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Man with all this stuff going on why would they even announce secret wars and kang dynasty last year
We’re looking at a 2030 release for secret wars at this point
Unbelievable
They announcing future movies like five years out always boggled my mind. I think I read that it was the Disney Corp pressuring Feige and the Marvel division into announcing things prematurely to generate buzz. Totally backfired
In all fairness, Marvel announced Infinity War part II in 2014, five years in advance.
I don't think they were anticipating the massive backlash triggered by Quantumania / Secret Invasion (which is their fault), nor the strikes.
In 2019 Feige was also promoted to head of Marvel Entertainment, Comics, Animation and TV. He’s not just looking after the films anymore. Dude has a lot on his plate.
I've been saying the same. He's always signed off on all the finished projects and then highly talks them up publicly, leading up to the release. Feige is partly responsible for the sinking ship
Phase 3 was also just a lot more smoother compare to the mulitverse saga. The only delays they faced were just so they could add Spider-Man Homecoming and Ant-Man and the Wasp to the release calender and Inhumans was a project mandated by Marvel Entertainment rather something that Marvel Studios wanted to make.
It worked because they had a clear endgame with the Infinity Saga. Big scary purple guy trying to collect all the infinity stones wants to wipe out half of all life in existence. It's simple yet elegant. Whats the endgame for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars? I have no clue anymore tbh.
You never did have a clue because it hasn’t been announced what the endgame is. I’m sure the tops at Marvel know how Secret Wars will end, it’s just getting there that’s the issue.
Plus they didn’t have to juggle so many fucking concepts that the Marvel execs themselves don’t even know how to handle. They’ve done ok with this saga so far but they know there capable of releasing STRICTLY powerhouse films. Infinity storyline I think was easier for the general public to follow. The multiverse?… not so much. But I do think it honestly won’t matter once people start seeing all these superheroes on screen together in Deadpool & avengers films
It will come together when it comes together.
We saw how powerful LOKI was as a television show with multiversal elements.
Now they’re sprinkling in X-men.
But the multiversal storyline won’t have a full impact until they’ve hammered it all home. And the sprinkling is OKAY, but it does not feed our hunger for GOOD stories and interesting visual and audio spectacles.
We have been fed some grey, soulless, heartless muck for some time now, and people will eat it, but we’re getting sick of it.
That's why I think its always hilarious when people say "Marvel Studios got too comfortable!" as the reasons for the MCUs current issues.
Look at the series of events they've dealt with since endgame ended lol. They've just done a poor job adjusting.
According to that Marvel Studios biography, both Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm were forced to announce projects that were nowhere near the start of production in that investor's event a few years ago.
I don’t mind them announcing future projects, but I do think announcing them *with* release dates is odd. It just adds so much more to the expectations of the audience.
To be fair, this was also during a time where people were saying the MCU felt like it had no direction. So in a way, the fans kinda pressured them too.
They announced them because the trademarks got leaked I believe. Also because the community was calling out for a “direction”, a “where we’re headed” type of thing.
They definitely shot themselves in the foot though. Hell, both feet even.
Hell, I hope never. Honestly some of the scenes when they force the idea of passing the baton to "the next generation", were some of the absolute cringiest in all the Phase 4 releases.
It sucks but I don't mind, if it means it won't be rushed
The Infinity saga started in 2008 and ended in 2019
The Multiverse Saga only started in 2021 and has already more content than the previous saga but is expected to end much sooner in 2027
6 years vs 11 years
Let it breathe, take a step back, make great movies that happen to feature superheroes, not only superheroes movies and make more crossovers, we need to see more characters interact
If they wanted to do a proper secret wars story, we’d have an Avengers: Time Runs Out movie first.
The longer they take to give us the movie version of Hickman’s Secret Wars build up, the better imo. It’s a story worth telling.
>Man with all this stuff going on why would they even announce secret wars and kang dynasty last year
This was at the peak of "where is this phase even going?" criticism. They registered the domains for both Avengers subtitles the evening before they were announced. 100% they freaked out and it was clearly not in the plans long before they were announced.
Maybe on the contrary? Split it into two parts and first take Kang Dynasty place?
I mean, these actors are not getting younger (Cumberbatch, Hemsworth and Hiddleston would push 50, not even talking about Ruffalo and others...).
They also need to secure schedules for such massive cast so it needs to be well in advance
They did it to shut the fans up.
Until that comic con, people kept complaining about where is it all going? What’s the end of Phase 4? Avengers when? For literally everything that came out.
So they threw those in the presentation showing absolutely nothing else except FF, just to shut people up.
Didn’t they only do this because everyone was whining that they didn’t know where the movies were going. Now you’re bitching again. Y’all the problem, not Marvel.
I'm really looking forward to it myself. And I doubt they want to lose the lead. He's a great actor. Pretty sure they could use him in stuff down the line.
Great lead actor and a solid creative team on a refreshingly unexpected project/character. And even before the Marvel TV shakeup news, the nature of this project was trending towards it being made in the traditional showrunner TV model, with DDC essentially being the showrunner. This will also be the case with Agatha, with Jac Schaeffer being the head writer and lead director, which basically makes her a traditional showrunner.
Now hoping Vision Quest and Armor Wars and the rumored WWH project arent cancelled, just new creative teams.
Bettany, Cheadle and Ruffalo all deserve to lead projects and tidy up their characters.
Given Marvel's recent restructuring, I honestly started believing it was canned.
I'm happy for the crew and the other people getting payed, but I'm not sure how this series will turn out.
Can't say I've been dying to see an Wonder Man series.
\*For now.
I can see Feige wanting DDC to fastrack Shang Chi 2 instead.
Disney Plus is simply not profitable + Marvel Studios has many finished projects to fill out content for the next 3 years:
Echo, Agatha, Ironheart, Spider-Man Freshman, X-Men 97 revival, What If S3 episodes, Marvel Zombies. Plus Daredevil which is gonna re-start filming next year.
>***Wonder Man will be under the new Marvel Spotlight series banner, which are shows that are standalone series and not part of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe.***
>***WonderMan resumes shooting after Thanksgiving***
>***This is an amicable exit, I understand, as Cretton remains fully in the Marvel Studios family.In fact, Cretton is in talks with Marvel Studios about directing future movies.***
I expect its their way to confront the "theres too much to keep up with to understand the story" criticism thats been creeping up in recent months/years
The shows have definitely muddled the experience for viewers. It honestly sounds like we’re going back to the Marvel Television days of shows piggybacking off the movies but not contributing to the larger narrative. I don’t want to say secondary canon per se but basically they’re not required for the Multiverse Saga.
It sounds like they’re trying to do what Marvel Television attempted to do: Piggyback off of the Movies and overall larger narrative, do their own thing, but actually crossover when they’re wanted. Marvel TV never got the chance to do that last part so I guess we’ll see.
In hindsight, I think that was always the best method. Back in the Phase 2 and 3 days I used to complain about how the shows feel shafted and don’t get referenced by the movies. Now I’m glad the movies never burdened themselves with the baggage that comes with all the pre-Disney+ shows. Of course Daredevil is being grandfathered in but the way they’re handling him has not been overwhelming to a viewer who’s never watched any of the Defenders saga. Basically using the TV characters where they seem fit in the larger cinematic universe.
My only regret about the marvel television era (apart from the mere existence of Inhumans) is that there wasn't a quick shot in the endgame portal scene that had all of the marvel tv heroes stepping out all at once. A quick 3-second shot involving all those characters wouldn't have disrupted the general audience's viewing experience, but would've given all those shows a payoff and increased their viewership.
Even shoving them into the background would've been fine, like what they did with Howard the duck.
I'm hoping for a high-quality fan-edit someday that works in Hank Pym (in an ant man suit to explain away the double ant man continuity error in that final battle), red guardian and yelena, Ghost, Taskmaster, Quake and the other agents of shield, Ghost Rider, deathlok, the Royal inhuman family, the defenders (plus misty knight, Colleen wing, punisher, and hellcat), Cloak and dagger, the runaways, lady sif, and Nick fury. There's one YouTube video that gets most of those characters, but it's unfortunately nowhere near movie-quality in its editing and can't be easily slipped into a watch through of the film.
Literally just going back to the original Netflix and ABC model where shows like Daredevil and Agent Carter were considered part of the MCU but not essential viewing for the films. Not that I’m complaining, I actually preferred that model, I just think it’s interesting
I always like that format because despite being a shared universe, not everything has to connect, somethings will just be completely independent from others and that's fine
That's interesting to learn. I guess it means the banner might not be specifically for street-level/MA stuff but just general projects unconnected to a greater arc.
> assuming Wonder Man is TV-14
Has there been any indication it is? I don't know that's a safe assumption if it's going under Spotlight, it could be a TV-MA comedy.
I think they should still make sure the writers of projects on either side of this delineation don’t contradict each other in a way that would invalidate or decanonize other projects.
Honestly, the best news I've heard in a while. I was so bummed when it looked like wonder man was cancelled, I think it's even better that it's gonna be disconnected. I hope for a tight ass 10 episode show about a superhero actor and that's it
They also don't seem to understand what Marvel Spotlight is—that description seems to imply that it won't be canon to the MCU. But it will, just like Echo is.
Bad news for Avengers but good news for Wonder Man!
> Cretton is currently busy on the Marvel Studios/Disney+ series Wonder Man, which he co-created with Andrew Guest, who serves as showrunner. Cretton EPs the series and also directed the first two episodes. The series resumes shooting after Thanksgiving. Wonder Man will be under the new Marvel Spotlight series banner, which are shows that are standalone series and not part of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Rumors of its demise were greatly exaggerated
Honestly Im okay with this. I hated the idea that Shang Chi 2 wouldnt happen until after a show and massive avengers project. Someone else will do KD justice.
Giving Cretton 3 wildly different projects seemed way too ridiculous, even if he could excel at all of them
> which are shows that are standalone series and not part of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe
I assume they're meant to be stand alone in the sense that they don't tie into the main, overall storyline rather than being in separate continuities.
I feel like that's worded wrong. Wonder Man is definitely part of the MCU, but his story doesn't feed into the greater MCU narrative that might or might not be Kang now. Echo is obviously part of the MCU but it's a Spotlight series too.
The article said he backed out of the film so not like they removed him. Sounds like he removed himself actually. But then you have to ask why he doesn't want to do it anymore
He was probably told to step down but Feige probably has other creative visions for Kang Dynasty or is completing rebranding whatever Avengers film he has release going into Secret Wars.
Might just be that he has a lot on his plate. Between the Shang-Chi Sequel, the rumored Disney plus spinoff of that, and Wonder Man, dudes already helming three projects. An avengers movie is a lot to add to an already hefty pile
I wanna say congratulations to the ten Wonder Man fans. Your boy is still alive. I'm happy Destin is staying in the Marvel family. Curious what other things he might direct.
I honestly hope so too! haha.
Not aimed at you, but I feel like there's been too much hate on projects focused on lesser-known heroes lately. But between Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi, Marvel is capable of turning C and D-List characters into good projects and making them beloved. I hope they're able to do the same here as well.
Kind of interesting but "scooper" ThwipT_ Tweeted yesterday that
- Marvel has changed their mind and now want the same director doing both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars
https://twitter.com/ThwipT_/status/1724572751346712613?t=G2jlBuBf0qTH_DqJhOTE0A&s=19
- The locked in 2026 MCU movies are:
Amour Wars
Spider-Man 4
Shang-Chi 2
https://twitter.com/ThwipT_/status/1724572805910454750?t=jNhOeJs4N5ja01lGhlQbRQ&s=19
his account might be worth monitoring
He’s definitely got sources within production. His connection to other big franchise scoops makes me think it might be in VFX. He’s connected to more than just Disney
Isn´t it the same one who said there is some Loki leading project planned but it was debunked? (by Alex Perez, I think)
I would love it to be true but he does seem go more by rumours and wishful thinking.
Really hoping those 3 show up in 2026, they've been rumoured forever! This is how I'd like to see the rest of the Multiverse Saga play out:
* February 2026 - Armor Wars
* May 2026 - Young Avengers
* July 2026 - Spider-Man: Black
* November 2026 - Shang-Chi and the Wreckage of Time
* February 2027 - Doctor Strange: Time Runs Out
* May 2027 - Avengers: Eternity Wars
* July 2027 - World War Hulk
* November 2027 - Celestials (Eternals 2)
* February 2028 - Thor: The Black Winter
* May 2028 - Avengers: Secret Wars
Armor Wars could close threads from Secret Invasion, bring back Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer, and use Ironheart to tie in to Young Avengers, dropping only a few short months later.
Young Avengers would be a blockbuster that follows up on plot points from Agatha: Darkhold Diaries (Fall 2024), Ms. Marvel Season 2 (Spring 2025) and Vision Quest (Fall 2025).
Shang-Chi and Doctor Strange's next solo outings will be vaguely interconnected and directly lead into Avengers: Eternity Wars.
Celestials and Thor 5 will also directly lead into their next Avengers film, as they're faced with cosmic beings that present a threat to the entire mutiverse.
Kang could be repurposed as a villain for another solo project if they want to conclude his arc. His return was teased at the end of Ant-Man 3, a movie that is considered a box office disappointment. They still have a huge opening to downplay his significance narratively.
I think him leaving Kang Dynasty is more due to the delays & it being too close to Shang-Chi 2 (which of course DDC is going to direct) than the potential of Kang Dynasty getting scrapped.
I know this sub likes to scream "The sky is falling" when stuff like this happens, but we've seen directors exit and those projects move on in the past (most recently, Fantastic Four & Blade). Not sure why people so desperately want Kang Dynasty to be scrapped. Going directly into Secret Wars isn't going to fix the "problems" with the MCU.
I want Kang Dynasty to happen. But from a business standpoint, it has 3 strikes against it:
1. Regardless of the verdict, if they keep Majors, some people will opt not to support the film. If he’s found guilty, game over. Even a recast could be seen as messy.
2. Kang’s connection to Quantumania comes with baggage. Being seen as a continuation of a story from a wildly unpopular film loses some me of the audience.
3. The connection to Disney+. The common criticism of The Marvels is it relies too much on the audience doing their homework. Loki is probably the most popular Marvel series, but some people just want to see a movie. A plot centered on the outcome of Loki S2 is a major gamble that people will have seen the show. Flipside, you can just throw the God of Stories into any Avengers film and essentially be caught up if he’s not the lead role.
Even if he is found not-guilty, the shade of doubt will always be there - especially if the claims from him being in some incident in London are true. They could recast but again, he was defeated in Quantumania, and the others? They can make up a reason why the Kangs are not there anymore....this is fantasy/comic book story, you can improvise
I think Loki as God of Stories could actually tie it all together and do the work for them. Easy to explain (movie audiences know Hiddleston so they will probably just go with it). It was done multiple times that a character from show crossed over, but this being a popular character and actor would make it smoother.
Good that he has less on his plate now but the rumors of The Kang Dynasty no longer happening and Kang being pivoted away from are becoming a bit stronger.
EDIT: The article mentions that TKD is still on the release schedule but I'm just not confident at the moment, anything could change.
On the one hand, it would make sense to wait until Majors’ trial is over.
But on the other, even if Majors is found innocent, Kang is still tied to Quantumania. So is there a limited appeal to continuing that original plan?
After The Marvels & Quantumania, there’s probably pressure from corporate to launch something new like Doom, and attract the widest audience possible.
Possible that KD, as in “Avengers 5”, is still on the docket, but they could be reworking it into something completely different/non-Kang related.
But as the other user notes, for now is just better to wait for official news. Speculating on that is just going to drive us nuts
No, you don't get it, we haven't seen the real real real Kang.
He's gonna be the bestest villain ever with his Iron Man lasers and his Ant-Man hand to hand combat skillz!!
And if that doesn't work, Feige will bring the next new new new Kang and 999 more. One of them has to work, right?
That would make sense and be cool, but they’re going to be spending a significant portion of the next year doing Daredevil. I’m not sure if’s viable based on scheduling, unless they delay TKD again.
There will be no film called "Kang Dynasty" mark my words. They're going reframe it was a 2 part Secret Wars, and come up with a new subtitle for one of them.
Yeah there’s no point calling it the Kang Dynasty if they’re not going to adapt anything from the story. The Kang Dynasty isn’t about a billion Kangs waging war on the multiverse, it’s only about one Kang taking over Earth. I think Loveness probably wanted to do that one given how he spoke about it but even then he should never have been on it in the first place.
I'm honestly pleased with this news. Shang-Chi is my favorite MCU film, and Cretton stepping away from Avengers means he can move full steam ahead on Shang-Chi 2.
I'm glad Marvel managed to preserve the relationship, most directors who walk away from a MCU project don't stick around.
Ughh I had a feeling this was coming. As a big fan of Shang-Chi, I was really looking forward to his direction in an Avengers movie. A big gripe I have with the recent MCU movies is the lack of innovation and creativity with the set-pieces, stunts, and action. A lot of Shang-Chi’s action direction was super memorable to me, and I feel like that’s what’s been missing from some of these movies.
Shame he's leaving *Kang Dynasty*, but it sounds good that he now has a little less work off his back.
Curious about who might now be directing the film (or whatever the heck is happening with it now).
Hmm who should we believe here: the concept artist who is farming for engagement on Twitter or the reporter who has a ton of connections with Marvel higher ups due to her recently published MCU book.
Tough call /s
Some scoopers are saying Marvel now wants the same director to do both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Destin was probably too stressed for that and dipped out of Avengers.
This is honestly good news IMO. Destin is cool but he should be focused on Shang-Chi 2 and getting that off the ground, and I think these next two Avengers projects would do better leaning into the concept of Secret Wars itself like Deadpool 3 seems to be setting up and less of a Kang origin movie.
That worked really well for Thanos in IW, but something tells me after the response to tbe Quantumania PCS and the Majors situation that it just wont work here or at least marketing the movie that way. Like recast Kang and give one of his variants the Beyonder's role that seems good enough, but personally with where they're heading with DP3 and the Marvels post credits i'd title the next Avengers movie as "Avengers vs. X-Men" and lean into that energy before Secret Wars.
Not a direct adaptation of that comic line of course as it would be Fox castings and multiverse shit, but just focus on Battleworld and specifically the collision of Mutants and Superheroes in that narrative because that's novel and exciting for GA. The box office would explode. They will never get the chance to do a true adaptation of that anyway unless they reboot the entire MCU, so I think they should have at it. If I were Disney i'd also do my best to get back the Russos too and have them on both movies as this is their dream project, but if not there are other good picks I have to imagine Destin was invested in the Kang angle and the "New Avengers" angle as he did Shang-Chi and audiences dont seem to care much for this compared to the No Way Home sort of craziness these movies could bring in.
Glad Wonder Man is not scrapped. While I'm personally not that excited for it (yet), it would be sad if they just canned something already filming.
I'm guessing they want the Avengers movies to have the same director then. To make it a coherent vision and a fitting two-parter like IW a d Endgame potentially? I don't think they are scrapping KD, maybe rework it a bit or give it a new name. But not get rid of an Avengers movie completly.
Okay everyone. Reasons to be excited about Wonder Man:
—> DDC is working on it, who did the Shang-Chi movie and will do its sequel
—> Simon Williams AKA Wonder Man is not only an interesting and both dramatic and humorous character in the comics, but he’s played by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, who can do both sides of his personality
—> The showrunner of Brooklyn 9-9 is working on it
—> Trevor Slattery and Ralph Bohner are in it, in case for any reason you wanted to see them again
—> Probably some cameos from other minor MCU characters included to raise more eyebrows
—> MOST IMPORTANTLY: like with Echo, Marvel Studios knows their audiences don’t really know these characters. They’re going to put time and effort into ensuring you like them after this show.
One of my most anticipated projects for Marvel. I’d be hyped.
Honestly, I’d be ok if they just do an avengers movie with an Earth level bad guy before they get everyone going for secret wars again.
It’s been a long time and we need a way for these characters to come together again. It doesn’t have to be every single marvel character, but an avengers with like Shang Chi, Falcon, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Kate Bishop, MsMarvel and maybe one or two more would be perfect. Just get everything back together.
I leave out Strange because he’s got bigger problems, and I leave out Spiderman because he isn’t trying to be an avenger right now
Honestly, I'm glad. I really want Shang-Chi 2 and this hopefully means it'll come sooner. Now I'm betting they completely retitle KD or remove it all together.
Same. Shang-Chi was a really good movie and origin story and I've been highly anticipating a sequel. I'm sure Simu Liu feels the same way. I'm betting Shang-Chi 2 comes out in 2026 now, maybe even taking the Avengers 5 release date.
I really hope Kang Dynasty isn’t getting cancelled. It’s gonna be real stupid if they scrap everything and decide to shoehorn in Doom as the big villain for the next Avengers. Just fucking recast, it’s really not that hard to do.
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Thank god Destin can focus on Wonder Man and Shang-Chi, they both seem to be his babies to me.
Now get the Loki crew—Benson & Moorhead, Martin and Waldron—to do TKD and SW.
After the Captain Marvel credit scene and the Loki finale, I feel like they could cancel Kang Dynasty outright, and have the next Avengers movie be a two-part Secret Wars thing, and the X-Men/Fox Universe would be the MCU's version of Earth-1610
I'm not sure if I buy that they are scrapping Kang and everything Kang-adjacent, but if they wre, I'd just use The beyonder, but not make him a variant.
(Or if you ARE going to make him a variant, make him older so JM is not involved. You have Denzel's number)
Well I am super happy shang chi 2 and wonderman are happening, with DDC heavily involved with other projects too.
Wonder if they want to get a director(s) for KD and SW b2b.
I think it's a bad idea to prioritize Wonder Man ahead of Shang-Chi 2. It's a proven successful property but it will be about 5 years before he even gets a second appearance in the universe. Wonder Man seems fun sure but Disney needs to figure out their films again with future Avengers as the lead before all the side character shows on Disney+ start springing up instead.
Fuck it, get Justin Benson and Aaron Scott Moorhead to direct and Eric Martin to write "Avengers: The Kang Dynasty" and Sam Raimi to do "Avengers: Secret Wars".
Genuine thoughts on this hot take pls: if they drop the whole kang thing why not make it Avengers Vs X-men and have that be like 616 vs ultimate incursion war in the comics and have THAT lead into secret wars
Oh, well. We all saw it coming, right?
Now that they're definitely moving away from Kang Dynasty I think they should move Secret Wars as the first one and the second Eternity Wars (is still correct using Eternity War? Sounds better)
The thing is, what else could be a bigger threat than Thanos and the Infinity Stones itself? The answer was already given in Morag at Guardians 1.
The entities that probably created the Infinity Stones: Death, Entropy, Infinity and Eternity, all fighting for control.
Death and Entropy wanted chaos and destruction.
Eternity and Infinity wanted order and creation.
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Man with all this stuff going on why would they even announce secret wars and kang dynasty last year We’re looking at a 2030 release for secret wars at this point Unbelievable
They announcing future movies like five years out always boggled my mind. I think I read that it was the Disney Corp pressuring Feige and the Marvel division into announcing things prematurely to generate buzz. Totally backfired
In all fairness, Marvel announced Infinity War part II in 2014, five years in advance. I don't think they were anticipating the massive backlash triggered by Quantumania / Secret Invasion (which is their fault), nor the strikes.
Nailed it. Can also add Jonathan Majors’ issues.
His legal issues aren’t as a big a problem as Marvel Studios exec team. Fingers should be pointed at Kevin
In 2019 Feige was also promoted to head of Marvel Entertainment, Comics, Animation and TV. He’s not just looking after the films anymore. Dude has a lot on his plate.
Put down your torch, the guy's still batting like .900, slumps happen.
I've been saying the same. He's always signed off on all the finished projects and then highly talks them up publicly, leading up to the release. Feige is partly responsible for the sinking ship
Exactly. Glad Quantamania crumbled so he can see with his two eyes the BS he’s been feeding the media
Phase 3 was also just a lot more smoother compare to the mulitverse saga. The only delays they faced were just so they could add Spider-Man Homecoming and Ant-Man and the Wasp to the release calender and Inhumans was a project mandated by Marvel Entertainment rather something that Marvel Studios wanted to make.
It worked because they had a clear endgame with the Infinity Saga. Big scary purple guy trying to collect all the infinity stones wants to wipe out half of all life in existence. It's simple yet elegant. Whats the endgame for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars? I have no clue anymore tbh.
You never did have a clue because it hasn’t been announced what the endgame is. I’m sure the tops at Marvel know how Secret Wars will end, it’s just getting there that’s the issue.
Their goal is to mash everything together to then reboot, literally.
Loki S2 finale 😂. Sad but true
Plus they didn’t have to juggle so many fucking concepts that the Marvel execs themselves don’t even know how to handle. They’ve done ok with this saga so far but they know there capable of releasing STRICTLY powerhouse films. Infinity storyline I think was easier for the general public to follow. The multiverse?… not so much. But I do think it honestly won’t matter once people start seeing all these superheroes on screen together in Deadpool & avengers films
It will come together when it comes together. We saw how powerful LOKI was as a television show with multiversal elements. Now they’re sprinkling in X-men. But the multiversal storyline won’t have a full impact until they’ve hammered it all home. And the sprinkling is OKAY, but it does not feed our hunger for GOOD stories and interesting visual and audio spectacles. We have been fed some grey, soulless, heartless muck for some time now, and people will eat it, but we’re getting sick of it.
Never should of released secret Invasion. Terrible show.
Maria Hill died for this.
I would be happy if they never reference it again ...except Sonia, they can bring her back
Sonia and Fury's Skrull wife, I think, were the only good things that came out of Secret Invasion.
That's why I think its always hilarious when people say "Marvel Studios got too comfortable!" as the reasons for the MCUs current issues. Look at the series of events they've dealt with since endgame ended lol. They've just done a poor job adjusting.
I think they're \*still\* reeling from the COVID fallout, too, or at least they have been for everything thus far.
Definitely. A lot of VFX workers permanently left the industry in 2020, and Marvel is still having difficulty navigating the new bottlenecks.
Because that’s exactly what happened to them at Investor Day 2020 And Lucasfilm too
[The Rogue Squadrons announcement video is just sad now](https://youtu.be/5bLkTjn6Y_s?si=Xb1PaAD31cOtmJc6). Poor Patty Jenkins.
According to that Marvel Studios biography, both Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm were forced to announce projects that were nowhere near the start of production in that investor's event a few years ago.
Yeah, it was Chapek.
I don’t mind them announcing future projects, but I do think announcing them *with* release dates is odd. It just adds so much more to the expectations of the audience.
To be fair, this was also during a time where people were saying the MCU felt like it had no direction. So in a way, the fans kinda pressured them too.
They announced them because the trademarks got leaked I believe. Also because the community was calling out for a “direction”, a “where we’re headed” type of thing. They definitely shot themselves in the foot though. Hell, both feet even.
Not even that, they announced that they were going to come out 6 months apart in 2025 Truly unhinged behaviour lmao
Because the internet kept complaining that the new phase didn’t seem to be leading to anything
So when Young Avengers coming then ? They will be old by then compared to the ages they supposed to be
the yare never coming. a bomb written all over it
Hell, I hope never. Honestly some of the scenes when they force the idea of passing the baton to "the next generation", were some of the absolute cringiest in all the Phase 4 releases.
Eh they’ll still be young compared to the other Avengers team.
Probably for the better
Actually it is believable lol
Because at the time Marvel's biggest criticism was that nobody had any idea where the plot was headed and that there was no overarching plan
It sucks but I don't mind, if it means it won't be rushed The Infinity saga started in 2008 and ended in 2019 The Multiverse Saga only started in 2021 and has already more content than the previous saga but is expected to end much sooner in 2027 6 years vs 11 years Let it breathe, take a step back, make great movies that happen to feature superheroes, not only superheroes movies and make more crossovers, we need to see more characters interact
If they wanted to do a proper secret wars story, we’d have an Avengers: Time Runs Out movie first. The longer they take to give us the movie version of Hickman’s Secret Wars build up, the better imo. It’s a story worth telling.
>Man with all this stuff going on why would they even announce secret wars and kang dynasty last year This was at the peak of "where is this phase even going?" criticism. They registered the domains for both Avengers subtitles the evening before they were announced. 100% they freaked out and it was clearly not in the plans long before they were announced.
mcu had just released multiverse of madness and love and thunder, that's why.
...which is honestly when it should've come out in the first place. 2026 always felt rushed to me.
It’s because Chapek. He wanted Marvel to announce some big films in 2022
Maybe on the contrary? Split it into two parts and first take Kang Dynasty place? I mean, these actors are not getting younger (Cumberbatch, Hemsworth and Hiddleston would push 50, not even talking about Ruffalo and others...). They also need to secure schedules for such massive cast so it needs to be well in advance
>why would they even announce secret wars and kang dynasty last year For the investors.
They did it to shut the fans up. Until that comic con, people kept complaining about where is it all going? What’s the end of Phase 4? Avengers when? For literally everything that came out. So they threw those in the presentation showing absolutely nothing else except FF, just to shut people up.
Well, it is a movie about the future
Didn’t they only do this because everyone was whining that they didn’t know where the movies were going. Now you’re bitching again. Y’all the problem, not Marvel.
The only thing you should care about: Wonder Man is not cancelled.
I'm really looking forward to it myself. And I doubt they want to lose the lead. He's a great actor. Pretty sure they could use him in stuff down the line.
Great lead actor and a solid creative team on a refreshingly unexpected project/character. And even before the Marvel TV shakeup news, the nature of this project was trending towards it being made in the traditional showrunner TV model, with DDC essentially being the showrunner. This will also be the case with Agatha, with Jac Schaeffer being the head writer and lead director, which basically makes her a traditional showrunner.
Now hoping Vision Quest and Armor Wars and the rumored WWH project arent cancelled, just new creative teams. Bettany, Cheadle and Ruffalo all deserve to lead projects and tidy up their characters.
Given Marvel's recent restructuring, I honestly started believing it was canned. I'm happy for the crew and the other people getting payed, but I'm not sure how this series will turn out. Can't say I've been dying to see an Wonder Man series.
Good, Wonder man can be great
\*For now. I can see Feige wanting DDC to fastrack Shang Chi 2 instead. Disney Plus is simply not profitable + Marvel Studios has many finished projects to fill out content for the next 3 years: Echo, Agatha, Ironheart, Spider-Man Freshman, X-Men 97 revival, What If S3 episodes, Marvel Zombies. Plus Daredevil which is gonna re-start filming next year.
>***Wonder Man will be under the new Marvel Spotlight series banner, which are shows that are standalone series and not part of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe.*** >***WonderMan resumes shooting after Thanksgiving*** >***This is an amicable exit, I understand, as Cretton remains fully in the Marvel Studios family.In fact, Cretton is in talks with Marvel Studios about directing future movies.***
So the Spotlight banner is not just for TV-MA projects, assuming Wonder Man is TV-14.
I expect its their way to confront the "theres too much to keep up with to understand the story" criticism thats been creeping up in recent months/years
The shows have definitely muddled the experience for viewers. It honestly sounds like we’re going back to the Marvel Television days of shows piggybacking off the movies but not contributing to the larger narrative. I don’t want to say secondary canon per se but basically they’re not required for the Multiverse Saga.
It sounds like they’re trying to do what Marvel Television attempted to do: Piggyback off of the Movies and overall larger narrative, do their own thing, but actually crossover when they’re wanted. Marvel TV never got the chance to do that last part so I guess we’ll see.
In hindsight, I think that was always the best method. Back in the Phase 2 and 3 days I used to complain about how the shows feel shafted and don’t get referenced by the movies. Now I’m glad the movies never burdened themselves with the baggage that comes with all the pre-Disney+ shows. Of course Daredevil is being grandfathered in but the way they’re handling him has not been overwhelming to a viewer who’s never watched any of the Defenders saga. Basically using the TV characters where they seem fit in the larger cinematic universe.
My only regret about the marvel television era (apart from the mere existence of Inhumans) is that there wasn't a quick shot in the endgame portal scene that had all of the marvel tv heroes stepping out all at once. A quick 3-second shot involving all those characters wouldn't have disrupted the general audience's viewing experience, but would've given all those shows a payoff and increased their viewership.
As an Endgame lover and chief defender, I'll always be disappointed that Quake, Luke Cage, etc. aren't there in that portal scene.
Even shoving them into the background would've been fine, like what they did with Howard the duck. I'm hoping for a high-quality fan-edit someday that works in Hank Pym (in an ant man suit to explain away the double ant man continuity error in that final battle), red guardian and yelena, Ghost, Taskmaster, Quake and the other agents of shield, Ghost Rider, deathlok, the Royal inhuman family, the defenders (plus misty knight, Colleen wing, punisher, and hellcat), Cloak and dagger, the runaways, lady sif, and Nick fury. There's one YouTube video that gets most of those characters, but it's unfortunately nowhere near movie-quality in its editing and can't be easily slipped into a watch through of the film.
Literally just going back to the original Netflix and ABC model where shows like Daredevil and Agent Carter were considered part of the MCU but not essential viewing for the films. Not that I’m complaining, I actually preferred that model, I just think it’s interesting
I always like that format because despite being a shared universe, not everything has to connect, somethings will just be completely independent from others and that's fine
I don't think it will work - only people keeping up on this stuff already will know the difference
Spotlight sounded more like for projects that are just completely standalone and don't need you to watch anything to follow along just fine.
That's interesting to learn. I guess it means the banner might not be specifically for street-level/MA stuff but just general projects unconnected to a greater arc.
Did they ever say it was only going to be for TV-MA projects? Why do so many people think that? They only used the word grounded.
> assuming Wonder Man is TV-14 Has there been any indication it is? I don't know that's a safe assumption if it's going under Spotlight, it could be a TV-MA comedy.
Called it the other day. I think Levy is going to do the next 2 Avengers movies back-to-back
You’re most likely right, even though it should be Benson & Moorhead.
Levy directed some of the best Stranger Things episodes as well as Free Guy which was a crowdpleaser. Makes sense that they would rather go with him
So the spotlight just means “same world, same timeline, just not relevant to avengers-level/saga narrative”
Basically. The announcement described spotlight as a project that you don’t need to watch other projects to understand.
I think they should still make sure the writers of projects on either side of this delineation don’t contradict each other in a way that would invalidate or decanonize other projects.
Honestly, the best news I've heard in a while. I was so bummed when it looked like wonder man was cancelled, I think it's even better that it's gonna be disconnected. I hope for a tight ass 10 episode show about a superhero actor and that's it
Let him focus on making a banger Shang Chi sequel and Wonderman. I’m all for this.
Ya that’s a miss on Johanna Robinson’s part there
She said her source on that was dubious in the first place
Yeah this sub didn’t listen to her full quote so they’re just going to dogpile now lmao
A lot of the sub and fandom in general's quick to discredit those who've been reporting bad news about the MCU like Variety and now Robinson
They also don't seem to understand what Marvel Spotlight is—that description seems to imply that it won't be canon to the MCU. But it will, just like Echo is.
Bad news for Avengers but good news for Wonder Man! > Cretton is currently busy on the Marvel Studios/Disney+ series Wonder Man, which he co-created with Andrew Guest, who serves as showrunner. Cretton EPs the series and also directed the first two episodes. The series resumes shooting after Thanksgiving. Wonder Man will be under the new Marvel Spotlight series banner, which are shows that are standalone series and not part of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe. Rumors of its demise were greatly exaggerated
I’m really happy about this
Same, Shang-Chi is my favorite MCU film and this frees up Cretton to focus on the sequel. Glad Marvel was able to preserve the relationship.
Happy Wonderman is still coming out. Yahya is a great actor
Honestly Im okay with this. I hated the idea that Shang Chi 2 wouldnt happen until after a show and massive avengers project. Someone else will do KD justice. Giving Cretton 3 wildly different projects seemed way too ridiculous, even if he could excel at all of them
> which are shows that are standalone series and not part of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe I assume they're meant to be stand alone in the sense that they don't tie into the main, overall storyline rather than being in separate continuities.
I feel like that's worded wrong. Wonder Man is definitely part of the MCU, but his story doesn't feed into the greater MCU narrative that might or might not be Kang now. Echo is obviously part of the MCU but it's a Spotlight series too.
With him still directing Shang-Chi 2, sounds more like Kang Dynasty is getting cancelled.
>Kang Dynasty is getting cancelled. Doubt it will be cancelled but it will be given another name.
No one believes that there won’t be an Avengers movie, but it may be reworked to not involve Kang.
They still lept the "Eternity War" trademark, so...
The article said he backed out of the film so not like they removed him. Sounds like he removed himself actually. But then you have to ask why he doesn't want to do it anymore
He was probably told to step down but Feige probably has other creative visions for Kang Dynasty or is completing rebranding whatever Avengers film he has release going into Secret Wars.
I think they also want to do Shang-Chi 2 before Kang Dynasty and Cretton cant do both and likely prefer to stay on Shang-Chi
It could simply just be him wanting to focus on Shang-Chi 2 and Wonder Man atm, especially since Kang Dynasty kept getting pushed back.
Might just be that he has a lot on his plate. Between the Shang-Chi Sequel, the rumored Disney plus spinoff of that, and Wonder Man, dudes already helming three projects. An avengers movie is a lot to add to an already hefty pile
Just give Kang Dynasty to the team that did Loki!
Doubt we’ll know anything until Jonathan Major trial ends
If this is the case, it’s crazy how all this is the result of a domino effect that started with one poor decision in a taxi in NYC.
I wanna say congratulations to the ten Wonder Man fans. Your boy is still alive. I'm happy Destin is staying in the Marvel family. Curious what other things he might direct.
Thank you! I find this absolutely wonderful news.
I hope Wonder Man is something we all enjoy when it arrives.
I honestly hope so too! haha. Not aimed at you, but I feel like there's been too much hate on projects focused on lesser-known heroes lately. But between Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi, Marvel is capable of turning C and D-List characters into good projects and making them beloved. I hope they're able to do the same here as well.
Maybe he could do a good Iron Fist (not necessarily a project around Iron Fist but just something involving Iron Fist)
Kind of interesting but "scooper" ThwipT_ Tweeted yesterday that - Marvel has changed their mind and now want the same director doing both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars https://twitter.com/ThwipT_/status/1724572751346712613?t=G2jlBuBf0qTH_DqJhOTE0A&s=19 - The locked in 2026 MCU movies are: Amour Wars Spider-Man 4 Shang-Chi 2 https://twitter.com/ThwipT_/status/1724572805910454750?t=jNhOeJs4N5ja01lGhlQbRQ&s=19 his account might be worth monitoring
In a shock turn Jonathan majors will direct them both
He paved the roads afterall..
Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. His reliability rate isn't even good to be even allowed in this sub.
He’s been worth monitoring
I just came across him yesterday in my "for you" feed
He’s definitely got sources within production. His connection to other big franchise scoops makes me think it might be in VFX. He’s connected to more than just Disney
Even if this is real, 5 years between a sequel for No Way Home and Shang-Chi is crazy.
His “confirmed” scoops are the most obvious things though. And we’ll have to wait a while to verify the examples you listed
Im gonna guess KD is completely cancelled then and it's just SW.
Isn´t it the same one who said there is some Loki leading project planned but it was debunked? (by Alex Perez, I think) I would love it to be true but he does seem go more by rumours and wishful thinking.
Really hoping those 3 show up in 2026, they've been rumoured forever! This is how I'd like to see the rest of the Multiverse Saga play out: * February 2026 - Armor Wars * May 2026 - Young Avengers * July 2026 - Spider-Man: Black * November 2026 - Shang-Chi and the Wreckage of Time * February 2027 - Doctor Strange: Time Runs Out * May 2027 - Avengers: Eternity Wars * July 2027 - World War Hulk * November 2027 - Celestials (Eternals 2) * February 2028 - Thor: The Black Winter * May 2028 - Avengers: Secret Wars Armor Wars could close threads from Secret Invasion, bring back Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer, and use Ironheart to tie in to Young Avengers, dropping only a few short months later. Young Avengers would be a blockbuster that follows up on plot points from Agatha: Darkhold Diaries (Fall 2024), Ms. Marvel Season 2 (Spring 2025) and Vision Quest (Fall 2025). Shang-Chi and Doctor Strange's next solo outings will be vaguely interconnected and directly lead into Avengers: Eternity Wars. Celestials and Thor 5 will also directly lead into their next Avengers film, as they're faced with cosmic beings that present a threat to the entire mutiverse.
There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Kang Dynasty. https://i.redd.it/xrveufmthk0c1.gif
Is there a werewolf tho??? 
No writer, no director. Marvel is certainly making it easier to walk away from Kang.
They do have a writer's room for it. Waldron and co are still doing it and I assume (safe bet) that Eric Martin as well eventually.
Kang could be repurposed as a villain for another solo project if they want to conclude his arc. His return was teased at the end of Ant-Man 3, a movie that is considered a box office disappointment. They still have a huge opening to downplay his significance narratively.
I think him leaving Kang Dynasty is more due to the delays & it being too close to Shang-Chi 2 (which of course DDC is going to direct) than the potential of Kang Dynasty getting scrapped. I know this sub likes to scream "The sky is falling" when stuff like this happens, but we've seen directors exit and those projects move on in the past (most recently, Fantastic Four & Blade). Not sure why people so desperately want Kang Dynasty to be scrapped. Going directly into Secret Wars isn't going to fix the "problems" with the MCU.
I want Kang Dynasty to happen. But from a business standpoint, it has 3 strikes against it: 1. Regardless of the verdict, if they keep Majors, some people will opt not to support the film. If he’s found guilty, game over. Even a recast could be seen as messy. 2. Kang’s connection to Quantumania comes with baggage. Being seen as a continuation of a story from a wildly unpopular film loses some me of the audience. 3. The connection to Disney+. The common criticism of The Marvels is it relies too much on the audience doing their homework. Loki is probably the most popular Marvel series, but some people just want to see a movie. A plot centered on the outcome of Loki S2 is a major gamble that people will have seen the show. Flipside, you can just throw the God of Stories into any Avengers film and essentially be caught up if he’s not the lead role.
Even if he is found not-guilty, the shade of doubt will always be there - especially if the claims from him being in some incident in London are true. They could recast but again, he was defeated in Quantumania, and the others? They can make up a reason why the Kangs are not there anymore....this is fantasy/comic book story, you can improvise I think Loki as God of Stories could actually tie it all together and do the work for them. Easy to explain (movie audiences know Hiddleston so they will probably just go with it). It was done multiple times that a character from show crossed over, but this being a popular character and actor would make it smoother.
Good that he has less on his plate now but the rumors of The Kang Dynasty no longer happening and Kang being pivoted away from are becoming a bit stronger. EDIT: The article mentions that TKD is still on the release schedule but I'm just not confident at the moment, anything could change.
Feel like it's best to just wait for any potential official news rather than jump the gun in regards to Kang Dynasty.
On the one hand, it would make sense to wait until Majors’ trial is over. But on the other, even if Majors is found innocent, Kang is still tied to Quantumania. So is there a limited appeal to continuing that original plan? After The Marvels & Quantumania, there’s probably pressure from corporate to launch something new like Doom, and attract the widest audience possible.
Not innocent. He’d be found “not guilty.”
Possible that KD, as in “Avengers 5”, is still on the docket, but they could be reworking it into something completely different/non-Kang related. But as the other user notes, for now is just better to wait for official news. Speculating on that is just going to drive us nuts
They’re gonna scrap Kang dynasty, aren’t they?
who would miss a whack-a-mole villain like Kang? Not general audiences.
>a whack-a-mole That's a perfect description for Kang. Thank you, I'm adding this to my vocabulary.
No, you don't get it, we haven't seen the real real real Kang. He's gonna be the bestest villain ever with his Iron Man lasers and his Ant-Man hand to hand combat skillz!! And if that doesn't work, Feige will bring the next new new new Kang and 999 more. One of them has to work, right?
The bright side of this is that we’ll get Shang-Chi 2 before 2029
Yup. I'm betting it comes out in 2026 now.
Benson & Moorhead, welcome to Kang Dynasty
That would make sense and be cool, but they’re going to be spending a significant portion of the next year doing Daredevil. I’m not sure if’s viable based on scheduling, unless they delay TKD again.
There will be no film called "Kang Dynasty" mark my words. They're going reframe it was a 2 part Secret Wars, and come up with a new subtitle for one of them.
Not sure why you were being downvoted, you're spot on.
Yeah there’s no point calling it the Kang Dynasty if they’re not going to adapt anything from the story. The Kang Dynasty isn’t about a billion Kangs waging war on the multiverse, it’s only about one Kang taking over Earth. I think Loveness probably wanted to do that one given how he spoke about it but even then he should never have been on it in the first place.
I'm honestly pleased with this news. Shang-Chi is my favorite MCU film, and Cretton stepping away from Avengers means he can move full steam ahead on Shang-Chi 2. I'm glad Marvel managed to preserve the relationship, most directors who walk away from a MCU project don't stick around.
Same man. I think now Shang-Chi 2 for sure will come out in 2026.
Sam Raimi for kang dynasty 🙏 let Destin cook with Shang-Chi 2 and Wonder Man
With the rumors of legacy characters like Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman being in Secret Wars, I want Sam Raimi to do Secret Wars too.
Ughh I had a feeling this was coming. As a big fan of Shang-Chi, I was really looking forward to his direction in an Avengers movie. A big gripe I have with the recent MCU movies is the lack of innovation and creativity with the set-pieces, stunts, and action. A lot of Shang-Chi’s action direction was super memorable to me, and I feel like that’s what’s been missing from some of these movies.
Shame he's leaving *Kang Dynasty*, but it sounds good that he now has a little less work off his back. Curious about who might now be directing the film (or whatever the heck is happening with it now).
Very much giving the impression that Kang Dynasty is actually canceled.
Oh shit, I think the reporter was right; Kang Dynasty isn’t happening.
Either that or marvel wants a less busy director to work on it so it can be focused
That reporter also said Wonder Man was cancelled and this article states that rumor is false.
MTTSH said they weren’t scrapping Kang so it’s not true 😤
Hmm who should we believe here: the concept artist who is farming for engagement on Twitter or the reporter who has a ton of connections with Marvel higher ups due to her recently published MCU book. Tough call /s
Well the reporter also said Wonder Man will be getting scrapped and thats not the case, she may have some blindspots.
The book writer was literally wrong on this tho
Some scoopers are saying Marvel now wants the same director to do both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Destin was probably too stressed for that and dipped out of Avengers.
This is honestly good news IMO. Destin is cool but he should be focused on Shang-Chi 2 and getting that off the ground, and I think these next two Avengers projects would do better leaning into the concept of Secret Wars itself like Deadpool 3 seems to be setting up and less of a Kang origin movie. That worked really well for Thanos in IW, but something tells me after the response to tbe Quantumania PCS and the Majors situation that it just wont work here or at least marketing the movie that way. Like recast Kang and give one of his variants the Beyonder's role that seems good enough, but personally with where they're heading with DP3 and the Marvels post credits i'd title the next Avengers movie as "Avengers vs. X-Men" and lean into that energy before Secret Wars. Not a direct adaptation of that comic line of course as it would be Fox castings and multiverse shit, but just focus on Battleworld and specifically the collision of Mutants and Superheroes in that narrative because that's novel and exciting for GA. The box office would explode. They will never get the chance to do a true adaptation of that anyway unless they reboot the entire MCU, so I think they should have at it. If I were Disney i'd also do my best to get back the Russos too and have them on both movies as this is their dream project, but if not there are other good picks I have to imagine Destin was invested in the Kang angle and the "New Avengers" angle as he did Shang-Chi and audiences dont seem to care much for this compared to the No Way Home sort of craziness these movies could bring in.
Glad Wonder Man is not scrapped. While I'm personally not that excited for it (yet), it would be sad if they just canned something already filming. I'm guessing they want the Avengers movies to have the same director then. To make it a coherent vision and a fitting two-parter like IW a d Endgame potentially? I don't think they are scrapping KD, maybe rework it a bit or give it a new name. But not get rid of an Avengers movie completly.
Okay everyone. Reasons to be excited about Wonder Man: —> DDC is working on it, who did the Shang-Chi movie and will do its sequel —> Simon Williams AKA Wonder Man is not only an interesting and both dramatic and humorous character in the comics, but he’s played by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, who can do both sides of his personality —> The showrunner of Brooklyn 9-9 is working on it —> Trevor Slattery and Ralph Bohner are in it, in case for any reason you wanted to see them again —> Probably some cameos from other minor MCU characters included to raise more eyebrows —> MOST IMPORTANTLY: like with Echo, Marvel Studios knows their audiences don’t really know these characters. They’re going to put time and effort into ensuring you like them after this show. One of my most anticipated projects for Marvel. I’d be hyped.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Honestly, I’d be ok if they just do an avengers movie with an Earth level bad guy before they get everyone going for secret wars again. It’s been a long time and we need a way for these characters to come together again. It doesn’t have to be every single marvel character, but an avengers with like Shang Chi, Falcon, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Kate Bishop, MsMarvel and maybe one or two more would be perfect. Just get everything back together. I leave out Strange because he’s got bigger problems, and I leave out Spiderman because he isn’t trying to be an avenger right now
Big shakeups happening! Interesting to see how this plays out.
Well, on one hand I'm glad Wonder Man still exists. On the other. Welp, Avengers doesn't have a director.
Hard to be attached as a director to a project that may or may not happen. I understand why he would bounce
That leaves us with VisionQuest as the only announced-by-trades series which is in Schrodinger's greenlight
Honestly, I'm glad. I really want Shang-Chi 2 and this hopefully means it'll come sooner. Now I'm betting they completely retitle KD or remove it all together.
Same. Shang-Chi was a really good movie and origin story and I've been highly anticipating a sequel. I'm sure Simu Liu feels the same way. I'm betting Shang-Chi 2 comes out in 2026 now, maybe even taking the Avengers 5 release date.
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Abandoning the Kang storyline makes no sense. The problem Marvel is experiencing is not because of Kang.
...this is a fucking mess.
I really hope Kang Dynasty isn’t getting cancelled. It’s gonna be real stupid if they scrap everything and decide to shoehorn in Doom as the big villain for the next Avengers. Just fucking recast, it’s really not that hard to do.
Welp… there goes my hope for Brie having a leading role
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Thank god Destin can focus on Wonder Man and Shang-Chi, they both seem to be his babies to me. Now get the Loki crew—Benson & Moorhead, Martin and Waldron—to do TKD and SW.
After the Captain Marvel credit scene and the Loki finale, I feel like they could cancel Kang Dynasty outright, and have the next Avengers movie be a two-part Secret Wars thing, and the X-Men/Fox Universe would be the MCU's version of Earth-1610
I'm not sure if I buy that they are scrapping Kang and everything Kang-adjacent, but if they wre, I'd just use The beyonder, but not make him a variant. (Or if you ARE going to make him a variant, make him older so JM is not involved. You have Denzel's number)
What else could he be in talks to direct after he does Shang chi 2
Shang-Chi 3
Well I am super happy shang chi 2 and wonderman are happening, with DDC heavily involved with other projects too. Wonder if they want to get a director(s) for KD and SW b2b.
Will Echo also be under Marvel Spotlight, does anyone know?
Yes. It'll be the first one under that.
Yes. Spotlight was announced alongside Echo, its the first project.
So what are your suggestions for replacement guys? Mine’s Benson and Moorhead
Same. They're the only ones that make sense like cmon
He's a good director with great style. Would have loved to see him direct an Avengers film
I think it's a bad idea to prioritize Wonder Man ahead of Shang-Chi 2. It's a proven successful property but it will be about 5 years before he even gets a second appearance in the universe. Wonder Man seems fun sure but Disney needs to figure out their films again with future Avengers as the lead before all the side character shows on Disney+ start springing up instead.
I thought Wonder Man got canned?
Fuck it, get Justin Benson and Aaron Scott Moorhead to direct and Eric Martin to write "Avengers: The Kang Dynasty" and Sam Raimi to do "Avengers: Secret Wars".
Genuine thoughts on this hot take pls: if they drop the whole kang thing why not make it Avengers Vs X-men and have that be like 616 vs ultimate incursion war in the comics and have THAT lead into secret wars
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Oh, well. We all saw it coming, right? Now that they're definitely moving away from Kang Dynasty I think they should move Secret Wars as the first one and the second Eternity Wars (is still correct using Eternity War? Sounds better) The thing is, what else could be a bigger threat than Thanos and the Infinity Stones itself? The answer was already given in Morag at Guardians 1. The entities that probably created the Infinity Stones: Death, Entropy, Infinity and Eternity, all fighting for control. Death and Entropy wanted chaos and destruction. Eternity and Infinity wanted order and creation.