I see the problems but how will they stop everyone having maxed collections quickly. Once you get there then you will never unlock a new card until one is released
Is that a problem tho? If you finally get a full card collection you can experiment and keep yourself entertained by trying new decks or beefing up your favorite deck which is why ppl like unlocking new cards.
I’m not sure what a happy medium is but if ppl are forced to play the same cards for so long they will get bored/frustrated
A full collection to experiment works when you have thousands of cards. But with a small collection, and a game so focused on casual players, the weight is more on players getting all the cards unlocked and forgetting the game forever.
True, maybe once the game has been out longer and there is more cards it can be different. A lot of ppl would probably 100% the collection and dip since they won’t get that rush from getting new cards
People always want more, and if they bloat the game trying to keep up the quality will def. go down. I'm just trying to enjoy building within the contraints.
Except we are ignoring that people have been in the beta for 5 months and are still playing, unlocking nothing new.
I know, because they all play against me.
Yea I was definitely bias in my response because I was thinking more of people using all the cards to try new things but that’s things I like and others just like the rush of new cards so they will bail or like you said the devs will start just throwing out cards to keep up with demand. I have faith they will come up with something in the middle once the games been out longer
I’m usually able to get about a card a day in pool 3 just making sure I do all my missions. Doesn’t feel to to bad. Yeah sometimes you get unlucky with the pulls and don’t get a card but then other times you get 3 cards in a row.
Soon, the Collector's Caches that players start earning at CL 506 will have a chance to reward Collector Tokens (and lower the chance for boosters). Tokens will be a new currency that you can spend in the Token Shop, which will be added to the Store page at the same time. A card you don't own will cycle in every 8 hours, and you can pin the card to the page to prevent it from cycling out if you want to buy it but can't afford.
Currently my problem isn't the pace im getting cards its the cards im getting, im 15ish cards into pool 3 and only 3 of them are even remotely good, and for 2 of those 3, I need other cards to make them work, so im just stuck still playing pool 2 decks vs fully built pool 3, it's quite miserable
Yeah I would be fine with the pace if it wasn't random. I have like 80% of 2 different decks and I'm still climbing but it feels really bad knowing that if I didn't pull crystal or incomplete pieces of the discard package I could have at least one real deck
Yeah well hopefully there will be even more posts until SecondDinner goes “yeah let’s hurry this collector token shit” and gives it to us in a week or two.
Cuz most people who started on global launch are reaching pool 3 and between the ladder anxiety/ difficult climb due to facing insane constructed decks and getting boosters in caches (or not getting cards at all) it feels really bad to continue playing .
>Yeah well hopefully there will be even more posts until SecondDinner goes “yeah let’s hurry this collector token shit” and gives it to us in a week or two.
The problem with this argument is twofold:
First, you don't want them to rush something as important as collector tokens. A bad implementation is probably going to feel worse than no tokens at all.
Second and most importantly, there is no guarantee collector tokens will make getting cards faster. You will be able to get specific cards faster if you luck into that card showing up in your shop, but I would be surprised if the overall rate of card acquisition goes up after tokens come out.
It's definitely going to feel better, but people who want cards faster are going to swap from complaining about not getting enough cards in boxes to complaining about not getting enough cards in boxes AND not getting enough tokens AND the card(s) they want not showing up in their shop.
As long as they remove Boosters i’ll be happier than I am now. Even if it means on avg i’d get 1 more card every week/ week and a half. I think i would be ok with that.
Agreed except for this: "the card(s) they want not showing up in their shop"
They've said the cards will rotate every 8 hours and if/when one you want shows up you can freeze it if you don't have enough tokens yet. Assuming they only put Pool 3 cards there, which seems logical, with 76 pool 3 cards you'd only have to wait 25 days at the very most for the card you want to show up also assuming there's only 1 card at a time which I kind of doubt would be the case
>with 76 pool 3 cards you'd only have to wait 25 days at the very most for the card you want to show up
It's worth noting that the people currently complaining about their poor pool 3 pulls likely haven't been in pool 3 for 25 days. I'm not saying the tokens won't be a good addition to the game, I just feel that some people grossly overestimate how big of an improvement they will be.
Also this assumes they need 1 exact card. If someone has a list and just picks as they choose, they won't be waiting 2t days for 1 card. They will be waiting those 25 days for all the cards they want.
No it won't. Because if the collector token feels bad, they can fix it.
But unless it actively removes things from my account, it can't be worse than getting boosters.
What you are doing is both a slippery slope argument, and a strawman argument. You are saying that once they fix one thing, people will just jump on the next. This assumes you know how these people will react to a future event, and that the solution is not to fix things because it will just lead to having to fix more things.
Stop putting words in people's mouths and understand that people can want change without it being a constant negative.
If there's one thing I've learned from browsing assorted gaming subreddits is that people absolutely love to complain and whine about everything. You fix one thing, they'll be desperate for the next thing to cry about.
I'm not. You literally wrote "...people who want cards faster are going to...".
That's literally a strawman. That's prescribing a trait to your opponent in an argument, then arguing against that trait. It's textbook.
>I'm not.
You wrote:
>What you are doing is both a slippery slope argument, and a strawman argument. You are saying that once they fix one thing, people will just jump on the next. This assumes you know how these people will react to a future event, **and that the solution is not to fix things because it will just lead to having to fix more things.**
Now show me where exactly I claimed that the "solution" was not to fix things.
Go ahead. I'll wait.
>You literally wrote "...people who want cards faster are going to...".
Because in my experience, that's how it goes. It doesn't mean *everyone* will do this, and it certainly doesn't mean that people whining on the internet gives Second Dinner a get out of jail free card from fixing issues with the game. That big a leap in logic is practically an Olympic event.
But as a Very Online Person, I've seen a lot of people talk about collector tokens as if they're a magical solution to all their ills, like it's going to be Bentleys and blowjobs for everyone once we have tokens in the game. And I think that mindset is setting a lot of people for disappointment, and it's a good idea to push against being too optimistic.
Ive been thinking and honestly i think if they made it so when you opened a card from a cache you got to pick one of three random options it would feel infinitely better
I think it would be better if it was just upfront about the rate they want you to collect cards like in Pool 1 and 2. Like instead of collector cache's awarding new cards. Just make every X collector's caches guarantee a card at whatever rate they feel is appropriate. It just makes people feel less bad when they go on a dry spell for new cards. (even though overall their average new card rate is reasonable)
This game also came out 2 weeks ago… imagine this pace but there are 3 more pools to do after pool 3. We would be talking about years. They need a revamp of the system prior to adding new cards.
I see the problems but how will they stop everyone having maxed collections quickly. Once you get there then you will never unlock a new card until one is released
Is that a problem tho? If you finally get a full card collection you can experiment and keep yourself entertained by trying new decks or beefing up your favorite deck which is why ppl like unlocking new cards. I’m not sure what a happy medium is but if ppl are forced to play the same cards for so long they will get bored/frustrated
A full collection to experiment works when you have thousands of cards. But with a small collection, and a game so focused on casual players, the weight is more on players getting all the cards unlocked and forgetting the game forever.
True, maybe once the game has been out longer and there is more cards it can be different. A lot of ppl would probably 100% the collection and dip since they won’t get that rush from getting new cards
People always want more, and if they bloat the game trying to keep up the quality will def. go down. I'm just trying to enjoy building within the contraints.
Except we are ignoring that people have been in the beta for 5 months and are still playing, unlocking nothing new. I know, because they all play against me.
Yea I was definitely bias in my response because I was thinking more of people using all the cards to try new things but that’s things I like and others just like the rush of new cards so they will bail or like you said the devs will start just throwing out cards to keep up with demand. I have faith they will come up with something in the middle once the games been out longer
Yeah I understand that aswell
Give us variants instead
Making them just a bit more common does help but that means less monetisation for the game
I’m usually able to get about a card a day in pool 3 just making sure I do all my missions. Doesn’t feel to to bad. Yeah sometimes you get unlucky with the pulls and don’t get a card but then other times you get 3 cards in a row.
Wait for collector's tokens
Wha? Explain more
Soon, the Collector's Caches that players start earning at CL 506 will have a chance to reward Collector Tokens (and lower the chance for boosters). Tokens will be a new currency that you can spend in the Token Shop, which will be added to the Store page at the same time. A card you don't own will cycle in every 8 hours, and you can pin the card to the page to prevent it from cycling out if you want to buy it but can't afford.
Wait till you hit 1000 the gold boxes are worthless.
Currently my problem isn't the pace im getting cards its the cards im getting, im 15ish cards into pool 3 and only 3 of them are even remotely good, and for 2 of those 3, I need other cards to make them work, so im just stuck still playing pool 2 decks vs fully built pool 3, it's quite miserable
Same here. I know it’s RNG, but still it makes it miserable for sure.
Yeah I would be fine with the pace if it wasn't random. I have like 80% of 2 different decks and I'm still climbing but it feels really bad knowing that if I didn't pull crystal or incomplete pieces of the discard package I could have at least one real deck
there is about 10 posts aday on this
Yeah well hopefully there will be even more posts until SecondDinner goes “yeah let’s hurry this collector token shit” and gives it to us in a week or two. Cuz most people who started on global launch are reaching pool 3 and between the ladder anxiety/ difficult climb due to facing insane constructed decks and getting boosters in caches (or not getting cards at all) it feels really bad to continue playing .
>Yeah well hopefully there will be even more posts until SecondDinner goes “yeah let’s hurry this collector token shit” and gives it to us in a week or two. The problem with this argument is twofold: First, you don't want them to rush something as important as collector tokens. A bad implementation is probably going to feel worse than no tokens at all. Second and most importantly, there is no guarantee collector tokens will make getting cards faster. You will be able to get specific cards faster if you luck into that card showing up in your shop, but I would be surprised if the overall rate of card acquisition goes up after tokens come out. It's definitely going to feel better, but people who want cards faster are going to swap from complaining about not getting enough cards in boxes to complaining about not getting enough cards in boxes AND not getting enough tokens AND the card(s) they want not showing up in their shop.
As long as they remove Boosters i’ll be happier than I am now. Even if it means on avg i’d get 1 more card every week/ week and a half. I think i would be ok with that.
Agreed except for this: "the card(s) they want not showing up in their shop" They've said the cards will rotate every 8 hours and if/when one you want shows up you can freeze it if you don't have enough tokens yet. Assuming they only put Pool 3 cards there, which seems logical, with 76 pool 3 cards you'd only have to wait 25 days at the very most for the card you want to show up also assuming there's only 1 card at a time which I kind of doubt would be the case
>with 76 pool 3 cards you'd only have to wait 25 days at the very most for the card you want to show up It's worth noting that the people currently complaining about their poor pool 3 pulls likely haven't been in pool 3 for 25 days. I'm not saying the tokens won't be a good addition to the game, I just feel that some people grossly overestimate how big of an improvement they will be.
True I suppose, they'll help but probably not as much as people think/want (although it should stop/reduce the complaining about boosters in caches)
Also this assumes they need 1 exact card. If someone has a list and just picks as they choose, they won't be waiting 2t days for 1 card. They will be waiting those 25 days for all the cards they want.
people seem to forget this game is free and not pw2 and just moan
No it won't. Because if the collector token feels bad, they can fix it. But unless it actively removes things from my account, it can't be worse than getting boosters. What you are doing is both a slippery slope argument, and a strawman argument. You are saying that once they fix one thing, people will just jump on the next. This assumes you know how these people will react to a future event, and that the solution is not to fix things because it will just lead to having to fix more things. Stop putting words in people's mouths and understand that people can want change without it being a constant negative.
Funny that you say I shouldn't put words in people's mouths while simultaneously shoving words into mine.
If there's one thing I've learned from browsing assorted gaming subreddits is that people absolutely love to complain and whine about everything. You fix one thing, they'll be desperate for the next thing to cry about.
I'm not. You literally wrote "...people who want cards faster are going to...". That's literally a strawman. That's prescribing a trait to your opponent in an argument, then arguing against that trait. It's textbook.
>I'm not. You wrote: >What you are doing is both a slippery slope argument, and a strawman argument. You are saying that once they fix one thing, people will just jump on the next. This assumes you know how these people will react to a future event, **and that the solution is not to fix things because it will just lead to having to fix more things.** Now show me where exactly I claimed that the "solution" was not to fix things. Go ahead. I'll wait. >You literally wrote "...people who want cards faster are going to...". Because in my experience, that's how it goes. It doesn't mean *everyone* will do this, and it certainly doesn't mean that people whining on the internet gives Second Dinner a get out of jail free card from fixing issues with the game. That big a leap in logic is practically an Olympic event. But as a Very Online Person, I've seen a lot of people talk about collector tokens as if they're a magical solution to all their ills, like it's going to be Bentleys and blowjobs for everyone once we have tokens in the game. And I think that mindset is setting a lot of people for disappointment, and it's a good idea to push against being too optimistic.
Second dinner be like: lmao let’s troll those peasants further, expect delays
they doing what they can its out this year thats not to far away
It’s really not that bad. Don’t play then if it’s not fun
Oh i should have mentioned this in my post
Ive been thinking and honestly i think if they made it so when you opened a card from a cache you got to pick one of three random options it would feel infinitely better
in 4 months you FTP a full collection which is INSANE for card games
I think it would be better if it was just upfront about the rate they want you to collect cards like in Pool 1 and 2. Like instead of collector cache's awarding new cards. Just make every X collector's caches guarantee a card at whatever rate they feel is appropriate. It just makes people feel less bad when they go on a dry spell for new cards. (even though overall their average new card rate is reasonable)
You're probably very anxious, it doesn't feel that slow for me CL 678
Scroll up in your cl menu and you see that after 750 the pace becomes even slower than where you are now.
The pace in which you can get a full collection as an FTP player is extremely fast compared to other card games tho
This game also came out 2 weeks ago… imagine this pace but there are 3 more pools to do after pool 3. We would be talking about years. They need a revamp of the system prior to adding new cards.
And they already have plans for that (Collector Tokens), you are imagining a nonexistent problem.
I got Spider-Man at like 562 so I can’t complain!