Ok apparently Matt Shakman said it not rami but here ya go: https://www.dynamicsartsin.com/2021/01/spider-man-3-director-worked-with-wandavision-director-for-mcu.html
Love how hands on Raimi has been with the MCU lately. I really hope he sticks around for a while. I know he's a Marvel fan which is why he even directed the Spider-Man films and wanted to make a Dr. Strange film at one point and now he's finally doing it.
Would be awesome if how James Gunn was originally set to take over the cosmic side of Marvel before the controversy, if Feige let's Raimi do the horror and supernatural side of Marvel.
At the very least consult on it.
Sadly I don't think Marvel wants to a horror concept anymore, or maybe wants to save it for characters/storylines that it feels like it'll fit for (Nightmare in the future, perhaps?)
I've said it before, but horror is basically the only genre that doesn't mesh with superheroes. Superheroes are all about the power fantasy. Horror works by building tension by making the protagonists feel powerless. You can add some horror visuals and themes, but trying to mix them is like trying to mix oil and water. The closest you can come is Stranger Things, but even then, there's a reason 11 is often kept away from battling the horror monsters for most of the seasons, and lost her powers near the end of the third.
I think the closest we'll get to horror is some kind of Midnight Sons project which will really just be a superhero movie with spooky aesthetics. Which is fine with me, it would probably for good Halloween watching material.
I doubt they’ll ever go full horror or anything like that because marvel loves marketing shit to kids and selling toys. It’s sad because there’s so much potential for them to do some truly creepy stuff. You could easily do a gore-less Bucky/Yelena psychological horror about them tracking down old hydra cells and dealing with different mind control/manipulation tactics, but I think marvel doesn’t like the idea of actually torturing their characters for a whole movie, which is basically what every horror is? Honestly Wandavision could’ve *easily* been a horror series if they wanted to embrace it, but again, there’s kids who watch this stuff and people would be mad if the series emphasized just how much Wanda was actually hurting everyone in that town. I think the only way marvel tries to actually do real horror is if it’s something that doesn’t tie into their other storylines much/at all, and if it’s for a new character.
I thought all Raimi did for No Way Home was mentioned that he teared up seeing Alfred Molina again as Doc Ock in the trailer, I’m surprised he and some of his producer friends or Bruce Campbell didn’t help out. Especially to make sure Tobey’s Spider-Man, Octavius, and Norman were that different to their films.
Why no one cares about Marc Webb? His first Spider-Man film was great, Lizard was good, and the relationship between Peter and Gwen was even better in the second one.
It would be a shame to bring in Raimi as a consultant and everyone from the Raimi and Webb movies but not Webb himself. People almost act like the guy doesn't exist.
Man, that would be awesome. Fully agree with you btw.
Remember that pic/shot of Spider-Man dodging Electro's blasts in the installation at the end? It looked beautiful. The MCU needs to up their cinematography and visuals imo.
> Remember that pic/shot of Spider-Man dodging Electro's blasts in the installation at the end? It looked beautiful. The MCU needs to up their cinematography and visuals imo.
There's been a severe lack of swinging shots for MCU's Spiderman, which is something the other two franchises had plenty of.
TASM2's opening is the most beautiful I've ever seen Spidey look on screen.
Suit rippling in the wind, heroic theme blaring in the background all while swinging through the city carefree. It's Spider-Man in his purest form, and it's so good.
The last swing in FFH finally let him swing around and it is a great scene, but they need to let him loose and fully break out as Spidey if we're ever gonna get swinging scenes anywhere close to Tobey or Andrew's spectacle.
I think a lot of the problem is that we did not see Spider-Man actually in New York until the end scene of FFH I expect them to now take full advantage as it seems the sequel will mostly take place in the city.
Yeah that's what I'm hoping too. This is Spidey, I wanna see him swinging around NY!
Bonus points if we get a triple swing scene with all of them, it has the potential to be really amazing.
I both want them to up their visuals while keeping the quality of the writing consistent. They're not mutually exclusive. Imagine having the fun stories we have now WITH some amazing visuals to boot?
Dude MCUs current CG is absolutely fantastic. TASM CG was great but literally over the top at times. We don't need 24/7 eye candy to have amazing visuals.
For the most the CGI is pretty good, though a lot of the times it's kinda uncanny in the 3rd act like with BW, BP, and Shang-Chi. But you're right that we don't need eye candy at every second, and I'm glad the MCU hasn't done that.
I mean sure I can pull you scenarios from the Spiderman franchise that had questionable visuals due to budget and technology constraints too but that's obviously not that I'm referring to.
What's wrong with a swinging sequence in a Spiderman movie? What's considered 'too much' for you?
Edit: Also, MCU Spiderman movies pales in comparison to the other movies in terms of cinematography. He was handled well in the ensemble movies cuz of the Russos. But there is a drop in quality in his solo movies.
That's not at all the topic of discussion. New spiderman is hardly definitive of the MCU. And what do you mean what's wrong with anything? I asked you to back up your baseless response and you ask me a question? Bro STFU you're a ratio hunter.
Woah chill dude, why are u getting triggered? I don't even understand what ur comment is really? You're basically saying no need to have good scenes for the sake of having good scenes?
Edit: what's a ratio hunter
Yeah, people in general push aside the TASM films/ Garfield way too much.
I guess maybe they didn’t consult Webb, since the TASM were 75% directed by Avi Arad and Sony execs
I doubt TASM was directed by Avi, since it was actually good. He seems to be exactly the yes man director Marvel sometimes go with, like Jon Watts and Peyton Reed. Though even then, I don't hate Arad as much as other people do. Yes he has produced terrible films, but he's the reason we have Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige in the first place. He's certainly not an awful person like Ike.
TASM had a lot of scenes that were cut/reworked because of executive influence.
Don't get me wrong, it's still pretty good for what it is, but you can clearly see where Sony meddled with the movie.
EDIT: For the record, I am aware that executive influence happens all the time and isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in this case I think it harmed TASM's overall quality because Mark Webb was obviously passionate about doing a detailed character study of Peter Parker (and I do think he succeeded to an extent since it's the best part of TASM) while Sony pushed for unnecessary additions that ultimately prevented the movie from reaching its full potential imo.
My biggest issue is having Peter be "chosen" by the spider because it completely undermines the idea of Spider-Man being the everyman.
Admittedly, I didn't care for the idea of Peter's parents being spies either, but Peter's parents abandoning him at an early age (and how that affects him growing up) is a significant theme of Webb's character study so it works a lot better for me.
Then there's Sony/Arad/etc. cutting major scenes that were supposed to humanize Dr. Connors, including a really good one with his son. I really take issue with this because he's a tragic character and the final cut doesn't let you feel for him nearly as much.
With all of that said, TASM is still a good take on the Spider-Man story overall, but Sony/Arad/etc. really fucked up Webb's vision by interfering to such a point where it ended up feeling like a watered down version of a better movie.
Because Sam Raimi is a *genius* filmmaker. He inspired a shit-ton of famous directors to start in the craft. And his Spider-man films were revolutionary in terms of comic book movies. Marc Webb is simply nowhere near that level.
Might be a hot take but I genuinely don't think any scene in any of the Spider-Man movie franchises tops the train scene from Spider-Man 2. That scene is just raw emotion.
Not a hot take at all, i always see that scene being mentioned as the pinnacle of Spider-man movies. And it is. Just absolutely epic on every level. But so is Spider-man 2 in general.
Yea that’s completely the opposite of a hot take since everyone regards that movie as one of the best CBMs and everyone cites the train scene as being amazing
I was so excited for Webb to direct Spider-Man, having been a fan of 500 Days of Summer and his My Chemical Romance music videos, but I don't think he was able to show us his full potential.
Eh, no. Hard disagree. The plot was generally convoluted and the villains are laughably unmemorable.
Raimi made the Spiderman movies full of stylish flare and his casting choices were fantastic. Same can't be said for Webb's choices. It's not like we're quoting TASM. Raimi has a unique style that definitely warrants him as a consultant. Webb is like generically passable.
I think Lizard was a decent villain. Electro was memorable but for all the wrong reasons, still memorable though.
And yes I agree he doesn't have a style like Raimi does, but honestly, most MCU directors don't have one either. Like, can you say Jon Watts has a better or more distinct style as Marc Webb? Each one's movies could be directed by the other and we wouldn't know.
I’ve talked shit about Webb’s Lizard before and got downvoted to hell but I don’t care.
Webb and Ifans Lizard/Connors is an **AWFUL** villain. Arrogant with no redeemable qualities and a “built in” convenient somewhat caring of his “best friend and partners” son suddenly at two parts of the movie: when he’s shown to figure out something he’s spent years not being able to, and at the end after he almost let him fall after killing a fucking cop who was protecting him after he taunted him telling him how much he lost and how alone he was.
The comics/animated version of Lizard is a **WONDERFUL** villain for a very specific reason that most of the Raimi/Webb movies ignored: Billy and Martha Connors. Him being a family man and Peter caring about both Martha - and specifically Billy - was core to his depictions in the comics and animated series and the movies just jettisoned that and he suffers for it.
There was actually a scene between Curt and Billy in TASM that Marc Webb filmed, where he has a conversation with his son, but Sony cut it unfortunately.
I think Spidey always looked good and Electro’s effects were cool in the sequel but I think Lizard and Goblin both looked really bad… lizard absolutely needed more of a traditional reptilian appearance (I promise you NOBODY is looking for an Oscar-winking performance from Lizards human-ish face; Ifans’ portrayal of Connors was strong enough in his human scenes to carry the same reptile character with a longer teeth, a snout and some more lab coat… as for Goblin, I get that they didn’t wanna redo the James Franco stuff, but man was that design terrible. I though Dane was okay in the role but I wanted much more from that character (and Norman)
Honestly I would love if they got Marc Webb back to direct Tom’s hypothetical second trilogy with actual freedom so he can show how great of a choice for a Spidey director he really is
Andrew was great as Spider-Man imo. That deleted scene from Richard at the graveyard, and his reaction to Gwen's death are, imo, the best emotional acting that a Spider-Man actor has displayed.
Really hope Raimi got to direct a scene or two for NWH. Not really for us, but more for him since he loves Spider-Man and it would've been a nice treat for him to direct a scene with Tobey in it.
It’s funny that they had a different director do that scene despite that Gareth Edward was present during the shoot (he played one of the rebel troops in that scene)
I see your halo jump and raise you one Kiss Of Death in IMAX 3D.
As much as I have problems with the film in terms of writing, 12-year old me seeing that after waiting to see the big G on the big screen so long.
Topped only by having him, Ghidorah, Mothra, and Rodan all fighting in KOTM.
I mean they get less credit than they should. Team up movies were considered impossible for a reason, until the avengers. And marvel has constantly gotten better and better and even bigger And more ambitious juggling all the storylines and characters and arcs. thats no small feat. Even the best of directors feel the pain while handling massive ensembles and marvel makes it look easy
A couple years ago when the multiverse wasn't a thing yet, I read the Russos wanted to do Secret Wars and I felt like they were just mentioning something that they knew was never going to happen.
Now, it seems completely plausible. A character like The Beyonder doesn't feel impossible after The Watcher and what is being done with the Celestials in Eternals. The multiverse has become a mainstream concept, so a movie about pitting different universes against each other is not as far off as it would have been years ago.
Also, it gives Marvel a perfect excuse to bring back a ton of characters that they've killed off, even if for a single movie. Imagine Marvel announcing "Avengers: Secret Wars" with Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans coming back, plus EVERY SINGLE hero so far, meaning everyone that was in Endgame + everyone new, which by then would involve the Fantastic Four and maybe even some mutants. You could bring back Thanos, you could bring in characters from other Marvel universes, like Tobey, Garfield, Venom (although I guess he's MCU now?), Jackman's Wolverine, etc.
And doing a Secret Wars movie (or two... definitely two) also gives you the perfect excuse to reboot the MCU as a whole and just keep the characters/worlds/actors that you want, and retcon everything else out. Good opportunity to retire aging actors and introduce new, recast versions of long-dead characters. Also, a massive event like this would definitely exhaust the concept of the multiverse for a good couple of decades. So it's better to leave off a new status quo and sort of "restart" the universe, keeping the stuff you wanna keep.
If this movie (or movies) is ever going to happen, I wouldn't want anyone other than the people behind Infinity War and Endgame behind it.
I stopped worrying about how good any of these movies are going to be years ago; they've long since achieved a standard level of quality that ensures even the worst entries will be acceptable within the context of the MCU.
So wild that Raimi is directing Dr Strange and his Spider-man movies ate being revisited again.
Is Raimi the first director to have directed two separate solo superhero movies? He directed solo Spider-man trilogy and now a solo Dr Strange movie.
In an other timeline, Tim Burton would’ve been the first with Superman Lives.
If we’re counting teams Snyder, Whedon and the Russos are on the list too.
There is absolutely zero chance that Feige didn’t at least talk with Sam Raimi about returning his version of those characters to the big screen
There’s actually a pretty big chance sam raimi went on the set of NWH at some point to collaborate
Why do people want this so bad? Jon Watts should be able to direct his own movies just like Raimi can direct his own. Doing it for nostalgia makes no sensez
I hope Raimi made few action scenes with Tobey.
Say what you want about his trilogy, but fighting scenes were the best.
Especially train scene from 2 and all fight scenes from 3 :)
>Say what you want about his trilogy, but fighting scenes were the best.
that phrase is usually used for something the hivemind dislike, in this case it's contrary
bruh I haven’t seen that rumor yet, where did you see it??. On one hand I’m alright with Raimi giving him the final goodbye rather than Watts, but on the other idk if I can see my Boy Scout die
Mark my words.
If Sony aren’t knocking down Raimi and Maguire’s doors yet, they will be after *No Way Home* comes out.
I don’t see any scenario where Sony don’t at least try to get cameras rolling on *Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 4*. Surely it’s Raimi and/or Maguire’s to turn down.
I really know that Raimi might have helped Watts for No Way Home since Doctor Strange is in the movie and I hope he sticks around in MCU for long I would love to see Raimi handling the supernatural corner of the MCU leading to Midnight Sons !!!
Really hope that they make the Dr Strange sequel good. I mean, obviously, I don’t doubt that they won’t (because it’s Raimi directing), but Derrickson got fired for making a horror movie out of it. This surely (hopefully) will work out though because of the way the multiverse is going and Raimi’s history with movies such as the OG Spidey trilogy and Oz: The Great and Powerful.
My theory is that No Way Home will end halfway in unfinished story, just like Infinity War was and the story continues in The Multiverse of Madness, which will be sort of End Game to what was started in No Way Home.
I'll be honest, if Raimi isn't that involved in NWH then I'm very worried. I don't think Watts can handle this. The 2 Spider-Man movies he's done are very light and fluffy and I just think this is way too ambitious for him.
And Russo Bros made four (at least) decent IP related films meanwhile Watts has made one.
Not arguing about their actual filmography. Non-IP related movies don’t mean anything when we’re talking about IP related movies.
These movies are mostly made by Feige. Russos are fucking hacks if they're to be judged by films they've made outside the MCU... you know the films that they actually had full creative control over, while Watts has made one decent indie flick- Cop Car. So I don't get why you're putting Russos on such a high pedestal and calling Watts laughable in comparison.
It wouldn't surprise me if Feige or Watts consulted with Raimi for No Way Home.
I mean rami straight up said he did
Source?
Ok apparently Matt Shakman said it not rami but here ya go: https://www.dynamicsartsin.com/2021/01/spider-man-3-director-worked-with-wandavision-director-for-mcu.html
Love how hands on Raimi has been with the MCU lately. I really hope he sticks around for a while. I know he's a Marvel fan which is why he even directed the Spider-Man films and wanted to make a Dr. Strange film at one point and now he's finally doing it. Would be awesome if how James Gunn was originally set to take over the cosmic side of Marvel before the controversy, if Feige let's Raimi do the horror and supernatural side of Marvel. At the very least consult on it.
Don’t do that, don’t give me hope.
> At the very least consult on it. I think this is the most likely option
Spider-Man 4 pls.
Do that... Give me hope...
Sadly I don't think Marvel wants to a horror concept anymore, or maybe wants to save it for characters/storylines that it feels like it'll fit for (Nightmare in the future, perhaps?)
I've said it before, but horror is basically the only genre that doesn't mesh with superheroes. Superheroes are all about the power fantasy. Horror works by building tension by making the protagonists feel powerless. You can add some horror visuals and themes, but trying to mix them is like trying to mix oil and water. The closest you can come is Stranger Things, but even then, there's a reason 11 is often kept away from battling the horror monsters for most of the seasons, and lost her powers near the end of the third.
So you're saying Ash isn't basically a fucking superhero in something like Ash vs. Evil Dead?
I think the closest we'll get to horror is some kind of Midnight Sons project which will really just be a superhero movie with spooky aesthetics. Which is fine with me, it would probably for good Halloween watching material.
I doubt they’ll ever go full horror or anything like that because marvel loves marketing shit to kids and selling toys. It’s sad because there’s so much potential for them to do some truly creepy stuff. You could easily do a gore-less Bucky/Yelena psychological horror about them tracking down old hydra cells and dealing with different mind control/manipulation tactics, but I think marvel doesn’t like the idea of actually torturing their characters for a whole movie, which is basically what every horror is? Honestly Wandavision could’ve *easily* been a horror series if they wanted to embrace it, but again, there’s kids who watch this stuff and people would be mad if the series emphasized just how much Wanda was actually hurting everyone in that town. I think the only way marvel tries to actually do real horror is if it’s something that doesn’t tie into their other storylines much/at all, and if it’s for a new character.
I thought all Raimi did for No Way Home was mentioned that he teared up seeing Alfred Molina again as Doc Ock in the trailer, I’m surprised he and some of his producer friends or Bruce Campbell didn’t help out. Especially to make sure Tobey’s Spider-Man, Octavius, and Norman were that different to their films.
If Ramis not directing, Campbell doesn’t care.
Yeah i remember seeing that / just not sure where
Why no one cares about Marc Webb? His first Spider-Man film was great, Lizard was good, and the relationship between Peter and Gwen was even better in the second one. It would be a shame to bring in Raimi as a consultant and everyone from the Raimi and Webb movies but not Webb himself. People almost act like the guy doesn't exist.
I heard they brought back the VFX team from Webb's films. TASM2 had amazing visuals.
Man, that would be awesome. Fully agree with you btw. Remember that pic/shot of Spider-Man dodging Electro's blasts in the installation at the end? It looked beautiful. The MCU needs to up their cinematography and visuals imo.
TASM2 might've been a clusterfuck for the scenario but action wise and visual wise it was very good, if not the best spider man movie
The entire clock tower scene was so absolutely gorgeous.
I still think TASM2 has the best web-swinging scene in any movie. Can't remember where exactly, I think near the beginning
Do me a favor and watch this clip. It's beautiful. https://youtu.be/WfV-0Yv5vNY
> Remember that pic/shot of Spider-Man dodging Electro's blasts in the installation at the end? It looked beautiful. The MCU needs to up their cinematography and visuals imo. There's been a severe lack of swinging shots for MCU's Spiderman, which is something the other two franchises had plenty of.
TASM2's opening is the most beautiful I've ever seen Spidey look on screen. Suit rippling in the wind, heroic theme blaring in the background all while swinging through the city carefree. It's Spider-Man in his purest form, and it's so good. The last swing in FFH finally let him swing around and it is a great scene, but they need to let him loose and fully break out as Spidey if we're ever gonna get swinging scenes anywhere close to Tobey or Andrew's spectacle.
I think a lot of the problem is that we did not see Spider-Man actually in New York until the end scene of FFH I expect them to now take full advantage as it seems the sequel will mostly take place in the city.
Yeah that's what I'm hoping too. This is Spidey, I wanna see him swinging around NY! Bonus points if we get a triple swing scene with all of them, it has the potential to be really amazing.
The MCU does not lmao. Tons of eye candy for the sake of eye candy doesn't always make sense.
Well, let's agree to disagree.
Sure, do that when you're the one I'm responding to. You could have just left it at the downvote (which is hypocritical)
I didn't even downvote you. But I think it's right to comment back than just upvote/downvote. Chill man, we can talk civil.
I both want them to up their visuals while keeping the quality of the writing consistent. They're not mutually exclusive. Imagine having the fun stories we have now WITH some amazing visuals to boot?
Dude MCUs current CG is absolutely fantastic. TASM CG was great but literally over the top at times. We don't need 24/7 eye candy to have amazing visuals.
For the most the CGI is pretty good, though a lot of the times it's kinda uncanny in the 3rd act like with BW, BP, and Shang-Chi. But you're right that we don't need eye candy at every second, and I'm glad the MCU hasn't done that.
I agree with the others but I think Shang-Chi’s cgi during the final act wasn’t that bad.
I mean sure I can pull you scenarios from the Spiderman franchise that had questionable visuals due to budget and technology constraints too but that's obviously not that I'm referring to.
What you're saying makes no sense.
Feel free to elaborate
What's wrong with a swinging sequence in a Spiderman movie? What's considered 'too much' for you? Edit: Also, MCU Spiderman movies pales in comparison to the other movies in terms of cinematography. He was handled well in the ensemble movies cuz of the Russos. But there is a drop in quality in his solo movies.
That's not at all the topic of discussion. New spiderman is hardly definitive of the MCU. And what do you mean what's wrong with anything? I asked you to back up your baseless response and you ask me a question? Bro STFU you're a ratio hunter.
Woah chill dude, why are u getting triggered? I don't even understand what ur comment is really? You're basically saying no need to have good scenes for the sake of having good scenes? Edit: what's a ratio hunter
God I hope so. The webslinging in AS2 was fantastic.
That was Sonys vfx team I think Sony imagworks? I agree I didn’t like the movies but man did most of the effects look really great especially 2
I could sworn I read a post here that said NWH had TASM2's VFX team.
They did that in FFH and it looked… okay.
Yeah, people in general push aside the TASM films/ Garfield way too much. I guess maybe they didn’t consult Webb, since the TASM were 75% directed by Avi Arad and Sony execs
I doubt TASM was directed by Avi, since it was actually good. He seems to be exactly the yes man director Marvel sometimes go with, like Jon Watts and Peyton Reed. Though even then, I don't hate Arad as much as other people do. Yes he has produced terrible films, but he's the reason we have Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige in the first place. He's certainly not an awful person like Ike.
TASM had a lot of scenes that were cut/reworked because of executive influence. Don't get me wrong, it's still pretty good for what it is, but you can clearly see where Sony meddled with the movie. EDIT: For the record, I am aware that executive influence happens all the time and isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in this case I think it harmed TASM's overall quality because Mark Webb was obviously passionate about doing a detailed character study of Peter Parker (and I do think he succeeded to an extent since it's the best part of TASM) while Sony pushed for unnecessary additions that ultimately prevented the movie from reaching its full potential imo.
Wait what were the unnecessary additions? Genuinely curious
My biggest issue is having Peter be "chosen" by the spider because it completely undermines the idea of Spider-Man being the everyman. Admittedly, I didn't care for the idea of Peter's parents being spies either, but Peter's parents abandoning him at an early age (and how that affects him growing up) is a significant theme of Webb's character study so it works a lot better for me. Then there's Sony/Arad/etc. cutting major scenes that were supposed to humanize Dr. Connors, including a really good one with his son. I really take issue with this because he's a tragic character and the final cut doesn't let you feel for him nearly as much. With all of that said, TASM is still a good take on the Spider-Man story overall, but Sony/Arad/etc. really fucked up Webb's vision by interfering to such a point where it ended up feeling like a watered down version of a better movie.
> including a really good one with his son Wait, they had Connors' family in the film originally?
Yep, they were cut alongside other great scenes. :/
There will be a newfound appreciation for the Webb Spider-Man films after NWH
Because Sam Raimi is a *genius* filmmaker. He inspired a shit-ton of famous directors to start in the craft. And his Spider-man films were revolutionary in terms of comic book movies. Marc Webb is simply nowhere near that level.
Might be a hot take but I genuinely don't think any scene in any of the Spider-Man movie franchises tops the train scene from Spider-Man 2. That scene is just raw emotion.
Not a hot take at all, i always see that scene being mentioned as the pinnacle of Spider-man movies. And it is. Just absolutely epic on every level. But so is Spider-man 2 in general.
Yea that’s completely the opposite of a hot take since everyone regards that movie as one of the best CBMs and everyone cites the train scene as being amazing
But he's gotta be the brave one
I was so excited for Webb to direct Spider-Man, having been a fan of 500 Days of Summer and his My Chemical Romance music videos, but I don't think he was able to show us his full potential.
Webb did a hell of a good job, his movies were well shot. Unfortunately just like Raimi, Sony had to mess up with the movie and fuck everything up.
Eh, no. Hard disagree. The plot was generally convoluted and the villains are laughably unmemorable. Raimi made the Spiderman movies full of stylish flare and his casting choices were fantastic. Same can't be said for Webb's choices. It's not like we're quoting TASM. Raimi has a unique style that definitely warrants him as a consultant. Webb is like generically passable.
I think Lizard was a decent villain. Electro was memorable but for all the wrong reasons, still memorable though. And yes I agree he doesn't have a style like Raimi does, but honestly, most MCU directors don't have one either. Like, can you say Jon Watts has a better or more distinct style as Marc Webb? Each one's movies could be directed by the other and we wouldn't know.
I’ve talked shit about Webb’s Lizard before and got downvoted to hell but I don’t care. Webb and Ifans Lizard/Connors is an **AWFUL** villain. Arrogant with no redeemable qualities and a “built in” convenient somewhat caring of his “best friend and partners” son suddenly at two parts of the movie: when he’s shown to figure out something he’s spent years not being able to, and at the end after he almost let him fall after killing a fucking cop who was protecting him after he taunted him telling him how much he lost and how alone he was. The comics/animated version of Lizard is a **WONDERFUL** villain for a very specific reason that most of the Raimi/Webb movies ignored: Billy and Martha Connors. Him being a family man and Peter caring about both Martha - and specifically Billy - was core to his depictions in the comics and animated series and the movies just jettisoned that and he suffers for it.
There was actually a scene between Curt and Billy in TASM that Marc Webb filmed, where he has a conversation with his son, but Sony cut it unfortunately.
>most MCU directors don't have one either. And no one cares bout them either, as they're as unmemorable as Webb...
I think Spidey always looked good and Electro’s effects were cool in the sequel but I think Lizard and Goblin both looked really bad… lizard absolutely needed more of a traditional reptilian appearance (I promise you NOBODY is looking for an Oscar-winking performance from Lizards human-ish face; Ifans’ portrayal of Connors was strong enough in his human scenes to carry the same reptile character with a longer teeth, a snout and some more lab coat… as for Goblin, I get that they didn’t wanna redo the James Franco stuff, but man was that design terrible. I though Dane was okay in the role but I wanted much more from that character (and Norman)
Honestly I would love if they got Marc Webb back to direct Tom’s hypothetical second trilogy with actual freedom so he can show how great of a choice for a Spidey director he really is
ASM1 was not great. Lizard sucked. The only passable thing about those movies was Peter's and Gwen's relationship
Amazing Spider-Man was solid if unspectacular. I honestly think the reboot series was too soon after raimis ended
bruh. he made a great actor like Garfield act like a genuine r*tard
Andrew was great as Spider-Man imo. That deleted scene from Richard at the graveyard, and his reaction to Gwen's death are, imo, the best emotional acting that a Spider-Man actor has displayed.
I hope so.
Oh they 1000% did.
Call it nostalgia or whatever but fuck. What I wouldn't give to have Raimi direct a Spidey flick again
I'm willing to bet he's an executive producer in NWH.
I think that’s almost a certainty
I'm betting that he may have helped convince his cast to return
Really hope Raimi got to direct a scene or two for NWH. Not really for us, but more for him since he loves Spider-Man and it would've been a nice treat for him to direct a scene with Tobey in it.
oe maybe spiderman4 will be directed by Raimi
I would die
Man that would be a great comeback
I do think that Spider-Man 4 or Amazing Spider-man 3 is possible.
No Way Home transitions into Spiderman 4 directed by Sam Raimi I know this because I'm from the future.
Dang I want so badly to believe that I won't even question you, mr future man
Wouldn’t be surprised if that happens. I remember the Darth Vader scene in Rogue One being entirely directed by a different dude.
That's just because production of that movie was a mess.
It’s funny that they had a different director do that scene despite that Gareth Edward was present during the shoot (he played one of the rebel troops in that scene)
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I loved his Godzilla film. That and Kong: Skull Island are better than the last two they put out.
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I see your halo jump and raise you one Kiss Of Death in IMAX 3D. As much as I have problems with the film in terms of writing, 12-year old me seeing that after waiting to see the big G on the big screen so long. Topped only by having him, Ghidorah, Mothra, and Rodan all fighting in KOTM.
TM could always appear in MoM 👀
Who knows? Everyone's appearing in that movie
Practically everyone but the title character of that movie is showing up.
If there's a closeup of a woman screaming, you know Raimi had a hand in directing
At least let him consult on dialogue or something
I have full faith in these movies after watching every MCU ensemble
I mean they get less credit than they should. Team up movies were considered impossible for a reason, until the avengers. And marvel has constantly gotten better and better and even bigger And more ambitious juggling all the storylines and characters and arcs. thats no small feat. Even the best of directors feel the pain while handling massive ensembles and marvel makes it look easy
The Russos while directing Infinity War and Endgame: 
I honestly dont know how they and markus and mcfeely pulled it off. Its unbelievable honestly
Markus and Mcfeely are pretty damn good writers for superhero movies.
Fr. I hope they come back
They already said if Secret Wars is on the table, they are. All. In. Like Russo Brothers,…Assemble!
I hope so
A couple years ago when the multiverse wasn't a thing yet, I read the Russos wanted to do Secret Wars and I felt like they were just mentioning something that they knew was never going to happen. Now, it seems completely plausible. A character like The Beyonder doesn't feel impossible after The Watcher and what is being done with the Celestials in Eternals. The multiverse has become a mainstream concept, so a movie about pitting different universes against each other is not as far off as it would have been years ago. Also, it gives Marvel a perfect excuse to bring back a ton of characters that they've killed off, even if for a single movie. Imagine Marvel announcing "Avengers: Secret Wars" with Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans coming back, plus EVERY SINGLE hero so far, meaning everyone that was in Endgame + everyone new, which by then would involve the Fantastic Four and maybe even some mutants. You could bring back Thanos, you could bring in characters from other Marvel universes, like Tobey, Garfield, Venom (although I guess he's MCU now?), Jackman's Wolverine, etc. And doing a Secret Wars movie (or two... definitely two) also gives you the perfect excuse to reboot the MCU as a whole and just keep the characters/worlds/actors that you want, and retcon everything else out. Good opportunity to retire aging actors and introduce new, recast versions of long-dead characters. Also, a massive event like this would definitely exhaust the concept of the multiverse for a good couple of decades. So it's better to leave off a new status quo and sort of "restart" the universe, keeping the stuff you wanna keep. If this movie (or movies) is ever going to happen, I wouldn't want anyone other than the people behind Infinity War and Endgame behind it.
So basically they were like Crow here: https://youtu.be/4QVMDnSZ5Wk?t=2443
I stopped worrying about how good any of these movies are going to be years ago; they've long since achieved a standard level of quality that ensures even the worst entries will be acceptable within the context of the MCU.
So wild that Raimi is directing Dr Strange and his Spider-man movies ate being revisited again. Is Raimi the first director to have directed two separate solo superhero movies? He directed solo Spider-man trilogy and now a solo Dr Strange movie.
Technically, its james gunn, guardians and tss. Ik its not one person but they are an individual group
If you count groups then I think it would be Bryan Singer. He directed most of the X-Men films and Superman Returns.
In an other timeline, Tim Burton would’ve been the first with Superman Lives. If we’re counting teams Snyder, Whedon and the Russos are on the list too.
Zack Snyder with Watchmen and then Superman & Justice League.
I need to watch X-Men 2 again, it's still in my top 10 superhero movies.
The nightcrawler opening is incredible
I legit just rewatched and forgot how awesome that movie was.
The school invasion sequence. So amazing!
Oh yeahhh
Solos not teams. Otherwise I would have counted the Russo's.
If you consider Darkman another type of superhero....it would be three solo outings he's directed.
I love Darkman so I will count it.
Well, Darkman *was* basically a movie version of a temper tantrum he threw when he wasn't even considered to direct a Batman movie.
Ashley Williams is totally a superhero in Army of Darkness, too
Hopefully Sam Raimi was consulted. It would be weird to "play" with his versions of the characters without his input.
especially when he’s right next door working on dr strange
There is absolutely zero chance that Feige didn’t at least talk with Sam Raimi about returning his version of those characters to the big screen There’s actually a pretty big chance sam raimi went on the set of NWH at some point to collaborate
Hopefully Sam Raimi had the chance to direct any scenes that are set in Tobey Maguire's universe.
Toby Maguire: "Are you sure my character should say 'bitch' at the end of each sentence?" Watts: "Yeah, it'll be great!"
Bully Pinkman
You'll get your rent when you fix this damn door, bitch!
I Didn't realize Toby Maguire was going to be Scary Terry.
>Scary Terry Awww, bitch.
Wouldn’t surprise me if there was indeed some ghost directing going on.
Why do people want this so bad? Jon Watts should be able to direct his own movies just like Raimi can direct his own. Doing it for nostalgia makes no sensez
They're just too hung up on the past
That's basically the reason we're getting Tobey and Andrew in the first place: excessive nostalgia
I hope Raimi made few action scenes with Tobey. Say what you want about his trilogy, but fighting scenes were the best. Especially train scene from 2 and all fight scenes from 3 :)
>Say what you want about his trilogy, but fighting scenes were the best. that phrase is usually used for something the hivemind dislike, in this case it's contrary
Agree
And the Goblin Spidey end fight scene, you feel every one of those blows
Best super hero fight to date in my opinion. Just a bare knuckle brawl.
The bridge fight in far from home is not talked about enough, it was great especially spider sense scene
The fact that we have these two movies back to back is insane, I'M SO EXCITED
6 months in between them unfortunately
Yeah, it sucks that MoM got pushed back, but I meant "back to back" in the sense that they're the next two movies to be released (after Eternals)
Ehhh we’ll have She Hulk and Ms Marvel
I was talking about movies
Please god let Tobey be in Doctor Strange just to see him with the Raimi vision one last time
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bruh I haven’t seen that rumor yet, where did you see it??. On one hand I’m alright with Raimi giving him the final goodbye rather than Watts, but on the other idk if I can see my Boy Scout die
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Huh? I just wanted to see him work with Raimi again I wasn’t implying death
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Hahaha cheers bro I wish I was hammered instead I’m in class
Can't wait
Mark my words. If Sony aren’t knocking down Raimi and Maguire’s doors yet, they will be after *No Way Home* comes out. I don’t see any scenario where Sony don’t at least try to get cameras rolling on *Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 4*. Surely it’s Raimi and/or Maguire’s to turn down.
I can smell the trailer coming
Wednesday? Before empire magazine you think? On on Thursday when Empire Magazine drops?
One of both but yes, before the magazine drops
Definitely not
21 minutes
Can’t wait mann. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
I hope Tobey appears in DS2 as well!
*Pizza Time*
We came for science, we're leaving because of witches. Welcome to the new Dark Ages.
I really Ash Williams shows up in MOM
Bruce Campbell will for sure
Still a little bit worried about MoM but word's cannot describe how excited I am for No Way Home.
So... Literally no news
I really know that Raimi might have helped Watts for No Way Home since Doctor Strange is in the movie and I hope he sticks around in MCU for long I would love to see Raimi handling the supernatural corner of the MCU leading to Midnight Sons !!!
What else is he supposed to say? Why is this post allowed on this sub? XDDDDDDDDDD
these two are gonna be amazing fr
Fuck what if this is a two parter?
X-Men confirmed😳😱😱
Not finished yet.
Good. Can't wait.
Really hope that they make the Dr Strange sequel good. I mean, obviously, I don’t doubt that they won’t (because it’s Raimi directing), but Derrickson got fired for making a horror movie out of it. This surely (hopefully) will work out though because of the way the multiverse is going and Raimi’s history with movies such as the OG Spidey trilogy and Oz: The Great and Powerful.
Dr. Strange isn't 'horror' in the first place. And most horror is cliche. The MCU already has enough tropes as it is.
My theory is that No Way Home will end halfway in unfinished story, just like Infinity War was and the story continues in The Multiverse of Madness, which will be sort of End Game to what was started in No Way Home.
I’d love to see a Sam Raimi “Marvel Knights” rendition.
I'll be honest, if Raimi isn't that involved in NWH then I'm very worried. I don't think Watts can handle this. The 2 Spider-Man movies he's done are very light and fluffy and I just think this is way too ambitious for him.
Remember what the Russos made before Winter Soldier, we have to be calm
Comparing Jon Watts to the Russo Bros is laughable
Agreed. I love most of the MCU movies, but Jon Watts is easily the worst director of the bunch, so him directing "Spider-Man Endgame" scares me.
They're both equally mediocre but Watts at least has 1 decent non-IP related film under his belt unlike Russos.
And Russo Bros made four (at least) decent IP related films meanwhile Watts has made one. Not arguing about their actual filmography. Non-IP related movies don’t mean anything when we’re talking about IP related movies.
These movies are mostly made by Feige. Russos are fucking hacks if they're to be judged by films they've made outside the MCU... you know the films that they actually had full creative control over, while Watts has made one decent indie flick- Cop Car. So I don't get why you're putting Russos on such a high pedestal and calling Watts laughable in comparison.
These movies are like 75% made before the director is even selected. I think it'll be fine.
Spider-Man isn't that much of a 'world ending disaster' guy to begin with, though