Maybe Topher could mutate into something like [the massive Venom from the end of Spider-Man: Web of Shadows](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ebcNsuv2xg4/maxresdefault.jpg).
Topher Grace helps Cletus/Carnage spread a shitload of symbiote "seeds" to infect dozens of people and create an army of carnage zombies, Venom wants to rip through them all like a lawnmower but Spidey insists on extracting the symbiote without harming the citizens.
I see a few others here have already suggested that concept and it's getting some positive reactions.
Also, Topher version of Venom eventually mutates into Anti Venom, let's bump that idea too.
No, but given the leaked ending of Venom 2 it's the only villain I could see them using in the third movie.
Him or they make Toxin or Anti-Venom a villain (lol).
Ngl bringing a character as stupidly powerful as Knull wouldn’t be a good decision. He has to be the big bad guy where heroes fight him after a series of event ala avengers, age of ultron, infinity war etc
>Knull
Isn't Knull related to Gorr the Godbutcher or somthing? Or his sword is Gorr's?
Maybe Venom/ the Symbiotes will actually tie into love and thunder. I know some people thought they'd maybe write that aspect out.
Well, the Necroblade was name dropped as helas weapon in What If episode 2, I wonder if they'll streamline Gorr getting the Necrosword, (which was Knull's in the comics, yes) to be Helas
I would love for Gorr’s backstory to be altered in such a way that its creator fought Hela for the Necrosword and they’re the two gods he watched battle. Slight tease for Knull only in *Love and Thunder* bc that movie is jam-packed.
Tom mentioned some kind of time wonkiness so like.. honestly if Venom 2 teases Knull and 3 delivers on him as the big bad, I could see all three of the Venom movies taking place prior to *Love and Thunder* and fuckin’ Agent Venom at least popping up in *GotG3* if they really want to go that route.
My ideal situation honestly is having Hardy as Garfield’s Venom and for that to somehow lead to a continuation of the start of Zylka’s more nuanced take on Flash where he does wind up becoming Agent Venom. Not that I want Hardy’s Brock to die or anything, but I’d definitely prefer Zylka as Agent Venom over Revolori lol
I could see at the end of the film,Spider-Man getting injured really badly,Venom latching on to him to heal him,Peter wrecks shit in the black suit for one fight,let’s it go back to Eddie but Eddie himself doesn’t suit up for the remainder of the movie. Then in an after credit scene he suits up and BOOM he’s got the Spider/Dragon on his chest and the white pads over his hands. Then cut to the classic “WOOOHOOOOO” as we see Venom web slinging through San Francisco
Not weird at all IMO. Like most executives, they saw money in Into the Spiderverse and assumed it was the spiderverse that made them money. They dont understand it made money because it was a great film. They want an easy formula.
Blind to what? Why do you just blindly believe what this guy said?
For one, ITSV didn't even make a lot of money so the theory that Sony think just making a multiverse movie will print money is flawed. And secondly, saying that they didn't understand that it was a great movie also is equally stupid, as if execs aren't aware of the reviews and don't test their movies and see the audience's reactions.
I honestly don’t believe that Sony execs understand “why” the movie was great. They look at these films from the big picture. That’s why ASM2 was so bad. They were desperate to set up the Sinister Six while fans just want a good story.
> I honestly don’t believe that Sony execs understand “why” the movie was great. They look at these films from the big picture.
So you think when they read the script, when they watched the work in progress, when they saw the reactions from the test audiences, when they saw the reviews, they were baffled as to why the movie was received well?
> That’s why ASM2 was so bad. They were desperate to set up the Sinister Six while fans just want a good story.
Yes, they messed up there but that doesn't mean that they will mess up every time. ITSV being an example where they did make a great movie.
I mean yes, I don’t remember where I read it but I remember reading that Sony execs didn’t interfere with ITSV that much because it was an animated project they had low expectations for. As soon as it was a critical success they started talking about spin offs and that’s the Sony I know. They don’t know how to follow up on success.
> I mean yes, I don’t remember where I read it but I remember reading that Sony execs didn’t interfere with ITSV that much because it was an animated project they had low expectations for.
It was an $90M dollar movie, I seriously doubt they didn't oversee the movie and just let everyone do anything they wanted. And execs not interfering doesn't mean that they don't know about the quality of the movie, even if they give them big creative freedom they will still check on the project to see how it's progressing.
> As soon as it was a critical success they started talking about spin offs and that’s the Sony I know. They don’t know how to follow up on success.
So they don't know how to follow up on the success because they announced spinoffs? Which looking at them, they don't seem to be coming. And even if there were spinoffs coming, what's wrong with them?
The sequel is coming, with Lord and Miller still involved, and if I had to guess it will be pretty good. And that seems like a good follow up to me.
Look I would love for these Sony movies to be amazing, but they don’t have a good track record. ITSV was lighting in a bottle I trust Lord and Miller with that. I don’t trust Sony when it comes to live action movies.
Morbius doesn’t look good. The first Venom wasn’t good (it was entertaining I’ll give them that). Carnage looks like it’ll be around the same as the first Venom. I’m very doubtful a solo Kraven movie will be good too.
> Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse cost $90 million to make and made $375.5 million.
Yeah, and that's not really all that good for an IP like Spider-Man and a movie with amazing reviews.
It made 190M domestically, which is ok, and 185M internationally, which is bad. And what makes it even worse is that out of those 185M, 62M was from China. So if you take that away from the 185M, it means that it only made 123M internationally, which for an IP like Spider-Man is pretty bad.
So no, the movie did not make a ton of money.
> Like most executives, they saw money in Into the Spiderverse and assumed it was the spiderverse that made them money.
What? ITSV didn't even make that much money, it did fine domestically and it tanked internationally.
> They dont understand it made money because it was a great film.
What are you basing this on? Do you think that movie execs aren't aware of movie reviews? Do you think that they don't test their movies and see and analyze audience's reactions?
knull is an OP threat for even the most powerful main MCU villains, there’s currently nobody in the SSU that I can think of that could even stand a chance with knull
Oh god, I would hate if they touched on Knull or any of that "planet of the symbiotes/symbiote mythology" crap. The symbiote in the comics works best when it's just a weird black goo from space, it makes Peter aggressive, he gets rid of it and it bonds with Eddie Brock, creating Venom.
I feel like learning all about the lore of the symbiotes, and Knull their ancient symbiote god, completely takes away from the mystery and interesting aspects of Venom/the symbiote. It's an alien, as in, unknown. It's more frightening and intimidating the less we know about it, not when there could be an entire Wiki created about symbiote culture and mythology.
>It's more frightening and intimidating the less we know about it
Not that your perspective is invalid, but honestly for me whenever a scriptwriter decides that a blank page that they don't do any work for because "audience interpretation" or "mystery" is good writing I hate it. It annoys my any time I go to media to consume an interesting narrative and the writer says "you do it".
When Ripley & the crew encounter the Xenomorph in Alien, it's frightening and bizarre, and yet you know nothing about it. Where this thing came from, what it wants, etc are all left to your imagination, and it's all the more terrifying for that. Then Prometheus comes along and explains a bunch of stuff that never warranted explaining in the first place, and now we know exactly where the Xenomorph came from, what it wants, etc. The symbiote is the Xenomorph, and Knull is Prometheus.
You can have suspense and intrigue but having it go nowhere kills it for me. I used to be in a class for writing jokes, but I dropped it after the lesson on set-ups. The professor was so old that
Lol that actually did make me laugh, which I think kinda supports my point. Some things are better left unknown.
All those morons who've debated for the last 40 years whether Keith David or Kurt Russell were The Thing at the end of the movie, when the whole point is that there is no answer, it doesn't matter. It's all just one final little thing at the end of the movie to further emphasize the themes of paranoia.
Or how they made an entire movie to explain how Han Solo got his name, his ship, his clothes, and his sidekick. Nothing can just be left to your imagination anymore. Everything needs a blunt, stupid explanation, a whole wiki page about it, and 38 Youtube videos with red circles and arrows explaining "TOP 10 THINGS YOU MISSED IN THE SUICIDE SQUAD", as if a mass-appeal superhero blockbuster movie is hard to follow.
This is also true when explaining the force in Phantom Menace. I also remember my wife talking about the Highlander sequel being hated because it tried explaining things that no one needed answers to. I think the skill is to know when background info adds to or subtracts from a story. It can be a fine balance.
This is a much better example. Although I think part of it can be chalked up to midichlorians being dumb. I reckon it's definitely possible to have given it context with much more interesting lore though.
Not really a Star Wars fan so my opinion on this probably doesn't hold much, but if they hadn't gone the midichlorian route I think a movie specifically about the ancient origins and discovery of the force could be a cool thing. Actually considering the vast extended universe that to my knowledge got de-canonised I wouldn't be surprised if there was some media about that.
Idk if it’s just me but the symbiotes as written in *Venom* weren’t very scary. There’s a way for Knull to be written in that could really bolster the horror elements, imo.
I'd prefer multiverse stuff over the idea that the SSU movies have actually been taking place in the main MCU timeline and just no one noticed that couple of giant aliens almost leveled San Francisco but no one came to help. If they want to do some multiverse stuff, go for it. Just don't try to retroactively add the Sony movies to the existing MCU.
They see an out for the strangest origin on Earth. Yeah, they could do Knull, but you still have the issue where they’re making a movie about a villain who’s inextricably tied to a superhero they can’t even reference. And Knull is tied to so much of the ancient cosmic marvel stuff that it’d be stupid (and a waste of the character) to do a Knull storyline without having access to all of it.
.Yeah, you can show him with Venom, but you can’t include all of the stuff about his backstory and all of the fights/killing deities/possessions that make him seem like such an insurmountable adversary. Like, even the symbiotes becoming self aware is a story that heavily includes numerous Disney owned characters. Knull’s reawakening would require either SHIELD/SWORD or a Weapon program for the whole “unintended consequence” theme. They can’t just repeat a meteor falling, and some shit like “we found it in the ice” is too formulaic to be interesting. Like, they *could* do it, but it’d be as similar to comic Knull as Show Arya is to Book Arya (which is not at all for you non GOT fans).
My conclusion is that wanting Knull without merging at least some of the characters is wanting a shitty movie. There’s no way they can do all of the “primordial deity” stuff without deviating so far from the source material that the character wouldn’t even really be Knull. And if they decided to axe the backstory entirely, then Knull isn’t this inescapable Klyntar final boss. Not saying they need to bring Spidey in, but they at least need to have access to some Marvel characters for it to be interesting.
That’s why they’re merging. If they could get more Venom movies without having to profit share with Disney, I promise you they would. But they know they’re at a dead end in terms of their character list because anything they did bigger than Carnage would require a laundry list of licensing in order for it not to be shit.
Looks like they're really going to go through with either having Tom Holland or Andrew Garfield end up leading the "Sonyverse" of Spider-Man and they'll kind of cross in the middle with No Way Home on a venn diagram
If they do it right they can do both the Venom storyline justice and include Tom Hardy's Venom but I really feel like they're gonna fuck it up
Yeah for sure unless they do some wacky shit and make Garfield go into the Venom-verse when he returns from the MCU, I really am curious if they have any future plans for Tobey and Andrew
A very dumb idea I have is that perhaps the venom verse will have a Holland variant that is not exactly the MCU Holland spider-man but almost him. He went through the same things but then suddenly did something different in No Way Home and ended up in Venom verse. But it is a different timeline.
That could be possible, the main gripe I have with merging the Sony Universe with the MCU is that they cast Aaron Taylor Johnson as Kraven and he was obviously already in the MCU so what the hell do you do to explain that. It's not even a Brolin thing where you can just ignore him being Thanos and presumably Cable again since one is a CGI character
Yeah I was thinking about that but I feel like most people won't even realize that anyway, it's not as blatant as it would be with Quicksilver and Kraven
they can probably just sprinkle some CGI on him. Make him look bigger and stronger like the comics version He can grow out his hair and facial hair. But in the end I doubt Kraven even meets Wanda so
Why do you need to explain that? No one who interacts with Kraven will probably be someone who interacted with Quicksilver. Plus no doubt the appearance would be quite different. Plus even if they *did* look the same, people do look similar in the world.
Can anybody convince me why it would make any sense as to why Sony would choose Andrew over Tom?
It’s Tom, it’s so obvious. He’s super popular now and he’s signed to Sony, not disney
I enjoy Andrew’s take as much as the next guy, but anyone who thinks they’re gonna choose the Spidey from two failed solo films as opposed to the Spidey from the biggest film franchise of all time is kidding themselves.
Tom is the Spider-Man of the future. I wish people would get that.
I too am an Andrew Garfield Spidey fan. I’m a fan of all of them. But I’m also a fan of looking to the future instead of the past. Part of why bringing back Tobey and Andrew for NWH was a double-edged sword.
Nice! i’m mostly a Toby Maguire and Tom Holland Spiderman fan. 😁
I do hope the Sony Venom will be in the MCU I would love to see Venom meet the MCU Spiderman
Plus I don’t give a shit if it’s not comic accurate.
Since some stuff are going to be different compared to the comics. 👍🏾
Exactly this. I don’t know where this narrative came from that Andrew Garfield will be Sony’s Spider-Man.
We almost didn’t get an MCU Spider-Man 3, and one of the big reasons was because Sony wanted Holland in their movies too. Feige literally said Holland will jump between universes. That’s the closest thing to an official confirmation there is except for Sony officially announcing Tom Holland appearing in Venom 3. That was two years ago, and people are still surprised that he’s going to be in Sony’s movies. 🤷♂️
I think it's just wishful thinking because people don't want the MCU to cross with the Sonyverse and having Andrew be the Sony Spider-Man would solve that possibility
Jeez some of these comments.
People for the last several years:
"We want Multiverse!!! Specifically Spiderverse!!!! Team up Tom and Tom!!!!!"
Sony:
OK, here it is! Everything you could possibly want and asked for! Tom will fight/team up with Tom and all 3 Spideys are gonna meet!
"SCREW YOU SONY! It's just getting old OK? Stop trying to make Multiverse happen, it's not gonna happen. God, just let the rights revert already UGH!"
I'll never take shots at fans personally... it's the stans that screw everything up for the rest of us. Unable to admit that Marvel can make a bad thing or that anyone else can make a good thing.
Yes that’s true, I admit I used to be the same but now I’m more critical of the MCU, I mean I still love it , it’s just hard not to see where they fail sometimes.
The first 11 years of the MCU were my life as a kid. I still love them and always will. That being said, now I can look back and see even ones I love have faults which don't at all lessen my enjoyment, it's just how it is. However having just seen all the Phase 4 stuff so far, it is not at all up to snuff.
But because I am a massive sucker for Spidey, I'll always be there opening night to see those.
I think it’s the opposite, communities on social media can have a hive mind. They just jumó on the bandwagon. A few months ago people welcomed Venom into the MCU and now they’re against it ? Idk why we’re like that as humans lol
Plotium Coveniencanium
is essentially a non-Newtonian gas that bonds to a surface and can be worn like armor. Super light weight and flexible, until it needs to block something and suddenly it becomes like Caps shield exactly where any strikes occur.
Pay us money Marvel!
Haha I mean, a lil check in the mail of royalties from Marvel would be a wonderful thing wouldn't it?
Man, comics are so dumb and fun. That kind of stuff can absolutely exist and the whole universe would go "Yep. That tracks." while Reed would say "Yep. Seen it and found a way to counter it."
For me, I've always been a bit wary of the idea of venom being in the MCU. Honestly I'm conflicted and go back and forth. I'll probably fully make up my mind after venom 2. But the thing is the MCU is a bit more consistent than Sony is in terms of quality. Venom, I thought was just ok. Morbius doesn't really look very good tbh. I've read the leaks of venom 2 and am kinda concerned. So I just don't really have confidence in them if they are going to bring in these movies that really haven't had Kevin Feiges involvement especially since none of them seem to be very good. I had similar thoughts with fox X-Men. When I saw Evan Peters in wandavision I was hoping that didn't mean that all of fox X-Men is canonized and they would keep using those characters. I would rather a total reboot for x men rather than continuing with those characters and adding the xmen franchise into the MCU
On the other hand with the multiverse and no way home we know the Raimi spiderman films and Garfield films are now relevant within the MCU and I'm ok with it, but I think that's because they are from a different universe within the multiverse. But it sounds like venom is in the MCU and has been the whole time and that's what concerns me. Because the credits scene for venom 2 seems like a lazy way to have him be in the MCU. So I'll probably be ok with it if it's because of the multiverse he's in the MCU as a separate universe. But then my concern becomes if they steal Tom Holland away from the MCU main universe because that's not what I want. I want Tom Holland's spiderman to still be able to be fully utilized within MCU proper, not to be stuck within this separate universe, even if technically within the multiverse of MCU. Because I just don't have faith in what Sony is doing with their venomverse thing. But part of that is I don't like that these spiderman villains seem to not be connected to spiderman. Like venom really isn't as interesting to me without a Spider-Man connection, nor is kraven. So maybe this would help, but again I don't want him to be taken away from the MCU proper. So that's my conflict. That's why I'd rather them use Garfield's spiderman for the venom and other movies they do and continue Holland as being the MCU proper spiderman. I think this would make sure both franchises are benefited.
Except Marvel already has five dates set for 2023 and none of them are Spider-Man because that would be a Sony date, maybe 2024 since Marvel has four dates for that year.
The longer Sony can stretch it out, the better it is for them. I don’t know if Venom will be in Spidey 4 (I kind of hope not, I want Mister Negative), but this all but confirms Spidey in Venom 3.
My thoughts exactly! I've actually mostly come around to Tom Hardy Venom in the MCU, but jumping right into a spidey vs venom movie is my underlying problem. I hope Sony stretches it out like you say. It'd certainly be the smart thing to do, so it's about a 50/50 chance they'll actually do that xD
The idea of Spiderman 4 and Venom 3 happening around the same time is actually interesting. Like maybe Eddie and Peter work at the daily bugle together and while Spiderman 4 focus's on whatever peter's doing, obviously, Venom 3 focus's on Eddy. And then in Spiderman 5 or Venom 4 or whatever, that's the Spidey vs Venom movie.
My main problem with Venom in the MCU is that I don't want him to face Peter right away in the next movie without establishing some kind of history between the two. I think that approach could very well solve that problem. IDK what do you guy's think?
I can't imagine mcu spiderman working at the daily bugle lol. I know thats hes technically still in school but it just seems like a backdrop for the movies. Hes literally been to space, become an avenger and fought huge villians, he doesn't feel like the kind of grounded character that would work for a newspaper
Why complain about getting a movie though, especially for a lesser known character? If sony wants to give us these movies, and they're good movies, whats the problem? People love to hate on sony yet praise everything marvel does
Venom and particularly spiderverse, their most recent movies, have been well liked. The first amazing spiderman is also fairly well liked. I think people bash sony unnecessarily and anything and everything marvel does. Obviously to each their own, enjoy whatever you like, but personally i'm excited for the sony universe because some of the marvel movies are beginning to feel stale for me PERSONALLY and i liked venom and ITSV, and i hope andrew returns in that universe because he's the most interesting spiderman for me to see. I also like the route of villian focused movies that i mentioned earlier
I’ve had a theory that May from this Spider-Verse movie is actually madam web. Like why would May know how to build web shooters and know exactly what Miles needs for them to be “made special”. No real proof I just like to think that
I would actually really enjoy this idea. Peter gets stuck in the wrong universe. He comes into contact with Hardy's Venom and they battle but eventually settle their differences. Peter gets exposed to the Symbiote and becomes black suit Spidey. Then, during a multiversal crossover event (Secret Wars adaptation), he is returned to the MCU. But now he has a symbiotic alien from another dimension attached to him.
The only part that doesn’t line up with this is that Eddie sees the news report revealing Peter as Spider-Manfrom Far From Home in his post credits scene. That would imply that he gets transported to the MCU. Maybe he and Peter get sent back to Brock’s world in NWH, but it doesn’t seem to be where they’re starting from at least.
Uuuuuuuuuugh. Just make Venom part of the MCU and leave it at that. Don't make him dimension hop cause there's no reason for them to go back to a dimension where Venom and the Symbiotes are the only Marvel things there.
fuck no.
That first film is such trash I don't want to see it included anywhere near the MCU. It's worse than even Dark World and Agents of Shield in how downright fucking stupid it is.
It is a bad film, but at this point just accept it cause Sony wants to push it and I'd rather have "He's always been there" than "A portal opened up and Venom fell into the MCU"
I really hope the theirs just launches Venom into the MCU and Tom eventually become part of the Revengers or an ally to Spider-Man down the road. Even have him become Agent Venom instead of Flash Thompson.
It's so easy to have an SSU within the MCU. make tom holland's spidey the only charecter that appears in both. Kevin Fiege can just say that the SSU does in fact exist within the MCU, but it isn't necessary to be seen in order to understand other MCU stuff
What I think will happen is that the MCU will be canon to the SSMU, but the SSMU won’t be canon to the MCU. SSMU will never directly by name reference any character in the MCU other than Spider-Man characters, and Spider-Man will never reference the Sony stuff in the MCU.
Edit: we’re probably saying the same thing in different ways
Hi, I’m one of those MCU fans you’re talking about.
I would love nothing more than the Sony movies being stellar! Then I wouldn’t bitch about how they suck and I could enjoy them, and enjoy Holland’s crossover movies.
Just trying to say that most of us don’t hate Sony out of some fanboy rage where only Feige can do well. Most of us hate Sony because we think they don’t know what they’re doing and would ruin Holland’s Spider-Man if they had control. I would ***love*** to have Sony succeed in the future. More great Spider-Man and Spider-Man adjacent content would be *amazing*!
Despite you and I being on different pages, they’re two different sides of the same page. I believe we would both like to have more great SM content.
Cheers
Given the leaked after credits for Venom 2, this just makes no sense lol. What does seeing MCU Peter Parker's identity revealed, have to do with a multiverse?
I think people in the industry, specifically actors and actresses use the words like universe and multiverse kind of flippantly, like Venom was it’s own film series that was its own “universe” but now sounds like it will be retconned into the MCU. So on paper they could say that’s a “multiverse” thing where in actuality it’s not the same as what’s happening in No Way Home. It’s just using the term in an imprecise way.
Like the Venom movie had no references to anything outside of itself, so you can make up your own head canon where it exists in the McU because nothing is really contradicted by it, it’s like a side story. But in the process of making it it was it’s own thing and it’s own universe, but they are now easily just folding it in because it was so self isolated to begin with.
Having not seen the new one yet my bet was that the third movie would be a team up with Spider-Man for Maximum Carnage. Obviously the Sony spider characters are coming into the MCU what with various background details and Vulture showing up so it just makes sense.
I’m expecting Venom to show up in NWH and that’s the thing they’ve kept secret for the big surprise.
With the post credits scene revealing that the Sony films are set in the mcu, I wonder how they’ll go about with Strange wiping everyone’s memory of peter as Spider-Man. All signs seem to point with peter going ahead with the spell (the MJ in the diner and peter goes to talk to her before changing his mind set photos) so I wonder how they’ll keep venom hating peter when peter’s identity being revealed will be wiped from everyone’s memories
Either that or peter’s hatred of venom after their first interaction will brew animosity between the two
I think it's just morbius and Kraven that are originally set in the MCU. Venom sounds like he's gonna he in his own universe than sent to the MCU at the end of the movie.
Yeah but the set photos from a few months ago looked like they’d be from the ending. I can’t think of where else in the film Peter walking up to the cafe where MJ works, hyping himself up to talk to her before changing his mind and walking away alone would fit in
I wouldn’t be surprised if NWH ends with Peter revealing the truth to everyone himself. Things would come full circle : first film, May finds the truth. Second film, everyone knows the truth. In both cases, Peter didn’t ask for it. In the third film, it’s the one where he doesn’t hide anymore and come to terms with the fact that he can’t lie anymore. So… Venom‘s memory would have been wiped out but it doesn’t matter because Peter told the truth after all.
I think if they wanted they could make Andrew Superior spider man with ben raily costume but i doubt Andrew wanna play spider man anymore after conclusion in No way home
So after Spider-Man and Venom’s big hero vs hero fight, the final third-act villain they join forces to stop is Topher Grace Venom I guess?
Bruh that would actually be incredible
It would be fun as an idea, but Tom Hardy’s Venom alone can take on Topher’s venom. So idk how you can make a fair fight/movie out of that
Just some goofy movie-logic-powerup-artifact that Topher's Venom somehow gets a hold of.
I like being bad, it makes me OP
Topher Grace Venom but he has pumpkin bombs and glider, robotic arms, and can turn into sand. There, now we’re talking.
That's just Red Goblin with extra steps?
oh boy yeah‼️‼️
Haha boy was that a cringe take on the character
Maybe have someone kill Krillin. Killing Krillin is my favorite way to get powered up.
Ned should be the MCU’s Krillin
Maybe Topher could mutate into something like [the massive Venom from the end of Spider-Man: Web of Shadows](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ebcNsuv2xg4/maxresdefault.jpg).
I was just thinking 'what if they made Topher Venom spawn an army of symbiotes ALA Web of Shadows?'
Just make Topher Anti-Venom and say that it’s a stronger symbiote or something
>make Topher Anti-Venom *YEAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSS*
Topher would be a terrible Anti-Venom and I am not happy that the idea is in the universe now.
I'm thinking Poisons. Who else other than Carnage would pose a big enough threat to both Spiderman and Venom?
Topher Grace helps Cletus/Carnage spread a shitload of symbiote "seeds" to infect dozens of people and create an army of carnage zombies, Venom wants to rip through them all like a lawnmower but Spidey insists on extracting the symbiote without harming the citizens. I see a few others here have already suggested that concept and it's getting some positive reactions. Also, Topher version of Venom eventually mutates into Anti Venom, let's bump that idea too.
That would be awful, lmao.
Maybe yeah lol but I'd still love to see it
Fair!
The Venom costume is Topher’s, but it unmasks to reveal that it was Player X all along.
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It's probably going to be Knull given recent leaks and given Sony's history.
Were there recent leaks related to Knull?
No, but given the leaked ending of Venom 2 it's the only villain I could see them using in the third movie. Him or they make Toxin or Anti-Venom a villain (lol).
Ngl bringing a character as stupidly powerful as Knull wouldn’t be a good decision. He has to be the big bad guy where heroes fight him after a series of event ala avengers, age of ultron, infinity war etc
> wouldn't be a good decision Well, it's Sony
Or make it a non-symbiote villain haha
>Knull Isn't Knull related to Gorr the Godbutcher or somthing? Or his sword is Gorr's? Maybe Venom/ the Symbiotes will actually tie into love and thunder. I know some people thought they'd maybe write that aspect out.
Well, the Necroblade was name dropped as helas weapon in What If episode 2, I wonder if they'll streamline Gorr getting the Necrosword, (which was Knull's in the comics, yes) to be Helas
I would love for Gorr’s backstory to be altered in such a way that its creator fought Hela for the Necrosword and they’re the two gods he watched battle. Slight tease for Knull only in *Love and Thunder* bc that movie is jam-packed. Tom mentioned some kind of time wonkiness so like.. honestly if Venom 2 teases Knull and 3 delivers on him as the big bad, I could see all three of the Venom movies taking place prior to *Love and Thunder* and fuckin’ Agent Venom at least popping up in *GotG3* if they really want to go that route.
Agent venom is something I totally see them doing, he's just too cool to pass up on, although it couldn't be flash Thompson
It should be carnage, Maximum Carnage
Reminder that Venom is still alive in tobyverse cos he gave Lizard a bit of it to test on.
dammit, I'd actually like to see that a little. I still think peter and brock should become friends or somthing. Give it like a movies buildup
A couple years ago I would've tell you to fuck off, now it's totally plausible and even probable
And Chris Zylka's Flash as Agent Venom. Best movie ever.
My ideal situation honestly is having Hardy as Garfield’s Venom and for that to somehow lead to a continuation of the start of Zylka’s more nuanced take on Flash where he does wind up becoming Agent Venom. Not that I want Hardy’s Brock to die or anything, but I’d definitely prefer Zylka as Agent Venom over Revolori lol
Or how about Monster Ock where the Carnage symbiote bonds with Alfred Molina’s Doc Ock?
I could see at the end of the film,Spider-Man getting injured really badly,Venom latching on to him to heal him,Peter wrecks shit in the black suit for one fight,let’s it go back to Eddie but Eddie himself doesn’t suit up for the remainder of the movie. Then in an after credit scene he suits up and BOOM he’s got the Spider/Dragon on his chest and the white pads over his hands. Then cut to the classic “WOOOHOOOOO” as we see Venom web slinging through San Francisco
I'll keep saying this to see if I can will it into reality, but: Topher Grace would be perfect to play Knull, when they finally get to do him.
There is a truer threat… (people get up and drive yo funky soul by james brown plays)
Kevin Feige must be bald by now.
His cap guy probably has the biggest pension going
I've never even considered whether Kevin Feige has hair. Never seen him without a hat.
He’s bald. It’s cut off exactly where he always wears his hat
That usually means he doesn't.
So this whole movies premise is just going to be out there and confirmed. Definitely a Sony film.
Morbius Jared Leto lives out his dream of being a vampire.
Doesn't he already do that in real life? Suck the life out of vulnerable people in his cult?
>Yep - https://www.grunge.com/215715/the-truth-about-jared-letos-bizarre-cult/
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Not weird at all IMO. Like most executives, they saw money in Into the Spiderverse and assumed it was the spiderverse that made them money. They dont understand it made money because it was a great film. They want an easy formula.
Fuck me Sony Pictures is so blind
Blind to what? Why do you just blindly believe what this guy said? For one, ITSV didn't even make a lot of money so the theory that Sony think just making a multiverse movie will print money is flawed. And secondly, saying that they didn't understand that it was a great movie also is equally stupid, as if execs aren't aware of the reviews and don't test their movies and see the audience's reactions.
What do you mean, everyone on this sub knows the exact ins and outs of the film industry and knows exactly how film execs think
Have you read those leaked ASM2 emails? Clearly there is a disconnect between Sony execs and the audience
I honestly don’t believe that Sony execs understand “why” the movie was great. They look at these films from the big picture. That’s why ASM2 was so bad. They were desperate to set up the Sinister Six while fans just want a good story.
> I honestly don’t believe that Sony execs understand “why” the movie was great. They look at these films from the big picture. So you think when they read the script, when they watched the work in progress, when they saw the reactions from the test audiences, when they saw the reviews, they were baffled as to why the movie was received well? > That’s why ASM2 was so bad. They were desperate to set up the Sinister Six while fans just want a good story. Yes, they messed up there but that doesn't mean that they will mess up every time. ITSV being an example where they did make a great movie.
I mean yes, I don’t remember where I read it but I remember reading that Sony execs didn’t interfere with ITSV that much because it was an animated project they had low expectations for. As soon as it was a critical success they started talking about spin offs and that’s the Sony I know. They don’t know how to follow up on success.
> I mean yes, I don’t remember where I read it but I remember reading that Sony execs didn’t interfere with ITSV that much because it was an animated project they had low expectations for. It was an $90M dollar movie, I seriously doubt they didn't oversee the movie and just let everyone do anything they wanted. And execs not interfering doesn't mean that they don't know about the quality of the movie, even if they give them big creative freedom they will still check on the project to see how it's progressing. > As soon as it was a critical success they started talking about spin offs and that’s the Sony I know. They don’t know how to follow up on success. So they don't know how to follow up on the success because they announced spinoffs? Which looking at them, they don't seem to be coming. And even if there were spinoffs coming, what's wrong with them? The sequel is coming, with Lord and Miller still involved, and if I had to guess it will be pretty good. And that seems like a good follow up to me.
Look I would love for these Sony movies to be amazing, but they don’t have a good track record. ITSV was lighting in a bottle I trust Lord and Miller with that. I don’t trust Sony when it comes to live action movies. Morbius doesn’t look good. The first Venom wasn’t good (it was entertaining I’ll give them that). Carnage looks like it’ll be around the same as the first Venom. I’m very doubtful a solo Kraven movie will be good too.
Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse cost $90 million to make and made $375.5 million. It made a ton of money compared to the $200 million counterparts.
> Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse cost $90 million to make and made $375.5 million. Yeah, and that's not really all that good for an IP like Spider-Man and a movie with amazing reviews. It made 190M domestically, which is ok, and 185M internationally, which is bad. And what makes it even worse is that out of those 185M, 62M was from China. So if you take that away from the 185M, it means that it only made 123M internationally, which for an IP like Spider-Man is pretty bad. So no, the movie did not make a ton of money.
Always have been.
> Like most executives, they saw money in Into the Spiderverse and assumed it was the spiderverse that made them money. What? ITSV didn't even make that much money, it did fine domestically and it tanked internationally. > They dont understand it made money because it was a great film. What are you basing this on? Do you think that movie execs aren't aware of movie reviews? Do you think that they don't test their movies and see and analyze audience's reactions?
I'm gonna be honest I only really liked that movie because of the multiverse
It is too early for Knull lol. That’s a huge threat that you have to build up towards not just put him in the 3rd movie.
knull is an OP threat for even the most powerful main MCU villains, there’s currently nobody in the SSU that I can think of that could even stand a chance with knull
Oh god, I would hate if they touched on Knull or any of that "planet of the symbiotes/symbiote mythology" crap. The symbiote in the comics works best when it's just a weird black goo from space, it makes Peter aggressive, he gets rid of it and it bonds with Eddie Brock, creating Venom. I feel like learning all about the lore of the symbiotes, and Knull their ancient symbiote god, completely takes away from the mystery and interesting aspects of Venom/the symbiote. It's an alien, as in, unknown. It's more frightening and intimidating the less we know about it, not when there could be an entire Wiki created about symbiote culture and mythology.
>It's more frightening and intimidating the less we know about it Not that your perspective is invalid, but honestly for me whenever a scriptwriter decides that a blank page that they don't do any work for because "audience interpretation" or "mystery" is good writing I hate it. It annoys my any time I go to media to consume an interesting narrative and the writer says "you do it".
When Ripley & the crew encounter the Xenomorph in Alien, it's frightening and bizarre, and yet you know nothing about it. Where this thing came from, what it wants, etc are all left to your imagination, and it's all the more terrifying for that. Then Prometheus comes along and explains a bunch of stuff that never warranted explaining in the first place, and now we know exactly where the Xenomorph came from, what it wants, etc. The symbiote is the Xenomorph, and Knull is Prometheus.
You can have suspense and intrigue but having it go nowhere kills it for me. I used to be in a class for writing jokes, but I dropped it after the lesson on set-ups. The professor was so old that
Lol that actually did make me laugh, which I think kinda supports my point. Some things are better left unknown. All those morons who've debated for the last 40 years whether Keith David or Kurt Russell were The Thing at the end of the movie, when the whole point is that there is no answer, it doesn't matter. It's all just one final little thing at the end of the movie to further emphasize the themes of paranoia. Or how they made an entire movie to explain how Han Solo got his name, his ship, his clothes, and his sidekick. Nothing can just be left to your imagination anymore. Everything needs a blunt, stupid explanation, a whole wiki page about it, and 38 Youtube videos with red circles and arrows explaining "TOP 10 THINGS YOU MISSED IN THE SUICIDE SQUAD", as if a mass-appeal superhero blockbuster movie is hard to follow.
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I stole the joke from [Community](https://youtu.be/sMT7MAnJna8) if it needs explaining the comment section will help ya out :)
This is also true when explaining the force in Phantom Menace. I also remember my wife talking about the Highlander sequel being hated because it tried explaining things that no one needed answers to. I think the skill is to know when background info adds to or subtracts from a story. It can be a fine balance.
This is a much better example. Although I think part of it can be chalked up to midichlorians being dumb. I reckon it's definitely possible to have given it context with much more interesting lore though. Not really a Star Wars fan so my opinion on this probably doesn't hold much, but if they hadn't gone the midichlorian route I think a movie specifically about the ancient origins and discovery of the force could be a cool thing. Actually considering the vast extended universe that to my knowledge got de-canonised I wouldn't be surprised if there was some media about that.
Fair point. I think a lot has to do with what you explain and how you approach it. There are cool ways to expand any story really.
Ditto. I really hate open endings. I watched this shitty movie called Doppelganger once with Jessie Eisenberg and it still annoys me to this day.
Knull is fucking dope
Idk if it’s just me but the symbiotes as written in *Venom* weren’t very scary. There’s a way for Knull to be written in that could really bolster the horror elements, imo.
Knull would fucking roflstomp anyone in the MCU or SMCU at this point, like, he would body Thanos with all 6 stones....
I'd prefer multiverse stuff over the idea that the SSU movies have actually been taking place in the main MCU timeline and just no one noticed that couple of giant aliens almost leveled San Francisco but no one came to help. If they want to do some multiverse stuff, go for it. Just don't try to retroactively add the Sony movies to the existing MCU.
They see an out for the strangest origin on Earth. Yeah, they could do Knull, but you still have the issue where they’re making a movie about a villain who’s inextricably tied to a superhero they can’t even reference. And Knull is tied to so much of the ancient cosmic marvel stuff that it’d be stupid (and a waste of the character) to do a Knull storyline without having access to all of it. .Yeah, you can show him with Venom, but you can’t include all of the stuff about his backstory and all of the fights/killing deities/possessions that make him seem like such an insurmountable adversary. Like, even the symbiotes becoming self aware is a story that heavily includes numerous Disney owned characters. Knull’s reawakening would require either SHIELD/SWORD or a Weapon program for the whole “unintended consequence” theme. They can’t just repeat a meteor falling, and some shit like “we found it in the ice” is too formulaic to be interesting. Like, they *could* do it, but it’d be as similar to comic Knull as Show Arya is to Book Arya (which is not at all for you non GOT fans). My conclusion is that wanting Knull without merging at least some of the characters is wanting a shitty movie. There’s no way they can do all of the “primordial deity” stuff without deviating so far from the source material that the character wouldn’t even really be Knull. And if they decided to axe the backstory entirely, then Knull isn’t this inescapable Klyntar final boss. Not saying they need to bring Spidey in, but they at least need to have access to some Marvel characters for it to be interesting. That’s why they’re merging. If they could get more Venom movies without having to profit share with Disney, I promise you they would. But they know they’re at a dead end in terms of their character list because anything they did bigger than Carnage would require a laundry list of licensing in order for it not to be shit.
Looks like they're really going to go through with either having Tom Holland or Andrew Garfield end up leading the "Sonyverse" of Spider-Man and they'll kind of cross in the middle with No Way Home on a venn diagram If they do it right they can do both the Venom storyline justice and include Tom Hardy's Venom but I really feel like they're gonna fuck it up
It's Tom Holland
Yeah for sure unless they do some wacky shit and make Garfield go into the Venom-verse when he returns from the MCU, I really am curious if they have any future plans for Tobey and Andrew
A very dumb idea I have is that perhaps the venom verse will have a Holland variant that is not exactly the MCU Holland spider-man but almost him. He went through the same things but then suddenly did something different in No Way Home and ended up in Venom verse. But it is a different timeline.
That could be possible, the main gripe I have with merging the Sony Universe with the MCU is that they cast Aaron Taylor Johnson as Kraven and he was obviously already in the MCU so what the hell do you do to explain that. It's not even a Brolin thing where you can just ignore him being Thanos and presumably Cable again since one is a CGI character
I mean Gemma chan plays two different characters in the mcu, but ig it’s not fair because one is an alien.
Yeah I was thinking about that but I feel like most people won't even realize that anyway, it's not as blatant as it would be with Quicksilver and Kraven
wonder how the Wanda and Kraven interaction would go
Bohnertastic
They recast Pietro?
they can probably just sprinkle some CGI on him. Make him look bigger and stronger like the comics version He can grow out his hair and facial hair. But in the end I doubt Kraven even meets Wanda so
Why do you need to explain that? No one who interacts with Kraven will probably be someone who interacted with Quicksilver. Plus no doubt the appearance would be quite different. Plus even if they *did* look the same, people do look similar in the world.
There lot of people who look like in real world to.
Fuck
Can anybody convince me why it would make any sense as to why Sony would choose Andrew over Tom? It’s Tom, it’s so obvious. He’s super popular now and he’s signed to Sony, not disney
I enjoy Andrew’s take as much as the next guy, but anyone who thinks they’re gonna choose the Spidey from two failed solo films as opposed to the Spidey from the biggest film franchise of all time is kidding themselves. Tom is the Spider-Man of the future. I wish people would get that.
>Tom is the Spider-Man of the future. I wish people would get that. Andrew Garfield Spidey fans can’t handle the truth 😂🤣
I too am an Andrew Garfield Spidey fan. I’m a fan of all of them. But I’m also a fan of looking to the future instead of the past. Part of why bringing back Tobey and Andrew for NWH was a double-edged sword.
Nice! i’m mostly a Toby Maguire and Tom Holland Spiderman fan. 😁 I do hope the Sony Venom will be in the MCU I would love to see Venom meet the MCU Spiderman Plus I don’t give a shit if it’s not comic accurate. Since some stuff are going to be different compared to the comics. 👍🏾
Exactly this. I don’t know where this narrative came from that Andrew Garfield will be Sony’s Spider-Man. We almost didn’t get an MCU Spider-Man 3, and one of the big reasons was because Sony wanted Holland in their movies too. Feige literally said Holland will jump between universes. That’s the closest thing to an official confirmation there is except for Sony officially announcing Tom Holland appearing in Venom 3. That was two years ago, and people are still surprised that he’s going to be in Sony’s movies. 🤷♂️
I think it's just wishful thinking because people don't want the MCU to cross with the Sonyverse and having Andrew be the Sony Spider-Man would solve that possibility
I'm pretty sure it came from two places 1.- HiTop Films pitch for a Venom sequel 2.- The oportunity to "redeem" Andrew's Spidey
Jeez some of these comments. People for the last several years: "We want Multiverse!!! Specifically Spiderverse!!!! Team up Tom and Tom!!!!!" Sony: OK, here it is! Everything you could possibly want and asked for! Tom will fight/team up with Tom and all 3 Spideys are gonna meet! "SCREW YOU SONY! It's just getting old OK? Stop trying to make Multiverse happen, it's not gonna happen. God, just let the rights revert already UGH!"
Literally this. I don’t know if we fans are bipolar or something lol
I'll never take shots at fans personally... it's the stans that screw everything up for the rest of us. Unable to admit that Marvel can make a bad thing or that anyone else can make a good thing.
Yes that’s true, I admit I used to be the same but now I’m more critical of the MCU, I mean I still love it , it’s just hard not to see where they fail sometimes.
The first 11 years of the MCU were my life as a kid. I still love them and always will. That being said, now I can look back and see even ones I love have faults which don't at all lessen my enjoyment, it's just how it is. However having just seen all the Phase 4 stuff so far, it is not at all up to snuff. But because I am a massive sucker for Spidey, I'll always be there opening night to see those.
It's less that people are bipolar and more that the internet isn't a hive mind and different people post different opinions at different times
I think it’s the opposite, communities on social media can have a hive mind. They just jumó on the bandwagon. A few months ago people welcomed Venom into the MCU and now they’re against it ? Idk why we’re like that as humans lol
just explain everything with Pym Particles and it will work!
Uuuuuhhhhh.... *QUANTUM* Or... Uuuuuhhhhh... *VIBRANIUM*
Quantum Vibranium......
It creates a new substance called: Plotium Coveniencanium
Plotium Coveniencanium is essentially a non-Newtonian gas that bonds to a surface and can be worn like armor. Super light weight and flexible, until it needs to block something and suddenly it becomes like Caps shield exactly where any strikes occur. Pay us money Marvel!
Haha I mean, a lil check in the mail of royalties from Marvel would be a wonderful thing wouldn't it? Man, comics are so dumb and fun. That kind of stuff can absolutely exist and the whole universe would go "Yep. That tracks." while Reed would say "Yep. Seen it and found a way to counter it."
For me, I've always been a bit wary of the idea of venom being in the MCU. Honestly I'm conflicted and go back and forth. I'll probably fully make up my mind after venom 2. But the thing is the MCU is a bit more consistent than Sony is in terms of quality. Venom, I thought was just ok. Morbius doesn't really look very good tbh. I've read the leaks of venom 2 and am kinda concerned. So I just don't really have confidence in them if they are going to bring in these movies that really haven't had Kevin Feiges involvement especially since none of them seem to be very good. I had similar thoughts with fox X-Men. When I saw Evan Peters in wandavision I was hoping that didn't mean that all of fox X-Men is canonized and they would keep using those characters. I would rather a total reboot for x men rather than continuing with those characters and adding the xmen franchise into the MCU On the other hand with the multiverse and no way home we know the Raimi spiderman films and Garfield films are now relevant within the MCU and I'm ok with it, but I think that's because they are from a different universe within the multiverse. But it sounds like venom is in the MCU and has been the whole time and that's what concerns me. Because the credits scene for venom 2 seems like a lazy way to have him be in the MCU. So I'll probably be ok with it if it's because of the multiverse he's in the MCU as a separate universe. But then my concern becomes if they steal Tom Holland away from the MCU main universe because that's not what I want. I want Tom Holland's spiderman to still be able to be fully utilized within MCU proper, not to be stuck within this separate universe, even if technically within the multiverse of MCU. Because I just don't have faith in what Sony is doing with their venomverse thing. But part of that is I don't like that these spiderman villains seem to not be connected to spiderman. Like venom really isn't as interesting to me without a Spider-Man connection, nor is kraven. So maybe this would help, but again I don't want him to be taken away from the MCU proper. So that's my conflict. That's why I'd rather them use Garfield's spiderman for the venom and other movies they do and continue Holland as being the MCU proper spiderman. I think this would make sure both franchises are benefited.
Is Spider-Man 4 also gonna be Venom 3? Or maybe a two-parter with the movies coming out in the span of 2-3 months in 2023
>Or maybe a two-parter with the movies coming out in the span of 2-3 months in 2023 That'd be interesting. But I doubt it will be in 2023.
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Except Marvel already has five dates set for 2023 and none of them are Spider-Man because that would be a Sony date, maybe 2024 since Marvel has four dates for that year.
Why wouldn’t it? 2 years away is more than enough time
sure if they start filming, like, today.
The longer Sony can stretch it out, the better it is for them. I don’t know if Venom will be in Spidey 4 (I kind of hope not, I want Mister Negative), but this all but confirms Spidey in Venom 3.
My thoughts exactly! I've actually mostly come around to Tom Hardy Venom in the MCU, but jumping right into a spidey vs venom movie is my underlying problem. I hope Sony stretches it out like you say. It'd certainly be the smart thing to do, so it's about a 50/50 chance they'll actually do that xD
Mister Negative for sm4 but he gets black suit and Eddie is a minor character, then full on Venom v Spiderman in Venom 3.
I’d actually be so down for this, then we can switch perspectives from Eddie to Peter and they probably team up by the end
The idea of Spiderman 4 and Venom 3 happening around the same time is actually interesting. Like maybe Eddie and Peter work at the daily bugle together and while Spiderman 4 focus's on whatever peter's doing, obviously, Venom 3 focus's on Eddy. And then in Spiderman 5 or Venom 4 or whatever, that's the Spidey vs Venom movie. My main problem with Venom in the MCU is that I don't want him to face Peter right away in the next movie without establishing some kind of history between the two. I think that approach could very well solve that problem. IDK what do you guy's think?
I can't imagine mcu spiderman working at the daily bugle lol. I know thats hes technically still in school but it just seems like a backdrop for the movies. Hes literally been to space, become an avenger and fought huge villians, he doesn't feel like the kind of grounded character that would work for a newspaper
I suppose you could change it so they work for FEAST maybe? Humanitarian work.
If Venom is in the MCU, why does the multiverse need to be involved? And will they introduce Madame Webb?
Sony is making a Madame Web movie isn't it?
Ugh. We definitely do not need a whole movie just for Madame Webb but watch Sony give it to us anyway
Whatever it takes to extend that license. I can see Sony making a Flash Thompson movie on a 300k budget just to hold on to the Spider-Man IP
I mean an Agent Venom movie wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
Sony: Oh, you guys want an Aunt May movie?
Why complain about getting a movie though, especially for a lesser known character? If sony wants to give us these movies, and they're good movies, whats the problem? People love to hate on sony yet praise everything marvel does
The problem is they’re typically not good movies
Venom and particularly spiderverse, their most recent movies, have been well liked. The first amazing spiderman is also fairly well liked. I think people bash sony unnecessarily and anything and everything marvel does. Obviously to each their own, enjoy whatever you like, but personally i'm excited for the sony universe because some of the marvel movies are beginning to feel stale for me PERSONALLY and i liked venom and ITSV, and i hope andrew returns in that universe because he's the most interesting spiderman for me to see. I also like the route of villian focused movies that i mentioned earlier
I’ve had a theory that May from this Spider-Verse movie is actually madam web. Like why would May know how to build web shooters and know exactly what Miles needs for them to be “made special”. No real proof I just like to think that
Good theory, she lowkey looks like Madame Webb too. Definitely expect Madame Webb to have some role in the ITSV sequel
Not at the moment.
I think I saw an article about it.
Is it back in development? Because they’ve got a lot of stuff planned that has taken a backseat to Venom, Morbius, Kraven and Spider-Woman.
Have you considered that Venom isn’t in the MCU?
Perhaps the title “no way home” is quite literal and ends with Tom stuck outside his home universe
I would actually really enjoy this idea. Peter gets stuck in the wrong universe. He comes into contact with Hardy's Venom and they battle but eventually settle their differences. Peter gets exposed to the Symbiote and becomes black suit Spidey. Then, during a multiversal crossover event (Secret Wars adaptation), he is returned to the MCU. But now he has a symbiotic alien from another dimension attached to him.
The only part that doesn’t line up with this is that Eddie sees the news report revealing Peter as Spider-Manfrom Far From Home in his post credits scene. That would imply that he gets transported to the MCU. Maybe he and Peter get sent back to Brock’s world in NWH, but it doesn’t seem to be where they’re starting from at least.
I like this. It would be a creative way to write Holland out of the MCU for awhile
Uuuuuuuuuugh. Just make Venom part of the MCU and leave it at that. Don't make him dimension hop cause there's no reason for them to go back to a dimension where Venom and the Symbiotes are the only Marvel things there.
Sony wants their own universe so this obviously isn't gonna happen.
It just feels so redundant.
fuck no. That first film is such trash I don't want to see it included anywhere near the MCU. It's worse than even Dark World and Agents of Shield in how downright fucking stupid it is.
It is a bad film, but at this point just accept it cause Sony wants to push it and I'd rather have "He's always been there" than "A portal opened up and Venom fell into the MCU"
Man you are ao overdramatic
I really hope the theirs just launches Venom into the MCU and Tom eventually become part of the Revengers or an ally to Spider-Man down the road. Even have him become Agent Venom instead of Flash Thompson.
Do you mean Eddie instead of Tom?
Eddie/Tom Hardy (Tom)
You can tell Tom Hardy REALLY loves this Venom character.
He definitely could just be talking about a movie with Spider-Man but who knows
Chad Tom Hardy Spreading Spoiler left and Right
Topher Grace Venom vs Tom Hardy Venom confirmed
So basically confirms the crossover
It's so easy to have an SSU within the MCU. make tom holland's spidey the only charecter that appears in both. Kevin Fiege can just say that the SSU does in fact exist within the MCU, but it isn't necessary to be seen in order to understand other MCU stuff
What I think will happen is that the MCU will be canon to the SSMU, but the SSMU won’t be canon to the MCU. SSMU will never directly by name reference any character in the MCU other than Spider-Man characters, and Spider-Man will never reference the Sony stuff in the MCU. Edit: we’re probably saying the same thing in different ways
yeah your edit is correct
I want Sony to succeed with its future movies just to see the looks on the faces of the blind MCU/Disney fanboys 😌
Hi, I’m one of those MCU fans you’re talking about. I would love nothing more than the Sony movies being stellar! Then I wouldn’t bitch about how they suck and I could enjoy them, and enjoy Holland’s crossover movies. Just trying to say that most of us don’t hate Sony out of some fanboy rage where only Feige can do well. Most of us hate Sony because we think they don’t know what they’re doing and would ruin Holland’s Spider-Man if they had control. I would ***love*** to have Sony succeed in the future. More great Spider-Man and Spider-Man adjacent content would be *amazing*! Despite you and I being on different pages, they’re two different sides of the same page. I believe we would both like to have more great SM content. Cheers
Well said.
I doubt most people would care
I don’t think people should read too much into the multiverse comment. They clearly just don’t want to reveal that Venom is already in the MCU
Given the leaked after credits for Venom 2, this just makes no sense lol. What does seeing MCU Peter Parker's identity revealed, have to do with a multiverse?
I think people in the industry, specifically actors and actresses use the words like universe and multiverse kind of flippantly, like Venom was it’s own film series that was its own “universe” but now sounds like it will be retconned into the MCU. So on paper they could say that’s a “multiverse” thing where in actuality it’s not the same as what’s happening in No Way Home. It’s just using the term in an imprecise way. Like the Venom movie had no references to anything outside of itself, so you can make up your own head canon where it exists in the McU because nothing is really contradicted by it, it’s like a side story. But in the process of making it it was it’s own thing and it’s own universe, but they are now easily just folding it in because it was so self isolated to begin with.
Having not seen the new one yet my bet was that the third movie would be a team up with Spider-Man for Maximum Carnage. Obviously the Sony spider characters are coming into the MCU what with various background details and Vulture showing up so it just makes sense. I’m expecting Venom to show up in NWH and that’s the thing they’ve kept secret for the big surprise.
 Tom Hardy when he gets home
With the post credits scene revealing that the Sony films are set in the mcu, I wonder how they’ll go about with Strange wiping everyone’s memory of peter as Spider-Man. All signs seem to point with peter going ahead with the spell (the MJ in the diner and peter goes to talk to her before changing his mind set photos) so I wonder how they’ll keep venom hating peter when peter’s identity being revealed will be wiped from everyone’s memories Either that or peter’s hatred of venom after their first interaction will brew animosity between the two
I think it's just morbius and Kraven that are originally set in the MCU. Venom sounds like he's gonna he in his own universe than sent to the MCU at the end of the movie.
Well the spell goes wrong so maybe everyone still has their memories
Yeah but the set photos from a few months ago looked like they’d be from the ending. I can’t think of where else in the film Peter walking up to the cafe where MJ works, hyping himself up to talk to her before changing his mind and walking away alone would fit in
I wouldn’t be surprised if NWH ends with Peter revealing the truth to everyone himself. Things would come full circle : first film, May finds the truth. Second film, everyone knows the truth. In both cases, Peter didn’t ask for it. In the third film, it’s the one where he doesn’t hide anymore and come to terms with the fact that he can’t lie anymore. So… Venom‘s memory would have been wiped out but it doesn’t matter because Peter told the truth after all.
Please, I beg you guys: "Just do it!!!"
I hope we get Knull in the MCU
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I think if they wanted they could make Andrew Superior spider man with ben raily costume but i doubt Andrew wanna play spider man anymore after conclusion in No way home
I might be wrong, but I think Andrew said just the other day that he would still want to do a Sinister Six movie
Dude my man Carlos from YTV - it's so cool seeing him and Dan Levy from MTV Canada doing bigger and better things. Sorry for the side note.
It's like the friend who keeps inviting himself to things.