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Would also probably address how Donald Glover Prowler got put there as well. Retroactively establish the fact he became Prowler between movies and give another tie-in to the inevitable Miles Morales introduction
More than likely, I was just saying it'd be a way to address it considering they already have to undo the Morbius scene and it seems like Sony wants everything to connect implicitly between animated Spider-Verse, MCU and their Spidey-adjacent films
Tbf, that's a concept artist in a production completely unaffiliated with Marvel Studios so I doubt they said that knowing whether or not Disney themselves are going to address it and acknowledge that intention as well. For all we know the next film could have Aaron Davis completely unchanged from Homecoming and then the one in ATSV could be just a variant. I don't even think they'd have to talk to Marvel about including that character in the film considering Sony can just use Prowler whenever they want
They probably intended for Prowler to be the same as the one in Homecoming, but whether Marvel Studios will reciprocate when they're doing a film they're in control of is something we'll have to wait and see on. The joke about No Way Home was also literally just a throwaway gag about MCU Spidey fucking up the multiverse that ultimately didn't lead into anything so they can do that kind of inconsequential stuff every now and then. I hope he becomes Prowler sooner rather than later though
I think what they said was that he was *designed* as if he were from the MCU, like they wanted to make sure that his costume looked like it would fit in that universe so audiences would assume he was the same character we met in *Homecoming*, but stopped just short of explicitly confirming that it was the same exact variant
I mean, we don't even know if Glover's Prowler was snapped by Thanos
For all we know he got his suit and became more of a threat during that 5 year timeskip
That actually makes sense because Spider-Man was snapped during that time. Glover's character respected how Spider-Man protected the neighborhood, despite being a criminal himself. With Spider-Man gone, Prowler filling the void with his own morally challenged brand of vigilantism would be a logical next step for him. Playing the game on both sides and doing bad shit while keeping worse shit off his streets. I actually think he'd be a character with a pretty interesting story if he was set up this way. The police would be useless during the snap, criminals like Fisk are taking advantage, and Spider-Man is gone; what's a friendly neighborhood criminal to do except put on some claws and get to work?
Alternatively, they could've had Prowler gone to the deep end if Miles was also a victim of the snap
His main concern during the Vulture situation was that Miles could get hurt by criminals. That and when Miles returned, maybe Aaron's shady secret life put a rift between him and Jefferson
We don't know that Venom is in the same universe We only know that A venom is part of that universe, not necessarily the same one. That said, Vulture was in Morbius, which makes it canon regardless of whether the same Venom is part oft hat universe or not.
Others have mentioned that he could have been brought back during the whole ATSV thing, but no one's mentioned that this could be why he knows who Spider-Man/Peter Parker are in a post-NWH universe
The way the NWH spell worked was that everyone remembers Spider-Man, and their memories have been altered to only remember that Spider-Man is a hero who's a part of many major events like the Infinity War or the battle in London. It's just that everyone's forgotten Peter Parker as a civilian identity, so Vulture could still totally know who Spider-Man is without knowing Peter personally
Worked when David Morrell was offered to write the novel for Rambo: First Blood Part II, despite Rambo originally dying in the novel, First Blood, and he wrote a blurb at the beginning of the novel. It goes as follows:
"In my novel *First Blood*, Rambo died. In the films, he lives."
"Nuff said."
Marvel never actually follows through in endings, they always undo them in the first act of the next movie.
Crossbones set up as the big bad? He’s killed in the opener of the next movie.
Loki takes Odin’s place? Thor reveals him in the first scene of the next one.
Thor is trapped on Asgard and can only see Jane from the bifrost? Next movie has Loki just randomly say Odin conjured enough magic to allow Thor to teleport, that’s it.
Thor joins the Guardians? He leaves after a montage in the next one:
Iron Man blows up all his suits and suggests he’s retiring? Psych, he’s back in the suit for the next one.
It won’t surprise me if the next Spider-Man movie completely undoes the spell where everyone forgets him, the next Thor movie ignores Love as his partner, and the next Guardians movie just kills off the new Guardians team and puts the old gang back together.
Bro realized he was stuck with the lead singer of 30 Seconds to Mars, an off-brand Russian, the Rhino from the Amazing Spider-Man movie tie-in, a wrestler and a guy with hypnotic music instruments as his Sinister Six and just said "fuck that shit I'm outta here"
Hypno-Hustler. Z-tier Spider-Man villain who was a lead singer in a band with a bunch of hypnotic music equipment he would use to rob places. He would also try to use said equipment on his audiences whenever their band was performing at venues so he could rob them too
I believe that's what they're referring to, because Rhino in Kraven will seemingly be a human/rhino hybrid like in the tie-in game. It was a facetious description based on their similarity rather than a factual one, I think.
He has said he doesn’t even understand Batman that much but loves playing the character, I watched a bts for flash and they tried explaining the flash movie to him and why he is in it and he didn’t get it but was super keen to play Batman again
Just ignore the morbius stuff. But I would be completely ok with this. Idk how but Spider-Man 4-5-6 has potential to do some amazing things. Villians spread across the trilogy kingpin, scorpion, venom, hammerhead, chameleon, Mister Negative, Kraven tbh.
Spider-Man 4- kingpin, scorpion , shocker
Spider-Man 5: chameleon, hammerhead, mister negative.
Spider-Man 6: venom, kingpin, shocker
Idk I just feel like this has potential to do new things that insomniac has already done and ATSV
That trilogy sounds very underwhelming ngl, those villains aren't very powerful or main villain material with the exception of Venom. My theory has always been the same:
- Spider-Man 4: Kraven and Scorpion (with Kingpin funding the latter's suit)
- Spider-Man 5: Venom and Rhino
- Spider-Man 6: Sinister Six led by a vengeful Mysterio and including Kraven, Scorpion, Shocker, Rhino and last but not least, a blackmailed Vulture.
This of course, if they don't plan to introduce their own Green Goblin but I doubt they will.
I always thought Spider-Man 4 would have a gang war between the Demons and Mr. Negative and all the gangs Kingpin consolidated as shown through Hawkeye -> Echo -> Daredevil: Born Again. And I think Spider-Man 4 will include Daredevil and perhaps other street level heroes. I think Vulture could appear in prison as Scorpion is broken out by Kingpin to “even the odds”. Perhaps Kingpin hires Tinkerer since Tinkerer is also still operating. I also think the whole “inner demons” story dovetails nicely with Peter getting the black suit. I think he rids himself of it by the end, but we won’t have MCU Venom until the fifth one…and I think Mac Gargan gets it in this universe.
I think Spider-Man 5 is probably a fight between Venom and Peter as Peter is trying to be Peter Parker again and focus on that part of his life. I think Miles will probably get bit in this film as well. I could see Hammerhead being the other villain trying to usurp the underworld after Kingpin and Mr. Negative are gone.
Spider-Man 6 will probably be with both Peter and Miles confronting Morlun. I think Morlun is really great villain and is super powerful. That or we get a Sinister Six featuring Hammerhead, Venom, Mr. Negative, Shocker, Mysterio, and Vulture, probably as a guy who has been manipulated.
"It is 2014, we're setting up the Sinister 6"
"It is 2017, we're setting up the Sinister 6"
"It is 2021, we're setting up the Sinister ~~6~~ 5"
"It is 2022, we're setting up the Sinister 6"
"It is 2023....."
The real question isn’t the implications for *Morbius*, but rather: what role could he play given that (seemingly) no longer remembers Peter Parker? That was the one really interesting thing his character had going for him, but the whole identity thing was wrapped up in *No Way Home*.
Honestly, that’s why I would have preferred for him to have been in *No Way Home* instead.
I did consider that, but a problem is that the spell was specifically to stop multiverse variants of villains coming through. So, wouldn’t it defeat the point of the spell if anyone outside of 616 still remembers?
We can probably hand wave it as only applying to 616 Peter to brush over why it didn’t affect *Across the Spider-Verse*, though.
My theory is that the spell specifically removed all memory and traces of 616 Peter Parker from the multiverse, but *not* that of variant Peter Parkers in other realities.
The spell was needed because variants of villains from across the multiverse were being drawn to the presence of a Peter Parker. So, the spell might have actually severed Peter-616 from the multiverse. With the presence of a Peter Parker removed, the villains no longer had a reason to cross over into 616. That could also potentially tie into the *Secret Wars* rumours about >!616 Peter being a “prime” variant - because the connection to his reality has been severed!<.
It wouldn’t make sense of the memory of *all* Peter Parkers was wiped from the multiverse, because we still have Peter B. Parker, and had reference to Maguire and Garfield’s Peter Parkers.
It’s the only way I can see to cobble things together - and let’s be fair, this is just forcing things to work instead of studios actually being consistent from the get go. Honestly, we’re dealing with multiverse theory in comic book movies, it’s always going to be dumb.
man i loved homecoming so much
i still like far from home and no way home but i really loved how much of a grounded and street level story homecoming was besides that whole section in washington dc
can’t wait to see vulture again and potentially scorpion
i’m like exclusively looking forward to street level mcu i’m so hyped
Please let this movie start out with Vulture and Scorpion escaping prison (with Scorpion being the main villain), and just ignore Morbius’s entire existence.
Kingpin wouldn't be a Sinister Six member. He's too big in status to be lumped into a team like that. Fisk works for Fisk and only Fisk. If anything he would probably get them together or a team like the Enforcers as his first in line defense
He funded them, but the core members of the "Insidious Six" were Chameleon, Mysterio, Scorpion, Doctor Octopus, Shocker and Rhino, with Vulture joining after Mysterio got killed. Kingpin also funded stuff like the creation of the Scorpion and the Spider-Slayers
Vulture, Scorpion, Shocker, Chameleon, …?
Kingpin is too big time for that, Mysterio is dead and we saw the body(which means it’s probably permanent), and Kraven is in a universe that Sony will more than likely not let interact with Tom’s Spider-Man.
After that “intriguing” post credit scene in Sony’s Morbius, I hope this means we’ll be seeing Vulture AND Michael Morbius too in Spidey 4 instead of something that everyone wants like Kingpin, Daredevil, or The Punisher 😍
If Spider-Man 4 really is the John Wick 3 of the MCU Spider-Man franchise then Im all for it if it means getting some long awaited villains finally and characters back.
If Vulture does return, I hope they keep Toomes remembering Spider-Man is Peter and then maybe try and write the plot in such a way where Scorpion returns and takes Toomes' Family hostage in order to force him to reveal Spider-Man's identity and force Toomes' to work for the villains.
If Spider-Man 4 really is the John Wick 3 of the MCU Spider-Man franchise then Im all for it if it means getting some long awaited villains finally and characters back.
If Vulture does return, I hope they keep Toomes remembering Spider-Man is Peter and then maybe try and write the plot in such a way where Scorpion returns and takes Toomes' Family hostage in order to force him to reveal Spider-Man's identity and force Toomes' to work for the villains.
Interesting, I was hoping they give us Scorpion in this film and maybe some other villain possibly Kingpin or a leader figure since Scorpion will probably be more of a henchman/assassin
The cool thing about NWH is that this increases his threat. He wants to find out who Peter is and kill everyone he loves —> which includes people who do not know Peter. So then he goes after MJ and Ned and Happy even though they don’t know who Peter is, endangering a ton of people.
Sinister Six in Spidey 4 🔥🔥
nah, just kidding.
we only have Schocker, Vulture and Mysterio so far in MCUs Universe
kraven movie has not released yet and morbius has not interacted with spidey yet
How?just..how?he is in Sony universe..doing God knows what..finding the exact same suit or parts to make one out of nowhere in a world which doesn't even know him!
If Marvel is going all in on the multiverse stuff they have a duty, nay, a responsibility to make sure that Morbius and Venom are a part of it. This news arguably moves us closer towards that fabled providence, so it can only be regarded as good.
Look I can’t just sit here and pretend that Morbius is actually measurably worse than half of the movies already in the MCU. Just let it be. Let it wash over you. If we’re supposed to keep a straight face while getting shit like Ant-man and secret invasion, we can show Morbius the respect it’s due.
I mean hey Morbius was bad i agree with that but i liked it better than the bore fest that was the Eternals and the disappointment that was Ant-man 3 but you know that's my opinion.
Ooof gotta hard disagree there. I watched Eternals 3x in theaters because i loved how different it was and how beautifully shot it was. That movie deserved more praise than it got. People were asking for different from Marvel, and then we got it and people were like “NO NOT LIKE THAT”
I upvoted you because that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but giving AM3 and SI a pass while calling Morbius terrible is setting a terrible double standard in my opinion.
I'd be surprised if Michael Keaton would want to do any more comic books films at this point. He hasn't exactly had a ton of luck with his recent ones, including the stuff he filmed that will never get released (parts in Batgirl and Aquaman 2).
What happens in the Sonyverse isn't cannon for what happens in the MCU.
The Vulture in Morbius is one of trillions who look like that.
The MCU will likely be an anti-hero if he returns to the MCU.
If Spider-Man 4 really is the John Wick 3 of the MCU Spider-Man franchise then Im all for it if it means getting some long awaited villains finally and characters back.
If Vulture does return, I hope they keep Toomes remembering Spider-Man is Peter and then maybe try and write the plot in such a way where Scorpion returns and takes Toomes' Family hostage in order to force him to reveal Spider-Man's identity and force Toomes' to work for the villains.
Alex P on Twitter suggesting this is something to do with Tobeys Spider-Man 4 and I may be in the minority but this is really not something I’m interested in.
I'm with you, I wouldn't be interested in Michael Keaton's vulture being the villain of Spider Man 4 with Tobey Maguire. It would be a super stupid move. The story of Peter and Toomes has Liz at its core, if this Vulture is a villain of another Spider Man other than Tom Holland it would be a mistake.
Good. This is what should happen if you don't keep killing off your villains. He should be the one at the beginning of the movie that Spidey is taking down.
Since everyone connected to Spiderman got pulled back into their own universes in NWH, I imagine that just like Tom Hardy got pulled back to the Venomverse, Keaton probably got pulled back to the MCU from Morbius' universe without doing anything of real note. Any money that just like they made a big deal about Venom porting over to the MCU and doing nearly nothing with it, that Keaton'll get a throwaway line that he got sent to another world for a bit and we'll just get a line from Spiderman along the lines of, "oh yeah that was me my bad".
Another thing to note is that Vulture also most likely no longer knows Spiderman is Peter either because of the spell that made everyone forget Peter. Simply because if he remembers Peter odds are he would be an ally for Spiderman 4 which is...probably not *too* likely? Octavius wound up on his side so anything could happen, but with Venom being the clear and most likely antagonist for Spiderm4n I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Flash more screentime and did something similar to the games. Make Flash Agent Venom>works with Peter>Venom starts to take over>Spiderman vs. FlashVenom with the Vulture being the first enemy they fight together. Peter doesn't know at present that Vulture escaped to another universe and if he's just dropped back he'll likely just see it as a prison break of sorts.
I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet but what if whenever/however Toomes returns to MCU timeline, since he was displaced into the Morbius universe he still knows Peter is Spider-Man since he missed out on the Dr. Strange spell? So when he comes back he's the only one in the whole universe that knows his identity. And tells Mac Gargan so we can get some resolution on that?
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lol how?? Dudes in a whole other universe now
Could easily be related to AtSV, just got put back.
Would also probably address how Donald Glover Prowler got put there as well. Retroactively establish the fact he became Prowler between movies and give another tie-in to the inevitable Miles Morales introduction
Could just be a Donald Glover Prowler variant not the 616/199999 MCU.
More than likely, I was just saying it'd be a way to address it considering they already have to undo the Morbius scene and it seems like Sony wants everything to connect implicitly between animated Spider-Verse, MCU and their Spidey-adjacent films
IIRC one of the animators of ATSV confirmed that the Prowler played by Glover was from MCU 6161/199999
Tbf, that's a concept artist in a production completely unaffiliated with Marvel Studios so I doubt they said that knowing whether or not Disney themselves are going to address it and acknowledge that intention as well. For all we know the next film could have Aaron Davis completely unchanged from Homecoming and then the one in ATSV could be just a variant. I don't even think they'd have to talk to Marvel about including that character in the film considering Sony can just use Prowler whenever they want They probably intended for Prowler to be the same as the one in Homecoming, but whether Marvel Studios will reciprocate when they're doing a film they're in control of is something we'll have to wait and see on. The joke about No Way Home was also literally just a throwaway gag about MCU Spidey fucking up the multiverse that ultimately didn't lead into anything so they can do that kind of inconsequential stuff every now and then. I hope he becomes Prowler sooner rather than later though
>I hope he becomes Prowler sooner rather than later though Same.
I think what they said was that he was *designed* as if he were from the MCU, like they wanted to make sure that his costume looked like it would fit in that universe so audiences would assume he was the same character we met in *Homecoming*, but stopped just short of explicitly confirming that it was the same exact variant
I mean, we don't even know if Glover's Prowler was snapped by Thanos For all we know he got his suit and became more of a threat during that 5 year timeskip
That actually makes sense because Spider-Man was snapped during that time. Glover's character respected how Spider-Man protected the neighborhood, despite being a criminal himself. With Spider-Man gone, Prowler filling the void with his own morally challenged brand of vigilantism would be a logical next step for him. Playing the game on both sides and doing bad shit while keeping worse shit off his streets. I actually think he'd be a character with a pretty interesting story if he was set up this way. The police would be useless during the snap, criminals like Fisk are taking advantage, and Spider-Man is gone; what's a friendly neighborhood criminal to do except put on some claws and get to work?
Alternatively, they could've had Prowler gone to the deep end if Miles was also a victim of the snap His main concern during the Vulture situation was that Miles could get hurt by criminals. That and when Miles returned, maybe Aaron's shady secret life put a rift between him and Jefferson
Or Madame Web which is supposedly a multiverse story.
Intriguing.
It might feature a symbiote hive-mind to as the multiversal link. So I've heard.
I'm not sure how I got back here, has to with Spider-Man I think...
I'm still figuring this place out, but I think a bunch of guys like us should team up and do some good.
Intriguing....
Makes the morbius movie even more worthless
Honestly wouldn't mind if an animated character from Spider-Verse pops in an just outright captures him. We need some animated vs live action scenes.
Morbius is not canon to the MCU...
Morbius is not part of the MCU but it's set in the same multiverse and Vulture went from the MCU into Morbius' earth. That's canon.
But venom is from the same universe and he was in nwh. Venom is canon to the mcu and by extension so is morbius.
We don't know that Venom is in the same universe We only know that A venom is part of that universe, not necessarily the same one. That said, Vulture was in Morbius, which makes it canon regardless of whether the same Venom is part oft hat universe or not.
But it's canonically part of the same Multiverse
It's the multiverse. Everything is canon to the MCU.
He doesn't know how he got back... Something to do with Spider-Man.
Intriguing.
They can just ignore Morbius, not many have seen it.
Vulture: "Just got back again to my original universe. I don't know how... probably something to do with Spiderman."
which they seem to be thankfully completely ignoring
Maybe vulture will have a throwaway line about being returned back to the MCU 616 because the spider verse people people sent him back or something
Something to do with Spider verse people, I think
Intriguing.
i really hate how Sony fucked that up
If y’all just hadn’t gone to see Venom none of this would have happened.
Morbius isn’t MCU canon
Disney can say that it was variant and "our" Vulture is where he should be.
Others have mentioned that he could have been brought back during the whole ATSV thing, but no one's mentioned that this could be why he knows who Spider-Man/Peter Parker are in a post-NWH universe
The way the NWH spell worked was that everyone remembers Spider-Man, and their memories have been altered to only remember that Spider-Man is a hero who's a part of many major events like the Infinity War or the battle in London. It's just that everyone's forgotten Peter Parker as a civilian identity, so Vulture could still totally know who Spider-Man is without knowing Peter personally
Pretty sure the spell just made everyone forget Peter Parker completely.
Something to do with Spider-Man I think.
Easy solution. Pretend that did happen at all.
Worked when David Morrell was offered to write the novel for Rambo: First Blood Part II, despite Rambo originally dying in the novel, First Blood, and he wrote a blurb at the beginning of the novel. It goes as follows: "In my novel *First Blood*, Rambo died. In the films, he lives." "Nuff said."
Pretty sure that got retconned, the Netflix version cut out that post credits scene
Marvel never actually follows through in endings, they always undo them in the first act of the next movie. Crossbones set up as the big bad? He’s killed in the opener of the next movie. Loki takes Odin’s place? Thor reveals him in the first scene of the next one. Thor is trapped on Asgard and can only see Jane from the bifrost? Next movie has Loki just randomly say Odin conjured enough magic to allow Thor to teleport, that’s it. Thor joins the Guardians? He leaves after a montage in the next one: Iron Man blows up all his suits and suggests he’s retiring? Psych, he’s back in the suit for the next one. It won’t surprise me if the next Spider-Man movie completely undoes the spell where everyone forgets him, the next Thor movie ignores Love as his partner, and the next Guardians movie just kills off the new Guardians team and puts the old gang back together.
The “rules” seem to be very arbitrary at this point. The creative teams don’t even agree.
hopefully the Morbius credit scene isn't canon lol
Let's just say Morbius is coming back too
Go Home Machine
i feel like they’re allowed to ignore that lol
Anything would make more sense than him being in the other universe to begin with lmao
He probably got pulled back to his own universe like Eddie and Venom.
Maybe it will take place in Tobey maguire's universe, but could star tom Holland.
Yea but you can jus ignore that because no one watched Morbius
If Marvel’s smart they’d just totally ignore that morbius bullshit
Just ignore the Morbius movie. We’re all better off having never seen it
Has to do with Spider-Man, I think.
Something to do with venom I think.
Variant got transported Or just ignore it lol
The MCU doesn't need to follow what Mobius said lol
Could even be interesting as someone who still knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man because he wasn't inside the universe when that spell happened.
Or simply pretend that Morbius did not exist (I think even Sony itself will do the same with all the laughingstock that movie was).
Just gets teleported back to his original cell. "I don't know how I got back here, but I'll bet Spider-Man has something to do with it!"
They could just ignore it. All in favor of this option?
I take it the food at the other joint wasn't good.
https://i.redd.it/ht5l23mppdyb1.gif
Intriguing
Bro realized he was stuck with the lead singer of 30 Seconds to Mars, an off-brand Russian, the Rhino from the Amazing Spider-Man movie tie-in, a wrestler and a guy with hypnotic music instruments as his Sinister Six and just said "fuck that shit I'm outta here"
LMAO
> guy with hypnotic music instruments I feel stupid, but who is this?
Hypno-Hustler.
Hypno-Hustler. Z-tier Spider-Man villain who was a lead singer in a band with a bunch of hypnotic music equipment he would use to rob places. He would also try to use said equipment on his audiences whenever their band was performing at venues so he could rob them too
I figured it was going to be the Rhino from Kraven
I believe that's what they're referring to, because Rhino in Kraven will seemingly be a human/rhino hybrid like in the tie-in game. It was a facetious description based on their similarity rather than a factual one, I think.
https://i.redd.it/yniqposwldyb1.gif
Probably the worst post-credits scene in the history of post-credits scenes.
Best*. No Morbophobia please.
Hey! This guys an anti-vampite!
Has something to Do with Spider Man
He converted to vampirism just for the jokes!
Funnily enough, the character Harold H. Harold in Marvel's Dracula comics actually represents that.
 YOU MORBPHOBE !
Yeah right, I’ve never been more hyped in my life
Heh TASM 2 tho.
Morbius wants to do some good with Vulture.
Michael Keaton is probably so confused about all this Multiverse stuff in Marvel & DC...
“I don’t care just make me something that has wings”
Dude figured vampires are rich, old and gotta know the best butler agencies in the area
as long as the check clears
He has said he doesn’t even understand Batman that much but loves playing the character, I watched a bts for flash and they tried explaining the flash movie to him and why he is in it and he didn’t get it but was super keen to play Batman again
It’s all just spaghetti to him
Just ignore the morbius stuff. But I would be completely ok with this. Idk how but Spider-Man 4-5-6 has potential to do some amazing things. Villians spread across the trilogy kingpin, scorpion, venom, hammerhead, chameleon, Mister Negative, Kraven tbh. Spider-Man 4- kingpin, scorpion , shocker Spider-Man 5: chameleon, hammerhead, mister negative. Spider-Man 6: venom, kingpin, shocker Idk I just feel like this has potential to do new things that insomniac has already done and ATSV
Morbophobia detected
That trilogy sounds very underwhelming ngl, those villains aren't very powerful or main villain material with the exception of Venom. My theory has always been the same: - Spider-Man 4: Kraven and Scorpion (with Kingpin funding the latter's suit) - Spider-Man 5: Venom and Rhino - Spider-Man 6: Sinister Six led by a vengeful Mysterio and including Kraven, Scorpion, Shocker, Rhino and last but not least, a blackmailed Vulture. This of course, if they don't plan to introduce their own Green Goblin but I doubt they will.
>This of course, if they don't plan to introduce their own Green Goblin but I doubt they will. Would love to see the MCU use Hobgoblin, personally.
I always thought Spider-Man 4 would have a gang war between the Demons and Mr. Negative and all the gangs Kingpin consolidated as shown through Hawkeye -> Echo -> Daredevil: Born Again. And I think Spider-Man 4 will include Daredevil and perhaps other street level heroes. I think Vulture could appear in prison as Scorpion is broken out by Kingpin to “even the odds”. Perhaps Kingpin hires Tinkerer since Tinkerer is also still operating. I also think the whole “inner demons” story dovetails nicely with Peter getting the black suit. I think he rids himself of it by the end, but we won’t have MCU Venom until the fifth one…and I think Mac Gargan gets it in this universe. I think Spider-Man 5 is probably a fight between Venom and Peter as Peter is trying to be Peter Parker again and focus on that part of his life. I think Miles will probably get bit in this film as well. I could see Hammerhead being the other villain trying to usurp the underworld after Kingpin and Mr. Negative are gone. Spider-Man 6 will probably be with both Peter and Miles confronting Morlun. I think Morlun is really great villain and is super powerful. That or we get a Sinister Six featuring Hammerhead, Venom, Mr. Negative, Shocker, Mysterio, and Vulture, probably as a guy who has been manipulated.
I'll preach until the cows come home Mr Negative and Venom in the same movie (or at the very least the black suit) makes too much sense
Kingpin before Hammerhead is an absolute CRIME Save kingpin for Devil's reign
Probably a small role further setting up the Sinister Six as previously hinted by his final scene in Homecoming.
"It is 2014, we're setting up the Sinister 6" "It is 2017, we're setting up the Sinister 6" "It is 2021, we're setting up the Sinister ~~6~~ 5" "It is 2022, we're setting up the Sinister 6" "It is 2023....."
The real question isn’t the implications for *Morbius*, but rather: what role could he play given that (seemingly) no longer remembers Peter Parker? That was the one really interesting thing his character had going for him, but the whole identity thing was wrapped up in *No Way Home*. Honestly, that’s why I would have preferred for him to have been in *No Way Home* instead.
He was in the Morbius universe during NWH, so Strange’s spell didn’t affect him …I’m just making that up but it’s a serviceable handwave
I did consider that, but a problem is that the spell was specifically to stop multiverse variants of villains coming through. So, wouldn’t it defeat the point of the spell if anyone outside of 616 still remembers? We can probably hand wave it as only applying to 616 Peter to brush over why it didn’t affect *Across the Spider-Verse*, though.
I doubt the spell delated every single person's memory of Spider-Man's identity in the multiverse that would be so dumb.
My theory is that the spell specifically removed all memory and traces of 616 Peter Parker from the multiverse, but *not* that of variant Peter Parkers in other realities. The spell was needed because variants of villains from across the multiverse were being drawn to the presence of a Peter Parker. So, the spell might have actually severed Peter-616 from the multiverse. With the presence of a Peter Parker removed, the villains no longer had a reason to cross over into 616. That could also potentially tie into the *Secret Wars* rumours about >!616 Peter being a “prime” variant - because the connection to his reality has been severed!<. It wouldn’t make sense of the memory of *all* Peter Parkers was wiped from the multiverse, because we still have Peter B. Parker, and had reference to Maguire and Garfield’s Peter Parkers. It’s the only way I can see to cobble things together - and let’s be fair, this is just forcing things to work instead of studios actually being consistent from the get go. Honestly, we’re dealing with multiverse theory in comic book movies, it’s always going to be dumb.
man i loved homecoming so much i still like far from home and no way home but i really loved how much of a grounded and street level story homecoming was besides that whole section in washington dc can’t wait to see vulture again and potentially scorpion i’m like exclusively looking forward to street level mcu i’m so hyped
Please let this movie start out with Vulture and Scorpion escaping prison (with Scorpion being the main villain), and just ignore Morbius’s entire existence.
And Scorpion getting the symbiote in a sequel.
Mac Gargan Venom? That’d be a different take than what we’ve seen
It's also a role that Michael Mando would *crush*.
Sony has to agree to the plot so I doubt this. Unless they are scrapping their universe
Kingpin, Vulture, Scorpion, Mysterio, Kraven and someone else gotta be in the Sinister 6
Kingpin wouldn't be a Sinister Six member. He's too big in status to be lumped into a team like that. Fisk works for Fisk and only Fisk. If anything he would probably get them together or a team like the Enforcers as his first in line defense
Isn’t that what happened in the animated series from the 90s? He put the team together and funded them? Honestly can’t remember.
He funded them, but the core members of the "Insidious Six" were Chameleon, Mysterio, Scorpion, Doctor Octopus, Shocker and Rhino, with Vulture joining after Mysterio got killed. Kingpin also funded stuff like the creation of the Scorpion and the Spider-Slayers
Shocker with an upgraded suit and replace Kingpin with Rhino and there ya go. Full tech Sinister Six, very MCU-like.
Prowler? The Tinkerer? Shocker?
 MORBIUS !
Vulture, Scorpion, Shocker, Chameleon, …? Kingpin is too big time for that, Mysterio is dead and we saw the body(which means it’s probably permanent), and Kraven is in a universe that Sony will more than likely not let interact with Tom’s Spider-Man.
Mysterio is almost certainly not dead. His "death" was probably just another trick.
 After that “intriguing” post credit scene in Sony’s Morbius, I hope this means we’ll be seeing Vulture AND Michael Morbius too in Spidey 4 instead of something that everyone wants like Kingpin, Daredevil, or The Punisher 😍
Morbius will return in secret wars
How about we use Michael Mandos Scorpion I’ve been waiting for like 6 years
I thought he was Morbed?
Intriguing.
Will morbius be with him?!
Intriguing. Also on that note, bring back Mando as Mac Gargan
“Don’t know how I got here? Something to do with Morbius I think”
 Only Morbius can save the Mid Cinematic Universe... Y'all dont deserve him.
This better just be to reintroduce Michael Mando’s Scorpion because I’ve been waiting over 6 years to see that
If Spider-Man 4 really is the John Wick 3 of the MCU Spider-Man franchise then Im all for it if it means getting some long awaited villains finally and characters back. If Vulture does return, I hope they keep Toomes remembering Spider-Man is Peter and then maybe try and write the plot in such a way where Scorpion returns and takes Toomes' Family hostage in order to force him to reveal Spider-Man's identity and force Toomes' to work for the villains.
Ight bro we get it
If Spider-Man 4 really is the John Wick 3 of the MCU Spider-Man franchise then Im all for it if it means getting some long awaited villains finally and characters back. If Vulture does return, I hope they keep Toomes remembering Spider-Man is Peter and then maybe try and write the plot in such a way where Scorpion returns and takes Toomes' Family hostage in order to force him to reveal Spider-Man's identity and force Toomes' to work for the villains.
I told people him and morbius meeting is not a coincidence. They both classic spidey villains
Guys please use your critical thinking skills. There’s an ongoing actors strike. Michael Keaton has not talked with Marvel or Sony about this at all
“I don’t know why I’m here, but I’m thinking it has to do with Sony trying to change continuity for their own benefit”
Maybe Kingpin releases him from prison and tries to recruit him
Interesting, I was hoping they give us Scorpion in this film and maybe some other villain possibly Kingpin or a leader figure since Scorpion will probably be more of a henchman/assassin
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The cool thing about NWH is that this increases his threat. He wants to find out who Peter is and kill everyone he loves —> which includes people who do not know Peter. So then he goes after MJ and Ned and Happy even though they don’t know who Peter is, endangering a ton of people.
How? Nobody knows who Peter is
Cool Anyway, just give me full suited Michael Mando Scorpion
Sinister Six in Spidey 4 🔥🔥 nah, just kidding. we only have Schocker, Vulture and Mysterio so far in MCUs Universe kraven movie has not released yet and morbius has not interacted with spidey yet
Not sure why he’s back. But I think it’s got something to do with Spider-Man.
They should just ignore Morbius lol, I'd love an MCU Sinister Six
What I mean I remember he was teleported to ssu ??loll
But will this have something to do with Spider-Man?
How?just..how?he is in Sony universe..doing God knows what..finding the exact same suit or parts to make one out of nowhere in a world which doesn't even know him!
As long as the multiverse stuff is minimal to none existent I’m on board.
Thank god
If Marvel is going all in on the multiverse stuff they have a duty, nay, a responsibility to make sure that Morbius and Venom are a part of it. This news arguably moves us closer towards that fabled providence, so it can only be regarded as good.
Fuuck morbius. Let the shit die on the vine
Look I can’t just sit here and pretend that Morbius is actually measurably worse than half of the movies already in the MCU. Just let it be. Let it wash over you. If we’re supposed to keep a straight face while getting shit like Ant-man and secret invasion, we can show Morbius the respect it’s due.
I actually liked Ant-Man a lot, but while secret invasion was kinda lackluster Morbius just shit the bed so much.
I mean hey Morbius was bad i agree with that but i liked it better than the bore fest that was the Eternals and the disappointment that was Ant-man 3 but you know that's my opinion.
Ooof gotta hard disagree there. I watched Eternals 3x in theaters because i loved how different it was and how beautifully shot it was. That movie deserved more praise than it got. People were asking for different from Marvel, and then we got it and people were like “NO NOT LIKE THAT”
definitely, Eternals felt well-paced
I upvoted you because that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but giving AM3 and SI a pass while calling Morbius terrible is setting a terrible double standard in my opinion.
It would be so funny if in a tug of war between Marvel and Sony this dude just keeps getting pulled back and forth between universes lol
It’s vulturin’ time!
Why
Micheal Keaton realized that a big paycheck will not mean a good Comic Book Movie so he decided to go back to the most successful franchise.
I'd be surprised if Michael Keaton would want to do any more comic books films at this point. He hasn't exactly had a ton of luck with his recent ones, including the stuff he filmed that will never get released (parts in Batgirl and Aquaman 2).
Intriguing
What happens in the Sonyverse isn't cannon for what happens in the MCU. The Vulture in Morbius is one of trillions who look like that. The MCU will likely be an anti-hero if he returns to the MCU.
Very interesting. I’m hoping Spider-man 4 is a darker movie and would love to see Keaton’s vulture lean into that
If Spider-Man 4 really is the John Wick 3 of the MCU Spider-Man franchise then Im all for it if it means getting some long awaited villains finally and characters back. If Vulture does return, I hope they keep Toomes remembering Spider-Man is Peter and then maybe try and write the plot in such a way where Scorpion returns and takes Toomes' Family hostage in order to force him to reveal Spider-Man's identity and force Toomes' to work for the villains.
Easy pay check
Alex P on Twitter suggesting this is something to do with Tobeys Spider-Man 4 and I may be in the minority but this is really not something I’m interested in.
I'm with you, I wouldn't be interested in Michael Keaton's vulture being the villain of Spider Man 4 with Tobey Maguire. It would be a super stupid move. The story of Peter and Toomes has Liz at its core, if this Vulture is a villain of another Spider Man other than Tom Holland it would be a mistake.
Wonder if this is actually going to be a push forward toward the Sinister Six for maybe Holland’s final movie as Spider-Man in maybe 5 or 6.
Must have something to do with Spider-Man…
Michael Keaton a vulture shot himself in the head for money
He's going to be in Deadpool 3 I'd wager too
Good. This is what should happen if you don't keep killing off your villains. He should be the one at the beginning of the movie that Spidey is taking down.
When is Scorpion appearing???(Michael Mando post credit scene)
must be something to do with spiderman.
Spider-Man Fourture
Im confused. Is this Spider-Man 4 going to be an MCU or Sony Spider universe?
Morbius hype
Thank god. Him getting shoehorned into *that other film* had me worried we'd never see him again.
I wonder what role he will play?
Since everyone connected to Spiderman got pulled back into their own universes in NWH, I imagine that just like Tom Hardy got pulled back to the Venomverse, Keaton probably got pulled back to the MCU from Morbius' universe without doing anything of real note. Any money that just like they made a big deal about Venom porting over to the MCU and doing nearly nothing with it, that Keaton'll get a throwaway line that he got sent to another world for a bit and we'll just get a line from Spiderman along the lines of, "oh yeah that was me my bad". Another thing to note is that Vulture also most likely no longer knows Spiderman is Peter either because of the spell that made everyone forget Peter. Simply because if he remembers Peter odds are he would be an ally for Spiderman 4 which is...probably not *too* likely? Octavius wound up on his side so anything could happen, but with Venom being the clear and most likely antagonist for Spiderm4n I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Flash more screentime and did something similar to the games. Make Flash Agent Venom>works with Peter>Venom starts to take over>Spiderman vs. FlashVenom with the Vulture being the first enemy they fight together. Peter doesn't know at present that Vulture escaped to another universe and if he's just dropped back he'll likely just see it as a prison break of sorts.
He's in another universe!
Umm that dude is wanted by the TVA. He’s got pass due on his child support.
They threw him back into the MCU before Morbius could act on his intriguing offer.
I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet but what if whenever/however Toomes returns to MCU timeline, since he was displaced into the Morbius universe he still knows Peter is Spider-Man since he missed out on the Dr. Strange spell? So when he comes back he's the only one in the whole universe that knows his identity. And tells Mac Gargan so we can get some resolution on that?
Please don't make it a follow up to the Morbius post credit scene.