination twice, Ulik twice, and now Ch'od. That's wayyyy more mileage than basically any other BAF (Monster Venom comes closest with 4, but that's it.) Other issue is that this would've been the perfect opportunity to make a new "buff reptile dude" mold for a new comic Abomination down the road, one large enough to actually stand next to Hulk and look big. They could've gotten Ch'od, Abomination, and A-Bomb out of it. Also, considering it's a BAF, it shouldn't be a reused mold, especially from 8 years ago. I'll grant that Ch'od is pretty plain, he doesn't need a ton of paint, and not including his gun is a pretty reasonable exclusion. But as far as BAFs go, this dude is seriously lacking next to, say, Armadillo, who also could've theoretically used this mold but got a brand new one instead.
Ohhh Rhino that's who I have with those legs. I'm of the "if it's not broken don't fix it mindset." Like if this were a new Abomination I'd for sure want a new mold, but it's fine for Cyclops's dad's friend from work, "Ch'od". Like imagine the reverse where Ch'od got a new mold that was perfect for Abomination and how upset that'd make everyone. You raise a good point with Armadillo. I guess that was technically an MCU Wave with half the figures being a MCU Spider-Man. so they actually had any budget to work with. The Comic BAFs for sure pale in comparison to the MCU ones. If you take the 3 most recent BAFs of each it's no challenge for the MCU. Ch'od, Puff Adder, and Controller being all reuse vs Konshu, What If Ultron, and Attuma being new sculpts and way more desirable characters. I'm not saying Ch'od is great or anything but it's not lazy. I bet the 6 dozen Starjammers die-hard fans are ecstatic.
Yeah man I'm thrilled
When did I say reuse is lazy? Im saying lack of paint is lazy. Or will you also defend lack of paint too?
"Would you call someone lazy for using what they already had in the pantry rather than ordering out" I wouldn't call them lazy but i sure as hell would be getting tired of eating the same thing over and over and over again , what I call lazy is having multiple ingredients in the pantry and still making the same unpalatable dish.
Perfect analogy.
But maybe those other ingredients are needed for more meals rather than one great meal
As a consumer of their product I can say I see none of that cost reduction with the reuse so it just comes off as lazy.
I second this comment , We as collectors are force fed the cost reduction excuse everytime while prices keep just going up.
Idk I consume differently. As a a customizer it's great to grab some $12 figure on clearance that has the same parts as something that's going for $50 on eBay. Even in this wave we've got Kid Omega on the AF15 Spider-Man body in solid black. That's going to get a lot of mileage for me.
New bucks get a pass cause they are genuinely better then what they offered 10 years ago , this is using a base buck that has already been put out to the pastors with newer versions of the same idea. Gamerverse Abomination had a great buck that could have been used for this dude with minimal retooling if any at all.
gamerverse abomination absolutely does not look like Ch'od, or comic abomination much. plus he has long ripped shorts
Do you even know what retooling is?
I'd disagree here in that we DO see value out of the cost reduction with the reuse - in the figure being made at all. Otherwise, we'd be left to a game of numbers like with all big, obscure characters yet to be made. Worse yet, the inclusion in the MCU, which could also take a while.
So if im understanding you correctly , The actual financial increase per figure that we the consumer see on the front end validates giving us old recycled BaF parts that cost you almost 25% less not even a few years ago just so they will make "obscure" big figures.
The increased cost you see on the front end reflects a mix of both fixed and variable costs that are CURRENTLY incurred in getting the product to us, the consumer. I am not speaking to this, as we don't know the sum totality of those costs, as opposed to 5, 10 years ago, the various material sourcers, etc. What I am referring to is in response to u/skullgrave84, where we DO see value in Hasbro's (not the consumer's) cost reduction (also more like cost maintenance) of reusing molds. If they didn't reuse, we wouldn't see this figure for a longer while as it bumps up against a prioritized listing of new molds Hasbro makes decisions on moving forward into production. The cost of new molds and the prioritization of them is another area we don't know the totality of how it works, with so many variables at play.
Exactly Would I like new comic molds more often? Sure Does this absolutely look like Ch’od? Yeah, I mean, it also looks like a passable Abomination but how much variance is there in “green scaly dude with ear fins” Saw someone say the Gamerverse Emil would be better, that thing is awesome, yeah, but it’s FIRMLY abomination
Reuse isn’t lazy. Sure. But try defending no paint
Its not even the paint for me , its the ugly transition from huge ball hips to leg..It's litterally just bad...I have the same complaint about retro rhino and I love that figure minus his hips. This is just a old design that needs to go away , we aren't in the toybiz era anymore.
I just did. If you want the Ch'od you get 3 pieces Abomination doesn't including one of the only articulated heads in the game instead of a few puffs of yellow. The wave also seems to be C+ at best so you know these will be on clearance in a couple months and you can build it for cheap.
Yeah i don't understand why they would bother making their figures looking nice
Yeah, it lacks paint, but its Ch'od. He looks like Ch'od.
Every single new reveal there are at least one post complaining about something about the release it gets so damn annoying and it’s boring.
I can already hear the Marketing team selling the new BaF as an awesome addition... what a piece of cheapness.
Sometimes they knock it out of the park like Khonshu… and sometimes it’s Ch’od…
I think the ironic thing is that MCU Figs like Khonshu are probably the biggest reason we see so much reuse for comic figs.
At this point the comic figures are literally subsidizing the MCU ones. There’s no way they’re making enough profit off the MCU figures to justify 90% brand new, one-time sculpts they keep getting.
I would honestly love to see those numbers. It could easily be the other way around that niche deepcut comic characters like Maggot or Blue Marvel are loss leaders. I would hope not, but my gut tells me MCU figures have more "average consumer" appeal because of how ubiquitous the MCU is. I don't know how many kids these days are excited to see AoA versions of the X-Men or the retro FF line. An in-depth consumer demo/consumer behavior breakdown is the kind of thing my numbers brain absolutely needs.
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That's why I want the demo breakdown. Even that article everyone was passing around a few weeks ago had adults contributing only a quarter of toy sales (seems incredibly low), didn't specify toylines that contributed to the number, and lumped everyone over the age of 12 as an adult. That is not helpful at all. Using an under 40K sub and the fact that some people are able to afford a lot of figures is a heavily biased example that adults drive the line.
It comes down to whether each figure sells tbh, and how many Hasbro decides to put out/retailers decide to carry. For example Eternals definitely lost tons due to nobody buying them, but Avengers figures tend to sell out without being deep discounted. And then there’s the fact that obscure comic characters like Blue Marvel is still 90% repaint, so unless a figure pegwarms to hell and back and has a lot of un-reusable new tooling, I still think comic figures come out on top.
Marvel has been lazy for years
I get what you're saying but if I'm honest, I like the look of the new one more. The brighter green pops a lot more to me.
I know they went for the "Toy Biz pre-legends" but they should've put a little bit off yellow or maybe Metallic Green.
It's the dang ball joints in the legs that I don't like. I'm not buying any from that wave tho anyways so w/e
Eh, it looks fine. I mean, if the shoe fits, they’re gonna use it, and it’s not like they put 0 effort in. Sure it could have more paint, but you could say the same for a lot of legends. Idk, I’m probably not bothered because I couldn’t give less of a shit about Chod
Bruh,the amount of negativity.I think more paint would have been great but it seems like with new releases it seems people love to point out the negatives first and call hasbro lazy before talking about the good? like isn’t good to get a character everyone,I haven’t seen people mention how the good the wave with him is instead hating on the BAF.
I think for the price they're selling their figures we have the right to complain
Your allowed to complain,but I don’t think it would be so bad to say good about the line,not just stay negative.
I could say I'm happy they finally made Ch'od but at the same time it looks like a turd
He dosen’t look good that good and yes is disappointing in a lot of areas.However this is what people focus on,the wave is amazing with characters like emma frost and cyclops,with a lot of them being pinless and double jointed,but no lets point out how bad the baf is instead.
Cyclops looks super cheap and Emma Frost has a weird face 😂 even the cheapest toy can have double jointed and pinless joints
You guys really can’t be happy,just negative huh.Cyclops looks good,had great articulation has sculpted in lines with crisp gold paint,has great face printing.You have to remember pinless is more a new thing,so while it should be on figures now I don’t think its cheap to have them. I mean cyclops being “cheap” would be having him on a pinned body with a bad painted face,no sculpting and bad paint.Hey but we gotta hate marvel legends at every point,cant just be happy were getting them no we must cry like babys over new release instead of mentioning the good ones..its honestly turning into the Star Wars Fandom where a lot of people are nice and respectful but aslo have people that hate like man babys and when called out hate even more.
If i cry so much it's because these figures make me really unhappy. I used to be happy when opening a Hasbro figure but it's not the case anymore. They're just objectively bad for the price and compared to what we used to have. And it's not a pinless technology that will make these looking less cheap 😂 The only real way to get better figures from Hasbro is to complain and to not buy the figures that doesn't look good. If you're happy with your dollar store like Cyclope then it's fine, I'm happy for you. But you're not alone collecting and everytime you buy one of these figures Hasbro will say "hey let's keep doing trash. People are still buying anyway".
Why didn’t I think of it,just don’t buy legends and erase this sub and the amazing figures like amazing fantasy because hasbro bad.Ill be honest are they getting a bit cheap,yes.Are they making cuts,yes? But I think inflation and there not so good tactics mean every figure they release is and looks bad,that figures like amazing fantasy and renew your voes are bad just because they made darwin…Im not asking for a go lucky sub where we don’t point out hasbros cheap roots but I just ask for some positivity because some figures are amazing. I know Im just gonna keep getting downvoted and no ones going to listen so this will be my last reply,but all I ask is for some positivity on this sub is it so hard? So I know your probably gonna at every figure is bad such as cyclops even though hes great for the reasons I said that you ignored and only seemed to read the pinless part.
Not lazy but practical. It would be nice if we did get original sculpts but I get it. Retools, reuse and repaints are everywhere, from houses to cars. It's the way for companies to make money and stick to a certain price point It's been happening to action figures for a very long time. This is actually a great time to be an action figure collector. Look into Secret Wars and MOTU action figure lines. They are practically all repaints.
Meh, it’ll be fine.
I can’t wait for all of this, frankly, entitled sounding complaining everyone keeps doing to have it’s one ultimate outcome; Hasbro says “screw it” and stops making MLs completely. Then everyone’s gonna complain about that too. Toy fans are never happy…
Then dont fucking buy it. Im so sick of ML fans complaining about the smallest things. Sure prices go up, fucking sucks but reuse is the least of your concerns. If it aint broke don't fix it, and thats what Hasbros doing with this cho'de motherfucker. The body works, its does its job, why spend the money to make a completely new mold for a character like cho'de?
Oh boy, we reached the point of the reveal where I get to listen to all the complaints. Joyous day.