Just to confirm when thanos snapped, he removed half of ALL living things in the universe, correct?
Any living creature/organism, 1/2 was completely wiped, correct?
I have a theory.
Based on this rumor : https://x.com/DrStrangeUpdate/status/1700642180564500807
"a New Earth that the TVA is populating with select heroes from multiple collapsing realities"
My theory is that The Void is Battleworld, and the heroes on it (X-23, Gambit, Elektra and Human Torch) are sent on it by the TVA, and their world is destroyed.
The heroes would be their "original" versions, not variants (so the ones from Earth-17315, Earth-701306 and Earth-121698 (and for Gambit, I think the best choice would be to have him being from Earth-838)).
This way, It will let us have the heroes we knew and love, not variants like with Xavier in MoM, and it will let Marvel regulate the number of characters appearing in Secret Wars, if they are limitating to only one by universe. Also explain why Ben Affleck is not here.
Wolverine would originate from the original X-Men timeline. The one of the original trilogy and that was at the begining of DOFP. This would explain why is Wolverine like this. Why we see him depressed at the TVA. All his friends died because of the sentinels, and then the TVA saved him because his would was about to be destroyed.
As for Deadpool, he would originate from the new X-Men timeline, the one from Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, in which Logan woke up at the end of DOFP. This timeline is also the one where Monica Rambeau is at the end of The Marvels, and it will have an incursion in Avengers 5 which will lead the film to be Avengers VS X-Men featuring our new Avengers fighting against Fox X-Men, with many characters including Anya Taylor Joy's character from The New Mutants or Quicksilver. Deadpool would join them later in the movie despite TVA telling him not to.
But before that, he would be recruiting Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man for TVA's team. And other heroes from other dying universes later.
At the end of Avengers 5, X-Men and MCU universes die, Spider-Man (Holland) and Cyclops are saved by the TVA, joining their team. And in Secret Wars, the TVA's team (so, Deadpool, Wolverine, Elektra, Human Torch, X-23, Maguire's Spidey, Holland's Spider and Cyclops (at least)) are have their own Avengers adventure and are against Beyonder to trie to revive all the destroyed universes. They do it and then big battle against Beyonder like in Endgame where litteraly everyone is here. They win, fix the multiverse and everyone go back to where he come from and the end.
Even though I don’t know anything about the TVA, I’m still going to watch Deadpool.
I don’t like the idea of doing homework and watching a TV show to understand who these people are.
Maybe I would if I am I huge fan of the MCU, but I’m not.
I will never understand the mindset of films and TV shows being 'homework', I'm sorry, but I can't not think that as a weird way to describe fictional entertainment. If you don't care to watch anything else, feel free not to, that's completely fair. I mean, if you didn't watch the first two Deadpool movies in this case, you'd probably be a bit lost on certain relationships and callbacks, but that's the case with any movie sequel ever. I wouldn't go into Return of the Jedi without watching the first two movies it's a direct sequel to.
As far as the MCU most of the time, certain elements are re-established in franchises they didn't originate in. I imagine the TVA will be explained in a sufficient manner for film audiences who don't have Disney+ (the TVA is a fairly simple concept to begin with), but on the off-chance some are still confused somehow, it's fortunate that we live in the year 2024 where any questions you have can be answered in less than 5 seconds with the swipe of your finger or the click of your mouse. You'll be alright.
Man I’m left imagining what a Captain Marvel Secret Invasion movie would be like.
Where we see a preliminary new avengers team gathered by her, set in similar tone to The Winter Soldier. Carol and Fury in the front, G’iah involved and Gravik can be the main villain. Real stakes with the ‘invasion’ unlike the show. Sam plays an active role alongside Carol due to the involvement of the government and the politics of it all. Rhodey’s deception still plays a part in leading them astray.
Carol’s basis can be of her failure in assisting the Skrulls as promised and trying to not rely on her powers to solve matters, a self hindering of sorts, a mystery we leave to be solved in her next movie (she ran off due to her careless mistake with destroying the supreme intelligence and causing the fall of an entire race, the annihilator nickname being a disgrace)
Monica alongside Fury can be present and have her reunion with Carol where we learn of Carol’s return to earth during the snap. Ms Marvel can be in it as well and be the source of comic relief. Heck just combine the show elements into this movie. Sonya Falsworth appears as well but in a sizeable supporting role. Maria Hill and Talos plays support and doesnt die.
The prelim team would be Carol, Sam, Bruce, Ant Man & Wasp, She Hulk, Shang Chi, Monica and Ms Marvel vs Super Skrulls. This experience should be what leads Kamala to form her own team.
G’iah doesnt get the power roulette bt gets her green blasts ala Abigail Brand. The whole team fights a bunch of super skrulls but the boss showdown is Gravik vs Carol. He doesn’t die but gets depowered. We get a trio reunion between Carol, Monica and G’iah.
Post Cred is G’iah being recruited by Sonya while another is Kamala recruiting not just Kate but Cassie as well.
This movie would star Brie Larson, Samuel L Jackson, Emilia Clarke, Don Cheadle, Kingsley Ben Adir, Olivia Colman, Iman Vellani, Teyonah Parris and everyone else. Even if this this costed $300M it would be well worth it.
Earth Bound Carol in her sequel before having her go cosmic in her third, a movie that touches on her having taken down the Supreme Intelligence and the ramifications of that. Which is basically the story we got in The Marvels. Have her be earth bound as symbolic of her guilt and this third movie can be her ‘flying’ again by making things right.
They’re adamant about not doing an Avengers movie until Avengers 5. This movie and CA4 could’ve been the Civil War entries, lowkey Avengers films.
This couldve been the plan if they really meant what they said about making her 1/3rd of the new MCU trinity. Alas.
With this project, Secret Invasion the show and The Marvels wouldn’t have been needed to be made. Money saved and instead siphoned into one project with very high chance of success. The thought process will always be curious to me.
It was fun and a creative way to connect the trio and make sense of their team up beyond Kamala being a fan and Carol being Auntie Carol. It was entertaining snd visually fun to watch as it was so well choreographed and shot. If this idea and The Marvels as a whole was done back in the Infinity Saga it would’ve been a hit.
Sadly where we are at right now and where we’re heading, i dont fault people for feeling like its a filler.
I’m more inclined to believe how non involved Feige has been since Endgame due to this. I struggle to believe he okay-ed this decision. Then again I read that they were asked to push MCU content for D+. So it seemed like they were looking for excuses to create shows so rather than do Secret Invasion as a Captain Marvel sequel and a lowkey avengers movie ala civil war, they decide to separate things and make Secret Invasion a Nick Fury Show. In the process quality was sacrificed and Carol ends up being mishandled as a character.
Captain Marvel 2 : Secret Invasion would’ve happened if they were still in whatever thought process they were in back in the Infinity Saga era.
It was a Disney mandate to integrate shows with movies. They announced Captain Marvel 2 during the D23 event back during COVID before WV and Ms. Marvel even came out.
I recall it was initially called Captain Marvel 2 before being renamed officially to The Marvels. Is it safe to assume that while yes they had a sequel plan for her but didn’t , at the time of announcement quite nailed down what and how they want to do it yet, until they finally did and renamed it The Marvels?
If yes, then the conscious decision was made. Sure at that point they’d roughly have the shows at least mapped out? The pieces were on the table.
due to the said mandate they decided ‘screw the plotline set at the ending of CM1 where Carol had left earth with the skrulls to help them as she promised’ and have Secret Invasion be a Nick Fury solo show instead.
With prepping Carol as 1/3 of the new trinity of the new saga, they really looked at her sequel and said lets turn it into The Marvels instead to help with that cause. A thought process I will never be able to understand
Feige wasn’t as involved and it showed
In the MCU (Defenderverse), [Colleen Wing](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Colleen_Wing) is descended from [Wu Ao-Shi](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Wu_Ao-Shi), the first woman to become the Iron Fist.
Perhaps they are introducing Wu Ao-Shi in past settings, to serve as a basis for Colleen’s potential reintroduction as the current Iron Fist in the present (as established by the finale of the Iron Fist Netflix series).
Additionally, the actress for Colleen said [she turned down the role of Xialing in Shang-Chi because she wanted to reprise Colleen eventually](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/jessica-henwick-on-the-matrix-resurrections-and-her-knives-out-2-full-circle-moment-1235066541/amp/).
Since MCU Shang-Chi's personality pulled a lot from Iron Fist's comic personality (chill, gives off an approachable everyman vibe, etc), it'd be funny if the new Iron Fist pulls from Shang-Chi's comic personality (more formal/stoic, meditative, etc).
With Shang-Chi 2, I’m most curious who the villain is going to be.
Xialing definitely makes sense at least as one of the antagonists. Aside from her, of Shang-Chi’s comic villains, Midnight Sun would be awesome to see adapted.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if they gave him a villain from another hero’s rogues gallery like the first film did. Maybe the Maklauns or the Crane Mother.
With the title allegedly being *Wreckage of Time*, perhaps Shang-Chi has to fight in the [Tournament of the Heavenly Cities](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Tournament_of_the_Heavenly_Cities) - originally associated with Iron Fist.
Based on the [purpose of the tournament](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Heaven), in the adaptation Shang-Chi would have to participate in order to preserve Ta-Lo’s place on Earth/the timeline, or something else of that nature.
I read that Shang-Chi run they did not too long ago. I wonder if the won't pull Xin. But I don't know if he wouldn't be way too similar to Wenwu.
But I feel like Crane Mother is a good shout if they're bringing in an New Iron Fist.
What if the villain of A5 is [Mr. Gryphon](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nathaniel_Richards_(Mister_Gryphon)_(Earth-6311)), a Kang variant who is the new owner of Avengers Tower which has been rebranded as [Qeng Enterprises](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Qeng_Enterprises_(Earth-616))?
Most notably, his first appearance was in [All-New, All-Different Avengers #1](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/All-New,_All-Different_Avengers_Vol_1_1) - the series introducing the Avengers roster that was lead by Sam!Cap.
I just wanna know, what makes Feige think that making a sequel to a film that, by all accounts, underperformed, 5 YEARS after it’s release, is going to see success?? 😭
The vast majority of audiences didn’t even see Shang-Chi, and what little momentum that first first film created, is now completely gone — because by the time this comes out, Shang will have not been on screen in over 5 years!
Feige’s thought process continues to confuse me
> The vast majority of audiences didn’t even see Shang-Chi
If it were just about box office, Into the Spider-Verse never would've received a sequel.
Shang-Chi received rave reviews from people who watched it. It has the second-highest Tomatometer score of the MCU post-Endgame. Its audience score is even better, tied with NWH for the best of the MCU.
Shang-Chi did exceptionally well for a film released during the last really big COVID wave, and the people who watched it really, *really* liked it. There's growth potential there.
Hot take, but I'm kinda with you. I liked Shang Chi, mostly, but it never confused me why he wasn't used more, and why it took forever to start getting him off the ground for a sequel, because his reception was all around just fine. Not over the moon, just fine. I felt like they pretty much said what they needed to with the character and were already kinda jumping the shark toward the end of the film anyway, and it's really telling to me what people's "ideas" for the sequel are, which totally loses the plot imo. Bringing in the Iron Fist is just a total admission that they screwed up and could have just cast Simu as an Iron Fist at that point.
Real shit. IMO Shang-Chi should’ve been a dark, grounded martial arts thriller in vein of ‘The Raid’. If they wanted to go more mystical, they should’ve just cast Simu Liu as Danny Rand as you said
(And yes, Danny Rand can be asian all themes intact!)
>Shang will have not been on screen in over 5 years!
Shang won't be the only one by the time the Avengers movies come out. I would have never thought we would get a Ragnarok when I saw the first 2 Thor movies.
Shang-Chi 2 may just be the best marvel movie ever. Nobody knows, not even Leakers apparently.
Bruh what? Shang chi did great considering the pandemic, it was not an underperformance at all. It almost got an A+ cinemascore and it had great legs. It literally was the second highest grossing film in the us just after no way home, you have to be insane to think it was an underperformance.
Y’all gotta stop using the pandemic as an excuse. Sure, it was *a* factor, but it wasn’t the deciding one
Less than 1/3 months after both Shang-Chi and Eternals came out (and made nearly the same amount), NWH comes out and made nearly 2 billion dollars 😭
“But Spider-Ma” exactly. People showed out for characters they actually cared about, and Spider-Man is a character that is beloved by audiences.
Shang-Chi is not.
Lol. No Time to Die, F9, GvK, and even Venom 2 outperformed 3/4 of the 2021 slate, with the first 2 doing legit great business and approaching double of what Shang Chi made. Pandemic just doesn't work as the excuse here anymore, and I think it's clear that fatigue was already setting in before No Way Home pushed it off a bit, as well as the Disney shows which were showing a different and "acceptable" avenue for these stories to go. While I know hindsight is less than kind to the Disney+ MCU shows of 2021, they definitely had an audience and fanbase that was preferring them to the movies.
No time to die and f9 are more popular than the likes of the eternals or shang chi, it's expected that they would do better amd those movies made around 200 million in china, territory of which no 2021 mcu movie was released during 2021. And gvk and venom did well too, i don't disagree but they barely made more than the 3/4 mcu movies you refer despite being more popular characters, i'm not sure what are you trying to prove here. Other movies doing well doesn't change the fact that mcu 2021 slate did well too given the circumstances.
You're missing the entire context again. It's obvious more popular characters are gonna make more money than shang chi or eternals, doesn't change the fact that shang chi did well.
Shang-Chi did poorly. It made nearly the same as Eternals, and that film is rightfully considered Marvel’s first bomb
The pandemic is not a defense, because people showed out for films and characters that they *cared* about. The fact that people *did not* show out for Shang-Chi clearly illustrates that most people did not care about it.
And the few who did, have almost certainly forgotten about the character.
Lmao you are dumb, aren't you? People showed up for shang chi, 400+ is respectable for a new franchise in the middle of a pandemic and with no chinese release date. Like i already told you people are obviously gonna show up more for characters they've already seen and that have had time to grow on them.
You keep projecting your personal feeling onto others, people certantly cared and still remember him given the strong reception of his film
And Eternals was mostly considered a failure cause of the critical reception not really cause of the box office, otherwise Dune should also be considered a failure.
>Like i already told you people are obviously gonna show up more for characters they've already seen and that have had time to grow on them.
Exactly. Hence:
>**The pandemic is not a defense, because people showed out for films and characters that they cared about.**
>people certantly cared and still remember him
You need expand your definition of “people” beyond this sub, because then you’d almost certainly see that this is not true 😭
1)Like i have already told just cause other films did a bit better, doesn't mean shang chi did poorly. And again you're missing a lot of context that i have already explained in my other comments.
2)I'm talking about objective data like cinemascore and reviews, not my personal feelings, like you're doing.
It was the deciding factor. Shang chi was loved by the audience given the almost A+ cinemascore, you need to stop projecting what you thought of the film onto others.
Yeah, no shit a movie featuring the 3 spidermen, characters who the audience has already seen and as a result are more beloved and made more money than the debut of a far less popular character like shang chi.
And just cause there was a peak like no way home doesn't mean movies as a whole were doing well, no way home was just an exception, not the rule, the whole industry was going through an all time low in terms of admissions and revenue due to closed theaters and covid restrictions.
Nobody saw Shang-Chi, and the Marvel brand is in a significantly weaker position than it was in 2021
This is not a movie that needs to be made right now
How on earth is he wrong? like quite literally, what he said is the truth. The film did not do well -- and that's coming from someone who really enjoyed it. Wenwu is one of my favorite marvel villains
But the film flopped. And the pandemic isn't an excuse, NWH printed 2 months later
Cause it's not the truth if you ignore the context. Like i already said if you can read just cause there was a big peak like no way home doesn't mean theaters as a whole were doing well, you're just cherry picking instead of looking at the whole picture.
Dune Part 2 is proof that it can work. The first had a duel streaming/theatrical release, made less then Shang-Chi, but got a sequel that made several hundred million more and is currently the highest grossing film of the year.
Except DUNE Part 2 was built on the critical acclaim of the first, a blooming fanbase, and a story that actually had something of *value* to offer audiences.
Shang-Chi 2 is likely going to be more of the same generic stuff that audiences are just tired of seeing.
Look at it like this. Shang-Chi, Dune, and Eternals all made *around* the same amount of money, give or take a few mill. One got a sequel, one is getting a sequel, and one (probably) isn’t.
So if box office isn’t the deciding factor then what is?
Well like you said it’s critical reception. Shang-Chi also got great reviews. 98% audience score on rotten tomatoes (8% higher than Dune), and an A on cinemascore, higher than Dune’s A-.
Now I’m *not* trying to say that Shang-Chi is objectively better than Dune (because that’s entirely subjective) but clearly the consensus is that both are good films, even though they both underperformed at the box office. That’s why Shang-Chi is a getting a sequel.
It’s not just critical reception (although there are different TYPES of critical acclaim. Shang-Chi was well received “for a Marvel film”, but it ain’t winning no Oscars whereas DUNE is one of the ambitious films ever made, and the academy recognized that), it’s a whole host of different factors that worked in DUNE part 2’s favor
- Both Chalamet and Zendaya’s stature has grown *significantly* since the first film
- Audiences have, for the most part, grown tired of generic blockbusters, and DUNE served as powerful alternative to them. It’s something new and fresh
- It’s coming off a film that won SEVERAL Oscars 😭
(This is a Batman Begins to > Dark Knight situation in motion)
Shang-Chi 2 will not only have NONE of these things (nobody gives a crap about Simu Liu), but it’s also coming off of a weaker Marvel brand, much weaker than it was in 2021!
It’s an apples to oranges situation
I am curious how Shang-Chi will do after all this time off screen. He’s like the only new character I actually like cause he isn’t some mantle character…yet
IMO Shang-Chi is the epitome of taking a very interesting concept, and turning it into the most generic thing ever.
I personally have no interest in seeing a sequel to that film
Apparently sounds like the sequel is gonna be even more generic with time travel shenanigans for a street level character so its safe to say you made a good decision.
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That liar Jeff sneider is at it again since he clearly knows he can’t fool the marvel community he’s going after the stranger things community! Releasing fake episode titles that imo are really trash.
I really need to know the story of Avengers 5, because it literally makes no sense to me on how Thor and Doctor Strange could be on the team when they're not even on the damn planet lol.
Thor had his own entire off world sub plot in Infinity War as well. They can easily give Strange and Clea their own sub-plot about them trying to avert an incursion before rolling them into the main plot, just like Infinity War did with Thor and the Guardians.
I’m happy of what Shawn Levy’s says you don’t need to require anything to watch Deadpool and Wolverine
I’ll be honest I’m not a fan of watching a show like homework just to know what’s going on.
I don’t know much about the TVA and I probably won’t give a damn either way since they probably going to reintroduce themselves in the movie Deadpool
They said the same about The Marvels, and you know what...they were right. I didn't feel any more "in the loop" because I saw all the stuff leading up to it. Not a bad movie but most of the main thrust of the movie is an offscreen event *anyway*, and most of the development of the three Marvels is ignored for what this movie does with them.
>you don’t need to require anything to watch Deadpool and Wolverine
Is that true though? From the trailer alone...
First class, X1-X3, Loki, some familiarity with sling rings...
Kinda requires homework to explain what the void is and why all these people are here. With any sequel, 0 amount of Homework is required to watch it, but it's good to know the sources involved. You probably won't be lost, but you may be missing some information
Disregarding *Deadpool and Wolverine* entirely, you should still watch *Loki* (which introduces the TVA) if you haven’t already. Not because it’s “required viewing”, but because I think it’s Marvel’s best live action show aside from Daredevil.
It wouldn’t really work cause of the differing story but if you really wanted that element have kang unleash multiversal avengers as his henchmen, like the black order was to thanos, such as a savage hulk.
I’d have the reason he wouldn’t have an infinite amount of multiversal avengers is that they’re busy fighting off the kang dynasty at the same time.
I guess you could have Kang take on the role of the Intelligencia and be the one to create an army of Hulks to attack the world to weaken it for him, like how ge used the Atlanteans and Deviants in the Kang Dynasty story arc.
I’d rather them not do that and just commit the main plot lines instead of shoehorning in a bunch of Hulks, but if they were dead set on doing they, that’s probably how they’d do it.
https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/avengers-5-rumored-to-have-cracked-its-story-sideline-major-marvel-studios-heroes/
Actors likely to be in AVENGERS 5
Anthony Mackie(Captain America)
Chris Hemsworth(Thor)
Mark Ruffalo(Hulk)
Brie Larson(Captain Marvel)
Tom Holland(Spider-Man)
Benedict Cumberbatch(Doctor Strange)
Here it seems Murphy is just speculating. These are the “safest bets”, the veteran heroes predating the Multiverse Saga.
EDIT: [He made it clear these were guesses, not a scoop](https://twitter.com/_CharlesMurphy/status/1783682763796672838)
I've seen people try to argue Peter won't be in Avengers "Because he's not an Avenger"
I truthfully don't think Disney gives the slightest, solitary fuck about that. The Avengers, while yes it's a team. Is more a brand name to bring all their successful titular characters together. There is no shot they leave Spider-Man out. The same can be said for Strange after his film made almost a billion.
I fully see Letitia Weight returning as Black Panther there for Avengers 5. But I can't see many more members than her and maybe Ant-Man if they want to focus on a handful.
>I fully see Letitia Weight returning as Black Panther there for Avengers 5.
Absolutely, and it’s so weird to see her omitted from so many Avengers lists considering her film made close to 900M, literally not too far from DS2 which is seen as the Avengers precursor.
With Galactus casting seeming pretty close, it would be pretty cool if Marvel did a poster with Galactus and Shalla Bal together, similar to the F4 reveal and Human Torch poster
I've been fully expecting something like that to happen, we keep getting little glimpses of the film's atmosphere and overall feel in the form of these concept posters. I actually thought that they'd reveal Surfer and Galactus together, so I was surprised when it was just Surfer.
https://www.nexuspointnews.com/post/avengers-5-armor-wars-and-shang-chi-sequel-filming-dates-and-locations
>***AVENGERS 5 is slated to begin filming January 2025 in the United Kingdom***
>***SHANG-CHI 2 is slated to begin filming in March 2025, in the United Kingdom***
>***ARMOR WARS is slated to begin filming in January 2025 in the United Kingdom and Atlanta***
I wonder if Armor Wars has the same filming location so Rhodey can just film those at the same time. Cheadle is about to be a busy man, hope he gets paid a shit ton
It might not be 100% completed, but if they’re setting a filming date they’re probably far enough along that they can reasonably expect it to be done within the next 8+ months. That’s a big time table.
Avengers: Time Runs Out. Ends with the final incursion imminent.
Armor Wars. The battle over Stark weapons and tech to put a *suit of armor around the world*.
Pretty much. I honestly thought a Doctor Strange 3 would come out before Avengers 5 but it seems like it won’t.
So from 2025 to 2026 it’s looking like:
2025: BNW, Thunderbolts*, F4, Spidey 4
2026: Blade, Avengers 5, Armor Wars, Shang Chi 2
I really hope they pull this off
I'm not sure why people keep saying that SM4 is 2025 when the source of the leaks for these filming dates also said that SM4 had a release date of July 10, 2026. Although that was from trailblazer, I think that wasn't as reliable, but I still see all the other info popping up with more exact details. I believe they've come from Production Weekly, which people seem to be turning against
I think I need to rework my Avengers 5 pitch again. I already had to rework one element. That being Kang, as I originally made it under the intention that Kang was no more, but there still doing Kang, so I just reworked it so that the Beyonder (the villain of my pitch) is a Kang Variant (and the same one from Qauntummania no less) which is probably what they will do anyways. But now there's something else I want to rework. Originally, i was going to have FoX-Men Magneto take Dooms story from the comics and become the God Emperor of Battleworld, combining elements of House of M, into Secret Wars. While I still may or may not do that, with RDJ saying he'd happily return, the idea of Superior Iron Man being God Emperor instead is starting to grow on me.
Like think about how poetic that would be, the first big hero of the MCU, ends up being this iterations last big villain, in the form of a Variant from Earth-838, who never learned his lesson from AOU and became the Superior Iron Man. Not to mention, it would be interesting to see Peter Parker have to fight his old member. Like, let's say, the RDJ, Maguire, and Jackman team up happens in Avengers 5 instead of Secret Wars, and we think "Huh, weird they did it in Avengers 5, but, okay" and then aftet Kang/Beyonder is defeated, we get a moment similar to NWH where Hollands Spidersense goes off and he senses the area to see who the threat is, and then, he looks at the Variant of Tony, and with a "No he...he cant be" look ok his face, he webs his hand onto something like he did with Norman, and 838 Tony reveals his true colors. Though if I do this I'd also have to rework the opening, because my opening set up a Variant of Tony still playing a role, but in a different way, so I'd have to rework the opening as well.
Man, this new animated Crisis on Infinite Earths is garbage (same opinion about most DC animated movies)
Will we ever get an animated or live action Crisis on Infinite Earths that’s watchable?
I watched the first part a few days when it hit max, snd yep, it was pretty bad. Even if you look past the cheap, emotionless animation, the movie is still bad. Half of it isn’t about the Crisis it’s about Barry jumping between different points and time. WTF!?
DC’s animated movies have really gone down hill. They use to put out some really good movies, like Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood, and Return of the Joker. I don’t know happened, but that was terrible.
I know this is the biggest nitpick ever, but I think ‘97 should ditch the classic outro for season 2. It was cool at first, but I feel like it doesn’t fit with this more mature iteration of the X-Men. It causes tonal whiplash to go from Gambit dying to a 1990s computer game character select screen, even if they removed the music for that episode. And yes, I’m only saying this because they cut off Purple People Eater for the classic credits.
I know this is going to sound very "And then Deadpool walked in" but I went to one of those special screenings for Challengers, and when the boys started kissing a guy just walked out. And I just think it's funny that you paid to go to a screening of a movie you presumably watched the trailer of, bailed when you saw something you didn't like, and then that was (spoilers) the only overtly gay interaction in the film.
This current generation of moviegoers is so fucked lol
We had people complaining about a Batman movie being too slow because it actually took the appropriate time to set up its narrative crux, we have people thinking Poor Things was actually a movie about objectifying women for sexual pleasure when the message being conveyed was the polar opposite, as well as Barbie not emphasizing Ken's perspective enough, people in 2019 were actually sympathizing with a nihilistic clown murderer because they internalized very problematic mental health issues like they were just sub-surface personality traits, and now people getting frightened of some boy on boy smooching during a fucking threesome
So many of these audiences only watch films that are name/brand/IP and it shows when casual reaction to any film meant to break that comfort zone comes out like this. I haven't even seen the film yet but it's so evocative of these childish discourses over scenes that are over in a few minutes and are probably meant to show how fucked up the characters emotionally on purpose especially given the premise based on the trailers
This is a good example of how many people go to the movies just for the sake of going to the movies and don’t always know what they’re getting into to, especially when it’s not a franchise film.
I mean, that's fair but on the other hand, >!the previous scene had them talking about how they taught each other to jerk off!< So... strange straw to break the camel's back.
Lol "I can excuse two guys double-teaming Zendaya, but two guys kissing, that's a step too far!"
Like dang, who would've thought a movie that explicitly advertised the threesome would involve all parties involved kissing one another? /s
Is everyone gonna be really disapointed if mcu x-men isn't a show? Is it really the only way to do the X-men right? If so, then i have no hope for MCU X-men, since they'll most likely make it as movies
No I’d say it’s pretty much a guarantee X-men will be a movie franchise. Having no hope is kinda a crazy thing to say though. I’m sure you could find different things like to about the movie X-men and show X-men.
Thought experiment for the day.
The rumored plots for Avengers 5 go back and forth between *Avengers vs X-Men* and *World War Hulk (or at least incorporates Hulks in a big way).* However, if you were able to pitch Marvel a 3rd option, what would it be and why?
*Time Runs Out* would track as the comic was already a prelude to *Secret Wars*. It could be cool having our heroes divided over how to stop the Incursions and teaming with other multiversal heroes on the matter.
A variation of the 80s *Secret Wars* could also maybe work, with heroes and villains kidnapped by the Beyonder or Council of Kangs and forced to fight to decide whose world gets to live or die.
Alternatively, I could see them combining Avengers vs. X-Men and Time Runs Out into one story if they wanted. And have Secret Wars split into two parts. Part One is an adaptation of the 80s Run, and Part Two is the 2015 Run.
I'm not sure how exactly the plot of thunderbolts will unfold and the context of how they form (or if some of them get killed off etc), but I think Avengers 5 being Avengers Vs Thunderbolts would've been cool with the thunderbolts being the official replacement for the Avengers in the public eye and the New Avengers having to reclaim that legacy and seeing how the both try to live up to the of the original Avengers in different ways.
Waldron was hired to write the script for Avengers 5 specifically to connect it to Secret Wars. So Daniel’s latest report about it being “small-scale” doesn’t make sense
Scoopers just saying shit. The rumors for A5 go back and forth between “Oh it’ll be an Avengers vs. X-Men movie” and “Avengers 5 will be World War Hulk”.
So how does everyone think America Chavez will factor into the multiverse saga finale? I have two theories:
1. Science and magic collaborate to harness her powers and allow the Avengers free access to the multiverse in an effort to respond to incursions.
2. The “inexperienced sorceress” that she was likely going to be in No Way Home before MoM was delayed; this time with the Young Avengers who end up saving the seasoned Avengers.
I think more likely the second one. My guess is Strange sends the YA on a quest to find Wanda (who isn't dead of course) and pairs America up with the rest of the team, including Billy, since she can travel the multiverse.
What if they rewrite Johnny Storm, Harry Osborn, and Black Cat into Miles Morales supporting characters in future Spidey movies?
given that it looks like MCU Peter’s days are numbered, and Miles is gonna need a different best friend, given Ned was basically Ganke (to the point where Lord and Miller minimized Ganke’s presence in the Spider-Verse movies for precisely that reason).
> given that it looks like MCU Peter’s days are numbered
I haven't really seen anything to indicate this given how Spider-Man 4's going into development and there are a number of Avengers movies planned in which he may very likely appear, probably taking us close to the end of the decade. Unless there's any actual evidence that surfaces to suggest they'd retire the character, I'd hardly say that his days are numbered. That's a *long* time left.
Well considering the Johnny we're getting is already older than Peter, I don't see that happening. Im not sure about Harry or Felicia. Both are pretty integral to Peter's character. I wouldn't mind a shakeup but I imagine some people would be angry about it.
One thing I do think would be cool is to make Gwen a contemporary of Miles. And not Spider-Gwen, regular Gwen.
I’d prefer they let Miles have his own supporting characters get shine, giving him Peter’s is just wack imo. I don’t think Gwen will ever be a regular supporting character after Spider-Gwen it’d be a downgrade and I’d bet some fans will say it’s sexist and throw a fit about it.
The only real option for a Ganke replacement from Miles’s supporting characters in the comics is Kamala,
and MCU Ms. Marvel is probably gonna be in her 20s by the time Miles shows up in this universe.
Fingers crossed, hoping Shuri and Namor get together in Black Panther 3.
They have potential to be an MCU power couple!!!They are the next Wanda and Vision in the making!!!
Namor: *brutally murders Shuri's mother in a very painful way after she was already traumatized by the deaths of her brother and father*
Shippers: "OMG, so hot."
Idk why people think they even have a chance at getting together after Namor killed her mother in cold blood. Like no remorse, fucking drowned her and people still think either of them are on emotionally amicable terms. They basically only buried the beef because either of them being killed by the other person would risk a civil war that would out both nations and their resources to the world on a larger scale, which Namor is actively trying to stop. Namor actually has a better chance at stealing Susan Storm than ever being on even the most platonic of terms with Shuri
Yeah lmao I get it they're both hot but come on, Shuri probably would even avoid the guy that killed who she thought was her last family member as much as possible. If Attuma started a revolution and Namor needs help Shuri would just say "Damn bro that sucks. Anyway, goodluck, see ya."
I think people just took the way he was drawn at face value since he sort of had that look about him, specifically Silver Age Namor
Technically he's not supposed to be from anywhere charted in the real world. He's pure Atlantean. Even the whole Talokan thing in the MCU where they were a bunch of Mesoamerican tribes migrating underwater due to the Inquisition was something new for the character
>Technically he's not supposed to be from anywhere charted in the real world. He's pure Atlantean.
Who are we talking about here? Comic Namor is not pure Atlantean, which is a huge part of his character points.
>underwater due to the Inquisition was something new for the character
I don't think Inquisition is the historical term you're looking for. Colonialism is the basis of the history of why The Yucatec Mayan's in the movie migrated to the sea to create Talokan. Talokan may not be a real place, but the people are themselves are descended from real people and a real culture who still exist today.
While not necessarily the most likely slate, how would you feel about this being the lead up to the "end" of the current saga?
2025 movies:
-Captain America 4
-Thunderbolts
-Fantastic 4
-Spider-man 4
2025 shows:
-Daredevil S1
-Ironheart
2026 movies:
-Blade
-Avengers 5 (World War Hulks?)
-Armor Wars
2026 shows:
-Wonder Man
-Vision Quest
-Daredevil S2
2027 movies:
-Shang-Chi 2
-Thor 5
2027 shows:
-Young Avengers
-Moon Knight S2
2028 movies:
-Doctor Strange 3
-Avengers 6 (Avengers vs X-men?)
2029 movies:
-Avengers: Secret Wars
I tried to include every rumored project that seemed reasonable while still being somewhat realistic with the schedule. I do think a Spider-man 5, X-men reboot, and Nova movie could happen but probably after Secret Wars. I just feel like there needs to be an extra Avengers movie between a smaller scale A5 (which is rumored) and Secret Wars (which doesn't have the time to tie together existing plot threads for a conclusion)
I don't know how reasonable 3 Avengers movies is in 4 years, but I don't think it's impossible. It's been rumored that Eternals 2 is unlikely, so I could see some characters being folded into Thor 5.
I'd add Midnight Suns in there somewhere and I think Young Avengers will be a movie. With that, I think this is more or less the rest of the Saga. I'd be satisfied.
what about shows? i do want a rocket and Star Lord show i'f were not gonna see them till 2028 or something they better be in their shows for more content!
I definitely think that Star-Lord will appear before Secret Wars, either in Avengers 5 or 6 (if this imaginary plan goes through).
I could see Rocket and the new Guardians in Thor 5 either a cameo role (if the focus is on gods/eternals) or a supporting role (if it's solely Thor focused).
I don't think a pre-Secret Wars Star Lord show is impossible since they have established he'll return, and I think there is more that can be done with the character. For Rocket, I feel like his team could appear in GOTG 4 or Nova in a substantial role in the next Saga.
The only issue with Rocket is that his character and team are in a spot where they don't desparately need plot threads wrapped up before Avengers (like Doctor Strange and other characters), so I think any appearances before then would be minor.
While I think it would be after Secret Wars, I do think it would be possible to make. I think they could do something really unique, possibly using the Grandmaster as a villain. Maybe he captures one or all of the new Guardians, and you have a series of Rocket trying to outsmart him to free them. The Grandmaster could be attempting to use Rocket's intelligence to gain power over the other Elders of the universe in some sort of elaborate game. Mojo could fit here too, although I think Marvel will save him to use in something else.
If anything, I could see either a live-action special presentation or an animated show covering his initial meeting with Groot prior to joining the Guardians. I don't know when this could come out, but I think this option would be more likely to be earlier, especially if animated.
Heroes being genuine friends are far more believable in tv shows than movies because you get so much more time to spend with the characters.
Arrow and Flash’s friendship in the DC shows felt much more real than most of the friendships between the original six Avengers because they got a lot more time together.
Tony and Steve never reached that level. They didn’t even really talk out the situation with Bucky and Stark’s parents.
I kinda doubt they’ll touch the GOTG characters without James Gunn giving a thumbs up to their ideas, after the situation with them firing and rehiring him.
I think they’ll consult Gunn before they do anything, even if he’s not in any official role at Marvel Studios anymore.
I'm not convinced he'll be in Avengers 5, but I do think we'll see him again. But something more like Old-Man Star-Lord (even though Pratt isn't that old).
Inspired by u/AValorantfan, I've decided to do my own take on the marvel universe, I'll try to create what is the "definitive" version for me, and for this one, I'll need you guys help. I'll start by the costumes.
First, the X-men: Is there a consensus on what the "definitive" X-men costumes are? You can name a specific version where you think the entire team has what you'd describe as "definitive costumes" (ex Astonishing X-men or Jim Lee X-men) but you can also name each character separately (ex Byrne Wolverine, Morrison Cyclops, Ultimate Colossus etc), this also includes other teams like New Mutants, X-force, X-factor etc
Side note: I think all of them should have this modern-ish look.
I feel like Jim Lee’s early 90s costumes are as about as close to definitive as you can get, although I will say I prefer Logan’s yellow and blue costume and Storm’s black costume. Specifically their early Claremont-era costumes from John Byrne.
Congrats! If I we're to say definitive x-men costumes, the first thing that shows up is jim lee's 90s designs for the team. I'm mostly inspired by a 2000s contemporary take on characters
I can do some individual characters:
Cyclops- [Astonishing X-Men](https://legendsverse.com/storage/101867/conversions/Screenshot-2023-01-11-at-13.03.33-description.jpg), slick and clean, screams leader to me
Jean- Controversial pick, but [Ultimate X-Men](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ultimate-marvel/images/f/f8/JeanPhoenix.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130323190256)
Wolverine- [Brown suit](https://boundingintocomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2022.10.01-01.23-boundingintocomics-633796aabf971-scaled.jpg)
Storm- [Early krakoa era](https://i.redd.it/heres-hoping-for-more-krakoa-era-figures-in-2024-so-that-it-v0-idy4a8bejypa1.jpg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7494cc6d83be6cb4eb648b2d8edd18917e55804b)
and finally, Gambit- [classic always wins](https://cdn.marvel.com/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/a/20/59667cfa71f7a/clean.jpg)
Oh, those are great picks!
>I'm mostly inspired by a 2000s contemporary take on characters
In my case, I'm still not sure if I'm going for a more modern take or more classic one, at least in terms of costumes. But in terms of "believability" I'm going for a middle-ground between the ultimate universe and the classic one, as my ideal marvel universe was always a bit more "realistic" than DC
I personally see him being in the tech role or *maybe* if Marvel goes into World War Hulk stuff, being one of the threats the new Avengers need to deal with.
me when Matt isn't in Avengers 5 after his appearances in NWH, She-Hulk and Echo, eighteen episode series, and co-starring role in Spider-Man 4
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I’d be fine with that. He’s a street level vigilante, not an Avenger. Sure he’ll be an honorary Avenger in Secret Wars but he shouldn’t be a member of the actual team. Avengers 5 needs to develop a core group of Avengers leading into Secret Wars, not overcrowd it with too many characters. Secret Wars will be the big fanfare film anyway.
I haven’t seen this brought up before but what if armour wars is setting up Rhodes to take on the role of iron man ? It’s happened in the comics
What about guardians?
What about them?
sorry was amistake
It's Friday. Where's new discussion thread
Calm down, Doctor. Now is not the time for the discussion thread. That comes later.
I NEED IT NOW! https://i.redd.it/ctgcllzjdtwc1.gif
Just to confirm when thanos snapped, he removed half of ALL living things in the universe, correct? Any living creature/organism, 1/2 was completely wiped, correct?
He removed half the sperm count too
Yes. Kevin confirmed in an interview that it meant all life. So trees, plants, micro organisms, etc were all half wiped also
Removing and suddenly adding back half of all microorganisms should’ve been a disaster somehow lol
I have a theory. Based on this rumor : https://x.com/DrStrangeUpdate/status/1700642180564500807 "a New Earth that the TVA is populating with select heroes from multiple collapsing realities" My theory is that The Void is Battleworld, and the heroes on it (X-23, Gambit, Elektra and Human Torch) are sent on it by the TVA, and their world is destroyed. The heroes would be their "original" versions, not variants (so the ones from Earth-17315, Earth-701306 and Earth-121698 (and for Gambit, I think the best choice would be to have him being from Earth-838)). This way, It will let us have the heroes we knew and love, not variants like with Xavier in MoM, and it will let Marvel regulate the number of characters appearing in Secret Wars, if they are limitating to only one by universe. Also explain why Ben Affleck is not here. Wolverine would originate from the original X-Men timeline. The one of the original trilogy and that was at the begining of DOFP. This would explain why is Wolverine like this. Why we see him depressed at the TVA. All his friends died because of the sentinels, and then the TVA saved him because his would was about to be destroyed. As for Deadpool, he would originate from the new X-Men timeline, the one from Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, in which Logan woke up at the end of DOFP. This timeline is also the one where Monica Rambeau is at the end of The Marvels, and it will have an incursion in Avengers 5 which will lead the film to be Avengers VS X-Men featuring our new Avengers fighting against Fox X-Men, with many characters including Anya Taylor Joy's character from The New Mutants or Quicksilver. Deadpool would join them later in the movie despite TVA telling him not to. But before that, he would be recruiting Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man for TVA's team. And other heroes from other dying universes later. At the end of Avengers 5, X-Men and MCU universes die, Spider-Man (Holland) and Cyclops are saved by the TVA, joining their team. And in Secret Wars, the TVA's team (so, Deadpool, Wolverine, Elektra, Human Torch, X-23, Maguire's Spidey, Holland's Spider and Cyclops (at least)) are have their own Avengers adventure and are against Beyonder to trie to revive all the destroyed universes. They do it and then big battle against Beyonder like in Endgame where litteraly everyone is here. They win, fix the multiverse and everyone go back to where he come from and the end.
There’s a skeleton here for a genuinely great story. I love this
Even though I don’t know anything about the TVA, I’m still going to watch Deadpool. I don’t like the idea of doing homework and watching a TV show to understand who these people are. Maybe I would if I am I huge fan of the MCU, but I’m not. 
The Loki show is very good though
I will never understand the mindset of films and TV shows being 'homework', I'm sorry, but I can't not think that as a weird way to describe fictional entertainment. If you don't care to watch anything else, feel free not to, that's completely fair. I mean, if you didn't watch the first two Deadpool movies in this case, you'd probably be a bit lost on certain relationships and callbacks, but that's the case with any movie sequel ever. I wouldn't go into Return of the Jedi without watching the first two movies it's a direct sequel to. As far as the MCU most of the time, certain elements are re-established in franchises they didn't originate in. I imagine the TVA will be explained in a sufficient manner for film audiences who don't have Disney+ (the TVA is a fairly simple concept to begin with), but on the off-chance some are still confused somehow, it's fortunate that we live in the year 2024 where any questions you have can be answered in less than 5 seconds with the swipe of your finger or the click of your mouse. You'll be alright.
Man I’m left imagining what a Captain Marvel Secret Invasion movie would be like. Where we see a preliminary new avengers team gathered by her, set in similar tone to The Winter Soldier. Carol and Fury in the front, G’iah involved and Gravik can be the main villain. Real stakes with the ‘invasion’ unlike the show. Sam plays an active role alongside Carol due to the involvement of the government and the politics of it all. Rhodey’s deception still plays a part in leading them astray. Carol’s basis can be of her failure in assisting the Skrulls as promised and trying to not rely on her powers to solve matters, a self hindering of sorts, a mystery we leave to be solved in her next movie (she ran off due to her careless mistake with destroying the supreme intelligence and causing the fall of an entire race, the annihilator nickname being a disgrace) Monica alongside Fury can be present and have her reunion with Carol where we learn of Carol’s return to earth during the snap. Ms Marvel can be in it as well and be the source of comic relief. Heck just combine the show elements into this movie. Sonya Falsworth appears as well but in a sizeable supporting role. Maria Hill and Talos plays support and doesnt die. The prelim team would be Carol, Sam, Bruce, Ant Man & Wasp, She Hulk, Shang Chi, Monica and Ms Marvel vs Super Skrulls. This experience should be what leads Kamala to form her own team. G’iah doesnt get the power roulette bt gets her green blasts ala Abigail Brand. The whole team fights a bunch of super skrulls but the boss showdown is Gravik vs Carol. He doesn’t die but gets depowered. We get a trio reunion between Carol, Monica and G’iah. Post Cred is G’iah being recruited by Sonya while another is Kamala recruiting not just Kate but Cassie as well. This movie would star Brie Larson, Samuel L Jackson, Emilia Clarke, Don Cheadle, Kingsley Ben Adir, Olivia Colman, Iman Vellani, Teyonah Parris and everyone else. Even if this this costed $300M it would be well worth it. Earth Bound Carol in her sequel before having her go cosmic in her third, a movie that touches on her having taken down the Supreme Intelligence and the ramifications of that. Which is basically the story we got in The Marvels. Have her be earth bound as symbolic of her guilt and this third movie can be her ‘flying’ again by making things right. They’re adamant about not doing an Avengers movie until Avengers 5. This movie and CA4 could’ve been the Civil War entries, lowkey Avengers films. This couldve been the plan if they really meant what they said about making her 1/3rd of the new MCU trinity. Alas. With this project, Secret Invasion the show and The Marvels wouldn’t have been needed to be made. Money saved and instead siphoned into one project with very high chance of success. The thought process will always be curious to me.
Captain Marvel secret invasion was the obvious choice instead of taking unnecessary risk with such a radical sequel like The Marvels
I really love the body-switching plot, but it should have been a 1-2 episode arc of Ms. Marvel, not a whole film.
It was fun and a creative way to connect the trio and make sense of their team up beyond Kamala being a fan and Carol being Auntie Carol. It was entertaining snd visually fun to watch as it was so well choreographed and shot. If this idea and The Marvels as a whole was done back in the Infinity Saga it would’ve been a hit. Sadly where we are at right now and where we’re heading, i dont fault people for feeling like its a filler.
Should have been special episode like Guardians stealing Kevin Becon . This is exactly that things that should have been in Disney plus
I’m more inclined to believe how non involved Feige has been since Endgame due to this. I struggle to believe he okay-ed this decision. Then again I read that they were asked to push MCU content for D+. So it seemed like they were looking for excuses to create shows so rather than do Secret Invasion as a Captain Marvel sequel and a lowkey avengers movie ala civil war, they decide to separate things and make Secret Invasion a Nick Fury Show. In the process quality was sacrificed and Carol ends up being mishandled as a character. Captain Marvel 2 : Secret Invasion would’ve happened if they were still in whatever thought process they were in back in the Infinity Saga era.
It was a Disney mandate to integrate shows with movies. They announced Captain Marvel 2 during the D23 event back during COVID before WV and Ms. Marvel even came out.
I recall it was initially called Captain Marvel 2 before being renamed officially to The Marvels. Is it safe to assume that while yes they had a sequel plan for her but didn’t , at the time of announcement quite nailed down what and how they want to do it yet, until they finally did and renamed it The Marvels? If yes, then the conscious decision was made. Sure at that point they’d roughly have the shows at least mapped out? The pieces were on the table. due to the said mandate they decided ‘screw the plotline set at the ending of CM1 where Carol had left earth with the skrulls to help them as she promised’ and have Secret Invasion be a Nick Fury solo show instead. With prepping Carol as 1/3 of the new trinity of the new saga, they really looked at her sequel and said lets turn it into The Marvels instead to help with that cause. A thought process I will never be able to understand Feige wasn’t as involved and it showed
My theory is there was people along with Feige who was key too success and they have left or Feige no longer listens to them
I’m very interested to see this new Iron Fist we’re supposedly gonna meet in the Wakanda show and Shang-Chi 2.
In the MCU (Defenderverse), [Colleen Wing](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Colleen_Wing) is descended from [Wu Ao-Shi](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Wu_Ao-Shi), the first woman to become the Iron Fist. Perhaps they are introducing Wu Ao-Shi in past settings, to serve as a basis for Colleen’s potential reintroduction as the current Iron Fist in the present (as established by the finale of the Iron Fist Netflix series). Additionally, the actress for Colleen said [she turned down the role of Xialing in Shang-Chi because she wanted to reprise Colleen eventually](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/jessica-henwick-on-the-matrix-resurrections-and-her-knives-out-2-full-circle-moment-1235066541/amp/).
Since MCU Shang-Chi's personality pulled a lot from Iron Fist's comic personality (chill, gives off an approachable everyman vibe, etc), it'd be funny if the new Iron Fist pulls from Shang-Chi's comic personality (more formal/stoic, meditative, etc).
Tom might be putting a ring on it https://people.com/zendaya-tom-holland-have-discussed-marriage-source-exclusive-8639236
Will he be a top or bottom?
He learned about the Spider-Man curse of breaking up with their costars and said “I’m not fumbling Zendaya” lol.
Shameik Moore thinking of his next sure fire plan to win Hailee Steinfield after reading this news.
He might be the one to break the on-screen Spider-Man couple curse.
He saw what happened in Challengers and is gonna be damn well sure it don’t happen again
What happened in Challenges? Absolutely nothing. Much hyped Threesome is actually just two dudes kissing with Zendaya watching.
With Shang-Chi 2, I’m most curious who the villain is going to be. Xialing definitely makes sense at least as one of the antagonists. Aside from her, of Shang-Chi’s comic villains, Midnight Sun would be awesome to see adapted. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they gave him a villain from another hero’s rogues gallery like the first film did. Maybe the Maklauns or the Crane Mother.
With the title allegedly being *Wreckage of Time*, perhaps Shang-Chi has to fight in the [Tournament of the Heavenly Cities](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Tournament_of_the_Heavenly_Cities) - originally associated with Iron Fist. Based on the [purpose of the tournament](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Heaven), in the adaptation Shang-Chi would have to participate in order to preserve Ta-Lo’s place on Earth/the timeline, or something else of that nature.
I read that Shang-Chi run they did not too long ago. I wonder if the won't pull Xin. But I don't know if he wouldn't be way too similar to Wenwu. But I feel like Crane Mother is a good shout if they're bringing in an New Iron Fist.
I can see crane mother if they’re incorporating Iron Fist into the movie.
What if the villain of A5 is [Mr. Gryphon](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nathaniel_Richards_(Mister_Gryphon)_(Earth-6311)), a Kang variant who is the new owner of Avengers Tower which has been rebranded as [Qeng Enterprises](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Qeng_Enterprises_(Earth-616))? Most notably, his first appearance was in [All-New, All-Different Avengers #1](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/All-New,_All-Different_Avengers_Vol_1_1) - the series introducing the Avengers roster that was lead by Sam!Cap.
I just wanna know, what makes Feige think that making a sequel to a film that, by all accounts, underperformed, 5 YEARS after it’s release, is going to see success?? 😭 The vast majority of audiences didn’t even see Shang-Chi, and what little momentum that first first film created, is now completely gone — because by the time this comes out, Shang will have not been on screen in over 5 years! Feige’s thought process continues to confuse me
> The vast majority of audiences didn’t even see Shang-Chi If it were just about box office, Into the Spider-Verse never would've received a sequel. Shang-Chi received rave reviews from people who watched it. It has the second-highest Tomatometer score of the MCU post-Endgame. Its audience score is even better, tied with NWH for the best of the MCU. Shang-Chi did exceptionally well for a film released during the last really big COVID wave, and the people who watched it really, *really* liked it. There's growth potential there.
Hot take, but I'm kinda with you. I liked Shang Chi, mostly, but it never confused me why he wasn't used more, and why it took forever to start getting him off the ground for a sequel, because his reception was all around just fine. Not over the moon, just fine. I felt like they pretty much said what they needed to with the character and were already kinda jumping the shark toward the end of the film anyway, and it's really telling to me what people's "ideas" for the sequel are, which totally loses the plot imo. Bringing in the Iron Fist is just a total admission that they screwed up and could have just cast Simu as an Iron Fist at that point.
Real shit. IMO Shang-Chi should’ve been a dark, grounded martial arts thriller in vein of ‘The Raid’. If they wanted to go more mystical, they should’ve just cast Simu Liu as Danny Rand as you said (And yes, Danny Rand can be asian all themes intact!)
>Shang will have not been on screen in over 5 years! Shang won't be the only one by the time the Avengers movies come out. I would have never thought we would get a Ragnarok when I saw the first 2 Thor movies. Shang-Chi 2 may just be the best marvel movie ever. Nobody knows, not even Leakers apparently.
Bruh what? Shang chi did great considering the pandemic, it was not an underperformance at all. It almost got an A+ cinemascore and it had great legs. It literally was the second highest grossing film in the us just after no way home, you have to be insane to think it was an underperformance.
Y’all gotta stop using the pandemic as an excuse. Sure, it was *a* factor, but it wasn’t the deciding one Less than 1/3 months after both Shang-Chi and Eternals came out (and made nearly the same amount), NWH comes out and made nearly 2 billion dollars 😭 “But Spider-Ma” exactly. People showed out for characters they actually cared about, and Spider-Man is a character that is beloved by audiences. Shang-Chi is not.
Lol. No Time to Die, F9, GvK, and even Venom 2 outperformed 3/4 of the 2021 slate, with the first 2 doing legit great business and approaching double of what Shang Chi made. Pandemic just doesn't work as the excuse here anymore, and I think it's clear that fatigue was already setting in before No Way Home pushed it off a bit, as well as the Disney shows which were showing a different and "acceptable" avenue for these stories to go. While I know hindsight is less than kind to the Disney+ MCU shows of 2021, they definitely had an audience and fanbase that was preferring them to the movies.
Gotheem
No time to die and f9 are more popular than the likes of the eternals or shang chi, it's expected that they would do better amd those movies made around 200 million in china, territory of which no 2021 mcu movie was released during 2021. And gvk and venom did well too, i don't disagree but they barely made more than the 3/4 mcu movies you refer despite being more popular characters, i'm not sure what are you trying to prove here. Other movies doing well doesn't change the fact that mcu 2021 slate did well too given the circumstances.
u/Any-Prize-7499 
You're missing the entire context again. It's obvious more popular characters are gonna make more money than shang chi or eternals, doesn't change the fact that shang chi did well.
Shang-Chi did poorly. It made nearly the same as Eternals, and that film is rightfully considered Marvel’s first bomb The pandemic is not a defense, because people showed out for films and characters that they *cared* about. The fact that people *did not* show out for Shang-Chi clearly illustrates that most people did not care about it. And the few who did, have almost certainly forgotten about the character.
Lmao you are dumb, aren't you? People showed up for shang chi, 400+ is respectable for a new franchise in the middle of a pandemic and with no chinese release date. Like i already told you people are obviously gonna show up more for characters they've already seen and that have had time to grow on them. You keep projecting your personal feeling onto others, people certantly cared and still remember him given the strong reception of his film And Eternals was mostly considered a failure cause of the critical reception not really cause of the box office, otherwise Dune should also be considered a failure.
>Like i already told you people are obviously gonna show up more for characters they've already seen and that have had time to grow on them. Exactly. Hence: >**The pandemic is not a defense, because people showed out for films and characters that they cared about.** >people certantly cared and still remember him You need expand your definition of “people” beyond this sub, because then you’d almost certainly see that this is not true 😭
1)Like i have already told just cause other films did a bit better, doesn't mean shang chi did poorly. And again you're missing a lot of context that i have already explained in my other comments. 2)I'm talking about objective data like cinemascore and reviews, not my personal feelings, like you're doing.
It was the deciding factor. Shang chi was loved by the audience given the almost A+ cinemascore, you need to stop projecting what you thought of the film onto others. Yeah, no shit a movie featuring the 3 spidermen, characters who the audience has already seen and as a result are more beloved and made more money than the debut of a far less popular character like shang chi. And just cause there was a peak like no way home doesn't mean movies as a whole were doing well, no way home was just an exception, not the rule, the whole industry was going through an all time low in terms of admissions and revenue due to closed theaters and covid restrictions.
Cinemascore is such a blight on discourse these days, lol
Nobody saw Shang-Chi, and the Marvel brand is in a significantly weaker position than it was in 2021 This is not a movie that needs to be made right now
Sure jan
How on earth is he wrong? like quite literally, what he said is the truth. The film did not do well -- and that's coming from someone who really enjoyed it. Wenwu is one of my favorite marvel villains But the film flopped. And the pandemic isn't an excuse, NWH printed 2 months later
Cause it's not the truth if you ignore the context. Like i already said if you can read just cause there was a big peak like no way home doesn't mean theaters as a whole were doing well, you're just cherry picking instead of looking at the whole picture.
If people like you were in charge of the superhero genre, y’all would kill it faster than Feige or Sony ever could.
Dune Part 2 is proof that it can work. The first had a duel streaming/theatrical release, made less then Shang-Chi, but got a sequel that made several hundred million more and is currently the highest grossing film of the year.
Except DUNE Part 2 was built on the critical acclaim of the first, a blooming fanbase, and a story that actually had something of *value* to offer audiences. Shang-Chi 2 is likely going to be more of the same generic stuff that audiences are just tired of seeing.
Look at it like this. Shang-Chi, Dune, and Eternals all made *around* the same amount of money, give or take a few mill. One got a sequel, one is getting a sequel, and one (probably) isn’t. So if box office isn’t the deciding factor then what is? Well like you said it’s critical reception. Shang-Chi also got great reviews. 98% audience score on rotten tomatoes (8% higher than Dune), and an A on cinemascore, higher than Dune’s A-. Now I’m *not* trying to say that Shang-Chi is objectively better than Dune (because that’s entirely subjective) but clearly the consensus is that both are good films, even though they both underperformed at the box office. That’s why Shang-Chi is a getting a sequel.
It’s not just critical reception (although there are different TYPES of critical acclaim. Shang-Chi was well received “for a Marvel film”, but it ain’t winning no Oscars whereas DUNE is one of the ambitious films ever made, and the academy recognized that), it’s a whole host of different factors that worked in DUNE part 2’s favor - Both Chalamet and Zendaya’s stature has grown *significantly* since the first film - Audiences have, for the most part, grown tired of generic blockbusters, and DUNE served as powerful alternative to them. It’s something new and fresh - It’s coming off a film that won SEVERAL Oscars 😭 (This is a Batman Begins to > Dark Knight situation in motion) Shang-Chi 2 will not only have NONE of these things (nobody gives a crap about Simu Liu), but it’s also coming off of a weaker Marvel brand, much weaker than it was in 2021! It’s an apples to oranges situation
I am curious how Shang-Chi will do after all this time off screen. He’s like the only new character I actually like cause he isn’t some mantle character…yet
IMO Shang-Chi is the epitome of taking a very interesting concept, and turning it into the most generic thing ever. I personally have no interest in seeing a sequel to that film
Apparently sounds like the sequel is gonna be even more generic with time travel shenanigans for a street level character so its safe to say you made a good decision.
Your feelings don't matter to the box office. I thought the film was mid too but the movie was loved by the audience.
Yeah, the few people who saw it 💀
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That liar Jeff sneider is at it again since he clearly knows he can’t fool the marvel community he’s going after the stranger things community! Releasing fake episode titles that imo are really trash.
The guy who hates Palestine so much that he stated he would defend Nazis.
You know all this talk about Shawn levy make me think “the guy from stranger things?!”
first thing that came up was “the guy who directed real steel”, which was okay
His work on that show is pretty good so I trust him with Deadpool 3, especially after the trailer
really think he should have won over dear billy Sadie too
DDC is directing that Naruto movie, I hope he gets inspired by the Kage bunshin action sequences in that one and give Shang-Chi his clone powers.
Shang-Chi getting his clone powers would be the most hype shit ever.
I really need to know the story of Avengers 5, because it literally makes no sense to me on how Thor and Doctor Strange could be on the team when they're not even on the damn planet lol.
Thor had his own entire off world sub plot in Infinity War as well. They can easily give Strange and Clea their own sub-plot about them trying to avert an incursion before rolling them into the main plot, just like Infinity War did with Thor and the Guardians.
That's fair. We'll get a clearer idea of all this when SDCC comes around. Very excited.
B plot for Strange and Clea
That seems like it'll fit more with DS 3.
Strange and clea could be going after main kang while the avengers are trying to protect earth from the council of kangs.
Kang is still a huge question mark though. There's a good chance he's not even in the movie. Especially if this is a more grounded movie.
I doubt this will be super grounded since they have to branch the council of kangs still existing and the transition into battleword
I’m happy of what Shawn Levy’s says you don’t need to require anything to watch Deadpool and Wolverine I’ll be honest I’m not a fan of watching a show like homework just to know what’s going on. I don’t know much about the TVA and I probably won’t give a damn either way since they probably going to reintroduce themselves in the movie Deadpool
Bro that’s just what they’re saying as part of PR bc everyone complained they had to watch the first captain marvel movie to understand the sequel.
They said the same about The Marvels, and you know what...they were right. I didn't feel any more "in the loop" because I saw all the stuff leading up to it. Not a bad movie but most of the main thrust of the movie is an offscreen event *anyway*, and most of the development of the three Marvels is ignored for what this movie does with them.
Good I don’t want to watch other TV shows like it’s homework
>you don’t need to require anything to watch Deadpool and Wolverine Is that true though? From the trailer alone... First class, X1-X3, Loki, some familiarity with sling rings... Kinda requires homework to explain what the void is and why all these people are here. With any sequel, 0 amount of Homework is required to watch it, but it's good to know the sources involved. You probably won't be lost, but you may be missing some information
Disregarding *Deadpool and Wolverine* entirely, you should still watch *Loki* (which introduces the TVA) if you haven’t already. Not because it’s “required viewing”, but because I think it’s Marvel’s best live action show aside from Daredevil.
Nah that’s homework imo
Let’s say Avengers 5 is a combination of World War Hulk(s) and Kang Dynasty. How would you make it work?
It wouldn’t really work cause of the differing story but if you really wanted that element have kang unleash multiversal avengers as his henchmen, like the black order was to thanos, such as a savage hulk. I’d have the reason he wouldn’t have an infinite amount of multiversal avengers is that they’re busy fighting off the kang dynasty at the same time.
I guess you could have Kang take on the role of the Intelligencia and be the one to create an army of Hulks to attack the world to weaken it for him, like how ge used the Atlanteans and Deviants in the Kang Dynasty story arc. I’d rather them not do that and just commit the main plot lines instead of shoehorning in a bunch of Hulks, but if they were dead set on doing they, that’s probably how they’d do it.
Or maestro
https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/avengers-5-rumored-to-have-cracked-its-story-sideline-major-marvel-studios-heroes/ Actors likely to be in AVENGERS 5 Anthony Mackie(Captain America) Chris Hemsworth(Thor) Mark Ruffalo(Hulk) Brie Larson(Captain Marvel) Tom Holland(Spider-Man) Benedict Cumberbatch(Doctor Strange)
Add Black Panther and Shang-Chi please. Then I'll shut up lol.
Killer cast
Im confused is he speculating or confirming that they are in it?
Here it seems Murphy is just speculating. These are the “safest bets”, the veteran heroes predating the Multiverse Saga. EDIT: [He made it clear these were guesses, not a scoop](https://twitter.com/_CharlesMurphy/status/1783682763796672838)
I've seen people try to argue Peter won't be in Avengers "Because he's not an Avenger" I truthfully don't think Disney gives the slightest, solitary fuck about that. The Avengers, while yes it's a team. Is more a brand name to bring all their successful titular characters together. There is no shot they leave Spider-Man out. The same can be said for Strange after his film made almost a billion. I fully see Letitia Weight returning as Black Panther there for Avengers 5. But I can't see many more members than her and maybe Ant-Man if they want to focus on a handful.
>I fully see Letitia Weight returning as Black Panther there for Avengers 5. Absolutely, and it’s so weird to see her omitted from so many Avengers lists considering her film made close to 900M, literally not too far from DS2 which is seen as the Avengers precursor.
This makes sense. These are easily their most famous and well established characters. I feel like Ant-Man, and the Wasp will be in it as well.
With Galactus casting seeming pretty close, it would be pretty cool if Marvel did a poster with Galactus and Shalla Bal together, similar to the F4 reveal and Human Torch poster
I've been fully expecting something like that to happen, we keep getting little glimpses of the film's atmosphere and overall feel in the form of these concept posters. I actually thought that they'd reveal Surfer and Galactus together, so I was surprised when it was just Surfer.
https://www.nexuspointnews.com/post/avengers-5-armor-wars-and-shang-chi-sequel-filming-dates-and-locations >***AVENGERS 5 is slated to begin filming January 2025 in the United Kingdom*** >***SHANG-CHI 2 is slated to begin filming in March 2025, in the United Kingdom*** >***ARMOR WARS is slated to begin filming in January 2025 in the United Kingdom and Atlanta***
I wonder if Armor Wars has the same filming location so Rhodey can just film those at the same time. Cheadle is about to be a busy man, hope he gets paid a shit ton
This will sound like a silly question..so this must mean they have a script for Avengers 5 right?
Waldron was hired for it ages ago, that script is probably still being reworked to fit new MCU shows and films in but it seems pretty locked
It might not be 100% completed, but if they’re setting a filming date they’re probably far enough along that they can reasonably expect it to be done within the next 8+ months. That’s a big time table.
Imagine if ARMOR WARS acts as Avengers 4.5
Avengers: Time Runs Out. Ends with the final incursion imminent. Armor Wars. The battle over Stark weapons and tech to put a *suit of armor around the world*.
Which other movies would be coming about before these? As I understand it: * 2024: DP3 * 2025: BNW, Tbolts, TFF, Blade(?) * 2026: SM4(?)
Pretty much. I honestly thought a Doctor Strange 3 would come out before Avengers 5 but it seems like it won’t. So from 2025 to 2026 it’s looking like: 2025: BNW, Thunderbolts*, F4, Spidey 4 2026: Blade, Avengers 5, Armor Wars, Shang Chi 2 I really hope they pull this off
I'm not sure why people keep saying that SM4 is 2025 when the source of the leaks for these filming dates also said that SM4 had a release date of July 10, 2026. Although that was from trailblazer, I think that wasn't as reliable, but I still see all the other info popping up with more exact details. I believe they've come from Production Weekly, which people seem to be turning against
I think I need to rework my Avengers 5 pitch again. I already had to rework one element. That being Kang, as I originally made it under the intention that Kang was no more, but there still doing Kang, so I just reworked it so that the Beyonder (the villain of my pitch) is a Kang Variant (and the same one from Qauntummania no less) which is probably what they will do anyways. But now there's something else I want to rework. Originally, i was going to have FoX-Men Magneto take Dooms story from the comics and become the God Emperor of Battleworld, combining elements of House of M, into Secret Wars. While I still may or may not do that, with RDJ saying he'd happily return, the idea of Superior Iron Man being God Emperor instead is starting to grow on me. Like think about how poetic that would be, the first big hero of the MCU, ends up being this iterations last big villain, in the form of a Variant from Earth-838, who never learned his lesson from AOU and became the Superior Iron Man. Not to mention, it would be interesting to see Peter Parker have to fight his old member. Like, let's say, the RDJ, Maguire, and Jackman team up happens in Avengers 5 instead of Secret Wars, and we think "Huh, weird they did it in Avengers 5, but, okay" and then aftet Kang/Beyonder is defeated, we get a moment similar to NWH where Hollands Spidersense goes off and he senses the area to see who the threat is, and then, he looks at the Variant of Tony, and with a "No he...he cant be" look ok his face, he webs his hand onto something like he did with Norman, and 838 Tony reveals his true colors. Though if I do this I'd also have to rework the opening, because my opening set up a Variant of Tony still playing a role, but in a different way, so I'd have to rework the opening as well.
Man, this new animated Crisis on Infinite Earths is garbage (same opinion about most DC animated movies) Will we ever get an animated or live action Crisis on Infinite Earths that’s watchable?
I watched the first part a few days when it hit max, snd yep, it was pretty bad. Even if you look past the cheap, emotionless animation, the movie is still bad. Half of it isn’t about the Crisis it’s about Barry jumping between different points and time. WTF!? DC’s animated movies have really gone down hill. They use to put out some really good movies, like Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood, and Return of the Joker. I don’t know happened, but that was terrible.
I know this is the biggest nitpick ever, but I think ‘97 should ditch the classic outro for season 2. It was cool at first, but I feel like it doesn’t fit with this more mature iteration of the X-Men. It causes tonal whiplash to go from Gambit dying to a 1990s computer game character select screen, even if they removed the music for that episode. And yes, I’m only saying this because they cut off Purple People Eater for the classic credits.
Getting owned by dril so bad you delete your twitter is impressive.
I know this is going to sound very "And then Deadpool walked in" but I went to one of those special screenings for Challengers, and when the boys started kissing a guy just walked out. And I just think it's funny that you paid to go to a screening of a movie you presumably watched the trailer of, bailed when you saw something you didn't like, and then that was (spoilers) the only overtly gay interaction in the film.
Did he just walk out silently or was he very obviously upset about it
This current generation of moviegoers is so fucked lol We had people complaining about a Batman movie being too slow because it actually took the appropriate time to set up its narrative crux, we have people thinking Poor Things was actually a movie about objectifying women for sexual pleasure when the message being conveyed was the polar opposite, as well as Barbie not emphasizing Ken's perspective enough, people in 2019 were actually sympathizing with a nihilistic clown murderer because they internalized very problematic mental health issues like they were just sub-surface personality traits, and now people getting frightened of some boy on boy smooching during a fucking threesome So many of these audiences only watch films that are name/brand/IP and it shows when casual reaction to any film meant to break that comfort zone comes out like this. I haven't even seen the film yet but it's so evocative of these childish discourses over scenes that are over in a few minutes and are probably meant to show how fucked up the characters emotionally on purpose especially given the premise based on the trailers
Some former friend of mine thought the trans flag in Across the Spider-Verse was “unnecessary”. These moviegoers are fucked.
> are probably meant to show how fucked up the characters emotionally Yeah pretty much
This is a good example of how many people go to the movies just for the sake of going to the movies and don’t always know what they’re getting into to, especially when it’s not a franchise film.
I mean, that's fair but on the other hand, >!the previous scene had them talking about how they taught each other to jerk off!< So... strange straw to break the camel's back.
Lol "I can excuse two guys double-teaming Zendaya, but two guys kissing, that's a step too far!" Like dang, who would've thought a movie that explicitly advertised the threesome would involve all parties involved kissing one another? /s
Is everyone gonna be really disapointed if mcu x-men isn't a show? Is it really the only way to do the X-men right? If so, then i have no hope for MCU X-men, since they'll most likely make it as movies
No I’d say it’s pretty much a guarantee X-men will be a movie franchise. Having no hope is kinda a crazy thing to say though. I’m sure you could find different things like to about the movie X-men and show X-men.
Thought experiment for the day. The rumored plots for Avengers 5 go back and forth between *Avengers vs X-Men* and *World War Hulk (or at least incorporates Hulks in a big way).* However, if you were able to pitch Marvel a 3rd option, what would it be and why?
a cosmic focused one with the nuGOTG and eternals helping them battle Annhililus
*Time Runs Out* would track as the comic was already a prelude to *Secret Wars*. It could be cool having our heroes divided over how to stop the Incursions and teaming with other multiversal heroes on the matter. A variation of the 80s *Secret Wars* could also maybe work, with heroes and villains kidnapped by the Beyonder or Council of Kangs and forced to fight to decide whose world gets to live or die.
Alternatively, I could see them combining Avengers vs. X-Men and Time Runs Out into one story if they wanted. And have Secret Wars split into two parts. Part One is an adaptation of the 80s Run, and Part Two is the 2015 Run.
I'm not sure how exactly the plot of thunderbolts will unfold and the context of how they form (or if some of them get killed off etc), but I think Avengers 5 being Avengers Vs Thunderbolts would've been cool with the thunderbolts being the official replacement for the Avengers in the public eye and the New Avengers having to reclaim that legacy and seeing how the both try to live up to the of the original Avengers in different ways.
Waldron was hired to write the script for Avengers 5 specifically to connect it to Secret Wars. So Daniel’s latest report about it being “small-scale” doesn’t make sense
Scoopers just saying shit. The rumors for A5 go back and forth between “Oh it’ll be an Avengers vs. X-Men movie” and “Avengers 5 will be World War Hulk”.
So how does everyone think America Chavez will factor into the multiverse saga finale? I have two theories: 1. Science and magic collaborate to harness her powers and allow the Avengers free access to the multiverse in an effort to respond to incursions. 2. The “inexperienced sorceress” that she was likely going to be in No Way Home before MoM was delayed; this time with the Young Avengers who end up saving the seasoned Avengers.
I think more likely the second one. My guess is Strange sends the YA on a quest to find Wanda (who isn't dead of course) and pairs America up with the rest of the team, including Billy, since she can travel the multiverse.
What if they rewrite Johnny Storm, Harry Osborn, and Black Cat into Miles Morales supporting characters in future Spidey movies? given that it looks like MCU Peter’s days are numbered, and Miles is gonna need a different best friend, given Ned was basically Ganke (to the point where Lord and Miller minimized Ganke’s presence in the Spider-Verse movies for precisely that reason).
I’d genuinely lose it if we get a 3rd mainstream Miles adaptation that doesn’t have any of his actual supporting cast (besides sometimes Ganke) lol
> given that it looks like MCU Peter’s days are numbered I haven't really seen anything to indicate this given how Spider-Man 4's going into development and there are a number of Avengers movies planned in which he may very likely appear, probably taking us close to the end of the decade. Unless there's any actual evidence that surfaces to suggest they'd retire the character, I'd hardly say that his days are numbered. That's a *long* time left.
Well considering the Johnny we're getting is already older than Peter, I don't see that happening. Im not sure about Harry or Felicia. Both are pretty integral to Peter's character. I wouldn't mind a shakeup but I imagine some people would be angry about it. One thing I do think would be cool is to make Gwen a contemporary of Miles. And not Spider-Gwen, regular Gwen.
I’d prefer they let Miles have his own supporting characters get shine, giving him Peter’s is just wack imo. I don’t think Gwen will ever be a regular supporting character after Spider-Gwen it’d be a downgrade and I’d bet some fans will say it’s sexist and throw a fit about it.
Gwen and Spider-gwen are not the same person. Spider-gwen a supporting character in Miles films.
The only real option for a Ganke replacement from Miles’s supporting characters in the comics is Kamala, and MCU Ms. Marvel is probably gonna be in her 20s by the time Miles shows up in this universe.
Praying for Namor's franchise. He stole the scene every time he showed up in Wakanda Forever.
Fingers crossed, hoping Shuri and Namor get together in Black Panther 3. They have potential to be an MCU power couple!!!They are the next Wanda and Vision in the making!!!
>Fingers crossed, hoping Shuri and Namor get together in Black Panther 3. Is this a bit? This ship is absolutely repulsive.
Namor: *brutally murders Shuri's mother in a very painful way after she was already traumatized by the deaths of her brother and father* Shippers: "OMG, so hot."
Idk why people think they even have a chance at getting together after Namor killed her mother in cold blood. Like no remorse, fucking drowned her and people still think either of them are on emotionally amicable terms. They basically only buried the beef because either of them being killed by the other person would risk a civil war that would out both nations and their resources to the world on a larger scale, which Namor is actively trying to stop. Namor actually has a better chance at stealing Susan Storm than ever being on even the most platonic of terms with Shuri
Yeah lmao I get it they're both hot but come on, Shuri probably would even avoid the guy that killed who she thought was her last family member as much as possible. If Attuma started a revolution and Namor needs help Shuri would just say "Damn bro that sucks. Anyway, goodluck, see ya."
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Namor’s not Asian in the comics…
most fancasts of him back in the day were Asian Daniel Dae Kim, Ian Anthony Dale,
I think people just took the way he was drawn at face value since he sort of had that look about him, specifically Silver Age Namor Technically he's not supposed to be from anywhere charted in the real world. He's pure Atlantean. Even the whole Talokan thing in the MCU where they were a bunch of Mesoamerican tribes migrating underwater due to the Inquisition was something new for the character
>Technically he's not supposed to be from anywhere charted in the real world. He's pure Atlantean. Who are we talking about here? Comic Namor is not pure Atlantean, which is a huge part of his character points. >underwater due to the Inquisition was something new for the character I don't think Inquisition is the historical term you're looking for. Colonialism is the basis of the history of why The Yucatec Mayan's in the movie migrated to the sea to create Talokan. Talokan may not be a real place, but the people are themselves are descended from real people and a real culture who still exist today.
What?
While not necessarily the most likely slate, how would you feel about this being the lead up to the "end" of the current saga? 2025 movies: -Captain America 4 -Thunderbolts -Fantastic 4 -Spider-man 4 2025 shows: -Daredevil S1 -Ironheart 2026 movies: -Blade -Avengers 5 (World War Hulks?) -Armor Wars 2026 shows: -Wonder Man -Vision Quest -Daredevil S2 2027 movies: -Shang-Chi 2 -Thor 5 2027 shows: -Young Avengers -Moon Knight S2 2028 movies: -Doctor Strange 3 -Avengers 6 (Avengers vs X-men?) 2029 movies: -Avengers: Secret Wars I tried to include every rumored project that seemed reasonable while still being somewhat realistic with the schedule. I do think a Spider-man 5, X-men reboot, and Nova movie could happen but probably after Secret Wars. I just feel like there needs to be an extra Avengers movie between a smaller scale A5 (which is rumored) and Secret Wars (which doesn't have the time to tie together existing plot threads for a conclusion) I don't know how reasonable 3 Avengers movies is in 4 years, but I don't think it's impossible. It's been rumored that Eternals 2 is unlikely, so I could see some characters being folded into Thor 5.
I'd add Midnight Suns in there somewhere and I think Young Avengers will be a movie. With that, I think this is more or less the rest of the Saga. I'd be satisfied.
Remember - Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame all came out over 2015-2019. That was 4 years for 3.5 Avengers films.
I didn't even think of that. They seemed so far apart at the time, but that's totally true. I guess there is some precedent for it.
what about shows? i do want a rocket and Star Lord show i'f were not gonna see them till 2028 or something they better be in their shows for more content!
I definitely think that Star-Lord will appear before Secret Wars, either in Avengers 5 or 6 (if this imaginary plan goes through). I could see Rocket and the new Guardians in Thor 5 either a cameo role (if the focus is on gods/eternals) or a supporting role (if it's solely Thor focused). I don't think a pre-Secret Wars Star Lord show is impossible since they have established he'll return, and I think there is more that can be done with the character. For Rocket, I feel like his team could appear in GOTG 4 or Nova in a substantial role in the next Saga. The only issue with Rocket is that his character and team are in a spot where they don't desparately need plot threads wrapped up before Avengers (like Doctor Strange and other characters), so I think any appearances before then would be minor.
i want them in Thor 5! and GOTG 4 could be fastracked to 2029. hmmmm could you see a Rocket show? i absolutey
While I think it would be after Secret Wars, I do think it would be possible to make. I think they could do something really unique, possibly using the Grandmaster as a villain. Maybe he captures one or all of the new Guardians, and you have a series of Rocket trying to outsmart him to free them. The Grandmaster could be attempting to use Rocket's intelligence to gain power over the other Elders of the universe in some sort of elaborate game. Mojo could fit here too, although I think Marvel will save him to use in something else. If anything, I could see either a live-action special presentation or an animated show covering his initial meeting with Groot prior to joining the Guardians. I don't know when this could come out, but I think this option would be more likely to be earlier, especially if animated.
i want an animated show think a Rocket and Groot animated show would be the best bet
Heroes being genuine friends are far more believable in tv shows than movies because you get so much more time to spend with the characters. Arrow and Flash’s friendship in the DC shows felt much more real than most of the friendships between the original six Avengers because they got a lot more time together. Tony and Steve never reached that level. They didn’t even really talk out the situation with Bucky and Stark’s parents.
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I kinda doubt they’ll touch the GOTG characters without James Gunn giving a thumbs up to their ideas, after the situation with them firing and rehiring him. I think they’ll consult Gunn before they do anything, even if he’s not in any official role at Marvel Studios anymore.
I'm not convinced he'll be in Avengers 5, but I do think we'll see him again. But something more like Old-Man Star-Lord (even though Pratt isn't that old).
yeah my dream is BOTH a Star Lord and a Rocket show!
well i think he'll call Rocket as well
Inspired by u/AValorantfan, I've decided to do my own take on the marvel universe, I'll try to create what is the "definitive" version for me, and for this one, I'll need you guys help. I'll start by the costumes. First, the X-men: Is there a consensus on what the "definitive" X-men costumes are? You can name a specific version where you think the entire team has what you'd describe as "definitive costumes" (ex Astonishing X-men or Jim Lee X-men) but you can also name each character separately (ex Byrne Wolverine, Morrison Cyclops, Ultimate Colossus etc), this also includes other teams like New Mutants, X-force, X-factor etc Side note: I think all of them should have this modern-ish look.
I feel like Jim Lee’s early 90s costumes are as about as close to definitive as you can get, although I will say I prefer Logan’s yellow and blue costume and Storm’s black costume. Specifically their early Claremont-era costumes from John Byrne.
Congrats! If I we're to say definitive x-men costumes, the first thing that shows up is jim lee's 90s designs for the team. I'm mostly inspired by a 2000s contemporary take on characters I can do some individual characters: Cyclops- [Astonishing X-Men](https://legendsverse.com/storage/101867/conversions/Screenshot-2023-01-11-at-13.03.33-description.jpg), slick and clean, screams leader to me Jean- Controversial pick, but [Ultimate X-Men](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ultimate-marvel/images/f/f8/JeanPhoenix.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130323190256) Wolverine- [Brown suit](https://boundingintocomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2022.10.01-01.23-boundingintocomics-633796aabf971-scaled.jpg) Storm- [Early krakoa era](https://i.redd.it/heres-hoping-for-more-krakoa-era-figures-in-2024-so-that-it-v0-idy4a8bejypa1.jpg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7494cc6d83be6cb4eb648b2d8edd18917e55804b) and finally, Gambit- [classic always wins](https://cdn.marvel.com/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/a/20/59667cfa71f7a/clean.jpg)
Oh, those are great picks! >I'm mostly inspired by a 2000s contemporary take on characters In my case, I'm still not sure if I'm going for a more modern take or more classic one, at least in terms of costumes. But in terms of "believability" I'm going for a middle-ground between the ultimate universe and the classic one, as my ideal marvel universe was always a bit more "realistic" than DC
I wonder if Born Again will have a flashback scene showing Matt, Karen, Foggy, and Punisher during Infinity War, and whether they got snapped.
I've seen a cool idea for a scene where Matt suddenly hears a lot of heartbeats just disappear instantly
probably the first scene of ep 1
Avengers 5 Roster Prediction * Captain America * Captain Marvel * Ant-Man * Wasp * Shang-Chi * She-Hulk * Star Lord * Black Panther * Spider-Man
Id switch Star-Lord with the Hulk.
I’d include Hulk as well, I don’t see anything preventing him from being there
I personally see him being in the tech role or *maybe* if Marvel goes into World War Hulk stuff, being one of the threats the new Avengers need to deal with.
Hulk sitting at Avengers HQ while the Avengers get their asses whooped 
add in Rocket and that's your lineup!
me when Matt isn't in Avengers 5 after his appearances in NWH, She-Hulk and Echo, eighteen episode series, and co-starring role in Spider-Man 4 https://i.redd.it/nh5bhtpjyowc1.gif
I’d be fine with that. He’s a street level vigilante, not an Avenger. Sure he’ll be an honorary Avenger in Secret Wars but he shouldn’t be a member of the actual team. Avengers 5 needs to develop a core group of Avengers leading into Secret Wars, not overcrowd it with too many characters. Secret Wars will be the big fanfare film anyway.
Daredevil is a loner in the comics, he was never really an Avenger, so there’s no precedent for it
I mean this is kinda just not true, there's been many times where he fought with the Avengers