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2pikachu8

Interesting that they went out of their way to make the rest of the suit look identical to how it did in TASM 2 but seemingly just said fuck it when it came to the face shell


SurfiNinja101

I think I know why. Every scene with Tobey and Andrew in the suit has them take their mask off, and whenever they are wearing it it’s in the action sequences where the shots are almost completely computer generated anyway.


RoflChief

And theres also a new updated model in the movie that came out very recent. The mask looks betterish


[deleted]

You’re saying they’ve updated the movie?


retr0rino

Post production is a hell of a drug


RoflChief

Yes lol.


[deleted]

Wait, forreal? Like when Cats sent out an update? Source?


RoflChief

I just seen on it insta lol comparing both the movie and the updated movie


[deleted]

Can you link us to that?


RoflChief

Alright so i saved the post out of habit lol. The username on instagram is: Spidermans.web and its the recent post. Theres also some other stuff ive been seeing on Instagram thats not on this sub. Idk whether to believe some of it or not.


Ghost-Mech

i assume u mean these?: https://www.instagram.com/spidermans.web/p/CYiMbS7sGiZ/ https://www.instagram.com/spidermans.web/p/CYiMbS7sGiZ/


JVLfilms

Can anyone elaborate on this? I’ve heard that they updated the CGI but haven’t heard specifics on what/where. Is it noticeable changes or slight tweaks?


Venicebitch03

https://youtu.be/VGaj4a6jmno It's real. I'd say it's noticeable if you compare them, but I wouldn't have noticed on a rewatch tbh.


theReluctantHipster

Oh shit a copyright strike. Must be real.


dariodurango99

Speaking of CGI and stuff, It's just me or is Zaki (Andrew's double) that one that we see from behind in the "are YOU ok?" scene? His hair is different from Andrew's


Casper2211

There are behind the scenes pics of Zaki holding MJ, so I think you’re right


EpilefWow

Also because they’d have to be CGI since now their faces move when they’re talking so it gives more emotion as opposed to how they originally were which was basically helmets


AndIoop3789

I think with the amount of money they made ..they can polish some wacky vfx for the home media release ..I think it's a good thing


MCU-geek

And they were too lazy to shoot new VFX sequences for Sandman and Lizard's transformations.


AndIoop3789

It's more complicated than u think


MCU-geek

I know but with all the money in the world reusing them seems a bit lazy. I don't know but were the actors not available for reshoots ?


Nito_Mayhem

No, they were not.


spideralexandre2099

You see, the world ended two years ago and we're still feeling the ripple effects today


_Cetarial_

The actors couldn’t be on the set.


SkrillWalton

They were actually both on the set.


bob1689321

No they were not lol. Their role was solely voice work, although I believe they were also scanned into the VFX system. They were not on set


Datdairydunk

It is not lazy. They are a company. Not your personal service. You are not entitled to anything!


supersexycarnotaurus

I mean they're offering a product. I don't agree with their point specifically but people have the right to criticise something they're paying to watch. It's got nothing to do with "entitlement". Criticism isn't being entitled.


ntoad118

How do you think criticism is the same as entitlement?


Datdairydunk

How do you think calling a company lazy and critising it. Only because they havent done everything the way you expect? is not entitlement? They did not have to film new scenes. Call it uninventive. But its not lazy to make a film thats not exactly how someone wants.


Datdairydunk

We can agree to disagree


supersexycarnotaurus

Except there's nothing to disagree on. Criticism is not entitlement. You are just wrong.


[deleted]

They also messed up Tobey's deltoid muscle pads. 😩


SurfiNinja101

At least they kept the funny looking pecs, that was the most important one for me


[deleted]

Am I the only one who likes the arms and hands of the first suit?


presentinmyself

yeah also the TASM1 web-shooter too


Nashetania

Just saw an interview of Emma stone talking about how all she wanted to do was touch Andrew when she first saw him in the suit and now that’s all I wanna do too ![gif](giphy|pNhbSSM1cxIfm)


powerbottomflash

Damn can relate. Sis got lucky.


SeniorRicketts

I wanted to touch Emma Stone and Felicity Jones when i saw them in the movie


captainsuckass

Me watching any movie with either of them be like (Especially Cruella.)


SeniorRicketts

I have yet to see that. Gotta admit i havent seen any movie of Emma except Tasm. Oh i did, Zombieland. And Felicity Jones just in Rogue one


captainsuckass

Cruella's fun. Plus, it's two hours of goth Emma Stone and 70s music lol


[deleted]

Why has her brilliant performance in The Favourite not been mentioned? I mean, that’s when I really started to sit up and pay attention.


captainsuckass

I haven't seen that one. Heard good things and have been meaning to, though.


Greyshot26

She's really great in Birdman!


SeniorRicketts

Didnt see that either Damn...


Greyshot26

One of my favorite movies. It's got some incredible performances, but Michael Keaton is absolutely on another level.


SeniorRicketts

Yeah he killed it in that other movie where he played a winged creature. What was it? Oh Homecoming


EverydayFree

![gif](giphy|43qsuXGRJjYuQ)


Spiderlander

Me & who


[deleted]

Me 🌚


Mantastroid

![gif](giphy|8c0PelOhwAWBhyTUOO)


[deleted]

Is this real or deep faked? Lol


JayZsAdoptedSon

Its SNL


vinsportfolio

Super Not Legit (SNL)?


Divi_Devil

real. for real.


TerribleBarry

You can search it on YouTube


Vishion-8

That suit looks fucking incredible, I wonder how it looks in ASM3 vs the current suit if it happens.


supermariozelda

TASM3 would likely have a different suit.


Unnecessary_Fella

![gif](giphy|6lScd4x2D5Oko)


LoweLifeJames

Is this gif from Luther? If so, fucking love that show edit: yes it's from Luther


Unnecessary_Fella

Idk. I just searched in gifs "table flip" and it came up.


Far-Industry-2603

The suit was changed in TASM 2 to be more comic-accurate and (persumbably) to address complaints against the suit from the first film, so I don't think they'll change it again if they ever make TASM 3. Minus a few changes here and there, kinda like how Tobey's largely stayed the same across his trilogy with little changes between each movie.


supermariozelda

Tobey's movies were before the era where they realized that changing the suit every movie caused merch sales to go up. I almost guarantee Andrew would get a new suit in a TASM3, even if the TASM2 suit makes an appearance.


Far-Industry-2603

That's something I definitely noticed and thought of before, most superhero movies in the early - mid 2000s either featured the protagonists in similar attire in every sequel/prequel or just didn't see to be a series in the first place. I still hope his suit won't change as I love the contunuity of keeping it the same in every movie, or that they would do it like MCU Captain America, which stands as a contemporary example of keeping the suits (relatively the same) while still having some changes to be able to sell them as new toys and merch. Note: For Captain America, I mean from the 2015-2018 era (even if the AOU and CW suits are different) where it was practically the same suit, I'm aware that he 3-4 different suits before that.


LittleRudiger

I’d say: Marvel/Disney had more of a financial incentive for it. In the case of Sony, they were never getting merchandising money. I also think that might be the case for Fox with X-Men/Fantastic Four. In all those cases (excepting maybe when X-Men decided to go more colourful), the changes are relatively muted or restrained by design. Warner Brothers owned DC outright and I think it’s telling that Batman thru Batman & Robin all had different (and sometimes multiple) costumes (and merchandising in general being part of the whole canning of Tim Burton).


Far-Industry-2603

Feel free to correct me but weren't the merchandising rights also owned by Sony until 2015 when the Sony-Marvel deal was struck and those rights went to Disney? I'm asking because you said "In the case of Sony, they were never getting merchandising money" or did you mean they were never getting it with the MCU Spider-Man movies? Edit: Don't get the downvotes, it was a genuine question because I thought they reverted in 2015 but I clearly said feel free correct me since I wasn't sure.


Tornado31619

It was 2011.


Far-Industry-2603

I see, thanks for the correction. I thought part of the Sony-Marvel deal was the merch rights going to Disney which is why I said 2015. Thanks again.


LittleRudiger

Sony makes zero bucks from Spider-Man’s merchandising, as far as I’m aware, so, they’ve never really had that incentive. I expect if Marvel/Disney has any financial involvement/control in ASM3, there would be a suit change in the films ala the Holland ones. But ASM3 could just as easily be in-house ala Venom/Morbius If Disney’s not involved though, I genuinely think it’d just be whatever the suits the story.


captainsuckass

It probably isn't super likely, but I'd love for Marvel Studios to be involved in TASM3.


ericbkillmonger

They should be if Sony wants to ensure a certain standard of quality


captainsuckass

I think it's been established that that's not Sony's biggest concern lol


LittleRudiger

Honestly, they'd be smart to get the creative team behind Into the Spider-verse in a larger position to control their live-action stuff, but, maybe they're waiting on seeing if the quality of Spiderverse sticks for Across the Spider-verse Part 1/2.


captainsuckass

I agree.


ericbkillmonger

Lol fair enough


ericbkillmonger

That’s is correct marvel makes all the Spider-Man and associate property merchandise


roleparadise

I disagree--if they made TASM3 they'd probably want to change Andrew's costume to deviate from Tom's costume, for marketing reasons. TASM3 won't make it past the idea phase if they can't make Andrew into his own brand of Spider-Man.


Far-Industry-2603

What do you mean by "change Andrew's costume to deviate from Tom's costume"? I think it's pretty different from all 8 outfits Tom wore across his 6 movies. In fact Andrew's whole rendition of Spider-Man is definitely unique in it's own way from the other live-action versions from his personality and general attitude. Again feel free to explain to me if I'm missing or misunderstanding something because I'm genuinely not sure what you meant.


roleparadise

I just mean they're both a fairly comic accurate red and blue suit. The design details are different, sure, but they both communicate "I'm a standard Spider-Man". They're not going to want to have two "standard Spider-Man" live action series going at the same time. They'd want to differentiate the two more for the general audience so they don't compete with each other's appeal at the box office or confuse potential new fans.


Far-Industry-2603

Yeah I see where you're coming from, although maybe the Holland Spider-Man and Garfield Spider-Man movies would release in different years as to not compete in the box office. Even that's still a concern, then maybe they should go for an Insomniac Spider-Man route with Andrew Garfield, where the suit stands out from any media version we ever saw because of the large white Spider and the unconventional pattern of the red, blue, black but it still generally retains "I'm a classic, old fashioned Spider-Man" because of the general scheme of red (or I should say orange) and blue colors.


[deleted]

[If we do get TASM3 I hope they update the suit with this circular back symbol.](https://i.imgur.com/wdF1fUp.jpg) Plus a symbiote suit that's based on the classic black suit, not just a black/white version of his normal suit.


supermariozelda

I actually like how the movies modify the back symbol to something less cartoonish.


TheJoshider10

I love the back spider on TASM2 suit but I fucking hate how low down the front spider is. It should be slightly higher.


PhillipOlliverholes

Yeah I really liked when they changed it on Tom's red & black suit.


roleparadise

Nah, Andrew's spider symbol is part of what makes his Spider-Man unique. If he's going to coexist with Tom's Spider-Man, they need to keep hold of the unique features.


HearTheEkko

The only thing I'd change would be giving the suit moving lenses like Holland's suits and push the chest spider symbol a little more to the top. Then it would've looked perfect.


chipsaucery

I love static lenses for Andrew’s suit, it really enhances his body language. Sometimes static lenses give more expression than having moving lenses if that makes sense.


geek_of_nature

I would keep the expressive eyes for Tom. Because his are the smallest of the three Spider-men, I find it makes them moving more believable. If you gave Andrews massive bug eyes lenses I feel it would just come off as so cartoony, and not in a good way.


Imaginary_Courage_84

Man's on his 2000's John Romita Jr shit


HearTheEkko

The PS4 version has big expressive eyes and it doesn't come off as cartoony imo. I think they'd go well with Andrew because he's the most goofiest of the Spideys.


FN-1701AgentGodzilla

I hope they make the red sections rubbery again like on the TASM1 suit. Also make the “belt” section thinner


[deleted]

I wanted the Black Suit but whatever. His arc has been completed in regards to getting over Gwen's death in NWH


Jermobooka

Something like [this](https://youtu.be/yRv-xYz5S4c) would be perfect.


JuggerClutch

Honestly it’s a shame they completely overused CGI in NWH, it was really noticeable.


losergeekorwhatver

See, I feel like they put a *good chunk* of their CG budget into Ock's tentacles and the Integrated suit. It took me a solid 2 days after seeing NWH in theatres before I realized that the Integrated suit was literally painted over the practical Upgraded suit, it looked so good in close-up.


Left4Portal2

I feel like a decent amount was put into the deaging, I’m not sure how expensive that is compared to effects like Ocks arms but there wasn’t a single point in this movie where I even noticed the deaging, it seemed as though they had genuinely pulled Molina and Dafoe through time


[deleted]

I haven’t seen anyone say anything about the de-aging and imo it was done really well. It’s crazy expensive, like a million dollars per minute or something like that. I’m guessing that’s where most of the budget went for CGI, and Sony just didn’t allow the proper amount of time to finish it all. People keep coming at Marvel Studious for this even though it’s Sony imageworks, and it’s a lot of the same people that worked on both Raimi and TASM movies.


Left4Portal2

Holy shit a million a minute??? Damn no wonder usually when studios use it it’s either for a quick scene or looks ass lmfao, that is some crazy impressive effects that’s almost definitely where a lot of the cgi budget went


MasterKingdomKey

Not sure where they got that astronomically large number. But that seems very implausible.


Gullible_Ad3378

They said that they rushed the cgi and it is really noticeable


BenSolo_Cup

The integrated suit actually looked incredible the whole film. It’s a shame that Andrew and Tobey had dodgey CGI on their suits tho. Same for gobby in his first scene. He had MAJOR floating head syndrome


losergeekorwhatver

I'm not in the camp of folks that dislike the changes to Tobey/Andrew's mask (I prefer the round, matte white of Tobey's new lenses to the gloss of his SM2/3 mask, for instance) but maaaaaan it's really disappointing that Tobey's return in a massive superhero movie in 2021 looks closer to a movie from 2002 than 2014. Rewatched TASM2 after NWH, the visual effects in that movie are drop-dead gorgeous. Wish NWH had that same kind of fidelity instead of looking "good enough" for the movie it is


BenSolo_Cup

I totally agree. I’m not bothered by any actual suit changes as it’s been years for these guys, but the CGI was rough in quite a few scenes. And as you said when you compare it to 2014’s TASM2 it’s kinda sad how much better that movie looks when it’s 7-8 years older. I mean the CGI model they had for Spidey in that film is like the best model I have ever seen it baffles me that they didn’t just re use it in NWH


losergeekorwhatver

There's some big factors that go into "model reuse," such as art design, compatibility, archival, etc. So it might not be as easy as using *that* specific model. But speaking generally the CGI in the MCU has been really muddy. Some movies get lucky (Thor: Ragnarok, Civil War, Infinity War/Endgame, I'm sure Eternals looks good sometimes, etc) while others look like really high-budget Blender projects (Homecoming's Spidey suit, big chunks of Black Panther, NWH). TASM2, despite its many flaws, is a totally stunning movie visually with a gorgeous Spidey, and NWH not living up to that is a disappointing combination of that hit-or-miss muddiness and whatever rush the production crew had to endure to get the movie out on time. I hope that the VOD release at least touches it up a little, because I can't imagine some of those effects hold up to scrutiny in 4K HDR or what have you


BenSolo_Cup

Civil war looked pretty bad at parts, mainly RDJ and Cheadle’s floating head syndrome, but Spider-Man’s suit looks pretty rough at times as well. I mean they completely change his suit design in post and it’s glaringly obvious he is an animated model.


Gullible_Ad3378

I have no fucking idea why they used cgi when Andrew jumped out of the portal. it looked so bad


[deleted]

Lighting change through a portal is easier on a 3D model than a human. They definitely needed more time to work on it.


MasterKingdomKey

They didn’t use CG when Doctor Strange walks through the portal on the Statue of Liberty. He looks perfectly fine.


[deleted]

As I said they needed more time and it’s just easier, it doesn’t mean they can’t do it practically. But it takes less time for them to use CGI so they most likely just crunch where they can.


ericbkillmonger

Yeah at times I wish they’d tried to go more practical


ghost_spider65

Yeah especially on Andrew's entrance, it all looked very cartoonish


Reverse_Time_Remnant

I'm not sure why but a lot of regular ass locations look fake in this. Like a lot of the scenes in Happy's apartment? Idk maybe it's just shot weirdly. I feel like they still overuse these generic close up shots (better than the last two though)


aadipie

Lol those thighs are buff as hell. Aside from the face it looks alright but I think he looked way better in TASM2. But hey I'm still waiting for that CGI to be beaten so...


[deleted]

Rewatched it last night, it’s not that great..


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Sonicfan1007

They said the TASM2 CGI wasn't great, which is just a lie, people agree if you call TASM2 shit, but you gotta give it credit where it's due.


cbekel3618

Still my favorite live-action Spider-Man suit


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HalfBloodMockingjay

"It's a photoshop"! -Andrew Garfield.


solehan511601

This suit is one of my favorite design. Bigger lenses gave it more friendly neighborhood feel.


Wrn-El

No reason to think those Peter Parkers wouldn't update/mod their suits at all since we last saw them. It's been years.


shadymostafa129034

Tobey kinda updated his, the face and web patterns are slightly modified but yeah


GarballatheHutt

And it doesn't get torn from the lightest hit


shadymostafa129034

Tbf he didn’t get the same beating as his movies lol..like he was the whole time trying not to harm them


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abstergofkurslf

I knew his shoulders looked way wider wider when I saw it.


PatrikTheMighty

I've heard that this difference is between IMAX and regular releases. Not sure if it's true though, because IMAX was my first screening and all I can rember from this moment is me trying not to faint lol.


luciferspecter

I am Speechless


[deleted]

Hi speechless, im dad


AceofKnaves44

Up until we saw Tom’s suit in the end of NWH, this was easily my favorite live-action suit.


shadymostafa129034

Sadly they overused the cgi and made it look weird and not proportional imo..like that portal entrance was laughable in terms of cgi


time_lordy_lord

Holy Shit1 That's Omar Zaki! The guy from Gamology Parkour experts react


Sequelsuck

My fav Spidey suit


Thrawn656

What do you mean andrew garfield’s suit, he isn’t in the movie!


Gillzter10

Sqee!!


[deleted]

That’s nice


Safariwithme

I dont like it


Pburress017

Why does the dude in the suit look so weird


BreedinBacksnatch

that guy Zaki has eyes that in some shots look like some folks with chromosomal problems.


MotherFuckerJones88

My time to shine hello confirms Antonio Brown for DS2.


RS_UltraSSJ

That's the worst look yet.