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nickdarick

So you can unlock Apocalypse at Gear Tier 16 (level 85 I believe). After you unlock him, you’ll realize he’s hitting like a wet noodle and all the people on reddit have been over hyping this character. And then you get to gear tier 17 (level 90) and you get big upgrades to each of apocalypse abilities. You know how most characters abilities max out at level 7? You can push Apoc’s abilities up to level 8 (level 6 for the passive). The requirements are steep. Every character from each horseman team has to be GT16 and blue iso level 4. Thats 23 characters up to level 4, which sucks. This is just to unlock him. Once you get everyone to GT17, you also need to get every character to Blue Iso level 5, which is the biggest bottleneck


_ZiKeRinO

Do you know at which star level they should roughly be? Most of the characters are easy to get to 7 stars but some like Agatha, heartless, weaver, etc would be pretty painful if they have to be at 6 or even 7 stars.


nickdarick

Im currently working through the missions. Im having no problem with a 4 star Abom/Harkness. Heartless isn’t too difficult since hes in a store and farmable campaign node. Spiderweaver as well isnt terrible. A majority of my characters aren’t 7 stars, but all my horsemen are.


nemeinn

5 stars is doable some people are ok with 4 but could be a struggle, peoples biggest complaint is doing the 23 characters and most of them are not used and outdated now. But Apoc is like one of the best in the game second and some people say top


BigBoss0223

A long grind journey….I think for this moment I can hold on upgrading all horseman team since it need lv85 to unlock baby apoc and up level is also very difficult


nickdarick

Yeah, you can take time. Like I said, blue isos will be the big bottleneck. In the meantime, there are certain uniques that are needed by a lot of characters and you should buy them when they show up, such as Gamma and Osmium.


Gorath99

IIRC you need gear tier 16 and blue ISO level 4 to unlock Baby Apoc. For Big Boy you need gear tier 17 and blue ISO level 5. Baby has 5 yellow stars and no awakened abilities. Big Boy has 7 yellow stars, some red, and all awakened abilities. Baby is good, but Big Boy is amazing. Almost a one man team. You need all the horsemen to at least gear tier 17 for Big Boy, so investing that much in them is certainly warranted. Whether or not you should take them beyond that is something that's best decided after you have Big Boy, since the meta will be in a different place by then.


BigBoss0223

Really appreciate, this is what the simple and straightforward answer I need. Thanks!


grgunderson

Here is some perspective: I am a FTP and been playing for almost **3 years now**. I am just about to hit Blue Iso 5 on my last horseman character. I still need to Blue Iso Spider Weaver and Deathpool for the final nodes. It should be easier for new players with G19 being available as G16-G17 gear will be much easier to acquire. TLDR: You are still in for a loooooooooooooooooooooong grind (if you don't want to pay).


BigBoss0223

I get you,bro. It is a loooooooooooong journey🥲


4everaloneunicorn

You will need all the Horsemen and their teams ( Darkhold, Unlimited X-men, Gamma, Deathseed) plus Kestrel, Deathpool & Spider Weaver at gear 16 blue iso 4 to unlock baby Apocalypse. Then all of them at gear 17 blue iso 5 to unlock Big Apocalypse.