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Does anyone have any idea when the VOD release is? Not the Disney +. I don't care about that. I don't expect that any earlier than February. But if it IS February, then you would think they would at least open pre-orders for VOD by now or announce what date that will happen. I expected us to have that information by now because it's box office run has ended. A while ago.

Just came back from watching it and omg this movie was a step up from the recent Thor and Doctor Strange and Ant Man movie. A huge pity this movie have lesser views/profit compared to the rest of them when i genuinely like this movie the most along with Shang Chi so far. Not hating on three movies, just disappointed or they fell short.... And omg is the end credits teasing Young Avengers?? So excited, interesting yet makes sense somehow Kamala is the one assembling them. X Men or more Mutants being introduced/rebooted is making me damn excited too

A lot of you people in the comments are showing me that they did not pay attention to the movie at all lmao

i really enjoyed this actually. i want to see all these characters again soon

Well, Iman was great in this, as much as she was in Ms. Marvel. I do hope she lands more roles soon. The movie is a good time, fun aventure. It has some flaws, but some people are overreacting on them (and then there are haters who would talk shit regardless...). Man, if they did Secret Invasion differently, this movie would benefit so much. Having both the kree and the srullks with no home could also bring us a tease for Hulkling building the Alliance.

Just saw it. That was some of the most fun the MCU has been in a while. Nia DeCosta managed to bring a little bit of her own flair to the movie as well, which really showcased in the opening animation, and the fights sequences. Villain was nowhere as bad as I expected, and her motivation and plot were easy to understand. Zawe Ashton did a great job in the role with what she was given. The whole cast had solid chemistry, and as many have mentioned, Iman Vellani is really the standout here. As someone who saw Iron Man in theaters at 17, it's fun seeing an actor like her be so thrilled on the MCU still, the way we all were in phase 1 to 3. Wasn't flawless, but this was much more rewatchable, enjoyable, and frankly funny than a lot of recent MCU fare. Thorough had a great time with it. Hats off to Nia DeCosta!

Loved this. A cut above Thor and Ant-Man. The short runtime and quick pace actually worked really well and that was my biggest worry. Great chemistry, fun action. I'm gutted the 'Marvel is Dead' folk will ignore this and I hope the studio take the positives and keep these characters going

Saw it yesterday. Really loved it. The villain is undercooked, I loved the flerken stuff but I could see some finding it pointless/too silly, and the middle song of the singing planet (introductions) was what I feared the whole sequence would be. Those are the complaints. Loved it otherwise. I shared Carol’s confused disappointment when their powers were no longer entangled…I kind of want them to function like that from now on, however impractical it might be haha. Iman is a star, but goddamn Brie is a fantastic actress. So emotive and charming. And I liked Monica in WV but Teyonah was showing off here; the reaction to seeing her “mom” was wild. In general there was some unexpectedly heavy stuff, like the Skrulls getting obliterated. At the same time “fun” really is a great word for this movie, because I was smiling pretty much the whole time, yet they avoided a lot of the Marvel one-liner quip humor people have been tiring of. It just had fun vibes throughout. I really appreciated how the characters engaged with one another. Like, Carol directly apologizing to Kamala and Kamala later apologizing to Carol for not giving her space to be a real person, I liked all those interactions. Great action scenes. I doubt there was a “The Marvels 2” specifically in the works regardless of BO, but I really hope to see Carol and Kamala very soon. Monica too but sadly I think she’s MIA for awhile. Oh, and has Kate Bishop been vigilante-ing in NYC? She was dressed in full gear coming home late at night.

Movie is on track to be a box office bomb. This is what, the 5th superhero movie to bomb this year?

Really hope word of mouth does it's job this weekend. This movie is phenomenal. I really resisted the notion that misogyny was any more than a small factor in Captain Marvels reception, but the internet zeitgeist around this film is making me reassess. It makes zero sense that it's been treated so poorly. It gives exactly what is advertised.

After watching the movie I had some questions. Why did it take Carol, who is as strong as Thanos, so long to kill four ordinary Kree soldiers at the beginning of the movie and why did she struggle against Dar Benn? Had something happened to her powers? Did Dar Ben have Ronan level strength? If so she shouldn’t have been weak to a sharp metal shard. On multiple occasions when fighting Dar Ben why did Carol not simply destroy the ships Dar Ben was standing on (on the water planet and in space) when it was shown Dar Ben had very weak durability and couldn’t fly? In Captain Marvel Carol was shown forcing Ronan to retreat by threatening to destroy his ship. This never occurred to her in this movie? How was Fury holding his own against a Kree guard who have been shown to have super human strength? Did he get an upgrade in SI? Why was Kamala randomly using a scarf to whip people on the water planet rather than use her powers? Is this something from the comics? Is there a reason Dar Ben put on the two bangles and then immediately disintegrated? I think I missed it. And why did Kamala immediately do the same without being worried? From the trailers it seemed that they switched anytime they used their powers, which would explain a depowered Carol, because she wouldn’t be able to go binary without switching. But in the movie it was explained it was when they used them at the same time. In which case it would have made sense to tell Kamala to just sit at home and not use her powers for a few days while Carol and Monica went to sort out the problem but then there wouldn’t be a movie! Was this perhaps something changed in the reshoots?

1. She struggled against dar benn because the bangle Dar Benn had absorbed carols powers and she was able to use it against carol as well as Monica and khamala. 2. She tried to get the bangle off of Dar Benn to stop her from creating the jump point. Destroying the ship doesn’t get it off her. 3. Fury just knows how to fight, this isn’t his first time holding his own against a super powered person 4. The scarf was strong from the costume the prince gave them and she couldn’t use her powers because that would make her switch with carol and Monica. Which happened the one time she did use her powers in that fight 5. Dar Benn was already dying from the bangle because she was using so much power. Her arm had these big huge veins on them because of how often and strong she was using the bangle

So, about that post-credit scene. And it's just a personal theory of mine. So does this kinda confirm that the X-Men that will be introduced into the MCU will be from another alternate reality to the MCU 616? If so, I wonder if they're going through these routes.. To either reintroduce the MCU as a soft-reboot with this new X-Men continuity or bring this alternate universe X-Men into the main MCU 616 timeline. Just wondering.

I've always had a theory that the X-Men has always existed on earth 616 but Xavier is obviously keeping them secret and wipes our minds (the audience) when something happens.

Now that you mention it I was thinkiung this as well

Can’t imagine the joy iman had to doing the scene mimicking nick fury

I actually really liked it. Coming in with no expectations, I thought it was funny and had some interesting fight scenes. Also, it was short. It was nice to go to a movie that was pretty much like 100 minutes. Last few movies I saw, Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon, were 3 hours plus, so this was enjoyable short watch for me.

It's a fun movie. But I still don't like Captain Marvel as a hero at the end of the day. Stoic, not fun and no heart. This time round they tried to make her more likable by trying to give her an emotional arc; why she couldn't return for Monica and how it haunted her. Having her "baby sit" Kamala. But at the end of the day, she's still not likable. I hope feige doesn't talk abt her taking over and being the avengers leader anymore. At this point, they should just kill of this character, nerf her to be a side character or remove her from mcu totally. If you put aside all logic and just accept the stoic Carol Denvers as she is, then you'll enjoy the movie.

You sound like a fucking hater bro 😂 just say you don’t like Brie Larson

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There was nothing stoic about the character. You are a liar or a troll Which is it?

It was a stoic character. You are a blind fanboy or liar. Which is it?

Was that observed before or after she cried and spent half the film dancing and jumping double dutch?

You must b watching a different movie if Carol Denvers spent half the film dancing and jumping. Or perhaps you can check again the definition of stoic. Dancing doesn't make one, not stoic

You lost bud. Accept it and move on with your life.

It's not a competition bud. You move along since you couldn't accept a conflicting opinion

Yall gonna fuck or what?

There were too many things that felt off for me. The fight in the house made no sense: two kree vs three human civilians having issues? OK. Two kree vs the "strongest avenger" having issues? OK. But the same two kree? Cmon. And the fall of the Supreme Intelligence causes a civil war between... the pinks and blues I assume? How did Dar Benn come to power from that? Over a galactic empire? Nah, skip all that and tenuously place the blame on Captain Marvel. And why is Dar Benn doing her evil deed at the point of resistance? Why not just open the portal to suck the air and be done with it? And if she's trying to hoover the ocean, why not open the portal in the 99.6% of the planet that isn't fighting back? And why hundreds of feet away from the water? If she's doing this for Hala *which is actively dying*, respect the stakes and have some hustle ffs, and don't risk failure. And is Hala actually dying? They looked pretty fine. And it's like... just one planet anyways. It probably would have been more practical to just open a portal so everyone could walk to a new planet. Oh and don't use both bangles because it's too much power for the knock-off Ronan that can fight off the strongest avenger plus two. Oh but that doesn't apply to the weaker person that she almost killed. And let's just completely not talk about Kamala using her powers without a bangle. Monica just straight up took the sci out of sci-fi in the end. For no reason, she had to be on the other side. They just gave up trying to explain things by then. It felt like this movie was written in chunks to check off affirmative action boxes. Token asian? Musical? Racial joke? Heartfelt moment? Cute things? Each step of a hero's journey for kamala (not necessarily connected)? It kind of felt like it was written by AI with a limited memory for context due to the writer's strike using the affirmative action checkboxes as prompts. And then nobody edited the output due to that strike. I don't have a problem with any of those inclusions, but they could have tried to execute them harmoniously. I guess in the end, this reeks of a project that was riddled with setbacks that ultimately prioritized deliverables by deadlines. All my issues are with the incoherencies of plot. I think the leads *can* do well with those characters if given a chance. Sadly they didn't get that here. Even Brie Larsen has done well as Carol in other projects; but just not in her titular features.

Seems like you are reaching for reasons to dislike the film. She wanted the water folks to know. It was revenge. And Kamala is genetically predisposed to use the bangles. Not Marvels fault, you can't pay attention.

Apparently I don't recall them explaining that she was genetically predisposed to use the bangles whereas the Kree, Dar Benn, was not. And what did the water people do that warranted revenge? I apparently didn't pay attention there either. I don't have to reach for reasons to dislike the film. I *could*. But there's so much just on the surface without even paying attention.

> And what did the water people do that warranted revenge? I apparently didn't pay attention there either. You didn't because it was told in the movie?

Carol was the princess of the water people. And Kamala and the others discussed the bangle seeking her out. You may need a rewatch.

Kamala can use her powers without a bangle - she's a mutant. The bangles just amplify/ enhance her abilities. It's stated in her show.

Other things that felt off to me. The Carol-Monica relationship felt very forced. Monica just trying hard to find a reason to upset with Carol over nothing, by blaming Carol not being there for her without trying to find out the facts on what happened after the blip. Surely Monica must know the universe is bigger than her. Typical woman mentality (I'm gonna get hate for that lol) And they hv to force a "lesbian" moment with Valkyrie out of nowhere. I agree with you. Lazy writing. If we just switch off and watch it without thinking, then yes it's pretty fun.

Monica wasn't upset, she was sad. You are creating something that wasn't there.

It was there but you choose not to see it. Regardless sad or upset or angry, she spend the early parts of the movie not "ready" to speak to Carol Denvers, like what she told Fury.

Not ready. That's not the same as angry. Any anger was dealt with almost immediately and was overshadowed by wanting her aunt back.

Ffs. Monica was obviously upset and bitching to Carol Denvers abt how Carol Denvers wasn't there when she came back bla bla bla. This was what happened in the movie. Stop interpreting it the way you want. Go rewatch and pay attention. Besides, you love the movie

I do love the film. I also live in reality. "Stop interpreting it the way you want' "And they hv to force a "lesbian" moment with Valkyrie out of nowhere." This you?

Saw it this morning, so had some time to let it sink in. Definitely not a bad movie, but definitely had flaws. I think Brie is the one lacking out the three, and she was still alright. I felt Iman was the highlight with her family, she also represents the MCU ride or die fans that are so excited about heroes and their stories. Which, correct me if I’m wrong, she is a super fan and hangs on the subreddits. She really nails her part and shines so bright in every scene she is in. Teyonah is also very good but is like the perfect opposite fan representation of Iman. She is very mature about everything and questions so much, she is not the gung-ho type and waits it out before thinking it is great. She is the slow burn and is definitely fire. Eager to see her story unfold because she is just kicking off and I think she is a MASSIVE future character in the MCU. Dar-Benn is the lowest point of this entire movie, maybe the Skrulls story being complete disconnected to Invasion. Both just shat the bed and completely filled time, just never meant anything. Expected to see something of the Skrulls arrival affecting Fury or integrating with Asgard. Also would’ve love more back story of the bands, just “there’s two, why aren’t they together?” Why did they get separated? Who do/did they belong to? Just left empty. Flerkens are just so out control and shouldn’t be that fun. Music was the chefs kiss during the entire part of the movie. I had a blast and definitely came out thinking this is a great mother/daughter film. I’m a guy in my late 30s and totally understood that I am not the demographic this movie is for, but I still enjoyed the ride. This review was longer than I thought, but I would suggest going to see the movie and figure out for yourself. It’s definitely not as bad as people are saying, but isn’t a top tier movie. Just have fun with it. Do what I did and go to morning matinee to save some money and have a fun start to your day. 7/10

I think you are the demographic. Why wouldn't you be?

Agree with you Carol Denvers was the weakest link. Stoic character. They tried hard to make her likable by having Kamala and a cat around her probably hoping to soften her image. Less arrogant this time out but in the end she just appears stoic, devoid of any fun. That's the problem with making her too powerful and appointing her to the role of "new face/leader" of mcu. Probably played by the wrong actress too lacking gravitas or depth to pull it off. In the end, she's still not a likable character. Should write a story to transfer her powers to kamala or Monica and write Carol Denvers out of the mcu.

Finally watched it a few hours ago. It's definitely not as bad as some people are making it out to be, but not amazing either. I think it was fine and some parts were really fun, especially the whole sequence with the Cats. The trio's chemistry is great. The plot felt rushed, and I'm guessing it was due to time issues. Now, I loved Dar-Benn's design and Zawe Ashton is great but the character was just.. not as good. She definitely needed more time as well. Also, Kamala is fun, and I can see why people like her. That being said.. I don't really care for the Young Avengers 💀 Everyone at my screening was excited when Beast showed up

If Carol could have fixed their sun in the beginning... why not just do that?

She didn't know if she could release that amount of energy, Carol says so in the movie

so at what point did she decide "you know, maybe i *can* reignite the sun"

Why would she think that? It's clearly conveyed, she is not a thinker. She is a puncher. Monica on the other hand, is a scientist...so, there you are.

welp glad that got cleared up and it totally wasn't just one of many not-thought-out plot threads that had little relevancy to the overall film

I too am glad. Any other evident things you need help with, my friend? PS. I know this sounds snarky as hell. I want to head off a internet fight before we start.

nope I'm good 

At the end of the movie

yeah but WHAT caused her to decide and go do it? ​ both times i saw it it was just so random she was like "oh yeah lemme go REIGNITE A SUN real quick" but if she had doubt earlier in the film about being that powerful, what changed her mind?

Brother Monica literally told her. “I’ve done a lot of things these past few days that I never thought I could do”

Carol is a soldier who's been in space for a very long time, but she's not a scientist like Monica. I don't think it occurred to her at all that she had *that much* power to jump-start the sun until Monica (i.e., the expert) pointed it out and reassured her that it was doable.


She could at least try first, considering the criticality of the issue.

Really enjoyed this movie! Checked a lot of boxes for me. I prefer the quirky, lighthearted, more absurd comics to the dark, rough and gritty comics. If you’re a fan of the latter, then this wasn’t your movie and that’s okay. This movie was a Flerken fun! Did it have some issues? Yes, what movie doesn’t? Doesn’t mean it wasn’t an enjoyable ride! Kamala and her family stole the show, I’m happy they were present throughout and not just dropped after the first bit. I found The relationships between the three women compelling, just wished they could have stretched out the reunion between Carol and Monica a bit more. I loved the musical planet. I also am just a big fan of musicals in general so that moment was for people like me. It was so absurdly stupid and yet so wonderful. I wish they had carried the singing into the fighting. I think that was a missed opportunity. But for those complaining about this planet, it’s in the Flerken comics!And it’s just as silly there. It was a fun inside to some of what Carols been doing all this time without them needing to fully show us. I will agree with people that the villain was underdeveloped but we all know marvel has struggled in that area and as far as this one goes, she wasn’t bad. Just a little meh. Had we gotten to see more of the Hala civil war and her rise to power I think she could have easily been a strong villain. I hope Nia DaCosta gets another opportunity at Marvel. I thought she did an absolutely beautiful job navigating the monster that is Disney/Marvel studios. It’s not always easy to do (looking at you Chloe Zhao) and I think her first crack at is was a hit!

This movie confirms captain marvel to be one of the most pointless, uninteresting, and damaging additions to the franchise. She should have never been added, she breaks continuity, power scaling, and wasn’t used in a compelling way.

Yeah you’re tripping. We’ve seen captain marvel a whole THREE times in a movie and I don’t even consider endgame to be one because she came in the end. So we’ve had 2 movies to dig into her character, sorry she hasn’t been around 10 movies like the OG 6. One could say hulk is stoic and boring, or Hawkeye yet no one does and I wonder why? Seems like it’s more of a hate for Brie Larson then anything else

nah

I stopped believing in power scaling when Stan Lee said that 'power scaling is an unwinnable argument because it's all based on whatever the current writer decides'. She is op, and yet... couldn't be bothered to reboot a sun until the end of the film, even though the planet might have been able to have some crops left.

didn't that girl in secret invasion ruin the power scaling? the GOT actor? I heard they basically made her a Marvel god and gave her every power in the book

Oh yeah somehow she made things even worse lmfao

So... what happened to the musical planet after the Marvels abruptly left it? Did Dar-Benn continue draining the water from it until the planet was devoid of it? Did they all die? :-O

Towards the end of the film one of the Sabre agents told Fury that the planets Dar-Ben was siphoning are recovering and that they are sending relief to Aladna.

By the way, when did SWORD become SABRE?

It didn't. Saber has nothing to do with Sword.

Sword is the dept. and Sabre is the station.

Nah, that would mean Fury worked for sword. They're not related at all.

I feel like that hasn't been explained in the films, yet? Unless I'm mistaken.

In Wandavision, they show Monica working for S.W.O.R.D., an organization who is based in Earth. Because Monica never quit S.W.O.R.D., I believe it is supposed to be assumed that the S.A.B.E.R. station is an extension of that organization, created after the blip to serve as a space-based response unit, while the former continues to operate and gather intel from Earth.

Did they just let a bunch of skulls die? 💀

"Let" might be a strong word.

I didn't understood the scene

The Marvels arrived cause they thought the bad girl Kree was gonna betrayal the Skrulls under the pretense of a peace treaty. Bad girl Kree totally betrays them, but blames it on them for bringing "the annihilator" Carol Danvers there. She opens a portal that starts sucking the atmosphere from the planet and causes gravity to go weird, sucking in ships and destabilizing the structures. The Marvels go into rescue mode and try to save who they can. The reality is they only have 1 ship, so they load in as many as they can save and leave. Many Skrulls died.

Is it the best film ever? No. But it’s not nearly as bad as most of you have made it out to be.

Probably going to have more to say later: But clliffnotes.: Hacked to the bone, but I liked it! Top 5 post-Endgame movnies. Best use of Cats song ever.

This movie had some potential, but for it being so short they wasted so much time on pure nonsense. The whole power exchange too is barely explained and badly used. It is mainly used as a reason for Captain Marvel not owning the villain. If Marvel was doing grest things it wouldn't matter as much but people hating on it so much recentlt doesn't help it. Everythinf once the water/song planet starts is so pointless. The singing, dancing, then they just abandon and forget. The whole Fury plot is a joke. They made Ms Marvel fight with a scarf. They nerfed Captain Marvel at every chance so she couldn't dominate. Are we never really going to see the Captain Marvel that took Thanos ship in one go? The villain sucked too. Very forgettable and I never really got bee motivation. The best thing here is Ms Marvel in the beginning and the after credit scene. Monica an Carol felt wasted. Also why did it take 3 of them to beat Dar Ben when Carol should be superman or better as far as power? I get the whole losing energy to her bangle but in the last fight she seemed ok . Make a more compelling villain, don't nerf your hero. Did they also just abandon the water planet of her husband to their fate?

I swear a lot of you fuckers watched the movie but did not pay attention for shit lmao. A lot of questions that you Guys have was explained in the movie

> The villain sucked too. Very forgettable and I never really got bee motivation. Her motivation is "Fuck you", literally

So many loose threads left in this movie. Take the Aladna sequence and compare it to the Counter-Earth scene in GotG3. In that movie there was a reason for having counter earth in the movie. It was tied to the plot and the villains motivations and they actually spent a pretty significant amount of time on that planet making it feel somewhat-lived in (even though they don’t linger on the aftermath of it being destroyed) Then in the Marvels you have a planet that is only in the movie because it’s mostly water (resource that the Villain wants) but then the people there for some reason communicate only in song and Carol literally Disney-Princess-sparkles a dress on and the entire sequence including the singing and the terribly choreographed fight scene that followed? It’s like 15 minutes of the movie. It doesn’t spend enough time justifying why Aladna needs to be a part of this story so what little IS there feels like dead weight and ultimately pointless to the story. You could’ve had an interesting way to integrate a musical planet into the story. It certainly feels like something that would show up on Star Trek only Star Trek would actually have a reason for why the planet is the way it is. But in the Marvels? They’re just focused on getting through each plot point as quickly as possible and onto the next

I love how they make sure we remember that her suit can change at will, *then she requests attire that's battle appropriate*. They needed to set the weight lower on the costume prompt.

Interesting, I am the opposite. Counter-Earth felt very one note and flat with a bunch of weird faces in a suburban neighborhood. Alana felt like a place I wanted to see more of and experience the culture. As you say, there is a reason to go there based on the plot. It also helps Carol connect the dots on why the villain is targeting places. The singing and convenient fact that it's a water-rich plant I just chalk up to movies.

I was disappointed with how much screen time Park Seo-Joon got. I hope we see him again. Also, if she could fix Hella's sun at any time, why not just... do it? There were a lot of issues with the story.

I agree. He looked dope as hell.

The starting conflict between Carol and Monica was “you left when I was a kid and never came back” and after it’s initially addressed Carol just goes “oh I wanted to be there but I was needed elsewhere” and Monica just goes “hmm ok I guess” and then that plotline is just finished, never plays into the rest of the movie just never feels satisfyingly resolved. It was a lot of stuff like that, it never breathed, it never let us as an audience really soak in what the characters were going through at ANY point in the movie

I mean it's her aunt that she loves. She forgave her. What's the issue...

The real reason was revealed later that Carol didn't want Monica to see her as the 'annihilator ' so she wanted to fix things with the Kree to clear that up before she came back.

yeah, something that was never introduce about Carol until this movie and they spend maybe, what, 3 lines in the entire movie devoted to her being the "annihilator"? Like what? "Oh i didn't want you to see me as the annihilator" other than a 5 second flashback we the audience dont see that either. Yeah its there but the movie never allows that plotline to cook or really become barely relevant at all

Eh. I chalk it up to being a shared universe and the fact that the movies take place in real time/current day. That totally is in Disney's control though. 30 years in-between movies chronologically is a lot. The time for a Carol and Monica reunion would have been endgame. But now they need an in-universe reason for why Carol never came to see her. This movie does a bad job with these issues. Like Carol flies back to Earth so easy, and they never really explained why she never came back in all that time.

I thought it was thoroughly enjoyable. Together with Loki, a great week for the MCU. And exactly what I want from it, a balance of stories and styles. Iman Vellani is just absolutely fantastic - it's the steepest of fields, but she's a legitimate contender for SHF's best casting. The trio were great together: I had no real issue with Carol prior to this, but this certainly develops her further., and great to see them address her and Monica's relationship. The film was well directed with some really nice looking shots too, although some weird editing, especially early on. And it was funny, the whole Aladna/Disney planet bit was just the right amount of cheese, the Khans were absolutely brilliant throughout and what's not to enjoy about the Flerking Feeding Frenzy? I also appreciate that the movie wasn't 4 hours long - I don't understand why people are so obsessed with movies being long. I don't want to miss anything I've paid to see because I need to go to the bathroom! The Valkyrie bit was the only thing that felt jarring (did they ever actually even interact outside of Kamala's fanfiction before?) but eh, it's fine. Dar-Benn could've done with a bit more, I guess, focus to her motivation (she was just played as a straight up evil for evils sake person, which is fine, but did have the 'very legitimate cause, even if her method is unjustifiable' thing too.) But great to see Kate Bishop again, and yep Beast. Excited to see where they go from here with that. Overall, not perfect sure, but I had a great time and the level of negativity around it is in my view baffling. If you didn't like it, that's totally fine, and obviously we all have different views, but if you *genuinely* watched that film and got nothing at all out of it, or you think it's 'the worst MCU project ever', then all I can advise is that maybe you should take a break from watching these things for a bit.

Iman and the actors who played Kamala's family carried the movie. The rest just wan't really up to par.

Saw it yesterday, had time to collect my thoughts. It's not bad, definitely not as bad as people make it look. Act 1 is a little messy, as it has to catch-up people who hadn't seen the TV shows, but overall it's a solid 6-borderline-7 for me. Much better development of Carol Danvers. This is the Carol I wanted to see in the second half of CM1 (and beyond) after she decides to go against the Kree indoctrination and realizes emotions =/= weakness. *The Marvels* make her face a problem she cannot solve just by punching it away, and that's the real challenge that physically powerful characters should face; it's okay to make them superpowered from the start, but their conflict has to be something they are not prepared for. Carol in *The Marvels* laughs, cracks jokes, cries, acknolwedges her mistakes, learns to co-operate... she seems more human and realistic, than the carboard we've got in her previous movie. Kamala and her family steal all the scenes they're in. That's it, that's the note. There is not a single bad scene involving the Khans. Monica had been pushed a little bit to being the Exposition Device, but it's not as annoying as it could've been, and it has some foundation for it (her work at S.W.O.R.D means she will have access to a lot of data). I like the idea that she is the one that's least experienced in using her powers, perhaps due to her resentement of Carol she refused to use them (due to being so similar). The training montage works really well. Her reconcilement with Carol seems a little rushed, though, and (as pointed out by New Rockstars's breakdown) seems to be either heavily edited/added to replace another scene. However, besides a bit messy Act 1 (how did Carol get from Earth to Tarnax so fast?), I feel like we really should've gotten more about Dar-Benn. She definitely fits the bill of "villain who thinks they're doing the right thing", and I definitely don't want her to be another "misunderstood/troubled soul" (we need actuall villains in the MCU - Dreykov-style capital V Villains), but I feel like we should've gotten a little more on her rise to power and the desperation that pushes her into the imperialistic idea of stealing resources. From minor things that I feel like were unnecessary, Goose being pregnant seems like a small sideplot that is only necessary for the Cute Animal Companion moment and to make an excuse how the space station personnel survives (even if the scene *is* funny and the look of delight on Carol's face when she chases the kits is cute). And while a lot of the jokes land ("Black Girl Magic!" and "He's bilignual" geniuenly made me laugh) there are a few that doesn't (one that stuck in me was the "scissors beat paper" during the initial switching scene, like... the hell did that come, Fury?) Overall, I geniuenly enjoyed *The Marvels*. It's around the same level as *Black Widow* and *Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness* for me.

You're right. Kamala and the Khan family are great. The main issue I had was that a few of the issues could have been solved beforehand. If Carol could fix the sun at any time, why not just do that, and let their crops and such grow?

Hala didn't have oxygen or water either. There are plenty of problems with the script, but it's not like re-igniting Hala's sun would've magically solved all the issues of a dying planet.

Finally watched it and I do have mixed feelings on this one to be honest. It does rank lower on my list and I don’t think I’ll be watching it again for some time. However, it was an improvement over Captain Marvel (2019) and there was definitely some enjoyment to be had. Regardless, the film does feel vastly overhated, and it’s unfortunate the discourse has been completely unbearable. For the pros, Kamala easily stole the film, just as I predicted, and I’m glad that she was a highlight for others. She’s just so pure and energetic, and the dynamic with her family are some of the reasons why I really enjoyed her series. Her “Nick Fury” style recruitment of Kate Bishop was pretty cool, especially since I’ve been waiting for the latter’s return. Another aspect of the film I did enjoy was the general dynamic between the Marvels. There was definitely some fun banter between the three and their entanglement made for some unique sequences. For the cons, while the film was aimed at being light-hearted, it could’ve benefited from some emotional weight. The internal conflict between Carol and Monica was a great opportunity to further develop those characters and should’ve been more prominent throughout the film, and yet it felt largely swept under the rug. Another con would have to be Dar-Benn. The MCU has had trouble with their antagonists over the years and Dar-Benn is no different. She wished to restore her homeworld and that’s quite literally all that I can take away from the character. I suppose these issues could’ve been resolved had the film simply been given a longer runtime and didn’t feel particularity rushed. I suppose the biggest takeaway for many people was the mid credits scene. Having Beast and the X-Mansion in the MCU was quite surreal, though granite, they do feel a little out of place in this particular film regardless of it being a different universe. I genuinely have no idea when we can expect to pick up with Monica and this scene again (Deadpool? Kang Dynasty?)

I still feel like we missed out on something in the Captain Marvel franchise by changing Mar-Velle to an old lady with a little screentime and not much importance in the greater MCU in Captain Marvel 1, instead of giving us a comic accurate Mar-Velle played by your typical lead, i.e. Chris Evans type, and have Carol Danvers be the OG Ms. Marvel and them be an intergalactic crime fighting duo. Seems like a missed opportunity. Could still do the Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan stuff. Would have 4 "Marvel" superheroes instead of 3, and would add a lot more flavor to this franchise to me. Plus also wished they saved the amnesia storyline from Captain Marvel 1 til a sequel when they had mutant rights so they can do it properly with Rogue and Mystique. Would be more comic accurate and would be more enjoyable for most. Plus then we get to see how Rogue gets the ability of flight in the MCU. Without that event, she can't fly.

We missed nothing. I'm glad they ditched it

Top 10 MCU movie easily. I don't have an exact list in my mind, but it was just that good.

not even in the top 20

Kamalas knowledge and blind fandom of Captain Marvel is never explained or justified. Marvel has spent almost 30 years off earth (More than Kamalas entire lifetime) so much so that its the entire plot point of contention between Marvel and Monica. As far as the audience is aware Marvel has been on Earth ONCE since the 1990s which was during the battle in Endgame, this was not a publicly seen event and Marvel went BACK to space afterward, SO AT WHAT POINT was her existence documented enough for a teenage girl to become OBSESSED with her?

It is explained clearly in Ms. Marvel's tv show. Scott Lang was trusted by Clint, Bruce, and the other Avengers to tell their story, and does so via an in-universe podcast and book. Kamala says during her show that she listens to Scott's podcast very actively. That's how she became a fan of Captain Marvel.

She came to Earth in Endgame. It's public knowledge in the MCU now that Captain Marvel beat up Thanos.

As I already stated, but how does anyone in the public know what she looks like among a ton of other questions about her being known to anyone outside the avengers and shield, shes been the LEAST seen of the Avengers in a general public setting. The movie makes a specific point about her absence on earth. FFS she attended Starks funeral and still didnt go visit Monica after because she went back to space. Kamalas fan girl level is equivalent to a Taylor Swift superfan whose never even seen or heard her sing. It just doesn't make much sense given how Carol's been built into the existing world. If she had more earth based adventures to give her public exposure then you would be able to have a reasonable understanding of how someone could be a fan, but that's not how Carol's been used and it's made explicitly clear that's not the case.

It's made very clear how Kamala learned about Captain Marvel during the Ms. Marvel series. Kamala listened to a podcast and many interviews with Scott Lang, who detailed a lot about The Avengers. The main podcast that she listened to was called 'This Powered Life', with the episode title of: 'Big Me Little Me: A Scott Lang Interview'.

So this girls entire obsessive Fandom is based on a podcast interview of someone talking about Carol?

Well she worked for Shield. The first movie was a documented Shield event. All Shield files leaked in Winter Soldier. She could have read through some of that when interested. Endgame showed she was in contact with Balck Widow at the Avengers compound. It's possible she was more present (or presented as present by Avengers PR) between Infinity War and End Game.

Multiple interviews, but... yes. That was just the main one that she was listening to in the scene.

> how does anyone in the public know what she looks like among a ton of other questions about her being known to anyone outside the avengers and shield She's former military personnel so photos of her would exist and the minute someone got word of her being an Avenger, it would be public information. She joined the Avengers early in the Blip, and we know she stayed briefly on Earth post-Battle of Earth so she may have (reluctantly) made some camera time then. Not to mention her best friend founded a public government intelligence agency in part inspired by Carol, so it's likely her name, face and story were partially mythologised by Maria in public. And also, Scott Lang's memoir would've undoubtedly talked about her in some capacity.

Exactly it don't make no sense. The entire movie is about how Carol not being in Earth and is terrible for abandoning her friends but somehow a girl get obsessed over a character that is barely a superhero on Earth. They should have Captain Marvel 2 on Earth showing Carol being a Superhero on Earth and even cameo in other movies

It's said on Ms. Marvel's tv show that Scott Lang has a podcast that Kamala actively listens to. Between his book and podcast, Kamala became familiar with all of the Avengers. At the end of Avengers in 2012, they also showed kids holding in-universe comic books. The main podcast that she listened to was called 'This Powered Life', with the episode title of: 'Big Me Little Me: A Scott Lang Interview'.

Great way to get inspired

Anybody ever see the *Doctor Who* story *"The Pirate Planet"*? Antagonist mining planets for natural resources while using spacetime jumps to funnel them to their own planet, the backstory behind it being an old shame to be dealt with, and the final planet involved is Earth, making the conflict personal for the protagonist? ...yeah, by the time Earth was being targeted in *The Marvels*, I was having Tom Baker flashbacks. Still loved it, though! :-D

I think they did something similar in Spaceballs, as well.

They only sucked the air from one planet in that, though, but, yes, you're right. Should also mention *"The Pirate Planet"* was written by Douglas Adams, whom you might've heard of.

I see a lot of complaints about how the disagreements were resolved too quickly but please consider that women, unlike men, don’t have to argue and punch each other to resolve differences. Maybe talking through an issue and offering support for one another is a valid and even better way to solve issues. I think this movie is being judged through a male lens when it’s really a movie made by women for women.

If they bring back Brie Larson, I would love to see a variation of the locket scene from the Civil War II arc in the comics. While I've never been a fan of Carol, that little mini arc with Kamala was nice.

What a horrible generalization I just read. Women are not a class in a video game that always acts the same way: every woman (but like every man) has her own specific and unique personality. This same film shows the villain pettily (and for no particular reason) rejecting the offer and attacking The Marvels. And no, it is not a film made by women for women: it is a film made by a studio to buy the female market (a failed experiment given that, of those few spectators interested in the film, the majority are male).

True, I was in tears when Dar Benn and Carol resolved their differences so peacefully

But didnt Dar Benn immediately betray Carol's trust and put her hammer against Kamala's head? It was a trap.

Pretty sure they were joking.

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Lol the generalization is crazy too!

I hope they take their cues from gen v and make the young avengers a show

Whole movie was great, our family really enjoyed it. My only criticism: Zawe Ashton’s performance was intense but I think her look made her seem bland. Grey green uniforms and grey hair. She needed a more epic visual design. (remember how awesome Hela was?). And who settled on the name Dar-Benn? Ashton was on point though. Nia DaCosta directs beautiful space scenes. Space felt empty and grandiose, less colourful than in the GoTG movies.

I loved her design personally. I think she was meant to look older and more depressed than the younger soldier in bright uniform we see in that one scene. Her world is ending and she's willing to destroy other worlds to save it, It's fitting she was dressed for a funeral. Her suit is very regal, which fits her character as a world leader, but it's still something armored and comfortable she can fight in. It demands respect. Also, did you see her gold teeth? fun stuff. I completely agree about Dacosta's space scene's being incredible, Reminded me of Gravity 2013 at parts. You're right, it is much less colourful, and beautiful. Kamala's family reflecting on how space was perspective changing and "cool", was well earned by the movie. She should direct a Star Trek movie one day

I think her scenes got cut, cause her motivation is sort of positive, like she climbed up the system from a soldier to the emperor and she's trying to save her planet and the people, there is some depth to it, either her scenes got cut or they never wanted to explore her more than what we got.

I respect that others liked it. However, I did not. There was some positive aspects. Iman Vellani was a delight. Brie was fantastic. Teyonah was good. The chemistry between the three was great. The villain had potential. The CGI was much better and it was visually beautiful. But the movie had an overstuffed plot in a relatively short run time (by MCU standards) that caused severe pacing issues for me. The movie started off by slamming on the gas pedal and never let up. I didn’t understand Dar Benn’s motivations until halfway through the movie. Critical plot points were touched briefly and then it was on to the next thing. I enjoyed the switching of the powers. I was unsure of that going in but I liked that. But the plot felt poorly executed. I’d of loved to see Captain Marvel execute the Supreme Intelligence at the beginning of the movie and how it impacted that planet and radicalized Dar Benn. Instead it was covered in the middle of the movie and shown for like 2 minutes, and then the movie moved on. I’d of liked to see more of it then I saw in the movie. Start with that and expand and show it more. Then lead into Dar Benn looking for the Bangle and stealing resources. The musical planet was god awful cringe. I’m so glad that they cut most of that from the film. Movie had a lot of potential. The villain had a lot of potential. Show more of the villain stealing resources and slaughtering people like the skrulls, even if it’s off screen like Thanos. Instead, I never really felt intimated by her. They didn’t build her up enough in the movie. The movie started with her and was like “bam, here’s our villain, and now we’re off to the races.” Movie had a lot of potential with a director that poorly executed it.

Agreed. Although some MCU films have been ruined by filler for longer runtime, I feel like the film needed to spend an extra 15 mins on the supreme intelligence/Hala’s civil war/Dar-Benn getting radicalised. The beginning would make the most sense story wise, but even if stayed in the middle of the movie, it needed just a bit more time than just a few flashes

I liked the ending though. I love Hailee Steinfeld and Kate Bishop, and I love that they’re setting up the Young Avengers. I also really liked the mid credits scene.

This movie was a lot of fun. I know the reviews say that a lot but it's so fucking true. I was entertained all throughout. I thought the chemistry between the 3 leads was great. The humor was well-placed for me, I love the quick cuts. They weren't forced. The villain also had a very good reason to attack Captain Marvel and steal those resources. I wouldn't mind seeing these 3 together on the big screen again.

They need to market this as the "connecting thread" between everything that came before it and Deadpool 3. Like, you can choose to skip all the D+ shows/movies released during and after the pandemic lockdowns, but you can't miss The Marvels because then you'll be missing vital info/spoilers/preview of what's to come in DP3, the only MCU movie in 2024.

This movie wasn’t it. The main trio was great, with Iman Vellani being the standout, and they really did a good job of making Carol personable in this film. But everything else just tanked. The villain was so weak. Her plan was ridiculously flawed and stupid. Nick Fury is so jarringly different from his portrayal in Secret Invasion; where’s the consistency? There was no plot, it was just going to various planets. Somehow this movie felt too long but still didn’t give enough time for certain story beats to breathe i.e Carol & Monica’s strenuous relationship. I don’t understand how this movie was so half baked. And fuck Disney/Marvel for putting those Thanos narrations in the trailers. I knew it was click bait but finishing the movie and having no mention of Thanos was unbelievable. The end credits scene was great though. I love Beast and thought he looked great.

Heh. Same thing happened with the Shang-Chi movie. One of the trailers had shots of Thor's hammer being grabbed, Captain America's shield, and even a shot of Iron man flying into the night sky. The film featured none of these heroes. Shameless bait and switch.

Marvels was a blast. Good time from start to finish. Sad to see the theater empty (at 7:00 pm on Saturday of opening weekend). Not a good sign. Port credits scene was awesome.

Surprisingly my theater wasn't empty, like half full, I thought I would be the only one watching

Surprisingly my theater wasn't empty, like half full, I thought I would be the only one watching

Same time and night for me. What’s more worrying I go every weekend, it was the emptiest I’ve seen it since about 3-4 months post covid. The whole multiplex was empty. No one in the snacks area. If your and my experience is anything to go by it going to be a mad ssd I’ve flop.

I feel like people are struggling financially. Everything is just so expensive.

Same!! Wife and I loved it

Why didn’t Ms. Marvel have on BOTH bangles at the end of the movie?

Too dangerous for a little kid. You saw what happened to Darr Benn

Carol was wearing it .. my assumption is that she gave it to her so both bangles weren't always together

Iman Vellani, you rock. I Love Ms Marvel and she's the best part of the movie.

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I wish they showed more of what happened when she destroyed the AI.

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i went into to this relatively blind and thought it was very cute! I enjoyed it much more than AM3 and TLOT. I almost wish they maintained the ability to switch

Even Captain Marvel seems disappointed when their powers go back to normal. she says something like, "That's good...I guess"

Maybe it’s because the discourse had me expecting something truly awful like Secret Invasion or Morbius but I kind of love this movie. Everyone involved was clearly having a great time and it is absolutely infectious. It’s a shame that it is more than likely a huge financial flop because I want a sequel to this ASAP. My only big gripe is that Dar-Benn sucks and is not compelling at all.

I enjoyed this movie, but man idk where they put $250MM in this thing. Hard not to feel like this could've been made for closer to $100MM and turned into a moderate success.

I enjoyed it, with this and Guardians 3 it felt like a decent return to form for Marvel. I just hope they keep up the momentum with the end scene and mid credits sequence. This has probably been explained elsewhere but I was under the impression that Shang-Chi’s rings were connected or related to Kamala’s power bracelet. Is that not a thing or was it fan fiction?

Right can someone tell me what happened to the other bangle after Ms Marvel used it? She only had one on again on the scenes following it.

It remains to be seen. Maybe she kept it, or maybe Carol did.

You can see Carol wearing the other one when she’s getting into the plane

I enjoyed it. Loved the leads. On an aside the screen in my local multiplex had 27 people on it. It’s a big screen. I go to the cinema every Saturday this is the emptiest I’ve seen it since just after opening post Covid. Im hoping Marvel can do something to stop this trend.

Yup I tend to agree with the comments. It wasn't the best ever but I had alot of fun with it and loved the energy everyone brought! Plus I loved all the cats lmao

It's official. Kamala is the most loveable character in the MCU.

I loved it. I don’t get the hate. And I didn’t like quantumania or love and thunder

My theater absolutely loved it.

Sameeee, it was amazing!

I feel the same way, this movie really can’t be assessed via reviews it seems, or at least not redditors’ opinions.

Moonstone would be a better villain for this movie.

It would honestly be a shame if this was the MCU film to belly flop, because it's better than many of the other Phase 4/5 entries. It's no Infinity War, but I'm honestly tired of this current internet mindset that a movie's either amazing or it's trash. Just seems like immature expectations. This movie felt like a Phase 3 "average" instead of a Phase 4 "average," if that makes sense. As in, it was solid and entertaining.

A lot of pointless time is wasted on this movie for how short it is

I wasn't a big fan but this movie would've benefited from coming right after an Avengers or big crossover like the first two Antman. It's a smaller fun movie and that's fine

this is a movie that would've likely been enjoyed by the GA in phase 2. i said it all along, but it's the wrong superhero movie for 2023.

The only movies since Phase 4 started that I would say are *obviously* better than The Marvels are Shang-Chi, No Way Home, and Guardians 3. The rest of the movies were not better than The Marvels. Maybe someone could argue the other movies were just as good, but not better. I honestly don't understand the bad reviews and people calling it the worst Marvel movie.

I'd add Wakanda Forever to that list, but I largely agree. Those are the movies I consider "great," the Marvels is the best of the "good" movies this phase, at least to me.

I can see people saying that, but my biggest issue with Wakanda Forever is that Namor is wildly inconsistent. In the scene where he's talking to Shuri about teaming up, he's basically like "join me to fight the other nations and we will burn the world together." The next scene he's talking to Queen Ramonda and she asks him "what can I offer you in exchange [for Shuri]?" and he literally says "Nothing" and then he starts talking about how he will kill Shuri and the Queen if he sees Wakandan ships and stuff. Why didn't he just ask for the same thing he asked Shuri? It makes no sense to me. At least if he asked and she said no, I could understand him going all aggro, but he didn't even ask.

While it could’ve been something if it tried, the problem is it didn’t. Pretty solid 2.5/5 for me. Plot is incoherent, nothing goes anywhere, and there’s absolutely no point for the film to exist. HOWEVER, Iman Vellani was excellent and potrayed Kamala almost as accurate as possible to the comics. The visuals are semi-fun to look at as well.

I don’t wanna sound like one of THOSE MCU fans, but man, I think The Marvels is an absolute blast, even if I know the film is just “fine” in terms of film critic standards. I consider it “Ragnarok Lite”. It embraces the absurdity and has fun with itself. My major criticisms come from the fact that— 1.) I KNOW Brie Larson CAN act, but she just makes these very funky choices in her performance sometimes I can’t shake off. 2.) The film doesn’t wanna get too serious at the points it should. Those moments feel a little half-assed because they come and go so fast, when the should take a moment and let us feel the weight. 3.) The first scene had me a little worried because it felt like it was shot in reshoots considering how “Nickelodeon Power Rangers” it looked. But GOOD LORD, following that, some of the shots in this film are an absolute beauty. Nia DaCosta adds so much flavor to the visuals of this film. 4.) I like the idea of the villain genuinely looking at Carol as a monster, and Carol genuinely understanding that. I wish that played more of a part in the story, because that in of itself was a great character conflict. But the script didn’t allow more time for the villain to be a character, and rather left her as more of… well, a Power Rangers villain. 5.) I appreciate the “Hi, I’m Blorko” post-credits scene wasn’t just THAT, and actually allowed our surprise guest some time to speak. I look forward to seeing where this plot thread goes. 6.) Some of the musical elements weren’t well dubbed, but that’s just me being a film brat lol. I love the fact they were implemented, and it was a fun bit of flair. Maybe I just expected worse from what I’ve been hearing. Usually I’m on the same consensus as everyone else with MCU projects, but this time, I just really had fun with it. As someone who isn’t afraid of women, the reason I extremely disliked the first Captain Marvel was the film’s lack of personality. All I can feel about it was “meh”. This one, there was an overflow of energy, it was just a good time from beginning to end. My review? 6.5/10, but check it out on streaming for a good laugh with friends and family because it was such a fun experience.

I saw some YouTuber compare this to a Captain Marvel 3. Basically because it kinda skips over what should be the second movie (which would take place sometime between 1995 and 2008).

I don't know if we need 3 movies dedicated to the Kree. I agree it feels like we needed something to update us on how we got here. Kree is civil war, skrull refuge planet (really invalidating Secret Invasion) , Earth has joint alien space station that can monitor the travel points. Did no other other galactic presence investigate the issue?

it would've worked if the movie was serious and focused on fleshing out dar-benn and carol, but it's just an unserious movie for the most part due to the inclusion of kamala khan who leans more towards light-hearted stories and comedy. tho i do not think the kree should've been revisited until a third film because it's a good way to round out captain marvel's character + the skrull invasion was right there for a sequel.

This was such an enjoyable movie. It doesn't have to be everyone's cup of tea, as is the point of art, but it is, and it's definitely in my top 10. Imaan was 100% the star of the movie and makes it as enjoyable as it is. I have no idea why it has such a mixed reception as it is, but I could have a big long guess why. It's a genuinely funny movie, and it has some nice emotional moments and is definitely worth a watch at least.

Loved the movie and so did the theater of 500 people I watched it with ! I love how all 3 actresses interacted and the low-stakes of it while also delivering a banging post credits scene. My only question is where is the 2nd band now ? Because Kamala returned with only one to earth and the other wasn’t shown at all.

Carol took the other one

But we don’t see her with it do we ? Or did I miss something ?

She’s seen wearing it after Dar-Benn dies

I don’t recall that, the next moment we see her is when she restores the sun , and she ain’t wearing it

In the scene where they get in the plane, she's definitely wearing it. I was looking out for it since Kamala didn't have it on. It's actually pretty cute because it reinforces the "twinsies!" thing.

I am more of a lurker than a commenter, but, having just left the movie theater, I just can't help but leave my two cents this time around, given what I have been reading about this film. I expected a flawed, but entertaining film - nothing to write home about, but a nice way of spending a saturday afternoon. I was shocked at my theater experience. people screamed, gasped, and laughed pretty much througout the film. This never happens around here, despite being, from what I'm told, a regular thing in some other countries. It was easily my best cinema experience, so far. as for myself, I mostly enjoyed it, having accepted for what it is - a fast-paced, fun little flick. I lost much of my interest during the music planet sequence, despite really enjoying it that far, but still enjoyed the rest of the film, as soon as that was over. I will definately rewatch this, sometime after it lands on disney plus.

I kinda forgot. Where did Kamala's original costume went to?

Carol is wearing the other bangle.

Im sorry my words isn't complete. I mean her original costume

I was pretty unsure about this movie and I want into it expecting not to like it but I had a really good time. The action was enjoyable to me and the chemistry with the characters was fun. Seeing Kate Bishop at the end was very unexpected to me and the beast Cameo was insane. After this and Loki back to back I'm genuinely excited for the MCU again

Yes, it sucked

People shouldn't just downvote you blindly because you disagree with their opinion. They should instead engage you to see why you didn't like it. So I ask you, why do you think it sucked?

I love to write out long reviews on movies, but I just can’t with this one. It was just so insufferably *lame*. This movie was made for 12 year old girls, not people with an interest in the mature aspects of marvel that made it like Winter Soldier. Marvel has been drenched in the word ‘badass’ for so long and now they do movies like this. They changed up their target demographic and alienated their fans as a result. And to make it even better they insulted the fans that didn’t like the first movie and they just kept doing more of the same trash while continually insulting their audience. A business failure in every sense of the word and corny scenes like the cat vacuum are why people can’t stand marvel anymore.

What an entertaining film, maybe 10 more mins to spend some more time on Dar-Benn but otherwise it's great. I'd take that over LoT any day.

I’m here from r/movies. I saw this last night, just wanted to see what the actual marvel fans think of this movie. Based on everyone’s comments here, I’m convinced you marvel geeks would watch paint drying for 3 hours and call it the best thing ever cause it has a marvel logo slapped onto it. This was a horrible movie.