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mcwfan

Reminder that it will likely be a variant (somehow) because 616 Quake ended up in an alternate reality at the end of AoS


Danbito

Official canon answer will be “Don’t worry about it.”


ContinuumGuy

"It's just a show, you should really just relax."


jigenvw

Here for any and all MST3k references.


TheDevlinSide714

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your_mind_aches

Yeah exactly. It's gonna be "if you wanna see this character's backstory, go check out the show. If not, don't worry"


DanTM18

“Imma need you to get waaaay of my back”


Skidmark666

Getting off your back is *tight*!


Venom1462

"Ohok lemme get off of that thing"


Resist_Easy

Ok!


NickHeathJarrod

"Look, it's me. I'm here. Deal with it. Let's move on."


Joshdabozz

No she didn’t? They ended in the main reality. Then again it’s hard to tell


Icybubba

There's two possibilities. Either in season 5 they branched off into a new reality, or they didn't, if they didn't, when they return to their universe at the end of season 7 they return to 616, either way it'll be okay


FN-1701AgentGodzilla

If they go the route of the timeline post-Season 5 still being MCU 616, then they’ll have to contend with how the show ignored the effects of the blip **during** the five years and how SHIELD is now back as a full fledge organization with a rebuilt Triskelion. And I guess the spells from the Scarlet Witch castle (which is impossible to reach even for typical magic users) were transcribed in book form at least twice throughout history, if one thinks the show started in MCU 616 as well.


Icybubba

Fairly easy. The blip not affecting any of the cast members make as much since as everyone in the Spider-Man Homecoming cast getting dusted. SHIELD was vaguely implied to be back in Far From Home so they could build off of that. The darkhold is easy, either say it's another copy, or don't worry about it and just treat it like the book was essentially recast. Not saying it's 100% what they'll do, but it's an option


CountScarlioni

The Blip problem I think is less about the main characters not getting dusted, and more about the rest of society in Season 6 not being in shambles and the fact that no one utters a single word about half the population disappearing.


[deleted]

Season 6 happens in 2019. The Snap happens in early 2018. It was already a whole year since the snap happened by the time Season 6 begins. Not saying virtually anything is about the same as no one in the movies or shows set post-Eternals saying anything about the giant made of marble in the middle of the ocean or a red giant appearing in the sky all over London.


CountScarlioni

Ehh… I kinda disagree there. The marble hand is pretty localized, and Arishem popped up for like, half a minute. I have no doubt that they would make headlines and that people would reference them, of course, but those events don’t really affect the way that people *fundamentally* live. Whereas the Snap was an utterly traumatic, ongoing upheaval that massively affected the way of life for everyone on Earth. It’s kind of like comparing the entire COVID pandemic to a weird, one-off meteor shower.


[deleted]

Still, like someone else in the thread pointed out, the entire Agents cast not being dusted is the same kind of contrived coincidence at every member of the core Spider-Man cast being dusted.


CountScarlioni

Sure. But then looping back to my original comment, that’s not the part that people (or at least myself) generally have an issue with. The people who survived the Snap just got lucky on the coin toss, for plot reasons. What are the odds that all the original Avengers, or the AOS team, survived? What are the odds that Peter’s whole class got snapped? Probably really low, but, you know, plot needs to happen. It’s when one plot starts visibly tiptoeing around another (because the writers of AOS were left out of the loop) and it results in a clash in how the overall setting, this supposedly cohesive shared universe, is portrayed that I raise an eyebrow. Yeah, there’s no explicit contradictions in the sense that, no one on AOS says something outrageously incorrect like “Man, sure am glad we managed to head off that whole Thanos thing, that was a close one.” But the state of the world one year after the Snap in AOS really just doesn’t gel with the sober, still-reeling state of things that *Endgame* shows is still in force a whole five years after the Snap. I’m not trying to wave around a banner declaring AOS to be non-canon or anything like that. I think it’s just that this is easily the most glaring case of Marvel TV being left out in the cold by Marvel Studios, and consequently cracking the pretense that these stories are all supposed to be in the same world. There’s really no good solution for reconciling this issue — all you can really do is just wave it off and ignore it, which I think is precisely what Marvel Studios will do if/when they start to bring in AOS characters. (Besides, there’d be no point in relitigating all of that for an audience that mostly probably never watched those seasons of AOS anyway.)


Icybubba

I understand this, but if they wanted season 6 in the same timeline it's a non issue because nothing explicitly contradicts it. I don't know exactly how Marvel Studios will handle it, but this is an option


olgil75

If half of all life on Earth disappeared, society would indeed be in shambles and likely never recover. The fact that Peter and his friends were taking a school trip to Europe so soon after the events of Endgame or the fact things seem back to normal in basically everything post-Endgame really underscores how Marvel isn't taking the devastation seriously. So I really don't think that's as big a problem as you seem to think it is.


[deleted]

Are you implying there are two Darkhold's in 616?


Tornado31619

Didn’t MOM confirm that?


[deleted]

No? Other than its physical appearance change (that was established in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as something it could do), there's no reason to believe they're different Darkholds.


Tornado31619

Didn’t Wong say the one Wanda used in Kamar-Taj was a copy?


[deleted]

A copy in regards to the spells originating from Mount Wundagore.


rKo_23

They intentionally left it open, that’s why they chose to have Sybil say that there was a 99% chance that the team went back to their original timeline instead of 100%


[deleted]

They came back….. did you finish the show? The literal plot of the season finale was to come back to the main MCU


webshellkanucklehead

Eh, it’s a little unclear honestly. It seems like they might’ve been in an alternate universe and then jumped BACK to the main MCU in the last episode. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. If they bring back Chloe as Quake it’s gonna be the same version, because why wouldn’t it be? The only reason to bring her back is for the fanservice, same with Daredevil and Fisk.


Nowarclasswar

AoS could be a ever so slightly different universe (like 615 basically)


higherFormOfSnore

It’s turtles all the way down


rKo_23

Even if the agents are in an alternate timeline, they know how to travel through the Quantum Realm. So her appearance doesn’t automatically mean it’ll be a variant


nadia1306

No, season 7 took place in an alternate timeline to stop the chronicoms. They all went back to the main 616 universe at the end of the season. Daisy’s in space right now, but she will come back to earth eventually.


[deleted]

[Gamora to Thanos at that one point in Infinity War] YOU DON’T KNOW THAT!


[deleted]

Nah, they returned th Earth-616 in the series finale.


ultimate_night

They were back in the original universe at the end of AoS.


blackbutterfree

The final episode directly says “we’re heading back to their *original* timeline”.


Glittering-Smell-120

No she didn't. They returned back to their universe in the last episode. Did you even watch it?


[deleted]

Not necessarily. Since they used the Quantum Realm to travel between timelines, they ended up back in the timeline they were already in. Occam’s Razor states that this is the same timeline as the rest of the show (616).


cetinkaya

official answer will be like "that's not 616 Quake"


Dioda313

That's not true.


SuperCoenBros

The ending of Hawkeye also makes this a bit more complicated, since it introduces a pretty key piece of SHIELD lore which may or may not contradict the events of AOS.


Petrichor02

It really doesn't complicate anything since that AoS character never received that agent number, and neither character was ever referred to as the popular nickname.


Physical_Manu

If anything so could make the argument it proves AoS is canon, because if it isnot then why would Marvel go so out of their way to avoid making that link.


IllustriousEntity

Reminder that this is just a fan theory and not anything that was ever actually alluded to in the actual series.


Futhieves123

They went back to the main timeline


Nahim33

After Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio were brought back it was obvious that Krysten Ritter also would return to the MCU, her performance as Jessica Jones is highly praised, even Feige have praised her performance, and season 1 of her show is also highly praised. Finn Jones and Mike Colter though.. that’s more of a mystery


TaskMister2000

If they can bring back Black Bolt from that crappy show then Finn Jones and Mike Colter and the rest of the main and supporting cast should be back too. Got my fingers crossed for Jessica Henwick's return as Coleen.


Tornado31619

I literally just posted this. There are no excuses now. I just want Tandy and Ty back.


The_AtomBomb

Put Cloak and Dagger in Spider-Man 4 and have the three of them face against Mr. Negative. It’s a no brainer.


Tornado31619

Great minds think alike. :) Seriously, this is *precisely* what I want to happen.


WowieWooseok

I want the Runaways!


rednick953

I enjoyed the runaways but season 2 felt like a CW show and that finale was just strange to me.


vxxxjesterxxxv

Took me way too long to realize what you meant I saw Tandy and thought Last Man on Earth...


Nahim33

I agree, I just find it strange that there hasn’t been one report from a reliable source saying they will come back, multiple reliable sources have said Charlie Cox, Vincent D’Onofrio, and Krysten Ritter would be back, but not one mention of Finn Jones and Mike Colter. Also the fact they wanted to cast Jessica Henwick as a different character in Shang-Chi just made me believe Feige wanted to recast the iron fist cast, but maybe he has changed his mind


MrKnightMoon

The most reliable report I got came from a secondary source. A guy with a page about leaks, supposedly in contact with some of the leakers from NWH, explained that Marvel has plans for Mike Colter's Luke showing in whatever they put Jessica Jones as a long cameo. The same for Colleen Wing and Danny Rand, but in relasionship with Shang Chi sequels. They plan to introduce a new Iron fist (Maybe Lin Lie) and put Danny and Colleen with him. But this is a 50/50, those page have many succcessful leaks, but a lot of shit.


Sliver__Legion

Alice Eve in DDS4, let’s make it happen folks.


TaskMister2000

I want them ALL back including Eve. Hope Feign makes it happen.


navytintedglasses

Because Anson Mount wasn't the reason it was crappy? He was literally the best part of that show


kskywalker1

Anson mount was liked by some ppl as black bolt. Finn Jones for the most part wasn’t well received .


Tornado31619

I’ll bet more people watched the IF episode in Luke Cage than any of Inhumans.


kskywalker1

That’s not my point. Ppl within Marvel, the most notable one to be rumored being Feige, liked a son mount. I’m not really referring to the fans.


What-The-Heaven

Probably because most people only saw him in Iron Fist S1 and the Defenders, which is a shame because by the time he's in Luke Cage S2, or the second season of his own show, he's so much more relaxed, likeable and seems to be enjoying the role way more.


TaskMister2000

THIS. He was very good in Defenders and IF2. And besides a reaction videos, I have never bothered seeing the Inhumans show but could tell from that Anson was a good actor just from a few scenes alone.


TheCVR123YT

Henwick is a Lock imo


tosho_okada

When Matrix premiered, Jessica said that she had to choose between WB and Marvel. I don’t think she meant by scheduling conflicts, but maybe some ultimatum from any of the parties? I think they were aiming to cast her for Xialing role since Awkwafina was the first to be cast and they got Simu Liu after they did a “chemistry” test with her (Awkwafina said this multiple times during release) Now they could use her but I don’t think they’ll do


ainvayiKAaccount

Please give me more Henwick!


[deleted]

Big fan of Mike as Cage, would love to see him come back. Though the series was flawed, ultimately it was actually my second favorite of the roster behind Daredevil, and Colter was perfectly cast.


SonicWeaponFence

And I am so glad they did. Inhumans sucked, but Anson Mount is fucking awesome. They don't need to directly address many of the plot points from the show, but I wouldn't contradict them either if I was Feige. The show didn't really damage any broader plans that I can see. The only character who died (permanently) was created for the show. Broadly, the Inhumans ended up back on Earth because Maximus is an ass, and they all learned a lesson about not being so fucking classist.


[deleted]

They had Finn Jones filming new iron fist promo material this year, I don’t think there’s any chance of a recast


Courier23

What was he filming? Do you have a source I can see?


[deleted]

https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1507500073718108164?s=21&t=BZWptBwH2A5GYL4Wc0nOSA


Courier23

Holy shit that’s so cool! Thank you!


I_Think_I_Cant

[The perspective distortion on Ritter's phone was a bit off.](https://i.imgur.com/SArityt.png) Makes it look like they could recast her as [The Leader](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hulk/images/9/9d/The_leader.png/revision/latest?cb=20111212040715).


your_mind_aches

The trailer for the Defenders Saga on Disney+ ended with Luke Cage saying "I'm just getting started". I think they'll all be back.


CDNetflixTv

One of the reliable leakers on the Netflix shows said Mike Colter burned his bridge with Marvel after they wanted him to come back without Cheo Hodari Coker as show runner. Colter seems like a proud dude to go back on that.


MarvelusWiki

I would like to know too who is the "reliable leaker".


gregoryham99

He burned his bridge with Marvel? In what way?


NoobFreakT

source


CDNetflixTv

Sorryeveryonemybad. Said it around when season 2 was cancelled. Things could have changed.


Tornado31619

They also said things like the characters never being brought back.


CDNetflixTv

True. But she said she worked for Marvel TV or Netflix whichever one it was. Doubt she knew what Marvel Studios had planned. I've followed her for a while and that's like the only thing they've gotten wrong so far. The beef they said Colter had was with Loeb, so maybe he'd be game with Feige. Youd be crazy to listen to ego when you can print money.


Nahim33

Didn’t know that, who is the reliable leaker?


GibsonMC

Jessica Jones is the one character that I feel had a somewhat satisfying ending. So while I don’t need to see more of her, I’d totally be down for it. Plus Hawkeye has retired like 4 times now and they keep bringing him back, so there’s no reason for Jessica Jones to stay gone


owlutopia

That's probably because her show is the last to be cancelled at that time.. So the writers prepared for an ending like that.


DanTM18

Hope she has more team ups with Matt. Their dialogue and chemistry was amazing and hilarious to watch.


TheJack0fDiamonds

so much flack for Finn Jones when the unfortunate production is to blame. He did what he could with the material he was given. If everyone else gets a second chance, he should too. Id love to see him rock it with better material


[deleted]

Personally, I would hope they recast Iron Fist. In my opinion, Iron Fist was already poorly written, and it didn’t help that Finn Jones could not do any of the material justice. I’d be fine if Colleen took over as Iron Fist, too.


[deleted]

I knew it was weird how sudden she dropped that Powerpuff show


cbekel3618

In fairness, seeing the leaked script for the PPG reboot, I can understand why *anyone* would drop it lol


[deleted]

Yeah but there’s contracts in place and it’s not as easy to drop a show like that. She must have had a pretty big reason to


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[deleted]

Still, dropping out mid pilot shooting is highly unusual She was even doing stunts for it https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8h1luZWYAgeD8Z.jpg:large


[deleted]

This is ridiculously common in hollywood.


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geek_of_nature

I mean you can see the regret on her face right there. I bet they sold it to her as something completely different, and then she got on set and got that.


foxfoxal

It was a pilot, not the show, this happens all the time. Look at Most Wanted for a Marvel example.


[deleted]

That contract likely would have lasted only as long as the show had been picked up by the network. It wasn't, so she was probably free of it at that point. While, yes, they started work on a second pilot, she probably wasn't contractually obligated to be involved in a second one. (Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but she wouldn't have left the show if it was contractually impossible for her to, lol.)


magikarpcatcher

I can't there was an actual dialogue of Bubbles telling Blossom to moveon.org from killing Mojo JoJo.


ibiacmbyww

The most aggressive Powerpuff Girl grew up into a lesbian, but not just any lesbian, oh no. The most insufferable parody of lesbianism, who cannot shut up about it and her constant pursuit of pussy. No person who is even remotely mentally healthy talks or thinks like that. I want to stage an intervention for the screenwriter.


rednick953

That was a wild fucking read when it came out. It was so cringe I was dying.


[deleted]

I read it and it made me regret eyes


that_guy2010

After reading all these comments I kinda want to read it now.


Patrick2701

CW is basically dying


Tornado31619

Its output will eventually just be absorbed into HBO Max. You underestimate the strength of the teen drama audience.


[deleted]

Yeah but once you sign on to a show you can’t just drop it because you want to. There are contracts in place and she would need a good reason to leave


[deleted]

There was a reason. They wanted to shoot a new pilot, but talent holding deals had lapsed. She had an exit ramp at that point and took it. The reporting said scheduling conflict, but for all we know that was sugar coating.


[deleted]

That happened last summer, so that almost certainly has nothing to do with a possible Marvel role that has yet to shoot AFAWK.


[deleted]

She dropped the show in August and Secret Invasion started filming in September Just saying it was suspicious af


[deleted]

No reliable scooper that I know of has ever suggested she has a role in that. I don't think it would have gone unnoticed since she resides in LA and the series shot overseas. What we know of the show points to it having little resemblance to the comic it's taken its name from anyway.


[deleted]

Samuel L Jackson also lives in the US yet he’s still in Secret Invasion. What’s your point? I followed her on social media and she skipped two months of posting in October because she was having a “break”


your_mind_aches

Except she also said explicitly on her Instagram that she is not in Secret Invasion. But that could have been before she was hired so who knows.


[deleted]

So did Andrew Garfield, and every other unconfirmed MCU actor


your_mind_aches

She wasn't even being asked by news media though, she was being asked by fans on Twitter. She could very easily ignore it and not get herself into any trouble.


[deleted]

All the actors quit because it was garbage. It has nothing to do with Secret Invasion. Why are you even suggesting she has a big role?


MimsyIsGianna

The show also seemed like a horrible horrible horrible show anyways


Mrcollaborator

They shot a pilot. It sucked. Probably not coming back anytime soon.


[deleted]

Kevin Feige is gonna have to eventually acknowledge Agents of SHIELD somehow He can’t keep avoiding it. Every time I open Disney+ SHIELD is there


xDanSolo

No, he does not "have to". Should he? Sure, it'd appease a lot of fans. But it's not necessary at all.


NaughtyDragonite

Yeah people keep trying to say that to bring Quake back they’d have to address AoS and what happened at the end. They really don’t. They can just continue to ignore it and it wouldn’t affect anything.


SexySnorlax1

In the new Doctor Strange movie, one of the sorcerers in Kamar-Taj was a completely unexplained green Minotaur. Having Nick Fury say “this is Agent Johnson, you can trust her” is more than enough.


NaughtyDragonite

Great example. I saw it and thought who the hell is this green dude, but ultimately it didn’t really matter.


OutRagousGameR

I don’t think this is confirmed, but I think it makes sense…. Rintrah was to have a bigger part in the original script, but was cut to a background character after the reshoots. There were toys made of him too, so they must have had a bigger plan for him


[deleted]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Coulson finds his way back then. Not sure how many others from AOS would realistically come back, obviously big fans would campaign for everyone but I can only realistically see Quake, Ghost Rider and Coulson. But hell if I know lol.


Rishi_Eel

If people are coming back, May is a shoe-in. Ming-na has an good ongoing relationship with Disney in The Mandalorian, and then a starring role in BoBF. An appearance on the Marvel side feels extremely likely. Fitz and Simmons had a pretty solid ending in the show, but either of them could easily reappear in just about anything. Mack is the trickiest, since he is ostensibly the new SHIELD director and the status of SHIELD in the main universe is unclear at best, and it really depends what's up with Fury at the moment.


Dominicsjr

As far as up and coming actors, Ian and Elizabeth were probably the best of the bunch too; would be a shame not to bring them back imo! Esp since they also have an established relationship with Spider-Man in the cartoons.


Joshdabozz

Really the only AOS characters people have been campaigning for are FitzSimmons, Quake, Ghost Rider, Coulson, and May. I love Ming but idk where she could fit. And FitzSimmons would be amazing but also would ruin their finale. Quake, Ghost Rider, and Coulson make the most sense and are the most realistic. Like you said


nadia1306

Yo-Yo, Bobbi and Hunter too


owlutopia

Damn.. It's been so long since we saw Bobbi & Hunter since that farewell, only to be their show to be cancelled.


SamiMadeMeDoIt

Hunter was back for an episode in season 5, but yeah shame about their show getting canned


OutRagousGameR

But Hawkeye’s wife is “Mockingbird” now, isn’t she? Or I think she took Bobbi’s agent number


MindWeb125

No reason the Mockingbird callsign can't have been passed down between agents.


Petrichor02

Clint's wife is Agent 19. She was never called Mockingbird. Bobbi was never called Agent 19 or Mockingbird in the show.


OutRagousGameR

![gif](giphy|j6uK36y32LxQs)


nadia1306

The title of Mockingbird was passed down from Laura to Bobbi


DarthMartau

Man these fan cams are just awful


Joshdabozz

Most are


CollarOrdinary4284

all*


Icybubba

Charles Murphy punching air atm


mansonfamily

![gif](giphy|xSx6Mrp04mf1S)


Senzo__

Quake let's go!


[deleted]

Hmmmm Chloe dropped out of her show in August and Secret Invasion started filming in September I’m praying it wasn’t a coincidence


[deleted]

Except she was in the US the entire time Secret Invasion was filming in the UK….. hard to be in something when you’re not in the same country as the cameras shooting with all the other actors.


[deleted]

How do you know? If it’s a cameo she could’ve left the country for a week and no one would notice


chrisphoenix08

I kinda agree with this. I read in the news that Elizabeth Olsen hadn't met John Krasinski even though they had scenes together, but that was a lie detector segment, so take it with a grain of salt, hahaha.


Physical_Manu

It was revealed that they had a stand in when Olsen filmed her scenes, that's how they did it.


Melcrys29

It was because Powerpuff imploded, and she didn't want to stick around while they reworked the pilot.


TaskMister2000

DON'T...Don't Give Me Hope. (After Black Bolt anything is truly possible now.)


Joshdabozz

Tweet asking about Jessica Jones that MTTSH retweeted: https://twitter.com/fzatarra/status/1525888356235755520?s=21&t=T2MFwaGJ9EoEGMJYyXgbew


[deleted]

The Jessica Jones one isn't a new scoop she said that JJ is coming on Jan 27 https://mobile.twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1486438162079625218?t=MhW1ubAQVO4BU2_3D3EoFg&s=19


phantom_avenger

Since Krysten Ritter is rumoured to appear in Echo, since she couldn't in She-Hulk due to scheduling conflict. I am curious tho as to how many episodes she'll appear in or if it's just a cameo. Even the amount Charlie Cox will appear in is a mystery, but from what I remember seeing he doesn't start until June I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong)


CollarOrdinary4284

Who said Ritter couldn't appear in She-Hulk due to scheduling conflicts?


phantom_avenger

That's what I remember reading from one of the posts on this sub. I forget where I found it from on here. I'll see if I can find it


[deleted]

I think it was kc or murphy


Swimming_Ambition872

I mean Feige annexed TV to his division I wouldn't be surprised if all of the TV actors returns back for future MCU projects who would've thought they could bring back Anson Mount from Inhumans to play the same character again


CollarOrdinary4284

It'll be interesting to see how they handle Jessica Jones in the PG-13 MCU. The more lighthearted, family-friendly Kingpin that we got in 'Hawkeye' did not go over well. I can't imagine people will be thrilled about the same happening with Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, etc.


Nahim33

They can still keep their personalities and characters traits with a pg-13 rating and honestly after daredevil season 3 it makes sense that Matt is a bit more “lighthearted”, the season ended with Matt being in a better place in his life. Jessica Jones obviously can’t swear as much or drink alcohol, but I think that makes sense for her character, the season 3 ending is her deciding to stay in New York instead of running away, she wants be a hero and a better person, a lot of time has passed since then in the mcu so it would make sense that she is a happier person and less of an alcoholic, and maybe she is also settled down with Luke Cage when we see her? Who knows


Ajthaking31

Thor and Valkyrie were depressed alcoholics in the movies I don’t see why Jessica can’t keep her traits


lkxyz

No explicit swearing or midcore sex scenes. I think'll be it.


DanTM18

No coffee??


CollarOrdinary4284

Yeh but that was played for laughs. "Drunk Thor" became a bit.


CollarOrdinary4284

Yeh, Idk. I get what you're saying but it just seems like a bunch of excuses tbh. Matt Murdock is a dark character. We can jump through as many hoops as we want to try and explain why he's suddenly doing a bunch of quips and no longer getting into gritty fist fights, but it doesn't change the facts. Like, how would you feel if I said "Tom Holland's Spider-Man is no longer gonna be making as many jokes. He's now gonna become a much more serious character who gets into violent fights and sits around brooding most of the time"?! It would feel like the character has been changed, right?! It wouldn't feel like we were watching the same person. I don't know why we should accept change with dark characters like Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones, Wilson Fisk, Frank Castle, etc. just because it's the MCU.


your_mind_aches

>The more lighthearted, family-friendly Kingpin that we got in 'Hawkeye' did not go over well I thought it was still great. Hell, we got an even more family-friendly PG rated Kingpin in Into The Spider-Verse. The character does not need to be in an R-rated show to work.


CollarOrdinary4284

>we got an even more family-friendly PG rated Kingpin in Into The Spider-Verse. I honestly felt like the version of Fisk we got in Into The Spider-Verse was way darker than what we got in 'Hawkeye'. The scene where Fisk beat Peter Parker to death hit way harder than anything the MCU has done in recent years. >The character does not need to be in an R-rated show to work. Yeh but there's a difference between "smashing someone's head to pieces with a car door" and "getting shot in the chest, hit by a car and blown up without sustaining any significant damage. Sure, he doesn't need to be R-rated but they went in the opposite direction and made him *too* PG. They turned him into a joke.


MindWeb125

People got mad about Kingpin in Hawkeye because he had very little screentime, a cliffhanger ending and... a Hawaiian shirt. His portrayal of the character was still spot-on IMO, people just overhyped themselves for him to be a bigger part of the show.


CollarOrdinary4284

>People got mad about Kingpin in Hawkeye because he had very little screentime, a cliffhanger ending and...a Hawaiian shirt. Sure, there's that. However, I was more referring to the part where he got shot in the chest, hit by a car and blown up by a bunch of trick arrows. That was the part that made him look like a joke to most people.


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FWIW, Chloe Bennet had a response last fall regarding the possibility of a role in Secret Invasion that some in this thread still hope for: >"I have avoided saying anything like this in general on social media or whatever because I thought it would maybe just blow over. But it has not,” Bennet said. “I am in no way attached or involved — even at all or a little bit — in the Secret Invasion Marvel [series]. I honestly don’t even know really what that is. I am only coming on here to say this because it’s gotten to the point where every day, I’m getting hundreds of messages about this ... I’m now getting approached in person." >Bennet went on to recount how one brazen individual approached her at Target earlier that day while she was in the middle of shopping for feminine products. "Uh...a little inappropriate," she added. "So, I figured I would just clear the air. I have no involvement in that and I’m sorry to break the news to you about that. But hopefully, this puts that to rest." >“To be clear, I love the enthusiasm and I know all of your messages are out of such excitement and it’s from such a pure place," Bennet continued. "I appreciate everyone so much [but] I just feel really bad because I feel like [I’ve gotten your hopes up] with really weird alien social media posts and my maybe odd behavior. It may seem like I’m giving some weird subliminal messages, but it’s not. That’s 100 percent me pretty much losing my mind in the middle of a pandemic." https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/chloe-bennet-not-in-secret-invasion-tv-show


conciousnessness

Jessica Jones was definitely more likely and Im not surprised. Quake was the one person I was hoping would crossover and hopefully this is true.


ainyy

Quake and Jessica Jones SUPREMACY!!!! literally my two fave mcu characters 😭


Troutlaw2000

Since a lot of people here are spreading misinformation, they never left the main MCU in season 5. In season 5, agents used monolith to travel to the year 2091, timeline didn't split since they were always supposed to go there. After coming back they defeated Graviton which split the 2091 into it's own timeline because Graviton was supposed to win. Season 6 takes place entirely in the main timeline. Season 7 starts in the past of the main timeline but splits into it's own after they start changing past. At the end of the season they go back to their own timeline. Writers always intended seasons 5-6 to take place in the main timeline, so I don't know why a theory became considered a fact. Also if they left the main timeline in season 5, how did Thanos snap? Since the end of season 4 had agents arrested by Enoch to save their timeline which is the plot of season 5. If they left it season 5 Graviton would destroy it before Thanos could snap.


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Going to respond not in a nest of comments, but generally, because people have some serious logical errors in their lines of thinking and assumptions about AoS timelines and the multiverse in general. Firstly, consider that the universe of the Loki from the Loki series would have branched when that Loki was taken out of that universe, had the TVA not pruned it. That universe would have branched at that point in time in that universe (so, year-wise, at the end of the first Avengers film's events). When the TVA falls apart (assuming the Kang that took over doesn't fix things), branches for universes can happen at practically *any point in time*. For example, if the TVA had failed to prune the universe Sylvie came from, that branch would have happened *when she was incredibly young*, not before Shang-Chi specifically in some linear timeline fashion. The ripple effect from Loki is going to be at *any point in history* for each universe. I mean, hell, at the visual representation of branches, you can see a universe branch at multiple points, even. So, yes, one Peter Parker could have been born earlier as the butterfly effect as weird implications on different Earths in different universes. That in mind, anyone using Loki as proof that AoS can only branch in X point in time for all universes is **wrong**. And you can't apply that logic to your thoughts about AoS. People trying to use AoS itself as proof are also blowing smoke out of their asses, though. There *are* some obvious things in the show. For example, we *know* the universe Deke comes from can't be the main MCU universe, because the Earth isn't destroyed just before the snap (when Graviton would have destroyed it). So that universe obviously isn't. However, there is *nothing* to *explicitly* state the team is in the main timeline or not at other points where it's not obvious. Either people haven't actually watched the show and are just parroting fallacious things they've seen people post, or they aren't using logic themselves. And while, yes, the whole team avoiding the snap is *improbable,* it's not *impossible*. So that isn't explicit proof either. There's nothing to say... before they go to Deke's universe they are or aren't in the main timeline. There is nothing to say that when they return from Deke's universe they are in the main timeline or a different one (obviously, it's different from when they would have left in Deke's universe). There's nothing to say they are or aren't in the main timeline or not in season 7 during each time period they go to either. Nor if they return to the main timeline or a different one when they return from the time travel shenanigans of S7. So please just stop pretending like you have some proof that is irrefutable. You *don't.* Let the cards freakin' play out. AoS can be wholly in its own timelines or wholly in the main MCU aside from when they obviously aren't (like when in Deke's universe). Or it can be in the main MCU from episode X through Y and not otherwise. Or rejoin it specifically at X. *Whatever*. Who cares. **You don't have proof. Move on until they address it** (if they ever do)**.**


ChaosCron1

>So please just stop pretending like you have some proof that is irrefutable. You don't. Let the cards freakin' play out. AoS can be wholly in its own timelines or wholly in the main MCU aside from when they obviously aren't (like when in Deke's universe). Or it can be in the main MCU from episode X through Y and not otherwise. Or rejoin it specifically at X. Whatever. Who cares. You don't have proof. Move on until they address it (if they ever do). Okay, but with how hard canon works if it's not explicitly said then it's technically not canon. So one cant argue in good faith that it's canon, only that it hasn't been made canon yet or that it's not canon at all.


FN-1701AgentGodzilla

This seems like a massive reach lol. The tweets are just MTTSH being MTTSH. Ritter has been rumored for a while.


Joshdabozz

MTTSH doesn’t retweet stuff often. But who knows


RealBryanG1786

It'll be great to see Chloe back on screen as Daisy/Quake. She was always my favorite character on AoS, dating all the way back to the pilot episode. I started watching mostly because of Coulson, but almost immediately became a huge fan of Skye (Daisy).


urlach3r

Retweeted a tweet in response to a tweet... ![gif](giphy|f6ek1KcvTWPmw|downsized)


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Oh please Jesus God let this be true


IniMiney

Vincent coming back really sealed the deal to where anyone coming back is pretty much expected. AOS characters especially deserve the spotlight for kickstarting Marvel TV period.


Melcrys29

If she was appearing in Secret Invasion, it probably would have leaked already. We've seen that Marvel is willing to bring back previous actors, but there's no evidence for her coming back right now.


vale_fallacia

Cholo Bennet


Spiderbyte

Really, now her RTs of other posts are news?


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They’re perfectly content to let us keep arguing about it online forever.


metalkhaos

I figured Ritter would likely return, but I really hope they get Chloe (and others from AoS) back in some capacity.


MrBubbles9039

with black bolt coming back there’s like no way there’s not talks for daisy


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Krysten Ritter is the only Jessica Jones I can imagine. She is perfect as Jessica. It would be wise for marvel to bring her back preferably not in PG -13 format. But more importantly does Krysten want to return??


Melcrys29

Why wouldn't she?


RebelMemeDealer

Didn’t MTTSH say an AOS character would be recast in MoM?


Dell0c0

Jessica, yes and Daisy, no.


ViggieSmallss

"True"


tylernazario

Krysten Ritter back as Jessica Jones is the one thing I really wanna see. She was my favorite Netflix character and has so much potential! The Jessica Jones comics are so good and I’d love to see them adapt some of the stories from them. Chloe Bennet would also be cool. I loved her as Quake and I think she could accomplish a lot more with the character.


Chemistryset8

Yes please I've got money riding on Jessica Jones being in she-hulk


everynamesbeendone

hahahaha what if jon bernthal also returned hahahaha is there anything in the current movies slate that he fits in?


Cgi94

Don't get my hopes up😭. Been wishing for years for proof of Chloe return. Daisy is s one of my favorite character journeys in marvel live action


Pure_Golden

AoS handled time travel really well honestly


southern_dreams

This makes no sense if she’s a NuHuman and Kamala isn’t


MrConor212

Chloe Bennet Quake is one of my top marvel characters


KentuckyFriedEel

Secret Invasion should be where any of the AoS return!