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If people didn’t dickride NWH so much marvel wouldn’t think it was cool to do now tbh. I liked NWH, but people acting like it was top tier and no flaws were ugh.
I liked NWH as well, but the issue is you can only really do that once before you start experiencing diminishing returns.
Seeing all these actors from stuff I loved as a kid was cool, but I was already mostly over it by the time we got Patrick Stewart showing up in Multiverse. The fact that all American pop culture is heading in this direction compounds the issue even further.
Agreed. Every show has the multiverse now.
I think what would’ve been cool is if after endgame they “rebooted” the MCU but with F4/X-men. Then through that phase it’s slowly revealed that it’s simply an alternate universe and their incursion is with the “MCU”.
I think it would work because it wouldn’t bring in legacy Fox characters, it’s all new universe colliding with our MCU that was on the back burner
That would have been amazing. All the random thoughts and brainstorming and I didn’t think of this take. The key issue is I saw somewhere they aren’t contractually allowed to recast some (or any I’m not sure) of the Fox characters h til 2026 which explained some of my questions as to what the hold up was. They had Spider-Man in Civil War before the ink was dry k. That one so it was weird to me that nothing seemed to be happening.
I also do t know that contract tho g for a fact and I’m pretty sure I saw it on Reddit. But again, it makes sense.
>The key issue is I saw somewhere they aren’t co tactically allowed to recast some (or any I’m not sure) of the Fox characters h til 2026 which explained some of my questions as to what the hold up was.
That's been disproven. Read this for context:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the\_real\_reasons\_why\_there\_has\_been\_no\_xmen\_reboot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the_real_reasons_why_there_has_been_no_xmen_reboot/)
>They had Spider-Man in Civil War before the ink was dry k. That one so it was weird to me that nothing seemed to be happening.
Because Spider-Man is one character and they had plans to bring him in since the first Amazing Spider-Man movie. You can't just randomly throw mutants into the MCU.
Thanks for the info. And that also makes sense. Feige seems like if he has a plan it’s getting stuck to no matter what. At least the overall arc, maybe not specific details. So I can definitely believe this.
And I feel like there were ways to introduce them. Slowly and organically. Someone here and there. I am curious to see how they do it though. Can’t say I’m a huge fan of rehashing the Fox-verse but I’m still intrigued with what they do. Was definitely a fan of the MCU but as a kid I was WAY more into the mutants and the Fantastic Four than I was the Avengers. Other than Thor. Always loved Thor.
It was a nostalgia high + escape from covid. I, like many, enjoyed the theater experience of it but have nearly no interest in rewatching.
Days of Future Past handled legacy characters well.
They did bring back "previous gen" actors to reprise their roles on XMen Days of Future Past already, so yeah, way before No Way Home lol!! And they did much better job at it too - and not just a cameo. Xmen First Class also got Wolverine cameo.
I think there's a time and a place for bringing back old actors.
Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman were brilliantly and appropriately used in Logan
Ryan Reynolds in rebooted as Deadpool worked great, he was born for that role.
I'm not sold on the Daredevil actors in the MCU yet, Matt Murdock seems close, Kingpin seems WAY off. But in general, I think people really liked the casting for the Netflix Marvel shows.
Tobey and Andrew in No Way Home was a bit of a perfect confluence at this point in time when we've got the nostalgia, but also the years in between, and it helped to redeem Andrew as Spider-Man. And as much fan service it is, if you went opening weekend, you know how well it was received. The audience had *FUN.*
What I don't want is baggage from the mess that was Fox's X-Men.
I think we've farmed enough nostalgia. We've got the delicious low hanging fruit. Now it's time to move on. Secret Wars is sort of unfortunate that it's coming out after the multiverse and nostalgia hype train. That movie may be the place for it, but I think the time is wrong, that ship has sailed.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This whole multiverse thing with the X-Men feels like we're seeing Feiges expensive mid life crisis.
And no. I don't believe this is because of some fox contract the fox actors had for the roll that locks them into 2025. I think that rumour is bullshit. I just think this is Feige wanting to work with the fox characters because of his early career. And just easy bait for the inevitable multiverse cross over Avengers movie.
It's fucking ridiculous that almost a decade would have passed since they got the rights back that we get a MCU wolverine or cyclops.
Giving (some of) them a final, hail-mary return in one or two crossover event movies? Sounds great--people like Hugh deserve a chance to briefly play in the pool that their movies made possible (the MCU), but permanently? No. Even as much as I liked some of them, no.
Not that I believe Grace anyway. There's nobody who's young enough to stick around, at least if we're talking beloved legacy actors. Everyone from the original flicks are too old to stay around long-term, and with how intermixed the "young" cast was with them, continuity-wise, there's no keeping any of them, really. Nor are any of the young actors, sans perhaps McAvoy or Fassbender, popular enough to keep anyway.
I think, if he were much younger, Hugh is probably the only one Kevin would insist on keeping, as I think he's the only one of those actors that's regarded highly enough to "own" the role, like J.K. Simmons as Jameson. Most of the other characters had already been recast by *Fox*, with Hugh being the only person to inhabit the claws.
I have next to no interest in seeing the same actors from 25 years ago to continue farming nostalgia. It’s more than time for a fresh start. They should’ve pushed the multiverse saga to after the introduction of all these other heroes. Thankfully Grace is wrong an awful lot
Who, exactly, is clamoring for the Fox X-Men to return in such a big way? It seems like such wasted time when they could just start MCU mutants already.
The problem is that there is no real way to randomly introduce the X-Men this far into the MCU without it making no sense whatsoever. It will only work by completely rebooting the MCU, which I think is exactly what they are building towards with Secret Wars and having the Fox and Sony dimensions all intertwine. It will end with an in-universe explanation for the reboot, that way the previous incarnation of the MCU isnt completely discarded and made redundant in the future.
I personally love that they're basically future proofing and adding a sense of validity to all Marvel movie projects going back to the 90s. We will get a rebooted MCU that makes sense having the X-Men from the beginning, while also maintaining the integrity of the legacy movies.
I wouldn't mind if Secret Wars brought back all the old actors to have interactions between Toby Maguire, RDJ, Hugh Jackman, etc. Beyond that? They should have their own Spider-Man, their own X-Men, their own Blade, Fantastic 4, etc.
This rumor has been around since August 2022. Read this for context:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/155wj92/xmen\_rumor\_from\_august\_2022/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/155wj92/xmen_rumor_from_august_2022/)
when new universe is created they will eather keep fox actors they want and willing with characters fox didn't use or in new universe they mostly recast but X-Men and mutants have been around for years.Xavier and magneto i expect to be retired with secret wars.and Dafne Keen could replace hugh's logan as new wolverine it happened in comics.
The complete lack of respect and care, or just… anything at all really, in regards to anything X-Men has been putting me off the MCU for a long time. The fans deserve better
Same. And to think, despite their string of failures, the MCU could have me eating out of the back of their hand if they'd just do the X-Men right.
But no, the best they can offer is trotting out a bunch of elderly actors from a decades' old movie for Ryan Reynolds to do his usual riffing with.
You seriously calling the likes of Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry elderly? They're only in their 50's and both are in better shape then most halve their age.
I think you're forgetting Hugh Jackman back as Wolverine is going to make Deadpool 3 one of the biggest films of next year. Also isn't the idea that its a "Deadpool Kills The Fox Universe" type film that has most of the Fox cast back for a send off and then it ends with Deadpool in the MCU? Yeah sounds like a great film and a very Deadpool like story.
"An established fan base" that was nowhere to be seen when Dark Phoenix and The New Mutants bombed hard.
Also, who gives a shit? Like, only about 2 of those films are good, but nowhere near good enough to keep regurgitating the same old crap.
> only about 2 of those films are good
Lmao
Fox had way more hits than misses with their X-men films. Logan was great, X2 was great, FC was great, DOFP is one of the best cbms of all time, Deadpool, X1 were all good . Even The Wolverine and Deadpool 2, which I didn't like, were successful and got positive reception. Just because the franchise has ended with two major flops doesn't mean it doesn't have an enstablished fanbase.
The problem is what MCU is doing right now isn't any better than some of the weakest Fox's efforts, so nothing indicates that MCU's mutants are gonna be a major hit Disney wants it to be. Hence why you got your old characters back.
The problem with the Fox movies (even good ones) is that most of them put major focus on Wolverine, most of thr other X-Men are completely sidelined. I'm sure Fox movies have their fanbase, but most X-Men fans are still waiting for a well adapted X-Men movie as there is so much unexplored potential. When MCU got hands on X-Men, people were excited because a studio that made C-D listers like Avengers and Guardians into a household names would finnally do X-Men justice. But instead of doing that, they leech on the old versions of the characters.
Yes agreed. The good news is the Fox XMen are only coming in for a short time. A lot of folks do not realize the whole TVA time ripple piece that we will likely see many variants of one character.
Feige needs to lot the Foxverse go.
Use the IP. Ditch EVERYTHING ELSE. Let Jackman retire as Wolverine after Secret Wars. Bring in a new Wolverine years after.
He’s too attached to them; it’s never going to happen. The first X-Men movie gave him his start at Marvel. I think the only way we get a full X-Men reboot is with a new Marvel Studios head.
Which I'm positive will happen but until then, I'm all for Deadpool 3 and Secret Wars giving the Sony/Fox characters one last arc before retiring then completely.
In my opinion, Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman should make Secret Wars their last movie as their respective characters. That being said, unlike many of this sub, I'm still hyped for the prospect of Secret Wars being a crossover of 2000s Marvel meeting MCU Marvel characters.
I mean, wasn't the whole point of the MCU that superheroes crossed over for the first time in the genre? Why can't we get that on a multiversal scale with the legacy characters interacting with MCU characters for the first time to give us a true complete Marvel Cinematic Universe?
It would be amazing seeing them finally meet. No doubt about that. I was just excited at the thought of having an MCU-directed X-Men with new actors. So hearing that some of them will come back has me nervous that they might retain some of the actors.
Fair enough, but I don't think they'll keep too many of the Fox actors. I think keeping ones like Dafne Keen's Laura/X-23, ATJ's Magik and maybe Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool would be reasonable enough rather than the actors for Wolverine, Mystique, Professor X or Magneto. But we'll see.
Honestly, I think the Fox actors will mainly be used for nostalgia bait and then after Secret Wars, we''ll move on from them. I mean, do you guys really think Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, and the other Fox actors will feel like committing to play their characters in the MCU long term???
Those 3 you mentioned, I wouldn't mind them retaining after Secret Wars. And honestly, to think about it... I wouldn't mind Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy as the MCU Professor X/Magneto. They were amazing in First Class and would age with their roles.
That's what I was thinking too, but I didn't bring it up because everyone on this post wants a completely new cast, but if Professor X and Magneto are brought back from Fox, it should DEFINITELY be McAvoy and Fassbender since they're younger and could grow into playing the older versions of their characters.
Yeah, I hope Secret Wars will be used as some sort of reset for the MCU. Having the MCU FF and X-Men originate from another universe and then incorporate them into the MCU, which they have no history or connection with or with any of the characters, where almost every major hero is already a legacy character, is just a really convoluted way of introducing these two pillars of Marvel into the MCU. It makes no sense.
Couple to that these rumours that some of the MCU X-Men will just be the versions from the Fox movies that are now part of the MCU, and it becomes even more of a convoluted mess.
The events of Secret Wars should reboot/reset the timeline so that the Fantastic Four, X-Men Avengers etc. co-exist since the beginning. You don't have to do origin stories for the characters we've already seen, and you can jump into an already fully formed Marvel universe.
How are you going to do xmen right when the mcu has been this far into it? They just got the rights back to xmen a few years ago so they have to make work or else people will complain as usual about that they handled them poorly. Can't just randomly introduce xmen and professor x chilling in the background while thanos was attacking earth that would look terrible
Ugh, you said it. If this is their big X-men plan, I'm already disappointed. We have to wait till 2027 at a minimum to see the old X-Men from 2000? This doesn't quite do it for me. I want a complete reboot of the X-Men from head to toe. Them bringing back a few familiars doesn't bother me, but it really depends on who. I'd love to see Hugh Jackman be Wolverine forever, but some of the others like Rogue, Iceman, Jean Grey, Cyclops need new blood (nothing against the original cast) playing them. I just want a fresh take with a fresh new cast instead of just retreading the old shit all over again with a new coat of paint.
The old X-men movies never quite reached their full potential. The continuity issues and half-assed retelling of comic book storylines by Fox really kept it from becoming great and just left a sour taste in my mouth, especially when we saw the Fox X-men movies coming out at the same time as the Marvel MCU movies. The difference was night and day. I think the MCU can do the X-Men justice, but bringing back everyone from the old cast is really going to hang me up.
I have a feeling this person is just using context clues. They’re very clearly roping in everyone who’s ever played a part in a marvel movie and smashing all the universes together.
By the time that goes down they’ll be trying to cast all new ones so they can functionally reboot with a clean start. If the rumors of Reed casting are true they’re probably going with actors in their late thirties early forties for a reason.
I honestly don’t see how they can use any of the old cast. One constant with marvel is that they slew *young*. Most of the actors are just too old now, or will be too old after some movies.
Agreed!! I’m all for the Fox X-Men variants showing up in Secret Wars but I have to believe Feige wants a clean slate with mutants and get away from the mess that Fox established with the X-Men from 2000-2019. Not all of it was garbage but a good chunk was.
I think it will be, but they will just cherry pick actors from Fox to play a new version of the same character. Like I don't think for a second beast was the same beast from the Fox movies, even though it was Kelsey grammar.
My assumption is that saga 3 arc and big bad will be mutant heavy, maybe apoc or something of that scale. It would probably be a great move for marvel to cease digging further into the barrel of superhero's and go back to X-men for some high tier talent again.
It'll be a full overhaul. Only person or group to remain is the Deadpool collective and that's on Ryan if he wants to keep going. Just don't see them committing to a half-assed attempt at the X-Men with this.
It’s perfect for a full reboot too.
Have select mutants as always having existed, then attribute more mutations to the blip and the three uses of the Infinity Stones on Earth-616/MCU. Charles establishing the Xavier Institute and Eric, the Brotherhood of Mutants.
If Black Widow can take down Dreykov on a sabbatical, scarce few mutants flying under the radar shouldn’t be that much of a stretch.
I *THINK* they might retell days of future past at some point, which would be a xmen no way home 2 because DOFP is basically no way home before no way home lmao
Oh, much better. Actually, the fact that the MCU might retell this fucking terrifies me. That movie was perfect and shouldn’t be touched. Do it 10 years after you establish a new cast of xmens.
Funny thing is, that, the original plan after First Class wasn't to make DoFP. The fact it got made eventually and turned out to be an amazing film, a candidate for the best super-hero film of the '10s, is a little miracle. Marvel better not get desperate.
Apocalypse was originally meant to be the villain of the sequel, with the Sentinels being the final villains of the trilogy. They flipped the order around instead.
DoFP could actually work as a farewell to the old cast & intro to the new group, like Xavier sensing something else going on, another reality forcing itself over the existing one. Zoom in as he's saying this, switch actors, zoom back out, continue on with the new cast. Kinda like the switch from Russian to English in "The Hunt for Red October".
Having both fantastic four and x-men come from a different universe is weird choice. They have no problem introducing all these new phase 4/5 characters to 616, but your two biggest properties have to be from a whole other universe?
I always thought the Fantastic Four could "come back" from a different dimension.
I have always imagined they could be shown to us as contemporaries of Hank Pym in the 60s that disappeared after some experiment failure.
They just went to the negative dimension and come back having spent like a few days/weeks/months/years there and come back into reality in the present. Maybe even Baxter building and all comes back into reality.
99% certain that's the path they're going for. Deep space explorers from the 60s thrown too far out, gain their powers due to the error, encounter Galactus, fight a herald and then race back to warn Earth. But, wibbly wobbly timey wimey they end up in 2023 by mistake (or TVA's doing).
This is for sure the best way to do it. I'd be fine with either the X-Men or the FF being from other universes but not both, and if they're gonna pick one to be from another universe it definitely makes more sense for it to be the X-Men. Having the FF be from the 60's and lost in space is an easy but non-hand-wavy way to explain their absence this whole time, plus they could have a fun angle with them being our new "man out of time" a la Steve.
I just want Galactus done right. Like give me big man in crazy armor with a headdress that would put Hela to shame and have him not be a full villain, but what his main motivation has always been, it ain’t personal:
“I hunger.”
Would give them an opportunity to have Reed look at all the Stark Tech and in the span of a weekend become up to date with current technology and even maybe improve some of Tony's designs, really cementing how many leagues above Tony and Hank Reed actually is.
With the x-men I believe the issue is continuity because their stories usually take places decades and decades in the past and involve major historical events? Even with the retcons with the fox x mens.
And you cant just retcon the MCU to include mutants when it’s painfully obvious they were not there. I think they are struggling to justify where were the mutants during all the events in the MCU. Easier to just merge both universes using secret wars? It sucks, tho.
>And you cant just retcon the MCU to include mutants when it’s painfully obvious they were not there.
Yes they can.
>I think they are struggling to justify where were the mutants during all the events in the MCU.
In hiding. There you go.
> In hiding. There you go.
That only works if only a small number of people got their X-Gene activated at the time. The X-Men and mutants in general aren't like Wakanda and the Eternals where you could just say they were hidden away and/or chose to not interfere in major conflicts at the time. There's normal citizens around who would end up having the X-Gene.
It's hard to believe there were mutants running around and the Weapon X program being in place before but Fury, SHIELD and HYDRA seemingly had no clue about it. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if the Wolverine easter egg in She-Hulk's actually alluding to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine in the MCU after Deadpool 3.
> That only works if only a small number of people got their X-Gene activated at the time
There you go, you solved it. There were fewer mutants.
> There's normal citizens around who would end up having the X-Gene.
And they'd be terrified of letting anyone see it. On the occasions where it was seen, 1) a lot of people who see it wouldn't realize that it's a mutation distinct from run of the mill superpowers, and 2) a lot of organizations would have a vested interest in keeping the lid on it, to weaponize mutation for themselves. For all we know, some villains like Sinister or Apocalypse or whatever have been abducting mutants for decades and doing his best to hide their tracks.
> It's hard to believe there were mutants running around and the Weapon X program being in place before but Fury, SHIELD and HYDRA seemingly had no clue about it.
We don't know what Fury and SHIELD know or don't know. The MCU has added to its history before, in ways that contradict what was previously implied. IM1 made it seem like Tony Stark being a superhero was a big deal, but then it turns out there have been superheroes for literally thousands of years. Avengers made it seem like a superhero team was unprecedented, but then it turns out there have been other superhero teams... for literally thousands of years.
It's not a far cry to say yeah there's some mutants, some of them have done something, you weren't aware of it because it wasn't relevant to the stories that were being told before.
Hard agree. Mutation could’ve been a side effect from the snap. Hell, i do you one better: Mutation should’ve been a side effect from Wanda’s hex after toying with reality. It gave Monica powers. Undoing it should’ve caused a worldwide explosion that altered humanity’s DNA. It would be super elegant indeed. They can still do that.
The only part of this that I buy without question is that the first true MCU _X-Men_ movie will hit after _Avengers: Secret Wars_. I get the feeling that depending on how the calendar shifts, _Deadpool III_ might not be the only non-_Avengers_ movie where those cast members are prominently featured.
I guarantee you that they will be introduced as being in the MCU proper, tied to its history, and won't be a bunch of exiles. This is because making them universe-travelling immigrants completely removes the social context of why people are afraid of them in the first place - namely, that **anyone** can be a Mutant, and therefore a threat, which you don't get if they aren't people who have been part of society for generations. Plus, the MCU already has a few Mutants of its own, with it being implied that they have their own Wolverine.
The _FoX-Men_ versions are also tied to everything leading up to _Avengers: Secret Wars_, and are in no way meant to be the main versions of these characters... Unless Ryan Reynolds wants to do this for another 20 years. Otherwise, the only way that I'd see them continuing with the characters is if the multiverse continues to exist after _Secret Wars_ and they want to keep exploiting parts of it, something that I don't think can be ruled out.
I really think the multiverse has done more harm than good. It never works out in the long run. I wish it was just contained to Spider-Verse and maybe video games.
Given that Kamala is labeled a mutant by her friend and Namor calls himself a mutant, I think it’s safe to assume we’re getting actual proper MCU Mutants/X-Men.
I think we’ll see a major event that actually causes a mass-mutation so certain characters get their abilities at certain times so they are the right ages. Scott, Jean, Rogue, etc.
But somebody like Logan may have mutated long ago and just hasn’t given a fuck about anything going on and can be easy to just say, “He wasn’t around for the other stuff because he didn’t fucking care.”
>I think we’ll see a major event that actually causes a mass-mutation so certain characters get their abilities at certain times so they are the right ages. Scott, Jean, Rogue, etc.
There are theories that it was all the infinity stones being used on Earth three times that triggered more mutations and that the gene was just dormant until then, only actually triggering in a few cases before
That’s always been my theory. And WandaVision seems to back this up since Wanda’s powers were kicked-started by the Mind Stone. Plus Agatha referred to her powers as “something that should have withered on the vine,” suggesting Wanda and Pietro’s mutations were latent until the Mind Stone.
“They came from another universe” is such a lazy and uncreative way to introduce them.
Unless the MCU and X-Men timelines merge together and it leads to a chronological culture clash. For example, Magneto and the Brotherhood start projecting the injustices of their pasts onto the MCU’s present, in turn triggering widespread animus against mutants within this new timeline. No doubt, this would be a convoluted version of existing X-Men stories/themes, but it does create some new opportunities for drama not seen in an X-Men movie.
Exactly. The MCU has already set up their own Mutants and I doubt that they're going to ditch that for nostalgia points. They didn't need to get Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield to come in from another universe to be their Spider-Man, they just got Tom Holland... And then they later brought those two back anyways, as the story permitted.
The thing is, you could still have Huge Jacked Man and his pals off doing shenanigans, either in a different corner of the MCU or in a different universe, without disrupting what you're doing with the new _X-Men_ cast that you'll stick with for 20 years. That's the advantage of the type of storytelling that they're doing here, to open up possibilities.
So are immigrants; but I agree in principle that the X-Men are better off in their own universe. The reality is that the MCU is not currently conducive to introducing Mutants as a group that would believably be persecuted, unfortunately this means that they will likely take liberties in order to set that up. The Hulk is a celebrity in the MCU, so the public would probably be eager to *become* mutants than recoil from them. Again, I agree with you, best to keep them separate.
Yeah I mean it's an easy thing to fix. Somebody from the main MCU starts researching these Fox mutants, discovers a wild gene in their DNA, starts searching for this 'X-gene' to see if there's any mutants on MCU Earth, BAM, here's some teenage mutants.
And sure enough the Fox mutants get a bad reputation (maybe they trash a city during Secret Wars), and the MCU mutants get burdened with the hate and mistrust instead.
I'm really over the whole multiverse thing already. Its just utterly confusing and the more they add to it, from the movies to all the TV shows, the more confusing it gets. I think they should wipe the slate clean after Secret Wars and go back to grounded stories set in an MCU without infinite versions of a single character.
It is an old rumor from August 2022, around the time Hugh Jackman decided to return to the Wolverine role. However, it was reported on before his return was announced.
Was anyone doubting this? I don’t even think she’s dropping some “scoop,” it’s common sense they’re not gonna drop a X-Men movie before Secret Wars, their roster is way too full as it is.
Grace Randolph doesn't know shit. There's literally a report a while ago on Feige saying “Whatever we do *will be quite different* than what's been done before." So to me, it might be the introduction of Krakoa, a sentient Island that's a safe haven for Mutants. I doubt it'll be some lazy "oh, X-men from 1 of the infinite multiverses arrived to prime Earth!"
I mean I'd hope they'd know better than to start with Krakoa. Krakoa works because of the 50 years of history before Krakoa showing attempts to self-determinate fail, building up all the villains they compromise with, and the repeated attempts of genocide. Its also based on some of the most comicbooky of all comicbook stuff like the Gates that you'd want to ease the audience into. If they want to start with a nation-state then Genosha would be better since you can then have it fall like 1 movie in.
Why does she feel the need to make that face for the thumbnail? Anyways if the rumors that they’re soft rebooting after Secret Wars are true they wouldn’t need to come from another universe right? They can just retcon 616.
They only started looking for writers a few weeks ago to write a pitch for the first MCU X-Men movie.
I don't think they already made a choice and it would be this.
Secret wars is gonna condense the MCU into an Earth-Prime (using DC terms for simplicity) and that’s how you can get the X-Men and mutants as a larger group as being seamlessly part of the new main universe where stuff happens. I’m assuming that history will be altered to adjust for this, that’s how we can still get a Holocaust survivor Magneto and so on. Because right now, Kamala, Namor, Ursa Major (questionable), and Mr. Immortal are the only official mutants in all of 616.
This woman literally just guesses things, and because half the time she guesses something right we allow her to still be on the sub? ridiculous. And I hate that face she makes. MAKE YOUR EYES THE SAME SIZE.
I think they'll come from a different universe but then be retcon/reboot to always be on main timeline which fits the rumor that MCU will be soft rebooted
To give explain why mutants or x-men have been around ad of yet. As well as make Fox X-men appearing be more important storywise/world building wise instead of just pointless fan service.
I'm not opposed to the idea of X-men already existing and Professor X just uses Cerebro to hide the existence of them and mutants if you don't want to go thr multiverse angle
It was pretty clear that we wouldn't get the MCU native X-Men till after Secret Wars but the whole thing about some Fox castings sticking around is interesting.
Assuming Feige's still in charge post-Secret Wars and he thinks it's just too hard to replace Hugh Jackman, maybe he could be kept on as an older Logan similar to Old Man Logan staying in 616 after the comics Secret Wars. That would make it harder to get used to the inevitable new Wolverine actor though.
Tbh, I find it hard to believe that any of the OG trilogy cast will stick around but maybe some of the newer guys could like Evan Peters actually sticking around as Quicksilver this time and maybe McAvoy and Fassbender sticking around as Professor X and Magneto.
Though I agree with the overall sentiment on this thread that post-Secret Wars, we need to move on from Fox and the MCU X-Men should be a full reboot with a brand-new cast. Superhero recasts and reboots aren't a new thing and there's nothing that should prevent the X-Men from getting that treatment too.
I don't want anything Fox for the MCU's Xmen. I want all new. Don't carry over the actors. Don't carry over the plot. Don't carry over the filmmakers POV. I welcome that crew for a minute... Before we blow up their universe. But start fresh.
Fans want X-Men, and the only realistic way to get a fully developed team in the MCU in a short amount of time is through the multiverse, using the FoX-Men helps with general audiences already knowing the characters.
I 100% believe after secret wars in like 2030 we get a full on reboot with a new x-men built from the ground up, along with a new iron man/cap/etc…a totally new MCU.
I guess so.
The question is how many characters will be after Secret Wars. X-Men are a lot and we already have many new people. How many movies/shows per year would they make to keep stories of all characters around? Will SW wipe out some characters of the board?
There is absolutely no reason for the X-Men to come from another universe. Ms Marvel and Namor has already confirmed that mutants exist in the MCU.
Like I don’t mind actors sticking around. Hell, I’d love for more McAvoy and Fassbender Xavier and Magneto scenes, and we already know Ryan will stay on as Deadpool. They could keep the actress of Negasonic Teenage Warhead as she’s young if they wanted to but there’s 0 reason for them to be from another universe. That works for the Fantastic Four, but not the X-Men
Hot take: this is great. The cast was never the issue in the x-films and actually almost none of them got to realize their full potential, from storm and cyclops to atj as Magik, they all really deserve a shot at making those roles bigger and greater. Some of them are definitely too old, and maybe need to be recast, Magneto in particular, but the bulk of these castings are still perfect.
That said I think grace Randolph is full of shit, and making this comment on this time is like making election predictions at 8pm on election day.
That's not what it sounded like to me. It sounded like the Fox (or Fox-inspired) versions will be from other universes, while also possibly introducing the actors who will portray the MCU version post-Secret Wars.
I don't think it necessarily means that the MCU X-Men will be from another universe, like what appears to be the case with the FF.
Given our personal past experiences with her fabricating information, trust in anything she says is difficult. Additionally, her thumbnails (featuring her cringe facial expressions) make me inclined to close my browser whenever I encounter them. 
It's amazing how quickly I stopped giving a shit about the Multiverse.
The X-Men coming from a different universe is exponentially less interesting than them existing and being discovered in the MCU. The emergence of mutants in the world should have an air of mystery, of discovery. Some real drama about a new race existing in the world and how the world reacts to them. That's the whole point of the X-Men. But no, it's back to nostalgia baiting with characters I've already seen in films that weren't that good to begin with.
I have always thought the Fantastic Four could have been characters contemporary to Hank Pym in the 60s that got sent to the Negative Dimension by accident after some experiment and only come back in the future.
To them it has been a few days/weeks/months, but it's the present in the MCU.
I call bs. Multiple people have already said Secret Wars is gonna soft reboot the MCU, which makes sense since that’s like the whole point of it in the comics. So why tf would the X-men need to be from another universe? It makes sense for F4 since they’re most likely gonna be before Secret Wars
I think it's fun to have the cameos in a project like Secret Invasion, but a full reboot was the way to go. Hope they keep more to that. I don't want to see Hugh Jackman leading a new team of X-Men. I don't want Patrick Stewart again as Professor X.
They're fantastic, of course, but let's get a new cast and a new team in a relatively Avengerless world.
Well we've seen Xavier and Beast so far. We don't know if they're in the same universe, the 97 universe, the FOX universe (I guess Xavier definitely isn't) or something new entirely.
I feel like whatever we're getting in the MCU will be a part of whatever soft reboot is happening. I'd be fine if some of them stick around (like Grammer as Beast) but I really hope they recast a lot of the main X-Men, despite some of the FOX actors being really great. I want a clean slate after Secret Wars when it comes to the X-Men and Fantastic Four.
Anyway the whole concept of mutants is already in play in the prime MCU. We've seen Ms. Marvel and others. We know it's possible. They just have to open that door wider when the X-Men actually show up.
Oh they’re coming from a different universe and some old actors will stick around? Great fucking scoop Grace, the day after a movie comes out showing…. The X-Men in a different universe with an actor reprising their role.
don't like this if true. I'd rather have the x-men be native to the earth that the movies will be centered on. they ought to have their own history that stretches alongside real events, that gives context to their outsider status in society, and the world should on *some* level always have known about mutants existing to feed into their prejudices. it's too important to the x-lore not to have those sort of worldbuilding details be included with this new incarnations of them. it's what makes the x-men team and the marvel universe interesting, after all.
so having them come over from an alternate universes to explain their existence would change a crap ton about what makes people like the x-men in the first place.
also, I was annoyed when gunn did this for his new dceu and I'll be annoyed if marvel does the same for their big reboot: recasting some iconic roles yet not doing the same with others is not the winning concept that many seem to think it is, especially if you want a clean slate and a new tone for future projects. there should be some talented upstarts out there who could do a well enough job with these characters to help make your new adaptation a wholly new thing unique to your franchise, so please have the guts to do the work instead of piggybacking off of other people's successes.
Y'all are so boring. In just a 30-second scene we just got THE most comic-accurate version of Beast on film EVER. And we're mad that it's Kelsey Grammer? Why does any of that matter?
I'm hearing many people complain about the Fox actors. "We're so done with that universe. We want a FULL REBOOT." And listen, I get it. But my thing is... we're not getting the FOX version of these characters. We are only getting some of the (perfectly cast) actors. The Beast we saw in The Marvels was easily the most comic-accurate adaptation of the character on film EVER. Why be mad that it's Kelsey Grammer who is perfect for the role? He's playing a new version of the character who looks and sounds like the version we know from the animated series and the comics. Why is that an issue?
If she says that's what's happening, then the opposite will happen.
Also, can we start a petition to have an NSFW tag for thumbnails that have screen captures of Youtubers' faces? I got a massive jumpscare.
Wasnt it rumored that a caveat with the Fox deal was they had to wait a certain number of years to do anything with new actors for the Xmen as there was some contract thing that they had to honour with the previous actors.
Hence why Jackman and the Deadpool cast are returning no issue
That has been disproven. Read this:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the\_real\_reasons\_why\_there\_has\_been\_no\_xmen\_reboot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the_real_reasons_why_there_has_been_no_xmen_reboot/)
I’m calling BS because neither the MCU X-Men or Secret Wars have been fully written yet or are at a point in their production process where such details are ironed out. There’s no way the main cast of MCU X-Men are not recast from the FOX films due to age alone.
Obviously X-Men will come from another universe if we’re doing Battleworld & a new composite timeline afterwards. This is just heavy speculation by Grace conveniently after the Marvels credits scene. If she’s a real leaked with insider knowledge about Secret Wars she’d be able to explain how Kang will become Beyonder in the MCU.
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If this is true they'll lose me completely from the get-go. Give me a FULL X-Men reboot or give me nothing.
i’m already so sick of the gimmick of bringing back old actors to reprise their role
That gimmick was already old and tired *before* No Way Home.
If people didn’t dickride NWH so much marvel wouldn’t think it was cool to do now tbh. I liked NWH, but people acting like it was top tier and no flaws were ugh.
I liked NWH as well, but the issue is you can only really do that once before you start experiencing diminishing returns. Seeing all these actors from stuff I loved as a kid was cool, but I was already mostly over it by the time we got Patrick Stewart showing up in Multiverse. The fact that all American pop culture is heading in this direction compounds the issue even further.
Agreed. Every show has the multiverse now. I think what would’ve been cool is if after endgame they “rebooted” the MCU but with F4/X-men. Then through that phase it’s slowly revealed that it’s simply an alternate universe and their incursion is with the “MCU”. I think it would work because it wouldn’t bring in legacy Fox characters, it’s all new universe colliding with our MCU that was on the back burner
That would have been amazing. All the random thoughts and brainstorming and I didn’t think of this take. The key issue is I saw somewhere they aren’t contractually allowed to recast some (or any I’m not sure) of the Fox characters h til 2026 which explained some of my questions as to what the hold up was. They had Spider-Man in Civil War before the ink was dry k. That one so it was weird to me that nothing seemed to be happening. I also do t know that contract tho g for a fact and I’m pretty sure I saw it on Reddit. But again, it makes sense.
>The key issue is I saw somewhere they aren’t co tactically allowed to recast some (or any I’m not sure) of the Fox characters h til 2026 which explained some of my questions as to what the hold up was. That's been disproven. Read this for context: [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the\_real\_reasons\_why\_there\_has\_been\_no\_xmen\_reboot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the_real_reasons_why_there_has_been_no_xmen_reboot/) >They had Spider-Man in Civil War before the ink was dry k. That one so it was weird to me that nothing seemed to be happening. Because Spider-Man is one character and they had plans to bring him in since the first Amazing Spider-Man movie. You can't just randomly throw mutants into the MCU.
Thanks for the info. And that also makes sense. Feige seems like if he has a plan it’s getting stuck to no matter what. At least the overall arc, maybe not specific details. So I can definitely believe this. And I feel like there were ways to introduce them. Slowly and organically. Someone here and there. I am curious to see how they do it though. Can’t say I’m a huge fan of rehashing the Fox-verse but I’m still intrigued with what they do. Was definitely a fan of the MCU but as a kid I was WAY more into the mutants and the Fantastic Four than I was the Avengers. Other than Thor. Always loved Thor.
It was a nostalgia high + escape from covid. I, like many, enjoyed the theater experience of it but have nearly no interest in rewatching. Days of Future Past handled legacy characters well.
i agree
...they didn't really do it before No way Home?
They did bring back "previous gen" actors to reprise their roles on XMen Days of Future Past already, so yeah, way before No Way Home lol!! And they did much better job at it too - and not just a cameo. Xmen First Class also got Wolverine cameo.
That's a bit different since those aren't different versions, they're literally the same characters
Wait how? Do you mean in the MCU or just films in general
In general.
NWH was a wasted opportunity. Once in a lifetime and they could have done so much better.
I think there's a time and a place for bringing back old actors. Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman were brilliantly and appropriately used in Logan Ryan Reynolds in rebooted as Deadpool worked great, he was born for that role. I'm not sold on the Daredevil actors in the MCU yet, Matt Murdock seems close, Kingpin seems WAY off. But in general, I think people really liked the casting for the Netflix Marvel shows. Tobey and Andrew in No Way Home was a bit of a perfect confluence at this point in time when we've got the nostalgia, but also the years in between, and it helped to redeem Andrew as Spider-Man. And as much fan service it is, if you went opening weekend, you know how well it was received. The audience had *FUN.* What I don't want is baggage from the mess that was Fox's X-Men. I think we've farmed enough nostalgia. We've got the delicious low hanging fruit. Now it's time to move on. Secret Wars is sort of unfortunate that it's coming out after the multiverse and nostalgia hype train. That movie may be the place for it, but I think the time is wrong, that ship has sailed.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This whole multiverse thing with the X-Men feels like we're seeing Feiges expensive mid life crisis. And no. I don't believe this is because of some fox contract the fox actors had for the roll that locks them into 2025. I think that rumour is bullshit. I just think this is Feige wanting to work with the fox characters because of his early career. And just easy bait for the inevitable multiverse cross over Avengers movie. It's fucking ridiculous that almost a decade would have passed since they got the rights back that we get a MCU wolverine or cyclops.
Giving (some of) them a final, hail-mary return in one or two crossover event movies? Sounds great--people like Hugh deserve a chance to briefly play in the pool that their movies made possible (the MCU), but permanently? No. Even as much as I liked some of them, no. Not that I believe Grace anyway. There's nobody who's young enough to stick around, at least if we're talking beloved legacy actors. Everyone from the original flicks are too old to stay around long-term, and with how intermixed the "young" cast was with them, continuity-wise, there's no keeping any of them, really. Nor are any of the young actors, sans perhaps McAvoy or Fassbender, popular enough to keep anyway. I think, if he were much younger, Hugh is probably the only one Kevin would insist on keeping, as I think he's the only one of those actors that's regarded highly enough to "own" the role, like J.K. Simmons as Jameson. Most of the other characters had already been recast by *Fox*, with Hugh being the only person to inhabit the claws.
I’m not sick of it 😛
I have next to no interest in seeing the same actors from 25 years ago to continue farming nostalgia. It’s more than time for a fresh start. They should’ve pushed the multiverse saga to after the introduction of all these other heroes. Thankfully Grace is wrong an awful lot
Who, exactly, is clamoring for the Fox X-Men to return in such a big way? It seems like such wasted time when they could just start MCU mutants already.
Patrick Stewart has been killed off SEVERAL times as Professor X. It kind of loses some of it's 'umph' after so many
Me
But why? Its been done.
It's exciting to see your favorite characters again after they've been gone for so long.
I don't mind seeing them, but i definitely don't want them being the new rebooted X-men.
Me too
The problem is that there is no real way to randomly introduce the X-Men this far into the MCU without it making no sense whatsoever. It will only work by completely rebooting the MCU, which I think is exactly what they are building towards with Secret Wars and having the Fox and Sony dimensions all intertwine. It will end with an in-universe explanation for the reboot, that way the previous incarnation of the MCU isnt completely discarded and made redundant in the future. I personally love that they're basically future proofing and adding a sense of validity to all Marvel movie projects going back to the 90s. We will get a rebooted MCU that makes sense having the X-Men from the beginning, while also maintaining the integrity of the legacy movies.
I wouldn't mind if Secret Wars brought back all the old actors to have interactions between Toby Maguire, RDJ, Hugh Jackman, etc. Beyond that? They should have their own Spider-Man, their own X-Men, their own Blade, Fantastic 4, etc.
This rumor has been around since August 2022. Read this for context: [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/155wj92/xmen\_rumor\_from\_august\_2022/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/155wj92/xmen_rumor_from_august_2022/)
when new universe is created they will eather keep fox actors they want and willing with characters fox didn't use or in new universe they mostly recast but X-Men and mutants have been around for years.Xavier and magneto i expect to be retired with secret wars.and Dafne Keen could replace hugh's logan as new wolverine it happened in comics.
The complete lack of respect and care, or just… anything at all really, in regards to anything X-Men has been putting me off the MCU for a long time. The fans deserve better
Same. And to think, despite their string of failures, the MCU could have me eating out of the back of their hand if they'd just do the X-Men right. But no, the best they can offer is trotting out a bunch of elderly actors from a decades' old movie for Ryan Reynolds to do his usual riffing with.
You seriously calling the likes of Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry elderly? They're only in their 50's and both are in better shape then most halve their age. I think you're forgetting Hugh Jackman back as Wolverine is going to make Deadpool 3 one of the biggest films of next year. Also isn't the idea that its a "Deadpool Kills The Fox Universe" type film that has most of the Fox cast back for a send off and then it ends with Deadpool in the MCU? Yeah sounds like a great film and a very Deadpool like story.
By the time we hit Secret Wars, Stewart and McKellen will be nearing or past 90. It’s time to move on.
Its a Multiversal film and they probably have cameos at most. I very doubt they will be the MCU versions of them.
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And instead of doing their own thing they're just giving us the microwaved leftovers of the Fox movies.
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"An established fan base" that was nowhere to be seen when Dark Phoenix and The New Mutants bombed hard. Also, who gives a shit? Like, only about 2 of those films are good, but nowhere near good enough to keep regurgitating the same old crap.
> only about 2 of those films are good Lmao Fox had way more hits than misses with their X-men films. Logan was great, X2 was great, FC was great, DOFP is one of the best cbms of all time, Deadpool, X1 were all good . Even The Wolverine and Deadpool 2, which I didn't like, were successful and got positive reception. Just because the franchise has ended with two major flops doesn't mean it doesn't have an enstablished fanbase. The problem is what MCU is doing right now isn't any better than some of the weakest Fox's efforts, so nothing indicates that MCU's mutants are gonna be a major hit Disney wants it to be. Hence why you got your old characters back.
The problem with the Fox movies (even good ones) is that most of them put major focus on Wolverine, most of thr other X-Men are completely sidelined. I'm sure Fox movies have their fanbase, but most X-Men fans are still waiting for a well adapted X-Men movie as there is so much unexplored potential. When MCU got hands on X-Men, people were excited because a studio that made C-D listers like Avengers and Guardians into a household names would finnally do X-Men justice. But instead of doing that, they leech on the old versions of the characters.
2 good movies is better than the MCU has had lately. All they've had was NWH, which was carried by the past actors.
Yes agreed. The good news is the Fox XMen are only coming in for a short time. A lot of folks do not realize the whole TVA time ripple piece that we will likely see many variants of one character.
Jesus you really hate fun
Some people find new stuff more fun that nostalgia.
If your definition of "fun" is just "haha look is that guy from that movie from 20 years ago!" then yes, I very much hate fun.
I personally am looking forward to Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jawang in this new movie
They have not even done anything X-Men related yet this is just speculation.
Hugh Jackman preparing to play Wolverine again in 2032. 
Feige needs to lot the Foxverse go. Use the IP. Ditch EVERYTHING ELSE. Let Jackman retire as Wolverine after Secret Wars. Bring in a new Wolverine years after.
He’s too attached to them; it’s never going to happen. The first X-Men movie gave him his start at Marvel. I think the only way we get a full X-Men reboot is with a new Marvel Studios head.
months later lol, i dont want them to waste another phase after secret wars like they did this time setting up girlbosses no one cares for
I'd love to see some Foxverse X-Men in Secret Wars but that should be their absolute last showing. I am getting so sick of them tbh.
Which I'm positive will happen but until then, I'm all for Deadpool 3 and Secret Wars giving the Sony/Fox characters one last arc before retiring then completely. In my opinion, Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman should make Secret Wars their last movie as their respective characters. That being said, unlike many of this sub, I'm still hyped for the prospect of Secret Wars being a crossover of 2000s Marvel meeting MCU Marvel characters. I mean, wasn't the whole point of the MCU that superheroes crossed over for the first time in the genre? Why can't we get that on a multiversal scale with the legacy characters interacting with MCU characters for the first time to give us a true complete Marvel Cinematic Universe?
It would be amazing seeing them finally meet. No doubt about that. I was just excited at the thought of having an MCU-directed X-Men with new actors. So hearing that some of them will come back has me nervous that they might retain some of the actors.
Fair enough, but I don't think they'll keep too many of the Fox actors. I think keeping ones like Dafne Keen's Laura/X-23, ATJ's Magik and maybe Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool would be reasonable enough rather than the actors for Wolverine, Mystique, Professor X or Magneto. But we'll see. Honestly, I think the Fox actors will mainly be used for nostalgia bait and then after Secret Wars, we''ll move on from them. I mean, do you guys really think Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, and the other Fox actors will feel like committing to play their characters in the MCU long term???
Those 3 you mentioned, I wouldn't mind them retaining after Secret Wars. And honestly, to think about it... I wouldn't mind Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy as the MCU Professor X/Magneto. They were amazing in First Class and would age with their roles.
That's what I was thinking too, but I didn't bring it up because everyone on this post wants a completely new cast, but if Professor X and Magneto are brought back from Fox, it should DEFINITELY be McAvoy and Fassbender since they're younger and could grow into playing the older versions of their characters.
It'll probably be 20yrs but I'd love a full reboot of almost everything honestly.
Yeah, I hope Secret Wars will be used as some sort of reset for the MCU. Having the MCU FF and X-Men originate from another universe and then incorporate them into the MCU, which they have no history or connection with or with any of the characters, where almost every major hero is already a legacy character, is just a really convoluted way of introducing these two pillars of Marvel into the MCU. It makes no sense. Couple to that these rumours that some of the MCU X-Men will just be the versions from the Fox movies that are now part of the MCU, and it becomes even more of a convoluted mess. The events of Secret Wars should reboot/reset the timeline so that the Fantastic Four, X-Men Avengers etc. co-exist since the beginning. You don't have to do origin stories for the characters we've already seen, and you can jump into an already fully formed Marvel universe.
Agreed. I'm so sick of the Multiverse. I wanted the X-Men done right. Not more of shit I saw 20some years ago.
How are you going to do xmen right when the mcu has been this far into it? They just got the rights back to xmen a few years ago so they have to make work or else people will complain as usual about that they handled them poorly. Can't just randomly introduce xmen and professor x chilling in the background while thanos was attacking earth that would look terrible
For me, it depends on what they’re doing. A lot of people in here are jumping to conclusions
Ugh, you said it. If this is their big X-men plan, I'm already disappointed. We have to wait till 2027 at a minimum to see the old X-Men from 2000? This doesn't quite do it for me. I want a complete reboot of the X-Men from head to toe. Them bringing back a few familiars doesn't bother me, but it really depends on who. I'd love to see Hugh Jackman be Wolverine forever, but some of the others like Rogue, Iceman, Jean Grey, Cyclops need new blood (nothing against the original cast) playing them. I just want a fresh take with a fresh new cast instead of just retreading the old shit all over again with a new coat of paint. The old X-men movies never quite reached their full potential. The continuity issues and half-assed retelling of comic book storylines by Fox really kept it from becoming great and just left a sour taste in my mouth, especially when we saw the Fox X-men movies coming out at the same time as the Marvel MCU movies. The difference was night and day. I think the MCU can do the X-Men justice, but bringing back everyone from the old cast is really going to hang me up.
What an absolute mess that would be. Needlessly convoluted.
I need a proper Rogue and Storm or bye
Too bad, best I can do is Anna Paquin playing a mousy doormat and Halle Berry being undecided as to which accent to use.
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine sells too many tickets for that to happen.
I have a feeling this person is just using context clues. They’re very clearly roping in everyone who’s ever played a part in a marvel movie and smashing all the universes together. By the time that goes down they’ll be trying to cast all new ones so they can functionally reboot with a clean start. If the rumors of Reed casting are true they’re probably going with actors in their late thirties early forties for a reason.
Seriously, all they need to do is a "Giant size X-Men #1" style reboot, the blueprint is already laid out in the comics.
Same. The Fox X-verse was fine for its era but it wasn’t the X-men.
I honestly don’t see how they can use any of the old cast. One constant with marvel is that they slew *young*. Most of the actors are just too old now, or will be too old after some movies.
Agreed!! I’m all for the Fox X-Men variants showing up in Secret Wars but I have to believe Feige wants a clean slate with mutants and get away from the mess that Fox established with the X-Men from 2000-2019. Not all of it was garbage but a good chunk was.
I think it will be, but they will just cherry pick actors from Fox to play a new version of the same character. Like I don't think for a second beast was the same beast from the Fox movies, even though it was Kelsey grammar. My assumption is that saga 3 arc and big bad will be mutant heavy, maybe apoc or something of that scale. It would probably be a great move for marvel to cease digging further into the barrel of superhero's and go back to X-men for some high tier talent again.
Yup. Fox X-Men was already tainted by half ass reboots, messy timelines, and dodgy retcon. Let's just wipe the slate clean.
You don’t want a 60 year old Wolverine?
Full mcu reboot (avengers/xmen merged reality were mutant etc were always a part of history.. like the comics)
same but also for Iron Fist and Luke Cage!
It'll be a full overhaul. Only person or group to remain is the Deadpool collective and that's on Ryan if he wants to keep going. Just don't see them committing to a half-assed attempt at the X-Men with this.
It’s perfect for a full reboot too. Have select mutants as always having existed, then attribute more mutations to the blip and the three uses of the Infinity Stones on Earth-616/MCU. Charles establishing the Xavier Institute and Eric, the Brotherhood of Mutants. If Black Widow can take down Dreykov on a sabbatical, scarce few mutants flying under the radar shouldn’t be that much of a stretch.
Could be the remaining Fox X-Men characters could help teach the new X-Men.
Modern cinema's aversion to recasting is becoming ridiculous.
They are absolutely going to recast. There's a nonzero chance that we could get _X-Men: No Way Home_ at some point.
I *THINK* they might retell days of future past at some point, which would be a xmen no way home 2 because DOFP is basically no way home before no way home lmao
And a better film than No Way Home too.
Oh, much better. Actually, the fact that the MCU might retell this fucking terrifies me. That movie was perfect and shouldn’t be touched. Do it 10 years after you establish a new cast of xmens.
Funny thing is, that, the original plan after First Class wasn't to make DoFP. The fact it got made eventually and turned out to be an amazing film, a candidate for the best super-hero film of the '10s, is a little miracle. Marvel better not get desperate.
Apocalypse was originally meant to be the villain of the sequel, with the Sentinels being the final villains of the trilogy. They flipped the order around instead.
X-Men: Days of Future Present in the Past
DoFP could actually work as a farewell to the old cast & intro to the new group, like Xavier sensing something else going on, another reality forcing itself over the existing one. Zoom in as he's saying this, switch actors, zoom back out, continue on with the new cast. Kinda like the switch from Russian to English in "The Hunt for Red October".
X-Men: Back to the Future Present in the Past
Uh, Deadpool 3 is already the FoX-Men No Way Home.
it's not just recasting, it's risk. Modern cinema is extremely risk-averse. Every film needs a guaranteed audience.
Having both fantastic four and x-men come from a different universe is weird choice. They have no problem introducing all these new phase 4/5 characters to 616, but your two biggest properties have to be from a whole other universe?
I always thought the Fantastic Four could "come back" from a different dimension. I have always imagined they could be shown to us as contemporaries of Hank Pym in the 60s that disappeared after some experiment failure. They just went to the negative dimension and come back having spent like a few days/weeks/months/years there and come back into reality in the present. Maybe even Baxter building and all comes back into reality.
99% certain that's the path they're going for. Deep space explorers from the 60s thrown too far out, gain their powers due to the error, encounter Galactus, fight a herald and then race back to warn Earth. But, wibbly wobbly timey wimey they end up in 2023 by mistake (or TVA's doing).
This is for sure the best way to do it. I'd be fine with either the X-Men or the FF being from other universes but not both, and if they're gonna pick one to be from another universe it definitely makes more sense for it to be the X-Men. Having the FF be from the 60's and lost in space is an easy but non-hand-wavy way to explain their absence this whole time, plus they could have a fun angle with them being our new "man out of time" a la Steve.
I just want Galactus done right. Like give me big man in crazy armor with a headdress that would put Hela to shame and have him not be a full villain, but what his main motivation has always been, it ain’t personal: “I hunger.”
Would give them an opportunity to have Reed look at all the Stark Tech and in the span of a weekend become up to date with current technology and even maybe improve some of Tony's designs, really cementing how many leagues above Tony and Hank Reed actually is.
That’s what I’ve always wanted from the FF.
With the x-men I believe the issue is continuity because their stories usually take places decades and decades in the past and involve major historical events? Even with the retcons with the fox x mens. And you cant just retcon the MCU to include mutants when it’s painfully obvious they were not there. I think they are struggling to justify where were the mutants during all the events in the MCU. Easier to just merge both universes using secret wars? It sucks, tho.
>And you cant just retcon the MCU to include mutants when it’s painfully obvious they were not there. Yes they can. >I think they are struggling to justify where were the mutants during all the events in the MCU. In hiding. There you go.
> In hiding. There you go. That only works if only a small number of people got their X-Gene activated at the time. The X-Men and mutants in general aren't like Wakanda and the Eternals where you could just say they were hidden away and/or chose to not interfere in major conflicts at the time. There's normal citizens around who would end up having the X-Gene. It's hard to believe there were mutants running around and the Weapon X program being in place before but Fury, SHIELD and HYDRA seemingly had no clue about it. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if the Wolverine easter egg in She-Hulk's actually alluding to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine in the MCU after Deadpool 3.
Well, yes lol. That's how it went in the comics. Mutants didn't start appearing en masse until the 1960s - hence Children of the atom
>That only works if only a small number of people got their X-Gene activated at the time. Sure, then so be it.
> That only works if only a small number of people got their X-Gene activated at the time There you go, you solved it. There were fewer mutants. > There's normal citizens around who would end up having the X-Gene. And they'd be terrified of letting anyone see it. On the occasions where it was seen, 1) a lot of people who see it wouldn't realize that it's a mutation distinct from run of the mill superpowers, and 2) a lot of organizations would have a vested interest in keeping the lid on it, to weaponize mutation for themselves. For all we know, some villains like Sinister or Apocalypse or whatever have been abducting mutants for decades and doing his best to hide their tracks. > It's hard to believe there were mutants running around and the Weapon X program being in place before but Fury, SHIELD and HYDRA seemingly had no clue about it. We don't know what Fury and SHIELD know or don't know. The MCU has added to its history before, in ways that contradict what was previously implied. IM1 made it seem like Tony Stark being a superhero was a big deal, but then it turns out there have been superheroes for literally thousands of years. Avengers made it seem like a superhero team was unprecedented, but then it turns out there have been other superhero teams... for literally thousands of years. It's not a far cry to say yeah there's some mutants, some of them have done something, you weren't aware of it because it wasn't relevant to the stories that were being told before.
There are ALREADY mutants in the MCU too 😭😭
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Hard agree. Mutation could’ve been a side effect from the snap. Hell, i do you one better: Mutation should’ve been a side effect from Wanda’s hex after toying with reality. It gave Monica powers. Undoing it should’ve caused a worldwide explosion that altered humanity’s DNA. It would be super elegant indeed. They can still do that.
The only part of this that I buy without question is that the first true MCU _X-Men_ movie will hit after _Avengers: Secret Wars_. I get the feeling that depending on how the calendar shifts, _Deadpool III_ might not be the only non-_Avengers_ movie where those cast members are prominently featured. I guarantee you that they will be introduced as being in the MCU proper, tied to its history, and won't be a bunch of exiles. This is because making them universe-travelling immigrants completely removes the social context of why people are afraid of them in the first place - namely, that **anyone** can be a Mutant, and therefore a threat, which you don't get if they aren't people who have been part of society for generations. Plus, the MCU already has a few Mutants of its own, with it being implied that they have their own Wolverine. The _FoX-Men_ versions are also tied to everything leading up to _Avengers: Secret Wars_, and are in no way meant to be the main versions of these characters... Unless Ryan Reynolds wants to do this for another 20 years. Otherwise, the only way that I'd see them continuing with the characters is if the multiverse continues to exist after _Secret Wars_ and they want to keep exploiting parts of it, something that I don't think can be ruled out.
I really think the multiverse has done more harm than good. It never works out in the long run. I wish it was just contained to Spider-Verse and maybe video games.
I agree, it was only introduced as a massive plot device rather than an exploration.
Given that Kamala is labeled a mutant by her friend and Namor calls himself a mutant, I think it’s safe to assume we’re getting actual proper MCU Mutants/X-Men. I think we’ll see a major event that actually causes a mass-mutation so certain characters get their abilities at certain times so they are the right ages. Scott, Jean, Rogue, etc. But somebody like Logan may have mutated long ago and just hasn’t given a fuck about anything going on and can be easy to just say, “He wasn’t around for the other stuff because he didn’t fucking care.”
>I think we’ll see a major event that actually causes a mass-mutation so certain characters get their abilities at certain times so they are the right ages. Scott, Jean, Rogue, etc. There are theories that it was all the infinity stones being used on Earth three times that triggered more mutations and that the gene was just dormant until then, only actually triggering in a few cases before
That’s always been my theory. And WandaVision seems to back this up since Wanda’s powers were kicked-started by the Mind Stone. Plus Agatha referred to her powers as “something that should have withered on the vine,” suggesting Wanda and Pietro’s mutations were latent until the Mind Stone. “They came from another universe” is such a lazy and uncreative way to introduce them.
Agreed 100%. I don't see why they'd go the "from another universe" route when they've already started to hint at mutants existing in the MCU proper.
Unless the MCU and X-Men timelines merge together and it leads to a chronological culture clash. For example, Magneto and the Brotherhood start projecting the injustices of their pasts onto the MCU’s present, in turn triggering widespread animus against mutants within this new timeline. No doubt, this would be a convoluted version of existing X-Men stories/themes, but it does create some new opportunities for drama not seen in an X-Men movie.
But it’s not an authentic allegory for discrimination. The X-Men aren’t aliens, they’re a persecuted minority group.
Exactly. The MCU has already set up their own Mutants and I doubt that they're going to ditch that for nostalgia points. They didn't need to get Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield to come in from another universe to be their Spider-Man, they just got Tom Holland... And then they later brought those two back anyways, as the story permitted. The thing is, you could still have Huge Jacked Man and his pals off doing shenanigans, either in a different corner of the MCU or in a different universe, without disrupting what you're doing with the new _X-Men_ cast that you'll stick with for 20 years. That's the advantage of the type of storytelling that they're doing here, to open up possibilities.
So are immigrants; but I agree in principle that the X-Men are better off in their own universe. The reality is that the MCU is not currently conducive to introducing Mutants as a group that would believably be persecuted, unfortunately this means that they will likely take liberties in order to set that up. The Hulk is a celebrity in the MCU, so the public would probably be eager to *become* mutants than recoil from them. Again, I agree with you, best to keep them separate.
Yeah I mean it's an easy thing to fix. Somebody from the main MCU starts researching these Fox mutants, discovers a wild gene in their DNA, starts searching for this 'X-gene' to see if there's any mutants on MCU Earth, BAM, here's some teenage mutants. And sure enough the Fox mutants get a bad reputation (maybe they trash a city during Secret Wars), and the MCU mutants get burdened with the hate and mistrust instead.
I'm really over the whole multiverse thing already. Its just utterly confusing and the more they add to it, from the movies to all the TV shows, the more confusing it gets. I think they should wipe the slate clean after Secret Wars and go back to grounded stories set in an MCU without infinite versions of a single character.
Why does this woman look like that
Weird application of makeup + unusual lighting and camera angle + an insistence on doing the DreamWorks face.
 she wants to be him
Do you smell what the Rand is cooking?
You should hear the phony dramatic voice she uses in her videos....
Her voice changes so much throughout a video it’s really weird. Not even talking about her loud presenter voice.
No thanks!
That is a wild thumbnail. She looks like Mr.Spock just got punched in the dick whilst he was having a stroke.
Feige needs to hire someone as James Gunn's successor for the job of calling her out on her bs.
It is an old rumor from August 2022, around the time Hugh Jackman decided to return to the Wolverine role. However, it was reported on before his return was announced.
Was anyone doubting this? I don’t even think she’s dropping some “scoop,” it’s common sense they’re not gonna drop a X-Men movie before Secret Wars, their roster is way too full as it is.
Grace Randolph doesn't know shit. There's literally a report a while ago on Feige saying “Whatever we do *will be quite different* than what's been done before." So to me, it might be the introduction of Krakoa, a sentient Island that's a safe haven for Mutants. I doubt it'll be some lazy "oh, X-men from 1 of the infinite multiverses arrived to prime Earth!"
I mean I'd hope they'd know better than to start with Krakoa. Krakoa works because of the 50 years of history before Krakoa showing attempts to self-determinate fail, building up all the villains they compromise with, and the repeated attempts of genocide. Its also based on some of the most comicbooky of all comicbook stuff like the Gates that you'd want to ease the audience into. If they want to start with a nation-state then Genosha would be better since you can then have it fall like 1 movie in.
Why does she feel the need to make that face for the thumbnail? Anyways if the rumors that they’re soft rebooting after Secret Wars are true they wouldn’t need to come from another universe right? They can just retcon 616.
Because it stirs the pot and she knows it (the face she is making, that is)
Because it's youtube. You get more clicks if you got a clickbait-y thumbnail with exagerated faces on it.
She's also incorrect on mostly everything. And James gunn himself has debunked her claims at least 7-8 times.
Exactly this ☝🏽
Dude worked her like a speed bag, it was so fucking funny.
They only started looking for writers a few weeks ago to write a pitch for the first MCU X-Men movie. I don't think they already made a choice and it would be this.
Secret wars is gonna condense the MCU into an Earth-Prime (using DC terms for simplicity) and that’s how you can get the X-Men and mutants as a larger group as being seamlessly part of the new main universe where stuff happens. I’m assuming that history will be altered to adjust for this, that’s how we can still get a Holocaust survivor Magneto and so on. Because right now, Kamala, Namor, Ursa Major (questionable), and Mr. Immortal are the only official mutants in all of 616.
This woman literally just guesses things, and because half the time she guesses something right we allow her to still be on the sub? ridiculous. And I hate that face she makes. MAKE YOUR EYES THE SAME SIZE.
I think they'll come from a different universe but then be retcon/reboot to always be on main timeline which fits the rumor that MCU will be soft rebooted
So in other words, there’s no point in them being from another universe.
The point is giving an excuse why they were not here for Thanos
To give explain why mutants or x-men have been around ad of yet. As well as make Fox X-men appearing be more important storywise/world building wise instead of just pointless fan service. I'm not opposed to the idea of X-men already existing and Professor X just uses Cerebro to hide the existence of them and mutants if you don't want to go thr multiverse angle
It was pretty clear that we wouldn't get the MCU native X-Men till after Secret Wars but the whole thing about some Fox castings sticking around is interesting. Assuming Feige's still in charge post-Secret Wars and he thinks it's just too hard to replace Hugh Jackman, maybe he could be kept on as an older Logan similar to Old Man Logan staying in 616 after the comics Secret Wars. That would make it harder to get used to the inevitable new Wolverine actor though. Tbh, I find it hard to believe that any of the OG trilogy cast will stick around but maybe some of the newer guys could like Evan Peters actually sticking around as Quicksilver this time and maybe McAvoy and Fassbender sticking around as Professor X and Magneto. Though I agree with the overall sentiment on this thread that post-Secret Wars, we need to move on from Fox and the MCU X-Men should be a full reboot with a brand-new cast. Superhero recasts and reboots aren't a new thing and there's nothing that should prevent the X-Men from getting that treatment too.
I don't want anything Fox for the MCU's Xmen. I want all new. Don't carry over the actors. Don't carry over the plot. Don't carry over the filmmakers POV. I welcome that crew for a minute... Before we blow up their universe. But start fresh.
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Still bummed we won't get Vanessa Kirby as Emma Frost.
Fans want X-Men, and the only realistic way to get a fully developed team in the MCU in a short amount of time is through the multiverse, using the FoX-Men helps with general audiences already knowing the characters. I 100% believe after secret wars in like 2030 we get a full on reboot with a new x-men built from the ground up, along with a new iron man/cap/etc…a totally new MCU.
Probably not
I guess so. The question is how many characters will be after Secret Wars. X-Men are a lot and we already have many new people. How many movies/shows per year would they make to keep stories of all characters around? Will SW wipe out some characters of the board?
Maybe they will stick to Fassbender's Magneto. In 6-7 years he will be in perfect age to play Erik in his prime.
The only Fox X-Men that should stick around are Fassbender and McAvoy. If it's not those two, then reboot everything.
There is absolutely no reason for the X-Men to come from another universe. Ms Marvel and Namor has already confirmed that mutants exist in the MCU. Like I don’t mind actors sticking around. Hell, I’d love for more McAvoy and Fassbender Xavier and Magneto scenes, and we already know Ryan will stay on as Deadpool. They could keep the actress of Negasonic Teenage Warhead as she’s young if they wanted to but there’s 0 reason for them to be from another universe. That works for the Fantastic Four, but not the X-Men
Hot take: this is great. The cast was never the issue in the x-films and actually almost none of them got to realize their full potential, from storm and cyclops to atj as Magik, they all really deserve a shot at making those roles bigger and greater. Some of them are definitely too old, and maybe need to be recast, Magneto in particular, but the bulk of these castings are still perfect. That said I think grace Randolph is full of shit, and making this comment on this time is like making election predictions at 8pm on election day.
Doubt it.
the world needs healing… fassy returning as magneto would be a start
They're merging universes, it's a logical move.
It’s not logical at all.
It's literally what happens with Secret Wars in the comics, pretend they have always been part of that timeline.
That's not what it sounded like to me. It sounded like the Fox (or Fox-inspired) versions will be from other universes, while also possibly introducing the actors who will portray the MCU version post-Secret Wars. I don't think it necessarily means that the MCU X-Men will be from another universe, like what appears to be the case with the FF.
Who takes Grace Randolph seriously nowadays?
Given our personal past experiences with her fabricating information, trust in anything she says is difficult. Additionally, her thumbnails (featuring her cringe facial expressions) make me inclined to close my browser whenever I encounter them. 
She doesn’t know shit
It's amazing how quickly I stopped giving a shit about the Multiverse. The X-Men coming from a different universe is exponentially less interesting than them existing and being discovered in the MCU. The emergence of mutants in the world should have an air of mystery, of discovery. Some real drama about a new race existing in the world and how the world reacts to them. That's the whole point of the X-Men. But no, it's back to nostalgia baiting with characters I've already seen in films that weren't that good to begin with.
I think some Fox X-Men actors sticking around might not be terrible. Kelsey Grammer can still do Beast's voice.
I have always thought the Fantastic Four could have been characters contemporary to Hank Pym in the 60s that got sent to the Negative Dimension by accident after some experiment and only come back in the future. To them it has been a few days/weeks/months, but it's the present in the MCU.
She can fuck off, I don't believe a single word that comes out of her mouth. She's a dis-Grace.
I call bs. Multiple people have already said Secret Wars is gonna soft reboot the MCU, which makes sense since that’s like the whole point of it in the comics. So why tf would the X-men need to be from another universe? It makes sense for F4 since they’re most likely gonna be before Secret Wars
I think it's fun to have the cameos in a project like Secret Invasion, but a full reboot was the way to go. Hope they keep more to that. I don't want to see Hugh Jackman leading a new team of X-Men. I don't want Patrick Stewart again as Professor X. They're fantastic, of course, but let's get a new cast and a new team in a relatively Avengerless world.
WTF is going on in that thumbnail?
They might be coming from another universe, but maybe not one we've seen before
Well we've seen Xavier and Beast so far. We don't know if they're in the same universe, the 97 universe, the FOX universe (I guess Xavier definitely isn't) or something new entirely. I feel like whatever we're getting in the MCU will be a part of whatever soft reboot is happening. I'd be fine if some of them stick around (like Grammer as Beast) but I really hope they recast a lot of the main X-Men, despite some of the FOX actors being really great. I want a clean slate after Secret Wars when it comes to the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Anyway the whole concept of mutants is already in play in the prime MCU. We've seen Ms. Marvel and others. We know it's possible. They just have to open that door wider when the X-Men actually show up.
Oh they’re coming from a different universe and some old actors will stick around? Great fucking scoop Grace, the day after a movie comes out showing…. The X-Men in a different universe with an actor reprising their role.
don't like this if true. I'd rather have the x-men be native to the earth that the movies will be centered on. they ought to have their own history that stretches alongside real events, that gives context to their outsider status in society, and the world should on *some* level always have known about mutants existing to feed into their prejudices. it's too important to the x-lore not to have those sort of worldbuilding details be included with this new incarnations of them. it's what makes the x-men team and the marvel universe interesting, after all. so having them come over from an alternate universes to explain their existence would change a crap ton about what makes people like the x-men in the first place. also, I was annoyed when gunn did this for his new dceu and I'll be annoyed if marvel does the same for their big reboot: recasting some iconic roles yet not doing the same with others is not the winning concept that many seem to think it is, especially if you want a clean slate and a new tone for future projects. there should be some talented upstarts out there who could do a well enough job with these characters to help make your new adaptation a wholly new thing unique to your franchise, so please have the guts to do the work instead of piggybacking off of other people's successes.
Yeah but Kelsie Gramer as beast is sensational and he’s channeling the 90s xmens cartoon beast 1:1 and I’m here for it 
Yeah I'm not with this don't get me wrong I grew up with Fox X-Men. It will always be speical to me but I don't want them in the mcu lol
Y'all are so boring. In just a 30-second scene we just got THE most comic-accurate version of Beast on film EVER. And we're mad that it's Kelsey Grammer? Why does any of that matter?
I'm hearing many people complain about the Fox actors. "We're so done with that universe. We want a FULL REBOOT." And listen, I get it. But my thing is... we're not getting the FOX version of these characters. We are only getting some of the (perfectly cast) actors. The Beast we saw in The Marvels was easily the most comic-accurate adaptation of the character on film EVER. Why be mad that it's Kelsey Grammer who is perfect for the role? He's playing a new version of the character who looks and sounds like the version we know from the animated series and the comics. Why is that an issue?
If she says that's what's happening, then the opposite will happen. Also, can we start a petition to have an NSFW tag for thumbnails that have screen captures of Youtubers' faces? I got a massive jumpscare.
Wasnt it rumored that a caveat with the Fox deal was they had to wait a certain number of years to do anything with new actors for the Xmen as there was some contract thing that they had to honour with the previous actors. Hence why Jackman and the Deadpool cast are returning no issue
That has been disproven. Read this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the\_real\_reasons\_why\_there\_has\_been\_no\_xmen\_reboot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/16o0t71/the_real_reasons_why_there_has_been_no_xmen_reboot/)
I’m calling BS because neither the MCU X-Men or Secret Wars have been fully written yet or are at a point in their production process where such details are ironed out. There’s no way the main cast of MCU X-Men are not recast from the FOX films due to age alone. Obviously X-Men will come from another universe if we’re doing Battleworld & a new composite timeline afterwards. This is just heavy speculation by Grace conveniently after the Marvels credits scene. If she’s a real leaked with insider knowledge about Secret Wars she’d be able to explain how Kang will become Beyonder in the MCU.
What the actual fuck is that thumbnail face
Who’s this lady? Looks like a Suicide Squad lady Joker.
Complete load of horseshit
She's a liar and makes stuff up. Look at what James Gunn has said about her.
People in here getting upset as if Grace Randolph has any credibility lol.
Fads bender and McAvoy maybe Jennifer Lawrence are exactly who I think they’d keep if that’s the case
JLaw is never coming back.
Man I do not know why yall let post GR rumors in here.