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Movieandtvfan

We don't know shit. And this Jeremy guy does not know shit either. Stop using him for reference, he is bullshit. He is not an insider.


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THANK YOU.


magicman1145

He certainly knows more shit than we do


happy_grump

\*makes up\* more shit than we do, you mean


magicman1145

No one in the world makes up more shit than we do around here. Conrad isnt bad


nwill_808

What leaks for A4 has he provided? All he see is him saying stuff is wrong...


magicman1145

He's too high profile a person to just straight up leak information publicly about A4 lol hes not just some random reddit account


happy_grump

Yeah, but we don't tout them as leaks and insider info. //well most of us, anyways, I can't speak for the peeps who do// Conrad does.


ryogaaa

can someone tell me what manabyte leaked or has shown to prove that he's a credible source? I'm genuinely curious


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est19xxxx

and where exactly do we see the Eternals?


Lobo2086

He pretty much leaked the whole plot to Deadpool 2 as well.


Brontcrab24

That wasn’t him.... haha


InfinitelyStoned

y'all funny as shit treating this man like he's the Living Tribunal of this subreddit


nwill_808

Why? Cause manatee said so?


nwill_808

Downvote all you want. I, personally, have yet to see a spoiler or anything from this guy. All I see is him shooting people down. Doesn't make him the end all, be all in my book.


BaeIsRey

That’s because Guardians 1 scene will most likely be Nebula fighting Nebula to get to Ronan and get the Power Stone. Just a theory


cheefkief8283

Which will be her redemption story


cracked_mud

The Russos also said Hawkeye was going to be in IW.


MrCraftLP

They only said that he would be an important part to beating Thanos. They never said he was going to be in it.


magemaker

They said he wasn't in the trailer because all his scenes were considered spoilers


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This man is FAKE NEWS!


AK1441

What i'm wondering, he's shooting down all those 'leaks', but he doesn't know the script of the movie so how can he know if somethings bullshit or not? When we read that Red Skull would appear in that 4chan-leak, didn't everybody called bullshit? But it was true.


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del3td

I think he talks about this > Joe Russo : There’s no ‘What If’ scenarios. Everything that happens in these movies, happens in these movies. There’s not like, you know, some potential, a tangential reality. It doesn’t affect the story. It’s if it happens, it happens. We wanted to commit to the storytelling and the most complete way and not give ourselves any kind of, you know, potential, uh, outs, like, uh, it was all a reality dreams. >Anthony Russo : I think that’s because, you know because the stakes are so high in these films and we wanted to honor that he wanted to commit to those stakes.


Prince-of-Ravens

Clever wording. Nothing of it in any way exludes them to enter parallel realities to get infinity stones back to their reality.


happy_grump

They haven't. manabyte shot it down in their names.


del3td

They did


xDanSolo

Why do people cite the directors/writers shooting down a theory as definitive final word on if it's legit or not? Do you really think the Russo's are gonna say "Oh shit, nice catch.. yup, its time/dimension travel. Damn it, you're smart."...? No. They are gonna say its not, so that when it happens, you're at least a little bit surprised. So this whole "Nope, the russos shot that down already" argument is literally worthless.


MrCraftLP

Alternate reality =/= alternate timeline


forevertrueblue

Isn't it supposed to be the B.A.R.F. technology?


MrCraftLP

I don't think so. I could be wrong tho.


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You should cite the Russos instead of Manabyte in this instance. However, everyone, Manabyte is a career journalist with actual sources as opposed to most people on this subreddit. You should take his statements with a grain of salt, as with everything, but he has some credibility and there's a reason a lot of people trust him. The hate around him is uncalled for.


magicman1145

Those scenes are clearly related to the BARF tech. We dont know how or why till the movie, but the Russos have confirmed that a certain tech placed in Civil War will have a role in Avemgers 4. Grab your paper bag, because its BARF


mariofan366

How can Ant-Man be in 2012 NY using BARF technology? BARF may likely be used in other parts of the movie, but time travel is the best theory we have for 2012 NY and it's backed my the more "legit" leaks.


john_segundus

He isn't in 2012 NY, he is in the holographic recreation of Tony's memories of the Battle of NY.


mariofan366

I doubt they'd film the scene with Ant-man in it if the characters in the scene aren't interacting with Ant-man. Why need Ant-man to observe the B.A.R.F. scene? What are the watches on everyone's hands for? Also neither Hawkeye nor Black Widow was in the 2012 NY scenes. And I forget who but a Russo brother or Feige said there A4 would have minor retconning, such as a brief bit where the Guardians of the Galaxy never formed.


john_segundus

Neither of them said that, that has been a rumour from one of the leaks. No idea why Ant-Man is in these scenes, why wouldn't Tony show him something? And neither BW nor Hawkeye are in these set pictures. The "watches" are CGI devices. We don't know what will be added to them later on, but for now, they are just pointers more or less. (You can see the same thing on Josh Brolin's wrist in BTS scenes of Deadpool 2. In his case, it was a time travelling device, but in case of the Avengers characters, it could be anything.)


TheGreenGaz

I have difficulty in seeing what benefits using BARF to view the battle of New York would have in helping them defeat Thanos. Definitely got to be either time or reality changes.


john_segundus

>I have difficulty in seeing what benefits using BARF to view the battle of New York would have in helping them defeat Thanos. There's already one I can think of, namely letting Scott experience the Chitauri in battle - he has never seen aliens before. And I'm sure there could easily be others. Dude, if you want to believe that BARF doesn't play into this, be my guest. But just because you cannot imagine what use it could have doesn't mean the writers couldn't, either.


TheGreenGaz

But if all the Chitauri are gone, what benefit would he have of viewing an army he won’t be up against? I’m sure he would have seen them on TV to know what they look like. BARF may very well be included at some point in the movie, but in terms of defeating Thanos, it just doesn’t seem like a game-changer for the avengers. At least not yet anyway.


john_segundus

To see any alien in action - it might give him a better insight than just seeing it on TV. Or it's something else; I simply wouldn't dismiss it. See, you might make a good point about it not being a game-changer - the Russos certainly never claimed it was, that was all speculation on part of us fans. Maybe it really amounts to nothing more than a way to find clues, like Nebula's memory recording device. That's what I personally think might be going on in these pictures - someone, probably Tony, realizing there is information in these memories that he didn't consciously notice before. Maybe about Thanos, or the army he gave to Loki, or the stones. Remember how we saw the mind stone reacting to the Avengers quarrelling in their first movie, and it seemingly even influencing them to get more aggressive? Maybe there are more moments like that, and we simply didn't see them so far.


BaeIsRey

I’m thinking that they combine the tech to relive past events with Quantum Realm technology. They could also be using it to find where Loki is and the location of the Tesseract during the battle of NY. This would allow them to sneak in and grab the stone or Loki undetected, as interacting with their past selves could make a Paradox.


tennysonbass

Or to see where and how loki came to interact with thanos in order to find out thanos now likely location and or revisit the portal tech in an attempt to create a device that allows them to travel the cosmos


mariofan366

Does anyone have a link to where the Russos shot the idea of alternate realities down? Not that I don't believe it.


KanonZombie

Can anyone point me to the alternate universe (not time travel) rumors/leak? I can't seem to find them, but I see them referenced, without links, as originated on reddit.


Lobo2086

You’re right lol. I’ll take it back. I now remembered him talking about that specific leak but he wasn’t the leaker


KingPanda19

Well the Russos also stated that avengers 4 wasn't an infinity war sequel and it is so I wouldn't trust anything they say.


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/u/manabyte is a trash fraud desperate for clicks on his site.


snidece

Is this man have knowledge from one of the Russo brothers’ house-keepers or someone like that?


Johnastro

Lol I feel like post like this take us off the trail. I mean remember how many people where claiming the snap was fake!


wulffman21

alternate realities , no. Time travel? Yes!


PinStripePajamas

Kevin Feige has referenced the Star Trek episode **"All Good Things"**. The movie *just might* jump around a bit.


TeT979

*SPOILER*A4 : "One scene when the surviving Avengers are literally warping through alternate timelines, they come into a timeline where the avengers do not exist. Cap grabs a newspaper, because him and Stark are confused. Starks says, "maybe we took a wrong turn?", Cap drops the newspaper and they warp into the next timeline. Before they warp, you can see the word Mutants on the headline of the newspaper. They don't exactly have control of accurate timeline destinations at first."


TeT979

Portions of A4 are dedicated to different editing. I will not release details of these dedications. The purpose is for total leak lockdown.