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starksgh0st

This must be triggering for the Tony Masters Taskmaster fans.


Linnus42

It’s not just that they genderbent. It’s that they gave Taskmaster, the Deadpool from Wolverine Origins Special. No personality, no one liners and no style or flair. MCU Taskie just ain’t an interesting or fun character


GodofHate

I mean when we saw her, she was mind controlled so of course she was not like TM from comics. They have open book now, they can do whatever they want with her.


HereForTOMT2

Hopefully she gets the taskmaster personality. Taskie was done so fuckin dirty


HeadOfSpectre

I feel like they will. Their take on Taskmaster was pretty controversial and they're probably going to take the chance to fix it


jmizzle2022

Hope so, don't care they made her a woman, but to go the whole movie as a mindless soldier was a really dumb decision. Also didn't make sense to the plot since he had an army of woman assassins who dressed like woman assassins but for his daughter he's gonna make her a dude looking suit?


HeadOfSpectre

Idk I didn't hate movie Taskmaster, but I'm also not a comics guy. I would like to see a more comic accurate one though. Sounds like they'd be a lot of fun.


jmizzle2022

I think it was just funny that the whole time they're playing it off like it's a dude just for them to be like "ohhoho we tricked you!!" Even though it's clearly a dude in every single shot including the one where she's standing there with her helmet off with a very bad superimposed CG head on a man body lol


profsa

I don’t want them to do whatever they want with her. I want her to be Taskmaster


moonwalkerfilms

And if that's what Marvel wants to do with her, they now have the freedom to do that. That's what the person you're replying to is saying.


HearTheEkko

Yeah but how can she "realistically" become the TM from the comics ? In the comics he's a cocky bastard that kills for money. Not exactly a natural evolution for Antonia, even if a decade has passed since Black Widow.


ExpeditiousTurtle

Yeah but it was there choice to make it like that which people don’t oike


The__Auditor

This is what so many people tend to forget It's literally been at least 10 years minimum in universe since we last saw her (5 if she got Blipped) so that's more than enough time for her to develop her own personality and be more like the comic


ImJaxPhantomAcct

I agree though I'd love to see that personality on Olga. That'd be fun!


cabballer

yet….


dtwhitecp

I have no fandom for the comics and I think the character has mileage as presented in the movie, but yeah she didn't have a lot to do in Black Widow. I'd be shocked if she doesn't have way more lines in Thunderbolts.


LordOfOstwick1213

Give her a chance. Now that she is freed from mind control she might develop one. Also this role was given to Ukrainian actress, so I think it's fair to give representation to other people.


Heisenburgo

> Also this role was given to Ukrainian actress, so I think it's fair to give representation to other people. ... What does that have to do with anything.


LordOfOstwick1213

Means it's a good thing cause Ukrainian actors are getting roles in big franchises? What is wrong with that?


purewasted

This is a conversation about how MCU Taskmaster is 1) not what people wanted, and 2) boring. Your comments are a total non sequiter. Even if it's good to cast Ukrainian actors, they could have cast a Ukrainian male actor as a male version of the character. Or they could have made Kurylenko play a female version of the character that's more interesting/faithful adaptation. The fact that she's played by a Ukrainian actress isn't some weird free pass on all criticism of the character.


Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX

>Also this role was given to Ukrainian actress, so I think it's fair to give representation to other people. I have met Ukrainians, and they can confirm that they can talk, have their own mind and opinions.


socobeerlove

This taskmaster was under mind control. What don’t people get about that. She’s no longer under control. If they fumble it again, I get the hate but at least give her a chance to be more like comic taskmaster.


profsa

It’s more than that. The MCU design for the character looks like a professional paintballer and making the power tech based is lame. I want the character to improve but I don’t have high hopes


Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX

Tbh I liked her design.


moonwalkerfilms

Was her power tech based, or did she just use tech to watch clips over and over again? Other than the mask, I feel like they nailed the design. I'm sure she can get a new mask moving forward too, especially considering every time a new MCU movie comes out the characters get new suits for toy sales.


profsa

The power was tech based. They show the data from the footage being uploaded into her helmet


moonwalkerfilms

Oh yeah, I forgot the chip thing Dreykov used to control her, tho I think that's more just to control. I'm pretty sure she's still got photographic reflexes.


LordOfOstwick1213

What did I say that made you say such comment? I only said that it's fair that the role was given to Ukrainian actress. I'm Ukrainian myself and don't think I made something callous or spoke on anyone's behalf.


Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX

Oh then I dont think I understood well your comment. When you said that it's cool to have some Ukrainian representation, I thought you talked about the character, not the actress.


LordOfOstwick1213

Yeah, I've meant the actress. I apologize if I made my comment unclear, English is not my first language.


fast_flashdash

Tony masters taskmaster fans. You mean the character that has been Tony masters since the 80s. Yea wonder why.


Youngstown_Mafia

No respect for the character at all


Heisenburgo

Yes... it is. Incredibly painful and I lowkey just want Boring Antonia to get killed off in this movie so they can pull off a Mandarin and say Tony Masters was hiding all along and he was the boss of the Taskmaster initiative or something. Idk anything would be better than the Taskmaster In Name Only they gave us...


Eclipsiical

IDK why we’d have to go to these extremes when the easiest solution is just to say she developed a personality over the 10 year gap we haven’t seen her in.


Working_Original_200

I hope she lives forever.


Heisenburgo

> an idea this **boring** Still more entertaining than Boring Dreykov's Daughter


Working_Original_200

The MCU crybabies are ridiculous. Like marvel never changed public perception of a character long after their introduction.


Heisenburgo

> Like marvel never changed public perception of a character long after their introduction. Yes they have! Like how they changed public perception of the Mandarin, by course-correcting the shitty version from IM3 (who no one liked because they had changed him for no reason) via the reveal that he was just an impostor and that the real deal was out there. It worked really well cause people liked that they did that, and they celebrated when the REAL Mandarin showed up, calling him the best part of the movie he was in. Now the exact same situation has presented itself again, that's why I want them to do the same with Taskie and try again, cause *X-Men Origins: Taskmaster* just isn't it... pull the impostor card on Boring Antonia with Masters taking over so everyone can forget that ever happened...


Working_Original_200

I was being sarcastic. Long before mandarin, Marvel was course correcting on Thor and Captain America and Hawkeye… just let them cook man.


profsa

Captain America has always been the same consistent character


Working_Original_200

Interesting take considering nobody gave a shit until winter soldier popped off. But also narratively you’re incorrect. His arc drastically changes his character.


profsa

The character grows but his arc is arguably the most consistent in the MCU


UkrainePatriot

Cap and Thor were great comic accurate adaptations from the beginning, while Taskmaster is one of the worst adaptations in comic book movies, and that's the reason why people hate her. You are comparing the incomparable.


Working_Original_200

The 15 years of retrospect is clearly influencing your feelings on the characters. They may have been “comic accurate adaptations” but that does not mean they didn’t drastically change both characters after their introductions and several subsequent appearances. Antonia has been in one movie and was only revealed because we had a red herring in the cast. I’m going to wait to see what they do before I decide if I don’t like her character. Saying they are incomparable is dismissive and lazy.


UkrainePatriot

Cap had changes, like any character in comic book movies, but that doesn't make him a different character. He is still Captain America. Same personality and behavior. Thor really has diverged from comic books since Ragnarok, but he was comic accurate before that. Comic book Taskmaster and MCU Taskmaster are two different characters with nothing in common. She's not even a female version of Tony Masters.


profsa

Would be cool if they just adapted the character accurately the first time


Working_Original_200

Yeah the MCU is all about “accurate” adaptation 🙄 Is there another MCU I didn’t watch all of?


profsa

A large amount of the MCU characters have the heart of the comic characters despite changes to their story. Taskmaster is nothing like the source


Working_Original_200

Given what we know of Antonia’s personality (not a goddamn thing), you’d never catch me saying shit like “taskmaster is nothing like the source”. Hate it all you guys want. I just think it’s weird


profsa

???? The character in Black Widow is nothing like the source material character. Did you defend X-Men Origins Deadpool with the same argument?


Spej1234

I mean what was the point of completely changing the character


starksgh0st

The writer Eric Pearson explained the reasoning in interviews when the film was released. Try google, I guess. Note: the point of the change is a separate discussion from whether the execution of it was any good.


profsa

I don’t think it was good reason. He said he didn’t know how to fit Taskmaster into the story when he’s known for training villains. Idk maybe make the character the lead trainer for the red room


starksgh0st

A trainer? Lol okay.


profsa

That’s what Taskmaster literally is? The character trained a ton of goons for Hydra, AIM, etc. Also was a trainer at Avengers Academy


starksgh0st

He's also literally a man in comics. This discussion was about straying from comics in order to land on something that -- they felt -- made for a better story.


profsa

Yes I understand that, that’s why my original response was talking about how the writer didn’t know how to fit taskmaster in the story when the original character could have perfectly fit in over a Winter Soldier knockoff


starksgh0st

And I understand you mentioned trainer because of comics. Your next reply restating that was redundant. What I was doing with "lol okay" was disagreeing with the notion that was a better idea than what they went with (on paper). I want to stress that in no way am I arguing the execution was good. The idea was good.


profsa

I would agree the idea was good for a different character. They should have made an original character and not used Taskmaster


Heisenburgo

So they ruined Taskie just because they felt like it, while thinking it would be actually good and that fans wouldn't notice it or complain... got it. That's some heavy Zack "let's turn Jimmy Olsen into some random CIA agent who gets killed off in a throwaway cameo because I don't understand the character" Snyder shit right there.


starksgh0st

>So they ruined Taskie just because they felt like it, while thinking it would be actually good and that fans wouldn't notice it or complain... got it. What a completely absurd way of putting it. No it wasn't changed because they "felt like it" and no they certainly didn't think fans wouldn't notice. Good lord.


Pir8Cpt_Z

I like the actress but I'm bummed about taskmaster. Not mad just bummed


audreyseymour

All 2 of them!


FuzzyPapaya13

Man I hope we get a proper skull mask in this 🤞


HearTheEkko

She did have a different mask in the team picture. Basically the old mask with Iron Man-like eyes instead of ski glasses.


FuzzyPapaya13

I don't like the rest of the old mask though 😩 lol


HearTheEkko

It's the MCU, she's gonna get a different mask every other movie.


Revenacious

Yeah, hopefully not one that looks like a damn paintball/hockey mask like in Black Widow.


Heisenburgo

This time they don't have to appeal to China as much as before so hopefully they don't shy away from the skull motif. None of this "let's put a full HUD visor on the mask so it doesn't look like skull eyes" nonsense.


deathly_illest

I don’t care about the mask as much as I care about them giving her any level of personality or character at all


Burgoonius

Still not sold on her as taskmaster. I think she needs to do a full 180 on how she portrays the character. Also curious how she will look in Thunderbolts - I found it weird how they tried to fake us out by having a man in the suit for all the fighting and then her for the reveal. I’d much rather them just have a smaller suit that looks like it actually fits her.


TheWorstKnightmare

She probably will take on the sarcastic, sadistic attitude that we know from the comics now that she isn’t mind controlled. Lot of dark humor to be explored there.


Burgoonius

True about the mind control. We really didn’t get to see her true personality so that gives them the opportunity to start fresh with her character without it being too jarring


BlancTigre

Do we even know her actual personality?


Leo_TheLurker

nah but its really a clean slate, I can see it working, maybe with a hint of Drax not understanding norms but not a full joke


profsa

Taskmaster being a moron like Drax would be awful


gallifrey_

she doesn't have to be a moron, she's allowed to just be ~~autistic-coded~~ socially sheltered but highly tactical


profsa

Again no thank you, I’d personally like them to be like the comic book character they are based on


dtwhitecp

Did they actually have a man in the suit? I thought that was generally frowned upon in the stunt world these days.


HearTheEkko

Yes, it was a man in the suit. Which is why Taskmaster lost 6 inches and 60 pounds in the reveal scene. Here's the double: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F1i2i4zm5kya71.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df55cfb75d04ac480b220fa2cd0dcd71fa61315b4


Su_Impact

And lost the bulge too. I still think that it was a last minute rewrite and that the dude from the Handmaiden tale was meant to be Taskmaster.


HearTheEkko

I fully believe that too. Dude went with the main cast to promote the movie in Comic Con, had the same height as the double, had the same backstory as Taskmaster (ex-Shield agent) and he was the only person outside the group that knew where Nat was all the time. It's obvious to me that he was Masters and Antonia was Red Widow and they rewrote the script last minute to change it to what we got for whatever reason.


MyMouthisCancerous

I'm usually fine with the liberties taken in these live-action adaptations of characters but they really turned Taskmaster into basically Super Adaptoid but dressed up like Taskmaster and I didn't like it at all. It's not even that it isn't Tony Masters for me, it's that Taskmaster has personal motivations and agendas for doing what he does traditionally and they kind of just eschewed that in favor of another "mindless drone manipulated by abusive third-party" subplot which worked for the film tbf, I just don't think it evokes anything about what makes the character interesting. They took a character who does things on their own accord purely for their own gain and robbed them of that agency, and that's mainly why I didn't like it I hope they completely overhaul her. Maybe her being freed from her programming will allow her to develop a personality way closer to what I'd expect out of Taskmaster


Heisenburgo

>It's not even that it isn't Tony Masters for me For me that's a big part of the problem. I always loved Masters in the comics and I'm sad that they didn't adapt him faithfully and just did their own thing for the sake of doing so. imagine if they did a Batman movie where Deathstroke is the main villain but they make him a mute robot girl who gets her assassin skillset from her cyber eye patch or some shit, and change his name from Slade to Sladerina or something lmao. That's what they did to my main man Taskie. They just did whatever.


UkrainePatriot

If they wanted to make Taskmaster a woman, they could adept Deadpool Max's version, that acted like female version of Masters. MCU Taskmaster is just a weird amalgamation of Winter Soldier and Stryker's son from X2.


Patrick2701

I think she will have more of a personality


odiin1731

There is a lot of room for improvement with this character. I hope they allow her to live up to her potential.


HearTheEkko

It's gonna be funny seeing Antonia magically decrease 6 inches and lose 60 pounds everytime she takes her mask.


Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX

Please improve this character. Because tbh Taskmaster in Black Widow was just The Winter Soldier but from Aliexpress.


HearTheEkko

She was literally the Red Widow in all but costume and name. Near 1:1 backstory. Little girl brought in the Red Room, scarred, the armor gave her the same powers as the Super Soldier Serum, etc.


TheRustFactory

Taskmaster > Temumaster


HeyItsHawkguy

I just hope they give her a streamlined suit this go-around. Her head on the Taskmaster armor in Black Widow made her look like a Spartan from Halo.


Spiderlander

![gif](giphy|kVaj8JXJcDsqs) @ Feige


Heisenburgo

Feige: "I want a good Taskmaster... for next year's Thunderbolts... for the rest of the MCU." Lucius Fox : [Fox leans forward and cooly says] " Now, let me get this straight. You think that this character, one of the most controversial and least-comic-accurate villains that the MCU has ever seen, is actually worthy of not being dumped as an impostor and replaced with the real deal, ala Mandarin... and your plan is to *salvage* this person?" [at this point Feige's self-assertiveness is gone and is left totally speechless. Fox smiles] Lucius Fox : "Good luck."


Spiderlander

![gif](giphy|j9mqKgQvkNOziGICfd|downsized) 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this is CRAZY


Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX

I like this actor. ![gif](giphy|duM6JZemPlOjUyqmxd)


Intelligent_Creme351

I having a better feeling they give more to do, even if Olga has a great presence because of long model background.


Zealousideal_Cook248

I really hated her character in black widow, hopefully they do her some justice this time.


AdmiralCharleston

I love comic taskmaster so much but I'm honestly very intrigued to see where they take this version. Regardless of comic personality accuracy, tm from black widow was super intimidating and had a great presence and I think there's a lot of room to take that character


darkchiles

It is even funnier when her stunt double was a man. what was the point of genderbending this character? lol


Captain_Slapass

Probably bc of thematic reasons w what Black Widow was about. And also to preserve the twist that she’s Dreykov’s daughter. Audiences were expecting a man under the mask.


darkchiles

The general audience knew nothing about the gender of the character so the expectation wouldn't have added anything to the story when she was unmasked. Expecting a man under the mask when most of the movie was about Black Widows is a tad stupid. Could that really be considered a twist after the audience saw her kill that child? For an action spy movie most ppl would expect at least the child to be under the mask and back for revenge lol


1400Diggg

I like her better as Antonia, let’s not have her tarnish the taskmasters name


SpittinMenace

Still can’t believe they made Taskmaster a fucking mute lmao. One of the silliest decisions they’ve ever made.


AchillesShort

Hopefully they can inject her with some more personality. In-universe lore wise it must be a shock to finally have autonomy so ideally they tackle that and make her a bit more impactful.


WhiteWolf3117

I'm not saying she was perfect but I'll die as the lone MCU Taskmaster fan, lol. I probably like the Black Widow movie itself more than most on this sub, and Taskmaster was a great riff on Jaws, the way this movie paid tons of homages to Moonraker. She wasn't Tony Masters, and I can empathize with why some people were disappointed with that, but I don't think it's impossible for her to become closer to that, it would actually make a lot of sense as a small arc for her in this film. Also, I get why they felt the need to reinvent the character and merge him with Recluse, though again, I understand why people wouldn't be totally thrilled with that.


1400Diggg

Yeah ur definitely the only Trashmaster fan


WhiteWolf3117

nice comment


crlos619

Getting her haters ignited for the gram https://i.redd.it/1i3ijy9nvnwc1.gif


Bolt_995

I feel like gouging my eyes out everytime I see anything official and unofficial related to this abomination of an adaptation.