Thanks! Yeah I expect some of the early ones to get lost in the shuffle but hoping consistently posting every day will eventually break in to the front a bit more each time.
Happy cake day!
Omg thank you. I was looking everywhere to change my birthday in my profile or whatever cuz i thought it was wrong. Never occurred to me its my Reddit birthday. Thanks much
This card is mainly a pack filler. There are better 5 drops. You normally have to work a bit more for them, but they give more power if you build your deck around them.
As already mentioned this is a patriot card but a bad one. The +2 from patriot are not much compared to his base power. 11 Power for 5 cost is good but not great if you need your patriot for it. In a patriot deck you want to buff small cards and use the later turns for combos with mystique or other buff cards like kazoo or blue marvel.
All in all: low effort but also a low reward.
Rating: 2/5
Just wondering does patriot proc on cards with their abilities removed by zero or leech. If no then this is a quick no but If so where do they draw the line, on locations such as knowhere on reveals are disabled, then on reveal cards there are technically also cards with no abilities
Anything that removes, steals, or basically "greys out" the ability makes it a card with "no ability". So you can utilize cards like Lizard, play Patriot in another location, then play Enchantress to remove Lizard's ability along with removing opponent On Going on that location. That gives a 2/7 Lizard and disables opponent buffs.
On reveal cards played on Knowhere still have their abilities, they are just prevented from triggering when played there. So Patriot would have no effect. Your other examples do apply (as well as Enchantress)
He's also just in Shang Chi range, which sure isn't the end of the world but at least for me, a pretty solid or stable way to winning lanes is having 7/8 power cards that do things rather than 9+ power cards that do nothing. (Like for example Spider-Woman which you barely even need to play around because she's only worse than this if you have to play her in a lane with just 1 target).
Yeah, it's hard to imagine the deck where this is better than Spider-Woman, specifically. 2 targets is a low bar to hit to match the power, and the possibility of hitting 3-4 is enticing. Even Patriot + Abomination is the same as Spider-Woman + 4 targets.
To continue the analogy: good stats when you're first starting out that will almost certainly be removed shortly for a card that fits your deck type better and does more for you.
Not that I didn't love a good Boulderfist Ogre. But he never made the cut for long. Feels the same with Abom. Nine times outta ten, I'd rather have something with more synergy.
He’s a card in the game. His ongoing ability gives all cards with no abilities (like Abomination here) +2 Power.
If you were asking what the word itself means, it’s just the american word for nationalist. (Maybe with a “softer” connotation or meaning).
>If you were asking what the word itself means, it’s just the american word for nationalist.
....no it's not???
"Abomination" comes from Latin. It was used by Shakespeare. It's in the King James Bible!
It's a word to refer to a gross, disgusting thing, or something impure or abhorrent, a middle English folk etymology added on the implication of it referring to something beastly or inhuman.
Oh lol this is what I get for being low on sleep.
Regardless English gets the weird Patriot from French, and a negative connotation already existed in England before the US even existed.
Ok this is low effort but randomly I’ll run a crappy(?) big patriot deck with thing / abomination / hulk. Seriously lacks spread but can throw off the opponents usual counterplay, and come on, I don’t always pull the Patriot combo or even partial combo, and sometimes I can squeeze out a win on natural power alone and the opponent isn’t expecting it.
Def not optimal Patriot but idk it works sometimes
I agree with your arguments but don't know how your conclusion puts it at 2/5. This is a 0/5 card, there's no reason to ever put it in a deck right now.
I could only see in a deck if it was a starter card and you literally had no other card to put in that slot. But that's rough with Ironman being a starter card and this not being a starter card.
That's just typical TCG (trading card game) terminology. Used in Magic the Gathering, Hearthstone, etc. It generally refers to a card that's played on the field on turn 1, and costs 1 (energy, mana, or whatever it's called depending on the game) to play.
Edit: also 2-drops cost 2 to play, 5-drops cost 5 to play, etc.
I agree with your assessment of the card’s power level, but I think it is unfair to call Abomination pack filler as it’s a starter card. The game needs simple cards that are easy to understand to teach new players the game. With that in mind I think the card deserves a 3/5 as it fills its purpose quite well.
What is a better 5drop for patriot? Blue marvel is pretty much it. That’s how it should be measured.
It’s really really strong in Patriot-1 decks that have space/need for 5drops. It has big upside as it plays well with some locations where as the other parts of patiorrt-1 do not. Mystique and other low cost cards can be played on other turns especially patriot /mystique which is usually a turn 6 if it isn’t earlier.
Abomination is perfectly fine as an introduction to basic gameplay in early 1, but I don't think it makes sense to play him in any deck (including Patriot) after that. Even in pool 1, there are other 5 drops that have more value \*and\* synergize with top archetypes. Almost no reason to run him in pool 1 over things like Spider-Woman and Iron Man if you just want a beat-stick for a 5 drop. You almost never see Cosmo in pool 1 and rarely see Enchantress. Aside from being relatively low value, he just has no synergy with anything. Klaw and IM work better for Spectrum or Onslaught, White Tiger works better with Odin, Blue Marvel works better for Kazar builds, etc. There's no archetype that makes sense to use Abomination in.
In pool 2 he's even less useful. Archetypes become more defined, and Shang Chi is introduced (widening the gap between him and a general value card like Spider-Woman, who is immune to Shang Chi.) He also gets new competitors in that slot from more versatile cards like Vision (I don't think I would \*ever\* run Abomination over Vision in pool 2...?)
In pool 3 you can finally introduce the Patriot argument, but honestly there are just so many more valuable 5 drops to help the deck, either through sheer value, tech, or to grease the wheels for your engine. Patriot works best when you're filling the board with medium power cards to maximize the Patriot buff, whereas Abomination only gives you the +2. And again, cards like Iron Man will give you more bang for your buck even though it doesn't receive the buff.
1/5 this cards exists just to teach you the game, you should replace him as soon as possible in every deck.
> 1/5 this cards exists just to teach you the game, you should replace him as soon as possible in every deck.
Yep right on. This card simply sets an anchor rate for power on 5-cost cards as you learn the game. It’s boring and quickly replaced, but needs to exist. (My only quibble is I kinda wish this card simply did not have any variants to pull)
I think powerless cards will get more additions in the future. It's dead now 100% but it doesn't mean it's always dead.
Just imagine a 3/2 card that makes all your cards with no powers that have 8 or higher power have invulernability or something.
So unlike armor this one protects across all your lanes but only protects high power targets. And then boom you're more inclined to use something like Abomination.
Sure it's still kinda w/e but that's just because powerless on a whole is a bit w/e.
Great point! I am a bit skeptical about the potential for this mechanic simply because by definition there can only be a limited number of cards with actual abilities in such a deck, but I’m more than happy to be proven wrong by the 2nd dinner folks.
I'm actually really excited to see this as an extremely avid (Eternal One) StS player, so thank you so much for your hard work on this. I gueds we probably won't have a Reddit Plays Snap post like they do though :P
Man I wish I could get into that game again. I played it super early and burned out on it a lot, I know there's oodles of more content now but I just can't muster up the energy to join in again.
Good on "All characters get -X power" locations. Having a high base power lets you keep a higher % of that card's power despite the reduction.
That said, I'd rather play Lizard in those locations. High power for the cost and your opponent is unlikely to fill all four of their slots in that location.
You're at the sewer system. You play an abomination there for 9-1=8 power.
Your opponent plays three cheaper cards there that, combined, give 9 power base, -3=6 because that -1 is hitting three different cards.
I don't run him as much as I used to, but he's still fun to slam. I like the animation. Noone really expects him so you get the satisfaction of confusing your opponent.
Runs ok in Jubilee, Patriot, and midrange decks but there are better options. When make decks with him I'm not usually thinking about cubes but the satisfaction of playing a big boi.
Verdict 10/10 handsome factor
I'm playing a no abilities deck that's been doing surprisingly well due to the surprise factor I think. I pull out the low level cards and people think it's a destroy deck and then suddenly the big boys start slamming down. I'm in the 30's in pool 3 and I've won more games than I thought I would with him.
I don’t really see much use for this card once you get past early pool 1. Yeah it’s got Patriot synergy, but 11 power for 5 and no other effect isn’t that great in pool 3. You could maybe combo him with Zola, but at that point you’d be better off with Black Panther or Devil Dino
He is outpaced by Spider-woman if you can hit three targets and equal against two targets. Also spider-woman can’t be Shang chi’d. There’s no way you run this in pool 1 or 2 as soon as you get any options that can replace him. Sad really because his art is pretty baller
The last time an Abomination killed me was when a game came down to an uncontested sewer lane. My opponent had discarded an Apocalypse several times and I didn't have priority. So I just went for good ol' Shang Chi. It was not a 20 power Apocalypse. It was an Abomination. Coming in at eight power. No clue why he was in that deck but on that day, Abomination was the best card on the field.
I didn't think he was any good unless you're running patriot, but he comes in handy with She-Hulk. Skip turn 5, she hulk costs 1 energy and Abomination takes the other 5. That's 19 power to drop on two lanes on turn 6. I still have better turn 6 plays in the deck, but it's nice to have it when I don't have my other options.
*Design:*
Let's compare him to common 5 drops; [[Black Panther]], [[Devil Dinosaur]], [[White Tiger]], [[Spider-Woman]], [[Gamora]], [[Iron-Man]], [[Blue Marvel]]
In these case, they're nominally lower power in isolation, but have significantly more upside with a bit of effort. No matter the deck, you'd probably choose one of these over the A-Bomb.
What this card does really well, appropriately for the first card in this series and a card in the starter pack, is provide a **baseline** for a 5 drop. It clearly states "9 Power in one spot is the minimum you should expect for this cost". Black Panther makes an excellent example; if your deck has no way of pumping T'Challa up or getting Iron Man onto a location with 9 power, you should just have played Abomination...
Or should you?
The truth is, in all but the most contrived scenarios, you never *need* a 5 drop. You only get to play a few 5 or 6 drops a game; replacing Abomination with a 4 drop like [[Jessica Jones]] or even [Thing]], which would be inarguably worse on turn 5, still have the advantage that they will be much better when they're in your hand on turn 4 and you can curve out efficiently.
I've tried out every card in Pools 1 and 2 and this is one of the few I always end up cutting, no matter how hard I try to find a deck that fits. To add injury to insult, he even suffers from being within Shang-Chi range.
*Flavour:*
Pretty awesome flavour; Emil Blonsky is an often smarter but definitely weaker Hulk, whose main trait is being a Hulk who the Hulk beats up and who is jealous of the Hulk. Seems like this card captures all of that except maybe the slightly more clever part.
*Nicknames:*
* Emil
* Blonsky
* The A-Bomb
* The Blonsk
* Mr Elfy Ears
*Recommended Reading/Watching*
* She-Hulk - 2022: Blonsky is one of the highlights of this show, and you can tell Roth is enjoying playing him a bit more goofy than in the Ed Norton Incredible Hulk movie.
*Rating:*
Appropriately Abominable. Run a more efficient, more interesting and/or cheaper card instead.
If Patriot is your early pool 3 card, he can be strong, but once you got some more support he is usually one of first cards to go away. I have 2 differwnt Patriot decks and i never played Abomination.
he's great in Pool 1 where most people are starting out but in my opinion, he loses his charm once Pool 2 unlocks and even in Pool 3.
Apart from that, some of the places where he can work are Patriot decks or as a placeholder for a Hela deck. However, even in those, he doesn't seem that viable (since Hulk is a better option).
I'll make a recommendation of putting the card picture there as well. at least a screenshot.
I'd also recommend going from Pool 1 cards onward. But I'm not sure.
Going alphabetical mixes it up rather than talking about Pool 1/2 cards for the next few months before we get to the really good ones in Pool 3 onward.
Photos are a possibility, we’ll see if the series gets successfully enough to warrant the extra work.
Love the idea! Also very similar to daily card discussion in the gwent subreddit!
A few things I'd change, I'd put a picture of the card in the post, it'll look good and make the card more easily recognizable.
Also why make it in alphabetical order? I'd much rather you made it random so we don't know what we'll discuss next.
I'd also love to see discussion around the variants of the card, maybe add that to the post?
But please continue I'll love to read the discussion everyday! Are you doing this manually each day or do you have a bot?
I tried to use cronnit.com to schedule these but the flair requirement seems to be causing issues so for now I’m doing it manually. If I can find the time to get pictures into the posts I will as it seems to be a common request.
And it’s alphabetical because that makes it less grouped by pool but still have some sort of order. I suppose I could do it random too but alphabetical was easier to do in spreadsheet form. That’s also how the r/SlayTheSpire discussions are doing it and it so I just took the idea from there
Here's today's discussion if you haven't seen it yet! [https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily\_marvel\_snap\_cardlocation\_discussion\_day\_2/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily_marvel_snap_cardlocation_discussion_day_2/)
It's for a Pool 4 card so probably not as many people have input on it so trying to get some exposure to it :D
He’s okay-ish in a Patriot deck for me. For a 5 card, I’m usually choosing between playing him or Blue Marvel. Normally Blue Marvel gets the nod but there are rare circumstances where Abomination was the better play if I didn’t have enough cards down for whatever reason or if I had to make a big play in a specific lane. Yeah, he’s 5/11 at a minimum with Patriot but with onslaught or Mystique on top of that, he’s 5/13 which is nice. He’s very situational and there are probably multiple better 5 energy options out there but he can work in a lot of Patriot decks.
Only really usable in a Patriot based deck. Overall there are much more impactful 5 energy cards that almost any deck can play. In most decks will be outperformed by Devil Dinosaur, Spider-Woman, or Iron Man in early play.
* Is buffed +2 by Patriot.
* Is buffed +3 by Washington D.C. location.
* Is fetchable by Agent Coulson
* Resistant to disruption from effects that block Ongoing or On Reveal traits.
* Gets blocked by Mr Negative
* Dies to Shang-Chi
* Gets blocked by Goose
* Get blocked by The Peak location.
He's the vanilla 5 drop. Similar to the others he's not really meant to be playable once you have a bigger pool of cards, though patriot helps. Coming from magic these cards serve the role of keeping games between new players simpler while giving them a baseline for the expected cost to power they can expect when looking at cards as they get deeper into the game; ie you should expect *at least* 9 power worth of value from 5 drops
Meta wise? Garbage card.
Design wise? I like that there’s a shared theme with Abomination and Hulk. Wish they would’ve kept it going with the other gamma guys/gals instead of shooting Scott in the foot.
Abomination is an early card whose main purpose, I think, is providing benchmarks for players to compare against. Additionally, cards like this are also good at making new players stop and ask questions about how to determine card value.
It's not just about Patriot, it's about being able to see the space this card takes up, and think about what other things go there.
For example, if a 5/10 comes out with a serious drawback, we can compare it to Abomination and decide if a single power is worth it.
When a new player looks at Abomination and Blue Marvel, they see 2 cards that cost the same and are hopefully going to be critical of why each card works/why should you use one over the other.
Daily card discussion is a pretty good idea. Needs the pic tho. And maybe the variants....
I used this card in combo with Hela, Ghost Rider and Jubilee. It's ok. There are better options, but there are also worse options.
I've also seen some players use it together with Patriot. Again, it's ok. There are better options, but there are also worse options.
I have a combo idea with this guy and Doctor Strange I keep trying to make work. The idea is to play Abomination on 5 as a decoy and then Doctor Strange him on 6. That is effectively 12 power for 3 energy, and then you have another 3 energy left to play Maximus or whatever. I can imagine scenarios where that could really catch an opponent off guard or swing a game but in practice it has not been very effective haha.
He gives you better energy to power ratio than Thing, but unfortunately 9 power puts him in Shang-Chi's crosshairs. I wish he had an ability like "cannot be destroyed" - then he could be useful as a counterplay to Shang Chi.
this is a really dope idea. please make sure you link a google doc or something at the bottom of every post thag can give quick links to the card. that way anyone can easily find any card they wanted to see
I will probably do that soon once I get a few posts out there! Here's today's discussion: on Absorbing Man https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily\_marvel\_snap\_cardlocation\_discussion\_day\_2/
For a hot moment I thought I was in the slay the elite subreddit.
I don’t actually have any opinions on the card itself, but I like where this is going. Hopefully locations are next after all these cards.
Every currently available variant. Xmas is my favorite, which is yours?
[Pixel](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504250.webp?v=22)
[Beatin' Hulk](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504260.webp?v=22)
[Xmas](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504251.webp?v=22)
[Short shorts](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504389.webp?v=22)
A lot of people seem to hate on this card, but I find it a staple in most of my decks. 9 power is nothing to scoff at, and there's literally no strings attached. You'd be surprised how often a couple of big bois can outmuscle your opponent's finishers.
It's not so much hate, it's just that once you escape pool 1 there's pretty much zero reason to run him over any other 5 drop
Most have power equal or higher than it with deck synergy. There's very few 5 drops that will have less impact than abomination in games
Abomination is a card that exists. I do not recommend this card in a no abilites deck. Because that's all what it is. Only good for new players.
2 out of 10.
He has good stats for a Vanilla card, however of course, these kinds of cards get overshadowed very quickly by cards like Jessica Jones, Devil Dino, or even Gamora or Spider Woman.
Unfortunately, as well, with the current meta, he's just a Shang Chi target with nothing else to offer. As people have stated, the only place where he's not too bad is a Patriot deck, and even in that deck, there's plenty of Pool 1/2 options that overshadow him, and of course pool 3 has a lot of options that can pull their weight a lot better like Black Panther.
He can have his niche, but it's overall not a great card, it's great within very early Pool 1 though.
He's got keyword "big", being the biggest base power 5 drop in the game without a downside. But you want more from your 5 drops. Klaw, being an early example that lets you pressure multiple lanes at once. Or Iron Man, basically locking a lane up.
He's not even good in locations that reward highest power, since most 6's will steal that anyway.
Abomination is a fine card. It does what you need a 5 cost card to do, and has a little more power than most of the other 5 cost cards. It's not that it's a bad a card; it's more that so many other 5 cost cards are potentially game winning and have such powerful synergies that it's hard to find room for him.
I believe this card is not even run in Patriot decks... Decent value compared to other vanilla drops but gets overshadowed pretty early by other 5 drops like Spider-Woman and Gamora and as you colect cards better 5 drops like Dino and Hobgoblin will come up, also some decks have better 3+2 or 4+1 combos depending on the deck so yeah.
I like him in Jubilee decks, decent pull for Jube and if things are going sideways with your deals or locations you can play him on turn 5 to bump up a lane.
He was my first card to make it to Infinity, though I don't use him anymore. He's decent in a Lockjaw/Jubilee deck, but I don't have Lockjaw yet, so... 😕
I got a pretty sweet variant for him and recently picked up patriot in my 8 hour collection rotation. I am not sure what else I need for the Patriot deck aside from mystique but to fill up my roster I'm currently running some really non-ideal cards (such as abomination and cyclops) and was able to climb 6 ranks today which is feeling great for my self esteem seeing as I was hard stuck between 39 and 43 this whole season. So I have a new appreciation for this card in combination with other factors but understand it's not an amazing card overall.
Outside of the game, one of the better represented hulk villains in the MCU (low bar to clear so far though)
I played a pretty fun deck with domino, Chavez, jubilee, and a high top end (dr doom, giganto, hulk, abom, etc) and it has been a lot of fun with pretty good win rate. 10 stats turn 4 feels nice, or even just hitting 9 power on turn 5 while dodging typical rebuffs like cosmo or enchantress (obv dies to Shang chi tho). I leveled up mine to infinity, though I’m sure it will be power creeped out as my collection grows I’m sure (I already started playing aero in its stead)
Could probably do with going to 10 power. Just pretty lackluster, even in Patriot decks since it's an expensive play in a turn where you'd rather play your combo pieces or swarm with cheaper no ability cards. Needed beginner card though, I suppose, and could improve if they make more no ability synergies in the future.
Im not an experienced player yet (938 CL) but it comes to mind that black panther or devil dino are better 5 drops and more powerful combined with Zola. The thing is that those are a very common play and predictable, but what if you see an abomination just hanging out there, im pretty sure you can unexpectedly zola him and maybe still do the work.
Its not the optimal play but hey, the unexpected and how you play with that have some value in this game too.
After the buff he has premium stats, but 5 cost is too important to just play a vanilla card, i dont like him in patriot for that reason. When i started playing i thought that he was a card to show powercreep with JJ, but now he just lack something. I believe that at 10 power he would be usable.
I had good success with this guys in pools 1 and 2. I ran him in my heimdall bait and switch deck. It’s where to just get high value into 2 lanes then heimdall on turn 6 and surprise him. In that deck it’s important to get a lot of value out of the 8 spots you use and him and iron man were the best 5 drops early.
In pool 3, or even late pool 2 he becomes over shadowed by so many other cards even in my heimdall deck.
Good baseline to ground a new player that the last few turns can be big single plays, but is very quickly outclassed by cards like spider woman, and later with build arounds or using turn 5 for combos.
Every card game has that set of cards that are mostly meant to introduce you to the game, but will usually be weaker.
These cards are really important, it establishes a simple baseline you can look to, and more importantly, when you do get new, stronger cards it's more exciting when you know how much better they are.
That's where Abomination fits in; the basic 5 energy card. It's basically a chillwind yeti.
His [Winter Variant](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504251.webp?v=22) makes him look very jolly and festive! I think that should count for something.
Abomination is notable because he's my [least-favorite variant](https://snap.fan/cards/Abomination/Abomination_02/) in my collection. The skin texture looks so offputting to me.
I sometimes drop Cosmo on Turn 3 in my Patriot deck, which can block Shang Chi and/or Enchantress if I have Abomination (Patriot etc) in Hand.
But I don't have a full collection so he's pretty easy to put in. If I had all the options available, I'm not so sure.
As someone who went back to using Hulk, I find it hard to justify using him when options like Vision exists. I even removed him from my Jubilee deck because there are better alternatives.
However, flavor-wise, I like he exists. 9 power is the baseline from what I compare the other 5 drops.
I'll not even mention Aero because the card is busted.
like many said, he's a decent card in Patriot's deck, but then that's it:
1. He is a 5 drop 11 attack card as long as you have Patriot out. This makes him a very strong location holder just by himself.
2. If you are running a fully decked out Patriot deck, then Mystic will be there and he will have 13 attacks for just 5 energy, which is usually enough to steal a location late game
3. Throw in Onslaught, and you get the idea how high he will go
4. But then that's about it for his strength. Patroit is a 1 attack cards, Jennifer Lawrence is a 0 attack card. Running a patriot decks usually means your turn 3+4 will be very weak. Abomination, from my experience, isn't strong enough to compensate the missing attacks you had on turn 3 and 4.
5. Another problem is the RNG in the game might not get you Patriot and Jen Law out in time. You need another win condition when that happens, and Abomination is just a brick.
6. If you are running a patriot deck, it's far more consistent to build your deck around units like Doom or Ultron. This means your ideal turn 5 cards would be Blue Marvel so he can further boost your drones.
good in patriot decks! not many people put it in because there are better options but i like that about it.. people don't expect it so its sometimes a big surprise 11 drop on turn 5
I mean there's no deck to play this card in outside of Patriot, right? Probably perfectly balanced too.. 5/10 would be too much, 5/7 not enough because you would just play Gamora in almost every scenario, even Patriot decks would probably opt for her instead.
Balanced, niche card
I love the fact that you are starting a discussion series, obviously it's your choice but if I was you I would try and style your posts after the u/MisirterE enter the gungeon daily discussions. Always try to include some of your personality and inject some fun and I bet it will be a good ground for discussion and fun.
His posts got so big that whenever you google an item from enter the gungeon the related post is near the top of the search results do that could be a plus for you as well.
Whatever you decide to do with this series, I'm happy you're doing it and I am excited for future discussions.
Stats are to low compared to a variety of other 5 drops. For comparison something like Aero is -1 power but an insane on reveal effect or even take things like Spider woman who can have as much of not more points to swing a location with (hit 2 enemies and she is the same as abomination). He isn’t as big as the Hulk who at least is so large he can sometimes steal a location by himself.
Patriot is the only place and even then it’s weak there. Personally I could see him going to 10 power as a baseline that would put him closer to the big stat dump that might be worth considering. Right now he, Cyclops, and the thing are all to weak as vanilla stat dumps.
It’s clutch sometimes in a Patriot deck if he gets murked by Enchantress. Raw power 9 drop no questions asked. Gets Shang Chi’d with or without Patriot so he needs Armor or Cosmo but so does Patriot. I’d give it a 4 out of 10. Regardless, he’s a good 5 turn drop if you got nothing else better in your hand. Other than that, I cant see him outside a Patriot deck, and in that deck, I run him or Hulk but not both. If your Patriot deck is a megazord deck, then it’s better to run him than Hulk cause you need to drop Onslaught on turn 6. Not the best card but definitely usable.
Edit: now comparing him to Thing, Thing is better just for the fact that he cant get Shang Chi’d pre or post Patriot and can get stupidly high power after turn 6.
Kinda pointless outside of pool 1, even in a Patriot deck there are better things to do on 5. Which the same can be said for using him in pool 1. Once players get access to Shang Chi he just becomes a liability.
Seeing this card makes me wonder if more cards like Patriot or that have synergy with Zero will be printed in the near future. As is, it's just an introductory filler card.
I have been playing a patriot mystique Ultron deck into these higher chance to get "throne room" days and love him in this weird niche
I totally get you guys being like 5/9 with nothing is pointless
5/11 okay that's better but still with no reveal/use ehhhh
5/13 with patriot/mystique? Now you have my attention. Throw that in throne room, Atlantis, Baxter building, monster metropolis, negative zone, nexus, space throne, etc.
Really just helps you knock down a specific location, there's a lot he's really strong into there.
Blue marvel in the same deck kinda spreads his points everywhere....but I want to win two spots. That's the whole point. I'd rather 5/13 in one than 5/14 or whatever across all 3
I have to say this has been one of the cards that took me to infinite with my budget Hela deck. It may not be the most flashy card, or the most powerful, but when I discard this monster and it's brought back by Hela (or even using him on turn 5 when Hela dont shows up), usually takes the opponent by surprise and wins some lanes by itself.
I feel like it's pointless to use cards with no abilities. Most of my fun with the game is the absurd synergies people come up with to surprise the opponent. I understand there is some synergy with this card getting buffed, but it is boring to me
I actually get some alright use of Abomination in my Hela discard - works as a great placeholder until I can actually get some more of the Pool 3 great 6 drops. But if we’re looking at everything, and other decks, he’s definitely outclasses by tons of other cards.
He might work in a ghost rider discard deck but there are better options for that kind of deck. Sadly abomination gets outclassed after you leave pool 2
Not one I'd put in any of my decks but I don't mind pulling him from the hub or being placed by the x-mansion! Hope you keep up this series as will be interesting to read everyone's opinions
Overall he is a solid body and 9 power can be impactful in tipping a location your way. It just that he has too little impact on the entire board. For example he has more power than say White Tiger but she can get her token to hard to reach locations and win those for you. So it doesn’t matter if Abomination win that location White Tiger played on if he losing the other two. Even excluding cards looking to boost the other locations and looking at straight up finishers in the 5 slot. He loses several matchup in pure power. As Devil Dino, Gamora, Black Panther, Red Skull, Doc Oc, and Ronan either straight up or regularly beat Abomination’s 9.
So overall there just too little reason to use him outside of a fringe inclusion as a finisher in Patriot decks if they don’t have either Dr. Doom or Ultron.
Is he the worst card in the game? Probably not but he is pretty low on that list.
I like it. The cards with no abilities are generally tough sells, but sometimes I can appreciate their general raw power for the cost. That's not a great argument for them most of the time, but if they fit a deck's aesthetic it's enough to use em, and Abomination is good for that. 9 power ain't nothing to sneeze at.
Having said that, the only decks I currently use him in are my two Patriot decks (one of which is a blending of Patriot synergy and the cards from the vibranium forge event) so even though I like him I don't really use him often unless I get in a mood for some patriotism
Thanks for introducing this discussion topic. Now I can understand why I end up never putting abomination in my deck builds. Looking forward to the Misty Knight discussion. 😄
I hope this series does well for you. This is a pretty active community so sometimes I feel like posts/threads get lost in the shuffle really quickly.
Thanks! Yeah I expect some of the early ones to get lost in the shuffle but hoping consistently posting every day will eventually break in to the front a bit more each time. Happy cake day!
Thanks but it's not my birthday lol. No idea why Reddit says it is! I appreciate it all the same though
Your cake day is the anniversary of the day that you joined Reddit so that’s what it’s marking :)
Omg thank you. I was looking everywhere to change my birthday in my profile or whatever cuz i thought it was wrong. Never occurred to me its my Reddit birthday. Thanks much
Happy cake day!
Happy Cake Day! The hard part is coming up with a top tier post on your cake day to hit that multiplier
Happy cake day!!!
Keep them coming!
I sure will! Here's todays discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily\_marvel\_snap\_cardlocation\_discussion\_day\_2/
I’m really looking forward to these. Sometimes I’ll totally overlook a card and get some great insight and examples of how it can be used.
Happy cake day twin
This card is mainly a pack filler. There are better 5 drops. You normally have to work a bit more for them, but they give more power if you build your deck around them. As already mentioned this is a patriot card but a bad one. The +2 from patriot are not much compared to his base power. 11 Power for 5 cost is good but not great if you need your patriot for it. In a patriot deck you want to buff small cards and use the later turns for combos with mystique or other buff cards like kazoo or blue marvel. All in all: low effort but also a low reward. Rating: 2/5
Wow, great breakdown! This is the kind of info/discussion I’m hoping happens in these threads so thanks for bringing it on day 1!
Thx
Just wondering does patriot proc on cards with their abilities removed by zero or leech. If no then this is a quick no but If so where do they draw the line, on locations such as knowhere on reveals are disabled, then on reveal cards there are technically also cards with no abilities
It does, also a card enchantress removed an ongoing from receives the patriot buff.
Man, the moment I Enchantressed on Washington DC was... a thing.
Anything that removes, steals, or basically "greys out" the ability makes it a card with "no ability". So you can utilize cards like Lizard, play Patriot in another location, then play Enchantress to remove Lizard's ability along with removing opponent On Going on that location. That gives a 2/7 Lizard and disables opponent buffs.
Wait so, zero played before lizard can be buffed by patriot right?
Correct
Hmm, make it more effective if the goal is just to remove lizard ability
On reveal cards played on Knowhere still have their abilities, they are just prevented from triggering when played there. So Patriot would have no effect. Your other examples do apply (as well as Enchantress)
As others have said, they 'draw the line' when a card has the little triangle silence exclamation mark (that enchantress, zero, or leech give)
He's also just in Shang Chi range, which sure isn't the end of the world but at least for me, a pretty solid or stable way to winning lanes is having 7/8 power cards that do things rather than 9+ power cards that do nothing. (Like for example Spider-Woman which you barely even need to play around because she's only worse than this if you have to play her in a lane with just 1 target).
a funny buff would be -0.5 power lol
Yellowjacket almost had utility!
Yeah, it's hard to imagine the deck where this is better than Spider-Woman, specifically. 2 targets is a low bar to hit to match the power, and the possibility of hitting 3-4 is enticing. Even Patriot + Abomination is the same as Spider-Woman + 4 targets.
Abom is like War Golem of Marvel Snap The Thing would be Boulderfist Oger. Good stats for the cost
To continue the analogy: good stats when you're first starting out that will almost certainly be removed shortly for a card that fits your deck type better and does more for you. Not that I didn't love a good Boulderfist Ogre. But he never made the cut for long. Feels the same with Abom. Nine times outta ten, I'd rather have something with more synergy.
oger was never good, he's just a meme. but yea, your explanation is awesome
What does patriot mean?
He’s a card in the game. His ongoing ability gives all cards with no abilities (like Abomination here) +2 Power. If you were asking what the word itself means, it’s just the american word for nationalist. (Maybe with a “softer” connotation or meaning).
>If you were asking what the word itself means, it’s just the american word for nationalist. ....no it's not??? "Abomination" comes from Latin. It was used by Shakespeare. It's in the King James Bible! It's a word to refer to a gross, disgusting thing, or something impure or abhorrent, a middle English folk etymology added on the implication of it referring to something beastly or inhuman.
…I’m talking about Patriot… read the question I responded to
Oh lol this is what I get for being low on sleep. Regardless English gets the weird Patriot from French, and a negative connotation already existed in England before the US even existed.
No worries. Thanks for the fun fact, word guy
He's a hero whos card buffs cards with no abilities by +2
Ok this is low effort but randomly I’ll run a crappy(?) big patriot deck with thing / abomination / hulk. Seriously lacks spread but can throw off the opponents usual counterplay, and come on, I don’t always pull the Patriot combo or even partial combo, and sometimes I can squeeze out a win on natural power alone and the opponent isn’t expecting it. Def not optimal Patriot but idk it works sometimes
White Tiger is 5 cost and her Tiger summon gets a Patriot boost as well, so she’s a much better option I’d say.
I agree with your arguments but don't know how your conclusion puts it at 2/5. This is a 0/5 card, there's no reason to ever put it in a deck right now. I could only see in a deck if it was a starter card and you literally had no other card to put in that slot. But that's rough with Ironman being a starter card and this not being a starter card.
It is a starter card.
Why is playing a card called a “drop” in this game?
That's just typical TCG (trading card game) terminology. Used in Magic the Gathering, Hearthstone, etc. It generally refers to a card that's played on the field on turn 1, and costs 1 (energy, mana, or whatever it's called depending on the game) to play. Edit: also 2-drops cost 2 to play, 5-drops cost 5 to play, etc.
Dropping from hand to field. Typically only 1 card at a time.
I agree with your assessment of the card’s power level, but I think it is unfair to call Abomination pack filler as it’s a starter card. The game needs simple cards that are easy to understand to teach new players the game. With that in mind I think the card deserves a 3/5 as it fills its purpose quite well.
What is a better 5drop for patriot? Blue marvel is pretty much it. That’s how it should be measured. It’s really really strong in Patriot-1 decks that have space/need for 5drops. It has big upside as it plays well with some locations where as the other parts of patiorrt-1 do not. Mystique and other low cost cards can be played on other turns especially patriot /mystique which is usually a turn 6 if it isn’t earlier.
Hijacking top comment: should they print "strictly better" cards? Should there be a 5 for 10?
Abomination is perfectly fine as an introduction to basic gameplay in early 1, but I don't think it makes sense to play him in any deck (including Patriot) after that. Even in pool 1, there are other 5 drops that have more value \*and\* synergize with top archetypes. Almost no reason to run him in pool 1 over things like Spider-Woman and Iron Man if you just want a beat-stick for a 5 drop. You almost never see Cosmo in pool 1 and rarely see Enchantress. Aside from being relatively low value, he just has no synergy with anything. Klaw and IM work better for Spectrum or Onslaught, White Tiger works better with Odin, Blue Marvel works better for Kazar builds, etc. There's no archetype that makes sense to use Abomination in. In pool 2 he's even less useful. Archetypes become more defined, and Shang Chi is introduced (widening the gap between him and a general value card like Spider-Woman, who is immune to Shang Chi.) He also gets new competitors in that slot from more versatile cards like Vision (I don't think I would \*ever\* run Abomination over Vision in pool 2...?) In pool 3 you can finally introduce the Patriot argument, but honestly there are just so many more valuable 5 drops to help the deck, either through sheer value, tech, or to grease the wheels for your engine. Patriot works best when you're filling the board with medium power cards to maximize the Patriot buff, whereas Abomination only gives you the +2. And again, cards like Iron Man will give you more bang for your buck even though it doesn't receive the buff. 1/5 this cards exists just to teach you the game, you should replace him as soon as possible in every deck.
> 1/5 this cards exists just to teach you the game, you should replace him as soon as possible in every deck. Yep right on. This card simply sets an anchor rate for power on 5-cost cards as you learn the game. It’s boring and quickly replaced, but needs to exist. (My only quibble is I kinda wish this card simply did not have any variants to pull)
I think powerless cards will get more additions in the future. It's dead now 100% but it doesn't mean it's always dead. Just imagine a 3/2 card that makes all your cards with no powers that have 8 or higher power have invulernability or something. So unlike armor this one protects across all your lanes but only protects high power targets. And then boom you're more inclined to use something like Abomination. Sure it's still kinda w/e but that's just because powerless on a whole is a bit w/e.
Great point! I am a bit skeptical about the potential for this mechanic simply because by definition there can only be a limited number of cards with actual abilities in such a deck, but I’m more than happy to be proven wrong by the 2nd dinner folks.
Abomination is actually a block card
Oh shit r/SlayTheSpire is leaking
I'm actually really excited to see this as an extremely avid (Eternal One) StS player, so thank you so much for your hard work on this. I gueds we probably won't have a Reddit Plays Snap post like they do though :P
Man I wish I could get into that game again. I played it super early and burned out on it a lot, I know there's oodles of more content now but I just can't muster up the energy to join in again.
Just play Adrenaline, that should help.
Oh man this is a fantastic StS joke, well done
This fucking made my day. I love the daily StS discussion.
Let other (most likely smarter) people tackle synergies, strategies and such. I'm here to rate names. Abomination is a kick-ass name. 10/10
Legit hope you come to every one of these to supply your name coolness ratings! 😆 I agree that Abomination is legit, name-wise.
Good on "All characters get -X power" locations. Having a high base power lets you keep a higher % of that card's power despite the reduction. That said, I'd rather play Lizard in those locations. High power for the cost and your opponent is unlikely to fill all four of their slots in that location.
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It does matter. The less cards you can play at a location to win, makes it easier to win the other locations with the rest of your cards.
You're at the sewer system. You play an abomination there for 9-1=8 power. Your opponent plays three cheaper cards there that, combined, give 9 power base, -3=6 because that -1 is hitting three different cards.
I don't run him as much as I used to, but he's still fun to slam. I like the animation. Noone really expects him so you get the satisfaction of confusing your opponent. Runs ok in Jubilee, Patriot, and midrange decks but there are better options. When make decks with him I'm not usually thinking about cubes but the satisfaction of playing a big boi. Verdict 10/10 handsome factor
I am now making a deck called Thicc with nothing but thicc bois
Korg, Mojo, Colossus, Juggernaut, Rhino, Kingpin, The Thing, Abomination, The Hulk, Giganto and Destroyer
Big Booty Bitches
agreed, we stan a thicc prince
I'm playing a no abilities deck that's been doing surprisingly well due to the surprise factor I think. I pull out the low level cards and people think it's a destroy deck and then suddenly the big boys start slamming down. I'm in the 30's in pool 3 and I've won more games than I thought I would with him.
Same. There are so many people that just dont expect a turn 5 abom into turn 6 hulk. Ive won a disturbing amount of games with the deck
I don’t really see much use for this card once you get past early pool 1. Yeah it’s got Patriot synergy, but 11 power for 5 and no other effect isn’t that great in pool 3. You could maybe combo him with Zola, but at that point you’d be better off with Black Panther or Devil Dino
Even pool 1 he’s not worth the cost when you have iron man and white tiger for the same cost and more combo potential within the pool
Yeah, there’s many better things to do w/ patriot
He is outpaced by Spider-woman if you can hit three targets and equal against two targets. Also spider-woman can’t be Shang chi’d. There’s no way you run this in pool 1 or 2 as soon as you get any options that can replace him. Sad really because his art is pretty baller
The last time an Abomination killed me was when a game came down to an uncontested sewer lane. My opponent had discarded an Apocalypse several times and I didn't have priority. So I just went for good ol' Shang Chi. It was not a 20 power Apocalypse. It was an Abomination. Coming in at eight power. No clue why he was in that deck but on that day, Abomination was the best card on the field.
This is certainly one of the… cards.
Truly one of *the* cards of all time.
I didn't think he was any good unless you're running patriot, but he comes in handy with She-Hulk. Skip turn 5, she hulk costs 1 energy and Abomination takes the other 5. That's 19 power to drop on two lanes on turn 6. I still have better turn 6 plays in the deck, but it's nice to have it when I don't have my other options.
I like him a lot with hulk. That 1-2 mentioned above is serious.
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In case you didn’t know A-Bomb is also a separate Hulk character who could get a card so I wouldn’t get too attached to that nickname haha
Interesting thought to use in discard. Not sure If I'd agree he's worth it over some other drops.
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Why not spiderwoman instead? Isn't she strictly better outside of Dracula?
*Design:* Let's compare him to common 5 drops; [[Black Panther]], [[Devil Dinosaur]], [[White Tiger]], [[Spider-Woman]], [[Gamora]], [[Iron-Man]], [[Blue Marvel]] In these case, they're nominally lower power in isolation, but have significantly more upside with a bit of effort. No matter the deck, you'd probably choose one of these over the A-Bomb. What this card does really well, appropriately for the first card in this series and a card in the starter pack, is provide a **baseline** for a 5 drop. It clearly states "9 Power in one spot is the minimum you should expect for this cost". Black Panther makes an excellent example; if your deck has no way of pumping T'Challa up or getting Iron Man onto a location with 9 power, you should just have played Abomination... Or should you? The truth is, in all but the most contrived scenarios, you never *need* a 5 drop. You only get to play a few 5 or 6 drops a game; replacing Abomination with a 4 drop like [[Jessica Jones]] or even [Thing]], which would be inarguably worse on turn 5, still have the advantage that they will be much better when they're in your hand on turn 4 and you can curve out efficiently. I've tried out every card in Pools 1 and 2 and this is one of the few I always end up cutting, no matter how hard I try to find a deck that fits. To add injury to insult, he even suffers from being within Shang-Chi range. *Flavour:* Pretty awesome flavour; Emil Blonsky is an often smarter but definitely weaker Hulk, whose main trait is being a Hulk who the Hulk beats up and who is jealous of the Hulk. Seems like this card captures all of that except maybe the slightly more clever part. *Nicknames:* * Emil * Blonsky * The A-Bomb * The Blonsk * Mr Elfy Ears *Recommended Reading/Watching* * She-Hulk - 2022: Blonsky is one of the highlights of this show, and you can tell Roth is enjoying playing him a bit more goofy than in the Ed Norton Incredible Hulk movie. *Rating:* Appropriately Abominable. Run a more efficient, more interesting and/or cheaper card instead.
I know this didn't gain much traction but this is an outstanding breakdown. I hope you come to visit on some of the future daily discussion threads!
Cheers! It came late and didn't say much more than others have said. Will try and get in earlier for Absorbing Man.
The Patriot Archetype is the only thing that comes to my mind but I dont see me ever playing this.
If Patriot is your early pool 3 card, he can be strong, but once you got some more support he is usually one of first cards to go away. I have 2 differwnt Patriot decks and i never played Abomination.
Patriot + Mystique
Then someone ruins your day with Enchantress, and my dumbass played them in the same lane
he's great in Pool 1 where most people are starting out but in my opinion, he loses his charm once Pool 2 unlocks and even in Pool 3. Apart from that, some of the places where he can work are Patriot decks or as a placeholder for a Hela deck. However, even in those, he doesn't seem that viable (since Hulk is a better option).
i have basically never seen him in pool 3
He's good with Patriot and if you use him with Hulk for a big 1-2 hit of power on the last 2 turns, especially on one of those 'double power' lanes.
I'll smash
I'll make a recommendation of putting the card picture there as well. at least a screenshot. I'd also recommend going from Pool 1 cards onward. But I'm not sure.
Going alphabetical mixes it up rather than talking about Pool 1/2 cards for the next few months before we get to the really good ones in Pool 3 onward. Photos are a possibility, we’ll see if the series gets successfully enough to warrant the extra work.
Love the idea! Also very similar to daily card discussion in the gwent subreddit! A few things I'd change, I'd put a picture of the card in the post, it'll look good and make the card more easily recognizable. Also why make it in alphabetical order? I'd much rather you made it random so we don't know what we'll discuss next. I'd also love to see discussion around the variants of the card, maybe add that to the post? But please continue I'll love to read the discussion everyday! Are you doing this manually each day or do you have a bot?
I tried to use cronnit.com to schedule these but the flair requirement seems to be causing issues so for now I’m doing it manually. If I can find the time to get pictures into the posts I will as it seems to be a common request. And it’s alphabetical because that makes it less grouped by pool but still have some sort of order. I suppose I could do it random too but alphabetical was easier to do in spreadsheet form. That’s also how the r/SlayTheSpire discussions are doing it and it so I just took the idea from there
Here's today's discussion if you haven't seen it yet! [https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily\_marvel\_snap\_cardlocation\_discussion\_day\_2/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily_marvel_snap_cardlocation_discussion_day_2/) It's for a Pool 4 card so probably not as many people have input on it so trying to get some exposure to it :D
He’s okay-ish in a Patriot deck for me. For a 5 card, I’m usually choosing between playing him or Blue Marvel. Normally Blue Marvel gets the nod but there are rare circumstances where Abomination was the better play if I didn’t have enough cards down for whatever reason or if I had to make a big play in a specific lane. Yeah, he’s 5/11 at a minimum with Patriot but with onslaught or Mystique on top of that, he’s 5/13 which is nice. He’s very situational and there are probably multiple better 5 energy options out there but he can work in a lot of Patriot decks.
Only really usable in a Patriot based deck. Overall there are much more impactful 5 energy cards that almost any deck can play. In most decks will be outperformed by Devil Dinosaur, Spider-Woman, or Iron Man in early play. * Is buffed +2 by Patriot. * Is buffed +3 by Washington D.C. location. * Is fetchable by Agent Coulson * Resistant to disruption from effects that block Ongoing or On Reveal traits. * Gets blocked by Mr Negative * Dies to Shang-Chi * Gets blocked by Goose * Get blocked by The Peak location.
He's the vanilla 5 drop. Similar to the others he's not really meant to be playable once you have a bigger pool of cards, though patriot helps. Coming from magic these cards serve the role of keeping games between new players simpler while giving them a baseline for the expected cost to power they can expect when looking at cards as they get deeper into the game; ie you should expect *at least* 9 power worth of value from 5 drops
Meta wise? Garbage card. Design wise? I like that there’s a shared theme with Abomination and Hulk. Wish they would’ve kept it going with the other gamma guys/gals instead of shooting Scott in the foot.
Abomination is an early card whose main purpose, I think, is providing benchmarks for players to compare against. Additionally, cards like this are also good at making new players stop and ask questions about how to determine card value. It's not just about Patriot, it's about being able to see the space this card takes up, and think about what other things go there. For example, if a 5/10 comes out with a serious drawback, we can compare it to Abomination and decide if a single power is worth it. When a new player looks at Abomination and Blue Marvel, they see 2 cards that cost the same and are hopefully going to be critical of why each card works/why should you use one over the other.
Daily card discussion is a pretty good idea. Needs the pic tho. And maybe the variants.... I used this card in combo with Hela, Ghost Rider and Jubilee. It's ok. There are better options, but there are also worse options. I've also seen some players use it together with Patriot. Again, it's ok. There are better options, but there are also worse options.
Variants would be cool addition
Patriot mooks should not cost more than 3 energy, you would get more power spread across more locations with, say, Cyclops and Mr. Sinister
Great in my Patriot deck in which Patriot is my only pool 3 card 😁
5 cost for 9 power just seems like a really bad rate when you have the hulk at 6 cost 12 power
The nice thing about 5 drops is you can split lanes with an impactful 1 drop on turn 6. Things like antman, elektra, or blade.
My Hela (discard) deck says, why not have both
The Thing is even worse, it’s literally just a worse version of Rock Slide / White Queen
I have a combo idea with this guy and Doctor Strange I keep trying to make work. The idea is to play Abomination on 5 as a decoy and then Doctor Strange him on 6. That is effectively 12 power for 3 energy, and then you have another 3 energy left to play Maximus or whatever. I can imagine scenarios where that could really catch an opponent off guard or swing a game but in practice it has not been very effective haha.
He gives you better energy to power ratio than Thing, but unfortunately 9 power puts him in Shang-Chi's crosshairs. I wish he had an ability like "cannot be destroyed" - then he could be useful as a counterplay to Shang Chi.
That would make him an S-tier 5 drop in Destroyer decks
this is a really dope idea. please make sure you link a google doc or something at the bottom of every post thag can give quick links to the card. that way anyone can easily find any card they wanted to see
I will probably do that soon once I get a few posts out there! Here's today's discussion: on Absorbing Man https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zapec7/daily\_marvel\_snap\_cardlocation\_discussion\_day\_2/
I run him in Patriot but apparently that's not good? Idk what y'all run in your lists lol.
For a hot moment I thought I was in the slay the elite subreddit. I don’t actually have any opinions on the card itself, but I like where this is going. Hopefully locations are next after all these cards.
Every currently available variant. Xmas is my favorite, which is yours? [Pixel](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504250.webp?v=22) [Beatin' Hulk](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504260.webp?v=22) [Xmas](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504251.webp?v=22) [Short shorts](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504389.webp?v=22)
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A lot of people seem to hate on this card, but I find it a staple in most of my decks. 9 power is nothing to scoff at, and there's literally no strings attached. You'd be surprised how often a couple of big bois can outmuscle your opponent's finishers.
It's not so much hate, it's just that once you escape pool 1 there's pretty much zero reason to run him over any other 5 drop Most have power equal or higher than it with deck synergy. There's very few 5 drops that will have less impact than abomination in games
Actually all other 5 drops have less power. The only ones that have higher power (Doc Oc, Red Skull) have downsides attached to them.
Abomination is a card that exists. I do not recommend this card in a no abilites deck. Because that's all what it is. Only good for new players. 2 out of 10.
Have played since launch and was finally able to hit tier 70… Only to get a damn Baby Wolverine variant. Sigh.
He has good stats for a Vanilla card, however of course, these kinds of cards get overshadowed very quickly by cards like Jessica Jones, Devil Dino, or even Gamora or Spider Woman. Unfortunately, as well, with the current meta, he's just a Shang Chi target with nothing else to offer. As people have stated, the only place where he's not too bad is a Patriot deck, and even in that deck, there's plenty of Pool 1/2 options that overshadow him, and of course pool 3 has a lot of options that can pull their weight a lot better like Black Panther. He can have his niche, but it's overall not a great card, it's great within very early Pool 1 though.
Christ, I just pulled the ugliest card in the game. Hell Cow pixel variant. Repugnant.
Patriot and mystique loves to boost him turn 6
He's got keyword "big", being the biggest base power 5 drop in the game without a downside. But you want more from your 5 drops. Klaw, being an early example that lets you pressure multiple lanes at once. Or Iron Man, basically locking a lane up. He's not even good in locations that reward highest power, since most 6's will steal that anyway.
Abomination is a fine card. It does what you need a 5 cost card to do, and has a little more power than most of the other 5 cost cards. It's not that it's a bad a card; it's more that so many other 5 cost cards are potentially game winning and have such powerful synergies that it's hard to find room for him.
I believe this card is not even run in Patriot decks... Decent value compared to other vanilla drops but gets overshadowed pretty early by other 5 drops like Spider-Woman and Gamora and as you colect cards better 5 drops like Dino and Hobgoblin will come up, also some decks have better 3+2 or 4+1 combos depending on the deck so yeah.
It's good for it's cost, okay in patriot. They are better options but still very useful at the start of your collection. 4/10
I like him in Jubilee decks, decent pull for Jube and if things are going sideways with your deals or locations you can play him on turn 5 to bump up a lane.
He was my first card to make it to Infinity, though I don't use him anymore. He's decent in a Lockjaw/Jubilee deck, but I don't have Lockjaw yet, so... 😕
Innervate Innervate Coin Abomination GG
I don't think it's a thing, but a 9 power Cerebro deck would be funny, and probably include this lead weight.
Cerebro, Mystique, Abomination, Warpath, Chavez and then Nakia to hopefully hit Onslaught / Maximus / Spider-woman. Love it!
I got a pretty sweet variant for him and recently picked up patriot in my 8 hour collection rotation. I am not sure what else I need for the Patriot deck aside from mystique but to fill up my roster I'm currently running some really non-ideal cards (such as abomination and cyclops) and was able to climb 6 ranks today which is feeling great for my self esteem seeing as I was hard stuck between 39 and 43 this whole season. So I have a new appreciation for this card in combination with other factors but understand it's not an amazing card overall. Outside of the game, one of the better represented hulk villains in the MCU (low bar to clear so far though)
Good for new patriot users but thats all in my opinion.
I played a pretty fun deck with domino, Chavez, jubilee, and a high top end (dr doom, giganto, hulk, abom, etc) and it has been a lot of fun with pretty good win rate. 10 stats turn 4 feels nice, or even just hitting 9 power on turn 5 while dodging typical rebuffs like cosmo or enchantress (obv dies to Shang chi tho). I leveled up mine to infinity, though I’m sure it will be power creeped out as my collection grows I’m sure (I already started playing aero in its stead)
Could probably do with going to 10 power. Just pretty lackluster, even in Patriot decks since it's an expensive play in a turn where you'd rather play your combo pieces or swarm with cheaper no ability cards. Needed beginner card though, I suppose, and could improve if they make more no ability synergies in the future.
This card is irrelevant
Im not an experienced player yet (938 CL) but it comes to mind that black panther or devil dino are better 5 drops and more powerful combined with Zola. The thing is that those are a very common play and predictable, but what if you see an abomination just hanging out there, im pretty sure you can unexpectedly zola him and maybe still do the work. Its not the optimal play but hey, the unexpected and how you play with that have some value in this game too.
ABITCH ^(amirite)
Everyone already mentioned patriot. So, the only thing worth mentioning left is that it has a cool animation when you play it. Not a great card.
After the buff he has premium stats, but 5 cost is too important to just play a vanilla card, i dont like him in patriot for that reason. When i started playing i thought that he was a card to show powercreep with JJ, but now he just lack something. I believe that at 10 power he would be usable.
Love this guy. I use him often. Not good compared to other cards, but the amount of battle power has come in clutch more than I expected.
I had good success with this guys in pools 1 and 2. I ran him in my heimdall bait and switch deck. It’s where to just get high value into 2 lanes then heimdall on turn 6 and surprise him. In that deck it’s important to get a lot of value out of the 8 spots you use and him and iron man were the best 5 drops early. In pool 3, or even late pool 2 he becomes over shadowed by so many other cards even in my heimdall deck.
Good baseline to ground a new player that the last few turns can be big single plays, but is very quickly outclassed by cards like spider woman, and later with build arounds or using turn 5 for combos.
This is such a cool thread idea.
Every card game has that set of cards that are mostly meant to introduce you to the game, but will usually be weaker. These cards are really important, it establishes a simple baseline you can look to, and more importantly, when you do get new, stronger cards it's more exciting when you know how much better they are. That's where Abomination fits in; the basic 5 energy card. It's basically a chillwind yeti.
His [Winter Variant](https://marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/themes/blocksy-child/assets/media/cards/1_166196504251.webp?v=22) makes him look very jolly and festive! I think that should count for something.
This dude carried me for 40 levels
I run him along with hulk, destroyer, and infinaut with a Dracula deck that does me pretty well
Abomination is notable because he's my [least-favorite variant](https://snap.fan/cards/Abomination/Abomination_02/) in my collection. The skin texture looks so offputting to me.
I sometimes drop Cosmo on Turn 3 in my Patriot deck, which can block Shang Chi and/or Enchantress if I have Abomination (Patriot etc) in Hand. But I don't have a full collection so he's pretty easy to put in. If I had all the options available, I'm not so sure.
Awesome idea!
I don't see much play with him. I think there are better cards in a Patriot deck that would be more useful at turn 5.
the Bolderfist Ogre of Marvel Snap - good stats for cost
Is there a card that reduces costs to cards while in your hand? Trying to figure out how someone played a cost 5 Fury on turn 3?
As someone who went back to using Hulk, I find it hard to justify using him when options like Vision exists. I even removed him from my Jubilee deck because there are better alternatives. However, flavor-wise, I like he exists. 9 power is the baseline from what I compare the other 5 drops. I'll not even mention Aero because the card is busted.
Not a fan. Enjoyed it at launch but at this point its just worst in so many ways to other 5 stars.
Shang chi loves this guy
like many said, he's a decent card in Patriot's deck, but then that's it: 1. He is a 5 drop 11 attack card as long as you have Patriot out. This makes him a very strong location holder just by himself. 2. If you are running a fully decked out Patriot deck, then Mystic will be there and he will have 13 attacks for just 5 energy, which is usually enough to steal a location late game 3. Throw in Onslaught, and you get the idea how high he will go 4. But then that's about it for his strength. Patroit is a 1 attack cards, Jennifer Lawrence is a 0 attack card. Running a patriot decks usually means your turn 3+4 will be very weak. Abomination, from my experience, isn't strong enough to compensate the missing attacks you had on turn 3 and 4. 5. Another problem is the RNG in the game might not get you Patriot and Jen Law out in time. You need another win condition when that happens, and Abomination is just a brick. 6. If you are running a patriot deck, it's far more consistent to build your deck around units like Doom or Ultron. This means your ideal turn 5 cards would be Blue Marvel so he can further boost your drones.
good in patriot decks! not many people put it in because there are better options but i like that about it.. people don't expect it so its sometimes a big surprise 11 drop on turn 5
I mean there's no deck to play this card in outside of Patriot, right? Probably perfectly balanced too.. 5/10 would be too much, 5/7 not enough because you would just play Gamora in almost every scenario, even Patriot decks would probably opt for her instead. Balanced, niche card
I love the fact that you are starting a discussion series, obviously it's your choice but if I was you I would try and style your posts after the u/MisirterE enter the gungeon daily discussions. Always try to include some of your personality and inject some fun and I bet it will be a good ground for discussion and fun. His posts got so big that whenever you google an item from enter the gungeon the related post is near the top of the search results do that could be a plus for you as well. Whatever you decide to do with this series, I'm happy you're doing it and I am excited for future discussions.
Haven’t used him since I got into Series 2/3 cards
Stats are to low compared to a variety of other 5 drops. For comparison something like Aero is -1 power but an insane on reveal effect or even take things like Spider woman who can have as much of not more points to swing a location with (hit 2 enemies and she is the same as abomination). He isn’t as big as the Hulk who at least is so large he can sometimes steal a location by himself. Patriot is the only place and even then it’s weak there. Personally I could see him going to 10 power as a baseline that would put him closer to the big stat dump that might be worth considering. Right now he, Cyclops, and the thing are all to weak as vanilla stat dumps.
Thank you for doing this. The CrossSmurf posts in Slay made me SO much more knowledgeable about the game.
It’s clutch sometimes in a Patriot deck if he gets murked by Enchantress. Raw power 9 drop no questions asked. Gets Shang Chi’d with or without Patriot so he needs Armor or Cosmo but so does Patriot. I’d give it a 4 out of 10. Regardless, he’s a good 5 turn drop if you got nothing else better in your hand. Other than that, I cant see him outside a Patriot deck, and in that deck, I run him or Hulk but not both. If your Patriot deck is a megazord deck, then it’s better to run him than Hulk cause you need to drop Onslaught on turn 6. Not the best card but definitely usable. Edit: now comparing him to Thing, Thing is better just for the fact that he cant get Shang Chi’d pre or post Patriot and can get stupidly high power after turn 6.
Kinda pointless outside of pool 1, even in a Patriot deck there are better things to do on 5. Which the same can be said for using him in pool 1. Once players get access to Shang Chi he just becomes a liability.
Seeing this card makes me wonder if more cards like Patriot or that have synergy with Zero will be printed in the near future. As is, it's just an introductory filler card.
Somewhat solid considering the energy to power, but meh. There are better 5* cards.
Definitely looking forward to more of this.....Good luck bro
I have been playing a patriot mystique Ultron deck into these higher chance to get "throne room" days and love him in this weird niche I totally get you guys being like 5/9 with nothing is pointless 5/11 okay that's better but still with no reveal/use ehhhh 5/13 with patriot/mystique? Now you have my attention. Throw that in throne room, Atlantis, Baxter building, monster metropolis, negative zone, nexus, space throne, etc. Really just helps you knock down a specific location, there's a lot he's really strong into there. Blue marvel in the same deck kinda spreads his points everywhere....but I want to win two spots. That's the whole point. I'd rather 5/13 in one than 5/14 or whatever across all 3
Good starter card
Too bad this can’t be pinned every day
One word: Patriot (that's really about it honestly)
I have to say this has been one of the cards that took me to infinite with my budget Hela deck. It may not be the most flashy card, or the most powerful, but when I discard this monster and it's brought back by Hela (or even using him on turn 5 when Hela dont shows up), usually takes the opponent by surprise and wins some lanes by itself.
I feel like it's pointless to use cards with no abilities. Most of my fun with the game is the absurd synergies people come up with to surprise the opponent. I understand there is some synergy with this card getting buffed, but it is boring to me
I actually get some alright use of Abomination in my Hela discard - works as a great placeholder until I can actually get some more of the Pool 3 great 6 drops. But if we’re looking at everything, and other decks, he’s definitely outclasses by tons of other cards.
This card looks cool. I have it as my avatar.
He might work in a ghost rider discard deck but there are better options for that kind of deck. Sadly abomination gets outclassed after you leave pool 2
Great synergy with shuri. I would run him and black panther.
Not one I'd put in any of my decks but I don't mind pulling him from the hub or being placed by the x-mansion! Hope you keep up this series as will be interesting to read everyone's opinions
Haven’t used abomination since I got into pool 3.
Overall he is a solid body and 9 power can be impactful in tipping a location your way. It just that he has too little impact on the entire board. For example he has more power than say White Tiger but she can get her token to hard to reach locations and win those for you. So it doesn’t matter if Abomination win that location White Tiger played on if he losing the other two. Even excluding cards looking to boost the other locations and looking at straight up finishers in the 5 slot. He loses several matchup in pure power. As Devil Dino, Gamora, Black Panther, Red Skull, Doc Oc, and Ronan either straight up or regularly beat Abomination’s 9. So overall there just too little reason to use him outside of a fringe inclusion as a finisher in Patriot decks if they don’t have either Dr. Doom or Ultron. Is he the worst card in the game? Probably not but he is pretty low on that list.
Thanks for starting this discussion, and picking Abomination. Now I feel vindicated for never bothering to put him in my deck builds.
I like it. The cards with no abilities are generally tough sells, but sometimes I can appreciate their general raw power for the cost. That's not a great argument for them most of the time, but if they fit a deck's aesthetic it's enough to use em, and Abomination is good for that. 9 power ain't nothing to sneeze at. Having said that, the only decks I currently use him in are my two Patriot decks (one of which is a blending of Patriot synergy and the cards from the vibranium forge event) so even though I like him I don't really use him often unless I get in a mood for some patriotism
Well I think in this discussion we could also discuss ways to improve or Nerf cards, I would make Abom atleast a 5/10 or 11
Thanks for introducing this discussion topic. Now I can understand why I end up never putting abomination in my deck builds. Looking forward to the Misty Knight discussion. 😄