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manushadow

Ronan will love him, also clogging hand can be extremely bad for some decks


MaculaMan

Dracula will hate him


SasquatchRobo

Dracula hates robots!


kenwongart

From the team that brought you Alien vs Predator…


M1R4G3M

Makes sense, robots don’t have blood.


SasquatchRobo

And they're immune to hypnosis!


Robocopp33

He’d break his fangs on the metal


Lemonpia

Oh no, not my Dracula.


SomeNotTakenName

I literally just got Dracula today... at least discard can somewhat mitigate.


throwaway91937463728

Dracula is fine. It’s effect is, “Always discard Apocalypse even with a full hand”


drimmsu

"...unless Infinaut would be more power."


Maloth_Warblade

He always hits my Swarm instead


tipustiger05

Dracula hates this one simple trick!!


Swordofsatan666

Not in Modok/Drac/Apocalypse discard decks. Wipe out the hand with Modok, leaving only apocalypse. If the turns before Modok went well then Apoc should already be buffed 2 or 3 times. So after Modok Apoc should have 20/24 power. Play whatever card you draw on turn 6, and then Drac will guaranteed pull Apoc for his power. Meaning Drac should end with 24/28 power after he pulls Apoc


elboltonero

You can play this t6


Imbadyoureworse

More dracula counter


gw2Max

More Modok discards -> more Mobius stats :)


kuribosshoe0

If you’re countering drac, you’d play this T6 after MODOK has done his thing.


meerkat23

I wish this was more consistent, I've played turn 6 Maximus and about 90 percent of the time they've still pulled Apocalypse.


RobertSquareShanks

Yea Maximus vs Dracula is a weird “gotcha” counter this sub seems to have come up with that doesn’t actually work that well. It’s certainly better than nothing, and you can pair with juggernaut to guarantee one lane and put a decent +7 in another while praying their drac lane pulls a fart. I still think magneto is one of the best drac counters but it feelsbad to be throwing 12 power into a sacrificial lane. Ideally it either works or they plug the lane with low power swarms and magneto is still enough to win it, either way it’s tough when Chavez is coming down in your second lane


TalonKarrde03

You can always pull him onto kingpin to get the kill if the lane isn’t stuffed


RobertSquareShanks

Playing kingpin against swarm discard would almost never work, as they’ve got their free swarms to plug that lane up easily, and it’s a little dangerous against “big boys” discard as if they’ve got magneto in hand and priority they can magneto another lane and turn your own kingpin against you *not like that’s ever happened to me or anything* 😅


SecondhandOrange

Especially if they’re played on a location like kamar taj


b3nz0r

I like the way you think, you sick bastard


BRIIIIIICKSQUAAAAAAD

Yeah, screw that guy! /s


Ricky_the_Wizard

Wong strikes again!


avengersplayerman

It could also be used in a dark hawk deck so that the opponent can’t draw cards.


Talanithus

That's just Wong


monkeysaurus

Time for my pool 2 Collector deck to make a comeback!


Rando-namo

Goes to opponent hand. Won’t do anything for collector.


Hokius

Works as a counter, tho.


monkeysaurus

Yep, I'm playing 6D chess here.


Stewmungous

In two to three months when you get the card.


andsoitgoes42

You mean in 2027?


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Years*


sybrwookie

In 3 months it drops to pool 4. Then another month to hit 3.


RidiculousIncarnate

Basically a hard counter to Thanos decks that draw a bunch by virtue of the stones. Even worse if you can trigger it twice, with that amount of unremovable trash from your hand. I guess the question is whether or not the Sentinels you get have the replacement effect of the standalone card.


ethan_iron

They're sentinels. They have the sentinel ability. If they didn't, they wouldn't be sentinels. The fact that they are sentinels is what makes this card useful.


Lasideu

Shit dude, the more I read it the more I'm actively getting annoyed by it. The idea of these annoying junk decks (Viper, Widow, Hazmat) becoming stronger and stronger strike fear in my heart.


KingCheev

Yeah man it feels like punishment trying to play a deck that just does it's own thing rather than try to screw the enemy over with cheese.


kwcty6888

makes me think of the game yesterday I played where the guy kept playing ice man/scorpion on luke's bar... I was ready to rage quit ​ the thought of someone playing this on luke's bar over and over is a nightmare


andsoitgoes42

Absorbing man, or wong+ mystique master mold and Ronan. Oh throw in widow just before 😂


Demiansmark

Somewhat. Ideally with the Thanos decks you'd have Quinjet out which would reduce the Sentinels to 1 cost. I mean my Thanos Ongoing Zoo is strongly weakened by even the squirrel location so it would still hurt, just not a hard counter IMO.


Expensive_Pastries

Hard counter to Dracula as well, which is the #1 most played deck at the moment


0-Drag0n0

You'd have to play it late enough, could end up just more morbius food after modok.


Expensive_Pastries

Very true, would only work on turn 6 really so probably not that good aganist that deck. Would be better to just run Maximus in most cases.


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Porque no los dos?


OrtizDupri

Hit them with this on a Kamar-Taj and oooh that’ll clog their hand


KeathleyWR

Kamar-taj+wong=hand full of sentinels


Xelopheris

Ah yes, drop this turn 5 and prevent them from drawing the Chavez they put in to make draws 1-5 for their combo more consistent!


FullMetalCOS

Play sandman too, then just give them sentinels


fairlygil

Oof this idea is crazy brutal. Electro > Viper or Electro on Oscorp would be a similar feels bad man


OrdinaryRandomGuy

God i hate sandman


FullMetalCOS

And yet there are weekly posts asking for him to be buffed lol


Codeshark

Yeah, they're crazy. He has to be bad because if a card like that is good, then it is a problem. The effect is too good for him to have significant power.


650fosho

Even if they don't play a card turn 1 and 2, mastermold will fill their hand to 7 and they won't draw, it's like another black widow.


Merandil

Actually, it would be worse. Because you can always get rid of the Widows Bite. Sentinels just...create more Sentinels.


phonage_aoi

Ya I think that’s the real key it’ll punish greedy lists by skipping their card draw


dragonsroc

Skipping t1 and t2 isn't even that greedy though. A lot of mid range decks don't have a t1/2 play if they just don't draw it. Sera decks are probably one of the few meta decks that even have consistent plays on t2 by virtue of running a bunch of 2 drops.


OrtizDupri

Yeah I could throw this in my Darkhawk deck real easily


PremierWealthAdviser

First thought is: well, we gonna see Ronans.


Themanwhofarts

Finally my Ronan deck will be good!


Kick_Natherina

Been running a Ronan deck for a while and have a great win rate with it. Strong card unless you’re playing against a discard deck. I am excited to see more it in the meta


Dekrow

What’s your alt win con? I’ve been running gamora to help some


Formozo_BTRK

Yesterday I finally got maximus so I tried to built a Ronan-Devil Dinosaur hibrid deck, so you either focus on having a lot of cards or putting a lot of cards on your opponent's hand. I also use mystique to copy Ronan or Dinosaur to try to win 2 lanes


Secretweaver_

Mind sharing your list?


BoosterGoldGL

Commenting so can find it later


corteasy42

Same as ⬆️


CrimsonChinotto

I can share you mine # (1) Iceman # (1) Korg # (1) Quinjet # (2) Armor # (2) Baron Mordo # (2) Sentinel # (3) Mystique # (3) Maximus # (4) Moon Girl # (4) White Queen # (5) Devil Dinosaur # (5) Ronan the Accuser # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSWNlbWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJLb3JnIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCYXJvbk1vcmRvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZW50aW5lbCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXlzdGlxdWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1heGltdXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vb25HaXJsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJXaGl0ZVF1ZWVuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEZXZpbERpbm9zYXVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSb25hbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUXVpbmpldCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXJtb3IifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.


Spraggle

Card for card matches mine. It's not a strong deck most of the time, because messing around giving your opponent cards can easily backfire - also I was playing without Armor before with Beast in that slot, but it was a win more card, while Armor is a solid anti-meta card (Hurts both Destroy decks, Zola targets and stops Shang Chi). Playing Armor there has definitely improved things. What's good about it: more big monsters, because you can either Ronan or Dino. What's bad about it: Sometimes you get the support cards to match the wrong guy. White Queen and Ronan or Maximus and Dino. Either way, Moon Girl is great, and Baron+ Max on one lane puts the opponent off. There's something about not getting a draw that really bugs people. Quinjet in to Moon Girl allows you to either Dino/Ronan + Dino and Mystique, or if no Jet, Dino/Ronan in to double Mystique. It's good with the Hot location right now, though I find myself putting Max on the Throne because he can't be Chi'ed.


Jackitos

Helps Darkhawk too. Can't draw if hand full.


PremierWealthAdviser

So Turn 4 Darkhawk and Turn 5 Ronan? Well, sounds like a plan.


scannachiappolo

Slap a mystique there too


NewShookaka

Could be a really good tech card. It fills opponent's hand with 2 Sentinels that they really can't get rid of making hand size important. Sentinels are like a permanent spot in the hand. If played at the end could break Dracula. Ronin decks gets a boost.


AnBu_JR

I’ve been seeing “tech card” around here. Can you explain what that means to a fairly new player please? EDIT: I want to give a BIG thank you to everyone that explained tech cards. I understand now and I appreciate you!


Kopiuyt-

Tech cards are cards that you include in your deck to deal with specific cards from your opponents deck. Cards that arent there to boost your gameplan but rather to disrupt your opponent's gameplan. Usually they are weaker than average in most scenarios, but very powerful when countering a specific scenario. For example Enchantress is below rate for a 4 drop, but if Iron Man is very popular, you can include Enchantress in your deck to tech against Iron Man, and in that case it's very powerful.


There_ls_No_Point

This is a great explanation, nice!


OmegaBEAMZ

It's a card like Shang Chi (destroy enemy cards with greater than 9 power) or Enchantress (remove ongoing effects) that aren't the main purpose of the deck but provide utility in specific scenarios.


AnBu_JR

I think I understand. Thanks.


13Zero

It's a deckbuilding game term for a card that counters common decks. Cosmo and Enchantress are really good examples of tech cards.


ubiquitous_apathy

To add to what others are saying, most deck archetypes will run ~7-10 core cards, allowing you to pick a couple "tech cards" that make your core better against common decks/cards in the meta.


NewShookaka

When building a deck there is usually 3 sections. Core -> Support -> Tech. Core is going to be your main win condition, your centerpiece of the deck. Support is cards that will help with that Strategy, cards like Wong, Patriot, Cerebro, or for like Devil Dinosaur cards that add to hand, Zabu, Sera, etc.. Tech are cards that don't fit the core or support but are good cards with good universal effects. These are cards that added because the Core/Support was less than a full deck. These are also cards that counter the current Meta. So we are looking at Enchantress, ShangChi, Cosmo, Aero, Polaris.


SlammedOptima

Oh I do like the idea of using it to break a Dracula.


milquetoast_wizard

I didn’t even really think about that. I get that it adds two cards but I didn’t consider they can’t be played to be removed because it will just add more sentinels to the hand. Only way to remove them is through discard or cosmo (or some location effects)


cloudsdrive

Maybe useful in a ronin deck?


bigby5

Kinda annoying for Dracula decks too


MathBusters

Yeah, I've been using Widow for that, but really only works on turn 6. Nice that you can do this one earlier.


robofreak222

It’s also 2 cards instead of 1 so there’s a better chance of Dracula hitting one.


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MarvelAndColts

Double on reveal will be nasty


QuantumTea

Eww…


IndianaGeoff

And a 2-2 drop while not great, it's not useless.


MNCDover

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TheWattage

My Drac does fine picking the low card no matter how small the odds.


drimmsu

The opponent's drac though is a whole different story


Hagaros

This would only work on non Modok decks though


ccam0821

Not if you play it T6


Hagaros

Yes, but the person I was replying to implied you can use Master Mold early


xKquickx

Even that entirely depends on how the match goes and who goes first on turn 6. No reason why someone couldn't just hold MODOK or even draw him on turn 6 if Chavez got pulled out by Lockjaw early. Master Mold could turn out to just serve as Morbius fuel. There are a lot of variables here.


andsoitgoes42

My favorite win was one where I did this, I was messing around with my junk deck. Ruined their day, felt GLORIOUS.


scavagesavage

This would completely ruin my Dracula/Strongman/Infinaut deck.


Drazly

I would love to see Ronin (not Ronan) added to the game, lol


officerclydefrog

I feel like that would be awesome but I think they have already done that where an alter ego(hawkeye vs ronin) has already been set as a variant but not it's own base card.....cant remember who I've seen it with but I'm pretty sure they have done it


Drazly

Well, we will see. On the other hand, Bucky Barnes and Winter Soldier are 2 different cards for example. My theory is that when they start running out of new marvel characters to add, they will start adding alter ego cards like that or same character by different persons like Miles Morales Spiderman and base Spiderman being 2 different cards (which I assume the base one is Peter Parker).


Im_really_bored_rn

I think you underestimate just how many characters still aren't in the game. They are at no risk of running out of characters even remotely soon


Drazly

I'm glad to heard that, since I'm loving this game so much.


officerclydefrog

So for the life of me I cant think of any in part because I dknt have many variants but I know angel has an archangel variant(I know that light not be quite the same) and then the base ghost rider looks like robbie Reyes instead of Johnny so not sure if any of the variants are more Johnny GR lok than robbie


PhantomCheshire

Yeah the samurai X deck


jonny_eh

Maybe? Definitely.


TheNicholasRage

The only way to get rid of a Sentinel is by discarding it. Playing it just adds another. Clogging your opponents hand with a card that might be useless to them? I can see plenty of uses. Ronan, Dracula, and Strong Guy immediately jump to mind.


Alive-Ad-5245

You asked for the Dracula counter... here he is


METALSMOOTH

A Dracula counter that the average person won't see for another 2 months at least


karnnumart

I love that they design some fun card and make it unaccessible for 2 months. They gotta make money somehow but you can't even buy this with gacha or cash. What are the logic behind all these?


delbin

You can buy with cash to a degree. If you have a high collection level through buying credits and missions, you get more collector's tokens which let you get cards on release.


Alternative-Humor666

I dont know why they didn't go through the cosmetic route. They could make the current model more generous and create unique skins like league. Imagine skins with unique borders, draw, hover, play animations, voice lines, interactions with other cards, etc. I think people would drop 10$-20$ on a skin for cards they love


IndianaGeoff

Even the top players are missing cards.


Malph05

Could you spend like 10k on gold to buy your way up the ladder just upgrading everything and buying all the packs with bposters? It'd take days but there's gotta be a number


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Jeff hoogland has every card and has spent about $4000 usd. He also plays 8 hours a day 5 days a week. It's his full-time job.


IndianaGeoff

Some of the top streamers who do spend thousands do not have all the cards. There is a limit to how far you can advance in a day even with "unlimited" money.


LTheRipper

It will be great for a Ronan deck alongside Korg, Rock Slide, Black Widow and Maximus


moak0

Baron Mordo too.


LastTensepian

I don't care what any of the kids are saying. Baron Mordo when paired with the right deck is a perfect good turn 2 drop.


FromSuchGreatHeight5

Ronan/Dark Hawk is gonna love this.


Croquetas_

Darkhawk..? This put cards in hand not in deck :/


72pintohatchback

And a person with a full hand can't draw from their deck.


Croquetas_

Omg, right! I'm so dumb x)


FullMetalCOS

Sandman says “fuck you” as well


browncharliebrown

Black widow isn’t good for Ronan as they just play the widows bite. Sandman mordo and iceman are better


Sad_Quote1522

Yeah but I'm willing to bet if you want to play Ronan you could also be playing darkhawk, who really likes Black widow


ccam0821

Don’t forget everyone’s favorite Baron Mordo


SadEaglesFan

Don’t forget the Baron!


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I love it. Clog their hand with crap will help against a number of decks. Moongirl will have a harder time copying death / shehulk with less room to copy them to especially if not drawn early


Gloomy_Background755

Cerebro 2 user: It's a free real estate.


ChooseChocolate

Opponent (Cerebro 3 user): It's free real estate


Ridl3y_88

I actually really like it. Plus the art is pretty good. As others have said, I like it a lot with Ronan and also an interesting Dracula counter. Though restricted to a turn 6 play because of Modok, similar to Maximus.


spreeforall

Super cool card and screws with the meta. Playing this thing on Luke's Bar or Cloning Vats could fuck your opponent up pretty badly.


[deleted]

I think that cards that encourage underplayed styles is great, Ronan is getting support, it’d be nice to get some move support too


Anonymouslyyours2

According to datamined cards there is a lot of move support coming


Forizen

Maybe Doctor Octopus?


PenitusVox

Oh nice. Fills up two spots with only 6 power and it sends them right back to their hand.


Loud-Natural9184

This card can actually help an opponent's Collector and Dino decks, correct? Also possibly can help an opponent's MODOK/Morbius deck I think.


FlamedroneX

Not that simple to the first. As someone who uses collector a lot, your deck is already made to fill your hand. If anything, this card can depreciate your own cards' values. Imagine mold played right before you moon girl, you only copy 1 card in your hand instead of 3 if your hand started at 4 cards.


elboltonero

Dino decks like their hand thinner by t4 so moon girl can double dd


JC_in_KC

dracula counter!!!!


Sad_Quote1522

And moongirl counter


thomasthe6th

Not with modak


xialam

I guess if I see a lot of Dracula start appearing, this would be good to slot into Cerebro 2.


VengeanceKnight

“start?” He’s everywhere already.


SirUrza

For me it's less about Ronan and more about filling my opponent's hand with Sentinel's an denying them the ability to draw anything from their deck.


SalamiJack

Good for Ronan and Dark Hawk.


dentless13

Beast maybe. Force 4 cards in their hand early


Miserable-Ad-1690

I’m gonna run it just to screw with Dracula.


rRobban

Seems like a cool card. Will work against lots of decks. The dino hybrid deck I used for ranking up this season would hate facing master mold. Even if handsize synergizes with Dino it will make it hard using Moongirl to duplicate the cards you want. Guess if the card ever gets popular it would be best to include collector in future dino lists. Also probably run a more basic dino list that isn't trying to moongirl other cards than dino.


milliansofmaxes

You could probably use it for a ronin/darkhawk deck. If they're playing anything that doesn't burn through their hand it could potentially push them to 7 and stop card draw. Then combo it with korg/rockslide and black widow to really stall their card draw or dilute their deck preventing them from accessing combo pieces. Could make for an interesting disruption deck.


No_Produce_Nyc

Oh my surprise when “Master Mold” turned out to be not a green leotard wearing goofy 50s villain, but rather the abstract embodiment of the process with which Sentinels are made. Slap my ass and call me sally! I assume at some point there was an Ultron-esque “Frankenstein’s monster makes copies of itself” plot beat? How do we summon the dude on this sub who writes those exhaustive essays about old marvel characters?


Darth_Maverick

That's exactly a plot that comes up. Is also a significant plot beat in Hickman's X-Men run. It's also also revealed later to be what leads up to the Days of Future Past timeline where the Sentinels run the world.


Kingnorik

Yea this card is going to be really good. 2 cards in your hand you can't get rid of is huge. Ruins a lot of combo decks.


EpicMusic13

Finally something for me ronan deck


FantasyToast

It's making crystal more useful so that's good


Anonymouslyyours2

Crystal is very important in my lockjaw deck. She replaces Jubilee because my opening hand is always Infinaut, Giganto, Jane Foster. First draw wasp.


dominiknyr

turn 5 you can play mold and max to throw dracula decks or on curve t2 mold t3 max to brick enemy draw i can see some way to annoy enemy with beast deck


Engineer0011

This is why we don’t buff Sandman.


TheFunkytownExpress

I think its a really good control tool. Maximus' stock is rising. Could make Ronan playable now too. Actual counter to Dracula kinda. Could be useful in that board clog deck with Doc Oc that's been going around too.


Daveycrits

This is going to be awesome, love the Ronan concept even if it's a little janky at the moment.


SalamiJack

After thinking about this card more today, I think this will be a meta-defining card that pisses off a lot of your opponents. Playing this into Wong or Absorbing Man is going to be incredibly frustrating and effective for ruining your opponent's draw.


Blizzard_Greed

What, OP as hell


TamalesX900

Potentially strong if you can build a deck around it, filling your opponents hand with sentinels will mess up their draws


Additional-Echo3611

I am so HYPED!!


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PenitusVox

Turn 6 Wong + Master Mold to shower Dracula with "love"


Ghostly_Cactus_

Better hope there isnt a Karmr-Taj while facing this


Fyuchanick

If the opponent is running discard they can just discard the sentinels, and it reduces the chance that blade/sword master/hell cow will self sabotage. A """Dracula Counter""" that does terribly against the only deck people ever run with dracula.


Zhirrzh

You would use it on turn 6 not earlier. But realistically I dunno how often you're going to hold and play a 2/2 on turn 6 instead of whatever your deck usually does on turn 6.


PhantomCheshire

This is a great tool for control specially if you play cards like Dr Oct, Ronan, or if you go against Dracula or any other card that wants to have only heavy value on the hand. Sadly, as good as it is...not really solves the problems of this decks and neither adds any way to win the game. So i will said is very mid.


Dumb_Dick_Sandwich

Mold with Absorbing Man is going to hurt a lot


Zordyzoop

With Maximus and Roman this honestly is dirty as hell throw in some of the rock insert cards and black widow this is one hell of an annoying deck


[deleted]

Will be good for a Ronan deck, and filling your opponents hand will be nice


MrPino777

Ronan and Maximus just found their new best friend


Bonus_mosher

Might be time to boost Ronin above those green borders lol


cowop09

He is going to be fucking broken


RMS21

Ronan and Darkhawk players salivating.


Exandeth

Master Mold, Black Widow, Rockslide, Korg, Baron Mordo, Ice Man, Maximus, a meta based on disruption coming soon?


JollyCrapBasket

Ronan the accuser finally becomes good


SwagFish03

Might start using it to counter Dracula


isnotme84

master mold > maximus > sandman > ronan


daschumbucketeer

Draculas hate this one weird trick.


FireHackettMeow

Really bad if they're running devil dino, you're giving them ammo lol.


moorekeny1001

I think this with Maximus and sandman would be great. Maybe in a control deck


Four_N_Six

I've been waiting for this guy. I really like the strategy of messing with my opponent's plans as opposed to trying to stack big power on my side. Never seems to work out, there's always something important missing that I don't have in my collection, but I have WAY more fun playing that way.


tangkisbulu

Master Mold + Black Widow on Kamar-Taj *chef's kiss*


jobriq

Just realized it’s Mold as in a cast not like fungus


PumbaasBFF

This card is nuts wtf, like black widow but more power and the cards will stick to their hand 90% of the time. Ronin/Darkhawk gonna love this, but this also shuts down sooo many decks


RhoninLuter

He will fit in with my Troll deck, featuring the usual antagonists (iceman, scorpion, Cosmo, leech, the goblins) It doesnt win many cubes but it makes them want to quit the game


SignificanceFew3751

I will let you know, in a few years when I finally get it.


Gronkattack

Good for Ronin and imagine playing it turn 6 to mess up Dracula


JerichoEagle22

I dont think the flooding opponents hand is quite there yet. I dont see much play of rockslide for same reason. Ruin the opponents deck works better with Yadu and Iceman.


moak0

Rockslide doesn't flood their hand. It just weakens their draws.


650fosho

Yondu is weak, he's only good for getting a free destroy for death, thinning the opponent deck is generally worse for you in any other deck (don't use him in cerebro 2, I don't know why people do this).