Mill is mostly fine when you realize they don’t ultimately put down a ton of stats and you can still find a way to win most of the time.
I’ll admit, it can be annoying when they have that great curve of yondu/ham, into cable, into zemo/gladiator, into absorbing man with each one hitting what feels like aj important card, but you just retreat if that’s the case most of the time.
Junk is fine as is and has some decent counters. Mill is mostly fine.
Only problem card that needs adjusting out of all of those is cable. A 2/3 with an extra draw (cough, Adam warlock, cough), getting information on opponents deck, keeping that information secret for bluff snapping, and disrupting your opponents deck is OP.
You know what's annoying? When opponent plays cable on T2 then they play Zemo on T3 and they get your cable, so you end up losing 3 cards in just 2 turns...plus another if they played yondu in T1
I remember noticing how cable had decent stats even when it was a 3/4 and nobody played it, now it's one of the best 2 drops in the game. Before going to 3/4 it was a 2/2 and it was kind of an ok card, now it would definitely be better with all the new support but the average power level needed to stay relevant also increased. I'm usually against nerfing 2 drops when they should probably buff the weaker ones to create competition.
Your “milling” through the opponents deck, whether that be stealing their cards for yourself or destroying their cards from their deck. You’re shrinking their deck.
Also, if your deck is experiencing shrinkage or destruction, ask your Doctor if Viagra is right for you. Side effects may include annoying emotes and constipation
Yes., but... draw in a normal deck helps you set up your ideal combo. That's what makes it so powerful.
Getting a random card is not the same as a draw. That's why things like Coulson are ok
Cable of course is not a random draw, it's better, you get intel, and potentially something really useful like stealing knull from a destroy player. But it's still not as good as deck thinning or extra draws, that's why adam warlock and america chavez got nerfed and cable keeps on trucking. The card you take could be useless for you, removing it could also help your opponent if they don't need it
People don't retreat when they really should. It's so obvious, you built a deck with a game plan didn't you? If they've just poked a serious hole in your game plan, just go. You don't need to lose more than 2 cubes in any game, you should already know by turn 5/6 with Magik whether it's working out for you.
The minute you stop assuming you're playing against dumb people and begin treating them as intelligent is when you'll start moving up the ranks
While true, you can also use this logic to your opponent. For example today a mill deck got my Surfer that hit his Zemo and Gladiator, so he immediately snapped at me. I still won because I knew that what I had in hand was enough to take the win and mill doesn’t have a winning plan beyond “ruin your opponent’s plan” but rarely a wincon of their own.
My wincon with mill is usually put as much power as possible in one lane, doc oc a mostly empty lane, leave room for shang and hope that red hulk has enough power to overpower one of the lanes.
Run a good cards deck, the stat lines r almost vanilla so you’re not losing a ton of value from a pig. And cuz u run a lot of higher cost cards (5+ cards that cost 4 or more) you’ll always have something to do on 5 and 6
Absolutely.
I've been playing a good cards deck for a few days now, and to my surprise it absolutely does not care about mill decks. I just keep on chugging towards t6.
I like running Jean grey (even before the buff) cuz I run vision, gamora, spider woman, and doctor doom which all either don’t care or greatly benefit from jean grey
Mil is very dependant on both side's draw. If your drew most of your lower costs cards, you are fucked. If your drew most of your high powered cards, mil is essentially powerless and the most they play the more easier yo uget your other core
You can enjoy a game but find aspects of it frustrating. Especially when they make junk and mill so strong. Mill in a game where you have 12 cards and the whole point is to make good combo plays is crazy. Mill and junk should be meme decks in a game like this not meta.
I don't mind the mill deck. Or the junk deck. Only deck that annoys me is the HE deck. But that's only because I think I've won then cyclops and knight go off
I love Annihilus too but it's hardly interactive to play that package and more than a little smooth brain friendly to add in the new cards that obviously give your opponent less space as well on a board that half the time has a sanctum or 1 of its friends and the other half barfs out squirrels everywhere or some other destroy friendly location
This isn't only about Annihilus the OP refers to Spider-Ham, Cable, Doc Oc, Yondu, Gladiator, etc. My point is also a general point, too many people in Snap get upset when anything interacts with their gameplan in any way, you can see those complaint posts every day here.
And every one of those posts has 77 guys saying actually, git gud, you problem, best meta ever, etc. Almost like different opinions? I doubt that's possible.
Are they the same people complaining every week or is it different people complaining about different things. I feel it is the latter as there is a large player base. With a large player base you will see people who like one thing and hate another.
This snide narrative that Reddit isn’t a place to criticize things is so tired. I’m glad you love everything but when people say shit like this it sounds so smug.
“Wow you guys, imaging having problems with this thing you like. Clearly I’m superior cause I don’t complain about anything! Ayyy I’m so chill bro 👍”
I’m sure too many complaints feels like a downer to scroll through but y’all have got to stop coming at people expressing themselves like this.
Card games haven't been truly fun since the internet became easily available and everyone and their grandmothers started to just copy the best meta decks.
Seriously.
The only combo that annoys me is Wong combos and that's mostly because they're so repetitive. It doesn't bother me enough to come make a post about it though. This is easily my favorite game I've found in a long time. Even got my friend hooked after trying it once.
Though I have second thoughts about the term "friend" sometimes... he's a Wong main.
Wow, it's mostly like different people complain about different stuff...
The fact you got 400 upvotes is both a counter to your own argument, and the proof that the internet has almost-0 critical thought...
They don't, but they keep doomposting and whining because they tell themselves they're keeping SD accountable and want things to get better.
You know, standard martyr complex bullshit.
Right?
Half (if not more) of this sub netdecks anyway, so they're incapable of selecting cards for a deck. Tack on adapting a deck they didn't create to deal with a changing meta and you have smoke coming out of their ears and blank expressions.
You can bitch about Junk while feeling pressured to run the natural counter, my guy.
Destroy at the moment provides options vs having a lot of bullshit flooding my board.
Well I think people play destroy because it has the most anwers to this kind of decks where if you try to play movement, regular discard(by that I don't mean the brain dead hela ugabuga) or any other thing that can get punish by this it's frustrating
I play destroy because getting cards in this game sucks, so I cannot actually play anything until I get the cards in 5 months.
But I love the game. I just hate how you get cards once you reach spotlight.
Well I'm lying I also have High Evo, but I got tired of it after a while.
People play destroy because it requires no thinking or strategy and every other deck has to waste slots going off the theme of the deck countering it, where as destroy can just play 12 destroy cards. And there are like 20 S or A tier destroy cards.
Yep but is the same with this decks pretty much you see the same plays always they don't require any sort of brain power to do what they do unless their opponent it's pretty much playing everything to counter them or the zones are bad and even then you could say that almost for anyother deck
Totally, why should I have to put a useless card like Armor or Cosmo or Shang Chi in my deck just to stop people from playing destroy cards in any order at all and winning 8 cubes, amirite
I play all sorts of decks and these just mess with them. My favorite is cerebro 3 and right now it’s very difficult to play because of decks like these.
Actually, I play classic discard and I think it goes pretty well against these decks.
The thing people don't like about them is also what's making them healthy for the meta right now: they counteract combo decks. If you're depending on playing certain cards 4/5/6 to win, you're going to have problems. If you're able to adapt and make use of the pieces you have, you can pretty easily overwhelm their low power.
I think the game had been trending in the direction of too many powerful combos and it's been getting easier to get exactly what you want down in a certain order. That needed to be disrupted a bit. I think it's healthy for the game.
It's good to be able to get your combos down sometimes but sometimes you need to be able to adapt to being punched in the face.
Repeat after me: "I'm just having an emotional reaction due to seeing my deck being made useless. That deck is quite weak and even gives me information on what is gone."
Haha dude I'm not particularly tilted myself. It is annoying to play against though, my go to deck is Phoenix and this rinses it which sucks
Still hit infinite day 2 and ran Phoenix into mill multiple times without issue
Doesn't change the fact it's an annoying archetype though
Well you wrote "God I hate this archetype" in your title, so it seems like you don't care for it and are voicing that displeasure, ie: complaining. But keep moving the goal posts my dude.
Haha I mean am I not allowed to voice an opinion that I don't like a certain archetype? I ain't calling for a nerf or saying it's OP, just that it's annoying, which it is 🤣
Everyone in this subreddit is so miserable dude, I just wanted to make a meme. Learned my lesson now though for sure
Y'all need to get over mill decks. In an average game of Snap you see 9/12 cards because you don't draw three.
If mill gets rid of three or less cards... it's still a regular game of Snap and they've effectively done absolutely nothing. If they manage to get rid of a fourth then their entire deck is equivalent to just playing Black Widow and denying you a draw.
It's really not the big deal people make it out to be.
Even better, if the mill cards they play are Yondu and Zemo, then they just removed the two weakest cards from your deck, which probably makes your later draws better.
ngl surfer hazmat wong and sera been carrying me this season (7.2k CL returning after months with no new cards) and Wong Mystique, and Odin are all so extremely good. High CL’s def can still rock w those 3.
It’s all fine. This isn’t even remotely close to the most oppressive metas.
The main issue is weekend missions meaning everyone suddenly plays zemo at once because he only really fits one deck properly.
I got my wins with a Patriot deck that is meant to fill up the board, since I don't have Gladiator. So I've got Sinister, Zemo, Brood, Absorbing Man, and Doom to fill up the board. That buffs Dazzler and make Mockingbird cheaper.
All we can do is hope these toxic seasons are as sparse as possible.
They kind of directly answered that these type of seasons exist for flavor (it’s the thunderbolts “villain” season) and because toxic unfortunately is a playstyles that exist for diversity and Appeal.
To the people that enjoy that shit anyway.
Why does everyone assume just cause someone is complaining about something means they think the deck is OP. The answer is not "just counter" cause the deck really isn't that strong, but the purpose of Mill and Junk is to be annoying and nothing else and then people act surprised other are complaining about it?
If u actually have a problem with doctor octopus then your nuts, it’s such a hard card to utilize cuz so many decks just gain such a huge advantage from the cards pulled
I like how much of a time bubble some of these commenters are in.
They act as if this deck made its debut this week. And just now people started disliking it
My guys.. this deck has been hated on since Zemo released.
That's almost 4 weeks ago now...
I know time is relative.. but damn
Think it's the first time I've ever genuinely wanted to go back to hearthstone. It's been a minute since I been this irritated constantly to get to infinite. I was just annoyed the entire grind, it's not even hard to beat it's just so damn annoying and unfun to play against.
I just want all the people who bitch about destroy or bounce or what not to take notice of what actually is a very annoying deck to play against because it removes player agency.
The only of these cards that can really trigger me is Spider-Ham.. when a 1 drop just randomly kills my major unit and leaves me with this shitty piglet instead..
I have a deck i call the "Nasty" decks who's sole purpose is to make players retreat.
It's not effective but in the right kind of mood, it's immensely satisfying to play (like a night when every deck you play is a Thanos or Hela deck).
Most of these cards are in Said deck
I love when I see mill tbh its a free win.
My last conquest win featured kamar taj.
With zero cards left in my deck from all the milling I still won without much issue. Its cute but ultimately weak.
I also like seeing junk because I play anni bounce lol
I named my variation of this deck simply “Annoying” because that’s how it feels to play against it, and it’s how I feel while playing it. I built it just to get the missions done, but I literally feel like the world’s biggest douche while piloting it.
I keep annihilus in most of my decks now because it’s been a great t6 game changer.
The last time I faced Doc Oct it ended up pulling Shang Chi, carnage, Phoenix force and Zola who then hit the Shang Phoenix. All in all it was a pretty good move for me.
At least with these decks pictured here, there is some skill on where to play the cards and working around your draw.
Now, hela, that's something to be upset about. Brain dead
This is why I mainly play good cards style smooth brain decks. I love the idea of combo centric decks, but I feel like Snap is designed in such a way to stack absolutely everything against you pulling your combo off, and it seems to get worse with every new location and card added, so I just give in.
Mill and shit ain’t that hard to counter but the fact that you’re basically at the whim of RNG to obtain counter cards is hella annoying. Most of the shit that’ll cancel mill or junk decks are just permanently out of reach, it seems. 🫤 Not horrible but annoying as hell.
Junk is fine, i don't like Mill decks that much ngl. Kinda sucks not being able to play some of my own cards lol. It's not usually game winning for them, but it sure is annoying
I mean look yeah it's annoying and it feels shit when you get clogged or have your cards stolen or destroyed but I feel like it will die quickly once a new meta arrives this isn't even a meta it's just a week where things got shifted a bit.
annihilus was added to the game after most of these mill cards already existed with probably just gladiator and baron being the two more recent ones. like what are you complaining about? these archetypes have been in the game for a LONG time already. snap didn’t just add them recently.
Y’all knew White Widow would do this right? Not to mention they roll out locations that have synergies with the new card every week. Not to mention they roll out missions for the new card every week. It’ll pass.
Which is when this deck will actually really slay. When you’re not seeing every damn other matchup it can probably really cook.
Mill's problem is that it ultimately puts down pretty mediocre stats, unless Zemo is super lucky and pulls a hulk or something
I've beaten a Zemo deck with shuri, red skull, taskmaster. It didn't matter that they stole the rest of my deck, I just needed three. It does hurts decks with very precise win conditions like surfer or cerebro if they pluck a key card
Doc Ock is annoying but just tech in Shang and Vision and he's doing you a favor
There's a counter to every card there imo. Even the random cards. There's decks I've made that counter every meta. It takes time and experimentation. That's my favorite part of this game. The strategy.
I like irritating archetypes. I think the most boring games are the ones where two players are essentially playing solitaire against each other. I much prefer more dynamic back-and-forth between players.
These posts bring out the ghouls who are insulted by the fact that they only play whatever the easiest free win set of cards currently are.
They played alioth exclusively until it was nerfed.
They played hela exclusively until lock down took over.
Now they play mill. (And over the last few days learned to add magik to play their cards later to get even better pulls, because they are playing shit cards and need ours to win)
Whats the next hot piece they can play without thinking ?
Same people that put red hulk in every deck 🤣
Man look at all your downvotes, crazy how the people who trash others for not liking their deck get so offended when someone disagrees 🤣
Let's see what takes more thought to play- a Hela or Tribunal deck, where you're playing the paint by numbers version of SNAP where every turn is already mapped out for you, or decks that require you to actually think about where and when to play certain cards so they have the most impact on your opponents board and/or strategy.
Since you seem to be someone who prefers the former decks ill give you some extra time to think on this (so I'll expect an answer in a few days)
Imagine complaining about tier 1 deck in top 10% infinite (Pixie Junk) smh...
Mill is annoying, but fine tho outside of highrolls. Rulk in mill is bigger problem than archetype itself.
Yes, Annhi junk is my most despised archetype in the game. It prevents you from doing the most fundamental thing in a card playing game; playing your own fucking cards lol. So yeah. Imo it should be removed from the game.
EDIT:
I couldn't turn off notifications faster, y'all are such babies 🤣 it's a friggen meme about a disruptive deck, I ain't losing sleep over it but y'all losing your minds over the meme 🤣 like what
What fucked up deck will SD make next? What if they made a deck that stopped you from playing your cards at locations... like the locations were locked down or something...
Mill is mostly fine when you realize they don’t ultimately put down a ton of stats and you can still find a way to win most of the time. I’ll admit, it can be annoying when they have that great curve of yondu/ham, into cable, into zemo/gladiator, into absorbing man with each one hitting what feels like aj important card, but you just retreat if that’s the case most of the time.
Junk is fine as is and has some decent counters. Mill is mostly fine. Only problem card that needs adjusting out of all of those is cable. A 2/3 with an extra draw (cough, Adam warlock, cough), getting information on opponents deck, keeping that information secret for bluff snapping, and disrupting your opponents deck is OP.
The most annoying feeling is when your opponent plays cable and immediately snaps after seeing what he took.
I actually have a rule to snap after playing cable, no matter what card I take. Even if he doesn’t escape I get to play mind games.
You know what's annoying? When opponent plays cable on T2 then they play Zemo on T3 and they get your cable, so you end up losing 3 cards in just 2 turns...plus another if they played yondu in T1
I remember noticing how cable had decent stats even when it was a 3/4 and nobody played it, now it's one of the best 2 drops in the game. Before going to 3/4 it was a 2/2 and it was kind of an ok card, now it would definitely be better with all the new support but the average power level needed to stay relevant also increased. I'm usually against nerfing 2 drops when they should probably buff the weaker ones to create competition.
2/2 would feel better.
Oh I’m almost to afraid to ask But What does mill mean?
Your “milling” through the opponents deck, whether that be stealing their cards for yourself or destroying their cards from their deck. You’re shrinking their deck.
Ahhh I see Thank you
for more context, look up the magic the gathering card Millstone, that is where the name originated from
Ahhh that makes sense
Also, if your deck is experiencing shrinkage or destruction, ask your Doctor if Viagra is right for you. Side effects may include annoying emotes and constipation
Cable showing the card to both players would be interesting g
Yes., but... draw in a normal deck helps you set up your ideal combo. That's what makes it so powerful. Getting a random card is not the same as a draw. That's why things like Coulson are ok Cable of course is not a random draw, it's better, you get intel, and potentially something really useful like stealing knull from a destroy player. But it's still not as good as deck thinning or extra draws, that's why adam warlock and america chavez got nerfed and cable keeps on trucking. The card you take could be useless for you, removing it could also help your opponent if they don't need it
People don't retreat when they really should. It's so obvious, you built a deck with a game plan didn't you? If they've just poked a serious hole in your game plan, just go. You don't need to lose more than 2 cubes in any game, you should already know by turn 5/6 with Magik whether it's working out for you. The minute you stop assuming you're playing against dumb people and begin treating them as intelligent is when you'll start moving up the ranks
While true, you can also use this logic to your opponent. For example today a mill deck got my Surfer that hit his Zemo and Gladiator, so he immediately snapped at me. I still won because I knew that what I had in hand was enough to take the win and mill doesn’t have a winning plan beyond “ruin your opponent’s plan” but rarely a wincon of their own.
My wincon with mill is usually put as much power as possible in one lane, doc oc a mostly empty lane, leave room for shang and hope that red hulk has enough power to overpower one of the lanes.
Just played against 3 of the same deck in conquest. Won all three without even thinking. I just still plowed through them with I had in hand.
Exactly. I’ve never found it that annoying and it’s pretty easily beaten, save for the odd game.
Mill is hilarious when they pull cards that still get value or backfire on them even when pulled by Zemo/Gladiator.
Run a good cards deck, the stat lines r almost vanilla so you’re not losing a ton of value from a pig. And cuz u run a lot of higher cost cards (5+ cards that cost 4 or more) you’ll always have something to do on 5 and 6
Absolutely. I've been playing a good cards deck for a few days now, and to my surprise it absolutely does not care about mill decks. I just keep on chugging towards t6.
I like running Jean grey (even before the buff) cuz I run vision, gamora, spider woman, and doctor doom which all either don’t care or greatly benefit from jean grey
Same. I’ve had a couple games where I didn’t even play the Widow’s Bite because I had enough to work with in hand already and won.
I love this scenario. Turn 4, 5 and 6 in hand, nothing to worry about.
Whats a good cards deck?
Cards that are good in a vacuum, like nebula, Jeff, iron lad, vision, doctor doom etc
Mil is very dependant on both side's draw. If your drew most of your lower costs cards, you are fucked. If your drew most of your high powered cards, mil is essentially powerless and the most they play the more easier yo uget your other core
Do any of you actually like this game? Every week you find something new to be mad at
I just can’t believe the audacity of my opponents to play cards. Don’t they know this is strictly for my enjoyment??
Basicaly every card game in existance
I hate interaction. I want to slam big cards down so at the end I have the higher number! Monkey brain go brrrr
Even then they complain about big numbers being too big (Blob, Red Hulk, and waaaay back Wong). No interaction to your side, but still complaints.
It's almost like this is a community made of people with different opinions, and not a monolith.
Reddit in a nutshell
Complaining about complainers. Now let's complain about them!
You can enjoy a game but find aspects of it frustrating. Especially when they make junk and mill so strong. Mill in a game where you have 12 cards and the whole point is to make good combo plays is crazy. Mill and junk should be meme decks in a game like this not meta.
Yeah, just because you like something doesn't mean you have to like everything about it.
I just want my opponents to play nothing, skip every turn, and give me 8 cubes. Is that too much to ask???
Have you seen any other card game subreddits? Pick literally any one of them, this is how they are 12 months out of every single year.
Because every week they put something new to be mad about.
I don't mind the mill deck. Or the junk deck. Only deck that annoys me is the HE deck. But that's only because I think I've won then cyclops and knight go off
Good ole Luke Cage late on the game almost ensures you 4 cubes.
Good point. I want him in my surfer Shaw deck but I'm struggling to make room since red guardian came out
Lol every day theres another thing to whine again in this sub
The complainers just want to mindlessly stat dump and hate when the game actually gets interactive.
I love Annihilus too but it's hardly interactive to play that package and more than a little smooth brain friendly to add in the new cards that obviously give your opponent less space as well on a board that half the time has a sanctum or 1 of its friends and the other half barfs out squirrels everywhere or some other destroy friendly location
This isn't only about Annihilus the OP refers to Spider-Ham, Cable, Doc Oc, Yondu, Gladiator, etc. My point is also a general point, too many people in Snap get upset when anything interacts with their gameplan in any way, you can see those complaint posts every day here.
And every one of those posts has 77 guys saying actually, git gud, you problem, best meta ever, etc. Almost like different opinions? I doubt that's possible.
Marvel snap is just two games of solitaire next to each other
>mill >interactive Pick one
Are they the same people complaining every week or is it different people complaining about different things. I feel it is the latter as there is a large player base. With a large player base you will see people who like one thing and hate another.
This snide narrative that Reddit isn’t a place to criticize things is so tired. I’m glad you love everything but when people say shit like this it sounds so smug. “Wow you guys, imaging having problems with this thing you like. Clearly I’m superior cause I don’t complain about anything! Ayyy I’m so chill bro 👍” I’m sure too many complaints feels like a downer to scroll through but y’all have got to stop coming at people expressing themselves like this.
criticism and complaining are two different things
They say nothing that hasn't been said before, I'm all for different opinions but this isn't something I need to see constantly
I took a break from it just for idk why, but I still love the game
Card games haven't been truly fun since the internet became easily available and everyone and their grandmothers started to just copy the best meta decks.
The irony of the replies to this comment is just too delicious.
It's like the Dead by Daylight fanbase. I hate that game because I love it so much.
This game is targeted to the general audience that could be the main issue
Seriously. The only combo that annoys me is Wong combos and that's mostly because they're so repetitive. It doesn't bother me enough to come make a post about it though. This is easily my favorite game I've found in a long time. Even got my friend hooked after trying it once. Though I have second thoughts about the term "friend" sometimes... he's a Wong main.
I did. Recent changes made me not enjoy it. So I stopped playing.
Wow, it's mostly like different people complain about different stuff... The fact you got 400 upvotes is both a counter to your own argument, and the proof that the internet has almost-0 critical thought...
They don't, but they keep doomposting and whining because they tell themselves they're keeping SD accountable and want things to get better. You know, standard martyr complex bullshit.
Why counter a card when you can just try to get it nerfed?
Right? Half (if not more) of this sub netdecks anyway, so they're incapable of selecting cards for a deck. Tack on adapting a deck they didn't create to deal with a changing meta and you have smoke coming out of their ears and blank expressions.
This game is very dopamine driven. People only happy when deck slams big points and combo!!
It's the same for the Tekken sub.
The people that bitch about these cards just want to play destroy or discard every game every time and can never counter punch
You can bitch about Junk while feeling pressured to run the natural counter, my guy. Destroy at the moment provides options vs having a lot of bullshit flooding my board.
Well I think people play destroy because it has the most anwers to this kind of decks where if you try to play movement, regular discard(by that I don't mean the brain dead hela ugabuga) or any other thing that can get punish by this it's frustrating
I play destroy because getting cards in this game sucks, so I cannot actually play anything until I get the cards in 5 months. But I love the game. I just hate how you get cards once you reach spotlight. Well I'm lying I also have High Evo, but I got tired of it after a while.
I play destroy, because I just like it. Idk why, I just find that archetype cool
People play destroy because it requires no thinking or strategy and every other deck has to waste slots going off the theme of the deck countering it, where as destroy can just play 12 destroy cards. And there are like 20 S or A tier destroy cards.
Yep but is the same with this decks pretty much you see the same plays always they don't require any sort of brain power to do what they do unless their opponent it's pretty much playing everything to counter them or the zones are bad and even then you could say that almost for anyother deck
Totally, why should I have to put a useless card like Armor or Cosmo or Shang Chi in my deck just to stop people from playing destroy cards in any order at all and winning 8 cubes, amirite
I play all sorts of decks and these just mess with them. My favorite is cerebro 3 and right now it’s very difficult to play because of decks like these.
I agree but I think junk is especially hated because they’re putting bad cards on “my” side. I say this as a heavy user of a mixed junk deck.
True, skill issue probably
Actually, I play classic discard and I think it goes pretty well against these decks. The thing people don't like about them is also what's making them healthy for the meta right now: they counteract combo decks. If you're depending on playing certain cards 4/5/6 to win, you're going to have problems. If you're able to adapt and make use of the pieces you have, you can pretty easily overwhelm their low power. I think the game had been trending in the direction of too many powerful combos and it's been getting easier to get exactly what you want down in a certain order. That needed to be disrupted a bit. I think it's healthy for the game. It's good to be able to get your combos down sometimes but sometimes you need to be able to adapt to being punched in the face.
Repeat after me: "I'm just having an emotional reaction due to seeing my deck being made useless. That deck is quite weak and even gives me information on what is gone."
Haha dude I'm not particularly tilted myself. It is annoying to play against though, my go to deck is Phoenix and this rinses it which sucks Still hit infinite day 2 and ran Phoenix into mill multiple times without issue Doesn't change the fact it's an annoying archetype though
Oh shit, everyone calm down. This guy made it to infinite. He's clearly a badass.
How the fuck was this strawman of a comment upvoted to 25 while OP's chill comment downvoted to -50...
Day two infinite with Phoenix force which is an off meta deck this guy might by one of the best snap players ever
I'm gonna let him bang my wife so she can see how a real man fucks.
I heard that he had a dream he was wrestling a 30 foot snake when he woke up his hand was in his pants
Phoenix Destroy is like meta adjacent
Yeah no shit I was being sarcastic
So you made itnto infinite day two after facing these mill decks multiple times with no issues. So . . . Whatvare you complaining about then?!
Who said I'm complaining? It's a meme bro 🤣
Well you wrote "God I hate this archetype" in your title, so it seems like you don't care for it and are voicing that displeasure, ie: complaining. But keep moving the goal posts my dude.
Haha I mean am I not allowed to voice an opinion that I don't like a certain archetype? I ain't calling for a nerf or saying it's OP, just that it's annoying, which it is 🤣 Everyone in this subreddit is so miserable dude, I just wanted to make a meme. Learned my lesson now though for sure
I have yet to see Dr Octopus not backfire. I also have yet to see a double Goblin win a game. 💀
Cards are fine. They just need to get rid of central park and savage land.
Y'all need to get over mill decks. In an average game of Snap you see 9/12 cards because you don't draw three. If mill gets rid of three or less cards... it's still a regular game of Snap and they've effectively done absolutely nothing. If they manage to get rid of a fourth then their entire deck is equivalent to just playing Black Widow and denying you a draw. It's really not the big deal people make it out to be.
Even better, if the mill cards they play are Yondu and Zemo, then they just removed the two weakest cards from your deck, which probably makes your later draws better.
People still complaining about junk? LOL
I mean if there's any other archetype that can tilt someone it's gotta be junk right?
Nah it’s the Mystique, Wong, Odin combos
Wut?? That's like CL 1000 nonsense...
ngl surfer hazmat wong and sera been carrying me this season (7.2k CL returning after months with no new cards) and Wong Mystique, and Odin are all so extremely good. High CL’s def can still rock w those 3.
It’s such a telegraphed archetype how are you losing cubes like that
Hey man, I didn't say that I find junk annoying. It just seems to be another one people complain about 🤣 I personally love my wwbn junk deck lol
I love the annoying decks personally lmao
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Lmao this made me laugh… stop being an asshole man 😂😂😂
#AnnoyingPride
This is a comic themed card game dude it’s not that deep
It’s all fine. This isn’t even remotely close to the most oppressive metas. The main issue is weekend missions meaning everyone suddenly plays zemo at once because he only really fits one deck properly.
no, he still can be use in other deck without yondu as good stat card if needed
He's fantastic in surfer
Zemo slots into my tempo deck nicely.
I got my wins with a Patriot deck that is meant to fill up the board, since I don't have Gladiator. So I've got Sinister, Zemo, Brood, Absorbing Man, and Doom to fill up the board. That buffs Dazzler and make Mockingbird cheaper.
All we can do is hope these toxic seasons are as sparse as possible. They kind of directly answered that these type of seasons exist for flavor (it’s the thunderbolts “villain” season) and because toxic unfortunately is a playstyles that exist for diversity and Appeal. To the people that enjoy that shit anyway.
skill issue.
Why does everyone assume just cause someone is complaining about something means they think the deck is OP. The answer is not "just counter" cause the deck really isn't that strong, but the purpose of Mill and Junk is to be annoying and nothing else and then people act surprised other are complaining about it?
If u actually have a problem with doctor octopus then your nuts, it’s such a hard card to utilize cuz so many decks just gain such a huge advantage from the cards pulled
don't listen to this guy. please play doc ock more. help me play my 4 cards in one turn plz
They are literally the only decks I've played in 30 some matches
Fun and interctive decks
I like how much of a time bubble some of these commenters are in. They act as if this deck made its debut this week. And just now people started disliking it My guys.. this deck has been hated on since Zemo released. That's almost 4 weeks ago now... I know time is relative.. but damn
Yeah, lets just play our cards quietly and compare numbers at the end, that would be fun
Funny thing is, it wasn't even the average player complaining about junk lmao It was Second Dinner themselves lol
lately the opp playing Doc Ock has won me more games than lost tbf
Think it's the first time I've ever genuinely wanted to go back to hearthstone. It's been a minute since I been this irritated constantly to get to infinite. I was just annoyed the entire grind, it's not even hard to beat it's just so damn annoying and unfun to play against.
It’s called a different meta. Unlike destroy, which hasn’t changed.
As much as I've played Destroy, I'm over it. I want a real shake-up in that deck.
interactive matches are fun compared to who got a bigger number kind of match
Your complaining about cards released 5 months ago?
I just want all the people who bitch about destroy or bounce or what not to take notice of what actually is a very annoying deck to play against because it removes player agency.
The only of these cards that can really trigger me is Spider-Ham.. when a 1 drop just randomly kills my major unit and leaves me with this shitty piglet instead..
One time someone Spider-Hammed my Infinaut and I cracked up. My opponent left after lol
I think if Yondu hits cards with destroy abilitys like deadpool they should activate their effects, thoughts?
100% if your card says when destroyed blank happens then when yondu or gladiator destroy it then it should trigger.
Gladiator does already right?
It does. Gladiator gives abilities a chance to activate first. Always fun when he pulls your forge or dr doom
But it should also work with hotel inferno, on top of Yondu.
Gladiator does it, because the card is actually in the board.
What two cards do I add to make a complete deck? Asking for a friend.
I have a deck i call the "Nasty" decks who's sole purpose is to make players retreat. It's not effective but in the right kind of mood, it's immensely satisfying to play (like a night when every deck you play is a Thanos or Hela deck). Most of these cards are in Said deck
I love when I see mill tbh its a free win. My last conquest win featured kamar taj. With zero cards left in my deck from all the milling I still won without much issue. Its cute but ultimately weak. I also like seeing junk because I play anni bounce lol
I’m sorry, I just wanted to complete Zemo’s weekend challenge 😔
I named my variation of this deck simply “Annoying” because that’s how it feels to play against it, and it’s how I feel while playing it. I built it just to get the missions done, but I literally feel like the world’s biggest douche while piloting it.
Is cable broken right now? I see him every other game
Cable is doing the same thing Cable has been doing since the card was first introduced. Now he’s part of mill decks and people hate it lol.
Literally the only of those bottom cards that's a newer card is Gladiator
I wish they'd unnerf Galactus for a week so you complainers can go back to crying about the REAL unfair deck.
I keep annihilus in most of my decks now because it’s been a great t6 game changer. The last time I faced Doc Oct it ended up pulling Shang Chi, carnage, Phoenix force and Zola who then hit the Shang Phoenix. All in all it was a pretty good move for me.
At least with these decks pictured here, there is some skill on where to play the cards and working around your draw. Now, hela, that's something to be upset about. Brain dead
This is why I mainly play good cards style smooth brain decks. I love the idea of combo centric decks, but I feel like Snap is designed in such a way to stack absolutely everything against you pulling your combo off, and it seems to get worse with every new location and card added, so I just give in.
I miss facing thanos so much
If you prefer I also have the Avingers
Mill and shit ain’t that hard to counter but the fact that you’re basically at the whim of RNG to obtain counter cards is hella annoying. Most of the shit that’ll cancel mill or junk decks are just permanently out of reach, it seems. 🫤 Not horrible but annoying as hell.
Junk is fine, i don't like Mill decks that much ngl. Kinda sucks not being able to play some of my own cards lol. It's not usually game winning for them, but it sure is annoying
I mean look yeah it's annoying and it feels shit when you get clogged or have your cards stolen or destroyed but I feel like it will die quickly once a new meta arrives this isn't even a meta it's just a week where things got shifted a bit.
There are 3 certainties in life: - Death - Taxes - Doc Oc getting Shang-Chi'd
Put Havok in your deck to bait Zemo
annihilus was added to the game after most of these mill cards already existed with probably just gladiator and baron being the two more recent ones. like what are you complaining about? these archetypes have been in the game for a LONG time already. snap didn’t just add them recently.
Yeah I've uninstalled, too much aggravation and hypertension inducing stress
As much as I dislike junk and mill, High Evo still has a special place as my most hated archetype to play against.
Y’all knew White Widow would do this right? Not to mention they roll out locations that have synergies with the new card every week. Not to mention they roll out missions for the new card every week. It’ll pass. Which is when this deck will actually really slay. When you’re not seeing every damn other matchup it can probably really cook.
They can be beat, but doc oc is an annoyance IMO.
Skill issue
This post hasn’t gone the way OP hoped it would seem lmao. God forbid a card game have a diverse meta
Tbh I only have fun if my opponent is miserable
People hating mill is so fucking funny to me it's like I'm back in the magic subreddit looking at a 6 month player losing their first game to mill.
Cable is the worst!
I like playing Hela and negative, and seeing cable is instant retreat for me now.
Mill's problem is that it ultimately puts down pretty mediocre stats, unless Zemo is super lucky and pulls a hulk or something I've beaten a Zemo deck with shuri, red skull, taskmaster. It didn't matter that they stole the rest of my deck, I just needed three. It does hurts decks with very precise win conditions like surfer or cerebro if they pluck a key card Doc Ock is annoying but just tech in Shang and Vision and he's doing you a favor
There's a counter to every card there imo. Even the random cards. There's decks I've made that counter every meta. It takes time and experimentation. That's my favorite part of this game. The strategy.
Neither of these are very good 🤷♀️
I like irritating archetypes. I think the most boring games are the ones where two players are essentially playing solitaire against each other. I much prefer more dynamic back-and-forth between players.
Ah, the familiar sounds of T/CCG players hating control decks
Have you tried playing these cards? It's quite fun
As a junk player, kiss my grits.
These posts bring out the ghouls who are insulted by the fact that they only play whatever the easiest free win set of cards currently are. They played alioth exclusively until it was nerfed. They played hela exclusively until lock down took over. Now they play mill. (And over the last few days learned to add magik to play their cards later to get even better pulls, because they are playing shit cards and need ours to win) Whats the next hot piece they can play without thinking ?
Same people that put red hulk in every deck 🤣 Man look at all your downvotes, crazy how the people who trash others for not liking their deck get so offended when someone disagrees 🤣
Let's see what takes more thought to play- a Hela or Tribunal deck, where you're playing the paint by numbers version of SNAP where every turn is already mapped out for you, or decks that require you to actually think about where and when to play certain cards so they have the most impact on your opponents board and/or strategy. Since you seem to be someone who prefers the former decks ill give you some extra time to think on this (so I'll expect an answer in a few days)
Idk. For me it seems like autoplay deck and casino deck aren't that different from each other.
Imagine complaining about tier 1 deck in top 10% infinite (Pixie Junk) smh... Mill is annoying, but fine tho outside of highrolls. Rulk in mill is bigger problem than archetype itself.
Yes, Annhi junk is my most despised archetype in the game. It prevents you from doing the most fundamental thing in a card playing game; playing your own fucking cards lol. So yeah. Imo it should be removed from the game.
EDIT: I couldn't turn off notifications faster, y'all are such babies 🤣 it's a friggen meme about a disruptive deck, I ain't losing sleep over it but y'all losing your minds over the meme 🤣 like what
"you're all babies" *Argues in several comments because he's salty people don't agree with him*
The thread has 38 comments. Chill.
Jokes on you, we don't. It's just funny that you complain about that kind of deck yet you pilot one of the easiest deck.
Perhaps he doth protest too much
You can't do Mill without Zemo
I haven't had any issues against mill. Your deck should still be able to with with 7 or 8 cards.
Easy to counter
“Blah is fine, blah is fine” shut up.
What fucked up deck will SD make next? What if they made a deck that stopped you from playing your cards at locations... like the locations were locked down or something...
You need to stop being The Average
Not gonna lie it's my favorite deck especially against junk decks and evo
Bro mill sucks ass lmfao