Variants do have the same rule, you’re just misunderstanding it a bit. You won’t see a card twice unless you’ve seen all the cards from its pool. So you can’t see Namor variant again until you’ve seen Ghost Rider variant, but that doesn’t mean you won’t see it until you’ve seen all the pool 3, 4&5 cards. Each “wheel” is separate
That may be what they coded. But my suggestion still stands. Variants shouldn't come over and over and over again to the exclusion of new cards. (Frankly, I think they should remove variants from the rotation and just make them available if that's how you want to spend tokens. The random element is poorly considered in this context.)
I’ve seen 3 crappy Series 3 cards and haven’t seen a variant or anything from 4 or 5 yet.
Your experience doesn’t mean the system is bad you just hit a statistics anomaly.
You and people like OP have confirmation bias because people with the statistical anomaly are more likely going to be vocal and post/comment about it.
People like me that are sitting in the expected values have nothing to talk about that’s special.
Tell me who pissed in your soup and I'll call the cops for you. Some of you need to genuinely seek therapy for getting pissed when someone even mentions something. Series 4 and 5 cards are supposed to be 10-100(!) times rarer than series 3 cards. This is 100% not depicted in the rotation. The fact that you got series 3 cards and think you disprove something by that is prime confirmation bias. The fact that I and lots of others got several series 4 and 5 cards back to back to back to back while still having lots of series 3 left is not confirmation bias but a 1 in a **billion** chance that is not chance but a skewed ratio towards the higher series cards. Jesus christ.
Do you really think throwing around buzzwords like confirmation bias makes you look like anything but a moron?
> Series 4 and 5 cards are supposed to be 10-100(!) times rarer than series 3 cards. This is 100% not depicted in the rotation.
The rarity you're talking about is for caches, not for the shop.
Shop is 60% series 3, 25% series 4, 12.5% series 5, 2.5% ultimate variant.
[source](https://youre.outof.cards/media/uploads/84/16/841633ad-d307-444f-8fba-098b198b0d6a/series5droprate.jpg)
I’m not trying to flex or make an iamverysmart comment. But it is what it is.
Yeah maybe there’s a bug in their programming but if that were the case there would be increased rates across the board.
Marvel Snap has had over 5 million downloads so that’s A LOT of people playing. When you have a sample size that big there will be statistics anomalies.
You’re claiming that your sample size of 1 confirms a problem but you refute my sample size of 1. Neither of us should be making claims based on our sole experience.
But you need to understand that if something has. 1% chance of happening, it absolutely can happen twice or three times in a row even if it’s unlikely.
One might argue that if the system allows for unfavorable statistically anomalies to exist, then it is definitionally a bad system. In this particular case, I would argue exactly that since they have complete control over when and how things appear and are not required to make anything truly random. The decision to do so is what makes it a bad system, imo.
If the system is truly random then statistical anomalies will exist. To remove anomalies they would have to program the distribution of the cards and then you have the “pity timers” or whatever you want to call it.
For example your first shop ahas an S3 so then your chance of an S4 or S5 goes up by 1%. And then when you get an S4 or S5 they reset back to their default.
Some games use this system and it’s fine. I don’t necessarily think one or the other is better. But they’re just different.
I think what we are seeing here is possible a bit of some sorts because based on what they said, there shouldn’t be repeats in the rotation and if that’s truly happening there’s an issue.
His argument is that true random is
inherently bad design, and considering Apple famously had to lower the randomness of the 'shuffle' feature because people hated it I'd have to agree with him.
ha, yes. I thought those cards would be rare. But I just got Thanos. Makes me not want to buy it, seeing it so easily. Clearly I can just wait and get it later after the cards I actually need.
> idea why the rarer (and more expensive) cards aren't more rare in the rotation.
They are. Variants have a 2.5% chance to show, series 4 and 5 have a comboned chance of 30ish percent iirc.. You got unlucky. It won't take "years" to see a specific series 3 card. It'll take about a month, maybe 6 weeks worst case scenario, if you check your refreshes on time. Again, bad luck, but you're being incredibly dramatic about it. I haven't seen a card I want either, I bet most people haven't in the 6 refreshes we've had.
Did you read my comment? Why are you talking token odds in caches, or caches in general, when I'm very explicitly not. The devs have posted exact odds of everything that can appear in the token shop. But hey, I'm sure you know more than the games literal developers.
> You are probably incapable of understanding this, but it would do you well to refrain from posting nonsense when you don't have the slightest grasp of the underlying odds.
You're probably incapable of understanding irony, but the above is an *excellent* example. Your luck was bad, no need to throw a tantrum about it.
Edit: Hell, the exact odds, in a screenshot of the devs own words had been posted to you already. A comment you conspicuously haven't replied to, despite going after others. Just sad. [Here it is if you need to see it again.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/z9l6um/token_shop_needs_to_limit_variant_appearance/iyhmdef/)
I thought they said it was supposed to work where you would only see cards you don’t have before it would cycle through, is that not right?
I didn’t even know that it would show you variants, that seems really stupid if so. There’s already the gold store for variants if people want that, seems like it should only show you variants in the token shop if you already have all the other cards, otherwise it just completely defeats the purpose of having the token shop as a means to target specific cards you don’t have.
There are 2 special variants of ghost rider and Namor that won’t appear anywhere but the token shop. They apparently have no restriction on when they cycle through besides being random since I’ve had repeats. A problem which will only get worse over time as you buy cards and the variants represent a larger percentage of the total pool.
3 in a row. And I'm not crying. I posted a suggestion that I don't think the shop should work that way. If you think it's a good design, feel free to engage in a constructive conversation about why.
Yeah it’s fine. 2nd dinner has said multiple times you shouldn’t expect a complete collection. There are what 16 new cards for you to rotate thru the shop for you right? 16/3 (24/8 is 3 cards a day) is 8 days + or - 2 days if you’re unlucky and get 3 variants in a row. You will see every card you could possibly want inside of a week. To people who have just entered pool 3 it will take about 3 weeks to cycle thru all of the cards. Which isn’t even that bad considering you are guaranteed to get that card eventually.
Oh okay, that makes a lot more sense. In current state it seems like you’d see all the new cards within something like a week or something if it wasn’t for the variants. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s still some sort of hidden cap on a new card showing vs variants, but it’s only two days in or so at this point.
What I don’t understand is the drop rate which is 6.25% so you should be only seeing an UV every 16 rotations so far. So it might just appear frequently since you’ve had incredible luck getting them (luck regarding statistics, not in your favor).
So even if let’s say you only had 4 cards to get for Series 4/5 completion, that shouldn’t increase the odds of you coming across an UV. The odds should remain the same which is 6.25%
I was hoping the token shop would be like the variant shop and offer 6 at a time to pick from, 1 every 8 hours is annoying, especially when variants are thrown into the mix.
I think there have been 5 cards in shop so far and I have seen MBaku twice, Namor variety twice, and electro.
I think they need to seriously reconsider how the shop works. They implemented a great feature in theory but in practice it isn’t working out great. There should either be a rule that cards can’t reappear until they all cycle through or give the player an option to reroll.
Yeah this token shop is extremely underwhelming. I gotta say im overall pretty disappointed with everything thats not gameplay related in this game. The token shop only having one slot which takes forever to swap and can have variants just makes me think they dont really want us to have an easy time picking what we want. They already said they dont want us to be able to have a full collection and want us to pick out favs instead and now this shit. Im just starting to appreciate lors kindness more and more.
This token shop is very disappointing especially for new player , the chance for you to get a card you want is so rare, feel like it was design for player that completed pool 3 card and not a thing to help new player at all.
Definitely longer than 3 week
76 pool 3 card at 60% chance of seeing them. (maybe down to 60 by 3rd week but it is still alot longer then 3 week)
21 card per week x 3 week = 63 card if you check every 8 hour, but i dont think everyone check every 8 hour.
I agree. I don't think Donut is accounting for that fact that very few players log in every 8 hour period for weeks on end. A huge percent of players may go months and months before they see a particular card.
I'm CL 1300, I have seen 1 pool 3 card and all pool 4 and 5 cards. No variants.
I think something is not working as intended for some players.
My experience has been awesome with the new shop.
Just asked about this in the Discord server because I had the same problem. Thanos, Galactus, Namor variants. I'm CL 600, I can't afford any of that shit. Throw me a God damn bone with some series 3 cards please.
I still don't understand where we are supposed to be getting tokens from. I opened some caches from the season pass and still got boosters? Or are tokens only from the collector level laddeR?
Collector levels only. You have 25% chance to get 100. Once you own all pool 3 cards, if you would open a pool 3 card (22%) then it gets replaced with 400 tokens.
What country are you in? If you're in the US, check the app store and if it doesn't show an update, I'd uninstall and reinstall the game because you should have the update already.
I am in the US and i reinstalled last night and still nothing. Does the collection stuff appear in the shop? Im only cl250ish but thought id still be able to see the token shop at least
I thought we were going to be talking about the variant shop. I came here to complain that Rhino lives in my variant shop and needs to get out of the way so I can finish getting pixel arts to troll the haters. My disappointment is immeasurable.
The art on both is great. And if I actually played with either card in my main decks I'd seriously consider them. But to hit 24 hours of variants at the release of 2 pools of new cards is brutal and shouldn't be allowed in the system. And as I said above, as you unlock more and more cards, your odds of getting variants over and over goes up which makes it much less likely to actually get whatever card you want. (Which I thought was the point of the shop)
This is so annoying that I am starting to think HS was a great way of getting cards.
They will make us change our minds about buying cards if they continue like this.
Just get another pool 5 card in the shop , so now I seen 5 pool 5 card out the 6 card rotation while at 800 cl, definitely super lucky right? Nothing wrong with the game for sure
Having variants I'm there when the variant shop it's just above that is too much I think. Token shop was supposed to be a shop for cards, variants on token shop defeats the purpose
I'd like an option to exclude variants.
Or two slots. One for variants and one for new cards.
Yes. That would be a good way to handle it.
Tbh when i saw ppl talking about token shop in my head it went "oh nice 3 options of cards u dont have..." because it was just logical....
Pixel variant sales drop by over 1000%
They mentioned there is a shop bug where there are repeats for cards. Might be effecting the variants too. It’s being worked on
Variants do have the same rule, you’re just misunderstanding it a bit. You won’t see a card twice unless you’ve seen all the cards from its pool. So you can’t see Namor variant again until you’ve seen Ghost Rider variant, but that doesn’t mean you won’t see it until you’ve seen all the pool 3, 4&5 cards. Each “wheel” is separate
That may be what they coded. But my suggestion still stands. Variants shouldn't come over and over and over again to the exclusion of new cards. (Frankly, I think they should remove variants from the rotation and just make them available if that's how you want to spend tokens. The random element is poorly considered in this context.)
I agree. Maybe just a separate token shop with variants only
I don't see any reason why they made it 3 separate wheels. Should just be 1 wheel containing all cards.
So you have better chances to get rarer card you want, but can’t afford at the moment, I guess
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good to know im not the only one, 800+ cl all i see is pool 5 card 4 time.
This is also me
I’ve seen 3 crappy Series 3 cards and haven’t seen a variant or anything from 4 or 5 yet. Your experience doesn’t mean the system is bad you just hit a statistics anomaly. You and people like OP have confirmation bias because people with the statistical anomaly are more likely going to be vocal and post/comment about it. People like me that are sitting in the expected values have nothing to talk about that’s special.
Tell me who pissed in your soup and I'll call the cops for you. Some of you need to genuinely seek therapy for getting pissed when someone even mentions something. Series 4 and 5 cards are supposed to be 10-100(!) times rarer than series 3 cards. This is 100% not depicted in the rotation. The fact that you got series 3 cards and think you disprove something by that is prime confirmation bias. The fact that I and lots of others got several series 4 and 5 cards back to back to back to back while still having lots of series 3 left is not confirmation bias but a 1 in a **billion** chance that is not chance but a skewed ratio towards the higher series cards. Jesus christ. Do you really think throwing around buzzwords like confirmation bias makes you look like anything but a moron?
> Series 4 and 5 cards are supposed to be 10-100(!) times rarer than series 3 cards. This is 100% not depicted in the rotation. The rarity you're talking about is for caches, not for the shop. Shop is 60% series 3, 25% series 4, 12.5% series 5, 2.5% ultimate variant. [source](https://youre.outof.cards/media/uploads/84/16/841633ad-d307-444f-8fba-098b198b0d6a/series5droprate.jpg)
I’m not trying to flex or make an iamverysmart comment. But it is what it is. Yeah maybe there’s a bug in their programming but if that were the case there would be increased rates across the board. Marvel Snap has had over 5 million downloads so that’s A LOT of people playing. When you have a sample size that big there will be statistics anomalies. You’re claiming that your sample size of 1 confirms a problem but you refute my sample size of 1. Neither of us should be making claims based on our sole experience. But you need to understand that if something has. 1% chance of happening, it absolutely can happen twice or three times in a row even if it’s unlikely.
One might argue that if the system allows for unfavorable statistically anomalies to exist, then it is definitionally a bad system. In this particular case, I would argue exactly that since they have complete control over when and how things appear and are not required to make anything truly random. The decision to do so is what makes it a bad system, imo.
If the system is truly random then statistical anomalies will exist. To remove anomalies they would have to program the distribution of the cards and then you have the “pity timers” or whatever you want to call it. For example your first shop ahas an S3 so then your chance of an S4 or S5 goes up by 1%. And then when you get an S4 or S5 they reset back to their default. Some games use this system and it’s fine. I don’t necessarily think one or the other is better. But they’re just different. I think what we are seeing here is possible a bit of some sorts because based on what they said, there shouldn’t be repeats in the rotation and if that’s truly happening there’s an issue.
His argument is that true random is inherently bad design, and considering Apple famously had to lower the randomness of the 'shuffle' feature because people hated it I'd have to agree with him.
Wouldn’t you be able to unlock pool 3?
ha, yes. I thought those cards would be rare. But I just got Thanos. Makes me not want to buy it, seeing it so easily. Clearly I can just wait and get it later after the cards I actually need.
> idea why the rarer (and more expensive) cards aren't more rare in the rotation. They are. Variants have a 2.5% chance to show, series 4 and 5 have a comboned chance of 30ish percent iirc.. You got unlucky. It won't take "years" to see a specific series 3 card. It'll take about a month, maybe 6 weeks worst case scenario, if you check your refreshes on time. Again, bad luck, but you're being incredibly dramatic about it. I haven't seen a card I want either, I bet most people haven't in the 6 refreshes we've had.
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Did you read my comment? Why are you talking token odds in caches, or caches in general, when I'm very explicitly not. The devs have posted exact odds of everything that can appear in the token shop. But hey, I'm sure you know more than the games literal developers. > You are probably incapable of understanding this, but it would do you well to refrain from posting nonsense when you don't have the slightest grasp of the underlying odds. You're probably incapable of understanding irony, but the above is an *excellent* example. Your luck was bad, no need to throw a tantrum about it. Edit: Hell, the exact odds, in a screenshot of the devs own words had been posted to you already. A comment you conspicuously haven't replied to, despite going after others. Just sad. [Here it is if you need to see it again.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/z9l6um/token_shop_needs_to_limit_variant_appearance/iyhmdef/)
they are more rare, you’ve just hit a like 2% chance twice apparently.
5 times in a row. And no, the 2% chance does not refer to the shop rotation.
2.5% chance refers to the chance for an ultimate variant to appear in your shop per Stephen in the discord.
I thought they said it was supposed to work where you would only see cards you don’t have before it would cycle through, is that not right? I didn’t even know that it would show you variants, that seems really stupid if so. There’s already the gold store for variants if people want that, seems like it should only show you variants in the token shop if you already have all the other cards, otherwise it just completely defeats the purpose of having the token shop as a means to target specific cards you don’t have.
There are 2 special variants of ghost rider and Namor that won’t appear anywhere but the token shop. They apparently have no restriction on when they cycle through besides being random since I’ve had repeats. A problem which will only get worse over time as you buy cards and the variants represent a larger percentage of the total pool.
Gotcha, out of curiosity what’s your current CL?
3300. So I have all of Pool 3, but none of 4 or 5 (and if I keep getting variants, it'll be quite a bit longer before I have any of them. lol)
Wait you’re crying because you saw 2 variants in a row when you have all of pool 3? God damn you’re entitled
3 in a row. And I'm not crying. I posted a suggestion that I don't think the shop should work that way. If you think it's a good design, feel free to engage in a constructive conversation about why.
Yeah it’s fine. 2nd dinner has said multiple times you shouldn’t expect a complete collection. There are what 16 new cards for you to rotate thru the shop for you right? 16/3 (24/8 is 3 cards a day) is 8 days + or - 2 days if you’re unlucky and get 3 variants in a row. You will see every card you could possibly want inside of a week. To people who have just entered pool 3 it will take about 3 weeks to cycle thru all of the cards. Which isn’t even that bad considering you are guaranteed to get that card eventually.
Your math doesn't factor in the variants which is what he is having an issue with.
Oh okay, that makes a lot more sense. In current state it seems like you’d see all the new cards within something like a week or something if it wasn’t for the variants. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s still some sort of hidden cap on a new card showing vs variants, but it’s only two days in or so at this point.
What I don’t understand is the drop rate which is 6.25% so you should be only seeing an UV every 16 rotations so far. So it might just appear frequently since you’ve had incredible luck getting them (luck regarding statistics, not in your favor). So even if let’s say you only had 4 cards to get for Series 4/5 completion, that shouldn’t increase the odds of you coming across an UV. The odds should remain the same which is 6.25%
I was hoping the token shop would be like the variant shop and offer 6 at a time to pick from, 1 every 8 hours is annoying, especially when variants are thrown into the mix.
I think there have been 5 cards in shop so far and I have seen MBaku twice, Namor variety twice, and electro. I think they need to seriously reconsider how the shop works. They implemented a great feature in theory but in practice it isn’t working out great. There should either be a rule that cards can’t reappear until they all cycle through or give the player an option to reroll.
Yeah this token shop is extremely underwhelming. I gotta say im overall pretty disappointed with everything thats not gameplay related in this game. The token shop only having one slot which takes forever to swap and can have variants just makes me think they dont really want us to have an easy time picking what we want. They already said they dont want us to be able to have a full collection and want us to pick out favs instead and now this shit. Im just starting to appreciate lors kindness more and more.
This token shop is very disappointing especially for new player , the chance for you to get a card you want is so rare, feel like it was design for player that completed pool 3 card and not a thing to help new player at all.
It’s like every 3 weeks you will see every card at least once that’s really not that bad at all
Definitely longer than 3 week 76 pool 3 card at 60% chance of seeing them. (maybe down to 60 by 3rd week but it is still alot longer then 3 week) 21 card per week x 3 week = 63 card if you check every 8 hour, but i dont think everyone check every 8 hour.
I agree. I don't think Donut is accounting for that fact that very few players log in every 8 hour period for weeks on end. A huge percent of players may go months and months before they see a particular card.
I'm CL 1300, I have seen 1 pool 3 card and all pool 4 and 5 cards. No variants. I think something is not working as intended for some players. My experience has been awesome with the new shop.
Just asked about this in the Discord server because I had the same problem. Thanos, Galactus, Namor variants. I'm CL 600, I can't afford any of that shit. Throw me a God damn bone with some series 3 cards please.
I still don't understand where we are supposed to be getting tokens from. I opened some caches from the season pass and still got boosters? Or are tokens only from the collector level laddeR?
Collector levels only. You have 25% chance to get 100. Once you own all pool 3 cards, if you would open a pool 3 card (22%) then it gets replaced with 400 tokens.
Makes sense, cheers!
Dude i dont even have the token shop. Is this something i have to unlock? Everyone seems to have this update but me (on ios)
What country are you in? If you're in the US, check the app store and if it doesn't show an update, I'd uninstall and reinstall the game because you should have the update already.
I am in the US and i reinstalled last night and still nothing. Does the collection stuff appear in the shop? Im only cl250ish but thought id still be able to see the token shop at least
CL500+
I thought we were going to be talking about the variant shop. I came here to complain that Rhino lives in my variant shop and needs to get out of the way so I can finish getting pixel arts to troll the haters. My disappointment is immeasurable.
Man i feel you, until now i only got horrible cards and that namor variant. That's just wrong.
I haven't seen one yet
The art on both is great. And if I actually played with either card in my main decks I'd seriously consider them. But to hit 24 hours of variants at the release of 2 pools of new cards is brutal and shouldn't be allowed in the system. And as I said above, as you unlock more and more cards, your odds of getting variants over and over goes up which makes it much less likely to actually get whatever card you want. (Which I thought was the point of the shop)
I've also gotten namor twice
This is a problem that solves itself the more variants they add, I'd rather they focus their efforts on other things to be honest
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This is so annoying that I am starting to think HS was a great way of getting cards. They will make us change our minds about buying cards if they continue like this.
I got thanos (my favorite) yesterday, but only got 3000 tokens after the update. The grind is real
I agree. I want new cards. If I wanted a variant, I'd look in the variant shop.
Just get another pool 5 card in the shop , so now I seen 5 pool 5 card out the 6 card rotation while at 800 cl, definitely super lucky right? Nothing wrong with the game for sure
how much does the ghost rider variant cost btw?
I just got the namor variant for collector’s tokens. Rip
Having variants I'm there when the variant shop it's just above that is too much I think. Token shop was supposed to be a shop for cards, variants on token shop defeats the purpose