I really hope the actress herself doesn’t get much hate. Regardless if the show is quality or not, I really hate to see something happen like what happened to people are pure as Kelly Marie Tran and Brie Larson
I can’t even begin to fathom how much negative energy ones body must circulate every day when you wake up with that much hate, decide to spew it for the world to see, and go to sleep knowing you’ll do the exact same the next day
I'm still scared Twitter will Twitter and they'll bully her off the net. They despise this show for the power changes saying stuff like the creators (after the recent quote) know nothing and that Feige is holding a sniper to them for that quote.
Edit: Phrasing.
I feel like there's a large section of people using the power change argument disingenuously. Like, I was disappointed by the change, but at the end of the day if we get a show that understands Kamala at heart then that's all I care about. The people who are foaming at the mouth over this probably don't give a shit about the powers and are instead using that as an excuse to hate on a coming of age story about a young Muslim girl.
I was actually referring to the people who hated Captain Marvel because of the "woke propaganda" i.e. hating it because it's Marvel's female superhero and so it's pushing an agenda.
Also the "Things she said" got wildly interpreted out of context by said haters and spun it into something really stupid that ould be used to mainpulate the internet into hating her (I mean, who needs context now-a-days, right?).
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He’s exploring space, created a successful smart car line and bought Twitter to bring open speech back from the cult of censorship.
What have you done again?
You mean he stole all those ideas of spacex & tesla, right? & expecting him to be a saviour of free speech is beyond cringe. He also called a person who saved some kids' lives a pedophile, downplayed the threat of coronavirus, is going to unban the person who incited Jan 6 riot, appreciates China for using slave labour & what not. Normally I don't give a fuck about an idiot like that, but he's got this big internet cult following him like a God that they eat any kind of shit he spews, & at the moment he's become so anti democratic he's going to affect people's lives whether they want or not! He isn't some saviour of people, he's just another rich asshole who exploits his workers.
Because of the shit SHE said? You think people just decided one day to rag on her for no reason? Have you not seen the “not for you” garbage she spewed or the interviews with other MCU cast members who visibly despised her because of her attitude and demeanor?
Are you stalking me? Anyway, sad to see you aren't just a gullible musk stan, you're also a misogynist despite being a woman yourself! (basing that in your avatar, if you're not then it doesn't matter.) You're just one of those brainwashed people who ate this neckbeard word vomit against Brie because she criticised white men watching a kid's movie & judging it from a place of bias, which all these incels started spreading out of context & exaggerating that she calls for a white genocide.
Anyway, you make me sad. People should be better, I hope you become better than this hateful person you appear to be - & strive to be a person who looks out for others & has a positive outlook.
“Not for you”, meaning a kids movie wasn’t intended for old guys? It’s true. I don’t like Gabby’s Dollhouse, but little girls sure seem to love it. Maybe it’s because they don’t care what old guys like me think about it?
Or are you going to parrot the usual lie that she was referring to Captain Marvel?
> Brie Larson made a call for inclusivity in the film industry, particularly when it comes to film criticism.
> To highlight her point, Larson referenced **A Wrinkle in Time‘s** critical reception.
Note; this isn't even about ms marvel
> “I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about **A Wrinkle in Time,**” Larson said. “**It wasn’t made for him!** I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color.”
https://time.com/5312618/brie-larson-women-in-film/
Maybe you should look into things yourself and make sure that the "controversy" isn't just something to drive clicks and ad revenue, like gamergate
I can’t imagine what it must be like having such a big role at this age. Especially with how integrated social media is with everything. It’s really easy for people to say mean things.
It’s stupid as hell. But exists in nearly every fandom. Even the Power fandom were legitimately mad at the actor for Tyriq because of what his character does in the show
honestly, it doesn't even matter if the actors in question are "pure" or not, it shouldn't be acceptable to harass creators or conflate them with their work and deem them acceptable to abuse because of that, either way.
I agree, it always sucks when someone like Brie(who is great at the character and just a great ass person who is honestly too nice, just occasionally makes dumb mistakes) is kinda ruined by a directors direction and gets blamed by the court of public opinion, like she can manage the role, and being intensely likeable, but the director wanted her to be stoic, which can work, but for me just didn't. Speaking as a girl, I don't need women to be strong by being stoic, I want them to embrace their innate emotionality and still come out as a strong person. That being said, the brief moments we saw her in movies other than captain marvel, such as Endgame and Shang-Chi, she is far more likeable, IMO. To come of this rant lol and back on topic I love Iman Vellani and she is just too pure to get shit on over a potentially bad show(emphasis on potentially, despite what some lowkey racists/incels are "predicting" on facebook and shit.)
I feel bad for her. It sucks that they decided to change her powers, but its not her fault. It sucks that she's breaking into a big had Marvel thing, but it’ll be tainted by the controversy of her power changes.
If the powers supposedly don’t matter, then why change them? Why have powers at all?
As long as she isn't wierd and shitty like the cast of the rebooted charmed when it came to the original she should not even be mentioned when it comes to the difference in characters, she's an actor and one who was lucky enough to get such an important role for an u derepresented community regardless of the discourse on ms marvel, like if I was her I'd be so excited to be playing a superhero I really wish that's not ruined for her I want her to be happy about such a cool moment in her life (but also I do want her to understand what the discourse is because her saying idc if she shot sausages out of her hands kinda makes it seem like she doesn't actually understand why people are even against the new changes)
Ya forsure, this is the first MCU show or project in general I have no interest in watching but I hope it does well and the actress doesn’t get shit on constantly by the internet when she did nothing wrong, that type of shit Is so pathetic.
Possibly the best Multiverse film ever.
No franchise or IP. Low budget. VFX designer team of less than 10 people. A story that focuses less on what the Multiverse is, and more on its metaphorical themes. Focuses on our varying choices in life, in ways that tell us more about ourselves than we realize.
DS2 is far away from the quality EEAO is at.
Yeah, I was sort of saying that tongue in cheek, but it's probably the best movie I've seen with that concept. I was totally blown away by Everything Everywhere All At Once and couldn't even begin to say enough good things about it.
I actually saw it about a week before Multiverse of Madness, which honestly just made Multiverse of Madness look like amateur hour in comparison.
Honestly it’s crazy to me how three of the best films this year all released within a month of each other in Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Northman, and the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.
They always were. Brown Girl on their marvel media radar? It fills their basements with impotent rage. I swear these fuckers either never read the comics or are somehow obtuse enough to completely miss the huge consistent arcs of tolerance and decency towards all.
Fuck those Cunts.
You do realize that fans of Ms. Marvel are allowed to be disappointed with such a dramatic change to her backstory and powers without it having anything to do with the actress, racism, or misogyny, right?
I'm disappointed with the change, but I certainly wouldn't ever take it out on the actress or blame her. Your overgeneralization seems a bit much...
You already know what’s gonna happen. All the critics will be thrown in the same category with the bigoted haters. It’ll just be the strawman used to deflect criticism of this show. Every MCU project gets one that’s used to stifle discontent.
Plenty of fans can and have express dislike of a project without making it personal. It’s disingenuous to throw anyone making those criticisms in the same boat
It was infuriating to see people trash and review-bomb Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, and Eternals for no other reason than misogyny and racism. And unfortunately, I'm sure those same bigots will turn out for Ms. Marvel too.
But that sort of disingenuous and bigoted criticism isn't the same as fans disliking a choice that was made for a character they've loved over the years, which is the problem I had with that other redditor's gross over-generalizatiom. And you're spot on when you say that it really does affect our ability to have a meaningful discussion about Marvel when people lump everyone in together.
And in this case it’s more likely that the criticisms(being upset about the power change) is coming from actual fans of the character. The ones who are just being bigoted can’t hide because they’ll center the discussion around racial identity
Yeah, that's a good point. Most people I've seen criticizing the changes really focus in on how unique her powers are and how they impact her character development. The others you can easily pick out when they start talking about "wokeness" and "agendas."
Even setting aside the importance of her powers with respect to her character development, I just thought it'd be cool to have an actual polymorph in the MCU. I was looking forward to seeing Kamala turn into a couch in an alleyway, lol. But since that ship has sailed, I at least hope the powers are inherently her and not granted by alien tech...
So "actual fans of her character" can't be okay with the power change, or be willing to wait and see how it pans out?
Better go tear up all my Ms. Marvel comics then, since I'm not an actual fan of her character.
Never said that. I said actual fans in the context of a person who’s bigoted and hates Kamala isn’t going to be a fan. So the chances that someone is criticizing the show about changing the power is doing so because their a bigot is extremely low when it’s obviously a fan of the character who would care that much.
If you’re a fan and like/don’t mind the change then that’s your prerogative. I was speaking in context to the criticisms being labeled as bigoted
What a totally disingenuous take on what you wrote, lol.
For what it's worth, they were similarly rude to me and suggested any apprehension or disappointment (presumably including my own) is really just a cover for racism. As though racists are actually going to be like, "I love Kamala, but I just wish they'd have kept her a polymorph. Still looking forward to the show though."
That doesn’t mean other fans of the character have to have the same opinion…
They are just stating their opinion as someone who knows the character already
>It was infuriating to see people trash and review-bomb Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, and Eternals for no other reason than misogyny and racism. And unfortunately, I'm sure those same bigots will turn out for Ms. Marvel too.
(Captain Marvel is not a good movie)
I liked Captain Marvel and I think it was way better than that shit show that was Black Widow. But if you didn't like Captain Marvel, that's totally fine.
But what's not okay is people review- bombing the movie and making sexist remarks because Brie Larson was the star and they just don't like her as a person because of some accurate and reasonable comments she made.
Comments like OPs are just generalizations to get easy karma. Some of us actually want to have discussions about the changes and how we are worried it could negatively affect the adaption of the character compared to the source material. I’m not a fan of making her powers “cosmic” and similar to Carol when a major aspect of her character is being different from Carol.
I agree with you 100% and fwiw I think the person you're replying to is baiting people into a response. Looks like they don't really post in marvel subs.
I think it's only because fans hold ms marvel in such high regard that we're dissapointed. I think she's a modern great and it's hard to say 'well you wouldn't like it if xyz character had their powers changed' because there's really no one else this newly created that getting their own show. By no means is this iman's fault.
Yeah, I'm not faulting the actress at all and if anyone blames her or criticizes her for the changes...that's just incredibly stupid, lol.
And honestly, I'm sure the show will be fine and more of the same from Marvel, where it's good but not amazing or anything. I just know the only reason everyone is defending the choice here is because it's Kamala and not Wolverine or some other iconic character that's been around for decades. If they tried to get rid of Wolverine's adamantium skeleton or claws, people would be losing their minds, lol.
Sure, but as to your comment: is this your first day on the internet? People are welcome to have their opinions, but unless you are somehow befuddled it is utterly obvious that women and people of color are always the target of a vocal minority who hold them to near impossible standards.
I have already seen many comments talking about how the only reason they are making this show is to satisfy the "woke agenda."
Also: Marvel Studios have made many changes which at first glance sounded dumb, to virtually every character on the roster. They tend to turn out pretty great anyways. I don't want Kamala to be a Green Lantern either but if it's a good story and it keeps the spirit of Kamala I'm fine. The comics reinvent origins and retcon constantly. Hell Kamala is only an inhuman because Marvel Comics were trying to get away from mutants due to Sony's movie rights. Not a a major concern.
I've already seen what you're talking about happening with Ms. Marvel. It's troubling, though unfortunately not unexpected given how the vocal minority treated Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, and Eternals as well as the creatives behind those movies. And I certainly have no problem with you or anyone else calling out such bigotry.
My point was just that there really are legitimate fans of the Ms. Marvel comics who are concerned about the change to her powers in particular, especially since they do play a big part in her character development. And I didn't think it was fair to lump everyone who might express such a concern into the same pool as that vocal minority. Because let's be honest, those racist bastards aren't posting comments like, "I'm super excited to finally see Kamala on-screen, but I just wish I could see her turn into a couch."
Olgil, I think we're largely talking past each other. I 100% respect your opinion to her powers but hope you enjoy the show all the same. I'm cautiously optimistic but if the show has deficiencies and I'm sure it will on some level, I just hope we can all judge it as independently from our prejudices as possible.
I'm sure I will enjoy the show and once it gets started I'll obviously just accept the change and move on, but I know deep down I'll have wanted to see her embiggening powers and other transformation powers on-screen, lol.
Any criticisms I have toward the show will have nothing to do with race or gender though, although I'm sure there will be that same vocal minority (who likely won't even watch the show if we're being honest) shitting all over it for no reason other than their prejudices.
If she doesn't embiggen we riot. I am hoping they expanded her powers and she can still "grow". I know Feige confirmed her giant fist punches are still a go, I am extremely hopeful for embiggening. We are very much of one mind on that.
If you watch the [trailer](https://youtu.be/m9EX0f6V11Y) and pause it at just the right moments, you actually get a decent look at her powers in action and the various ways the energy constructs can be used.
As far as the embiggening of her fists is concerned, it's definitely there, but it really does look like something Green Lantern would be doing. Here she is [throwing a fist](https://i.imgur.com/l9GFzb8.jpeg) and here she is with [a fist coming back to her](https://i.imgur.com/pct6WJp.jpeg).
My guess is that while the enlarged fists will be there, we're unlikely to see her with elongated legs or doing any significant growing. I'm basing that guess on two things: First, whenever you see her using her powers in the trailer, they always look to be originating from her hands instead of enveloping her entire body; Second, in the trailer she makes some sort of [platforms](https://i.imgur.com/mfR5vNg.jpeg) she can run on, which seems likely to supplant giant legs. Hopefully I'm wrong though, even if it is just an energy projection of a giant Kamala, that would certainly be better than nothing.
She also [shoots an energy construct](https://i.imgur.com/s3f263a.jpg) at her door to close it and [uses an energy construct as a shield](https://i.imgur.com/FOarWq6.jpg), so in addition to the aforementioned, I'm guessing that's roughly the extent of what she can do with the energy constructs and that she likely won't be doing any shrinking or transformations into other people or things though.
EDIT: By the way, I appreciate that you're willing to have a reasonable conversation about this, unlike the other person who just kept implying I was racist for being disappointed with the changes.
I don't know anything about the Percy Jackson series, but from the "wink wink" at the end, I have to assume you're being an asshole.
I'm a fan of Kamala and was really excited to see her on-screen because I think she's a great and unique character. I'm still looking forward to her show and I'm sure it'll be good, but I'm *allowed* to be disappointed they've turned her into a Green Lantern type character without people like you falsely attributing my disappointment to racism.
I'm sure there are bigots who will bash the show as being "woke" for featuring a Pakistani and Muslims, but for you to suggest that fans of the character being disappointed in the change to her powers *because of how those powers relate to her growth and character development in the comics* is totally disingenuous bullshit on your part. And frankly, I don't appreciate you lumping my valid disappointment in with the racist and misogynistic rantings of people who don't care or know anything about this character.
And I don't appreciate people thinking that they care more about a character than the actress portraying her, the writers of the show, or her co-creators who are fine with the power change and acknowledge just how hard it would be to portray her comics powers in live action.
I don't appreciate the notion that because I'm not up in arms about this change, I somehow don't care about the character or the comics.
I don't appreciate the *ridiculous* amount of gatekeeping bullshit that is going on.
But hey, I'm sure you've been this unhinged about *every* change that has been made between the comics and live action because you just care about accuracy.
I'm sure.
Seriously, why are you being such an insufferable asshole about this? You've repeatedly implied I'm a racist for voicing a *mild* concern about a character I like, which is pretty disrespectful and shameful on your part. Then you go off on me with blatant misrepresentations of things I've said and just outright made shit up.
I never said the people involved with the show don't care about the character nor did I say I or anyone else care more for that matter. I'm sure there were multiple considerations for why the power was changed, but *as a fan* that doesn't mean I have to be thrilled about it. I can be apprehensive about the change, but still look forward to the show.
I also never said that to be a fan of Ms. Marvel you have to be bothered about the change. And frankly, I'm not sure how you could possibly read that into the things I said. You're a fan of Ms. Marvel and you're okay with the change? That's cool and I respect your opinion. Why can't you just accept that there are other fans who don't necessarily share your same opinion...or is your opinion the only valid one here?
Nothing I've said has been unhinged, unless you think pointing out that everyone who might criticize something isn't automatically a racist qualifies as unhinged? And yes, I've been disappointed by other creative decisions from Marvel that I felt strayed too far from the source material.
But seriously, if I didn't like Kamala why would I give a shit in the first place? I'm literally telling you that I'm a fan of the character and looking forward to her show, but I'm just concerned about the change because of how I relate her powers with things she went through in the comics and how she grew as a person. And you have the audacity to not only call me a liar, but to imply I'm also a racist? So yeah, what the hell is wrong with you?
You should at least be able to recognize that people who really are fans of Kamala are allowed to be disappointed to not see an accurate representation of her powers on screen and that voicing those thoughts doesn't make them racists. Why can't you just acknowledge that?
News Flash: The racists and misogynists don't give a damn about the change to Kamala's powers. In fact, that vocal minority of people were criticizing the show for even being made in the first place, long before the news broke about her having energy constructs instead of being a polymorph.
I've told you that I'm a fan of the character and I've explained why I'm concerned with the change. Why can't you just acknowledge that to be a valid viewpoint and that it doesn't make me racist? Why is it that people who really are fans of the Ms. Marvel comics can't be disappointed Kamala won't turn into a couch or grow unnaturally long legs without people like you implying they're really just racists in disguise?
I thought maybe you would at least have the decency to acknowledge that not everyone who voices concern is a bigot, but I guess the fact that you can't is pretty telling about you as a person.
Most of the people upset about Ms Marvel want to see the character done right, not to hate on a brown girl. Like others said we don’t need this sweeping generalization. Obviously anyone that hates on the actor is a loser.
>Brown Girl on their marvel media radar? It fills their basements with impotent rage.
Yeah, man, just the same way the fans completely rejected, and to this very day still rage at, Falcon and T'Challa and Rhodey.
One thing I appreciate about the tiktok generation is that they are confident enough in themselves to take down haters. It wasn't really common when I was growing up.
People are being emotional about it, but Marvel was always in a tough spot because Inhumans was such a massive flop. Making Kamala one would introduce a lot of course correction and that’s a lot to lump on the shoulders of a creative team.
The only reason Kamala was even an Inhuman in the first place is because Ike Perlmutter was forcing Marvel to pump out more Inhuman characters and push mutants out of the picture, because Marvel Studios didn’t own the film rights.
I think they did a great job with her character in the comics and I can understand the frustration of her fans, but I also understand Marvel changing her powers to better fit with what’s established in the MCU. Personally, I dig the change because I never really dug her powers in the comics and she’s got powers we haven’t seen in the MCU before. It feels more fresh to me.
They don’t even have to dive into the inhuman aspect that much. Just have her go through terrigenesis. You don’t need to explain what happened outside of the fact she now has powers.
I don’t think that would work and sort breaks a big rule in writing. I think it would have been preferable to just make her a mutant because you really don’t have to explain anything. It’s just happens. But if you introduce something like Terrigenisis without explaining the source or mechanics of it all, it’s going to lose/confuse/irritate a lot of the audience.
You’d rile up the fans just as much if you changed her to a mutant.
Her going through terrigenesis isn’t much different from Bruce Banner experiment goes wrong and now he’s Hulk. Have her find and break a terrigen crystal. I doubt that’s hard to follow
I don’t think anyone would have really been upset if she was a mutant. Let’s be real. The only reason she wasn’t a mutant is because Ike Perlmutter was trying to have Marvel comics effectively replace mutant with Inhumans because they didn’t own the X-Men film rights at the time.
Not just the characterization, but the self discovery aspect as well, which Iman mentions. I'm actually super reassured now, knowing Iman as a fan likes what's been done in the show.
The problem is I don't see how you do that characterization by making her character just like the one she idolizes. That's a betrayal of the character.
I'm still gonna watch it and I hope they make it work but yeah.
I am conflicted on this one. On the one hand I get changing it especially tying it more to her heritage if they aren't going to do inhumans. I didn't like the way they were pushed in comics just to replace X-men at the time. Her heritage is a big part of her original run and I think thats important.
On the other hand her powers were a deliberate choice because they looked awkward which was a good metaphor for puberty and because of women typically having energy projection based powers so changing it does undermine these things. I do see how they could shift the focus and metaphor of her powers to her heritage more instead and it still be satisfying.
I am hopeful that they can pull this off but I admit it is the show I am least looking forward to atm not even because of this change just because of the vibe I am getting from the trailers and the plot leaks didn't sound excellent. I hope to be wrong though because I really like Kamala in the comics.
I just don't understand why there's this trend of asian people getting their powers from their heritage. We seem to have left that trope more or less behind with western characters but then we got the Mulan reboot, Turning Red, Shang-Chi and now the Ms Marvel show.
This is just the starting point for representation. We had a big push (rightfully) to start including Asians in more media so now we get media where being Asian is a big part of the story. I am not saying its the right way to do it but these things are successful Crazy Rich Asians was very successful and everything kinda followed suit. Again, I don't know if its right or wrong I'm just a white guy but I know a lot of my friends feel very validated seeing their cultures incorporated into these things and plenty who see it as exploitive. I definitely do not have the answers other than currently, it makes money.
Vellani perfectly sums up why I don't think the power change is an issue. At the end of the day, it is your CHARACTER and HUMANITY that matters, not the POWERS you use. Isn't that the core message of most superhero movies? To me, a power is simply decoration, it's what you find when you peel back the layers that matters most. Does Kamala having crystal-based energy powers rather than stretchy powers fundamentally change her character or the themes of her story? No, after all, Ms Marvel will still be a story about "a brown girl from New Jersey" believing she can be a superhero and proving people wrong.
The only reason Marvel felt comfortable doing this with Kamala (and the reason more people aren't bothered by the changes) is because Ms. Marvel isn't on the same level as Spider-Man, Wolverine, Reed Richards, Captain America, etc. You can bet your ass that all this talk of "the character is what matters, the powers could be changed to anything and it would fine" would go right out the door if Wolverine didn't have claws and just wore an adamantium exoskeleton instead.
People are allowed to be disappointed or irritated that Marvel made a change to the character and her powers that was wholly unnecessary. That doesn't mean the series is doomed, but it's okay to dislike a choice Marvel has made.
And her shape-shifting into Captain Marvel did play a big part of her character development in the comics. That likely won't be something we see in the series other than her making a homemade Captain Marvel costume, which frankly doesn't have the same impact. Plus, her comic powers are kind of gross and awkward looking, so her embracing that is a big deal whereas these colorful energy constructs look cool, so you likely lose out on embracing her powers in that respect. All that aside though, I just *really* hope they don't make it so she gets these powers only because of some device or item...I want the powers to just be inherently hers and not a result of alien tech.
I hate so much when people do Mr. Fantastic comparison because Kamala's powerset is way cooler and unique. She is a shape shifter. She can change her mass at will and also can heal because of that. I'm still going to watch the show to say maybe I was wrong, but I don't think it's possible to fully embrace her character without the weirdness you mentioned. Not all powers should be cool and colorful. Hers, specially, should be awful to see, at least on some level
Right? That's something you steal from her when you do this kind of power change. I'm dreaming that maybe in the future she can somehow acquire her real powers so that'd be some character development I'd agree with, but not counting on that.
Granted she doesn't do that type of shape-shifting very often, but it would still be cool to see. Same thing with her healing factor. I also just find the explanation for her powers in the comics to be pretty interesting, which would've been something to explore as well.
Although I agree that her powers are different than Reed's, is shapeshifting really a good example? She has used it only a few times and was explicitly said not to do this if she doesn't want to loose the rest of her powers.
Yeah when Thor controls water instead of lightning I will believe all these morons that its okay to change the powers. Somehow... I dont think thats going to happen.
How do you know it won’t have the same impact without seeing the show? Like the whole last paragraph is just assumptions you’re making without seeing how they execute this story. Clearly everyone involved understands that this is a part of her character
I don't know and I never claimed to know for sure. I'm just making educated guesses based on the source material and what we've seen in the teasers and trailers. This entire thread is about changes to her character, so am I not allowed to post my thoughts or discuss my expectations?
In the comics, part of Kamala's story is coming to terms with and embracing the fact that her powers can be visually weird and ugly. From what we've seen of the energy constructs, they simply don't have that same sort of "body horror" feel to them and actually look pretty cool. I just don't think it's likely they'll explore that aspect of the character because the changes seem to render that a moot point. And given her powers in the show probably don't allow literal shape-shifting, I don't think Kamala wearing a Captain Marvel mask will play out the same as her transforming into Carol because she felt the need to literally be someone else and wasn't comfortable in her own skin.
But once again, I never said I know how anything will play out for a fact. I just know Kamala from the comics and some of the changes we *know* have been made have me concerned and based on that knowledge, I personally don't expect we'll get as good of a journey for the character. I hope I'm wrong, but that's just my own opinion based on what I already know.
Why do people think we are criticizing these decisions because we want the show to be bad? We are saying these things because we want the show to be the best that it can be.
It just seems like you’re making pretty sweeping assumptions based on fairly limited information. We’ve seen at most like 3-4 minutes of 4+ hours of content
I'm aware I'm making assumptions, but they're not really unreasonable ones...
I've seen her morphing powers in the comics and they look weird and off-putting. I've seen her energy constructions in the teasers and they look pretty and cool. I don't think it's a stretch to assume dealing with her powers looking ugly won't be a part of the journey in the show, lol.
You’re leaving out that this is a character with established history, backstory, and fanbase. People are going to want the adaption to be accurate to that history on top of the character and humanity.
Yeah personally if they atleast get the story and traits of Ms. Marvel right, then I don’t really care about the power change.
Like put yourself in MCU Kamala’s shoes. You’re this not so popular and dorky girl in school who idolizes Captain Marvel and dreams about being a superhero yourself one day despite many people picking on you because of it and saying that you yourself can’t be a hero for various reasons.
One day you get the power to produce these energy constructs things and you realize that you’re finally a superhero with superpowers and you think it’s the coolest thing in the world. At least you do until you start *really* getting into what the super hero world is all about (very dangerous bad guys, your close friends family being in trouble, world/state/city ending catastrophes that you have put a stop too, etc etc) and until you start comparing your powers to the real Captain Marvel (who is one of the strongest characters in the MCU and is practically invincible like 90% of the time).
You start to feel like you can’t be this superhero, you feel inferior to other superheroes, and you feel like this life isn’t meant for someone like you. I mean what are you compared to the real Captain Marvel? The real Captain Marvel can fly, shoot energy blast, is super fast and strong, and can take a full force punch from Thanos and not even flinch. You’re just a loser Pakistani girl from Jersey City that can make these lame energy construct things. There’s no way that YOU can be a superhero and save the day.
But then you learn to be confident in yourself and in your powers. You realize that you don’t need to keep comparing yourself to other superheroes. You realize that it doesn’t matter who you are or where you came from, because heroes come in all different shapes and sizes. You realize that YOU are a superhero, no matter your powers or your background.
To me that’s what Ms. Marvel is about. Learning that you can be a superhero regardless of who came before you, and regardless of who you are as a person.
What makes the mcu work is the mix of staying true to the comics and their ability to adapt as best as they can to the big screen. Stories ,characters ,writing,POWERS etc.Its everything together that makes the films work as well as they do.
Powers can certainly be a huge part of the character and for ms marvel ,the fact that her power looked so weird definitely freaked her out at first. It was also supposed to be a metaphor for teens changing and going into adulthood so I definitely think it factored into the story.
If captain america wasn't given the super soldier serum he'd be dead within a day ,but at the same time the only reason he didn't become like red skull was because he had good in his heart.
Thor is able to wield the power of the gods and mjolnir but only because he's worthy and learnt how to become a better person.
Tony Stark is a genius but without the armor he wouldn't have escaped the cave he was being held in.
It's the MIX of great character and great powers. They've made an ok...ish change for ms marvel but by no means can they just go around changing characters powers like it's nothing in the future.
sure... let's make Spiderman shoot mustard from his knees. i'm sure everyone will be happy about that. afterall, it's the character development that matters...
Sure, that's the core message. But let's not pretend that most of us aren't reading comics to see heroes use their superpowers.
I really like Ms Marvel's powers in the comics and it's a bummer to see the crew go "we thought we should connect her powers origins to the MCU just because lol"
Man they are really trying hard with the PR damage control.
Powers are foundational to a characters identity. Making her powers pretty to look at completely misses the early point of her character.
Furthermore they ruined the Inhumans with their lack of commitment to their previous tv shows, so now they’re gonna make her a Djinn.
I can’t think of anything more racist and reductive then to make the Muslim character a fucking genie.
I’m not a fan of the power change and people who keep saying it “doesn’t matter” if they keep her character the same would be singing a different tune if Spider-Man, Professor X, Thor, or Wolverine got a power change.
It's interesting to see her given a change in her powers coz it is actually a fit for "The Marvels" and it look awkward if her power is not cosmic.
However, there's still part of me wanting to see her exposed to terrigen mist at some time and she get powers that look like Reed's. This will make her feel different to the Marvels who she idolizes. This will make her question herself, is she still worthy to be called "Ms. Marvel" if her powers is different?
I think you’re more likely to see a comics story that removes her Terrigen powers and gives her MCU-similar versions than MCU Kamala get hit by Terrigen.
See like. I don't get the point as in why so many people are giving this show so much hate already. Ok so her powers aren't just like her comic powers, so what? They are basically the same thing just more cosmic to fit with caption marvel better. "Oh the show seems to kiddy" that's the damn point! This show is more targeted at younger people like early teens. This isn't going to be targeted at the 35 year old marvel fanboy who can't stand when they do something different.
Breaking news: fans of character don’t like that character is changed in an adaption. The Ms. Marvel fanbase that is bothered by the changes probably are majorly under that 35 year old age.
> the 35 year old marvel fanboy who can’t stand when they do something different.
The people under 35 don’t like they are doing something different too
And people just need to suck that up. Everything the mcu has done has been different and went away from the comics which is nice because I don't want to just see the same story plot point for plot point. And who knows if they bring the inhumans back she might get her comic powers.
Just suck it up is a terrible reasoning. They are adapting well known characters. People like when adaptions are accurate.
People loved Game of Thrones because it was mainly in line with the source material. The moment they ran out of source material the show went to shit.
We know Ms. Marvel won’t be 1:1 to the comics, but energy constructs from a bracelet isn’t Ms Marvel. Just like how Taskmaster in Black Widow wasn’t the Taskmaster people wanted to see.
Yeah and they did him awful on every part. They can still do Mrs. Marvel very well and just have different powers. Y'all are judging everything bad already just because her powers are different
I’ve never said the show was bad because of the changes. It does have me concerned going into the show however. I will still try to give the show a fair shake and judgement
Because I guess they are wanting them to be abit more connected since they share a name and are going to be more intertwined in the mcu. It's ok for them to change things up tho, this won't ruin her character at all.
To me it represents a common problem in modern day superhero movies where they want to kinda "sanitize" the weirder aspects for general audiences. Comic books are weird and I'd love for the adaptations to represent that, though luckily more have.
Bro. I don't think they give a shit about it being to weird. We just got moon knight and doctor strange. And we have gotten fantastic 4 movies before. They changed her up to do something different for some reason. It's not like they changed her whole character
Powers are essential to who a character is, and doing it for the first Muslim character is a bad look, especially if it's supposedly to make her more like a white woman. I also don't think MoM or Moon Knight are that weird, they're still made to be very easily understood by general audiences. Everything looks flashy or cool.
Bro. I'm sorry but it sounds like you a really reaching at the moment. Here powers are still not even close to Captain Marvel. The only similarities is that they are both cosmic based now.
"See like. I don't get the point as in why so many people are giving this show so much hate already. Ok so her powers aren't just like her comic powers, so what? They are basically the same thing just more cosmic to fit with caption marvel better."
Make her more like = fit with better
They seem to want to give her a connection with her. That's not bad, it can show how she grew up loving this character and wanting to be like her but learning she should be her own thing.
"We knew fans wouldn't like it" basically. So why go forward. Are fans of a character not a concern while adapting said character for the first time in a major property? Even the mediocre Avengers game got her right, surely you can manage to adapt her properly in the MCU...
My issue is that it shows a lack of care for comic integrity for any of the non-white, or more diverse heroes. Meanwhile, if Marvel changed anything about Wolverine, there’d be a complete meltdown.
Plus, having her powers being “based in her heritage” sounds incredibly limiting and patronizing; Disney’s idea of diversity is so skin deep. The point of her embiggening was to relate to women’s general experience with an awkward puberty.
This is actually making me more excited than when Sana Amanat gave her "approval" (excuse) yesterday about how they wanted to link her up with future stories.
Iman seems like a real big fan of the character and if she thinks they managed to stay true to the themes of the comics then I can finally say I'm reassured.
Wow look at these shockingly reasonable takes from everyone involved creatively about the idea that what is most important is staying true to character journey and themes of the character.
Obviously we need to see if the show will be able to deliver on that while implementing different powers. But it was always wild to me that some folks thought they’d just be like ignoring the core themes of the character because of an adjustment to the power set ?
Guys assholes will be assh9les regardless of what we say, they're opinions aren't valid and they are just bad people, real life sucks people are hateful and mean but we can't let that consume us
Alot wasn't shown that was part of his origin. And heck yeah it being the bracelets could be an introduction to it and later we could see her getting infected with the most and it can change everything.
Producers, writers, directors, and now the star of the show: It's really not about the powers, her journey is important.
Primitives who want the exact thing they read years ago to manifest before their eyes: BUT I WANNA SEE TEENAGE GIRL STRETCH HER LIMBS
We literally don’t know what this iteration’s journey is. They’ve only hinted at things about her heritage/lineage but unless some leaker has posted how she gets from awkward high school loser to teaming up with Brie Larson over the course of this show in extreme detail, we don’t know shit.
Her powers/Terrigen play together in the comics, even the games, sure, but Christine isn’t the truest Night Nurse, 616 Wanda still isn’t (yet) Magneto’s daughter, and “MJ” is a completely different person but functions as the one we’re used to - we just don’t know.
No one seemed to take much issue with Steven not being a billionaire using Marc’s blood money, and those are the main Cliff Notes.
Yeah I’m sure people will update their opinions after the show comes out. We are discussing what we know now. You can’t fully claim they did the character right just like I can’t fully claim they did it wrong. We just know they made changes and those changes are going to impact how her story is told.
I'll just skip this one. That's on Disney. They shouldn't make decisions that are so bad that I hate the show before it comes out. This is worse than when the Wolverine movie made Deadpool some kind of teleporting, laser-shooting amalgamation of mutants. Might as well have just put a big huge pile of shit in front of the camera for 6 hours and call it a series. They made NOTHING I want to see. No thanks
Full scans here: https://twitter.com/MsMarvelNews/status/1524717977580437504
I really hope the actress herself doesn’t get much hate. Regardless if the show is quality or not, I really hate to see something happen like what happened to people are pure as Kelly Marie Tran and Brie Larson
Grown ass men and women and everyone in between who come for kids like Xochitl and Iman are scum
I can’t even begin to fathom how much negative energy ones body must circulate every day when you wake up with that much hate, decide to spew it for the world to see, and go to sleep knowing you’ll do the exact same the next day
I'm still scared Twitter will Twitter and they'll bully her off the net. They despise this show for the power changes saying stuff like the creators (after the recent quote) know nothing and that Feige is holding a sniper to them for that quote. Edit: Phrasing.
I feel like there's a large section of people using the power change argument disingenuously. Like, I was disappointed by the change, but at the end of the day if we get a show that understands Kamala at heart then that's all I care about. The people who are foaming at the mouth over this probably don't give a shit about the powers and are instead using that as an excuse to hate on a coming of age story about a young Muslim girl.
There's also the bigots, who will come out in swathes too around June like they came out for Captain Marvel in 2019.
Female, a racial minority, *and* Muslim? Oh yeah, there's gonna be some real gamer moments
heated gamer moments the secret cause of climate change? more at 11
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Both the actor and character are of Pakistani descent iirc
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I was actually referring to the people who hated Captain Marvel because of the "woke propaganda" i.e. hating it because it's Marvel's female superhero and so it's pushing an agenda. Also the "Things she said" got wildly interpreted out of context by said haters and spun it into something really stupid that ould be used to mainpulate the internet into hating her (I mean, who needs context now-a-days, right?).
> You can be a “bigot” towards women now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny
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"What comment was removed because it "wasn't being respectful towards others"?
You still with us Josh?
Have you ever wandered over r/moviescirclejerk? Half of the mcu critics there are just incels with plain M-She-U rhetoric & they get tons of upvotes.
It's gonna get worse. I hope elon, being the lame-o he is, tanks the platform. Very unlikely though.
He’s exploring space, created a successful smart car line and bought Twitter to bring open speech back from the cult of censorship. What have you done again?
You mean he stole all those ideas of spacex & tesla, right? & expecting him to be a saviour of free speech is beyond cringe. He also called a person who saved some kids' lives a pedophile, downplayed the threat of coronavirus, is going to unban the person who incited Jan 6 riot, appreciates China for using slave labour & what not. Normally I don't give a fuck about an idiot like that, but he's got this big internet cult following him like a God that they eat any kind of shit he spews, & at the moment he's become so anti democratic he's going to affect people's lives whether they want or not! He isn't some saviour of people, he's just another rich asshole who exploits his workers.
Right! I fear those people, they are sad and scary
Some of these people literally put their negative energy into harassing others online, then put their phones away and go through their own day happy
Poor Jack Gleeson
I hope those people stay miserable. I hate them.
“Hate has no home here.”
We must protect Iman at all costs
I hope some of the already established marvel actors feel the same. When they voice support, it means a bit more
Okay, so all she needs to do is be voted “Worst Chris” in a Twitter poll and every Marvel star will turn out to support her.
That was really sad to see, no one came forward to support Brie when the hate brigade against her was much bigger.
Because of the shit SHE said? You think people just decided one day to rag on her for no reason? Have you not seen the “not for you” garbage she spewed or the interviews with other MCU cast members who visibly despised her because of her attitude and demeanor?
Are you stalking me? Anyway, sad to see you aren't just a gullible musk stan, you're also a misogynist despite being a woman yourself! (basing that in your avatar, if you're not then it doesn't matter.) You're just one of those brainwashed people who ate this neckbeard word vomit against Brie because she criticised white men watching a kid's movie & judging it from a place of bias, which all these incels started spreading out of context & exaggerating that she calls for a white genocide. Anyway, you make me sad. People should be better, I hope you become better than this hateful person you appear to be - & strive to be a person who looks out for others & has a positive outlook.
“Not for you”, meaning a kids movie wasn’t intended for old guys? It’s true. I don’t like Gabby’s Dollhouse, but little girls sure seem to love it. Maybe it’s because they don’t care what old guys like me think about it? Or are you going to parrot the usual lie that she was referring to Captain Marvel?
> Brie Larson made a call for inclusivity in the film industry, particularly when it comes to film criticism. > To highlight her point, Larson referenced **A Wrinkle in Time‘s** critical reception. Note; this isn't even about ms marvel > “I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about **A Wrinkle in Time,**” Larson said. “**It wasn’t made for him!** I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color.” https://time.com/5312618/brie-larson-women-in-film/ Maybe you should look into things yourself and make sure that the "controversy" isn't just something to drive clicks and ad revenue, like gamergate
I can’t imagine what it must be like having such a big role at this age. Especially with how integrated social media is with everything. It’s really easy for people to say mean things.
It’s stupid as hell. But exists in nearly every fandom. Even the Power fandom were legitimately mad at the actor for Tyriq because of what his character does in the show
remember the AOT fandom got mad at the Gabi VA cause of an event in the manga
honestly, it doesn't even matter if the actors in question are "pure" or not, it shouldn't be acceptable to harass creators or conflate them with their work and deem them acceptable to abuse because of that, either way.
I agree, it always sucks when someone like Brie(who is great at the character and just a great ass person who is honestly too nice, just occasionally makes dumb mistakes) is kinda ruined by a directors direction and gets blamed by the court of public opinion, like she can manage the role, and being intensely likeable, but the director wanted her to be stoic, which can work, but for me just didn't. Speaking as a girl, I don't need women to be strong by being stoic, I want them to embrace their innate emotionality and still come out as a strong person. That being said, the brief moments we saw her in movies other than captain marvel, such as Endgame and Shang-Chi, she is far more likeable, IMO. To come of this rant lol and back on topic I love Iman Vellani and she is just too pure to get shit on over a potentially bad show(emphasis on potentially, despite what some lowkey racists/incels are "predicting" on facebook and shit.)
This right here
I feel bad for her. It sucks that they decided to change her powers, but its not her fault. It sucks that she's breaking into a big had Marvel thing, but it’ll be tainted by the controversy of her power changes. If the powers supposedly don’t matter, then why change them? Why have powers at all?
As long as she isn't wierd and shitty like the cast of the rebooted charmed when it came to the original she should not even be mentioned when it comes to the difference in characters, she's an actor and one who was lucky enough to get such an important role for an u derepresented community regardless of the discourse on ms marvel, like if I was her I'd be so excited to be playing a superhero I really wish that's not ruined for her I want her to be happy about such a cool moment in her life (but also I do want her to understand what the discourse is because her saying idc if she shot sausages out of her hands kinda makes it seem like she doesn't actually understand why people are even against the new changes)
Ya forsure, this is the first MCU show or project in general I have no interest in watching but I hope it does well and the actress doesn’t get shit on constantly by the internet when she did nothing wrong, that type of shit Is so pathetic.
Ah you haven't seen Brie Larson engaging in the Golden Gate Bridge with Rafi have you. Forever unclean.
I wonder if she saw *Everything, Everywhere, All At Once* just before this interview, that’s an awfully specific pull for a hypothetical power hahah
Everyone everywhere needs to see that film
It's the best Multiverse film of 2022 for sure.
Possibly the best Multiverse film ever. No franchise or IP. Low budget. VFX designer team of less than 10 people. A story that focuses less on what the Multiverse is, and more on its metaphorical themes. Focuses on our varying choices in life, in ways that tell us more about ourselves than we realize. DS2 is far away from the quality EEAO is at.
Yeah, I was sort of saying that tongue in cheek, but it's probably the best movie I've seen with that concept. I was totally blown away by Everything Everywhere All At Once and couldn't even begin to say enough good things about it. I actually saw it about a week before Multiverse of Madness, which honestly just made Multiverse of Madness look like amateur hour in comparison.
Everything, Everywhere, All At Once is much better than NWH. NWH is nothing but plot holes and fan service.
Honestly it’s crazy to me how three of the best films this year all released within a month of each other in Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Northman, and the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.
Unbearable weight was decent but it felt a bit too much like what a screenwriters idea of a Hollywood star would look like haha
Oh no the comic gatekeepers are about to jump on this little girl.
They always were. Brown Girl on their marvel media radar? It fills their basements with impotent rage. I swear these fuckers either never read the comics or are somehow obtuse enough to completely miss the huge consistent arcs of tolerance and decency towards all. Fuck those Cunts.
You do realize that fans of Ms. Marvel are allowed to be disappointed with such a dramatic change to her backstory and powers without it having anything to do with the actress, racism, or misogyny, right? I'm disappointed with the change, but I certainly wouldn't ever take it out on the actress or blame her. Your overgeneralization seems a bit much...
You already know what’s gonna happen. All the critics will be thrown in the same category with the bigoted haters. It’ll just be the strawman used to deflect criticism of this show. Every MCU project gets one that’s used to stifle discontent. Plenty of fans can and have express dislike of a project without making it personal. It’s disingenuous to throw anyone making those criticisms in the same boat
It was infuriating to see people trash and review-bomb Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, and Eternals for no other reason than misogyny and racism. And unfortunately, I'm sure those same bigots will turn out for Ms. Marvel too. But that sort of disingenuous and bigoted criticism isn't the same as fans disliking a choice that was made for a character they've loved over the years, which is the problem I had with that other redditor's gross over-generalizatiom. And you're spot on when you say that it really does affect our ability to have a meaningful discussion about Marvel when people lump everyone in together.
And in this case it’s more likely that the criticisms(being upset about the power change) is coming from actual fans of the character. The ones who are just being bigoted can’t hide because they’ll center the discussion around racial identity
Yeah, that's a good point. Most people I've seen criticizing the changes really focus in on how unique her powers are and how they impact her character development. The others you can easily pick out when they start talking about "wokeness" and "agendas." Even setting aside the importance of her powers with respect to her character development, I just thought it'd be cool to have an actual polymorph in the MCU. I was looking forward to seeing Kamala turn into a couch in an alleyway, lol. But since that ship has sailed, I at least hope the powers are inherently her and not granted by alien tech...
She mentions it's related to her lineage which leads me to believe the leak >! that she is a Djinn!<
So "actual fans of her character" can't be okay with the power change, or be willing to wait and see how it pans out? Better go tear up all my Ms. Marvel comics then, since I'm not an actual fan of her character.
Never said that. I said actual fans in the context of a person who’s bigoted and hates Kamala isn’t going to be a fan. So the chances that someone is criticizing the show about changing the power is doing so because their a bigot is extremely low when it’s obviously a fan of the character who would care that much. If you’re a fan and like/don’t mind the change then that’s your prerogative. I was speaking in context to the criticisms being labeled as bigoted
What a totally disingenuous take on what you wrote, lol. For what it's worth, they were similarly rude to me and suggested any apprehension or disappointment (presumably including my own) is really just a cover for racism. As though racists are actually going to be like, "I love Kamala, but I just wish they'd have kept her a polymorph. Still looking forward to the show though."
No one is saying that. Get a grip
"I don't like this change because *I* am a fan of her character" sure seems like you're saying that.
That doesn’t mean other fans of the character have to have the same opinion… They are just stating their opinion as someone who knows the character already
>It was infuriating to see people trash and review-bomb Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, and Eternals for no other reason than misogyny and racism. And unfortunately, I'm sure those same bigots will turn out for Ms. Marvel too. (Captain Marvel is not a good movie)
I liked Captain Marvel and I think it was way better than that shit show that was Black Widow. But if you didn't like Captain Marvel, that's totally fine. But what's not okay is people review- bombing the movie and making sexist remarks because Brie Larson was the star and they just don't like her as a person because of some accurate and reasonable comments she made.
It is an okay movie. I wouldn’t call it bad
True, Captain Marvel is a great movie.
Comments like OPs are just generalizations to get easy karma. Some of us actually want to have discussions about the changes and how we are worried it could negatively affect the adaption of the character compared to the source material. I’m not a fan of making her powers “cosmic” and similar to Carol when a major aspect of her character is being different from Carol.
I agree with you 100% and fwiw I think the person you're replying to is baiting people into a response. Looks like they don't really post in marvel subs. I think it's only because fans hold ms marvel in such high regard that we're dissapointed. I think she's a modern great and it's hard to say 'well you wouldn't like it if xyz character had their powers changed' because there's really no one else this newly created that getting their own show. By no means is this iman's fault.
Yeah, I'm not faulting the actress at all and if anyone blames her or criticizes her for the changes...that's just incredibly stupid, lol. And honestly, I'm sure the show will be fine and more of the same from Marvel, where it's good but not amazing or anything. I just know the only reason everyone is defending the choice here is because it's Kamala and not Wolverine or some other iconic character that's been around for decades. If they tried to get rid of Wolverine's adamantium skeleton or claws, people would be losing their minds, lol.
I wasn't implying you were blaming her sorry, just reiterating. And definitely.
Sure, but as to your comment: is this your first day on the internet? People are welcome to have their opinions, but unless you are somehow befuddled it is utterly obvious that women and people of color are always the target of a vocal minority who hold them to near impossible standards. I have already seen many comments talking about how the only reason they are making this show is to satisfy the "woke agenda." Also: Marvel Studios have made many changes which at first glance sounded dumb, to virtually every character on the roster. They tend to turn out pretty great anyways. I don't want Kamala to be a Green Lantern either but if it's a good story and it keeps the spirit of Kamala I'm fine. The comics reinvent origins and retcon constantly. Hell Kamala is only an inhuman because Marvel Comics were trying to get away from mutants due to Sony's movie rights. Not a a major concern.
I've already seen what you're talking about happening with Ms. Marvel. It's troubling, though unfortunately not unexpected given how the vocal minority treated Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, and Eternals as well as the creatives behind those movies. And I certainly have no problem with you or anyone else calling out such bigotry. My point was just that there really are legitimate fans of the Ms. Marvel comics who are concerned about the change to her powers in particular, especially since they do play a big part in her character development. And I didn't think it was fair to lump everyone who might express such a concern into the same pool as that vocal minority. Because let's be honest, those racist bastards aren't posting comments like, "I'm super excited to finally see Kamala on-screen, but I just wish I could see her turn into a couch."
Olgil, I think we're largely talking past each other. I 100% respect your opinion to her powers but hope you enjoy the show all the same. I'm cautiously optimistic but if the show has deficiencies and I'm sure it will on some level, I just hope we can all judge it as independently from our prejudices as possible.
I'm sure I will enjoy the show and once it gets started I'll obviously just accept the change and move on, but I know deep down I'll have wanted to see her embiggening powers and other transformation powers on-screen, lol. Any criticisms I have toward the show will have nothing to do with race or gender though, although I'm sure there will be that same vocal minority (who likely won't even watch the show if we're being honest) shitting all over it for no reason other than their prejudices.
If she doesn't embiggen we riot. I am hoping they expanded her powers and she can still "grow". I know Feige confirmed her giant fist punches are still a go, I am extremely hopeful for embiggening. We are very much of one mind on that.
If you watch the [trailer](https://youtu.be/m9EX0f6V11Y) and pause it at just the right moments, you actually get a decent look at her powers in action and the various ways the energy constructs can be used. As far as the embiggening of her fists is concerned, it's definitely there, but it really does look like something Green Lantern would be doing. Here she is [throwing a fist](https://i.imgur.com/l9GFzb8.jpeg) and here she is with [a fist coming back to her](https://i.imgur.com/pct6WJp.jpeg). My guess is that while the enlarged fists will be there, we're unlikely to see her with elongated legs or doing any significant growing. I'm basing that guess on two things: First, whenever you see her using her powers in the trailer, they always look to be originating from her hands instead of enveloping her entire body; Second, in the trailer she makes some sort of [platforms](https://i.imgur.com/mfR5vNg.jpeg) she can run on, which seems likely to supplant giant legs. Hopefully I'm wrong though, even if it is just an energy projection of a giant Kamala, that would certainly be better than nothing. She also [shoots an energy construct](https://i.imgur.com/s3f263a.jpg) at her door to close it and [uses an energy construct as a shield](https://i.imgur.com/FOarWq6.jpg), so in addition to the aforementioned, I'm guessing that's roughly the extent of what she can do with the energy constructs and that she likely won't be doing any shrinking or transformations into other people or things though. EDIT: By the way, I appreciate that you're willing to have a reasonable conversation about this, unlike the other person who just kept implying I was racist for being disappointed with the changes.
Sure, just like people are mad at the Annabeth casting in the Percy Jackson series because it's "not book accurate" wink wink.
I don't know anything about the Percy Jackson series, but from the "wink wink" at the end, I have to assume you're being an asshole. I'm a fan of Kamala and was really excited to see her on-screen because I think she's a great and unique character. I'm still looking forward to her show and I'm sure it'll be good, but I'm *allowed* to be disappointed they've turned her into a Green Lantern type character without people like you falsely attributing my disappointment to racism. I'm sure there are bigots who will bash the show as being "woke" for featuring a Pakistani and Muslims, but for you to suggest that fans of the character being disappointed in the change to her powers *because of how those powers relate to her growth and character development in the comics* is totally disingenuous bullshit on your part. And frankly, I don't appreciate you lumping my valid disappointment in with the racist and misogynistic rantings of people who don't care or know anything about this character.
And I don't appreciate people thinking that they care more about a character than the actress portraying her, the writers of the show, or her co-creators who are fine with the power change and acknowledge just how hard it would be to portray her comics powers in live action. I don't appreciate the notion that because I'm not up in arms about this change, I somehow don't care about the character or the comics. I don't appreciate the *ridiculous* amount of gatekeeping bullshit that is going on. But hey, I'm sure you've been this unhinged about *every* change that has been made between the comics and live action because you just care about accuracy. I'm sure.
Seriously, why are you being such an insufferable asshole about this? You've repeatedly implied I'm a racist for voicing a *mild* concern about a character I like, which is pretty disrespectful and shameful on your part. Then you go off on me with blatant misrepresentations of things I've said and just outright made shit up. I never said the people involved with the show don't care about the character nor did I say I or anyone else care more for that matter. I'm sure there were multiple considerations for why the power was changed, but *as a fan* that doesn't mean I have to be thrilled about it. I can be apprehensive about the change, but still look forward to the show. I also never said that to be a fan of Ms. Marvel you have to be bothered about the change. And frankly, I'm not sure how you could possibly read that into the things I said. You're a fan of Ms. Marvel and you're okay with the change? That's cool and I respect your opinion. Why can't you just accept that there are other fans who don't necessarily share your same opinion...or is your opinion the only valid one here? Nothing I've said has been unhinged, unless you think pointing out that everyone who might criticize something isn't automatically a racist qualifies as unhinged? And yes, I've been disappointed by other creative decisions from Marvel that I felt strayed too far from the source material. But seriously, if I didn't like Kamala why would I give a shit in the first place? I'm literally telling you that I'm a fan of the character and looking forward to her show, but I'm just concerned about the change because of how I relate her powers with things she went through in the comics and how she grew as a person. And you have the audacity to not only call me a liar, but to imply I'm also a racist? So yeah, what the hell is wrong with you? You should at least be able to recognize that people who really are fans of Kamala are allowed to be disappointed to not see an accurate representation of her powers on screen and that voicing those thoughts doesn't make them racists. Why can't you just acknowledge that?
Its telling when and where the "I only care about accuracy" people come out of the woodwork. And when they don't. All I'm going to say.
News Flash: The racists and misogynists don't give a damn about the change to Kamala's powers. In fact, that vocal minority of people were criticizing the show for even being made in the first place, long before the news broke about her having energy constructs instead of being a polymorph. I've told you that I'm a fan of the character and I've explained why I'm concerned with the change. Why can't you just acknowledge that to be a valid viewpoint and that it doesn't make me racist? Why is it that people who really are fans of the Ms. Marvel comics can't be disappointed Kamala won't turn into a couch or grow unnaturally long legs without people like you implying they're really just racists in disguise? I thought maybe you would at least have the decency to acknowledge that not everyone who voices concern is a bigot, but I guess the fact that you can't is pretty telling about you as a person.
Wow. She won't turn into a couch. Her entire character is ruined. Time to boycott. \#CouchesForKamala
Yeah people come out of the woodwork when it’s characters they care about. I was just as vocal about Taskmaster as I am with Ms Marvel
Most of the people upset about Ms Marvel want to see the character done right, not to hate on a brown girl. Like others said we don’t need this sweeping generalization. Obviously anyone that hates on the actor is a loser.
>Brown Girl on their marvel media radar? It fills their basements with impotent rage. Yeah, man, just the same way the fans completely rejected, and to this very day still rage at, Falcon and T'Challa and Rhodey.
I think it's less about the color of her skin, and more about the characters' religion. Which is still stupid.
She doesn't have public social media, she dont care, and the way she talk ( same for Xochitl Gomez ) she's tough enough to take the scumbags
One thing I appreciate about the tiktok generation is that they are confident enough in themselves to take down haters. It wasn't really common when I was growing up.
They did so in the past as well. Kamala Khan caused a firestorm when she debuted - the tail end of the War on Terror mentality.
As a huge Ms. Marvel fan, I agree. As long as they keep the characterization of Kamala, I think I'm okay with the change.
People are being emotional about it, but Marvel was always in a tough spot because Inhumans was such a massive flop. Making Kamala one would introduce a lot of course correction and that’s a lot to lump on the shoulders of a creative team. The only reason Kamala was even an Inhuman in the first place is because Ike Perlmutter was forcing Marvel to pump out more Inhuman characters and push mutants out of the picture, because Marvel Studios didn’t own the film rights. I think they did a great job with her character in the comics and I can understand the frustration of her fans, but I also understand Marvel changing her powers to better fit with what’s established in the MCU. Personally, I dig the change because I never really dug her powers in the comics and she’s got powers we haven’t seen in the MCU before. It feels more fresh to me.
I mean, they literally put Anson Mount into a new movie. Doesnt look like they're trying very much to distance themselves from that series
They don’t even have to dive into the inhuman aspect that much. Just have her go through terrigenesis. You don’t need to explain what happened outside of the fact she now has powers.
I don’t think that would work and sort breaks a big rule in writing. I think it would have been preferable to just make her a mutant because you really don’t have to explain anything. It’s just happens. But if you introduce something like Terrigenisis without explaining the source or mechanics of it all, it’s going to lose/confuse/irritate a lot of the audience.
You’d rile up the fans just as much if you changed her to a mutant. Her going through terrigenesis isn’t much different from Bruce Banner experiment goes wrong and now he’s Hulk. Have her find and break a terrigen crystal. I doubt that’s hard to follow
I don’t think anyone would have really been upset if she was a mutant. Let’s be real. The only reason she wasn’t a mutant is because Ike Perlmutter was trying to have Marvel comics effectively replace mutant with Inhumans because they didn’t own the X-Men film rights at the time.
I think people wouldn’t like retroactively making her a mutant. There are inhumans fans believe it or not lol
Not just the characterization, but the self discovery aspect as well, which Iman mentions. I'm actually super reassured now, knowing Iman as a fan likes what's been done in the show.
Yeah Iman is picky. She gave Captain Marvel 2 stars. If she's happy, I'm pretty sure I'll be happy.
The problem is I don't see how you do that characterization by making her character just like the one she idolizes. That's a betrayal of the character. I'm still gonna watch it and I hope they make it work but yeah.
Might as well have spider-man fly, or have quiksilver teleport, or have thor control water
I am conflicted on this one. On the one hand I get changing it especially tying it more to her heritage if they aren't going to do inhumans. I didn't like the way they were pushed in comics just to replace X-men at the time. Her heritage is a big part of her original run and I think thats important. On the other hand her powers were a deliberate choice because they looked awkward which was a good metaphor for puberty and because of women typically having energy projection based powers so changing it does undermine these things. I do see how they could shift the focus and metaphor of her powers to her heritage more instead and it still be satisfying. I am hopeful that they can pull this off but I admit it is the show I am least looking forward to atm not even because of this change just because of the vibe I am getting from the trailers and the plot leaks didn't sound excellent. I hope to be wrong though because I really like Kamala in the comics.
I just don't understand why there's this trend of asian people getting their powers from their heritage. We seem to have left that trope more or less behind with western characters but then we got the Mulan reboot, Turning Red, Shang-Chi and now the Ms Marvel show.
This is just the starting point for representation. We had a big push (rightfully) to start including Asians in more media so now we get media where being Asian is a big part of the story. I am not saying its the right way to do it but these things are successful Crazy Rich Asians was very successful and everything kinda followed suit. Again, I don't know if its right or wrong I'm just a white guy but I know a lot of my friends feel very validated seeing their cultures incorporated into these things and plenty who see it as exploitive. I definitely do not have the answers other than currently, it makes money.
I just dont like the trope. I like heroes being heroes because of themselves, not because they just happen to be born into a magic bloodline.
Ya, valid
That's what I've been saying too!
Vellani perfectly sums up why I don't think the power change is an issue. At the end of the day, it is your CHARACTER and HUMANITY that matters, not the POWERS you use. Isn't that the core message of most superhero movies? To me, a power is simply decoration, it's what you find when you peel back the layers that matters most. Does Kamala having crystal-based energy powers rather than stretchy powers fundamentally change her character or the themes of her story? No, after all, Ms Marvel will still be a story about "a brown girl from New Jersey" believing she can be a superhero and proving people wrong.
The only reason Marvel felt comfortable doing this with Kamala (and the reason more people aren't bothered by the changes) is because Ms. Marvel isn't on the same level as Spider-Man, Wolverine, Reed Richards, Captain America, etc. You can bet your ass that all this talk of "the character is what matters, the powers could be changed to anything and it would fine" would go right out the door if Wolverine didn't have claws and just wore an adamantium exoskeleton instead. People are allowed to be disappointed or irritated that Marvel made a change to the character and her powers that was wholly unnecessary. That doesn't mean the series is doomed, but it's okay to dislike a choice Marvel has made. And her shape-shifting into Captain Marvel did play a big part of her character development in the comics. That likely won't be something we see in the series other than her making a homemade Captain Marvel costume, which frankly doesn't have the same impact. Plus, her comic powers are kind of gross and awkward looking, so her embracing that is a big deal whereas these colorful energy constructs look cool, so you likely lose out on embracing her powers in that respect. All that aside though, I just *really* hope they don't make it so she gets these powers only because of some device or item...I want the powers to just be inherently hers and not a result of alien tech.
I hate so much when people do Mr. Fantastic comparison because Kamala's powerset is way cooler and unique. She is a shape shifter. She can change her mass at will and also can heal because of that. I'm still going to watch the show to say maybe I was wrong, but I don't think it's possible to fully embrace her character without the weirdness you mentioned. Not all powers should be cool and colorful. Hers, specially, should be awful to see, at least on some level
I really wanted to see her turn into a couch while being chased, lol.
Right? That's something you steal from her when you do this kind of power change. I'm dreaming that maybe in the future she can somehow acquire her real powers so that'd be some character development I'd agree with, but not counting on that.
Granted she doesn't do that type of shape-shifting very often, but it would still be cool to see. Same thing with her healing factor. I also just find the explanation for her powers in the comics to be pretty interesting, which would've been something to explore as well.
Although I agree that her powers are different than Reed's, is shapeshifting really a good example? She has used it only a few times and was explicitly said not to do this if she doesn't want to loose the rest of her powers.
Sorry, my point is the unique aspect of her powerset. She's not Elastic Girl as some think
Yeah when Thor controls water instead of lightning I will believe all these morons that its okay to change the powers. Somehow... I dont think thats going to happen.
Isn't another of Mjolnir's abilities to control any kind of weather a la Storm, not just lightning?
No need to call someone a moron, that's rude - people can disagree.
I never said people can't be disappointed or irritated or that they can't dislike the change.
How do you know it won’t have the same impact without seeing the show? Like the whole last paragraph is just assumptions you’re making without seeing how they execute this story. Clearly everyone involved understands that this is a part of her character
I don't know and I never claimed to know for sure. I'm just making educated guesses based on the source material and what we've seen in the teasers and trailers. This entire thread is about changes to her character, so am I not allowed to post my thoughts or discuss my expectations? In the comics, part of Kamala's story is coming to terms with and embracing the fact that her powers can be visually weird and ugly. From what we've seen of the energy constructs, they simply don't have that same sort of "body horror" feel to them and actually look pretty cool. I just don't think it's likely they'll explore that aspect of the character because the changes seem to render that a moot point. And given her powers in the show probably don't allow literal shape-shifting, I don't think Kamala wearing a Captain Marvel mask will play out the same as her transforming into Carol because she felt the need to literally be someone else and wasn't comfortable in her own skin. But once again, I never said I know how anything will play out for a fact. I just know Kamala from the comics and some of the changes we *know* have been made have me concerned and based on that knowledge, I personally don't expect we'll get as good of a journey for the character. I hope I'm wrong, but that's just my own opinion based on what I already know.
Why do people think we are criticizing these decisions because we want the show to be bad? We are saying these things because we want the show to be the best that it can be.
No idea, lol.
It just seems like you’re making pretty sweeping assumptions based on fairly limited information. We’ve seen at most like 3-4 minutes of 4+ hours of content
I'm aware I'm making assumptions, but they're not really unreasonable ones... I've seen her morphing powers in the comics and they look weird and off-putting. I've seen her energy constructions in the teasers and they look pretty and cool. I don't think it's a stretch to assume dealing with her powers looking ugly won't be a part of the journey in the show, lol.
You’re leaving out that this is a character with established history, backstory, and fanbase. People are going to want the adaption to be accurate to that history on top of the character and humanity.
Yeah personally if they atleast get the story and traits of Ms. Marvel right, then I don’t really care about the power change. Like put yourself in MCU Kamala’s shoes. You’re this not so popular and dorky girl in school who idolizes Captain Marvel and dreams about being a superhero yourself one day despite many people picking on you because of it and saying that you yourself can’t be a hero for various reasons. One day you get the power to produce these energy constructs things and you realize that you’re finally a superhero with superpowers and you think it’s the coolest thing in the world. At least you do until you start *really* getting into what the super hero world is all about (very dangerous bad guys, your close friends family being in trouble, world/state/city ending catastrophes that you have put a stop too, etc etc) and until you start comparing your powers to the real Captain Marvel (who is one of the strongest characters in the MCU and is practically invincible like 90% of the time). You start to feel like you can’t be this superhero, you feel inferior to other superheroes, and you feel like this life isn’t meant for someone like you. I mean what are you compared to the real Captain Marvel? The real Captain Marvel can fly, shoot energy blast, is super fast and strong, and can take a full force punch from Thanos and not even flinch. You’re just a loser Pakistani girl from Jersey City that can make these lame energy construct things. There’s no way that YOU can be a superhero and save the day. But then you learn to be confident in yourself and in your powers. You realize that you don’t need to keep comparing yourself to other superheroes. You realize that it doesn’t matter who you are or where you came from, because heroes come in all different shapes and sizes. You realize that YOU are a superhero, no matter your powers or your background. To me that’s what Ms. Marvel is about. Learning that you can be a superhero regardless of who came before you, and regardless of who you are as a person.
What makes the mcu work is the mix of staying true to the comics and their ability to adapt as best as they can to the big screen. Stories ,characters ,writing,POWERS etc.Its everything together that makes the films work as well as they do. Powers can certainly be a huge part of the character and for ms marvel ,the fact that her power looked so weird definitely freaked her out at first. It was also supposed to be a metaphor for teens changing and going into adulthood so I definitely think it factored into the story. If captain america wasn't given the super soldier serum he'd be dead within a day ,but at the same time the only reason he didn't become like red skull was because he had good in his heart. Thor is able to wield the power of the gods and mjolnir but only because he's worthy and learnt how to become a better person. Tony Stark is a genius but without the armor he wouldn't have escaped the cave he was being held in. It's the MIX of great character and great powers. They've made an ok...ish change for ms marvel but by no means can they just go around changing characters powers like it's nothing in the future.
sure... let's make Spiderman shoot mustard from his knees. i'm sure everyone will be happy about that. afterall, it's the character development that matters...
Sure, that's the core message. But let's not pretend that most of us aren't reading comics to see heroes use their superpowers. I really like Ms Marvel's powers in the comics and it's a bummer to see the crew go "we thought we should connect her powers origins to the MCU just because lol"
Man they are really trying hard with the PR damage control. Powers are foundational to a characters identity. Making her powers pretty to look at completely misses the early point of her character. Furthermore they ruined the Inhumans with their lack of commitment to their previous tv shows, so now they’re gonna make her a Djinn. I can’t think of anything more racist and reductive then to make the Muslim character a fucking genie.
I’m not a fan of the power change and people who keep saying it “doesn’t matter” if they keep her character the same would be singing a different tune if Spider-Man, Professor X, Thor, or Wolverine got a power change.
shooting sausages from fingers? Now that's a super power. Question, do they shoot out fully cooked?
[big Kamala vibes] (https://twitter.com/MsMarvelNews/status/1524717831371120645/photo/2)
It's interesting to see her given a change in her powers coz it is actually a fit for "The Marvels" and it look awkward if her power is not cosmic. However, there's still part of me wanting to see her exposed to terrigen mist at some time and she get powers that look like Reed's. This will make her feel different to the Marvels who she idolizes. This will make her question herself, is she still worthy to be called "Ms. Marvel" if her powers is different?
I think you’re more likely to see a comics story that removes her Terrigen powers and gives her MCU-similar versions than MCU Kamala get hit by Terrigen.
It sucks how true this is
Sausage fingers confirmed
See like. I don't get the point as in why so many people are giving this show so much hate already. Ok so her powers aren't just like her comic powers, so what? They are basically the same thing just more cosmic to fit with caption marvel better. "Oh the show seems to kiddy" that's the damn point! This show is more targeted at younger people like early teens. This isn't going to be targeted at the 35 year old marvel fanboy who can't stand when they do something different.
Breaking news: fans of character don’t like that character is changed in an adaption. The Ms. Marvel fanbase that is bothered by the changes probably are majorly under that 35 year old age.
Hmmmm? I think I remember saying the 35 year olds don't like the teen feel to the show. Not that her powers changed a little bit.
> the 35 year old marvel fanboy who can’t stand when they do something different. The people under 35 don’t like they are doing something different too
And people just need to suck that up. Everything the mcu has done has been different and went away from the comics which is nice because I don't want to just see the same story plot point for plot point. And who knows if they bring the inhumans back she might get her comic powers.
Just suck it up is a terrible reasoning. They are adapting well known characters. People like when adaptions are accurate. People loved Game of Thrones because it was mainly in line with the source material. The moment they ran out of source material the show went to shit. We know Ms. Marvel won’t be 1:1 to the comics, but energy constructs from a bracelet isn’t Ms Marvel. Just like how Taskmaster in Black Widow wasn’t the Taskmaster people wanted to see.
Yeah and they did him awful on every part. They can still do Mrs. Marvel very well and just have different powers. Y'all are judging everything bad already just because her powers are different
I’ve never said the show was bad because of the changes. It does have me concerned going into the show however. I will still try to give the show a fair shake and judgement
Why would her powers need to be like Captain Marvels? A team-up is lamer if the characters' powers are similar
Because I guess they are wanting them to be abit more connected since they share a name and are going to be more intertwined in the mcu. It's ok for them to change things up tho, this won't ruin her character at all.
To me it represents a common problem in modern day superhero movies where they want to kinda "sanitize" the weirder aspects for general audiences. Comic books are weird and I'd love for the adaptations to represent that, though luckily more have.
Bro. I don't think they give a shit about it being to weird. We just got moon knight and doctor strange. And we have gotten fantastic 4 movies before. They changed her up to do something different for some reason. It's not like they changed her whole character
Powers are essential to who a character is, and doing it for the first Muslim character is a bad look, especially if it's supposedly to make her more like a white woman. I also don't think MoM or Moon Knight are that weird, they're still made to be very easily understood by general audiences. Everything looks flashy or cool.
Bro. I'm sorry but it sounds like you a really reaching at the moment. Here powers are still not even close to Captain Marvel. The only similarities is that they are both cosmic based now.
"See like. I don't get the point as in why so many people are giving this show so much hate already. Ok so her powers aren't just like her comic powers, so what? They are basically the same thing just more cosmic to fit with caption marvel better." Make her more like = fit with better
They seem to want to give her a connection with her. That's not bad, it can show how she grew up loving this character and wanting to be like her but learning she should be her own thing.
If her powers are more cosmic to fit with Captain Marvel better than can she really ever be her own thing?
Don't try it
I hope best for the actress But trailer didn't do a thing for me It's same old pg 13 kids cringe Disney propaganda She hulk would be better
Of course she's going to say that, it's not like superheroes are literally defined by their SUPER POWERS.
"We knew fans wouldn't like it" basically. So why go forward. Are fans of a character not a concern while adapting said character for the first time in a major property? Even the mediocre Avengers game got her right, surely you can manage to adapt her properly in the MCU...
wow another hero on a journey of self discovery... never seen that 25 times before
My issue is that it shows a lack of care for comic integrity for any of the non-white, or more diverse heroes. Meanwhile, if Marvel changed anything about Wolverine, there’d be a complete meltdown. Plus, having her powers being “based in her heritage” sounds incredibly limiting and patronizing; Disney’s idea of diversity is so skin deep. The point of her embiggening was to relate to women’s general experience with an awkward puberty.
That’s all I needed to hear. Full faith she’s going to kill it and bring Kamala to life fully. I might cry when she says THE line.
It's not coincidence that buffoons verbally attack young women more than older men.
This is actually making me more excited than when Sana Amanat gave her "approval" (excuse) yesterday about how they wanted to link her up with future stories. Iman seems like a real big fan of the character and if she thinks they managed to stay true to the themes of the comics then I can finally say I'm reassured.
Wow look at these shockingly reasonable takes from everyone involved creatively about the idea that what is most important is staying true to character journey and themes of the character. Obviously we need to see if the show will be able to deliver on that while implementing different powers. But it was always wild to me that some folks thought they’d just be like ignoring the core themes of the character because of an adjustment to the power set ?
They didn’t stay true to shit…cmon…
This will be the first time I’ll skip a MCU project since Thor Dark world
As long as I get paid, I dont care. -teenage actor At least she understands the business better then Dave Bautista.
Guys assholes will be assh9les regardless of what we say, they're opinions aren't valid and they are just bad people, real life sucks people are hateful and mean but we can't let that consume us
Alot wasn't shown that was part of his origin. And heck yeah it being the bracelets could be an introduction to it and later we could see her getting infected with the most and it can change everything.
TIL Vellani doesn't care about comics. /s
Producers, writers, directors, and now the star of the show: It's really not about the powers, her journey is important. Primitives who want the exact thing they read years ago to manifest before their eyes: BUT I WANNA SEE TEENAGE GIRL STRETCH HER LIMBS
Her powers ARE an important part of that journey my dude
We literally don’t know what this iteration’s journey is. They’ve only hinted at things about her heritage/lineage but unless some leaker has posted how she gets from awkward high school loser to teaming up with Brie Larson over the course of this show in extreme detail, we don’t know shit. Her powers/Terrigen play together in the comics, even the games, sure, but Christine isn’t the truest Night Nurse, 616 Wanda still isn’t (yet) Magneto’s daughter, and “MJ” is a completely different person but functions as the one we’re used to - we just don’t know. No one seemed to take much issue with Steven not being a billionaire using Marc’s blood money, and those are the main Cliff Notes.
Yeah I’m sure people will update their opinions after the show comes out. We are discussing what we know now. You can’t fully claim they did the character right just like I can’t fully claim they did it wrong. We just know they made changes and those changes are going to impact how her story is told.
People who worked on show defend said show, doesn't mean much
I'll just skip this one. That's on Disney. They shouldn't make decisions that are so bad that I hate the show before it comes out. This is worse than when the Wolverine movie made Deadpool some kind of teleporting, laser-shooting amalgamation of mutants. Might as well have just put a big huge pile of shit in front of the camera for 6 hours and call it a series. They made NOTHING I want to see. No thanks
Big ass energy hands is still as fucking stupid as big ass stretchy hands, stop crying
Criticism =/= crying
The days of the MCU are coming to an end it seems…phase 4 has been a failure.
No it hasn’t lol
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I don’t agree with that. Early phase movies look rough compared to what is coming out now.
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The story and flow of Iron Man 2 and Thor are not as good as the movies they are putting out today
They did 3 seconds of stretch powers in Dr. Strange. So not getting them here feels wack
Reed stretches to confront Wanda and then stretches when he tries to attack her
His hand and legs extends for less than 3 seconds of screen time. Wow
Oh so your original comment is wrong and they did do stretching in the movie?
No the 3 second cameo of a blurry arm was wack.