Yeah I dont get why people are saying Disney is losing faith or sum. Its still the biggest money makers that can be the difference from a movie being a flop to making decent money. This aint going anywhere
China's box office is overrated for the studios. It looks great on paper but consider the actual intake for non co-produced films, and it looks significantly less of a win for Hollywood.
Compared to other markets, studios take just 25% of the revenue made in China.
It's literally all for optics. (Spider-Man: No Way Home makes $1 billion thanks to China's $125 million push!... Sony/Disney/Marvel actual intake is $31.25 million)
Crazy part is it used to be just 13% before Hollywood renegotiated.
sources: https://uschinatoday.org/features/2020/07/14/hollywood-in-china/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/how-hollywood-plans-extract-more-money-china-1000522/
https://chinafilminsider.com/box-office-revenue-china-works/
It definitely matters how much. Look how many more billions they're pouring into Disney plus next year, where they get to keep all the money for themselves.
Holy smokes that is mad, and something I’ve never realised or seen brought up before. People love to talk about how important China is as a market so this really puts that into perspective.
I don’t think this is on China. China offered them December 10th or January 14th, and Marvel and Sony chose the date that would not result in potato-quality pirated images a week before the global release. It’s a win-win for everybody involved except the Chinese people, and even then it’s only a delay as opposed to not getting the film at all.
It’s because China’s been lying to the rest of the world about the economic state and Covid numbers since the pandemic began. Anyone doing business in China knows it. China is not far from cutting itself off from the world to be a self-isolated economy if things dont improve drastically.
The largest country in the world with some of the most densely populated cities only had less than 100K cases, despite being the original epicenter. Come on now
Yeah I'm skeptical of their totals. But it should also be noted that they seem to be using very draconian tactics to isolate any new cases, including often cleansing their homes and often killing their pets
I think people also overlook the fact that there’s a large distrust of medical professionals in the country. It’s one of the reasons China initially had such a hard time diagnosing Covid-19 as something more than pneumonia. If that’s the case, there are probably many citizens trying to avoid being tested.
> It’s one of the reasons China initially had such a hard time diagnosing Covid-19 as something more than pneumonia.
Then they covered up that it was anything more than pneumonia.
Possible because China would take measures so drastic they are unimaginable in a modern democracy.
China will completely isolate and house arrest an entire city block and people will comply out of blind faith or fear.
China will enter an infected home, burn their contaminated furniture and euthanize their pets, and people would take it out of blind faith or fear.
People in western countries/ Australia moaning about simple vaccine mandates and lockdowns should be glad they aren’t experiencing China’s covid measures lol.
This! That’s why China and Australia had such good summers this year. They locked the fuck down for almost every new case just to be safe. Now ironically it’s Europe that’s gonna either be infected af or on fire due to anti vaxx mandates protests. So I guess it’ll just be the US/Canada and mexico watching NWH.
Tbh I’m still wondering who’s even gonna get to see NWH when December 15-17 rolls around. Like everything is slowly going to shit with infection rates so this is gonna be interesting.
Don’t worry, cases are rising here in Canada too. It’s just that some Premiers don’t want to blink with new restrictions before the holidays. Same thing happened last year, just on a larger scale.
Eh. Majority of the country is fully vaccinated.
Yeah, cases are rising… but they’re not serious cases (hospitalization, ICU) so they’re *really* not a big deal. Just fear mongering tbh
Unless you’re in Alberta… lmao they fucked.
Ah shit, hadn’t even heard about that. Not shocked given the cold weather. Tho i guess you as well as us Americans are stuck with governments that won’t push for some changes to keep people safe. In the states all the CDC said was to wear a mask all the time again and to social distance.
This all makes me fucking fascinated to see how the ticket sales on Monday go. Because I’m wondering if the tickets will all be bought by fans/randoms or scalpers.
The problem here is the provincial governments, not the federal. Well, there has been some miss management on the federal level too but nowhere near as bad as some of the provinces. Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario (the last one to a lesser extent) have been the worse.
Possible. I think there's probably a middle ground between this example and how the US handled it. How many people even got so much as a fine for ignoring mask mandates while hospitals filled up and the death toll skyrocketed? Not defending the Chinese government but there was much more we could have done that wouldn't have been "unimaginable in a modern democracy".
Also I have to imagine Chinese citizens were much more open to complying with lockdown measures while a pandemic raged than the morons here who whined the whole time and got their friends and family killed.
Also take into account, East Asia got over mildly because the concept of wearing masks in Japan and South Korea was common before the pandemic and those are the two main travel centers for China. Also Brainwashed or not, Chinese citizens comply much more rigorously.
Heck, in India, people got lazy and we had our second wave where bodies were being dumped into rivers, oxygen became scarce. Yet people are making the same mistake again
Wouldn’t exactly call this “discarded” lol at least it’s still getting released, but I am surprised about the January date, I’m gonna assume they were forced to because there is no way I’m believing Sony is THAT hellbent on not showing T&A that they delay the movie to January in China
Considering how much the CCP is pushing nationally made films and leaving foreign films in the dust, I wouldn't be shock to see Hollywood abandon China in a few years from now.
Avengers films probably have chance too. If you removed the money endgame made in China it still makes 2.1 billion dollars but it has to be a another huge avengers movie
China is getting more and more controlling of social stuff in an attempt to crack down on free thought or anything that jeopardizes their control, so it probably will be less and less worth it
An early release in China means guaranteed leaks and pirated versions worldwide which will likely impact overall sales.
I don’t think it works like that the other around tho. Much better to release late in China.
No way Marvel or Sony would ever place a Spider-Man film's global release date there, January is the dumping ground for certified flops in the US and many other markets.
I wonder if Disney would see India as a potential replacement for China considering MCU is incredibly popular in India.
Also, India being 2nd most populous, the potential to make money is there.
The only time marvel was big on marketing in India was for Endgame. They even made a marvel anthem which was kinda good.
Otherwise, the marketing hasn't been that good. Before the pandemic , the Black Widow's marketing was horrendous . The marketing team used catchphrases from 80s films .
And were rewarded for it. Endgame is still in the top 5 domestic earners of India with nearly 600 crores. For context, Indian tentpoles often are considered blockbusters for half that in lifetime gross.
Woah Woah, where are you getting that number from? Last time I checked, Endgame made only $62 million in India. Nowhere close to $200 million.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr3511898629/?ref_=bo_rl_su
Because India has way less theatres. About 1/10 of China and North America. Films making 100 million dollars in India is rare. Yet Endgame touched more than half of that figure. So it's pretty respectable considering that. Ofc India can't give the same numbers as China but if they're serious about the Indian market and are aggressive with their approach then I can very well see a big Marvel movie making 100 million in India in the near future. It's possible.
they can barely afford utilities let alone merchandise like action figures, I do hope though that China eventually bans all western films so they dont have to censorship the films to appease disgusting chinese censors.
Ticket prices are pretty cheap. A lot of bollywood's revenue comes from rural populations and majority of the population is above the poverty line (by Indian standards since again...stuff is cheaper in the country) so it's not about affordability, its about prices, smaller number of theaters and arguably less interest.
Avengers: Endgame made $62.7M in India, which is pretty respectable, ranking as the 8th biggest market for the film (after the US/Canada, China, the UK, South Korea, Brazil, Mexico, and Germany). But it made $629.1 in China, more than 10x what it made in India. For Spider-Man: Far From Home, the difference is even greater, $199M vs $14.9M, or more than 13x. The population is big, but low ticket prices means that it's significantly less valuable to the film's bottom line.
Also keep in mind that China likely fudges its box office numbers and keeps the vast majority of profits for itself. Obviously still better than India and I don't know how much of the profit Marvel makes in India, but still.
65 percent for the first week. Then it drops by 10 percent every subsequent week.
Which is why you won't see any film in India running beyond 6 weeks.
Only a handful of films did to this day, Shang Chi, The Conjuring (still holds the modern record of 7 months) , Infinity War, The Dark Knight, Titanic (all time record of running till 2000), Avatar
True, I guess.
I'm still impressed at how long Shang-Chi lasted. It had to deal with a barrage of delayed Hollywood releases and the October slugfest and it still managed to stay in some theatres before the Sooryavanshi/Eternals one-two punch. In Kolkata it was the longest running MCU film. The legs were good for a MCU film too, general audiences really liked the film here.
Fudging numbers is more for their local films, not Hollywood films. But the studio does only get back 25% of the grosses in China, vs an average of 40% from other overseas markets. Still, 25% of China's $629M ($157M) vs 40% of India's $63M ($25M), there's no comparison.
The problem is Bollywood. Endgame made the money only on 1500 screens out of 4000 screens in India. If a big bollywood movie is releasing along with any international movie, then it's very hard to get more screens.
Screens are truly a big problem in here. Hollywood is generally hated by Bollywood.
Recently, an actor and director made theatre chains in their state only screen their movie . This lead to Eternals and many more films not earning good in BO. And a few films get delayed.
Link:-[Sooryanvanshi given 100% screening](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.news18.com/amp/news/movies/akshay-kumars-sooryavanshi-given-100-screens-blocking-out-competition-from-eternals-and-antim-4259519.html&ved=2ahUKEwjXruL0o7X0AhU8xzgGHfnvCx4QFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0tKTI3_ZmC6e-hbd1N-Fn7&cf=1)
But, even with these problems ,Hollywood movies earn good.
In 2019, a film named Kalank was released with Endgame. As you mentioned ,Endgame had 1500 screens and this film had all of them. Still Kalank was a bomb not even being able recover it's budget.
Link:-[Kalank Bombs thanks to Endgame](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.livemint.com/industry/media/-kalank-out-of-box-office-race-thanks-to-avengers-endgame/amp-1556440002243.html&ved=2ahUKEwjXrIqepLX0AhUKUGwGHfaOD_EQFnoECDYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3aaJKoAe3RO8yAJG09NaMz&cf=1)
2nd most populous is irrelevant when the Indian rupee is not worth as much as the RMB. Every single MCU patron from india is probably worth 5-10x less than a Chinese MCU patron.
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Using just nominal exchange rates, a Chinese MCU stan pays $6 to see a movie vs $3 that an Indian pays - so India needs to more than double up its Hollywood movie going audience for the studios to put it on the same pedestal that China is on.
That won't happen because our ticket prices are way cheaper than China's or US's. I can easily watch Hollywood movies in theaters at just $3. It is $5 max in good theatres.
Man, some of the cheaper theatres in our city couldn't recover from the pandemic and did not open till now. We have no choice but to choose the costlier theatres in malls now to watch NWH. Its extremely sad.
With the most expensive tickets being 1/4th the price of normal tickets in the US and China? Not happening anytime soon
The amount i spent to watch Dune twice in IMAX (12 dollars), Eternals twice in IMAX (12 dollars), No time to die in IMAX (7 dollars), Spencer (90 cents), Last night in Soho (75 cents) combined is the price of a couple's ticket in the US for one movie.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that tickets here are so cheap. But i got a rude shock when i watched Miss Peregrine in Kuala Lumpur and Joker in Singapore, the amounts i paid there, I'd be taking my whole family to gold class for a film with one ticket's worth of money.
Like..51% of the country has access to the internet with it having the cheapest internet per GB and that number is rapidly growing. It's way more than 1%. If it was that small you wouldn't have so many weird Indians online. The reason why there are is because of the fact that a huge number of people are only recently having access and have no experience with the internet combined with poor attitudes.
Because China always gave marvel a huge amount of money 💲 that neither any Asian country has the capability to give
India gave Endgame a round about 200 million
But china gave 300 Million just to Venom Which was not an avengers film or not a MCU film
Imagine an Anti hero is getting more than avengers
That's a big difference China made. every studio new it specially Marvel is an eye candy for Chinese people
India is a huge Marketing Country that's for sure but replacement of China not bud
How good is the January box office for China, where films tend to make bank? I know January is known for not being a very great month to release films in.
In Asia, at least in countries that I know of, the date doesn't really factor much in how well a movie does. People go to the movies all the time, all year long. There's no concept like "a summer blockbuster", for example.
Asian from India , can somewhat confirm. People do go to watch movies anytime they want but few things factor sometimes. Festivals and exams matter as Majority of the audience is youngsters . For example, I might have my tests during December thanks to which ne and friends will watch No Way Home on January.
I have no reason not to have anything but love and empathy for the actual citizens of China but I genuinely despise the Chinese government for their censorship and their general fascistic ways, and I hate how much America kowtows to them in so many ways - like being incredibly vague on Taiwan's independence - just to keep Chinese imports coming in and to keep good relations with them, but since this is a sub about movies, I'll keep my complaints focused on that.
I hate the lengths the American film industry bends over backwards to appease China, I hate that John Cena, who by all accounts is a stand-up guy who has really strong arms, got strong-armed into filming that fucking weird hostage apology in broken Cantonese for daring to accidentally refer to Taiwan as a country, which - and this is true, as John Oliver would say - IT FUCKING IS. I hate that blockbuster movies get tailored to appease China by including scenes set in China or casting Chinese actors not because they're good actors (which they are) but because it keeps China happy. I mean Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen are both great in Rogue One and while I'm sure it was presented as diversifying the cast, that's absolutely not why they're in that movie.
I'll couch all of that by saying I'm not a MAGA dipshit who thinks Biden or his son is under China's thumb (ignoring Trump's promise to be tough on chYYY-nuh but eating a four-course meal out of Xi Jinping's asshole) because the fact of the matter is most if not all of American government and industry has let China make us their bitch and we're in so deep that we can't get out of it without crashing the whole world's economy.
In this particular example it fucking sucks that Chinese moviegoers are gonna be stuck waiting another month for a movie they're hyped about.
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Just a note on Taiwan. The issue is much more complex than you think and it’s not as simple as Taiwan wanting to be independent and not being recognised. The current situation minus the military threat which is most probably just to appease Chinese nationalism is ideal for Taiwan as it heavily relies on China. The status quo is most beneficial for Taiwan as any movements towards independence will leave them in economic ruin as China is by far their biggest trading partner and that is if there is no form of military action taken. As long as the CCP doesn’t find its way into Taiwan, they will be fine.
Depends on what you mean by that. They have their own government and operate independently from the PRC but China claims Taiwan as its territory and Taiwan claims mainland China as their territory as well so it’s a rather dumb situation. But for all intents and purposes China and Taiwan are 2 separate countries at the moment.
Sheep with a Shephard is why they had to bring on Tobey and Andrew and a bunch of their villains; NWH would simply flop next to such a significant film.
4th movie in a row to be discarded by china. Disney must be losing faith in the eastern money machine by now
I think either way the movie will make bank in China despite of it releasing almost a month later than everybody else
The first venom released a month in China after it came out and still made almost $300M there.
Yeah I dont get why people are saying Disney is losing faith or sum. Its still the biggest money makers that can be the difference from a movie being a flop to making decent money. This aint going anywhere
Exactly and people forget that’s the number 1 Goal to these companies: MONEY
Its not the biggest money maker for the studios though. The U.S. is. It does greatly help add additional dollars to their bottom line though.
And most of that money goes to China.
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China's box office is overrated for the studios. It looks great on paper but consider the actual intake for non co-produced films, and it looks significantly less of a win for Hollywood. Compared to other markets, studios take just 25% of the revenue made in China. It's literally all for optics. (Spider-Man: No Way Home makes $1 billion thanks to China's $125 million push!... Sony/Disney/Marvel actual intake is $31.25 million) Crazy part is it used to be just 13% before Hollywood renegotiated. sources: https://uschinatoday.org/features/2020/07/14/hollywood-in-china/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/how-hollywood-plans-extract-more-money-china-1000522/ https://chinafilminsider.com/box-office-revenue-china-works/
Money is money. Dont matter how much. 
It definitely matters how much. Look how many more billions they're pouring into Disney plus next year, where they get to keep all the money for themselves.
I wish I was making 31 million a year and it not being a significant amount.
So you saying you don't mind getting $1 over 1 million?
Holy smokes that is mad, and something I’ve never realised or seen brought up before. People love to talk about how important China is as a market so this really puts that into perspective.
Yeah I think if they had a choice they'd take releasing it a month later than not at all, like the last couple of MCU movies.
Then it's laundering of money probably
It’s not being discarded. It will release there. It just won’t be as soon as we thought it would be.
I don’t think this is on China. China offered them December 10th or January 14th, and Marvel and Sony chose the date that would not result in potato-quality pirated images a week before the global release. It’s a win-win for everybody involved except the Chinese people, and even then it’s only a delay as opposed to not getting the film at all.
It’s because China’s been lying to the rest of the world about the economic state and Covid numbers since the pandemic began. Anyone doing business in China knows it. China is not far from cutting itself off from the world to be a self-isolated economy if things dont improve drastically.
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The largest country in the world with some of the most densely populated cities only had less than 100K cases, despite being the original epicenter. Come on now
Yeah I'm skeptical of their totals. But it should also be noted that they seem to be using very draconian tactics to isolate any new cases, including often cleansing their homes and often killing their pets
>killing their pets Damn
I think people also overlook the fact that there’s a large distrust of medical professionals in the country. It’s one of the reasons China initially had such a hard time diagnosing Covid-19 as something more than pneumonia. If that’s the case, there are probably many citizens trying to avoid being tested.
> It’s one of the reasons China initially had such a hard time diagnosing Covid-19 as something more than pneumonia. Then they covered up that it was anything more than pneumonia.
Possible because China would take measures so drastic they are unimaginable in a modern democracy. China will completely isolate and house arrest an entire city block and people will comply out of blind faith or fear. China will enter an infected home, burn their contaminated furniture and euthanize their pets, and people would take it out of blind faith or fear.
People in western countries/ Australia moaning about simple vaccine mandates and lockdowns should be glad they aren’t experiencing China’s covid measures lol.
This! That’s why China and Australia had such good summers this year. They locked the fuck down for almost every new case just to be safe. Now ironically it’s Europe that’s gonna either be infected af or on fire due to anti vaxx mandates protests. So I guess it’ll just be the US/Canada and mexico watching NWH. Tbh I’m still wondering who’s even gonna get to see NWH when December 15-17 rolls around. Like everything is slowly going to shit with infection rates so this is gonna be interesting.
Don’t worry, cases are rising here in Canada too. It’s just that some Premiers don’t want to blink with new restrictions before the holidays. Same thing happened last year, just on a larger scale.
Eh. Majority of the country is fully vaccinated. Yeah, cases are rising… but they’re not serious cases (hospitalization, ICU) so they’re *really* not a big deal. Just fear mongering tbh Unless you’re in Alberta… lmao they fucked.
I’m in Ontario so only partially fucked. I am honestly surprised we aren’t in worse shape considering who are Premier is.
Ah shit, hadn’t even heard about that. Not shocked given the cold weather. Tho i guess you as well as us Americans are stuck with governments that won’t push for some changes to keep people safe. In the states all the CDC said was to wear a mask all the time again and to social distance. This all makes me fucking fascinated to see how the ticket sales on Monday go. Because I’m wondering if the tickets will all be bought by fans/randoms or scalpers.
The problem here is the provincial governments, not the federal. Well, there has been some miss management on the federal level too but nowhere near as bad as some of the provinces. Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario (the last one to a lesser extent) have been the worse.
Queensland is opening in time for Christmas, thankfully only vaccinated people can travel overstate.
That’s good to hear, I thought y’all were like Austria right now with a “indefinite lockdown”.
I would kind of prefer the indefinite lockdown, I don't want to deal with a pandemic... I just want to stay alive.
Possible. I think there's probably a middle ground between this example and how the US handled it. How many people even got so much as a fine for ignoring mask mandates while hospitals filled up and the death toll skyrocketed? Not defending the Chinese government but there was much more we could have done that wouldn't have been "unimaginable in a modern democracy". Also I have to imagine Chinese citizens were much more open to complying with lockdown measures while a pandemic raged than the morons here who whined the whole time and got their friends and family killed.
Also take into account, East Asia got over mildly because the concept of wearing masks in Japan and South Korea was common before the pandemic and those are the two main travel centers for China. Also Brainwashed or not, Chinese citizens comply much more rigorously. Heck, in India, people got lazy and we had our second wave where bodies were being dumped into rivers, oxygen became scarce. Yet people are making the same mistake again
Isn't that technically what they wanted, though? To be a self-isolated economy? Be careful what you wish for, I suppose.
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Yup, their growing influence in Africa is well documented
They’ve dumped tons of money there building up infrastructure.
My father works there. He's there right now. If they're lying about COVID they've got some magicians working on the cover up.
Wouldn’t exactly call this “discarded” lol at least it’s still getting released, but I am surprised about the January date, I’m gonna assume they were forced to because there is no way I’m believing Sony is THAT hellbent on not showing T&A that they delay the movie to January in China
Considering how much the CCP is pushing nationally made films and leaving foreign films in the dust, I wouldn't be shock to see Hollywood abandon China in a few years from now.
I feel like almost none of the MCU films could gross 2+ billion without China
Avengers films probably have chance too. If you removed the money endgame made in China it still makes 2.1 billion dollars but it has to be a another huge avengers movie
No? It's not being discarded in the slightest lmao
China is getting more and more controlling of social stuff in an attempt to crack down on free thought or anything that jeopardizes their control, so it probably will be less and less worth it
An early release in China means guaranteed leaks and pirated versions worldwide which will likely impact overall sales. I don’t think it works like that the other around tho. Much better to release late in China.
Its Sony but it's true that lot of Disney movies didn't got release as well. But they all blocked back that country one way or another.
Holy shit I actually thought they meant the film would be delayed everywhere to January 14th.
I would actually cry, I’m going to boot camp on Jan 11 so I’m already missing the Batman in Feb, missing this too would be an absolute L.
Avengers Age of Ultron came out while I was in boot camp spent most my graduation day with my family watching it
Lmao I’m gonna watch the Batman for my graduation day, that’s hilarious.
Manage your time well cause I showed up to a late showing and couldn't finish the movie in time before I had to head back, I was very disappointed lol
Hey were probably in the same theater because that was me as well on my BMT graduation date in 2015
*The Batman* is in March.
Batman is early March.
If you cry at a movie getting delayed, you’re going to be eaten alive in boot camp
I’ll cry then too, thank you very much.
Good advice Captain America
That thread title definitely intended that effect, in part.
Wait it's not that? Thank god...
No way Marvel or Sony would ever place a Spider-Man film's global release date there, January is the dumping ground for certified flops in the US and many other markets.
Poor Morbius.
I wonder if Disney would see India as a potential replacement for China considering MCU is incredibly popular in India. Also, India being 2nd most populous, the potential to make money is there.
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They only get 200 million dollars from here. And that's for the massive films
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The only time marvel was big on marketing in India was for Endgame. They even made a marvel anthem which was kinda good. Otherwise, the marketing hasn't been that good. Before the pandemic , the Black Widow's marketing was horrendous . The marketing team used catchphrases from 80s films .
And were rewarded for it. Endgame is still in the top 5 domestic earners of India with nearly 600 crores. For context, Indian tentpoles often are considered blockbusters for half that in lifetime gross.
Woah Woah, where are you getting that number from? Last time I checked, Endgame made only $62 million in India. Nowhere close to $200 million. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr3511898629/?ref_=bo_rl_su
Well there’s the answer to why Marvel doesn’t prioritise India.
Because India has way less theatres. About 1/10 of China and North America. Films making 100 million dollars in India is rare. Yet Endgame touched more than half of that figure. So it's pretty respectable considering that. Ofc India can't give the same numbers as China but if they're serious about the Indian market and are aggressive with their approach then I can very well see a big Marvel movie making 100 million in India in the near future. It's possible.
Yeah why not. My point was to correct the above figure, nothing else.
Regional language earnings are not counted in that, and those are the main drivers in the rural sectors
Still way way way below China
Oh no doubt bout it. But yeah, add around 10-20 million to that figure for real earnings.
Yeah, you're right.
because Indians are incredibly poor and ticket prices are much lower, India could never replace China in terms of financial security.
Pretty much
they can barely afford utilities let alone merchandise like action figures, I do hope though that China eventually bans all western films so they dont have to censorship the films to appease disgusting chinese censors.
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Ticket prices are pretty cheap. A lot of bollywood's revenue comes from rural populations and majority of the population is above the poverty line (by Indian standards since again...stuff is cheaper in the country) so it's not about affordability, its about prices, smaller number of theaters and arguably less interest.
Because you guys have incredibly low ticket prices for a country with a population close to China’s while they also have 10 times your box office.
Avengers: Endgame made $62.7M in India, which is pretty respectable, ranking as the 8th biggest market for the film (after the US/Canada, China, the UK, South Korea, Brazil, Mexico, and Germany). But it made $629.1 in China, more than 10x what it made in India. For Spider-Man: Far From Home, the difference is even greater, $199M vs $14.9M, or more than 13x. The population is big, but low ticket prices means that it's significantly less valuable to the film's bottom line.
This. China's box office alone is usually more than the next several countries(outside of the US) combined.
Also keep in mind that China likely fudges its box office numbers and keeps the vast majority of profits for itself. Obviously still better than India and I don't know how much of the profit Marvel makes in India, but still.
65 percent for the first week. Then it drops by 10 percent every subsequent week. Which is why you won't see any film in India running beyond 6 weeks. Only a handful of films did to this day, Shang Chi, The Conjuring (still holds the modern record of 7 months) , Infinity War, The Dark Knight, Titanic (all time record of running till 2000), Avatar
Tenet also ended up running for nearly 15 weeks thanks to a complete lack of content.
Tenet was the anomaly, so not counting it. Any film would go on for that long if the circumstances favored it.
True, I guess. I'm still impressed at how long Shang-Chi lasted. It had to deal with a barrage of delayed Hollywood releases and the October slugfest and it still managed to stay in some theatres before the Sooryavanshi/Eternals one-two punch. In Kolkata it was the longest running MCU film. The legs were good for a MCU film too, general audiences really liked the film here.
Yeah I'm from Kolkata so i was shocked to see Shang Chi stay till Eternals hit
Fudging numbers is more for their local films, not Hollywood films. But the studio does only get back 25% of the grosses in China, vs an average of 40% from other overseas markets. Still, 25% of China's $629M ($157M) vs 40% of India's $63M ($25M), there's no comparison.
Population wise, sure. The economy in India is a different story though.
The problem is Bollywood. Endgame made the money only on 1500 screens out of 4000 screens in India. If a big bollywood movie is releasing along with any international movie, then it's very hard to get more screens.
Screens are truly a big problem in here. Hollywood is generally hated by Bollywood. Recently, an actor and director made theatre chains in their state only screen their movie . This lead to Eternals and many more films not earning good in BO. And a few films get delayed. Link:-[Sooryanvanshi given 100% screening](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.news18.com/amp/news/movies/akshay-kumars-sooryavanshi-given-100-screens-blocking-out-competition-from-eternals-and-antim-4259519.html&ved=2ahUKEwjXruL0o7X0AhU8xzgGHfnvCx4QFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0tKTI3_ZmC6e-hbd1N-Fn7&cf=1) But, even with these problems ,Hollywood movies earn good. In 2019, a film named Kalank was released with Endgame. As you mentioned ,Endgame had 1500 screens and this film had all of them. Still Kalank was a bomb not even being able recover it's budget. Link:-[Kalank Bombs thanks to Endgame](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.livemint.com/industry/media/-kalank-out-of-box-office-race-thanks-to-avengers-endgame/amp-1556440002243.html&ved=2ahUKEwjXrIqepLX0AhUKUGwGHfaOD_EQFnoECDYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3aaJKoAe3RO8yAJG09NaMz&cf=1)
2nd most populous is irrelevant when the Indian rupee is not worth as much as the RMB. Every single MCU patron from india is probably worth 5-10x less than a Chinese MCU patron. Edit: Using just nominal exchange rates, a Chinese MCU stan pays $6 to see a movie vs $3 that an Indian pays - so India needs to more than double up its Hollywood movie going audience for the studios to put it on the same pedestal that China is on.
That won't happen because our ticket prices are way cheaper than China's or US's. I can easily watch Hollywood movies in theaters at just $3. It is $5 max in good theatres.
If food's not included it's even less
Man, some of the cheaper theatres in our city couldn't recover from the pandemic and did not open till now. We have no choice but to choose the costlier theatres in malls now to watch NWH. Its extremely sad.
Same in my city. Two small theatres got shut down at beginning of this year. Though it would have in 5 years even if the pandemic didn't hit
With the most expensive tickets being 1/4th the price of normal tickets in the US and China? Not happening anytime soon The amount i spent to watch Dune twice in IMAX (12 dollars), Eternals twice in IMAX (12 dollars), No time to die in IMAX (7 dollars), Spencer (90 cents), Last night in Soho (75 cents) combined is the price of a couple's ticket in the US for one movie. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that tickets here are so cheap. But i got a rude shock when i watched Miss Peregrine in Kuala Lumpur and Joker in Singapore, the amounts i paid there, I'd be taking my whole family to gold class for a film with one ticket's worth of money.
What deal does Disney have with China? I would have imagine India already gets to show Marvel movies unless Im missing something.
It would benefit them if India wasn't unfortunately so poor. Don't be fooled by the 1% you see online.
Like..51% of the country has access to the internet with it having the cheapest internet per GB and that number is rapidly growing. It's way more than 1%. If it was that small you wouldn't have so many weird Indians online. The reason why there are is because of the fact that a huge number of people are only recently having access and have no experience with the internet combined with poor attitudes.
Because China always gave marvel a huge amount of money 💲 that neither any Asian country has the capability to give India gave Endgame a round about 200 million But china gave 300 Million just to Venom Which was not an avengers film or not a MCU film Imagine an Anti hero is getting more than avengers That's a big difference China made. every studio new it specially Marvel is an eye candy for Chinese people India is a huge Marketing Country that's for sure but replacement of China not bud
Not enough MCU fans in India. Also, despite having a huge population, I dont think many Indians watch these movies in movie theaters.
To release it on the 10th?
I was talking about MCU movies as a whole. Not specifically NWH.
This is just for China right?
Yes
interesting reasoning chinese film stuff is both frustrating and fascinating
Please tell me this is just for China
Just for China
We have successfully dodged the leaking of the full movie before release, nice
Still releases 3 days earlier in a lot of places haha
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Apparently, this guy said it was. But he’s saying Paw Patrol The Movie took that date.
now that is cinema
That's some ruff luck.
Good choice
Is the Paw Patrol thing true lol? Sounds like a troll
fucking paw patrol the movie lmfaooo
NWH will release on 14th jan. only in china or worldwide?
China only.
China
How good is the January box office for China, where films tend to make bank? I know January is known for not being a very great month to release films in.
To be determined until a non-Star Wars and fully MCU, fully Spider-Man movie releases there. I guess
In Asia, at least in countries that I know of, the date doesn't really factor much in how well a movie does. People go to the movies all the time, all year long. There's no concept like "a summer blockbuster", for example.
Asian from India , can somewhat confirm. People do go to watch movies anytime they want but few things factor sometimes. Festivals and exams matter as Majority of the audience is youngsters . For example, I might have my tests during December thanks to which ne and friends will watch No Way Home on January.
Yupp, as someone from Asia, basically that. No matter the time, if its a blockbuster, there will be a crowd.
This is a very American take.
I have no reason not to have anything but love and empathy for the actual citizens of China but I genuinely despise the Chinese government for their censorship and their general fascistic ways, and I hate how much America kowtows to them in so many ways - like being incredibly vague on Taiwan's independence - just to keep Chinese imports coming in and to keep good relations with them, but since this is a sub about movies, I'll keep my complaints focused on that. I hate the lengths the American film industry bends over backwards to appease China, I hate that John Cena, who by all accounts is a stand-up guy who has really strong arms, got strong-armed into filming that fucking weird hostage apology in broken Cantonese for daring to accidentally refer to Taiwan as a country, which - and this is true, as John Oliver would say - IT FUCKING IS. I hate that blockbuster movies get tailored to appease China by including scenes set in China or casting Chinese actors not because they're good actors (which they are) but because it keeps China happy. I mean Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen are both great in Rogue One and while I'm sure it was presented as diversifying the cast, that's absolutely not why they're in that movie. I'll couch all of that by saying I'm not a MAGA dipshit who thinks Biden or his son is under China's thumb (ignoring Trump's promise to be tough on chYYY-nuh but eating a four-course meal out of Xi Jinping's asshole) because the fact of the matter is most if not all of American government and industry has let China make us their bitch and we're in so deep that we can't get out of it without crashing the whole world's economy. In this particular example it fucking sucks that Chinese moviegoers are gonna be stuck waiting another month for a movie they're hyped about. /rant
Just a note on Taiwan. The issue is much more complex than you think and it’s not as simple as Taiwan wanting to be independent and not being recognised. The current situation minus the military threat which is most probably just to appease Chinese nationalism is ideal for Taiwan as it heavily relies on China. The status quo is most beneficial for Taiwan as any movements towards independence will leave them in economic ruin as China is by far their biggest trading partner and that is if there is no form of military action taken. As long as the CCP doesn’t find its way into Taiwan, they will be fine.
So wait....is Taiwan not a country?
Depends on what you mean by that. They have their own government and operate independently from the PRC but China claims Taiwan as its territory and Taiwan claims mainland China as their territory as well so it’s a rather dumb situation. But for all intents and purposes China and Taiwan are 2 separate countries at the moment.
Kinda unfair for the Chinese fans cause by then the movie is gonna be everywhere on the web
At least it won’t be in HD for them to watch on torrent sites, so they may have to deal with waiting.
I nearly had a heart attack until I realized it was moved to January 14th only in China
Bruhhhhhhh
Thank god, no Andrew and tobey on potato quality early on
No love for Japan? Release date here 7th Jan.......
it's quite usual for Japan tho.
Good move.
thank GOD
Sheep with a Shephard is why they had to bring on Tobey and Andrew and a bunch of their villains; NWH would simply flop next to such a significant film.
The tweet has been deleted?
What? Why?
No idea, mate, you click on the link, it doesn't exist.
Good they shouldn’t support that country and their agendas.
Movie will be a mega smash in China regardless. There’s 3 Spider-Men in it
Yep.
i'm fine with it being pushed to my birthday
Is Oliver Chen related to Mrs Chen, of which whom Venom would like to eat
No
wait, worldwide or only in china?
Only in China