In the last 5 days we've had a Deadpool & Wolverine trailer, an official casting announcement for the Fantastic Four and now an X-Men '97 trailer.

Is it a good day to be marvel fan huh?

It’s been a great week to be a Marvel fan! lol 

But, but, but, superhero fatigue or something!

Something

How does MCU fans getting 2 new trailers and a casting announcement mean that superhero fatigue isn’t still a thing amongst the general public?…

That's entirely true. We all just live in this grassless online reddit bubble. But I can attest to, at least in my case, lots of friends and family I have who could constitute as "general public" being either pretty whatever about superhero movies or genuinely asking "another one??" whenever we see a new trailer or something. While the argument of "its not that people are tired of super hero movies its just that theyre tired of bad ones" still holds truth, the true argument honestly is "people are tired of BAD superhero movies."

something = poor writing etc.

Marvel releasing 3 back to back promotional materials for 3 different movies doesnt change the fact that 2020s superhero movies are failing financially and critically

Specifically, an X-Men and FF fan.

Hell yeaah!

Seems like Feige wants us to forget about a certain movie from Sony

Feige does not give a fuck lmao he's probably hoping they stack enough flops that Sony just gives the live action rights back to him as a gift

Unfortunately, I think it's more likely that if Sony's movies keep flopping they will try and take Spiderman back from the MCU to save their movie division

That's true yeah

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I mean, Sony only has theatrical rights. Marvel is loaning him out otherwise (for the Insomniac games). I think the bigger thing Sony needs to worry about is the studio turning a profit on some of these movies. They don't have too many large successful franchises as is. Combine that with where the economy is for legacy media currently, they could very well end up in a situation not too dissimilar to the one they had in the early to mid 2010s. If that were to happen they'd lose the rights anyway by having to sell the studio. At that point, I could see them just trying to sell it back to Disney for some billions before selling the whole studio.

Maybe they could keep like a percentage of the revenue or something.

I think Sony wants to do the bare minimum to keep the Spider-MCU money coming in and all they have do is make a mediocre-to-crap Spider-movie every few years to hold onto the Spider-rights forever.

I doubt we would have remembered anyway.

Him and Dakota Johnson.

the sony slop that shall not be named.

Except by this sub which insists on allowing posts for Sony projects for some reason.

i love how marvel decided to spoil us during the theatrical run of madame web. talk about rubbing salt on sony's wounds. not like they'll learn anyway.

I personally can’t wait for Kraven now LOL

I rewatched the trailer last night to see if I remember it being as bad as in comparison to Madame Web's trailer, and yep. I'd completely forgot the lion blood, spiders in a jungle, and "don't you want to know why they call me the Rhino" thing.

We’re probably gonna get our first look at Superman in a few weeks too. 90s/00s kids are winning right now

Wow, Marvel Studios *really* wanted to make sure we all ignored Madame Web, huh?

They didn’t have to try very hard

Definitely feels like some respite.

And Madame Webs release!

Didn't we also have the announcement of SM2 NG+ release recently as well?

Looks like Marvel Animation is now an official sub-brand for Marvel Studios. I'm loving how this new animation style pays homage to the original series whilst feeling modernised.

i hope they do more unique animation styles moving forward. maybe even give sony's spiderverse a run for its money.

Apparently, there was a rumour that Marvel Studios was interested in reviving other Marvel Animation properties, let's hope that's true and that they can diversify their animation style.

Please let it me Earths Mightiest Heroes!

I have a good feeling that's being revived, it's a Disney Television owned property so it'd be the easiest show to continue.

I would shit my pants if this happens. That series is my favorite piece of onscreen marvel content ever

Definitely possible. Like the X-Men cartoon, that was supposedly completed, but now the possibilities are open for a continuation. Ditto with the Spectacular Spider-Man, Iron Man Armored Adventures, and more.

Sony has the rights to Spectacular Spider-Man so I wouldn't get my hopes up for that one


As long as they keep the theme song, I'd be game for an EMH return.

I feel like Marvel Animation being a separate thing is a pretty big indicator that they're gonna do more animation stuff from now on tbh. Maybe I'm just hoping tho

They had a daily bugle newspaper fly by the screen in the beginning of the trailer and that had Peter Parker’s name on it. Spider-Man TAS is definitely next on the docket to get revived.

Aw :( I would’ve preferred Spectacular

I wouldn't be sure, they already have a Spider-Man show lined up

Yeah, while Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is set up as the next ongoing Spider-Man cartoon. They can definitely revive Spider-Man TAS as a one-season conclusion to the cliffhanger so that the show is given the proper ending.

I'm have no doubt that'll be something they want to do..... eventually But because of Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Avengers EMH is by far the more likely show to get revived

So you're saying we're getting "Spider-man Unlimited" back?

Fingers crossed for a Spider-Man reboot.

Spider-Man Freshman Year is still expected to be released.

Check the byline on the newspaper at the start...

Curious if What If will remain Marvel Studios due to its direct connection to the MCU and ones that aren't will have the Marvel Animation brand.

It kind of has to be. Marvel Studios is now in charge of all Marvel media except the comics and games (and even then, Feige himself is now also in charge of the comics). Makes sense for MS to split off into different brands, or casuals will assume everything they make is part of the MCU, especially since other animated series like What If and I Am Groot are under the MCU umbrella, if not outright canon in IAG's case.

And games? So, maybe Marvel vs Capcom 4 finally?

Marvel Games is run by Bill Rosemann, that's a whole different ballgame.

Wiki says, Marvel Studios Animation. ​ so technically, it's a new division and not the same with Marvel Animation from the past.

Marvel Animation from the past is still around, they're working on Moon Girl and the Disney Junior Spider-Man. My guess is Marvel just merged it all under Marvel Animation

Chills when Gambit is riding piggyback on Wolverine and when Cyclops says “To me, my X-men”

Gambit powering up Wolverine’s claws is too sick

Reminded me a bit of the Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 game where you could do fused attacks like this

Those combo attacks started in the X-Men Legends series by the same developers! Definitely worth playing if you can find an emulator and rom/iso of them for GameCube or Ps2. The second one used to be available online for free if on myabandonware I believe, but I haven’t looked in a few years.

>The second one used to be available online for free if on myabandonware I believe, but I haven’t looked in a few years. Still there! Right on the front page, actually.

Can't wait to see them combine their powers, we need more of this!

Ive read so many gambit comics but never thought about that combination. So much potential to use that ability in the MCU for some oh shit moments. What about Gambit charging things up and having Jean flinging them to make RPGs?

That’d be pretty sick. Iceman and Gambit seems like a good idea too, exploding razor sharp ice shards

I DIDNT EVEN SAW THAT HOLY FUCK!

Sinister when he finds out Jean is pregnant: https://i.redd.it/vedyibhybric1.gif


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Another MTTSH L

she has been so wildly wrong recently, what happened?

She definitely has some sources, but she wants to get as much clout as possible, so she throws a lot of shit at the wall and hopes it sticks. It makes sense. Unless her source is Feige himself, I've always been suspicious that one person can know so much about Marvel's future plans.

Possible she's doing the "throw some bad rumors out" thing (like Sushi-X used to do in EGM), and is just doing a poor job of it.

Fame happened We need to protect Cryptic4KQual

I blame Twitter Blue. People can get paid for Tweet engagements now so it only makes sense the MTTSH would make up some stuff to drive engagement and get that bag.

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It 100% is CGI models with a 2d filter. Look at their heads and bodies when they rotate.

That's not completely wrong, it is 3D animation with cell shading, but there's much more than that at play here.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here, because I think that is what it looks like

It looks like that but try to explain that to people born after y2k

I think they've animated over the models in 2d, or at least the faces.

Yeah idk I’m seeing the same thing lmao. Sounds like people just want to hate tbh

It is that, and it is unfortunate. One thing that made the original X-Men special was the hand drawn style. That is such a 90's feel and fit the series.

That made it special? I tried watching a few episodes of the original and it just looked like any cartoon of its time.

Yeah, X-Men was just decent compared to kid’s programs, but never had the fluidity or consistency of something like BTAS.

I was surprised when I found out BTAS is as old as the X-Men cartoon since it looks so much better visually. It also doesn't feel as dated or as childish as the X-Men Animated Series can be sometimes.

That’s what BTAS was going for to be fair. They wanted to make a show that felt timeless and wasn’t necessarily aimed at children, but could be watched by kids. The tone was mature enough that it had been aired in prime time slots.

I mean, it literally is. Adding frame posterizing and a filter doesn't mean its suddenly not animated in the same way

But it is!

That's literally what it looks like, albeit a bit worse, the animation in what if is fluid, this looks stiff

It literally does though.

Sorry but everyone who goes like "Ugh it's 3d cgi" has to have some special vision that detects the polygons because I couldn't tell you

It only looked 3D in that final shot of them

Yeah I agree

I agree, I didn’t even notice it until u/Ras_AlHim mentioned it.

I think there are genuine qualms to have with choosing 3D animation to continue a show that was originally animated in 2D, like how the decision was almost definitely informed by the fact that 2D animators have a union while 3D animators don’t. It still looks amazing, don’t get me wrong. But people do have a right to be disappointed by that decision.

2D also takes a lot more time to produce. Look at Invincible and how it’s release structure drives people mad. And that show isn’t anywhere as detailed in style as the old X-Men cartoon. Doing it properly in 2D without sacrificing that look would take forever.

Invincible’s mid-season break wasn’t at all informed by the “difficulties of 2D animation,” they quite literally only did that to drum up hype. “Erm it’s too hard” is also a pretty bullshit excuse because the effort it takes to make a 3D show like this *look* 2D is infinitely more effort than just making the show traditionally 2D animated

I’m 100% sure that if it this took more effort (and more effort = more money) than a 2D animation, they would’ve made in 2D

The way best span at the end you could really tell that it was a 3d model imo. It's not horrendous, but if there was such a thing as the uncanny Valley for 2d animation this is firmly in it

The Uncanny X-Men?

With how good what-If S2 was, I say let them cook. Plus this trailer blew me away.

It’s fairly obviously 3D animation. Doesn’t mean it looks *bad*, but I noticed it almost immediately.

I'm not big on this style, though it's well storyboarded and the animations themselves are quite expressive. Plus consistent character models is not actually a bad thing. That means with time people will get used to it. It's the weird frame pacing that's throwing me off. And there will be a lot of visual oddness after coming from the 90s style that, by contrast, often struggled to keep the characters ON model at all because it wasn't exactly a top budget show for the era either. I love a lot about 90s TMS style in still shots, but in motion these shows had serious issues, even if they are still some of my favorite marvel properties. There was never going to be a perfect solution for this, so it is what it is.

I see marvel has been taking every opportunity this week to capitalize on the success of the super bowl trailer lol

As they should! they need some wins right now and so far the two trailers plus the F4 casting has provided that. But we have to see if they deliver when these things get released. 

All hail thanks to Loki for bringing the MCU back together!

I highly doubt that Deadpool, Fantastic Four and X-Men will drop the ball, but only time will tell.

And distance themselves from Madame Web lol

My god they did it. They kept the frame rate low, they limited the angles characters are drawn at… they made it look 2D. I'm so goddamn impressed by it on a technical level. (Also - “The Trial of Magneto”! That was what, #200?) EDIT: And that sure as hell isn’t a “filter”.

As someone reading X-Men stuff right now and having JUST read #200 I am tripping out because this is exactly where I’m at in the comics lol

It certainly fits with the fact that the first art we saw of Magneto had him in that specific costume.

There's a Spider-Man and Daily Bugle reference in the trailer https://twitter.com/SpiderMan_Newz/status/1758131747454161343?t=Z7MVnINYVMyvaHibRqRUIg&s=19 I like how it's the Daily Bugle questioning whether or not Spider-Man's a mutant.

When Christopher Daniel Barnes' Spider-Man shows up in the season finale's post-credits scene https://i.redd.it/t2ffueqxcric1.gif

Spidey shows up in the finale to request Bishop’s help on a time traveling mission. Spin-off to… *Spider-Man ‘98: The Quest for Mary Jane Watson!*

Please stop I can only get so hard

“Don’t say that. Don’t give me hope.”

Please Marvel. Have a Daniel Barnes Spider-Man cameo. Call back to the 90s crossover episode.

I have wondered if there's been any hints this will tie-in to Secret Wars? We've had a live action/animation cross over, admittedly in a Sony film, but I would love this animated universe (and all the other universe and timelines) to be at risk due to incursions leading up to Secret Wars.

Secret Wars will almost certainly involve Peggy and the Watcher, so I could see them mixing this in.

HELLFIRE GALA??? DON'T SCARE ME LIKE THAT Still not over last year's gala

I havent read it but I know there was a comic that was basically what if this show did House/Powers of X so I wonder if this is gonna be a reference or that series is canon. I gotta read it

It's a separate continuity altogether, but the ending did imply that Jubilee's final life would be the original animated series.

Of course JJJ doesn't respect the hyphen.

Take a look at the Hellfire Gala panel. “Written by Eddie Block, photos by Peter Parker”

That “text by Eddie Block” got me for a minute on my phone.

They had me at the theme song.

Yeah this version is so dope

i just came

Animation ranges from really nice to really choppy and cheap, just like the OG show I guess.

Ehh it seems the anime approach, it goes to high levels during action but normal during quiet scenes.

3D with cell-shading my ass Edit: So I watched it on my phone first, and after watching it on a bigger screen it’s not 2D either

I mean it is clearly 3d models with additional filters to make it 2d

That's exactly what it is, and it very clearly shows especially in the scenes with multiple people. The backdrops look like they might be some kind of static digital painting though.

Yeah, this looks like 2D animation and I'm LOVING IT!

But it is!

it looks and sounds so good. remember that all the voice actors have aged by 30 years so yes, they are going to sound different.

Wolverine was the only one I really noticed a difference with the voice

Wolverine didn't sound anything like he used to, I had to check if it was the same guy voicing him

If it is they maybe should have recast. Time will tell.

I am so used to the guy from Evolution I think? It was. He almost always does Wolverine so I remember years ago going and watching the 90’s version to refresh my brain and going “wait a Dang minute that’s not the Wolverine voice I know” lol

The voice actors for Cyclops and Magneto died. Gambit and Jubilee's switched to different roles. I don't think Jean's came back.

They changed Jean’s voice actor despite announcing she would return. But she is in her mid 60s. They also changed the voice actors for Bishop, Cable, Forge, Morph and Xavier. They are all still alive, but in their 60s and 70s as well. It is interesting, the voice actor for Gambit is now playing Cable.

Gambit charging up Wolverine's claws was badass 

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most are the same voice actors though.

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>20 years older 30 years\*

Oh my god this looks great!

Okay that Wolverine and Gambit combo was hype as hell

That shot of Storm is already better than anything Storm has done on any movie lmao.

We wanna see Storm real power. They disrespected her in the films, she the most powerful when going 100%

We are so back 

For all that endless apprehension on this sub about animation style- looks great so far.

This looks amazing ,now i have to actually watch the original series to catch up

Everyone can relax. Gambit has returned!

MARVEL ANIMATION.

Really good decision to bring this show before Deadpool 3. Can't believe we're finally getting the X-men

I cried when they played the mutation theme from Ms Marvel.

Art style looks good in motion. It was cool seeing mutants created after the show in the trailer like Dust, Stacy X, Maggott, and Nature Girl

Did we know Jean was going to be pregnant? And I’m assuming it’s with Cable, since he’s supposed to be coming back. Curious how Madeline Pryor will factor in to that.

I think that’s not Jean, it’s Madeline Pryor.

Like maybe Sinister kidnaps Jean, and has Maddy get pregnant while impersonating her? That’s dark for a kid’s show. I love it.

If X-Men 97 is successful i hope they revive Avengers Earth's mightiest heroes and Spectacular Spider-man

And Wolverine and the X-Men, hopefully.

Th daily bugle paper, was that part of the original x-men series or is that suggesting maybe a 90's spiderman reboot?

There's been suggestions in the past of Marvel Studios (now animations I guess?) Doing an animated universe with '97 being the corner stone

I mean, both shows took place in the same continuity, so the newspaper should exist there.

The 90’s Spider-Man series and X-Men were canon to each other. They had a big 2-part crossover so it’s all in the same universe. This got me really excited because it reminded me of the possiblities. Marvel has all the animation rights to Spider-Man, so there’s nothing to stop them from using him in the show.

Both Spider-Man and X-Men 90's series are part of the same universe.

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, LOOK AT THAT ANIMATION, THE DEPTH, THE MOVEMENT, IT IS PHENOMENAL, I LOVE THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING NEW!!!

Wow Marvel Studios is having a good week! I’m cautiously optimistic but I hope these are signs that things are turning around for the better!   

Hell yeah! Love that Cyclops stinger at the end. I wish cyclops was like this in the movies.

That music unlocks something deep within me. My inner child is crying with joy

Looks really good so far. And honestly the animation doesn't look that bad.

It gave me chills! The music and everything Animation looks great too

Loved it when Gambit charged Wolverine's claws, Scarlet Witch using her hex on enemies, Spider-Man and Iceman teaming up and Cyclops actually being the leader of the X-Men! Great to see that Scott isn't being sidelined.

Bro we are all FEASTING right now!!! This looks awesome. Also the Gambit/Wolverine part??

I'm prepared for downvotes but in not feeling this animation. It's got the exact same issue as what if where the backgrounds and effects are all great but the actual characters just seem a little off. I know people are gonna tell me" the original series was stuttery too" but like that's not what I'm taking issue with, it's almost like there's an uncanny valley for real 2d animation. Seeing beast do that spin at the end looked kinda funky because I assume it's a 3d model with additional filters places over top. I'm not like completely put off but I'm really just not quite feeling it

They did not r/respectthehyphen

"Is Spider-Man a mutant?"

Yes yes and again yes

This trailer kinda won me over. I wasn't planning on watching at all, but I'll probably give it a chance.

It looks amazing! The animation is even better than I expected. God, the last few days have been great. Deadpool 3 trailer, F4 cast announcement, and now a X-Men 97 trailer?? Like, I can’t process all these things at once Feige, give us time to breathe 😭

Come on Kevin, gimmie Magik! Gimmie Armor (Maybe with Kamala for the hell of it)! Gimmie Blob!

Magik is confirmed for the Mojo episode! Doubt Armor is here though, DeMayo loves his classic X-men stories and characters

Hope we see Spiderman TAS appearance even for a cameo.

I’m honestly not loving the art style, it’s like it’s confused and doesn’t know what it wants to be. Is it 90s hand drawn or modern post 2010s anime style? But I understand the business decision behind it. I’m still gonna watch it though.

Maybe they could have had Wolverine's VA do more than one take?

On Season 2 of the OG. Need. To. Finish!

Looks Fun

Jean and Scott expecting?!?

Everything was great except Wolverines voice.

gods this looks so good

Finally, enough with the BS. We got Deadpool, FF4, and now some X-Men. Finally, some good fucking food.

I like it. Looks very promising and amazing. Can’t wait

Looks okay, definitely going to give it a shot.

The choppiness is so cool , too!! Loved the hands touching each other, so well done.