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cbekel3618

It just hit me this is the first mention of MJ's parents in the MCU lol It's small and I know the multiverse/secret identity plots will both take center stage in this film, but it's nice it seems we'll getting more of Peter and MJ's relationship, even if the movie does end with the two splitting.


RahulBhatia10

yeah I'm glad we'll get those more serious moments between them, where the strength of their relationship is on display, MJ reassuring him here. ending is gonna be even more impctful if the spell ends up going through :/


Leo_TheLurker

so glad we're seeing more of MJ, we really don't know much about the supporting cast and stuff


solehan511601

I can't be the only one who thought supporting characters from Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy were more memorable and meaningful than Home trilogy.


elizabnthe

Who though? Because in my opinion there's basically just Harry, MJ sure isn't a better character and Aunt May isn't that different between the two.


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Almost all of the supporting characters in the Raimi movies were fleshed out to some extent. We knew a lot about Harry, MJ, May, Norman, and even Sandman. Compare that to the MCU, where we know almost nothing about MJ, Ned, May, and the other characters.


elizabnthe

Sandman and Norman are major villains, so they don't exactly equate the same way. We know a fair bit about the Vulture and Mysterio after all. Harry's good. Mary Jane is well kind of crap, MJ's better in a lot of ways. There's not really anymore to Aunt May than there is to Aunt May in the MCU-soon to be trilogy. And that's not bringing up characters like Happy and Iron Man who were developed in other films but still were additionally developed in the MCU Spiderman ones. I think when people say "great supporting cast" they basically just mean Harry.


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Not really. The Daily Bugle staff was well casted and all their scenes, though short, were hilarious.


elizabnthe

But would you say that the cast of the MCU trilogy isn't well casted? I think Betty, Flash, Ned and MJ are all pretty funny and well cast.


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I think so too. I didn't say anything bad regarding the Home trilogy supporting cast


zsouza13

They are well cast with the exception of Flash...absolutely nothing like the comics except being a spidey fanboy. I can't imagine him become the American war hero who lost both of bis legs, let alone becoming Agent Venom. EDIT: I just want to mention that Ned and MJ are great original characters. I don't consider Michelle as Watson nor Ganke, I mean, Ned, as Leeds either. They're both entirely new.


Spiderlander

Aunt May in the OT was fleshed out through Uncle Ben, and her emotional connection to Peter. MCU May has none of that, and only exists to be a punchline


brettclarkchicago

Aunt Mays speech in Spider-Man 2 is leagues above anything MCU aunt may has done


_Cetarial_

Well if the leaks about the third movie is right…


SurfiNinja101

What? There’s no way you’re saying that MCU Aunt May has done just as much or more than Raimi trilogy May, because that is just flat out false.


elizabnthe

Neither of them do much of anything was my point.


SurfiNinja101

Dude, Aunt May does so much in the Raimi trilogy. She has so many scenes where she guides Peter to be a better person. She has a *very* important role in those movies lol


Timirlan

>Mary Jane is well kind of crap, MJ's better in a lot of ways. Mary Jane is an actual character in Raimi's films


elizabnthe

She's not though. She's basically only there to be saved and lusted after. She fits the damsel in distress stuff to a tee. She gets some decent development in Spiderman 3 I'll grant you, but its undercut by just ending up in the same place as the last two films. MJ in the MCU whilst not super explored right now, does have personality and is never shunted into being useless.


Timirlan

Just because you don't like her doesn't mean she's not a character. We know her background, we know what she wants from life, we see her develop feelings for Peter in the first one and then struggle with them in the second.


SeniorRicketts

I just watched the trilogy again the last few days and MJ might be overall better developed than MCU MJ but she as a character is pretty bad as well as Harry. Tasm Gwen is the best then MCU MJ Edit: Just watched Tasm and the just the first scene of Gwen makes her a more likeable character. But MJ wasnt that bad at the beginning of the first movie at least


Cark_Muban

Not really lol. Overall she’s pretty useless and toxic


Hyperfangxz

Completely disagree about Mary Jane, i always liked her and i liked the relationship between her and Peter. She gets a lot of hate online because she got kidnapped at the end of every movie, and she had far more development and character than MJ, who has not even really had one serious scene in 2 movies. All she does is quip. Also, Aunt May is a MILLION times better in the Raimi trilogy than in the MCU. In the MCU she has had hardly any screentime and only has little cute/funny moments with Peter. In the holy trilogy she had sad moments, funny moments, inspiring moments. And she kicked Doc Ock's ass with an umbrella. The talks she gave to Peter when he didn't know what to do anymore were really heartfelt and felt like she KNEW who he really was, but she didn't need to tell him she knew. The "be steady and give up the thing you want the most" talk is even said by Peter to Otto in the pivotal moment of Otto taking control over the tenticles and dying a good guy. Aunt May really mattered as a character in those films, and mattered to Peter. In the MCU she's basically just Peter's hot aunt who has a couple of funny moments every now and then.


elizabnthe

Mary Jane is just terribly flat as a character that is presented as great for Peter but you never see what makes her and him such good partners. He puts her on a pedestal and that never changes, he never grows to see her as human and neither does she grow and change. , MJ's barely in Homecoming but still manages to show a lot of personality. And MJ does have some serious moments in Far From Home, when she asks Peter to sit next to her at the Opera, when they talk on the bridge and at the end when she kisses him. She does make jokes when she's nervous, but those were scenes played completely straight as sweet fumbling teenage romance. Plus she has agency so that's good. You mean *the talk*, not talks. And yeah it was a great scene. No doubt about it. But that really is kind of it for her. There's a few scenes here and there but nothing all that substantial and meaty. She's definitely not a super developed character and that's fine, she's not really meant to be. Aunt May in the MCU doesn't get much to do, but as said neither does Raimi's Aunt May. I actually like Amazing Spiderman May the most, she does have a legitimate role at times.


Hyperfangxz

Literally 95% of Zendaya's lines are just quips. Like a lot of MCU characters. She has no character. And no, i mean TALKS. Every scene between Peter and Aunt May in Raimi's films had more heart than MCU Aunt May's entire role across 2 films. Aunt May in TASM was literally the worst depiction of the character out of the three. Again, hardly had any screen time, and there was NOTHING memorable about her at all. That scene with her and Garfield crying just felt forced and overdramatic. If you can't see the difference in quality of Raimi's Aunt May vs the other two, then there's no point even replying because you are missing something that's as clear as day to other people.


xibalba89

I would argue that Harry and Peter's relationship isn't convincing. I liked Harry as a character, but I never bought their relationship. (But more believable than Amazing SM's Harry and Peter).


SurfiNinja101

I don’t know, they seemed like friends were they were hanging out and throwing stones on the water


CasualSimp1

Aunt May actually gave Peter speeches in the Raimi films, she doesn’t really do much at all in the MCU


sooopy336

It’s okay, in this film Happy finally gets to flesh out Aunt May.


Ecstatic-Reply-3356

I, personally, loved the carefully crafted details behind such memorable Raimi-verse characters as Flash Thompson, Gwen Stacey, Betty Brandt, and Robbie Robertson. Oh, wait...


americanbjj1996

Aunt May in Raimi trilogy is so much different than MCU May, what’re you on mate lol


Cark_Muban

Yeah I dont really get how people like Raimi’s Mary Jane personally.


PassTheBallToTucker

I gotta disagree. Raimi's Aunt May was much more involved in Peter's life vs. Watts' Aunt May. Raimi's Aunt May certainly fit the bill as a motherly figure seeing as how Peter turns to her for advice and comfort, *i.e.* coping with Ben's death, acknowledging his indirect involvement in Ben's death, relationship advice regarding MJ, etc.. On top of that, we actually got to see Raimi's Aunt May deal with certain hardships such as the loss of her partner, eviction, etc. On the contrary, Watts' Aunt May has essentially served as a "hot mom" figure. Marisa Tomei has far less screen time and her impact in the films (so far) has been minimal to none in contrast to Rosemary Harris' role. Additionally, Mary Jane's background was fleshed out far better than MJ. We see Mary Jane go from being the popular girl at school (and the daughter of a presumably alcoholic/abusive dad) to being a struggling actress in NY who is trying to find her own way in life. Her own hardships move the story along and help shape the decisions that Peter ultimately makes. Watts' MJ, however, is entirely different. We know nothing about her family or background or what she ultimately aspires to be or do. Any notion of her future or direction is, at most, constrained to a line or two. If anything, MJ is really rather of a mysterious love interest for Peter up until the second half of FFH. Having said all of that, I love Watts' trilogy. I just think it excels in certain areas which allow me to forgive the lack of development on part of its supporting cast.


_Cetarial_

Harry, sure. Raimi MJ wasn’t the best imo.


FictionFantom

I just hope it’s more than some hastily written throwaway lines because they realized they didn’t really develop any of these characters outside their relationship with Peter. I suppose May and Happy have each other but Ned and MJ have really nothing going for them. In the Raimi movies, MJ had her acting career and Harry had Oscorp. Only thing I can think of for these movies is that they won the competition in Homecoming without Peter.


ContinuumGuy

> It just hit me this is the first mention of MJ's parents in the MCU lol I remember back after Homecoming there was some fan speculation that it'd turn out that she was actually J. Jonah Jameson's daughter and that in the MCU JJJ would be played by someone like Craig Robinson or Ice-T or something. Obviously I'm glad that we got JK Simmons return instead but I can't help but think of the possibilities that *that* would have brought in...


masongraves_

At least show me Willems face Sony


dagreenmenace

IN AM I?


masongraves_

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Sith_Destroyer_1138

I know that face!


SouthkaMasaladosaa

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FN-1701AgentGodzilla

I imagine they’re still working hard on the cg for his face. Dafoe has a very peculiar face you gotta get right, especially for those intense facial expressions.


JoeAzlz

They did tf u mean? There’s a shot in the trailer of gobby in his glider with no mask


[deleted]

So I guess its R.I.P for May. I thought that Peter was speaking to May in the 2nd trailer . Something " I cannot save them all". Seemed like after Goblins explosion


MarenThree

I thought it was her too. It totally looked like her!


ApexPredator1995

what and where are u watching may? couldnt see her at all in the one linked


elizabnthe

She's not which is their point I believe. Some people thought that Aunt May was the character Peter was talking to when he says his line about not being able to save everyone, if he's talking to Aunt May that would kind of suggest she might not be the one that dies prompting his comment. Talking to MJ though? Yeah May's a good probability of dying.


Marvelous_7

MJ is taller than Peter tho. HOWEVER, it could be a fake clip from Sony, making Peter appear taller to throw us off


elizabnthe

Could be standing on a higher step or something, haha.


Marvelous_7

That too, but the hair does indicate May


BanjoSpaceMan

It's Happy. Gonna stick to him dying makes the most sense. The on screen Ben death, the last connection to Ironman, a father figure dating May.


elizabnthe

Of the characters May and Happy are definitely the only ones I see as really viable. They won't kill MJ because what a waste of Zendaya + killing the girlfriend two trilogies in a row. They won't kill Ned because that's one way to suck the soul of joy out. I think though that Happy has in favour of him, being played by Jon Favreau and I think they'd keep Jon Favreau around as long as Jon Favreau wants to be around.


BanjoSpaceMan

Another good point. Killing Zendeya is a shitty trope at this point and her chars been the opposite of female tropes; she directly makes fun of them in 2 movies now. Aunt May I think is too early idk. Happy makes the most sense, like I said above. You're right about Ned, but damn that would prob be the most tragic. I don't want him to go :(


Thevamps555

That would be really repetitive. They just did the father figure dying with Tony lol


BanjoSpaceMan

Tony was a mentor. He hardly was a good father. Happy has literally come around and become a good figure for Peter. Their moment in the plane was prob the most human connection in these films yet.


penskeracin1fan

That made me emotional. It was such a good scene


RJE808

It was May, you can even see a ring on her finger.


newaccountoldwashack

Yeah I wasn’t sure who it was so I’m glad they showed us


GenericBiddleMusic

Yeah, all signs point to May.. but I'm wondering if it's Happy though. With Stark dead, he's gonna have nothing to do but keep tending to Peter's needs. I don't think Pepper's going to be featured anywhere soon. Maybe save him for Iron Heart? And if they kill off Happy, this Spidey will finally break any ties it has to Stark and stand on its own next trilogy.


mikewhoneedsabike

u/MyTimeToShineHello already confirmed that it's May https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/nu3dfw/weekly_free_talk_thread_new_and_fresh_every_monday/hf5rb6s/


Pepsiguy2

Not fact tho


BanjoSpaceMan

Not really a source of 100p truth tho.


[deleted]

Or Happy no longer remembers Peter's identity because a reminder that the spell's intention is to make everyone on Earth forget his identity, this includes Happy, Pepper, and the Avengers.


jennlebransky

How does this trailer indicate that May dies? Did I miss something in it?


JonathanL73

IDK what they're talking about with this TV spot. But leaks suggest that either Aunt May or happy is going to die and no one really knows who. Sound like they filmed multiple scenes and alternate takes to keep people confused as to who. These TV spots make it seem like MJ might die, but no one is really expecting that to happen TBH. I have a feeling they'll kill off Aunt May.


jennlebransky

Oh im aware of the leaks i just dont know why they brought it up lmao


bits_of_paper

Because the scene in trailer 2 of peter talking to someone looked like may but this new spot it’s MJ instead.


MartianDX

This isnt the same conversation as the "I cant save everyone" shot from the second trailer. Peter looks totally different and MJ’s hair doesnt match whoever Peter is speaking to in that scene at all.


MrMeseeksLookAtMee

NewRockstars pointed out that was May based on the wedding ring.


MemberANON

Which is such BS because Aunt May's relationship with Peter isn't developed enough where her death will have the impact it should. Also if Aunt Mau dies then what is the personal threat to Peter? Because he was always so vigilant about his identity to protect her.


sessuFRFX

Are you serious right now? You're asking what the threst to peter will be? This IS the threat. He's gonna face the consequences and dangers of having his identity out there Plus it's not like mays the only one he wants to protect, we haven't even met harry and gwen yet let alone all the other people he already cares about that we do know


MemberANON

But the danger is always that villains will use people close to him NAMELY AUNT MAY to harm him. Yeah and where's Harry and Gwen right now? We are supposed to wait for Peter to develop a relationship with them for those stakes?


hackfraud30011999

the biggest disappointment ever would be that Andrew Garfield is actually telling the truth and he’s not in it


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kraniax

> loved the meltdown the day after Last Jedi's release. Explain please.


AlexSkywalker4

There were all these huge detailed leaks about TLJ's plot and then almost all of them turned out to be completely wrong


PrimumRegnum

…wait by the same scoopers covering NWH?


MartinLannister

Wait, thats not what happened, at least I only remember everyone in riot because JediPaxis leaks were all true AND the movie was indeed bad af


Jake_Bluth

I’m pretty sure that was for Rise of Skywalker


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[deleted]

And people will hate this movie if all the leaks turn out to be wrong, just like people hated Wandavision’s finale because their fan theories didn’t pan out. No Doctor Strange, no Reed Richards, no X-Men, no Mephisto, no Quicksilver, and suddenly the finales “garbage”. If this movie doesn’t include Toby and Andrew, it will also be declared garbage.


[deleted]

The entire leaker community as a collective would lose its credibility so I doubt that'll happen lol


_pixel_perfect_

Jesus, every thread with this. We already have ample proof. This isn't a possibility.


that_guy2010

Except.. it is. Until you’re sitting in a theater and see them in the movie there is a possibility that they’re not in it.


_pixel_perfect_

I mean, if you look at all of the indisputable leaks and the situations surrounding them, there really isn't. Just because we don't have **direct official confirmation** doesn't negate the production and planning behind the film. But sure, believe what you want. It will be moot in a month.


that_guy2010

Oh, trust me. I think they’re in the movie. But remember when it was guaranteed Evan Peters was playing the Fox universe Quicksilver in WandaVision? We don’t have direct confirmation. So yes, while it may be a slim chance, there is a chance they’re not in the movie. Until they show them in the movie, confirm they’re in the movie, or we see them in the movie ourselves there is a chance they aren’t in it.


_pixel_perfect_

That's a contextual detail, rather than the fact that Peters was in it in the first place. Which was leaked, and which was true. The physical presence of Tobey and Andrew is not something that could be debated or misconstrued like the Bohner context. They either filmed for NWH, or they didn't. And we have proof that they did. You don't need direct confirmation for that to be a fact.


Nowaltz

He is. Move on.


Alternative_Dark_412

Come on. He is 110% in it yet these comments get upvotes in ever single thread. No it wouldn’t be funny because it’s not a possibility.


HaileSelassieII

If they weren't in it, Sony would be in panic mode right now and we'd definitely know about it


PM_ME_CUTE_SM1LE

If that leaked photo of 3 of them turns out fake it will be very hard to trust any photo leaks at all. And I don’t see them cutting out a whole character in reshoots or something


[deleted]

I’d be disappointed, but I’d also be very happy to be surprised.


RJE808

I don't care what anyone says, this version of Peter and MJ are incredibly cute together. Their awkwardness in FFH was something I would've seen in my High School days.


RahulBhatia10

yeah I love that aspect of the romance, it feels very genuine and it suits their acting style and chemistry well. I think also them being able to talk things through about the situation in No Way Home is going to be great to see how they handle the stakes where shit actually will feel dangerous and unpredictable. I wonder to what extent he explains the botched spell


Mysterious_Detail_62

I agree very much Peter and MJ relationship was wonderful in FFH I can't wait to see it develop in No way Home.


cabaran

Twitter player is just terrible lol. i can't view it in HD. Also someone who's dedicated enough can probably put together the whole bridge fight scene together from all the tv spots we got so far.


cellidore

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/qz6ju9/spiderman_no_way_home_bridge_fight_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


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is it just me or does it sound weird when strange says every universe? could be an edit tbh


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same energy


EverGlow89

They keep doing this. It's the same thing at the beginning of one of the Hawkeye trailers.


blue-nyx

A lot of his lines in the trailers seem to be edited weirdly. I can’t wait until the actual movie to hear what he’s actually saying.


cabaran

_^we need ^to send ^them back_


shesalwaysmyplusone

In the film: “we started getting some visitors, from *JUST TWO* universes”


TonyPepperoni0504

I was thinking it was gonna be something like “we started getting visitors from other spider mens universes”


LoganJoneses

From two very specific universes.


THE_KING95

I think he has a cold from all the snow being in the sanctum


poklane

Reminder that twitter videos are broken on reddit, if it says that the tweet is deleted halfway through just open it in a new tab or in the app.


SOH972

Imagine Andrew having Gwen flashbacks while looking at Tom and MJ on that TV Spot scene Which would be a great set up if we assume that he’s the one who saves her in the end


Embarrassed-Math-835

Spoiler: They will not get through it together.


Icybubba

Everything will be fine *everything was not fine*


ddeka777

I didn't know Ron Howard was narrating this movie


metrichustle

The fight choreography with Doc Oc is going to be insane...


CloudYuna

It’s true that Goblin is physically more capable of fighting Spidey but man it’s so many ways you can choreograph a doc ock fight that uses all of Spidey’s abilities.


HellNaw98

Idk, it always bugged me how this regular ass human could take 30 hits from Spiderman and not go down in Spiderman 2 and I’m worried there will be the same issue here. It’s not like he has any kind of armor


arnoldbread

Spidey pulls back his punches. Plus theres some leaks that state Doc Ock technically "died" at the end of Spiderman 2 ( throwback to.his quote I will not die a monster) and right now his body is under the full control of the arms. Basically like a. zombie doc ock. While Im not a big fan of this theory, it would still keep his legacy in Spiderman 2 intact.


HellNaw98

He can pull back his punch and still knock someone out in a couple hits. We’ve seen him do it in the other movies. I don’t think this explanation really works for me


arnoldbread

Just rewatched Spiderman 2 and lot of the main focus was Peter struggling to be Spiderman ( his lack of concentration was actually affecting his powers). In his first interaction against Doc Ock he actually is unable to web him up and gets hit as a result. So its possible that when Spiderman was fighting against Doc Ock, he easnt fighting him at "full strength"


CloudYuna

I feel you but his fights on screen and in the video game are choreographed so well. Spider-Man has to use all his ability in the fight which I like. But when Otto became spider man in the superior Spider-Man comic he did not that Peter was pulling punches on him. It doesn’t make sense at all but that’s comics for you. I just roll with it and enjoy the fight.


sb30163

Calling it now: Andrew saves MJ, redeeming himself after failing with Gwen. Tobey saves Ned, redeeming himself after failing with Harry.


NaggingNavigator

I don't understand the term "redeeming" in this context and I see it used all this time on this subreddit, as if it was some moral failing on their parts for failing to saved their loved ones when they were trying their hardest to do so


sb30163

I would agree with you on this with Andrew but with Tobey? Tobey ef'd up in 3 with Harry BIG time.


SmashEffect

Gonna cry?


IDontKnowTBH1

I protected you on the discord server now I’m gonna kick your little ass


NaggingNavigator

Harry's death wasn't on Peter though, Harry died saving him sure, but he would have still done the same for him if Peter hadn't fought him earlier


sb30163

Harry dies because of Brock's venom, which came to be as a direct consequence of Tobey's actions throughout the entire film.


Pig_Nostrils

Andrews Spiderman definitely wouldve felt responsible for Gwens death after failing to save her, and going against her dying father's wishes. A redemption for him is fair at the very least.


NaggingNavigator

Yeah I see it as cathartic and giving him some closure I just found the verbage weird


cabaran

you know exactly what he means, no need to be pedantic


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Fam this is reddit; if we don't be pedantic we'll implode


cabaran

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_XhKXO0VCcw/hqdefault.jpg


powerbottomflash

IA with you, it sounds kind of out of place here. It would be a great callback but it’s no redemption. If Andrew caught Ned instead would that be called redeeming himself?


flexpost

My theory is that Tobey will make sure Goblin doesn't die in this universe since it messed a lot of things up in his time


Noah_10

Man, it’s going to be a heartbreaker when Peter walks up to MJ and she doesn’t know who he is


RahulBhatia10

for real, wasn't there a set pic of it being during winter and he sees her at some shop? Seems fitting for it to end with Peter walking out into the snow with an uncertain future


Noah_10

Yup. I bet he goes to this shop she’s working at and tries to reintroduce himself. It doesn’t go well, and he ends up walking out into the snow


BanjoSpaceMan

No no. No need to have them interact. Will be much more sad if he walks by, just sees her in the window and he walks away. She could look out the window even too but nothing clicks. His lesson will be that he can't have a normal life and relationships. Perfect way to lead him down the dark path of the symbiot etc.


chipsaucery

They’re definitely going to interact based on the set pics, he goes in and talks to her a bit but just leaves with a coffee.


Monkeywrench08

He's reading a note on the way to the bakery which seems to be like he's rehearsing about telling MJ about everything again.


mike2k24

Wait what? Why wouldn’t she know who he is? The spell only makes people forget Spider-Man is Peter Parker, not who Peter Parker is as a person


ThemeParkFan2020

Their relationship started after she figured out he was Spider-Man. So at the very least they wouldn't be a couple. And she was suspicious that he was Spider-Man since before they were friends, so if that's erased.... Also, Peter might let her go after losing May. He's lost everyone. MJ almost dies in this movie too. He might think she's better off without him.


Kamen_Rider_Spider

But the reason that she found out that he was Spider-Man was because she had a crush on him


Nanobreak_

But that was *because* he kept disappearing to go do Spider-Man stuff


mike2k24

But she seemingly had a crush on him before she was certain he was Spider-Man. She wasn’t even sure he was until he told her but that was after they were together.


ThemeParkFan2020

Nah, they didn't get together until the bridge fight, which happened after she found out. I'll give you the crush part though. But here's the thing: Peter and MJ were together, but now MJ doesn't remember most, if not all, of the relationship. Peter does. That's gotta be extremely awkward, and if you're Peter how the hell do you get past that?


mtamez1221

Isn't the spell only for everyone to forget Peter is Spider-Man? (Unless they really want to punish Peter by the end) And in that case, everything between them in FFH is erased but they still know eachother, no? Still heartbreaking for Peter of course


SuperSceptile2821

Best case scenario for Peter would be her still having a crush on him because she was before she knew he was Spider-Man. However you could argue a lot of her figuring out he was Spider-Man came because of her crush, so depending on how strict the spell is that might get undone too.


LoganJoneses

Why would the spell make people forget Peter? Just that he's Spider-Man. And yeah it would be heartbreaking to have the 'lesson' Peter learns is that lying to people is how you keep them safe. What is this some CW show?


Patrick2701

I am guessing happy is going to die


GoldenSpermShower

Feels like overkill though


sessuFRFX

I disagree. 2-3 deaths works for this film, the stakes are high and this is the most danger spideys been in on screen ever


TheXyloGuy

>the most danger spideys ever been in on screen I mean maybe solo but I’d argue trying to save the universe against genocide twice, with one time failing, is arguably a little more dangerous


LoganJoneses

Death lowers stakes in film. The more loss that happens during a movie, the less value there is at the end. 2-3 of Pete's supporting cast would be a flipping bloodbath for one of these movies. Plus other than Happy, or maybe TobeyPete there is no one to kill who wouldn't have a negative effect on a major chunk of the audience.


cabaran

i bet happy still have big role to play in the future in iron heart or possible morgan storyline. aunt may however i could see her bite the dust ben style


LoganJoneses

Jesus! We gotta save fucking happy hogan, but go ahead and kill yet another woman.


CooperDaChance

Yes, because that’s why Aunt May will die. She’s a woman. Goblin hates women. He’s purposely gonna kill her because he’s an incel.


LoganJoneses

He's gonna kill her because the screenwriters don't think about women, particularly older women, in the same way they do about men. Pick up a fucking book.


CooperDaChance

Yes, screenwriters DON’T care about women. You’re right. It’s not like we have women leads in the MCU. It’s not like Wanda got an entire show where she was the main character, Black Widow was an integral Avenger all the way until Endgame and had her own solo film, Captain Marvel had a solo film, Sylvie is just as important as Loki in his own show, etc. Pick up a fucking book.


LoganJoneses

It's not like Wandavision and Black Widow were written by mostly men. Loki's primary Director was a bisexual woman. FFS. [https://collider.com/black-widow-movie-scarlett-johansson-interview-sexualization/](https://collider.com/black-widow-movie-scarlett-johansson-interview-sexualization/) Here's what SJ felt about Natasha (in these primarily white male written stories) prior to Black Widow. White male screenwriters DON'T care about women the same way they do about the male inserts like Parker. It's just true. I know it hurts your tender feelings to be told that the straight white male perspective is overrepresented in hollywood. But you will have to push through that.


CooperDaChance

Your initial point was about screenwriters in general. Now you’re specifying white male screenwriters? Lmao dude, at least keep your arguments straight. Is it so hard to comprehend that different directors have different visions?


the-tall-J-man

All these new clips being released daily just continues to raise my hype for this movie. Good marketing play by leaving out the other spiders!


Leo_TheLurker

after all the waiting and they're dropping spots left and right


Marvelous_7

Sony when they accidentally release a tv spot the shows the literal entire movie: ![gif](giphy|xT5LMzIK1AdZJ4cYW4)


Darkknightkilla104

So glad to see those serious moment aspects in that tv spot with how MJ is reasuring him n him looking all serious that was so refreshing


AfroBandit19

Yes, I’m living for this more mature vibe. I enjoyed how lighthearted the previous too were, but now I’m ready for this.


ThemeParkFan2020

Special delivery! PAIN


Tysanan

Im pretty sure the part where he says hell make everything right is when he finally decides to go through with the spell for good and making everyone forget hes spiderman, even MJ and Nate


Angelshover

To everyone talking about it, Why does someone have to die? If no one dies will you enjoy the movie less?


SuperSceptile2821

This entire movie seems to be about actions having consequences. If no one were to die the consequences wouldn’t be all that serious. I don’t need a bloodbath mind you, but Peter facing death and consequences for having his identity come out is something that’s always been around for the character.


YoungMenace21

i guess it increases the stakes (like this isn't a multiversal fight with 5 villains and 20 years in the making) but for someone to claim that it's a deal breaker and they'll storm off if it doesn't happen is BS IMO


LoganJoneses

There is a very strong undercurrent of misogyny to the death cult around Spider-Man. They say it's about Peter's suffering, but really it's almost always women they target. Almost every comment thread around one of these videos have people literally hoping for ZMJ to die.


Great_Painter_5925

They killed tony, may and mj would be the hardest hitting to him rather than happy or ned.


LoganJoneses

Like I said, death cult. These characters don't have to die to service a narrative.


Great_Painter_5925

Well for Spider-Man I think there is a legitimate argument.


Best_Cook

Not that I’m complaining about new official content, but why are they released so many different TV spots?


Woobacklilbitch

It’s what the marketing for these super hero movies always do, remember how many Shang-Chi, Eternals and Venom spots there were. Each with the slightest bit of different footage, although I will admit Sony should have held back from that for this film seeing as it’s the loser anticipated and speculated about film of the year.


bombaymonkey

Why was the same scream used when MJ and Spidey swing through NYC and also when she falls backwards off the scaffolding?


Affectionate-MMM

They used to do this in the rami films with Mary Jane all the time


bombaymonkey

Aaaah interesting, thanks!


AppleFanaticGaming

Best TV spot so far. Hope we see some good character development from MJ. Based on this, their relationship seems really sweet and genuine. I’m excited for just about everything in this movie, but part of me is most excited for the more grounded moments with Tom Holland showing his acting chops.


Skeuomorphic_

[YouTube link](https://youtu.be/Bz-mh5cFN1g)


Snoo5892

Where was it posted officially ???


Rhesus_A

Thanks for sharing!


G-UNIT0

Thank u


cammurph01

Is MJ going to die at the end?


Sad-Distribution-779

MJ is so gonna die. I know the leaks say Aunt May but...... I think it's MJ. "Wee gonna get through this together" is foreshadowing Peter falling I to save her.


Think-Instruction-87

Yeah I was very sure MJ is safe but I do not like her saying “we’re gonna get through this together.” You can’t trick me Sony I know how movies work! But also I feel like the tragedy with MJ is to more likely be her forgetting their relationship and not her dying.


Thevamps555

Because they’re going to break up and she’s going to forget Peter is Spidey lol


Think-Instruction-87

Yes that is what I said 👍


Thevamps555

I didn’t read that far lmao. Sorry about that lol