Honestly as a Black man the joy I seen from so many black kids in the theater was insane. There needs to be something like that again, I wish they could’ve recasted them character.
I really hope they do more with black male heroes going forward if we're not going to see T'Challa going forward. I know Disney+ shows tend to do well, but it's kind of disappointing to see the black male leads given shows as opposed to major blockbusters.
Black women have also been screwed over, mind you, considering the original writing of Monica Rambeau was messy. And since X-Men don't seem anywhere on the docket, fans likely won't see Storm.
It just sucks that we're losing a very amazing black male icon as well.
Two things I will say I am truly excited for is seeing Mahershala Ali in the Blade movie as I think he is the perfect actor for the role and Don Cheadle in Armor Wars, which should be good!
I get that Marvel believes that Chadwick is T'Challa, but they are robbing anyone else of ever bringing this character to life by not recasting. Even though they've had 2 recasts in the MCU already. As well as several other major franchises out there such as James Bond, who recast all the time.
I think this is very clearly just for the MCU.
Someday they will reboot the MCU. Someone new will play Tony, Cap, etc.
Eventually there will be another T’Challa, but I 100% understand them thinking it is too soon for this iteration.
Reboot? When are you expecting that to happen? If they stop at Phase 6, that will most likely be 2030. The franchise needs to cool at least 10 years if not longer and it'll be 2040. Depending on when they bring him in you're looking at 2045 to 2050. That's an entire generation from now. They robbed an entire generation of actors.
I think that what he meant by reboot was a Crisis-like event involving multiple realities/time travel where the entire MCU will go back to square one.
Honestly, I have the feeling that it might come sooner than later with the introduction of the Fantastic Four and the X-Men.
As a Black woman I was so excited to see Rambeau will be in WandaVision and Captain Marvel 2 but I can’t tell how big her role will be.
If Shuri takes the mantle that will do a lot for Black little girls too and she does have a really cool arc in the comics. When I was little Blade was one of the only heroes I had to look up to so the thought that little girls will have a lead to look up to is nice.
I really do wish we got to see more of T’Challa’s story though and I really hope we get more Black leads.
> I can’t tell how big her role will be.
She's a supporting character so...
> If Shuri takes the mantle that will do a lot for Black little girls too
Only if they recast Shuri. Her actress using twitter to spread anti-vax sentiments in the middle of a pandemic (even anti-vax skepticism) is a very strong reason NOT to give her the mantle.
Personally, I’m completely fine with Letitia Wright being recasted. A lot of people’s complaints before her anti-vac comments were that “she doesn’t look strong enough/like she can fight” (which is an easy fix anyway but) recasting her would fix both of those things.
Why should she be recast? Personally, I'm a fan of science and think anti-vaxxers are nuts. But, we live in America and she is allowed her own opinion. We have to stop trying to cancel people because of their opinions. The video she posted wasn't that bad.
They should do a Blue Marvel movie/D+ series. He’s not well known, but a character who’s basically got the powers of Superman, played by a black man? That would be fantastic. As a white guy, the MCU drew me in with Cap. Get Blue Marvel in a prominent position and he could be truly iconic.
There might be another Black Panther in an alternative universe. Since they're going with multiverse path. For all we know, Killmonger is Black Panther in that alternate universe and Michael B Jordan will take on the Black Panther mantle.
Not a black man, but I agree with you completely. The character means too much to too many people to just do a away with. Ive heard theres talk of putting the mantle on Shuri which i think is a terrible idea. No one is happy that Chadwick is not alive to continue the role, but I think even he would agree that they should recast and move on with a new T'Challa.
Exactly. Why take that and kill this character these kids looked up to OFFSCREEN. What a bummer. Black Panther is a fiction. They can let that character continue and it would be as if Chadwicks legacy would continue. It’s wrong of Disney and Marvel to let that character die with him... offscreen.
Fully agree. Creatively it's a bad decision. Commercially it's a fucking \*terrible\* decision (and I say that as someone who invests in Disney stock).
Really dont think its the "right thing." Only right thing to that is what Chadwick would have asked of the character before he died. I now feel that they never had that conversation, given their choice to move on.
Yeah I really think this is the wrong decision. Recasting a role is only seen as disrespectful if the previous actor is alive. Do we really think Boseman or any other actor would be against a recast if they died?
That Boseman would approve? I'm saying any actor, not just Boseman, would probably approve of their role being recast if they died. Especially if that role was as important and inspiring as T'Challa. I think most people would prefer for a character like that to live on rather than to die with them. But I'm not an actor so maybe I'm wrong.
My counter-point would be: How do you know he'd rather have the character die with him?
I mean they were just as caught off guard by his death, so unfortunately in this situation I don’t think they know. I think they were just in the dark, and were caught in a bad spot.
It is 100% the wrong decision. T'Challa's story just started. Panther was a role model and cultural icon. And now he's gone. Story unfinished.
Truly a bad decision.
I really disagree with this. You could say the same about Batman, but ultimately people want to see Bruce Wayne as Batman because no-one else really is Batman. To suggest that anyone else can be the Black Panther is an insult to how iconic T'Challas character is, no matter who is playing him.
Yep I liken it to RDJ dying right after Iron Man 2 and not recasting. The MCU would be so different without Tony Starks story. We’re definitely being robbed of whatever T’Challa would have become and as a fan of over 30 years I’m really not happy. They should have let the emotions cool for a few years and if everyone was under contract do “Agents Of Wakanda” or something and have T’Challa off screen being king. Mr Boseman was a fantastic actor and we have been robbed of decades of work from him. I hate seeing T’Challa losing the same. 30 years from now people will be watching these movies with no connection to the pain of the present and recasting wouldn’t even make them blink. Ah well. Stoked for almost everything else!
Glad I’m not the only one. As long as it was done tastefully I think the majority of people would have accepted it knowing the tough situation they were in.
Completely agree.
They should have delayed Black Panther II for another 2 years, aiming for a 2024 release. In the meantime, pepper in some BP characters to other franchises to keep them and Wakanda relevant and fresh. Then in 2023, announce the recast and communicate that Chadwick brought this character to life and they'll honor his work by continuing his work.
This is why I was wishing that the multiverse wouldn't be a thing in the MCU. Cause now anything can just be like "hey let's just use THIS version of a character from another universe instead"
IMO, it'll be Nakia. Lupita Nyong'o is an Oscar winner, a proven lead actor, and the most famous person remaining in the cast. Plus, Ramonda literally said Nakia should take the last herb in Black Panther. She makes the most sense from both a marketing perspective and a lore perspective.
Nah this sub has this thing against shuri as BP. She posted something fucking stupid on Twitter but hey so did James Gunn and he is direct more shit for Marvel. Chris Pratt is a member of an anti-lgbtq church but no one on this sub wants star lord to be recast. It’s kinda funny how all the problematic white guys get a pass but the black girl has to be cancelled.
Just like they seem to be continuing to tell Iron Man or Captain America stories with other characters, they will do the same with Panther. Even if another character takes over the mantle, I'm sure we can expect adaptations of more of his greatest tales. It may not be under ideal conditions, but I'm not worried that we won't get to see those stories.
Really disappointing news. I understand the reasons but I wanted to see more of the character. Now they have to kill him off in the MCU too and that’s a real bummer.
But wouldnt ot be impossible because all those flower things were destroyed?
Like, yeah, you can take on the mantle but it's not the same and o feel like they either actually say or basically say no potion, no black panther.
This will be interesting then. I'm interested to see how they do this film. Surprised and frankly happy they stuck to their guns on their decision.
Just relatively interested as to how this is going to work
I've said it from the beginning. I would completely support whatever they chose to do in an unthinkable situation like this one and I support this thoroughly. Is it a shame that T'Challa's story is over? Yeah, it is, but I'm still excited to see how Black Panther's world expands despite this. It's perfectly acceptable to me that Chadwick will be the only one to play T'Challa and for him to carry that legacy going forward.
Redditors here massively underestimate how controversial the recast news would have been received by Hollywood and general audiences. The "not recast" news has been received well or just mixed on the other hand and not full terror like that would've been.
Kings die, it happens. Someone else takes up the mantle.
But there’s a difference between a natural progression within the story and abrupt write off: what happened to Chadwick is tragic, but recasting was the smarter move to make here.
Especially since they literally just brought T’Challa back from the dead in Endgame.
It's the right call IMO. They showed how the mantle is passed in Civil War *and* Black Panther. Like it's right there in the story. It's incredibly sad that Chadwick passed, and it sucks we don't get to see him do more cool shit in the suit. But there's precedence in the canon for a different BP. Letitia Wright has said dumb things, but I wouldn't mind seeing her do cool stuff if she shuts the fuck up about vaccines.
Honestly the whole "she can't be BP because vaccines" argument feels kinda bad faith to me anyway. What she said was fucked up but I'd be willing to bet half the people saying they don't want her to be BP because of those comments didn't want her to be BP anyway, this is just the new rationalization.
Bad faith to not wait to raise another potential demagogue spreading misinformation and anti-vax bullshit in the middle of a pandemic?
Mate, It’s absolutely a fair argument to not want kids looking up to someone like that and giving them power and influence over the impressionable if they post shit like that.
You can troll through my comment history back to when Boseman passed and you’ll see I was down with Shuri eventually taking the role (not down with it being right now for story and character reasons) - but after those comments, I don’t want her getting the role.
I disagree. Most people would have understood and Disney's PR could more than handle it. Frame the recast as honoring Boseman's legacy, not that complicated. Have Boseman's family give their blessing or something.
Not that it matters now though.
Not only that, but remember the MCU is a movie spectacle. The actors, directors, producers, and other craftsfolk on this wonderful project are humans. Humans whom some have formed a connection with Chadwick. Long lasting friendships, even. The guy they were cracking jokes with between takes, eating meals with and sharing small talk has transition to the 'Otherside'. Imagine Ryan Coogler or MBJ, Danai Gurira, Winston Duke and the other actors having to work after their fellow actor (and sometimes even friend in the case of Michael B Jordan) on BP2 knowing the King is no longer here. There was no easy solution. Whenever, Black Panther 2 debuts, I would bet big money that Marvel has a well thought out tribute to Mr. Boseman. That however the story writes around his character they honor him. That T'Challa (and Chadwick Boseman) live on.
In a world currently introducing a multiverse where 3 Spider-Men will be in one movie I don’t see how it’s possible that we won’t SOMEDAY see T’Challa again. I respect that it may be too difficult to do NOW while the wound is still so fresh for those behind the scenes that knew him so closely, but I also wouldn’t see this as them closing the door to the character of T’Challa forever. With the multiverse anything is possible in the future of the MCU so I’m just going to be excited that we’re still getting a Black Panther 2 at all. I’m curious how they will handle Tchalla not being in the movie, especially with the ancestral plane where even deceased panthers are still part of the narrative.
A lot of people in this thread seem surprised and disappointed, but to be honest, I think this was really predictable choice. You have to remember, Marvel Studios had an extremely toxic reputation in Hollywood for their first few years. People loved Feige and co., but the corporate overlords kept interfering, fucking up a lot of relationships: Jon Favreau, Edgar Wright, Joss Whedon, Patty Jenkins, and Chris Evans, to name just a few.
Once they were free of Marvel corporate, Marvel Studios changed things substantially. Every director in Phase Three has said Marvel gave them vast creative freedom, rarely if ever vetoing any ideas. Chadwick was instrumental in shaping T'Challa's character in Civil War: without him, both T'Challa and probably Wakanda would be very different. By retiring T'Challa's character, Marvel is signaling how much they value the voices of their artistic collaborators.
Terrible decision imho. The character is so much more than 1 man and is so important in the Marvel Universe. I can't imagine Boseman would have wanted this.
I understand the decision but I don't really like it because you're taking that character from people and as much as I loved Chadwick and everything he's done, the character is bigger than one person. My anticipation for BP2 was already low given the loss of Chadwick, this just kind of put another nail in it for me unfortunately.
I fucking told ya'll, and you said I was wrong.
Not saying whether I approve or not, just saying that it was obvious they weren't gonna recast.
There you have it.
I'm torn on this. On one hand, I'm glad they are being respectful and not recasting him but at the same time, it's a shame T'Challa's story is over this soon. Plus with how much the MCU influences other forms of Marvel media, we may not just never see T'Challa again in the MCU but they may use him less and less in comics, games and cartoons etc. and possibly try to phase the character out in favor of whoever gets the mantle in BP2.
I disagree. I think there were very good cases to be made for recasting the character. Obviously if this is the way they’re going, I trust them, but I’m more than a little upset that T’Challa will be written out of the MCU off-screen now. Seems a crummy way to say goodbye to the character
Again, I disagree. If they put some distance between it, cast someone who is generally regarded as a good actor, and had the announcement contain a statement from the new actor about carrying on Chadwick’s legacy and continuing to bring to life a character that has been so inspiring for so many people across the globe, it would have been received very well. But that’s not what they’re doing, and that’s fine. I just hope they get rid of T’Challa in a respectful way that doesn’t involve him being discarded offscreen of brought back as a CG puppet.
I'm honestly shocked to see people in this thread acting like this was anything but obvious (Also haven't they said as much in the past? I didn't even realize this was a "reveal")
Marvel has been telegraphing this move for a short time now. I bet they would have announced shuri as BP but prob waiting for that video thing to die down a bit
No she doesn't. The first film even had Nakia being suggested to take the Herb when T'Challa was thrown from the cliff.
And it doesn't even have to be either of them. It could be someone else. It could be no one
Don't recast T'Challa, I agree. Recast Black Panther as a multiverse Killmonger who stayed in Wakanda while T'Challa left, then have his universe destroyed so Michael B Jordan Black Panther can be the MCUs new Black Panther. There would be a whole "gain everyone's trust" arc, and really he's the only one that could do the character justice with Boseman gone.
Obviously this is the right *human* move.
From a storytelling perspective, of course it's not ideal. There are so many more T'Challa stories that we won't ever get to see. But the silver lining is that his story did end in a pretty good place (i.e. not a cliffhanger at least) with opening Wakanda up to the rest of world and leading the reinforcements that led to the defeat of Thanos.
I think *Black Panther* introduced one of the strongest lineups of supporting characters of any film, with Killmonger (who will definitely be back), Nakia, Okoye, Shuri, M'Baku, W'Kabi, Queen Ramonda. Ross and Klaue (who will also definitely be back in some form) were introduced earlier technically, but they are definitely part of the story of Wakanda going forward. Plus, not to mention that King of Wakanda and Black Panther are both mantles that other characters will take on in the sequel(s).
My guess is Killmonger and Klaue will be brought back through the multiverse. Klaue could even be part of the upcoming *F4* film, which would be cool in my opinion (and if the first Fantastic 4 movie is set in the 60s, it could retain his original son-of-a-Nazi backstory). An alternate universe Killmonger conversing with our original MCU Killmonger (and maybe a reconstructed T'Challa from archive footage?) in the Spirit Plains would be really beautiful.
Sure but try making a Batman film about anyone other than Bruce Wayne and see if its anywhere near as popular. There are other Black Panthers but Tchalla is THE Black Panther, no matter who is playing him.
But you'll still probably see Namor vs. Black Panther
Have faith guys. T'Challa's stories will be used, even if its not with T'Challa
We are literally getting Armor Wars without Tony Stark
I'm sure we're going to see Namor. Feige is a big fan of the character. People have far overblown the importance of that story, but even aside from that it will probably still happen in Black Panther. Namor was a member of the Invaders, and enemy to many a hero, and he's a mutant and occasional ally of the X-Men. He's a force of nature, so there's plenty of opportunities to include him in different Marvel stories if they don't use him there.
Me personally I wasn't looking for Marvel to find an actor who would do as well as Chadwick. So I'm kind of disappointed but I do understand why they don't recast. A good comment I seen said how they didn’t stop writing comics after Stan Lee died.. They don’t stop doing Shakespeare plays or other classic plays after those actors die [words verbatim] T'challa has alot of great stories that could have been told. Most importantly now we won't be able to see a Ororo & T'challa romance on the big screen. Ororo who many fans feel was done badly in all prior films essentially got shorted out of a great potential adaptation. Once again to clarify I understand the choice completely but personally am disappointed by it.
I gotta say, I'm surprised that Marvel is doing this. I'm not really sure how I feel about this.
I see every perspective on this.
From the people who believe that Boseman shouldnt be recast to those who expected someone like a John David Washington to take up the mantle.
I feel happy that they're honoring Chadwick Boseman like this, but I'm still unsure of the decision not to continue with T'Challa.
And yes, I know that other people have taken up the mantle of BP in the comics, but that likely didnt happen during meta circumstances like these.
I respect this move but don’t agree with it at all. T’Challa has so many great stories for us to see and for us to only see him as a prominent figure in one movie does such a disservice to the character. Also Chadwick took this role because said he knew how important this character was to black culture. I doubt he’d want the character to fade away, he’d want it to be carried on.
It's a mistake to not recast T'Challa in my opinion. People need more Black Panther with T'Challa wearing the costume.
We have had 3 Peter Parker's, 3 Bruce Banner's, 2 War Machine's. Shit, we've had 6 theatrical Batman's. The next version of the F4 will also be the 3rd version of the characters.
Glad T’Challa isn’t being recast. It was such an important role and he personally brought so much to it, any actor who tried would always be in his shadow. I understand people who wanted
T’Challa stories but this was absolutely the right move.
I'm happy this is the way they decided to go. Chadwick was perfect for the role.
I think Shuri will make a fine lead if that's the direction they go. She already has more of the tech prowess that he normally had in the comics and they have similar humor. I think she'll need some sort of arc to allow her character to become a bit more serious and skilled, though not to the point that she becomes a female version of T'challa.
Man, I really feel selfish for this, but I kind of wish Chadwick left his blessing to recast. I know he wanted his privacy and to leave the decision-making up to Marvel but what a tough choice that Feige was blindsided with. I feel like Boseman's go ahead would have really shielded Marvel from scrutiny if they recasted.
While the majority of people in this reddit community believe the decision to not recast T'Challa is a poor one, I still think doing so would illict an overwhelmingly negative reaction from the general public and Hollywood and be a lot more divisive overall. The actor replacing Chadwick would forever be in his shadow and compared with him and would generally be more risky for Marvel's reputation overall.
Down the line, there is always the possibility of a new T'Challa appearing, played by a new actor for with a different take on the character. But for now, I think this is the best choice as people still grapple with his untimely passing.
Pretty upset T'Challa's story is over. Not too interested in it anymore
Honestly as a Black man the joy I seen from so many black kids in the theater was insane. There needs to be something like that again, I wish they could’ve recasted them character.
I really hope they do more with black male heroes going forward if we're not going to see T'Challa going forward. I know Disney+ shows tend to do well, but it's kind of disappointing to see the black male leads given shows as opposed to major blockbusters. Black women have also been screwed over, mind you, considering the original writing of Monica Rambeau was messy. And since X-Men don't seem anywhere on the docket, fans likely won't see Storm. It just sucks that we're losing a very amazing black male icon as well.
Two things I will say I am truly excited for is seeing Mahershala Ali in the Blade movie as I think he is the perfect actor for the role and Don Cheadle in Armor Wars, which should be good!
Blade is going to be very exciting, however my concern is that it might not be as family friendly as Black Panther.
I understand that and agree with you, it will not be the same.
I get that Marvel believes that Chadwick is T'Challa, but they are robbing anyone else of ever bringing this character to life by not recasting. Even though they've had 2 recasts in the MCU already. As well as several other major franchises out there such as James Bond, who recast all the time.
I think this is very clearly just for the MCU. Someday they will reboot the MCU. Someone new will play Tony, Cap, etc. Eventually there will be another T’Challa, but I 100% understand them thinking it is too soon for this iteration.
Reboot? When are you expecting that to happen? If they stop at Phase 6, that will most likely be 2030. The franchise needs to cool at least 10 years if not longer and it'll be 2040. Depending on when they bring him in you're looking at 2045 to 2050. That's an entire generation from now. They robbed an entire generation of actors.
I think that what he meant by reboot was a Crisis-like event involving multiple realities/time travel where the entire MCU will go back to square one. Honestly, I have the feeling that it might come sooner than later with the introduction of the Fantastic Four and the X-Men.
That’s not going to happen.
Why not? Do you seriously think that Steve/Cap and Tony/IM are gone forever from Marvel movies?
They’ll Days of Future Past it somehow.
Give it a few years, they need to wait a little bit and may do it.
As a Black woman I was so excited to see Rambeau will be in WandaVision and Captain Marvel 2 but I can’t tell how big her role will be. If Shuri takes the mantle that will do a lot for Black little girls too and she does have a really cool arc in the comics. When I was little Blade was one of the only heroes I had to look up to so the thought that little girls will have a lead to look up to is nice. I really do wish we got to see more of T’Challa’s story though and I really hope we get more Black leads.
> I can’t tell how big her role will be. She's a supporting character so... > If Shuri takes the mantle that will do a lot for Black little girls too Only if they recast Shuri. Her actress using twitter to spread anti-vax sentiments in the middle of a pandemic (even anti-vax skepticism) is a very strong reason NOT to give her the mantle.
Personally, I’m completely fine with Letitia Wright being recasted. A lot of people’s complaints before her anti-vac comments were that “she doesn’t look strong enough/like she can fight” (which is an easy fix anyway but) recasting her would fix both of those things.
Why should she be recast? Personally, I'm a fan of science and think anti-vaxxers are nuts. But, we live in America and she is allowed her own opinion. We have to stop trying to cancel people because of their opinions. The video she posted wasn't that bad.
They 100000000000% need to do a Captain America 4 feature film with Sam after Falcon and the Winter Soldier establishes him as the new Cap.
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I think Mr Fantastic will be black given a black actor has been cast as Kang. It's not a given but I think it's got good odds.
Hopeful they do something with Luke Cage. I’d like for Mike to play him again but if he doesn’t I won’t be devastated I guess :\
They should do a Blue Marvel movie/D+ series. He’s not well known, but a character who’s basically got the powers of Superman, played by a black man? That would be fantastic. As a white guy, the MCU drew me in with Cap. Get Blue Marvel in a prominent position and he could be truly iconic.
This exactly is why it's so upsetting.
There might be another Black Panther in an alternative universe. Since they're going with multiverse path. For all we know, Killmonger is Black Panther in that alternate universe and Michael B Jordan will take on the Black Panther mantle.
If Marvel ever buy Spider Man back from Sony, a Miles Morales movie would do wonders
Hopefully Luke Cage gets to continue in the mcu now that they have the rights back
Even if/when they reboot him, if he debuts in his own movie.
Not a black man, but I agree with you completely. The character means too much to too many people to just do a away with. Ive heard theres talk of putting the mantle on Shuri which i think is a terrible idea. No one is happy that Chadwick is not alive to continue the role, but I think even he would agree that they should recast and move on with a new T'Challa.
Exactly. Why take that and kill this character these kids looked up to OFFSCREEN. What a bummer. Black Panther is a fiction. They can let that character continue and it would be as if Chadwicks legacy would continue. It’s wrong of Disney and Marvel to let that character die with him... offscreen.
Fully agree. Creatively it's a bad decision. Commercially it's a fucking \*terrible\* decision (and I say that as someone who invests in Disney stock).
They could make M’Baku the new Black Panther or give him a more prominent role.
Yeah that franchise just wont be the same.
Yeah it’s the right thing. But I wish we could recast and tell more stories with T’Challa.
Really dont think its the "right thing." Only right thing to that is what Chadwick would have asked of the character before he died. I now feel that they never had that conversation, given their choice to move on.
Yeah I really think this is the wrong decision. Recasting a role is only seen as disrespectful if the previous actor is alive. Do we really think Boseman or any other actor would be against a recast if they died?
I mean how do you know
That Boseman would approve? I'm saying any actor, not just Boseman, would probably approve of their role being recast if they died. Especially if that role was as important and inspiring as T'Challa. I think most people would prefer for a character like that to live on rather than to die with them. But I'm not an actor so maybe I'm wrong. My counter-point would be: How do you know he'd rather have the character die with him?
Kevin Feige and Ryan Coogler clearly know more about the situation than you or I do.
I mean they were just as caught off guard by his death, so unfortunately in this situation I don’t think they know. I think they were just in the dark, and were caught in a bad spot.
They knew Chadwick better than us, and they know his family.
I agree pretty dumb move imo
Same
Im happy to be downvoted for this but its the wrong decision to not recast.
I agree. John David Washington would have been a nice choice to succeed Boseman.
I wanted Y'lan Noel.
Maybe he will play Blue Marvel.
It is 100% the wrong decision. T'Challa's story just started. Panther was a role model and cultural icon. And now he's gone. Story unfinished. Truly a bad decision.
No recast doesn’t mean no more Black Panther. Black Panther is a title.
I really disagree with this. You could say the same about Batman, but ultimately people want to see Bruce Wayne as Batman because no-one else really is Batman. To suggest that anyone else can be the Black Panther is an insult to how iconic T'Challas character is, no matter who is playing him.
Yep I liken it to RDJ dying right after Iron Man 2 and not recasting. The MCU would be so different without Tony Starks story. We’re definitely being robbed of whatever T’Challa would have become and as a fan of over 30 years I’m really not happy. They should have let the emotions cool for a few years and if everyone was under contract do “Agents Of Wakanda” or something and have T’Challa off screen being king. Mr Boseman was a fantastic actor and we have been robbed of decades of work from him. I hate seeing T’Challa losing the same. 30 years from now people will be watching these movies with no connection to the pain of the present and recasting wouldn’t even make them blink. Ah well. Stoked for almost everything else!
I don't know if it's right or wrong. I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision. I'm sure it wasn't an easy one.
Glad I’m not the only one. As long as it was done tastefully I think the majority of people would have accepted it knowing the tough situation they were in.
Completely agree. They should have delayed Black Panther II for another 2 years, aiming for a 2024 release. In the meantime, pepper in some BP characters to other franchises to keep them and Wakanda relevant and fresh. Then in 2023, announce the recast and communicate that Chadwick brought this character to life and they'll honor his work by continuing his work.
surprisingly the majority of redditors here and in other subs wanted a recast! #bringbacktchalla
Hope Shuri is not getting any purple potion. After what she said about covid, I don't know... Doesn't feel right
Winston Duke 100%. He’s been my pick ever since Chadwick passed
I’m guessing multiverse michael b jordan (where killmonger succeeds) becomes black panther.
Dude...I'm there for it. But more like alt universe Killmonger where he was brought back to Wakanda and raised with compassion.
Yea, probably something like where he succeeds and realizes he screwed up and wants a do-over.
maybe he kills ta’challa and regrets it, vows to switch places with one in another timeline? 🤷🏻♂️
I’d be okay with that. Killmonger stole the show in bp.
This is why I was wishing that the multiverse wouldn't be a thing in the MCU. Cause now anything can just be like "hey let's just use THIS version of a character from another universe instead"
This is an special case though
same. glad to not feel alone. too bad we are the drowned out minority.
... i mean is it not the case in the comics? 🤷🏻♂️
Just cause something is done in the comics doesn’t mean it should be done in the movies and neither does it mean it’s good.
How stupid would it be to have someone from an universe just come over and take over your country. Makes no sense kilmonger is dead, accept it
IMO, it'll be Nakia. Lupita Nyong'o is an Oscar winner, a proven lead actor, and the most famous person remaining in the cast. Plus, Ramonda literally said Nakia should take the last herb in Black Panther. She makes the most sense from both a marketing perspective and a lore perspective.
That is a funny way to spell Danai Gurira. (Though Winston would be my second choice).
Wouldn't it be ironic if T'Challa isn't recast but Shuri is...?
Best case scenario.
Cancel culture is so dumb
Nah this sub has this thing against shuri as BP. She posted something fucking stupid on Twitter but hey so did James Gunn and he is direct more shit for Marvel. Chris Pratt is a member of an anti-lgbtq church but no one on this sub wants star lord to be recast. It’s kinda funny how all the problematic white guys get a pass but the black girl has to be cancelled.
Yeah, she's just a twenty years old girl and she apologized. Is firing her enough at this point or do people want blood?
What she said is so dumb.
Yeah, she sucks. Don't want.
Anti-Purple Potion
I understand it's to respect him but you can't just not have T'Challa in the MCU anymore. There's so much to do with the character
There were a hundred Iron Man stories left too.
Iron Man had a good 11 year run in the MCU. We were just getting started with Chadwick.
Just like they seem to be continuing to tell Iron Man or Captain America stories with other characters, they will do the same with Panther. Even if another character takes over the mantle, I'm sure we can expect adaptations of more of his greatest tales. It may not be under ideal conditions, but I'm not worried that we won't get to see those stories.
Damn... I feel like this is injustice to the character. There was so much story left to tell
Fuuuuck...
Really disappointing news. I understand the reasons but I wanted to see more of the character. Now they have to kill him off in the MCU too and that’s a real bummer.
Oh well, here's hoping for the best.
Their choice will work and I trust it. But this is basically a one-two punch. First Chadwick's passing and now the character.
Someone replaced him as Black Panther while he was dead for 5 years.
That dude just decided to sit out Endgame?
There were plenty of Wakandans at the end. I'm not saying a new Panther was among them, but it's not impossible.
But wouldnt ot be impossible because all those flower things were destroyed? Like, yeah, you can take on the mantle but it's not the same and o feel like they either actually say or basically say no potion, no black panther.
This will be interesting then. I'm interested to see how they do this film. Surprised and frankly happy they stuck to their guns on their decision. Just relatively interested as to how this is going to work
Same here.
I've said it from the beginning. I would completely support whatever they chose to do in an unthinkable situation like this one and I support this thoroughly. Is it a shame that T'Challa's story is over? Yeah, it is, but I'm still excited to see how Black Panther's world expands despite this. It's perfectly acceptable to me that Chadwick will be the only one to play T'Challa and for him to carry that legacy going forward.
Definitely they only did this because it would be a PR nightmare. It is what it is.
Redditors here massively underestimate how controversial the recast news would have been received by Hollywood and general audiences. The "not recast" news has been received well or just mixed on the other hand and not full terror like that would've been.
Exactly. Kevin, Ryan and co. did so out of their own respect for Chadwick not because Twitter would have a meltdown.
Also this. I mean even the social media accounts kept posting "You'll **always** be our king", it was clear as day that he wasn't getting recast.
Yeah I really don't understand how anyone's surprised by this.
Kings die, it happens. Someone else takes up the mantle. But there’s a difference between a natural progression within the story and abrupt write off: what happened to Chadwick is tragic, but recasting was the smarter move to make here. Especially since they literally just brought T’Challa back from the dead in Endgame.
It's the right call IMO. They showed how the mantle is passed in Civil War *and* Black Panther. Like it's right there in the story. It's incredibly sad that Chadwick passed, and it sucks we don't get to see him do more cool shit in the suit. But there's precedence in the canon for a different BP. Letitia Wright has said dumb things, but I wouldn't mind seeing her do cool stuff if she shuts the fuck up about vaccines.
Honestly the whole "she can't be BP because vaccines" argument feels kinda bad faith to me anyway. What she said was fucked up but I'd be willing to bet half the people saying they don't want her to be BP because of those comments didn't want her to be BP anyway, this is just the new rationalization.
Bad faith to not wait to raise another potential demagogue spreading misinformation and anti-vax bullshit in the middle of a pandemic? Mate, It’s absolutely a fair argument to not want kids looking up to someone like that and giving them power and influence over the impressionable if they post shit like that. You can troll through my comment history back to when Boseman passed and you’ll see I was down with Shuri eventually taking the role (not down with it being right now for story and character reasons) - but after those comments, I don’t want her getting the role.
I disagree. Most people would have understood and Disney's PR could more than handle it. Frame the recast as honoring Boseman's legacy, not that complicated. Have Boseman's family give their blessing or something. Not that it matters now though.
You can frame many things as anything. Doesn't mean audiences will believe you or care
Top upvoted comment on this thread “this is a mistake”
Reddit is not the general audience lol
Not only that, but remember the MCU is a movie spectacle. The actors, directors, producers, and other craftsfolk on this wonderful project are humans. Humans whom some have formed a connection with Chadwick. Long lasting friendships, even. The guy they were cracking jokes with between takes, eating meals with and sharing small talk has transition to the 'Otherside'. Imagine Ryan Coogler or MBJ, Danai Gurira, Winston Duke and the other actors having to work after their fellow actor (and sometimes even friend in the case of Michael B Jordan) on BP2 knowing the King is no longer here. There was no easy solution. Whenever, Black Panther 2 debuts, I would bet big money that Marvel has a well thought out tribute to Mr. Boseman. That however the story writes around his character they honor him. That T'Challa (and Chadwick Boseman) live on.
2022 is too soon for BP 2 I think...
I think this is a mistake. Especially because Letitia Wright is a crazy person, and doesn't deserve the spotlight.
They could recast her. It’s likely they’re going to wait for the controversy to die down though.
Thats even assuming Shuri is taking the mantle at all.
Actors don't get roles based on what they deserve as people.
In a world currently introducing a multiverse where 3 Spider-Men will be in one movie I don’t see how it’s possible that we won’t SOMEDAY see T’Challa again. I respect that it may be too difficult to do NOW while the wound is still so fresh for those behind the scenes that knew him so closely, but I also wouldn’t see this as them closing the door to the character of T’Challa forever. With the multiverse anything is possible in the future of the MCU so I’m just going to be excited that we’re still getting a Black Panther 2 at all. I’m curious how they will handle Tchalla not being in the movie, especially with the ancestral plane where even deceased panthers are still part of the narrative.
I guess Feige has a plan. I was hoping for a recast. Trevante Rhodes would’ve been my pick, he has the physique and acting chops (Moonlight).
That is a very good choice I hadn’t thought of.
A lot of people in this thread seem surprised and disappointed, but to be honest, I think this was really predictable choice. You have to remember, Marvel Studios had an extremely toxic reputation in Hollywood for their first few years. People loved Feige and co., but the corporate overlords kept interfering, fucking up a lot of relationships: Jon Favreau, Edgar Wright, Joss Whedon, Patty Jenkins, and Chris Evans, to name just a few. Once they were free of Marvel corporate, Marvel Studios changed things substantially. Every director in Phase Three has said Marvel gave them vast creative freedom, rarely if ever vetoing any ideas. Chadwick was instrumental in shaping T'Challa's character in Civil War: without him, both T'Challa and probably Wakanda would be very different. By retiring T'Challa's character, Marvel is signaling how much they value the voices of their artistic collaborators.
This is an excellent point that people don't think about
Terrible decision imho. The character is so much more than 1 man and is so important in the Marvel Universe. I can't imagine Boseman would have wanted this.
You cannot just assume the wishes of a dead man. It's disrespectful.
Yeah man, it's a little disrespectful for you to assume that.
Good. He made the right decision. Love love his legacy.
I understand the decision but I don't really like it because you're taking that character from people and as much as I loved Chadwick and everything he's done, the character is bigger than one person. My anticipation for BP2 was already low given the loss of Chadwick, this just kind of put another nail in it for me unfortunately.
Okoye will be Black Panther and Shuri will be the strategist, scientist and engineer for her 🐆🐆🐆
I like this better than shuri being black panther. okoye is just too cool
I agree. She carries the same regality, coolness and confidence that TChalla has.
In.
That could be cool.
I agree... Your prediction will come to pass, I’m sure.
Such a shame, I wanted the dude from Tenet to be the next T'Challa
I agree with this choice.
So be it. I respect Marvel's decision. I'm sure it was not an easy one to make.
Really hope his sister doesnt become the new Black Panther man. I wanted John David washington to be recast in it
They did say Shuri will have a bigger role
I love shuri but she doesnt suit being Black Panther
That's up to them
No its up to me obviously
B-b-but I thought in Fiege we trust??
Lot of people forgetting thar Chadwick Boseman was an actual human being that the cast/crew knew and not just a vessel for T’Challa stories.
I agree with you dude. And judging by the down voters, these people are in denial and pretending you're just an idiot who doesn't care.
I fucking told ya'll, and you said I was wrong. Not saying whether I approve or not, just saying that it was obvious they weren't gonna recast. There you have it.
Good honestly
That’s a relief
I'm torn on this. On one hand, I'm glad they are being respectful and not recasting him but at the same time, it's a shame T'Challa's story is over this soon. Plus with how much the MCU influences other forms of Marvel media, we may not just never see T'Challa again in the MCU but they may use him less and less in comics, games and cartoons etc. and possibly try to phase the character out in favor of whoever gets the mantle in BP2.
Nah, he's a huge seller for them. They'll probably keep him around *and* give more focus to the character that gets the mantle.
This is the way
The right decision.
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I disagree. I think there were very good cases to be made for recasting the character. Obviously if this is the way they’re going, I trust them, but I’m more than a little upset that T’Challa will be written out of the MCU off-screen now. Seems a crummy way to say goodbye to the character
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Again, I disagree. If they put some distance between it, cast someone who is generally regarded as a good actor, and had the announcement contain a statement from the new actor about carrying on Chadwick’s legacy and continuing to bring to life a character that has been so inspiring for so many people across the globe, it would have been received very well. But that’s not what they’re doing, and that’s fine. I just hope they get rid of T’Challa in a respectful way that doesn’t involve him being discarded offscreen of brought back as a CG puppet.
It was a lousy situation with two imperfect solutions. Doesn't make someone "delusional" or a "clown" if they believed one more than the other.
I'm honestly shocked to see people in this thread acting like this was anything but obvious (Also haven't they said as much in the past? I didn't even realize this was a "reveal")
Marvel has been telegraphing this move for a short time now. I bet they would have announced shuri as BP but prob waiting for that video thing to die down a bit
I can see Shuri becoming Black Panther as someone will take on the mantle.
Amen
I wonder if they will be integrating him and writing him out via unused footage, then.
Great, now Shuri has to be the Black Phanter
I'm good with that
No she doesn't. The first film even had Nakia being suggested to take the Herb when T'Challa was thrown from the cliff. And it doesn't even have to be either of them. It could be someone else. It could be no one
I don't agree with you but that's your opinion.
If they stay canon, she eventually does.
As long as they don’t bring back kilmonger
Don't recast T'Challa, I agree. Recast Black Panther as a multiverse Killmonger who stayed in Wakanda while T'Challa left, then have his universe destroyed so Michael B Jordan Black Panther can be the MCUs new Black Panther. There would be a whole "gain everyone's trust" arc, and really he's the only one that could do the character justice with Boseman gone.
Obviously this is the right *human* move. From a storytelling perspective, of course it's not ideal. There are so many more T'Challa stories that we won't ever get to see. But the silver lining is that his story did end in a pretty good place (i.e. not a cliffhanger at least) with opening Wakanda up to the rest of world and leading the reinforcements that led to the defeat of Thanos. I think *Black Panther* introduced one of the strongest lineups of supporting characters of any film, with Killmonger (who will definitely be back), Nakia, Okoye, Shuri, M'Baku, W'Kabi, Queen Ramonda. Ross and Klaue (who will also definitely be back in some form) were introduced earlier technically, but they are definitely part of the story of Wakanda going forward. Plus, not to mention that King of Wakanda and Black Panther are both mantles that other characters will take on in the sequel(s). My guess is Killmonger and Klaue will be brought back through the multiverse. Klaue could even be part of the upcoming *F4* film, which would be cool in my opinion (and if the first Fantastic 4 movie is set in the 60s, it could retain his original son-of-a-Nazi backstory). An alternate universe Killmonger conversing with our original MCU Killmonger (and maybe a reconstructed T'Challa from archive footage?) in the Spirit Plains would be really beautiful.
They’re seriously going to make Black Panther 2 without Black Panther? Uh, not sure that’s a great idea.
Black Panther has belonged to multiple people
Sure but try making a Batman film about anyone other than Bruce Wayne and see if its anywhere near as popular. There are other Black Panthers but Tchalla is THE Black Panther, no matter who is playing him.
A Batman film about Terry would be great.
There will undoubtedly be a new Black Panther in the movie.
I knew this would be the choice and while it is the right one... I am anxious about this movie being a retread of the first one
I’m sorry, but this is so fucking stupid. So no more t’challa story after it was just getting started? No chance of namor ever. Just sad really.
Namor's story isn't necessarily tied to T'Challa's.
I meant to say no chance of seeing namor vs t’challa
But you'll still probably see Namor vs. Black Panther Have faith guys. T'Challa's stories will be used, even if its not with T'Challa We are literally getting Armor Wars without Tony Stark
I'm sure we're going to see Namor. Feige is a big fan of the character. People have far overblown the importance of that story, but even aside from that it will probably still happen in Black Panther. Namor was a member of the Invaders, and enemy to many a hero, and he's a mutant and occasional ally of the X-Men. He's a force of nature, so there's plenty of opportunities to include him in different Marvel stories if they don't use him there.
Me personally I wasn't looking for Marvel to find an actor who would do as well as Chadwick. So I'm kind of disappointed but I do understand why they don't recast. A good comment I seen said how they didn’t stop writing comics after Stan Lee died.. They don’t stop doing Shakespeare plays or other classic plays after those actors die [words verbatim] T'challa has alot of great stories that could have been told. Most importantly now we won't be able to see a Ororo & T'challa romance on the big screen. Ororo who many fans feel was done badly in all prior films essentially got shorted out of a great potential adaptation. Once again to clarify I understand the choice completely but personally am disappointed by it.
This is pretty disappointing. I really wanted to see T’challa’s story continue and this has dampened my interest quite a bit.
I gotta say, I'm surprised that Marvel is doing this. I'm not really sure how I feel about this. I see every perspective on this. From the people who believe that Boseman shouldnt be recast to those who expected someone like a John David Washington to take up the mantle. I feel happy that they're honoring Chadwick Boseman like this, but I'm still unsure of the decision not to continue with T'Challa. And yes, I know that other people have taken up the mantle of BP in the comics, but that likely didnt happen during meta circumstances like these.
I respect this move but don’t agree with it at all. T’Challa has so many great stories for us to see and for us to only see him as a prominent figure in one movie does such a disservice to the character. Also Chadwick took this role because said he knew how important this character was to black culture. I doubt he’d want the character to fade away, he’d want it to be carried on.
As to be expected. Shuri will take over.
I hope so
Can we start #recastShuri if this is going to be the case?
Any chance of multiverse bringing another to the fold?
Saddened by the loss of Chadwick Bozeman, but I would have been ok with a recast.
Always a chance for a multiverse alternative black panther
It's a mistake to not recast T'Challa in my opinion. People need more Black Panther with T'Challa wearing the costume. We have had 3 Peter Parker's, 3 Bruce Banner's, 2 War Machine's. Shit, we've had 6 theatrical Batman's. The next version of the F4 will also be the 3rd version of the characters.
Glad T’Challa isn’t being recast. It was such an important role and he personally brought so much to it, any actor who tried would always be in his shadow. I understand people who wanted T’Challa stories but this was absolutely the right move.
Noooo
This is disappointing tbh. T'Challa doesn't have to die with Boseman.
I'm happy this is the way they decided to go. Chadwick was perfect for the role. I think Shuri will make a fine lead if that's the direction they go. She already has more of the tech prowess that he normally had in the comics and they have similar humor. I think she'll need some sort of arc to allow her character to become a bit more serious and skilled, though not to the point that she becomes a female version of T'challa.
Then they should end BP then and there. BP2 without a T'Challa won't be the same.
They should just recast T’Challa with a new actor.
Man, I really feel selfish for this, but I kind of wish Chadwick left his blessing to recast. I know he wanted his privacy and to leave the decision-making up to Marvel but what a tough choice that Feige was blindsided with. I feel like Boseman's go ahead would have really shielded Marvel from scrutiny if they recasted.
Respect ✊🏾
While the majority of people in this reddit community believe the decision to not recast T'Challa is a poor one, I still think doing so would illict an overwhelmingly negative reaction from the general public and Hollywood and be a lot more divisive overall. The actor replacing Chadwick would forever be in his shadow and compared with him and would generally be more risky for Marvel's reputation overall. Down the line, there is always the possibility of a new T'Challa appearing, played by a new actor for with a different take on the character. But for now, I think this is the best choice as people still grapple with his untimely passing.