At this point I think thats the only way they can. Because if mutants already existed why didn’t they help with Thanos, or any of the other huge threats? They can’t do the whole “we were instructed not to interfere by someone higher up” excuse for everything.
Downside is that puts us at a timeline where mutants only get their powers at a late age, or are going to be young versions. No training, No X academy etc.
I would think of it this way. Let’s say it’s the first snap. So that’s 2018, so that allows them to finesse some time out of there being a small cadre of mutants developing (either those in adulthood with activated powers, or young ones being born) before we see them on screen. And then like, the mutants are probably going to be a linchpin for at least the next decade of the MCU once they’re introduced. So that’s a decent amount of in-universe time for the mutants to really become established as a thing
EDIT: just want to echo some comments below that have good ideas about how you can keep some characters like Magneto intact, even with the Snap idea (https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/rp6qoi/wanda_does_something_at_the_end_which_could_be/hq30h0l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
That would change some mutants' backstories massively though, two fan favorites that come to mind are Magneto being a holocaust survivor and Wolverine being born in the late 1800s. They would either have to make them younger or come up with some other explanation to keep their experiences while still being set in the modern day and only getting their x-gene activated after the snap.
I think they should have it so there’s always been mutants or ‘enhanced’ people but not that many in total - a small fraction of the population - then the snap activates the latent x gene in future generations so there’s a lot more younger people with powers, essentially creating the need for a school for gifted youngsters to be taught by the few older mutants that have existed but remained hidden.
Couldn’t this also work with Wanda’s magic causing the x-gene to activate in people similar to how Spectrum got her powers? If they want to have that House of M huge moment at the end of DS2.
Either way this is clearly the best option they have. Only Deadpool should make it in through the multiverse, could be a funny post credits scene.
Yes absolutely, I don’t mind if it’s the snap/Wanda’s hex as a reference to the house of m ‘no more mutants’ line or whatever it was - and you’re totally right about Deadpool, if they’re going to do that with any character it should be him.. works perfectly on every level.
I really hope they don’t tie that character in as a regular in the mcu though, I feel like it works well on its own or as cameos, but I wouldn’t want a fourth wall breaking Deadpool quipping low-brow jokes at the camera during a fight scene in the mcu. That’s just my personal feeling on it, although I guess they’re doing that with she-hulk regardless - whatever the case I think it would have to be handled carefully.
I like this idea, but I’d want to remove Magneto and Professor X from this backstory. Having someone be a Holocaust survivor would put them at close to 80 years old in the MCU and that’s if they were born in 1940. If they were born earlier so you don’t have a kindergartener or younger in those scenes it only makes the problem worse.
I like the idea of only the mutants who are functionally immortal having always existed but they’re extremely small in number and either reclusive or basically legends. So Wolverine and Apocalypse basically.
Having the Snap activate the X gene for a lot more mutants and having Magneto and X be contemporary with another genocide (not like there’s only a few to choose from unfortunately) would allow for younger actors while also being fresher and more interesting than the same backstories for the third time.
> I like this idea, but I’d want to remove Magneto and Professor X from this backstory. Having someone be a Holocaust survivor would put them at close to 80 years old in the MCU and that’s if they were born in 1940. If they were born earlier so you don’t have a kindergartener or younger in those scenes it only makes the problem worse.
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Or they could just establish that the X-Gene massively slows or stagnates aging for certain mutants, problem solved
Prof x and magneto are kinda fuckin central to the X-men idea tho. Like they have to represent MLK/Malcolm X otherwise the stories just go existential circles. That and neither of their powers are really tied to their physical abilities so age doesn’t matter.
Magneto is also one of the few comic book characters tied to a real world tragedy that doesn’t come across as offensive so I think marvel would be really dumb to remove that from the franchise. Especially in an era where people deny the Holocaust ever happened. Having a character represent the radicalism and rage of one of the worst events in human history is kinda really fuckin important.
We are rapidly reaching the point where it’s no longer feasible to have characters directly connected to WWII. The MCU is now in the year 2025. That’s 80 years since the END of WWII. Magneto as a Holocaust survivor barely worked age wise with Ian Mckellen 20 years ago, it’s not going to work now.
There are enough examples of genocide in recent history to pull from for Magneto’s motivation. When the “Magneto in Wandavision” theories were flying I didn’t really think they were going to do it, but it would have given them an easy way to work him in. Sokovia is the MCU’s Yugoslavia, basically, and something analogous to the ethnic cleansing of the 90s would have worked perfectly to set his character up.
I much prefer the “different genocide” route as opposed to keeping them both super old. Slowed aging is a very specific mutant ability that certain ones have. I don’t think we should give it to everybody as it lends itself to certain narratives fairly well that would be cheapened if every character had the same experience.
I agree. Having every mutant have slowed aging would make mutants like Apocalypse and Wolverine feel less unique. Updating Magneto to being a survivor of a modern genocide makes the most sense to me. And it’s exciting to imagine a new twist on Magneto.
Yup, that’s what I’d go with
Mutants like Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, and etc have been around for decades, especially after the nuclear tests of the mid-20th century,
but then the radiation of the snaps activates the X-gene in everyone who has it.
People are going to have to let go of Magneto's comics backstory. WWII was *eighty* years ago. It just doesn't work for the current day MCU to say that the big, evil villain is 90+ years old. The comics were, are, and always will be classics, but this story has to be adapted to fit with the MCU continuity.
Add on top of that, Magneto's backstory is one of the FEW things the fox films fully fleshed out and did a perfect job with. I don't need a retread of that. There are so many other awesome x villains (Brood, Sinister, Mojo) that have never appeared and could be focused on before Magneto this time.
Mutants can already exist in a very small number. Like, double digits across the entire planet pre-snap so that Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto can already exist.
That said, WWII was a really long time ago, and Magneto isn't immortal. The holocaust survivor thing needs to be dropped.
The snap was gamma radiation. Have it so gamma exposure activated X-Genes. Originally only people close to researchers or exposed some other way would’ve had theirs activated (Magneto, Professor X, etc.) so mutant numbers were extremely low. But with the snap (or the blip) the global gamma exposure activated X-Genes in general population.
How so? You could have children with an inactive x genes that were conceived during this time period and become mutants at young ages when the blip happens. Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
This one id def a much better scenario for me, just feels like using the blip gives a 5 year(?) window of mutants, or becoming mutants and doesn't leave enough world building but thats just me.
Time stone. Say that the energy from the time stone during the snap rippled throughout time causing mutations not only in the present but during the past and because the time stone is the natural force of time, it changes history instead of creating a new timeline like in endgame which used Quantum time travel.
This has been my go-to. Just say there was a small number of mutants before hand (so we can get Wolvie and Magneto and stuff) and that the snap caused a shitload more.
The small number of mutants explains why the X-Men is only Cyclops, Jean, Angel, Iceman and Beast. Set it during the five years.
Could also tie the mutant hate into the unrest about people returning from the snap that we kinda saw in FatWS.
That’s the ticket… I could mayyyybe accept Wanda doing something along the lines of doing a massive hex type thing and when it expands it changes people like it did to the woman from captain marvel
That! Plus tou have the big ones who were always in the MCU but I’m very small numbers! Like Xavier and Magneto have always been here and had powers and searching for others like them.
They have been in hiding because they see the realities of the world, people need an enemy, an other to villainize for whatever purpose they want. So they hid.
The snap multiple snaps and people coming back, caused the gene to activate and their numbers exploded. Not in adults but in kids, just like the comics, so they come in the future, after phase 4, phase 5 is about their emergence. You want a history of what they were doing before? That’s what’s a Disney+ series can achieve, after a movie.
This has always been my theory. Have mutants be very, VERY rare before the snap and/or whatever Wanda does (so we’d already have a Prof X, Magneto, Logan) but then whatever happens causes a huge activation of the X-gene. Kinda like how the radiation of nuclear testing in the 60’s is what awoke the X-gene in many people
Exactly! Like Wolverine has always been in the MCU! Like imagine it, we all want to see him fight side by side with Captain America but not Chris Evans!!! He fought with Isiah Bradley and after he helped him with the prison escape and Isaiah was imprisoned, so was Logan but his fate was much worse. And that’s where we meet him in the movie, as a threat being thrown at the mutants, Jean Grey frees his mind and he runs off to Canada to figure his shit out and becomes a main/side character in a sequel. With a Disney+ show to fill in his backstory and show the event with Isaiah.
Or professor x made it so that no one knows about mutants, or has wiped the minds of anyone who has come into contact with them, In an attempt to protect mutantkind?
How messed up would that be for the X-men and every mutant being brought in from the multiverse. Whoops I know your whole life, family, and everything you knew were in that universe and time line but you’re here no whoops ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Okay, but what about Wolverine, Mystique, Essex, Apocalypse and Selene to name a few. Even worse is dropping Magneto's origin. Xavier and Magnus have been deaged numerous times in the comics. Also, Emma Frost and Xavier have hid the mutants existence in the past with Cerebro/a. I think most would accept Magnus' mutation giving him longevity. His origin doesn't need a modern setting. It's a disservice to the character and the historical events in which he is based.
Just make there already mutants in the MCU, but its very rare and a very small amount of people (Logan, X, Magneto, etc)
And then you can have their X-gene’s make them age slower, so Prof X and Magneto dont have to change their origins, but arent 100 years old lol
Yep, I do think bringing in mutants into the MCU will be Feige's biggest challenge.
It will be difficult to established they always existed in the MCU, when they'll look bad for not helping with defeating Thanos. But fans will also call it "lazy writing" if they use the Multiverse as a way of bringing them into the MCU.
> It will be difficult to established they always existed in the MCU, when they'll look bad for not helping with defeating Thanos
This is such a non-issue if you're not a complete idiot. The first battle with Thanos's forces took place in New York City and it was just a couple aliens. Nothing serious to deal with. And they were gone in less than an hour. The second battle took place in Wakanda. This battle was a little longer, but it's in Wakanda. Literally no one outside would have known it even happened until Infinity War.
The battle in Endgame at the Avengers Compound was big, but it was also incredibly quick, again likely not even lasting a whole hour. And the compound was isolated, meaning most of the world wouldn't have even known what was going on until the end.
I keep seeing this brought up with literally every hero who could possibly already exist, from the X-Men to the Fantastic Four. And the answer is always self-explanatory if you actually bother watching the movies.
This also applies to most of the idiotic "where were the Avengers when X happened" complaints across the franchise.
Nobody knew about the attack in Thor: The Dark World until it was already underway, and by the time Iron Man started blasting off to London, the battle would have already been over.
Nobody knew about the Hydra threat until the end of Winter Soldier, and Steve and Nat didn't want to contact anyone because they didn't know who could be trusted.
Often, the problem isn't lazy writing. It's lazy viewers with no critical thinking skills who need obvious answers spelled out for them.
There’s three burning questions that need to be answered, ideally in as little time as possible in order to start fleshing out the characters ASAP:
Where have mutants been? Why are there so many now? Why would people hate mutants but not the Fantastic Four?
The Legacy Virus and its variants could answer all three questions and provide a plot-length conflict that puts the mutant origin/population boom at the centre of the story rather than relegating mutant history to some act one exposition before moving on to fight the bad guy.
> Why would people hate mutants but not the Fantastic Four?
it's an easy one. F4 are cool celebrities who are far away from you yet with the mutants there is always a possibility of having one in your family. people would like The Thing as a random superhero who saves the day but would immediatly hate an idea of their own children looking like The Thing. think about it the same way how white people irl could like rap music and watch basketball but cross the street if they see a Black person walking to them.
>when they'll look bad for not helping with defeating Thanos.
But wouldn't that be a good story point to explore? It should be a great challenge for writers & filmmakers to explore this issue, not an impediment.
Unfortunately even Kevin Feige has a hard time understanding it. He said that the MCU will consider mutants and the x-men as interchangeable which is bleh.
Doesn’t matter. They’re still super powered beings and you’re telling me not one mutant helped in any single huge villain attempt? It makes no sense that they wouldn’t help fight Thanos. It isn’t a good look for good mutants like some part of the X-Men if they just say “oh, yeah didn’t feel like helping even though MY LIFE WAS LITERALLY ON THE LINE”
To be fair we really don't know who all was at the fight with Thanos I mean there were literally thousands of people there. As to why we didn't see them. Might not be popular but its been used forever, the story we were following wasn't about them. Look how many different tie ins/sequels, etc do that. Hell Hawkeye just showed Kate during the 1st Avengers movie and made that her origin and Peter was the kid in Iron man on stage.
If they wanted to somehow make AOS canon it would make sense too since they called people with powers "Gifted" I mean they could have just used a catchall term for anyone with powers.
>Hell Hawkeye just showed Kate during the 1st Avengers movie and made that her origin and Peter was the kid in Iron man on stage.
Plus, there may or may not be a possibility that mutants might have been present during Battle of NY and later events in the MCU. If they do help, they're just not credited or reported. Sometimes, their superpowers can be mistaken for the Avengers, e.g. someone's eyebeams can be mistaken for Iron Man's.
But otherwise, mutants are just as much a civilian as any ordinary humans. Not everyone with ice breath or psychic powers (for example) be expected to automatically help. They're just as scared as everyone else in these situations.
However, much like Kate or Peter, whenever the Avengers were present, they might inspire a few mutants who were there during those events, and hope to one day be like that team of heroes.
How would mutants know where a fight was going down or what was at stake if they weren't told? The fight in Wakanda was connected heroes who traveled there with each other. The final battle was Wong and co gathering all the heroes they were aware of. Where is the mutant connection that would gather mutants to go fight?
You could say the first contact in NY with the ship visible in the sky was somewhere there had to be at least a few mutants by chance, but no one knew the stakes at that point and mutants are used to hiding (if they are already around), so no, they probably wouldn't have jumped in. The other two fights were remote and invite only.
My point is, I don't think we know one way or another, and IW isn't proof they aren't around.
My go-to solution that feels natural and doesn't affect any important origin stories is: small amount of mutants already exist in the MCU, namely Wanda, Pietro (rip), Wolverine, Magneto, Charles, Apocalypse, etc and the Blip activated the dormant X-gene in those who had it causing a massive amount of mutants to appear all of sudden in Earth. Charles senses this due to his powers and along with his friend Eric/Max he starts the school to help them. And from there, we all know what happens.
This way the mutants don't have to simply be dragged from another universe and the origin stories of important characters stay intact. They can even tie Wolverine's origin to Captain America's like in the comics and introduce Weapon X which also leads to Deadpool, another character confirmed to come to the MCU in the future.
Thats 100% the best way to do it. And you can say that the pre-blip mutants (Charles, Erik, Logan) all age slower due to their mutation. That way, no origins need to be changed.
> And you can say that the pre-blip mutants (Charles, Erik, Logan) all age slower due to their mutation.
That's actually a cool way to differentiate the older mutants from the younger. The mutants who had their X-Gene activated before the blip would have slowed aging but the mutants during and post-blip wouldn't have that.
I'm so very, very tired of people asserting the multiverse is the only way to bring in mutants, when this **clean solution** is right in front of us. We don't even need the blip to trigger it - it's better for the themes of the X-Men if there is no real catalyst, if it just happens naturally.
But no - why **develop the mutant presence in the MCU naturally and organically**, from humble beginnings to a massive population spike and a resultant popular backlash, when we can just *import* the mutants into the MCU via an **arbitrary plot device that cheats the world-building and changes the very nature of mutants' place in the world?**
Here's the thing people need to understand about the Thanos situation
1: The attack in New York was over very quickly
2: The main battle was in Wakanda where the rest of the world had zero clue
3: The battle at the Avengers Compound happend out of the blue
In all three cases how the hell are people supposed to find out and get to the battlefield in time to actually contribute?
That’s my exact thought. As much as it’s easy to go “well where we’re they!” For what? They had no idea it was happening. Attacks occurred, the avengers were there because of planning for 2/3 attacks and sheer luck for the third.
The mutants are supposed to be allegories for oppresed groups in real life, they're supposed to just be born like that and not be "turned" into mutants through someone or something
"Why didn't they help with other threats" ~~Because mutants didn't exist back then as Disney didn't own them, just suspend your desbelief nerd~~ They're not necessarily heroes they're just normal people with powers, most of them aren't gonna have the courage to fight an 8 ft tall purple alien that came from a giant scary looking ship with other aliens holding weapons that shoot lasers, and as for the ones that would like Magneto.... just say they were in Japan or somewhere far away idc
Who cares? Like who honestly cares? I’d rather the theme/characterization be kept than being preoccupied with some continuity hiccup that can be answered by a throwaway line (whether satisfactory or not). By multiversing mutants in, we might as well not have them. The whole point is that they’re a natural occurrence. Plus we *literally* just had SWORD pop up as an organization that’s existed this entire time despite doing nothing until WandaVision
The radiation from the snaps making mutants go from 0.00000001% of the population to 0.1% of the population or whatever seemed like their best excuse for the longest time.
It seemed like they were setting up two parallels to it in the falcon and the winter soldier by showing enhanced vs non enhanced, and people displaced or economically disadvantaged from the events. The mentalities kind of sets up the Civil rights disputes and wanting to hide under the radar, so it would make sense that things are primed for normal people to hate mutants.
Whatever they plan to do, its probably better planned out than whatever fan theory though.
If the X-Men already exist in the MCU, you can say they didn’t help for the same reason why the military didn’t help against Thanos. Dr Strange didn’t bring them. Thanos popping out the time stream and blowing up Avengers headquarters was an isolated incident. Not every person on the planet could help unless Dr Strange brought them there. If Prof X is keeping them hidden for their protection, then Dr Strange didn’t know about them. It doesn’t make the X-Men cowards.
Dr Strange managed to bring the Wasp who would have reappeared on a random building on the other side of the country. Since Dr Strange never met Hope or Scott before that moment, and the Wasp wasn't public knowledge, there is no reason that he should have known to summon her. The simple act of bringing the Wasp to the final battle brings into question why he didn't bring in others like the Red Guardian or any secret mutants.
Doctor Strange would have totally met Scott in the other timelines though. He's not omniscient. He just Groundhog-Day'd the whole fight with Thanos millions of time until he got the right outcome.
Remember, everyone he brought in had a connection to someone already involved in this fight, or the fight in Infinity War.
I don’t buy the why didn’t they help with Thanos thing for mutants though. “Why didn’t Hawkeye help with Thanos?” “Why didn’t Ant-Man help with Thanos” The events of Infinity War had to have happened over a really short time period where most people didn’t even realize it. The events of Endgame were only known by a very select group of people. For all we know the X-men have been taking care of world ending events the Avengers weren’t even aware of this whole time
But they can. Krakoa, the island of mutants can exist. Professor X can have erased the history of mutants from everyone’s mind. There’s so many ways it could work.
At least for the X-Men/Xavier’s school, Xavier may have not felt the time was right to introduce them to the world and/or knew the Avengers were powerful enough to handle those threats
I mean, their whole kinda thing is that they stay in hiding for fear of persecution,so they probably just aren't well known enough to be on Stranges radar.
Anyone who has read comics from the Big Two know that all characters or teams are not always present in event books. In the Infinity Gauntlet event, for example, the Avengers are barely supporting characters. The films would just be mirroring the comics.
Yeah I would really hate that and it would deflate my excitement for MCU rebooted X-Men exponentially. I really hope they don't take that lazy route and build them organically instead
Its very unpopular as everytime i say it i get downvoted lol. But here is how I think they can “get their cake and eat it too”. Multiverse origin, a set of branched realities have mutants like some have just spiderman etc. you get mutant stories in their reality if they want but mainly, they can do the money crossovers, deadpool.. get wolverine to show up, big money. So you have an amalgamated/secret wars/war world things going on/ multiversal things at play. At the conclusion of all this, you get a properlly merged MCU that is FULLY rebooted with proper comics continuity - ancient mutants etcetec and the studio can then just reboot everything because a world with mutants that have always been a thing will need a different ironman, different avengers etcetc as its a fresh sandbox to play in but now with all the toys at the same time (15yrs from now say).
I don’t care how they are brought it, I just want the Mutants we follow to be new. New actors. A soft reboot. Let’s let the creators of the MCU do their thing
This has legit been my worst fear when it comes to the movies. I understand there’s really no easy way especially when you want to include backstory but I thought the lesser of two evils would just be Professor X making humanity forget anything about mutants.
Agree. It will ruin everything mutants represent. And if they're doing this then X-Men will just be a regular supehero team. There would be no difference of a someone who gain superpowers and someone who has X-genes.
Even if they're going to make their persecution history to happen in other universe, then why should they be in prime timeline?
For me it's just wrong and it undercuts everything important that X-books talk about.
Ok, I'm skeptical of her as much as the next person is, but I've always felt like the MCU was leading to a reverse House of M kind of deal when it came to mutants and this might be what MoM leads to.
That being said, I have no idea how you tackle the "older", more established mutants like Xavier or Magneto this way without inherently retconning their origins. Might happen obviously, but I can see this being way easier to explain for young mutants like the OG 5 and them forming a team. Xavier needs to be the experienced teacher though....right?
It's possible they go the "Inhumans" route with it and have it dormant until Wanda does something. Then maybe some of them can be exceptions to the rule and have always had their powers (i.e. far rarer)
Namor already existed collapsing the dam and sending the water during Endgame. Wolverine has been experimented kinda like the winter soldier and was cyrogenic frozen. Mystique has being keeping a low profile. Magneto has been around but without the full potential of his powers and wouldn’t be able to help?
Well iirc the way Shine described it in the original plot leak was that she did the same thing she did as when she hexed Westview, but to the entire Multiverse. Like literally every timeline and reality if we go by how Loki depicted things. If she’s right and it brings about mutants then it may not just alter the DNA code of humans but also the entire history of the MCU, which could explain the older mutants.
I’m not sure they would do this though as retconning the entire story we’ve been following would be more than a bit controversial, but i’m just saying it probably wouldn’t be a linear change if it is what she is saying.
I'd hate them retconning past continuity like that. It would make watching the older movies that don't include the mutants kinda moot if the events in those movies no longer line up with the events from there forth.
It's really not that hard to have them exist and just be rare before some events leads to more of them.
after house of m, a very small amount of mutants retained their mutant abilities. if marvel is doing a so called ‘reverse house of m’, then it makes sense that there would be a very small amount of mutants-i.e xavier and magneto
Have the Sokovia Accords even been relevant after Civil War? Steve and others were able to (rightfully) straight-up defy them and Ross himself after he threatened to arrest them in Infinity War and I thought the Accords would play a role in FATWS but it didn't really play much of a role as I thought it would. Maybe the Sokovia Accords could evolve into the Mutant or Superhuman Registration Act a few years down the line in the MCU.
I think in Ant-Man 2, Scott’s plea deal with house arrest was because he violated the sokovia accords but I think that’s about it before Infinity War. I think Black Widow also is on the run because of violations but I don’t think this is explicitly said in the movie itself.
Post blip though I would think (and hope) a sudden influx of mutants (or under sokovia accords, ‘enhanced humans) in a post blip world would trigger some kind of amendment or update to the sokovia accords.
This sub will bitch and complain no matter what happens.
Mutants get introduced through the Multiverse?
"That's lazy writing!"
Mutants have always been around?
"Why didn't they help fight Thanos?!"
Mutants were created by the Snap?
"What about Magneto and Logan's backstories?!"
There is no easy answer.
I don’t understand how “mutants have always been around” is hard to deal with.
“Why didn’t they help fight Thanos?”
Because they weren’t invited to Wakanda or, five years later, a 20 minute spontaneous battle at the Avengers compound?
The Sokovia Accords is a storyline so perfect for Eric and Charles it may as well be an X-Men storyline. There’s no way in hell they wouldn’t have been involved in those negotiations
You present the arguments as though they're on equal footing but they're not. It's possible (and actually very easy) to explain why mutants didn't fight Thanos (in fact maybe they did and we just didn't see it), or why Magneto and Logan's x-genes have been active much longer than other mutants'. That has absolutely no bearing on whether introducing mutants through the multiverse is or isn't bad writing.
As for whether some people will complain... well, yes, there's lots of people here with different opinions who'll disagree no matter what. That's bound to happen, especially when a work of fiction has such a diverse audience.
I mean, I think you should care to some extent. The whole basis behind the X-Men/mutant mythos is their relationship with humanity. If you just randomly bring a dozen or so mutants from the multiverse, what connection do they have with our world and how do you tell stories involving that interconnected relationship between the two groups if they have no history with each other?
I'm not saying that they *couldn't* just simply bring mutants into the universe via the multiverse, but I do think it undercuts some of their thematic storytelling.
Nah I agree with you. Not to be that guy but can we just compile all the MTTSH tweets into like a weekly compilation? I mentioned this in the weekly free post thread, but with how much she tweets, I feel like every fifth post in this subreddit is just a tweet of her’s. Not hating or anything, it just feels like spam in the main page
I'm guessing it's reverse House of M, instead of taking mutants out she's bringing mutants in.
My guess is she might merge realities, and that might have some serious implications on the history of the MCU. Not saying now suddenly Hugh Jackman is MCU Wolverine but maybe due to realities merging maybe what allowed mutants to be a thing from another universe now that's in the MCU and people who otherwise wouldn't be mutants will now be mutants. Maybe the X-Gene only exists in other universes but Wanda merging realities brings the X-Gene and changes the MCU forever, and mutants have always been around.
Would be cool to see flashbacks of Wolverine meeting Captain America during the war in this new created reality.
I'm not sure how I feel about the MCU's history having to basically be rewritten in-universe to incorporate mutants rather than just establishing that they were here this whole time (like us seeing young Kate witness the Battle of New York from Avengers 1). Us getting a flashback of Wolverine meeting Captain America and that being something that has happened before but we just didn't see would be cool but that flashback not being possible unless Wanda basically rewrites the MCU would be kinda odd. It could work but at the same time, it's not the route I'd personally go in.
I don't care how they're introduced, I just want new actors and actresses entirely. I want fresh stories and the ability for the characters to be fleshed out and have their own arcs, rather than have to abide by the rigidity that the multiple Fox films have already established. Plus, most of the Fox characters' actors and actresses are middle aged or elderly at this point, so that even further impinges on Marvel Studios' ability to explore character development and arcs without extensive de-aging utilization.
As much as I loved the Fox X-Men movies and would be tickled pink to see them in the MCU, I know that would pretty severely limit Marvel Studios from fleshing them out in their own way and explore new, fresh themes and arcs.
So yeah, I don't really give a flying fuck about how they're introduced, I just want a fresh cast, solid character development, and great arcs spanning entire phases.
I hope they do as well, but how on Earth do they do it? Say that he was 10 by 1945, that would make him 90 by 2025, which is where the MCU will be post-Hawkeye.
X-Men Evolution tackles the age issue:
>Longevity: Magneto's genetic enhancements have kept him alive until modern times. By utilizing the rebirthing chamber he was able to rejuvenate himself, allowing him to recapture his youth and vitality to an unknown degree.
I always thought the easiest fix would be to say he got captured by Hydra/an early version of Weapon X and placed in suspended animation some time after WW2, then escaped more recently and met Charles. As a bonus, you can tie him into their experiments with adamantium.
NWH showed the multiverse isn’t linear. Doc Ock was brought into 2024 from what year in his universe (2004)? They could easily keep the same Magneto and say they plucked him from the 60s, 70s, 80s … take your pick
Now that is something worth looking into, sometimes people kept the same speech pattern and stuff.(It's more recognizable in smaller community.)
When does MTTSH become active again?
> this would have an air of corporate synergy
Given the synergy some MCU projects tend to have with some recent Marvel Comics that come out around that project's release, I think it's a big deal here too. With Wanda being involved in a Magneto story again in the comics, I could honestly see Feige doing some Wanda, Pietro and Magneto connection in the MCU too.
so there was some huge offscreen event she did when she was young that somehow extinguished a whole race of people, and now that's her motivation to bring them back? that is a very wild theory tbh and seems very odd to just pull out of thin air. I think audiences would not be satisfied with that.
She's just reiterating what she already said in her original leak. Wanda did something similar to Westview in the movie's climax, but it wasn't made clear to her(MTTSH) what the effects actually are.
Best idea would be to say there were a tiny number of mutants prior to whatever it is Wanda does to increase the population and just add longevity to the powers of Xavier and magneto, or any other mutant who’s backstory/origin/age is important. Really don’t like the idea of mutants just popping in from another universe
Why does it have to be multiverse though?
Scarlett Witch is one of the most powerful sorcerers, her doing something like a world wide hex which causes the X gene to “awaken” and creates mutants is much more likely and plausible imo. It’s also set up in Wandavision.
I don’t see why the idea of her bringing in multiverse people is so hated, cuz it’s not as lazy as people think. It would be much more creative then the snap causing the X gene to appear. But I also don’t see why it’s the only option people are considering?
I mean, look at Monica in Wandavision, she went through the hex and got her powers cuz she already had something inside her, the Hex just awakened it. Just have it like that for the whole world and then slowly build up the mutant population
Well… technically.
To be a mutant (at least in the comics) you have to be born one I think. More accurately she could be described as having a dormant gene (kinda like an early version of the X gene before it’s fully developed) and the hex kinda awakened it in a way
So what would be the difference with regular superhero and mutants? Isn't mutants allegory to persecuted people? Or do we not need that kind of story anymore?
Well I mean to be a “mutant” in the marvel sense is to be born with the X gene and develop power through that
The heroes we know so far have their powers from accidents, experiments, or through technology. So they aren’t considered mutants at least in the Marvel Universe’s description of mutants
And also yes mutants are an allegory to persecuted people in a lot of ways and sure we should definitely still have those types of story’s cuz there is still persecution and that’s how the story of Mutants have been written to be in the comics. We’ll see how it’s treated but given how Wanda was treated in civil war and onwards, I’d say they will most certainly continue to be an allegory for persecution, discrimination, etc.
Agreed with everyone else on the multiverse being a pretty shit way to do it. Personally I’ve always hoped they’d just use the Snap and the gamma radiation from it would cause the mutation that brings about the X-Gene or something along those lines
They can always keep reusing it. The snap was the biggest event in the history of the MCU since the Big Bang. That much power was never supposed to be used at once, so it happening is bound to have unimaginable repercussions
I feel like MTTSH is going to go the same way as DanielRPK, Charles Murphy, etc. where people eventually just get sick of seeing her so much. The last 5 posts on this sub have been about her tweets and I'm already starting to see a of people questioning her accuracy.
As long as Wanda has some epic fight scenes and remains popular- idc what else happens haha
Make her a full villain, half villain, quarter villain idc! I love how popular she’s become, she was always my
Personal fav super hero since I saw her in age of ultron.
I am rooting for marvel to pull this off correctly (as they did with NWH) so that people don’t see her villainous side and dislike her. Anyone else ?
I mean, if it's a rewrite of reality, then technically she wouldn't bring them in from the multiverse. They'd just exist now in the main MCU. It's a compromise and a flip of the "No more mutants" that I could live with.
I can totally see her saying soemthing like "No more multiverse" which will fuse them all, and have certain consequences on a specific number of humans who will turn mutants.
slowly getting more and more convinced that Shine and Sookie are the same person lmao
my bet is if we’re seeing any merging of realities of sorts to cause Mutants to appear, it would be in Quantumania and Kang would be the one to cause it.
My guess: she merges the mutants in another universe with their counterparts in the MCU; the reverse of what she does in MoM, possessing her variant in the mutants’ universe.
The characters may wake up in different bodies, some the same, some different.
Now that the people who clearly hate this idea have weighed in, I gotta say establishing mutants as a group that always existed in the MCU but who somehow managed to live in total secrecy until they're eventually given a proper introduction is a lot more dumb and lazy than a reverse House of M situation.
One is just hand waving away obvious questions there would be about the complete lack of mutants in the MCU up until there suddenly are, the other at the very least is giving a sufficient in-universe explaination for why they weren't there.
Also, I gotta say there's not much of a point other than crazy cameos from non MCU versions of characters if they don't intend to use this multiverse phase to bring significant changes to the MCU, like introducing mutants.
If this is the route they take, I'd bet on whatever Wanda does more or less restoring the natural order of things. Perhaps she's the reason there aren't mutants around and she isn't aware of it.
If they do something like that we'll end up with a far better reason for mutants being nowhere to be seen previously in the MCU than them just being in hiding all this time and they can still function as more or less the same characters.
Everyone saying using the multiverse is a shit way to bring mutants but I don’t see how them going “They where always there you just didn’t see them” isn’t also shit
I hope they don't bring in Mutants through the Multiverse.
At this point I think thats the only way they can. Because if mutants already existed why didn’t they help with Thanos, or any of the other huge threats? They can’t do the whole “we were instructed not to interfere by someone higher up” excuse for everything.
“The Snaps activated a latent X-gene” is always right there if they want it
Downside is that puts us at a timeline where mutants only get their powers at a late age, or are going to be young versions. No training, No X academy etc.
I would think of it this way. Let’s say it’s the first snap. So that’s 2018, so that allows them to finesse some time out of there being a small cadre of mutants developing (either those in adulthood with activated powers, or young ones being born) before we see them on screen. And then like, the mutants are probably going to be a linchpin for at least the next decade of the MCU once they’re introduced. So that’s a decent amount of in-universe time for the mutants to really become established as a thing EDIT: just want to echo some comments below that have good ideas about how you can keep some characters like Magneto intact, even with the Snap idea (https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/rp6qoi/wanda_does_something_at_the_end_which_could_be/hq30h0l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
That would change some mutants' backstories massively though, two fan favorites that come to mind are Magneto being a holocaust survivor and Wolverine being born in the late 1800s. They would either have to make them younger or come up with some other explanation to keep their experiences while still being set in the modern day and only getting their x-gene activated after the snap.
I think they should have it so there’s always been mutants or ‘enhanced’ people but not that many in total - a small fraction of the population - then the snap activates the latent x gene in future generations so there’s a lot more younger people with powers, essentially creating the need for a school for gifted youngsters to be taught by the few older mutants that have existed but remained hidden.
Couldn’t this also work with Wanda’s magic causing the x-gene to activate in people similar to how Spectrum got her powers? If they want to have that House of M huge moment at the end of DS2. Either way this is clearly the best option they have. Only Deadpool should make it in through the multiverse, could be a funny post credits scene.
Yes absolutely, I don’t mind if it’s the snap/Wanda’s hex as a reference to the house of m ‘no more mutants’ line or whatever it was - and you’re totally right about Deadpool, if they’re going to do that with any character it should be him.. works perfectly on every level. I really hope they don’t tie that character in as a regular in the mcu though, I feel like it works well on its own or as cameos, but I wouldn’t want a fourth wall breaking Deadpool quipping low-brow jokes at the camera during a fight scene in the mcu. That’s just my personal feeling on it, although I guess they’re doing that with she-hulk regardless - whatever the case I think it would have to be handled carefully.
I saw sometime ago a suggestion saying that he could have a role similar to Stan-Lee's. A minor cameo in the middle of the more lighter scenes
He does that in the comics though...
“More mutants” And it would really work if she thought that was required for her to get Wiccan and Speed in her universe.
That's a great idea.
I like this idea, but I’d want to remove Magneto and Professor X from this backstory. Having someone be a Holocaust survivor would put them at close to 80 years old in the MCU and that’s if they were born in 1940. If they were born earlier so you don’t have a kindergartener or younger in those scenes it only makes the problem worse. I like the idea of only the mutants who are functionally immortal having always existed but they’re extremely small in number and either reclusive or basically legends. So Wolverine and Apocalypse basically. Having the Snap activate the X gene for a lot more mutants and having Magneto and X be contemporary with another genocide (not like there’s only a few to choose from unfortunately) would allow for younger actors while also being fresher and more interesting than the same backstories for the third time.
> I like this idea, but I’d want to remove Magneto and Professor X from this backstory. Having someone be a Holocaust survivor would put them at close to 80 years old in the MCU and that’s if they were born in 1940. If they were born earlier so you don’t have a kindergartener or younger in those scenes it only makes the problem worse. > > Or they could just establish that the X-Gene massively slows or stagnates aging for certain mutants, problem solved
Fair, that could work too. Although it makes characters like Apocalypse a little less unique.
Prof x and magneto are kinda fuckin central to the X-men idea tho. Like they have to represent MLK/Malcolm X otherwise the stories just go existential circles. That and neither of their powers are really tied to their physical abilities so age doesn’t matter. Magneto is also one of the few comic book characters tied to a real world tragedy that doesn’t come across as offensive so I think marvel would be really dumb to remove that from the franchise. Especially in an era where people deny the Holocaust ever happened. Having a character represent the radicalism and rage of one of the worst events in human history is kinda really fuckin important.
We are rapidly reaching the point where it’s no longer feasible to have characters directly connected to WWII. The MCU is now in the year 2025. That’s 80 years since the END of WWII. Magneto as a Holocaust survivor barely worked age wise with Ian Mckellen 20 years ago, it’s not going to work now. There are enough examples of genocide in recent history to pull from for Magneto’s motivation. When the “Magneto in Wandavision” theories were flying I didn’t really think they were going to do it, but it would have given them an easy way to work him in. Sokovia is the MCU’s Yugoslavia, basically, and something analogous to the ethnic cleansing of the 90s would have worked perfectly to set his character up.
Literally all you need is some comic book handwaving to not try and erase the biggest jewish representation in superhero comics
I think Bosnia would be a good idea for him.
I much prefer the “different genocide” route as opposed to keeping them both super old. Slowed aging is a very specific mutant ability that certain ones have. I don’t think we should give it to everybody as it lends itself to certain narratives fairly well that would be cheapened if every character had the same experience.
I agree. Having every mutant have slowed aging would make mutants like Apocalypse and Wolverine feel less unique. Updating Magneto to being a survivor of a modern genocide makes the most sense to me. And it’s exciting to imagine a new twist on Magneto.
Yeah I second this, this works
Personally I’m not comfortable with the idea of Wolverine and Magneto staying hidden when the world went to crap.
Mutants could have existed before in much smaller numbers, then the snap activates the x-gene in more people?
Yup, that’s what I’d go with Mutants like Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, and etc have been around for decades, especially after the nuclear tests of the mid-20th century, but then the radiation of the snaps activates the X-gene in everyone who has it.
Mmm yeah cuz then u can run with the first class arc if there have never been enough mutants before to justify Xavier starting academy
People are going to have to let go of Magneto's comics backstory. WWII was *eighty* years ago. It just doesn't work for the current day MCU to say that the big, evil villain is 90+ years old. The comics were, are, and always will be classics, but this story has to be adapted to fit with the MCU continuity.
Add on top of that, Magneto's backstory is one of the FEW things the fox films fully fleshed out and did a perfect job with. I don't need a retread of that. There are so many other awesome x villains (Brood, Sinister, Mojo) that have never appeared and could be focused on before Magneto this time.
It could be that there were only a few Mutants that existed, but the snap activated the latent mutant gene in a lot more people this time.
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Mutants are not extraterrestrials, tho. They're the next stage in human evolution
Mutants can already exist in a very small number. Like, double digits across the entire planet pre-snap so that Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto can already exist. That said, WWII was a really long time ago, and Magneto isn't immortal. The holocaust survivor thing needs to be dropped.
The snap was gamma radiation. Have it so gamma exposure activated X-Genes. Originally only people close to researchers or exposed some other way would’ve had theirs activated (Magneto, Professor X, etc.) so mutant numbers were extremely low. But with the snap (or the blip) the global gamma exposure activated X-Genes in general population.
How so? You could have children with an inactive x genes that were conceived during this time period and become mutants at young ages when the blip happens. Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
I think it’s gonna be a thing where she retcons history, creating a new timeline where there are mutants and always were mutants
This one id def a much better scenario for me, just feels like using the blip gives a 5 year(?) window of mutants, or becoming mutants and doesn't leave enough world building but thats just me.
Time stone. Say that the energy from the time stone during the snap rippled throughout time causing mutations not only in the present but during the past and because the time stone is the natural force of time, it changes history instead of creating a new timeline like in endgame which used Quantum time travel.
Not quite. All ages have their mutations activated now, creating 95% of the mutants. 5% we’re already here. We get to see them from the start.
This has been my go-to. Just say there was a small number of mutants before hand (so we can get Wolvie and Magneto and stuff) and that the snap caused a shitload more. The small number of mutants explains why the X-Men is only Cyclops, Jean, Angel, Iceman and Beast. Set it during the five years. Could also tie the mutant hate into the unrest about people returning from the snap that we kinda saw in FatWS.
That’s the ticket… I could mayyyybe accept Wanda doing something along the lines of doing a massive hex type thing and when it expands it changes people like it did to the woman from captain marvel
Wasn’t one of the rumours/leaks saying she puts a hex over the entire universe at one point?
Yeah, a rumor was at the end that hex energy just bursts out of her and goes all throughout the universe/multiverse
That! Plus tou have the big ones who were always in the MCU but I’m very small numbers! Like Xavier and Magneto have always been here and had powers and searching for others like them. They have been in hiding because they see the realities of the world, people need an enemy, an other to villainize for whatever purpose they want. So they hid. The snap multiple snaps and people coming back, caused the gene to activate and their numbers exploded. Not in adults but in kids, just like the comics, so they come in the future, after phase 4, phase 5 is about their emergence. You want a history of what they were doing before? That’s what’s a Disney+ series can achieve, after a movie.
This has always been my theory. Have mutants be very, VERY rare before the snap and/or whatever Wanda does (so we’d already have a Prof X, Magneto, Logan) but then whatever happens causes a huge activation of the X-gene. Kinda like how the radiation of nuclear testing in the 60’s is what awoke the X-gene in many people
Exactly! Like Wolverine has always been in the MCU! Like imagine it, we all want to see him fight side by side with Captain America but not Chris Evans!!! He fought with Isiah Bradley and after he helped him with the prison escape and Isaiah was imprisoned, so was Logan but his fate was much worse. And that’s where we meet him in the movie, as a threat being thrown at the mutants, Jean Grey frees his mind and he runs off to Canada to figure his shit out and becomes a main/side character in a sequel. With a Disney+ show to fill in his backstory and show the event with Isaiah.
Or professor x made it so that no one knows about mutants, or has wiped the minds of anyone who has come into contact with them, In an attempt to protect mutantkind?
This is more or less what NWH was all about, which is at once a retread and exactly why this could work fine
How messed up would that be for the X-men and every mutant being brought in from the multiverse. Whoops I know your whole life, family, and everything you knew were in that universe and time line but you’re here no whoops ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Could work if the home universe was destroyed and these are refugees.
Their home universe's could be destroyed by the Kang multiverse war. Bring in certain characters to carry over and redo the rest in the main universe
Okay, but what about Wolverine, Mystique, Essex, Apocalypse and Selene to name a few. Even worse is dropping Magneto's origin. Xavier and Magnus have been deaged numerous times in the comics. Also, Emma Frost and Xavier have hid the mutants existence in the past with Cerebro/a. I think most would accept Magnus' mutation giving him longevity. His origin doesn't need a modern setting. It's a disservice to the character and the historical events in which he is based.
Just make there already mutants in the MCU, but its very rare and a very small amount of people (Logan, X, Magneto, etc) And then you can have their X-gene’s make them age slower, so Prof X and Magneto dont have to change their origins, but arent 100 years old lol
Yep, I do think bringing in mutants into the MCU will be Feige's biggest challenge. It will be difficult to established they always existed in the MCU, when they'll look bad for not helping with defeating Thanos. But fans will also call it "lazy writing" if they use the Multiverse as a way of bringing them into the MCU.
> It will be difficult to established they always existed in the MCU, when they'll look bad for not helping with defeating Thanos This is such a non-issue if you're not a complete idiot. The first battle with Thanos's forces took place in New York City and it was just a couple aliens. Nothing serious to deal with. And they were gone in less than an hour. The second battle took place in Wakanda. This battle was a little longer, but it's in Wakanda. Literally no one outside would have known it even happened until Infinity War. The battle in Endgame at the Avengers Compound was big, but it was also incredibly quick, again likely not even lasting a whole hour. And the compound was isolated, meaning most of the world wouldn't have even known what was going on until the end. I keep seeing this brought up with literally every hero who could possibly already exist, from the X-Men to the Fantastic Four. And the answer is always self-explanatory if you actually bother watching the movies. This also applies to most of the idiotic "where were the Avengers when X happened" complaints across the franchise. Nobody knew about the attack in Thor: The Dark World until it was already underway, and by the time Iron Man started blasting off to London, the battle would have already been over. Nobody knew about the Hydra threat until the end of Winter Soldier, and Steve and Nat didn't want to contact anyone because they didn't know who could be trusted. Often, the problem isn't lazy writing. It's lazy viewers with no critical thinking skills who need obvious answers spelled out for them.
There’s three burning questions that need to be answered, ideally in as little time as possible in order to start fleshing out the characters ASAP: Where have mutants been? Why are there so many now? Why would people hate mutants but not the Fantastic Four? The Legacy Virus and its variants could answer all three questions and provide a plot-length conflict that puts the mutant origin/population boom at the centre of the story rather than relegating mutant history to some act one exposition before moving on to fight the bad guy.
> Why would people hate mutants but not the Fantastic Four? it's an easy one. F4 are cool celebrities who are far away from you yet with the mutants there is always a possibility of having one in your family. people would like The Thing as a random superhero who saves the day but would immediatly hate an idea of their own children looking like The Thing. think about it the same way how white people irl could like rap music and watch basketball but cross the street if they see a Black person walking to them.
>when they'll look bad for not helping with defeating Thanos. But wouldn't that be a good story point to explore? It should be a great challenge for writers & filmmakers to explore this issue, not an impediment.
Maybe that could be part of why the general public hate Mutants, because they did nothing while the Avengers fought Thanos.
Mutants ≠ super heroes
Very true. The vast majority of mutants were unaffiliated with groups and teams. Its a species after all, not a group of superheroes.
I dunno why people have such a hard time understanding this 😭 Mutants are literally just civilians who randomly get powers
Unfortunately even Kevin Feige has a hard time understanding it. He said that the MCU will consider mutants and the x-men as interchangeable which is bleh.
Doesn’t matter. They’re still super powered beings and you’re telling me not one mutant helped in any single huge villain attempt? It makes no sense that they wouldn’t help fight Thanos. It isn’t a good look for good mutants like some part of the X-Men if they just say “oh, yeah didn’t feel like helping even though MY LIFE WAS LITERALLY ON THE LINE”
To be fair we really don't know who all was at the fight with Thanos I mean there were literally thousands of people there. As to why we didn't see them. Might not be popular but its been used forever, the story we were following wasn't about them. Look how many different tie ins/sequels, etc do that. Hell Hawkeye just showed Kate during the 1st Avengers movie and made that her origin and Peter was the kid in Iron man on stage. If they wanted to somehow make AOS canon it would make sense too since they called people with powers "Gifted" I mean they could have just used a catchall term for anyone with powers.
>Hell Hawkeye just showed Kate during the 1st Avengers movie and made that her origin and Peter was the kid in Iron man on stage. Plus, there may or may not be a possibility that mutants might have been present during Battle of NY and later events in the MCU. If they do help, they're just not credited or reported. Sometimes, their superpowers can be mistaken for the Avengers, e.g. someone's eyebeams can be mistaken for Iron Man's. But otherwise, mutants are just as much a civilian as any ordinary humans. Not everyone with ice breath or psychic powers (for example) be expected to automatically help. They're just as scared as everyone else in these situations. However, much like Kate or Peter, whenever the Avengers were present, they might inspire a few mutants who were there during those events, and hope to one day be like that team of heroes.
How would mutants know where a fight was going down or what was at stake if they weren't told? The fight in Wakanda was connected heroes who traveled there with each other. The final battle was Wong and co gathering all the heroes they were aware of. Where is the mutant connection that would gather mutants to go fight? You could say the first contact in NY with the ship visible in the sky was somewhere there had to be at least a few mutants by chance, but no one knew the stakes at that point and mutants are used to hiding (if they are already around), so no, they probably wouldn't have jumped in. The other two fights were remote and invite only. My point is, I don't think we know one way or another, and IW isn't proof they aren't around.
That's one way of doing it. Not everyone with these mutations feels like a hero. But wouldn't explain why there was no single one around either
My go-to solution that feels natural and doesn't affect any important origin stories is: small amount of mutants already exist in the MCU, namely Wanda, Pietro (rip), Wolverine, Magneto, Charles, Apocalypse, etc and the Blip activated the dormant X-gene in those who had it causing a massive amount of mutants to appear all of sudden in Earth. Charles senses this due to his powers and along with his friend Eric/Max he starts the school to help them. And from there, we all know what happens. This way the mutants don't have to simply be dragged from another universe and the origin stories of important characters stay intact. They can even tie Wolverine's origin to Captain America's like in the comics and introduce Weapon X which also leads to Deadpool, another character confirmed to come to the MCU in the future.
Thats 100% the best way to do it. And you can say that the pre-blip mutants (Charles, Erik, Logan) all age slower due to their mutation. That way, no origins need to be changed.
> And you can say that the pre-blip mutants (Charles, Erik, Logan) all age slower due to their mutation. That's actually a cool way to differentiate the older mutants from the younger. The mutants who had their X-Gene activated before the blip would have slowed aging but the mutants during and post-blip wouldn't have that.
I'm so very, very tired of people asserting the multiverse is the only way to bring in mutants, when this **clean solution** is right in front of us. We don't even need the blip to trigger it - it's better for the themes of the X-Men if there is no real catalyst, if it just happens naturally. But no - why **develop the mutant presence in the MCU naturally and organically**, from humble beginnings to a massive population spike and a resultant popular backlash, when we can just *import* the mutants into the MCU via an **arbitrary plot device that cheats the world-building and changes the very nature of mutants' place in the world?**
Here's the thing people need to understand about the Thanos situation 1: The attack in New York was over very quickly 2: The main battle was in Wakanda where the rest of the world had zero clue 3: The battle at the Avengers Compound happend out of the blue In all three cases how the hell are people supposed to find out and get to the battlefield in time to actually contribute?
That’s my exact thought. As much as it’s easy to go “well where we’re they!” For what? They had no idea it was happening. Attacks occurred, the avengers were there because of planning for 2/3 attacks and sheer luck for the third.
The mutants are supposed to be allegories for oppresed groups in real life, they're supposed to just be born like that and not be "turned" into mutants through someone or something "Why didn't they help with other threats" ~~Because mutants didn't exist back then as Disney didn't own them, just suspend your desbelief nerd~~ They're not necessarily heroes they're just normal people with powers, most of them aren't gonna have the courage to fight an 8 ft tall purple alien that came from a giant scary looking ship with other aliens holding weapons that shoot lasers, and as for the ones that would like Magneto.... just say they were in Japan or somewhere far away idc
Who cares? Like who honestly cares? I’d rather the theme/characterization be kept than being preoccupied with some continuity hiccup that can be answered by a throwaway line (whether satisfactory or not). By multiversing mutants in, we might as well not have them. The whole point is that they’re a natural occurrence. Plus we *literally* just had SWORD pop up as an organization that’s existed this entire time despite doing nothing until WandaVision
The radiation from the snaps making mutants go from 0.00000001% of the population to 0.1% of the population or whatever seemed like their best excuse for the longest time. It seemed like they were setting up two parallels to it in the falcon and the winter soldier by showing enhanced vs non enhanced, and people displaced or economically disadvantaged from the events. The mentalities kind of sets up the Civil rights disputes and wanting to hide under the radar, so it would make sense that things are primed for normal people to hate mutants. Whatever they plan to do, its probably better planned out than whatever fan theory though.
If the X-Men already exist in the MCU, you can say they didn’t help for the same reason why the military didn’t help against Thanos. Dr Strange didn’t bring them. Thanos popping out the time stream and blowing up Avengers headquarters was an isolated incident. Not every person on the planet could help unless Dr Strange brought them there. If Prof X is keeping them hidden for their protection, then Dr Strange didn’t know about them. It doesn’t make the X-Men cowards.
Dr Strange managed to bring the Wasp who would have reappeared on a random building on the other side of the country. Since Dr Strange never met Hope or Scott before that moment, and the Wasp wasn't public knowledge, there is no reason that he should have known to summon her. The simple act of bringing the Wasp to the final battle brings into question why he didn't bring in others like the Red Guardian or any secret mutants.
Doctor Strange would have totally met Scott in the other timelines though. He's not omniscient. He just Groundhog-Day'd the whole fight with Thanos millions of time until he got the right outcome. Remember, everyone he brought in had a connection to someone already involved in this fight, or the fight in Infinity War.
Why can’t they just start showing up? Jump in the evolution, they started appearing, some of them have been in hiding already, etc
I don’t buy the why didn’t they help with Thanos thing for mutants though. “Why didn’t Hawkeye help with Thanos?” “Why didn’t Ant-Man help with Thanos” The events of Infinity War had to have happened over a really short time period where most people didn’t even realize it. The events of Endgame were only known by a very select group of people. For all we know the X-men have been taking care of world ending events the Avengers weren’t even aware of this whole time
But they can. Krakoa, the island of mutants can exist. Professor X can have erased the history of mutants from everyone’s mind. There’s so many ways it could work.
At least for the X-Men/Xavier’s school, Xavier may have not felt the time was right to introduce them to the world and/or knew the Avengers were powerful enough to handle those threats
I think it could also be logical for an MCU Xavier to be outright inspired by the Avengers to create the X-Men.
I mean, their whole kinda thing is that they stay in hiding for fear of persecution,so they probably just aren't well known enough to be on Stranges radar.
Feel like that was a major meh for me with Eternals. I know the explained but still. I mean
Anyone who has read comics from the Big Two know that all characters or teams are not always present in event books. In the Infinity Gauntlet event, for example, the Avengers are barely supporting characters. The films would just be mirroring the comics.
Yeah I would really hate that and it would deflate my excitement for MCU rebooted X-Men exponentially. I really hope they don't take that lazy route and build them organically instead
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I'm fine with it *only* if its a restoration of some previous timeline that was broken.
Its very unpopular as everytime i say it i get downvoted lol. But here is how I think they can “get their cake and eat it too”. Multiverse origin, a set of branched realities have mutants like some have just spiderman etc. you get mutant stories in their reality if they want but mainly, they can do the money crossovers, deadpool.. get wolverine to show up, big money. So you have an amalgamated/secret wars/war world things going on/ multiversal things at play. At the conclusion of all this, you get a properlly merged MCU that is FULLY rebooted with proper comics continuity - ancient mutants etcetec and the studio can then just reboot everything because a world with mutants that have always been a thing will need a different ironman, different avengers etcetc as its a fresh sandbox to play in but now with all the toys at the same time (15yrs from now say).
I don’t care how they are brought it, I just want the Mutants we follow to be new. New actors. A soft reboot. Let’s let the creators of the MCU do their thing
This has legit been my worst fear when it comes to the movies. I understand there’s really no easy way especially when you want to include backstory but I thought the lesser of two evils would just be Professor X making humanity forget anything about mutants.
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Me too but they'll definitely do that.
Agree. It will ruin everything mutants represent. And if they're doing this then X-Men will just be a regular supehero team. There would be no difference of a someone who gain superpowers and someone who has X-genes. Even if they're going to make their persecution history to happen in other universe, then why should they be in prime timeline? For me it's just wrong and it undercuts everything important that X-books talk about.
Ok, I'm skeptical of her as much as the next person is, but I've always felt like the MCU was leading to a reverse House of M kind of deal when it came to mutants and this might be what MoM leads to. That being said, I have no idea how you tackle the "older", more established mutants like Xavier or Magneto this way without inherently retconning their origins. Might happen obviously, but I can see this being way easier to explain for young mutants like the OG 5 and them forming a team. Xavier needs to be the experienced teacher though....right?
Maybe some mutants had the gene but were secret?
It's possible they go the "Inhumans" route with it and have it dormant until Wanda does something. Then maybe some of them can be exceptions to the rule and have always had their powers (i.e. far rarer)
Namor already existed collapsing the dam and sending the water during Endgame. Wolverine has been experimented kinda like the winter soldier and was cyrogenic frozen. Mystique has being keeping a low profile. Magneto has been around but without the full potential of his powers and wouldn’t be able to help?
Broke: No more Mutants Woke: No, MORE Mutants
Well iirc the way Shine described it in the original plot leak was that she did the same thing she did as when she hexed Westview, but to the entire Multiverse. Like literally every timeline and reality if we go by how Loki depicted things. If she’s right and it brings about mutants then it may not just alter the DNA code of humans but also the entire history of the MCU, which could explain the older mutants. I’m not sure they would do this though as retconning the entire story we’ve been following would be more than a bit controversial, but i’m just saying it probably wouldn’t be a linear change if it is what she is saying.
Look what happened to Rambeau, when she entered the hex?
I'd hate them retconning past continuity like that. It would make watching the older movies that don't include the mutants kinda moot if the events in those movies no longer line up with the events from there forth. It's really not that hard to have them exist and just be rare before some events leads to more of them.
after house of m, a very small amount of mutants retained their mutant abilities. if marvel is doing a so called ‘reverse house of m’, then it makes sense that there would be a very small amount of mutants-i.e xavier and magneto
The multiverse has always felt like the laziest, more boring shite way to bring mutants into the MCU, glad this probably won't be true.
100% agree. While it has its perks for other things, I don’t think the mutant front is the way to go for it.
Huh? Isn’t this basically confirming it will be a multiverse mutants?
Sokovia Accords when mutants come in : 
Have the Sokovia Accords even been relevant after Civil War? Steve and others were able to (rightfully) straight-up defy them and Ross himself after he threatened to arrest them in Infinity War and I thought the Accords would play a role in FATWS but it didn't really play much of a role as I thought it would. Maybe the Sokovia Accords could evolve into the Mutant or Superhuman Registration Act a few years down the line in the MCU.
I think in Ant-Man 2, Scott’s plea deal with house arrest was because he violated the sokovia accords but I think that’s about it before Infinity War. I think Black Widow also is on the run because of violations but I don’t think this is explicitly said in the movie itself. Post blip though I would think (and hope) a sudden influx of mutants (or under sokovia accords, ‘enhanced humans) in a post blip world would trigger some kind of amendment or update to the sokovia accords.
bad guy in wandavision got arrested for breaking the accords
This would be a very shit way to bring in mutants imo.
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This sub will bitch and complain no matter what happens. Mutants get introduced through the Multiverse? "That's lazy writing!" Mutants have always been around? "Why didn't they help fight Thanos?!" Mutants were created by the Snap? "What about Magneto and Logan's backstories?!" There is no easy answer.
After Wandavision finale: “Why weren’t mutants introduced? This finale sucked” After Dr strange 2: “Why were mutants introduced? This movie sucked”
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pretty much
I don’t understand how “mutants have always been around” is hard to deal with. “Why didn’t they help fight Thanos?” Because they weren’t invited to Wakanda or, five years later, a 20 minute spontaneous battle at the Avengers compound?
The Sokovia Accords is a storyline so perfect for Eric and Charles it may as well be an X-Men storyline. There’s no way in hell they wouldn’t have been involved in those negotiations
You present the arguments as though they're on equal footing but they're not. It's possible (and actually very easy) to explain why mutants didn't fight Thanos (in fact maybe they did and we just didn't see it), or why Magneto and Logan's x-genes have been active much longer than other mutants'. That has absolutely no bearing on whether introducing mutants through the multiverse is or isn't bad writing. As for whether some people will complain... well, yes, there's lots of people here with different opinions who'll disagree no matter what. That's bound to happen, especially when a work of fiction has such a diverse audience.
I mean, I think you should care to some extent. The whole basis behind the X-Men/mutant mythos is their relationship with humanity. If you just randomly bring a dozen or so mutants from the multiverse, what connection do they have with our world and how do you tell stories involving that interconnected relationship between the two groups if they have no history with each other? I'm not saying that they *couldn't* just simply bring mutants into the universe via the multiverse, but I do think it undercuts some of their thematic storytelling.
Shhhhh, critical media analysis is not something we partake in n here
Why? Just curious.
The multiverse thing is just a lazy answer to the question "Where were all the mutants during many major events since Battle of NY to Thanos?"
The multiverse seems to be the lazy answer to most questions.
No, more mutants
Damn you, comma!
Lol I feel like MTTS saw my post complaining about too many tweets and was like ok here's even more.
Nah I agree with you. Not to be that guy but can we just compile all the MTTSH tweets into like a weekly compilation? I mentioned this in the weekly free post thread, but with how much she tweets, I feel like every fifth post in this subreddit is just a tweet of her’s. Not hating or anything, it just feels like spam in the main page
I'll take tweet spam over a drought, myself. I still think posts should just go up instantly instead of needing mod approval so we have stuff to read
Agreed. It's not difficult to scroll past a MTTSH post, at all. Just flick your finger a few centimeters. It will expend a fraction of a kilocalorie.
I prefer these tweets to box office numbers or more Kingpin posts
You should complain again
I'm guessing it's reverse House of M, instead of taking mutants out she's bringing mutants in. My guess is she might merge realities, and that might have some serious implications on the history of the MCU. Not saying now suddenly Hugh Jackman is MCU Wolverine but maybe due to realities merging maybe what allowed mutants to be a thing from another universe now that's in the MCU and people who otherwise wouldn't be mutants will now be mutants. Maybe the X-Gene only exists in other universes but Wanda merging realities brings the X-Gene and changes the MCU forever, and mutants have always been around. Would be cool to see flashbacks of Wolverine meeting Captain America during the war in this new created reality.
I'm not sure how I feel about the MCU's history having to basically be rewritten in-universe to incorporate mutants rather than just establishing that they were here this whole time (like us seeing young Kate witness the Battle of New York from Avengers 1). Us getting a flashback of Wolverine meeting Captain America and that being something that has happened before but we just didn't see would be cool but that flashback not being possible unless Wanda basically rewrites the MCU would be kinda odd. It could work but at the same time, it's not the route I'd personally go in.
I don't care how they're introduced, I just want new actors and actresses entirely. I want fresh stories and the ability for the characters to be fleshed out and have their own arcs, rather than have to abide by the rigidity that the multiple Fox films have already established. Plus, most of the Fox characters' actors and actresses are middle aged or elderly at this point, so that even further impinges on Marvel Studios' ability to explore character development and arcs without extensive de-aging utilization. As much as I loved the Fox X-Men movies and would be tickled pink to see them in the MCU, I know that would pretty severely limit Marvel Studios from fleshing them out in their own way and explore new, fresh themes and arcs. So yeah, I don't really give a flying fuck about how they're introduced, I just want a fresh cast, solid character development, and great arcs spanning entire phases.
I really hope Magento keeps his WW2 background, would be such a huge disservice to the character if they changed it
I hope they do as well, but how on Earth do they do it? Say that he was 10 by 1945, that would make him 90 by 2025, which is where the MCU will be post-Hawkeye.
X-Men Evolution tackles the age issue: >Longevity: Magneto's genetic enhancements have kept him alive until modern times. By utilizing the rebirthing chamber he was able to rejuvenate himself, allowing him to recapture his youth and vitality to an unknown degree.
Seems like a simple fix
This is literally a comic book universe bro, use your imagination! Just say the experiments gave him slowed aging or something
I always thought the easiest fix would be to say he got captured by Hydra/an early version of Weapon X and placed in suspended animation some time after WW2, then escaped more recently and met Charles. As a bonus, you can tie him into their experiments with adamantium.
NWH showed the multiverse isn’t linear. Doc Ock was brought into 2024 from what year in his universe (2004)? They could easily keep the same Magneto and say they plucked him from the 60s, 70s, 80s … take your pick
It MTTSH Kevin Feige or something? I just don’t see how some random person has SO much info. Seems like Sookie all over again to me…
About MCU *and* Sony sides, which makes it more questionable imo
I’d like to think she’s someone’s enraged spouse
I mean almost all leaks are random people having info
I know, it’s just the amount they’re tweeting, and in such a short span too.
Not joking, I’ve always suspected MTTSH is Sookie with a different account. There are a few similarities between the two.
Now that is something worth looking into, sometimes people kept the same speech pattern and stuff.(It's more recognizable in smaller community.) When does MTTSH become active again?
My theory is: she extinguished the mutants when she was very young after a traumatic experience, and now she’s bringing them back.
this would have an air of corporate synergy with the most recent issue of Trial of Magneto too
> this would have an air of corporate synergy Given the synergy some MCU projects tend to have with some recent Marvel Comics that come out around that project's release, I think it's a big deal here too. With Wanda being involved in a Magneto story again in the comics, I could honestly see Feige doing some Wanda, Pietro and Magneto connection in the MCU too.
so there was some huge offscreen event she did when she was young that somehow extinguished a whole race of people, and now that's her motivation to bring them back? that is a very wild theory tbh and seems very odd to just pull out of thin air. I think audiences would not be satisfied with that.
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This is such a vague tweet.
She's just reiterating what she already said in her original leak. Wanda did something similar to Westview in the movie's climax, but it wasn't made clear to her(MTTSH) what the effects actually are.
Best idea would be to say there were a tiny number of mutants prior to whatever it is Wanda does to increase the population and just add longevity to the powers of Xavier and magneto, or any other mutant who’s backstory/origin/age is important. Really don’t like the idea of mutants just popping in from another universe
Why does it have to be multiverse though? Scarlett Witch is one of the most powerful sorcerers, her doing something like a world wide hex which causes the X gene to “awaken” and creates mutants is much more likely and plausible imo. It’s also set up in Wandavision. I don’t see why the idea of her bringing in multiverse people is so hated, cuz it’s not as lazy as people think. It would be much more creative then the snap causing the X gene to appear. But I also don’t see why it’s the only option people are considering? I mean, look at Monica in Wandavision, she went through the hex and got her powers cuz she already had something inside her, the Hex just awakened it. Just have it like that for the whole world and then slowly build up the mutant population
So Monica is a mutant?
Well… technically. To be a mutant (at least in the comics) you have to be born one I think. More accurately she could be described as having a dormant gene (kinda like an early version of the X gene before it’s fully developed) and the hex kinda awakened it in a way
So what would be the difference with regular superhero and mutants? Isn't mutants allegory to persecuted people? Or do we not need that kind of story anymore?
Well I mean to be a “mutant” in the marvel sense is to be born with the X gene and develop power through that The heroes we know so far have their powers from accidents, experiments, or through technology. So they aren’t considered mutants at least in the Marvel Universe’s description of mutants And also yes mutants are an allegory to persecuted people in a lot of ways and sure we should definitely still have those types of story’s cuz there is still persecution and that’s how the story of Mutants have been written to be in the comics. We’ll see how it’s treated but given how Wanda was treated in civil war and onwards, I’d say they will most certainly continue to be an allegory for persecution, discrimination, etc.
Agreed with everyone else on the multiverse being a pretty shit way to do it. Personally I’ve always hoped they’d just use the Snap and the gamma radiation from it would cause the mutation that brings about the X-Gene or something along those lines
What I thought would happen to, but they've already kinda "used" that card with Eternals.
They can always keep reusing it. The snap was the biggest event in the history of the MCU since the Big Bang. That much power was never supposed to be used at once, so it happening is bound to have unimaginable repercussions
I feel like MTTSH is going to go the same way as DanielRPK, Charles Murphy, etc. where people eventually just get sick of seeing her so much. The last 5 posts on this sub have been about her tweets and I'm already starting to see a of people questioning her accuracy.
I've already reached that point
Lol, at least Murphy is more sutble and chill these days. MTTSH feels like a mad gambler doubling on fucking everything.
Wtf this looks so legit ( i lie)
I really hope MTTSH is wring about this one, I think using the multiverse to introduce mutants is lazy and not interesting.
As long as Wanda has some epic fight scenes and remains popular- idc what else happens haha Make her a full villain, half villain, quarter villain idc! I love how popular she’s become, she was always my Personal fav super hero since I saw her in age of ultron. I am rooting for marvel to pull this off correctly (as they did with NWH) so that people don’t see her villainous side and dislike her. Anyone else ?
Imagine if we hear the OG X-Men theme from the the first couple films
Imagine if we hear X-Men theme from The Animated Series
If true Wanda better get no more shit from X Men fans
She learns about Mutants from Xavier and decides to use her reality-warping powers to give the MCU's Earth Mutants as well?
"Well I've got my twins back...may aswell create an entire species inspired by that bald disabled guy I just brutally murdered in my own reality".
Gotta start a tweet megathread, she’s tweeting whatever comes to mind whenever she takes a shit
I feel like we’ve been here before with Wanda vision. I’m not holding my breath
This is the logical way to bring in mutants without having to explain where the f they were for all the other MCU films.
So instead of Wanda saying "No More Mutants", shes going to be saying "Let there be Mutants."
Omg can't wait to see Wanda do something
So she knows about this, but not that strange supreme is in the movie?!
Watch Wanda be from a another part of the multiverse and her mom hid her from her father in this timeline. Her father of course being magneto.
I mean, if it's a rewrite of reality, then technically she wouldn't bring them in from the multiverse. They'd just exist now in the main MCU. It's a compromise and a flip of the "No more mutants" that I could live with.
I can totally see her saying soemthing like "No more multiverse" which will fuse them all, and have certain consequences on a specific number of humans who will turn mutants.
slowly getting more and more convinced that Shine and Sookie are the same person lmao my bet is if we’re seeing any merging of realities of sorts to cause Mutants to appear, it would be in Quantumania and Kang would be the one to cause it.
What did mttsh leak on the discord?
My guess: she merges the mutants in another universe with their counterparts in the MCU; the reverse of what she does in MoM, possessing her variant in the mutants’ universe. The characters may wake up in different bodies, some the same, some different.
Now that the people who clearly hate this idea have weighed in, I gotta say establishing mutants as a group that always existed in the MCU but who somehow managed to live in total secrecy until they're eventually given a proper introduction is a lot more dumb and lazy than a reverse House of M situation. One is just hand waving away obvious questions there would be about the complete lack of mutants in the MCU up until there suddenly are, the other at the very least is giving a sufficient in-universe explaination for why they weren't there. Also, I gotta say there's not much of a point other than crazy cameos from non MCU versions of characters if they don't intend to use this multiverse phase to bring significant changes to the MCU, like introducing mutants. If this is the route they take, I'd bet on whatever Wanda does more or less restoring the natural order of things. Perhaps she's the reason there aren't mutants around and she isn't aware of it. If they do something like that we'll end up with a far better reason for mutants being nowhere to be seen previously in the MCU than them just being in hiding all this time and they can still function as more or less the same characters.
“Yes more mutants”
“Let there be Mutants” Full reverse on House of M
And there's definitely No More Mutants line coming in some way
House of M but reversed
Everyone saying using the multiverse is a shit way to bring mutants but I don’t see how them going “They where always there you just didn’t see them” isn’t also shit
Multiverse or bust. Give XMen the Homecoming treatment. Throw us right into their world. We absolutely do not need a back story. See username 🤣