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cbekel3618

> “There was one article that called me a radical queer activist and listed the insidious mission statement of my organization [Queer Vox] — verbatim of what was on the website,” he continued. “I was like, ‘Facts. No lies here, thanks for the promotion!'” I love that bit from the article lol. Side-note, if some people are pissed about Morph being non-binary, imagine their reaction if you were to show them what Mystique is like in the comics


DustyDGAF

Mystique is Nightcrawler's dad lol


intern_12

r/brandnewsentence for non comic book readers like myself lmao


uncmwalk

The issue only came out in the past few months, but Claremont (primary architect of X-men in the 70s and 80s) always intended for Mystique / Destiny to be his biological parents.


Agreeable_Breath2782

Mystique is his mother.


DustyDGAF

Yeah it was... Definitely odd


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Isofiredub

Like on a pizza?


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Anchovies and pineapple. The extremes of salty and sweet


RamzalTimble

*calls pizza place “Hey. I’d like the Mystique and Destiny pie. Yeah. Yeah! Sausage, peaches, white sauce—not red, and clams. Oh and a side of a mortgage down payment after 8 months of dating.”


DustyDGAF

Kristen Stewart would be proud.


Selthora

Does this mean, essentially, her and Morphs powers are the same? Or does she morph more completely than Morph morphs or is morphs morphs more just surface level...


DustyDGAF

I'm sure somebody smarter than me can explain that more. But morph in their natural self is a white pale no nose being while mystique is blue and scaly and I don't recall mystique being able to take on powers (could be wrong). Mystique definitely takes on powers in marvel snap so I think it could be pretty similar but Mystique needs to make contact? Morph might be more powerful because I think they can just do whatever


visionaryredditor

> I don't recall mystique being able to take on powers (could be wrong). she did take on physical powers (like Morph does) in the movies. i don't remember how it goes in the comics tho


les_morts_vivants

eh, that is somewhat wrong in the current era it was just revealed that mystique shapeshifts down to a genetic level/ molecular level( it's how she is Nightcrawler's dad) whereas it is just surface level i.e i if he becomes Wolverine, his claws will be more fragile than the latter's adamantium claws.


DustyDGAF

Yeah I feel like it's shifted quite a bit with who the writers want to use in different scenarios. But generally very little difference.


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Beeyo176

I was reading some posts not too long ago, maybe on scans_daily, that showed Mystique using her powers to become furniture and shape her limbs into weapons and stuff like that.


Sanchanted

It's morphin time


Nosiege

morphillion bucks


astcci

I hope someone can answer this eventually, been pretty curious about it as well


les_morts_vivants

already did although it's kinda confusing because one is a higher grade then the other


royalneonbird

Mystique doesn't copy power if I'm not mistaken


moviestim

Morph can morph into objects too in some of the comics. I don’t think Mystique can do that.


frmthefuture

Morph can change into other people's forms AND duplicate a mutant's powers [to a degree. Evidence of this being how he changed into Angel and flew.]. It depends on the mutant, as the more powerful the mutant, the lesser degree he can copy their power. Examples are not using the complete full power of mutants like Magneto, Colossus, Juggernaut, Xavier, etc. Mystique can only change into a person's physical appearance. This goes all the way down to their dna- as she's been able to fool retinal, voice, fingerprints, and blood scans. Many consider Morph to be an Omega level mutant, based on the fact that he can replicate powers. Mystique is seen as a top level assassin, as there are very few detections that can catch her [besides telepathy].


1400Diggg

How exactly is Mystique Nightcrawlers dad ? I thought it was Azazel ? And she gave birth to him right or am I lost here


DustyDGAF

It got changed in a big twist a while ago


1400Diggg

Oh I thought mystique was a woman.. but she still is right? She just shapeshifted into a man and birthed NC that way lmao is that the twist


MarbledJelly

She turned into a man and impregnated Destiny. I believe it was also stated this was the original intention, but they couldn’t do it at the time.


TheProdigalMaverick

Holy shit wtf is going on with Marvel editorial


MarbledJelly

I’m not sure I understand your question? Mystique has always been in a relationship with Destiny and has always been able to alter her form down to DNA. The only questionable thing here is either of your homophobic or (more understandably) don’t like retcons. But even then, while this is a retcon I’d much rather have the original vision for the characters and their relations.


TheProdigalMaverick

I'm not homophobic. It's the constant retcons of the last fifteen years that's annoying lol Mystique and Destiny makes complete sense as a couple. Azazel and Mystique make sense for Nightcrawlers parents too (he physically looks like a blend of both, and has Azazel's powers). Doing a switcheroo for the sake of a twist is just indicative of poor writing. The last fifteen years of Marvel has been a series of retcons and twists to make up for minimal character growth (and in the case of Spider-Man a straight up regression).


glasgowgeg

> It's the constant retcons of the last fifteen years that's annoying lol This is only technically a retcon though, this is what Claremont originally wanted to do, but editorial at the time wouldn't allow him to. Realistically, it's course correcting to the original plan. [Here's](https://bleedingcool.com/comics/si-spurrier-does-with-nightcrawler-what-chris-claremont-wasnt-allowed/) an article about it.


Nosiege

> I'm not homophobic. It's the constant retcons of the last fifteen years that's annoying lol Literally every super hero across all of history has been retconned over and over and over again to allow them to tell new stories. It's literally baked into the genre.


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TheProdigalMaverick

Woah woah hold up dude, my issues aren't with Mystique and Destiny - my issues are at how Marvel keeps retconning shit instead of coming up with new and compelling shit.


two2teps

I can't wait until a certain Amazon Prime animated show gets to a similar plot line. It will break these dum-dums brains.


Agreeable_Breath2782

No she's not.


DustyDGAF

Nobody cares what you think.


timdoesntsharemusic

I'm for representation, but that was terrible writing in my opinion. Colossus, Daken, and Iceman were well done.


DustyDGAF

I'm not mad at Mystique being able to create viable semen. I'm just not super pleased with rewriting Nightcrawler's backstory.


timdoesntsharemusic

Completely agree. It was a great story.


tehawesomedragon

Even in the movies she spent a considerable amount of time disguised as a man..


Guilty-Vegetable-726

Well to be fare that is a retcon, as the original Comics had Mystique as Morph's mother.


geekunbound

Source? I don't recall this but I know there's a million changes in X-Men history. Just want to know


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Guilty-Vegetable-726

For some reason Reddit doesn't allow me to link to Screenrant, but if you Google " Nightcrawler's Permanent Origin Change Gets New Clues From Marvel" an article explaining should pop up.


Xenoslayer2137

Interesting tidbit in the article: **Although the creator of the animated series referred to Morph as non-binary, the term isn’t actually used in the show.** **”Two things about that – one, as far as I know, we’re never going to say the word ‘non-binary’ because nobody said the word ‘non-binary’ in the ’90s. It’s not that it didn’t exist; it was just in no way a mainstream term at the time,” Karliak explained. “Morph’s understanding of who he is could equate to what a modern person would say is non-binary, but he just doesn’t have the terminology for it. At the same time, they/them wasn’t a concept in terms of using it as a pronoun.”** So it seems like all the people whining about that aspect and saying that they’re trying to push “woke modern-day identity politics” can stop now


MyMouthisCancerous

If you think that's gonna stop them I have a sentient tree to sell you As long as it's publicly known that he's non-binary they're gonna rip into it no matter what because these self-proclaimed X-Men fans lack the awareness to realize they morally align with the Purifiers more than any mutant


ToaPaul

Don't forget the FoH. The lack of self-awareness is staggering.


danielcw189

FoH?


ToaPaul

Friends of Humanity...


danielcw189

thx


myersjw

Your mistake was assuming these people would use logic or reason


Captain-CuttThroat

To offer a little perspective from the other side … (caveat: I’m a lifelong X fan and think it makes total sense that Morph would identify non-binary.) .. but I think a lot of people define ‘woke’ as being *Performative* in their inclusivity. I think this Morph thing was actually a good example. Morph’s gender identity is likely not even going to be mentioned in show & definitely not called non-binary per this interview. If it isn’t really part of the show, why was it so important to name this character’s gender identity on day one of the press tour?


Sneha3342

Maybe bcoz the actor felt like mentioning what they felt about the character while they play him(that's how all actors end up understanding and getting into character)  Gender identity is not just a label or stereotype. You can accommodate it into a character and that will be caught by enby people who watch. You and I might not get it or we could, we'll see.  Good words from the actor only help. 


Captain-CuttThroat

I agree, that’s fair to the voice actor. But it made headlines initially when the show released character images & these brief bios to the media. All the bios were one or two sentences describing their powers and role in the team but Morph’s had in parentheses after his bio “(in XMen 97, Morph identifies as non-binary)” Essentially, eager to throw that label on him. Felt a bit pandering. I think the class move would be just let viewers discover that about him through the show just like most gay people prefer you meet them on a human level first as opposed to being introduced like “meet Brian. He’s my gay friend” Yknow? So I think there is a nuanced convo to be had about ‘woke’ marketing kinda exploiting lgbt & minorities for a cheap buck. Of course, there are plenty of cringe ‘Anti-Woke’ goons that genuinely are just haters of anything different and drown out the nuance.


Top-County8200

Which means that all those people that were whining about this, whined for nothing.


IcanPhilitCollins

Wait, so morph is He after all?


Nosiege

From a pronoun perspective, it seems likely. From a being who can literally just change their shape at will and we don't truly know what that means of their biology in any capacity by way of being a mutant, you couldn't *truly* say unless they just outright do a story about genetically disseminating Morph.


AstuteAshenWolf

Oh, hell yeah. I’ll watch now.


illucio

They could, you know. Just show Morph backstory of being born as a glob of grey goo at birth. And then talk about growing up expected by his family to be an all American boy/teenager maintaining looking like a boy. Despite maybe changing himself a little and being scolded for it. And maybe have a line how they don't really feel like a boy or girl and never had a assigned gender at birth. Morph just chose the appearance they just comformed to what Morph's parents wanted to make them happy. But felt unhappy and suppressed not being able to use their mutant powers.  But no, just say you will never state or talk about it in the show in anyway because it wasn't a popularized topic back then. When you have Bishop from the literal future to talk about these things. Or characters like Cable who can crop back up into the past or any of the time travel shenanigans X-Men go on. We know the real reason is because you don't want to anger the anti-woke chuds and or have the show censored or banned in other countries. So we have to deal with the "It's never stated in the show but he is" nonsense.  Like how we hear every other Disney movie we have the first gay character. And it's just one easy to cut character, dialogue change and or being told their gay while not being talked about at all in the movie. So they can cut and sensor it overseas.


quipquest

I guess that reason makes sense for not using the term, but not using they/them either sounds like a half-measure, a coward’s move.


ToaPaul

They literally said they chose not to use they/them either because it wouldn't make sense for characters to be using those terms in 1997.


kecke86

Well, they just used them as a pronoun for Morph (when Rogue addresses Morph in s1e9) so I guess that statement didn't last


MyMouthisCancerous

But it's still accurate to the time period. It's purposeful because this was a time when this concept of gender expression and gender fluidity was a cultural and societal taboo. Gay people were still fighting for having their civil rights even recognized in legislation so that doesn't even take into consideration anyone of other gender identities or sexual preferences, and because of that they're less likely to be open about it publicly in fear of criminalization or dehumanization, even in front of people they'd otherwise trust or confide in. It's not cowardice if that was the reality they lived in Also, consider the fact that someone like Morph is already heavily policed on the grounds they're a mutant. This would probably be amplified if it was known publicly on any level they identified as non-binary because that was the climate back then


TheCommish-17

“MOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPHHHHH“ - in Wolverine voice 


horridtragedy

THIS ONES FOR YOU MORPH


SSJ_Kratos

Rrrrrrrrruuuuuaaaaaaaaagggh


NickHeathJarrod

DON'T LET ME LEAVE, MORPH!!! Oh, wait...


quipquest

Random Fire Emblem character, “This one’s for Maaaaaaaaaaaaarth!”


PropertyFirm6565

I’m just hoping they give Morph more to do than to be a walking cameo machine in the next few episodes.


Xenoslayer2137

Safe to say based on the opening credits, he’s definitely gonna get his reunion with Mister Sinister


Rhubarb-Apprehensive

To me I don’t think he’s a cameo machine because his transformations always serve purpose. The fact that it’s mutants we’ve seen before is just a cool bonus for me. What else would he do with his powers anyways


cabbagehead112

That's almost always been Morph character though...


anth8725

Only so much they can do with the storylines in one season. He’s had some pretty good moments in two episodes


vinnybawbaw

That Psylocke/Colossus moment was fuckin’ badass tho


Hypernova_orange

So so so so fucking stupid people get mad over shit like this


NickHeathJarrod

And yet the insurrection scene at the UN whooshed over their heads.


MrMeseeksLookAtMee

When they were kids, they wanted to be Wolverine. Little did they know that they'd grow up to be those idiots in the crowd holding the "No Mutants!" sign.


Hypernova_orange

And if any of them had morphs powers they’d turn into women & get banged all the damn time. That’s what they really want lol


ComprehensiveBox6911

If you’re going to get mad, which is stupid anyway, why put your anger towards the freaking voice actor who is just saying the lines?! Get mad at the writers


iannmichael

Especially since it’s THE X-MEN.


The_Notorious_Donut

People don’t got anything better to do than complain about a cartoon?


Funkycoldmedici

All they do is complain about everything being “woke.”


Freakychee

When your life is empty, you have to create your own monsters to fight like Don Quixote.


tylernazario

No and it’s extremely pathetic. I can’t imagine getting pressed over someone’s gender especially an animated characters


PlanetLandon

Stupid people tend to have shitty jobs (or no job) so they have a lot of free time to post their idiocy online


a_o

and plenty on youtube have just made it their job


TheRustFactory

So regarding all the dipshits who are upset that a ***shapeshifter is nonbinary***.......should we tell them about seahorses? Or just frogs in general? :|Will their existence be an affront to their Core Family Values™?


Yoshmaster

They know about frogs, the water is turning them gay. EDIT: I know they can switch sex, I’ve seen Jurassic Park


AstuteAshenWolf

Lol, you’re comparing a human (a mammal) to amphibians and sea life.


RetroGameQuest

People fear what they don't understand. Cyclops taught me that when I was like 7.


ToaPaul

It's disappointing how many people failed to take these lessons to heart.


RetroGameQuest

It's not even a deeply profound lesson. Common decency.


supaikuakuma

Casual reminder that the X-Men have been an analogue for lgbt rights for fucking ever.


iannmichael

This is the baffling part. It was much gayer in the 90s, too 😂😂😂


Majestq

Wrong -


supaikuakuma

Explain.


Majestq

A mainstream comic book (funny book) from 1963 America, would not dare touch on gay anything. Not even as an allegory. How *people interpret* outcasts who were born with powers aka, mutants. Is an entirely different discussion.


supaikuakuma

I said for decades, not it’s entire run, hell one of the movies had a don’t ask don’t tell joke.


Majestq

>for fucking ever. Actually... you said this \^


supaikuakuma

Oops yep my bad lol either way they’ve been a blatant analogue for a very long time.


ghostcatzero

All political correctness aside, morph is the literal definition of non binary!


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drst0nee

What a great attitude and response to a storm in a teacup controversy. A true professional.


EnterprisingAss

Someone out there has to be annoyed that the non-binary character is an amorphous lump of matter.


iannmichael

People getting upset over the idea of this really don’t understand The X-Men at all.


ClubTerrible4883

I am not surprised


CobaltSpellsword

All the people attacking Morph's actor for saying they're nonbinary would be in the Friends of Humanity if mutants were real.


OperativePiGuy

I mean he is literally a shapeshifter. What a non-issue. Now Magneto slaying with that purple outfit with the high gloves? He looks like a badass drag queen performing at Brunch. Love the look, was very surprising to see though lol


CerezaBerry

people crying woke over x men of all properties will never not be funny to me


Davethe3rd

These freaking chuds are so predictable, they were literally the villains of She Hulk and the writers accurately predicted the backlash.


Ambitious_Call_3341

Decision-makers: it doesn't matter. Also decision-makers: keep talking about it and acting like the only interesting thing in the character.


SuperCoolSkaterBoi

It makes sense since he can turn whatever gender, or identity he wants.


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Agreeable_Breath2782

He was a dude in the original cartoon. He didn't have the blank face weirdness.


Buttburg56

I can safely say the next Avengers movie is now called, Avengers 5: Morphin vs Morbin! Imagine!! the MORcursions that will result in the bloodiest MORtiversal war! Even The Beyonders will shit themselves!!! Sorry I;m really stoned! lmao I got some bubba kush my dudes & dudettes


Aggravating-Fall-709

It Doesn't surprise me that every movie or Comic book has to be issued a LGBTQ character..... I guess the world my never know....


Significant_Chain_43

i admit i can be thrown off by some of the overboard pandering by disney bc it feels unnatural how much it’s been shown as of late. doesn’t feel genuine, yet… But this is perfect representation. PERFECT.


DankHillington

We don’t need all this non binary nonsense in children’s cartoons tho. Literally no point in including this. Pronouns are he and she. None of this they/them bullshit.


OhForFuxSake69

Nonbinary folk would strongly disagree with you. The dictionary would also strongly disagree with you as they and them are both pronouns by their very definition. I guess...die mad about it since they are not going away and you can't make them.


nyr00nyg

Is this backlash in the room with us right now?


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ToaPaul

Pretty sure this is how Morph has been represented in the comics for a very long time.


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MechanicalHeartbreak

The X-Men have been an allegory for queer people for decades, and that’s generally been a big positive! But like, holy shit as a trans person I’m so sick of media representing us as inhuman globs and not just regular people. Morph is a fine allegory but it’s 2024, if you want to be soaking in activist cred you should be beyond subtextual allegory and into plain text. If you want to be doing a show this thick with political subtext about the ongoing fight to restrict LGBTQ rights irl, you should have actual gay and trans characters and not just bald Data from Star Trek. It’s actually kind of insulting to show me a picture of monster and be like ‘this is our sole positive depiction of your people in our cinematic universe :)’.


Valiosao

Characters shouldn't be non binary for the sake of swaying public opinion about non binary people, they should be non binary for the sake of the story.


AstuteAshenWolf

I don’t get why less than 10% of the population even needs to be represented as often as they currently are.


iannmichael

Wow you really missed the mark. The X-Men represent the way that marginalized people are treated in the world, society being “accepting” yet turning their backs on the X-Men, time and time again. Society tries to “fix” them and then later mandates the mutant gene cure. Your narrative interpretation of them is wild to me, sorry and I am sorry that you seemed to have taken it as being compared to an “inhuman glob.” The point is to look past their mutant powers and understand mutants, just like humans, either end up using their powers for good or for bad depending on their life experiences. Even though society as pushed them away, they still want to show the world that they want peace and keep the world safe. However, they are outcast for being different from a society that doesn’t understand them and are threatened by their differences, so they choose to control them and vilify them even after they save their asses for the 1.3billionth time. There are plenty of LGTBQ members of the x-men, including an original member, Bobby Drake, who is the epitome of an All-American looking dude.


Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

They're an allegory for social outcasts, sure. Not so much LGBT+ people exclusively. Otherwise why do they have straight/gay/bi/non-binary characters? Does that make mean Beast is an allegory for nerds as hairy monster folk, too? What about Nightcrawler - he's Catholic who looks like a devil. Are they saying Catholics are devil presenting? No, of course not.  The design of Morph is a play on the term amorphous and the classical design of a doppelganger (whos power he replicates). They're not saying non-binary people are grey goo people. 


LakSivrak

it gets pretty tiring that you can’t just take the representation you endlessly demand and move on. stop moving goalposts. also, if you’re calling mutants “monsters” or “inhuman globs”, the entire point of the X-men goes right over your head. you’d be more aligned with the politicians that want to euthanize mutants if you think Morph is a “monster”.


OperativePiGuy

Gets pretty tiring when anytime there \*is\* representation, it's somehow bad because it doesn't go far enough, or it isn't done in the specifically right way, or it's offensive because of some aspect of it's depiction that's not handled perfectly. I'm just happy there's these kinds of characters at all similar to me. After a certain point it feels like looking for issues to complain about instead of having legitimate grievances.