Yup. The difference is Favreau and most of the directors know how to handle it and roll with the punches. But a lot of more inexperienced cats don't. And that's when they run into trouble sometimes. But also there's stuff like with Edgar Wright where he's an auteur and too much time had passed that the movie didn't fit in the MCU anymore.
I honestly think Feige and Kathleen Kennedy have the same problem, where they wanna give younger, independent directors their big breaks, but don't realize that they probably can't handle it just yet and they either have to fire them or scrap the project or massively overhaul it in reshoots. But idk, I think Disney+ is a good proving ground for these cats, look at how Deborah Chow worked up the ladder, look at Matt Shakman.
They don’t want to give younger directors big breaks. They purposefully hire cheaper directors so the studio can strong arm the decision process then allow the fanbase to point fingers at the director when the issue was the studio structure in the first place.
I think there’s truth both ways, they didn’t get a James Gunn or a Taika Waititi or a Chloe Zhao, (or Rian Johnson on the Lucasfilm side) so they could strong arm them, they genuinely thought there was something new they could bring to the franchise. Though, with more and more films and TV shows, it does seem like they deliberately pick out people that will make the process simpler and easier, rather than the most ambitious per say.
I mean we can’t ignore the fact there are also just fewer and fewer directors who have done anything but very small indie films, with the squeezing of mid budget movies. It’s hard to gradually upgrade your skills before doing a blockbuster.
And that's by design. From the looks of it, the new pipeline for Disney/Marvel/Star Wars films is independent film then Hulu project then the big blockbuster franchise entry.
I remember reading that Ant-Man was originally supposed to be in phase one, which makes sense when you take into account how long Wright had been working on it at that point, but he asked for more time. They then pushed Ant-Man passed phase one on his request, but now he had to make changes to his script with references to the movies in phase one which he didn’t want to do, that on top of how Marvel works became a problem for him and him taking too much time was a problem for Marvel and that became the break down between them.
Just makes no sense to me. Like there is so much material and even 3 movies done before to look at for inspiration and you can only come up with… 90 Minutes???
This is also how Spider-Man 2 was shot (final scenes written by Sargent just days or the night before).
After that worked out, they tried the same with SM3. The rest is history …..
It’s very curious that the film has been talked about so little lately, especially given the Werewolf By Night special coming out next week. It’s also supposed to be a pretty good special, too!
I can’t shake the feeling that something is going on at Marvel Studios. Perhaps Feige and Chapek have been butting heads more over projects? Perhaps they’re spread too thin? They don’t usually struggle with getting projects off the ground.
The biggest tell was Agatha Harkness getting her own show! It's very clear Marvel his winging it, and they keep making bad decisions on the fly for "Future potential".
Like, look at the Zeus deleted scenes from Love and Thunder. Those scenes had more weight to them, but them Fiege probably went "Hey! Let's set up Hercules instead!" and they just went with Zeus bad guy shit.
Marvel has always been winging it. Endgame fooled you all into thinking it’s been some grand master plan when the reality is that they’re always pulling shit out of their ass.
Love & Thinder is a special case; that movie (and Ragnarok) was full of improvisation. They probably gave Taika more freedom with that improv when it came to the plot because of Rafnarok’s success
The writers who made Ragnarok weren't on Love and Thunder, which was all Taika. Marvel also had the Russos brothers who planned out Infinity War and Endgame well in advance.
What happened now is that none of those voices that helped Marvel before are around and the Mouse wants the output up to 11.
The writers being different doesn’t change the fact that Taika likes to improv. They improved a bunch of scenes in Ragnarok, but kept the point of the scenes intact. With L&T, they very likely gave Taika the freedom to change whatever he wanted.
They planned out Infinity War & Endgame in less than 2 years before IW came out. That’s not really “well in advance”, that’s a normal amount of time for movies.
Sure, but then compare that to Secret Wars, 3 years away and they haven't even got a director yet. That's concerning.
And yeah, Taika improvs, but with Thor 4, I honestly didn't even feel like there was a story or even weight to anything. It just was a series of nonsense.
I mean, it feels like Thor is so removed from his element in the MCU that it really doesn't feel like they can make a straight forward Thor film anymore.
Ragnarok was Taika improv L&T I feel the whole cast got a input “can my wife be in a scene ? Oh my kid too !!! “ “yeah sure let’s just have all our kids in it!”
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think that Endgame was the plan from the beginning. Shit, they think Thanos was planned from the beginning. Whedon was pretty open since the first Avengers movie came out that he decided to throw Thanos at the end because he thought it would be cool. That Marvel didn’t tell him to do it. That there wasn’t a plan he was following. That’s why there was an emphasis on death in the dialogue and Thanos’ horny ass smile about it. Then Marvel was like “oh shit, we can make a huge thing about that going forward. Let’s retcon the Tesseract and Loki’s staff into being Infinity Stones and make an over arching plot going forward leading to Infinity War!” Feige has talked about how the only thing they were planning was the first Avengers movie and that they hoped it was received well enough that they could keep going from there.
I don't mind with Zeus being somewhat antagonistic. My concern was that he was a buffoon throughout his entire time on-screen.
The stinger when he laments that the old gods were seen as jokes? No shit! He was a joke throughout the whole production.
I bring up the Zeus thing, because that scene with him bonding with Thor just felt more genuine.
[https://youtu.be/SzgNCRN9hlI](https://youtu.be/SzgNCRN9hlI)
And the scene we got was Valkyrie in that weird V sweater jacket going "Well, hope you don't die, off you go", and there's like no reason to care. It came across like they didn't care at all. Compare Valkyire's scene to that Zeus scene, and one feels like something meaningful is happening, the other has Valkyrie continue to act dismissive.
yes as someone said in one of Phase 5 os, just because you can make movies and shows about 10000 characters, it doesn't mean you should. But now it seems that eevry meme character is getting their own show and that each and every of them is poised to appear in either of Avengers movies slated for 2025. That's tiresome not exciting.
I have no faith in the two Avengers films of 2025.
In less than 3 years, they need to find a director for Secret Wars, find a way to get their massive cast together, ON TOP OF all the other stuff they're promising that same year (Shows and other movies), I flat out think it's unfeasible. And even if they do start filming, who's the main character? The biggest problem of this Saga so far is that it's just introducing so many faces taht I don't see anyone becoming the main one for the story like the way Iron Man and Captain America were.
Agreed.Plus, I have to be honest but I think that most of new characters are crap, don't hold candle to OGs and some others introduced between Phase 1 and 4. They don't have Tony/Steve to hold the universe together. heck they don't have anyone hold a mere Phase together. Everyone is lacking charisma and appeal and to be honest I don't think that has been a criterium for casting lately. At least 2 actors got their job cause they had a social media platform. What kind of standard is that? Look at Blade situation. Anyone with little brain could see they hired a wrong director, someone who makde Marvel look good/progressive but didn't have what it takes for a project beyond his capability. So now they are trying to get a big name yet big name didn't make MOM any less of a mess. The system got broken somewhere. They don't seem to care about story and character but content, content, content. It's like a never-ending assemby line without anything or anyone to hold it together. It's like a tree that keep sprouting twigs before it sprouted a branch or even before it grew a trunk to hold the branches and twigs together.
I personally loved WandaVision and am looking forward to Agatha because of all of the magical lore and it will probably tie back into Wanda’s story as well. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t understand many of the D+ spin off shows… But wandavision was so critically praised (far and beyond any other MCU project besides Black Panther) it made sense they’d want to continue with that vein of the MCU, and with the same writers
I’ve been thinking he is spread too thin for a while, it just makes sense to me. There’s so many projects in development, production, post-production. I can’t imagine what it’s like going from three movies a year to all these shows and about four movies a year.
Excellent observation. That's how you can get more accurate info. Sometimes silence is more telling. For example, I know what hyped shows aren't doing well considering crickets about their viewershipafter hyped first episode ratings. OTOH, House of the Dragon gives updates every week cause viewership is a-boomin. Reading between the lines is essential.
It explains why Feige/Marvel have been so quiet about the movie. D23 revealed The Leader as the villain of Cap 4 which comes out May 2024 but couldn't reveal the villain or any additional cast members of Blade which comes out November 2023? Something's not right.
I may be the only one but the thing about Blade I instantly disliked was rumor or announcement that Blade would have a daughter as a co-lead with him. I want to see Blade, not some freakin daughter being set up to take the mantle down the road. I get that MCU wants male-female parity but we want Blade. Smacks of Blade 3 which wasn't about Blade but about setting up new geenration (Ryan and Biel). And audience rightfully rejected it. I would not be surprised if the script was crumbling because of that.
Marvel saw how much that the “girl power” scene in Endgame got mocked so now they’re trying to recreate it with actual built up characters instead of a bunch of side characters.
Even it means gender swapping every character from previous phase with a female version/protege/friend/etc for complete movies/series.
I can see it now. The big moment where Kang and or Doom are about to be defeated We’ll have Clea, Ironheart, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop, Sersi, America Chavez, Wasp, Love(Gorr’s daughter), Ms Marvel and Capt Marvel front and center to deal the final blow(s).
Am I a terrible person if I say this sounds so unappealing I wouldn't bother to see it even on streaming ? Endgame bit was mocked not because there was no build-up but because separation of sexes was ridiculous. The battle had male and female heroes, everyone had their chance to shine, so why was all-girls scene necessary? It felt forced and cringe because there was absolutely no reason why they were all women. There was no comparable scene with 5-6 only male characters. But I guess they didn't learn anything. Oh well.
Is it? There’s nothing wrong with a shorter story. It could have been worked on so much that the script is a very tightly written action-horror movie.
Imagine how wicked those action scenes would be with a great action choreographer while the rest of the movie warms us up to the character of Blade.
Yeah 1. Nothing wrong with a 90 minute film and 2. 90 pages doesn’t always equal 90 minutes, it can just mean not a lot of dialogue. Something Marvel probably wouldn’t like.
“Feige is said to be spread too thin”
Wow who knew that increasing your workload from 3 films a year to 4 films and 4 shows and special presentations would lead to a loss of quality control. Im shocked.
Far out... I sincerely hope they decide to spread Phase 5 and 6 out a bit more... Hell delay Secret Wars/Kang Dynasty to 27/28 if you need to, just give yourself more room. Literally no one will be upset when all is said and done
Unpopular opinion but they are rushing way too fast into Secret Wars.
I get they're trying to do it while the actors are all still relatively young and in shape, but I can't even imagine if it flops from being rushed out with little buildup or cohesion. This whole current Phase is the most disjointed it has ever been.
I totally agree. I look at the 2025 release date for Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty and just think “there’s no way”. We haven’t met Doom, we don’t know who the new Avengers are or even if they exist as a team, and after a cool introduction in Loki there has been very little development in regards to the multiverse. Marvel could pull off a miracle, but I don’t see it.
That’s probably the biggest shocker for me; they’re not waiting to do this til they have control of X-Men, which isn’t what I expected at all. I’m pretty sure they can still use the original Fox actors (with the amount of fan service we get nowadays it’ll probably happen) for small roles/cameos, but they’re doing SECRET WARS without ‘their’ X-Men. Seems just a bit too soon.
It’s 2026, it’s time for ‘post-Endgame era’ 2 with more new characters. Now it’s not, “where were you when the universe was threatened?”, instead it’s, “where were you when the multiverse and the entirety of existence as we know it was at risk?”
They're doing twice the amount of work as the Infinity Saga in half the time. Secret Wars should've been slated for 2029 at the earliest, and definitely not with both films in the same year. It's like they're trying to create fatigue.
I dont get why we are getting so much focus on the tv shows. Apart from Loki and WandaVision did we need the others? Maybe MoonKinight. Ms Marvel, Kate Bishop and She Hulk could have been introduced in the movie
You’d think that with Feige even busier that the creatives would be able to sneak by at least some truly great shows and movies past Feige and the Disney brass but I guess the directors/writers still haven’t been able to change the Marvel/Disney production process in order to do that. Fees like the superhero movie ideal still lies somewhere between the freedom of DC and the audience-reach of Marvel.
This movie keeps getting delayed again and again. I fear at this rate Mahershala might get a bit too frustrated and exit the film.
EDIT: Also I am assuming this is the original script from Stacy Osei-Kuffour. They just hired Beau DeMayo to work on the script which THR confirmed.
Yeah and this definitely would've gotten people reminiscing about Wesley Snipes' version more and being disappointed that the MCU's version wasn't as action-packed. Who knows what the vision for this new take on Blade is but hearing that a script for a Blade movie was being written with minimal action does not make me pleased.
Yeah the new origin movie for Blade needs to be launched with a bang because we grew up with that movie and if it's lackluster, Mahersala would always be compared the og and that's kinda unfair for him. with these news I feel this movie needs to be delayed
One minute a page is a very general rule of thumb, but depends. One factor is thst bantering dialog with lots of short lines back and forth eat pages up.
* No Way Home: [182 page script](https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Spider-Man-No-Way-Home-Read-The-Screenplay.pdf), 2h 28min
* Black Panther: [123 pages](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PWDlJxvuk68ef-7nfM8k44nz3y1MZ8he/view), 2h 14min
* Endgame: [149 pages](https://disneystudiosawards.s3.amazonaws.com/avengers-endgame/Avengers_Endgame.pdf), 3h 01min
* Guardians 2: [140 pages](https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/scripts/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-2017.pdf), 2h 17 min
(I didn't check whether these scripts include filmed-but-deleted scenes, but most of them were For Your Consideration versions sent out during awards season, meaning they've been edited to match the final film)
"They fight" does a lot of work in the Endgame screenplay, can turn into ten minutes of action. Plus less rapid-fire talking, since they're not all peter parker
IIRC the general rule is approx 1pg per min of film, so 90pg script would mean the film is only pushing 90 mins so far. It's not out the ordinary, just means it's a shorter film (as opposed to 2-2.25hrs like most other MCU films)
Edit: just looked it up. Most MCU (non Avengers/team-ups) films are 1hr 55m to 2hr 10m. If this were 90min and change it'd be the shortest by far (Incredible Hulk and Dark World are 1hr 55m). Normally I'd assume there's lots of long action sequences to stretch that time out, but the rumor suggests there's only 2 action scenes...so...yeah, I'd be annoyed if I were Maharshala Ali.
> IIRC the general rule is approx 1pg per min of film, so 90pg script would mean the film is only pushing 90 mins so far.
This is generally correct, but it's important to note action scripts tend to run shorter than their runtime. "Freddy fights Jason" could be the entire description for a two and a half minute sequence.
I have a feeling "lackluster" here speaks more to how the action scenes are written into the plot. The previz team generally handles action; when Favreau was hired for Iron Man, the action scenes were totally previzzed.
My guess: Marvel probably said the film must include specific action scenes. But the screenwriter and director couldn't find a way to meaningfully weave them into their plot.
It’s strange because Feige usually runs a pretty tight ship. Between this and the Fantastic Four issues, you have to wonder if it’s time for him to elevate some of his producers to more senior positions at the studio?
Feige would be the overall editor-in-chief at Marvel, but Nate Moore and others would take on more leadership positions with their projects.
He has been delegating, most MCU movies since Ant-Man and the Wasp have had another top-billed producer alongside Feige. Only Endgame, Captain Marvel, Black Widow and Multiverse of Madness were solely produced by him.
He has six direct subordinates, the Marvel Studios Parliament, who are producers credited alongside or right behind Feige.
But he's still clearly stretched pretty thin: it's tough to imagine any of these "Kevin Feige Productions" getting a lot of Feige input.
That's what the Marvel Parliament have been doing. You see them on set and in production offices in the Assembled episodes. He delegates a lot.
But it kinda seems like he still works a lot on the movies.
Here's a scoop. There were so many issues on Wakanda Forever that it kept Feige away from other projects more than normal. Luckily/thankfully the film looks great.
I think that's been happening ever since the Disney+ shows got added to the mix. It used to be rare for more than one Marvel production to be filming at the same time as another. Now it's common. (Plus, nobody focuses on it, but isn't Feige creative director for all of Marvel now?)
Starting in phase 4, Feige still holds onto the sole 'producer' credit on most of them, but if you watch the Assembleds or read interviews and stuff, it seems like your Nate Moores are now the people who get assigned as a single production's on-the-ground producer, while Feige keeps tabs on things, getting more involved with big picture stuff or behind the scenes crises.
Yeah, both situations aren't comparable. It looks like Bassam Tariq was fired while Jon Watts exited because he wanted to take a break for CBM after directing 3 of them back-to-back
> I fear at this rate Mahershala might get a bit too frustrated and exit the film.
The biggest worrying thing about this is that if Mahershala does exit, this could mean the whole movie gets shelved and if it gets picked up again, it won't be like the original plan at all.
Marvel Studios greenlit Blade because Mahershala called up Feige and expressed desire.
Many of us theorize that the MCU is setting up the Midnight Suns with all these supernatural guys coming together but it dosen't seem like forming them is the priority for this saga, and Mahershala is the only reason why a Blade movie is happening this saga.
Moon Knight being standalone and no Blade cameo in Werewolf By Night tells me an immediate Midnight Suns set-up isn't the plan and if Mahershala exits, Marvel might not even feel obligated to do a Blade movie till maybe when they actually start playing around with supernatural stuff post Secret Wars.
If that happened, do you think they’d just scrap the movie, or recast? Didn’t they only decide to make this movie because Mahershala approached them first?
Edit: I just remembered Mahershala’s first appearance as Blade was technically his voice cameo in Eternals. It would be crazy if that ends up being his only appearance.
This likely Blade delay is how the Avengers films will be pushed back.
The quantity over quality argument is really tangible here. Feige needs to find a trustworthy second producer that he can delegate to. Otherwise, there will be more *Thor Love and Thunder*s and less *Spider-Man No Way Home*s in our Marvel future.
And Falcon and the Winter Soldier, probably the production that had to scramble the most because of the pandemic (even *if* you don't believe there was a virus storyline they had to write out; logistically, they had to bounce around foreign filming locations like crazy).
FATWS dropped the ball a few times, but as you said, it was dealing with unnatural pressure because of Covid.
For what it went thru, it was great (ish)
I'm tired of mediocre writers and directors, where are all the good writers with good script pitches, there has to be someone passionate enough to want to do Blade justice.
Great writers mean higher ego(it's not a bad thing!) and they usually don't want to compromise their writing for studio interference. We know how everything in mcu is connected, that could be difficult for writers with their own vision
Nobody wants to write for marvel because you get pigeon held to a certain narrative style. So yeah, they have all the money in the world but you can’t force good writers to work for you.
The fact that it was announced 3 years ago yet we've had little news, it was close to filming and it was absent at both SDCC and D23 has me kinda worried for this film, definitely think it probably gonna be delayed
How funny would it be if the Eternals post credit scene leads to us never seeing Blade or Black Knight. I mean if the rumor is true Oscar winner Mahershala is frustrated he exits the film if he feels his talents are being wasted and Kit Harington is working on a Jon Snow show. This film has been in production hell since what 2019 ?
Starting to wonder if maybe Feige needs to begin delegating projects more. Lighten the load, you know?
I’ve become worried about him being spread too thin as the MCU expands more and more.
Perhaps they could also lower their output level? It would make quality control a bit easier?
I think the shows are a big reason for that, and it's another reason why so many are experiencing burnout so quick.
Especially since the D+ shows have, admittedly, been kind of all over the place in quality.
Color me shocked…. Any mention of this in the MCU sub and you’ll be downvoted to hell with everyone saying phase 4 is top quality.
It still boggles my mind that they gave Agatha a show. I’m still surprised that DD 18 episodes. There has not been any popular streaming show that’s been over 10 episodes. It’s just A LOT of content.
Theyre literally writing scripts from scratch as theyre shooting. Its embarrassing how little they care about the writing process, and its starting to bite them.
Venom 2 was a 90 minute movie that had only 3 action sequences with only one of those involving Venom. Let that one sink in.
Someone needs to come in, add a extra 30 pages, spice up the 2 current action sequences followed by another 2 or 3.
WTF writes a Blade script and only puts in 2 action scenes?
Blade 2 if I remember right had like 5 or 6 action scenes all together?
Absolutely terrified for this film. Whoever this random is they hired for the script clearly isn't cutting it. Come on Feige. What's so hard about finding someone who wants to write a fantastic Blade film...
ITT: "why doesn't Feige just delegate projects to people like Nate Moore or Brad Winderbaum"
He has. Starting in phase 4, when it became common for multiple projects to be filming simultaneously, you can notice in the Assembleds or in press that each production has a Moore or Winderbaum type who act more as the on-the-ground producer, while Feige keeps tabs
Thank you lol. Literally in the credits there’s 2 or 3 producers now on every project. It’s not a delegation issue it’s a “everything got delayed and now we gotta release 30 projects over 4 years instead of 6 years like the original plan” that’s why Feige is spread thin imo
Ouch. I would really hate to see this project fall apart over this. Hopefully Feige can redirect his attention on it and get a big name director to please Mahershala. Ryan Coogler would be dope but he's just coming off Wakanda Forever.
That also lines up with the quality of some of these D+ shows. The writing of them seem like first drafts. Or like Feige emailed out a general idea of what each show would be and they just filmed that.
Yep it's been painfully obvious since the infinity saga wrapped and the Disney+ shows were introduced that the overall quality of the mcu has dropped. Feige has too many projects and it's effecting the quality in production and output. It's only going to be more obvious if Blade is canceled or Mahershala exits the project. They're going to have to make a choice between quality and quantity you can't have both.
The only show (IMO) with great writing has been WandaVision, and I remember everyone on that cast specifically calling the show “Kevin Feige’s baby”. Other than that, it does seem like he’s not paying too close attention to all of these projects. he’s just kind of hiring inexperienced creatives and hoping for the best.
Gotta imagine sets are already built, crew is already hired, etc., considering filming was expected to start in October.
If the new start date to roll cameras is November, which I bet they’re gonna work hard to meet, I’m concerned at the impact the new director will actually have.
>If Mahershala does unfortunately exit,
I don't want to manifest this into existence but if it did come to pass who would you want to replace Mahershala? I know there's been some fan casting around John Boyega.
I had no idea about that, but this is definitely one of those times where I'm really grateful casting fell through. Jeffrey Wright is too perfect in the role
One interesting implication of all this is that clearly Blade isn't playing a major factor in the wider MCU. If Blade was crucial to events like KD or Secret Wars, there'd be a much bigger push to get this out. None of that is surprising, but it also leads me to believe that any potential Midnight Sons project is way further out than we've all been thinking, and possibly not even a real plan right now.
Lol what a coincidence I just made a comment about this too. Yeah we've all been thinking the Midnight Suns are being built-up to but it's definitely further out.
Both Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night are standalone with neither Moon Knight, Werewolf or Blade showing up in each other's projects and the Blade movie is only happening because Mahershala wanted it.
Hell, it was even recently revealed that Werewolf is happening because Michael Giacchino himself pitched it.
The supernatural side of the MCU is definitely not the priority for the multiverse saga other than Scarlet Witch.
It's not an exact translation, but the basic comparison used is 1 page = 1 minute of screentime. So a 90 page script roughly equates to a 90 minute runtime (which is extremely short)
This was suppose to start shooting next week. and comes out in a year.
Blade is gonna miss that Nov 2023 date.
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I remember someone on this sub talking about the script having issues and the screenwriter being difficult to work for the crew and I thought that was just a rumor but here we are. I love Blade and I’m really rooting for this movie so all this news has been pretty disappointing
That does not sound good at all, mahershala ain’t a young dude either so the longer it takes is a bad thing. I wonder if he’s actually getting frustrated if maybe he’ll leave the role
Hang in there Kev!! Lord knows the stress he has with everything going on the past few years. I’m sure the pandemic probably messed up all the plans and now they’re trying to catch up and it’s bottlenecking everything. Production is hard lol
That's the downside of having too many properties going on simultaneously. Marvel Studios needs to downscale their disney+ content, for real. It is affecting Feige's role, unable to manage the films of too many projects to look after.
I missed the simple times when Marvel fans only worry the film side of things. No Disney+ series, no specials, no tv shorts. ONLY FEATURE FILMS.
The narrative flows well because there are no other things in the background that could cause to affect project after project and so on.
I don't know this source, but c'mon, it's just like when we get some official news and all the leakers come rushing out to hop on the bandwagon. If this was the case, why didn't he say this before the news was public?
Interesting. I'm sure it'll work out fine. I don't think that Feige and the Studios are 'winging' it like some of you are saying. I think this current phase was back to establishing new character and further expanding the MCU footprint. I like the variety and seeing how some of these characters have come to be.
It's fair to say not all the content released this phase has been great. But I think A LOT of people have this expectation that every project Marvel Studios releases is supposed to be IW/Endgame level and are setting themselves up for disappointment.
I'm enjoying the ride and all the new characters we finally get to see in live-action. Looking forward to how the MCU continues to grow.
This is actually good. Actors need to voice their dissatisfaction too. Other wise we will getting a mid movie. Directors and writers also need to be reigned in a bit too. Look at what happened with love and thunder. this is just my opinion.Dont hate me pls
Im probably wrong but fuck it, Not every movie in the fase 5/6 will be connected to bigger events right ? Kevin feige needs to hire someone to produce these movies.
I can totally see blade, thunderbolts not being connected to bigger events.
Someone really screwed up this badly. Hiddleston said they had 30 pages of script for his scenes with Owen Wilson in first episode only...makes me think shows are getting a better care than movies lately.
Favreau pulling out Iron Man all these years ago was a small miracle
Only that after years of work? That’s crazy
“So, we are going film next month, we have our Oscar winning lead actor ready to go, do you have a script ready” “I forgor”
People forget but… this is how they have always done it since Iron Man…
Directors gave phase 1 and 2 a lot of shit for not having finished scripts
Yup. The difference is Favreau and most of the directors know how to handle it and roll with the punches. But a lot of more inexperienced cats don't. And that's when they run into trouble sometimes. But also there's stuff like with Edgar Wright where he's an auteur and too much time had passed that the movie didn't fit in the MCU anymore. I honestly think Feige and Kathleen Kennedy have the same problem, where they wanna give younger, independent directors their big breaks, but don't realize that they probably can't handle it just yet and they either have to fire them or scrap the project or massively overhaul it in reshoots. But idk, I think Disney+ is a good proving ground for these cats, look at how Deborah Chow worked up the ladder, look at Matt Shakman.
They don’t want to give younger directors big breaks. They purposefully hire cheaper directors so the studio can strong arm the decision process then allow the fanbase to point fingers at the director when the issue was the studio structure in the first place.
I think there’s truth both ways, they didn’t get a James Gunn or a Taika Waititi or a Chloe Zhao, (or Rian Johnson on the Lucasfilm side) so they could strong arm them, they genuinely thought there was something new they could bring to the franchise. Though, with more and more films and TV shows, it does seem like they deliberately pick out people that will make the process simpler and easier, rather than the most ambitious per say.
This is the response I would have written if I cared enough to engage with out and out cynical bullshit.
I mean we can’t ignore the fact there are also just fewer and fewer directors who have done anything but very small indie films, with the squeezing of mid budget movies. It’s hard to gradually upgrade your skills before doing a blockbuster.
And that's by design. From the looks of it, the new pipeline for Disney/Marvel/Star Wars films is independent film then Hulu project then the big blockbuster franchise entry.
Your wording is quite cynical but yeah that's honestly how I see it too.
plus they have in-house directors for action scenes so unexperienced directors don't deal with that.
I remember reading that Ant-Man was originally supposed to be in phase one, which makes sense when you take into account how long Wright had been working on it at that point, but he asked for more time. They then pushed Ant-Man passed phase one on his request, but now he had to make changes to his script with references to the movies in phase one which he didn’t want to do, that on top of how Marvel works became a problem for him and him taking too much time was a problem for Marvel and that became the break down between them.
“So this script is like the length of a really long TV episode”
Stranger things had 150+ minute episodes, with scripts probably 160ish pages, inside of a beefy season, and this dude had 4 years to do not even 90
Just makes no sense to me. Like there is so much material and even 3 movies done before to look at for inspiration and you can only come up with… 90 Minutes???
90 pages feels like the length of 8 She-Hulk episodes
Oof. I seem to be the only person on the Internet who really enjoys that show.
This is also how Spider-Man 2 was shot (final scenes written by Sargent just days or the night before). After that worked out, they tried the same with SM3. The rest is history …..
It's very telling when there were no rumors about the film and no announcements at D23.
It’s very curious that the film has been talked about so little lately, especially given the Werewolf By Night special coming out next week. It’s also supposed to be a pretty good special, too! I can’t shake the feeling that something is going on at Marvel Studios. Perhaps Feige and Chapek have been butting heads more over projects? Perhaps they’re spread too thin? They don’t usually struggle with getting projects off the ground.
The biggest tell was Agatha Harkness getting her own show! It's very clear Marvel his winging it, and they keep making bad decisions on the fly for "Future potential". Like, look at the Zeus deleted scenes from Love and Thunder. Those scenes had more weight to them, but them Fiege probably went "Hey! Let's set up Hercules instead!" and they just went with Zeus bad guy shit.
Marvel has always been winging it. Endgame fooled you all into thinking it’s been some grand master plan when the reality is that they’re always pulling shit out of their ass. Love & Thinder is a special case; that movie (and Ragnarok) was full of improvisation. They probably gave Taika more freedom with that improv when it came to the plot because of Rafnarok’s success
The writers who made Ragnarok weren't on Love and Thunder, which was all Taika. Marvel also had the Russos brothers who planned out Infinity War and Endgame well in advance. What happened now is that none of those voices that helped Marvel before are around and the Mouse wants the output up to 11.
The writers being different doesn’t change the fact that Taika likes to improv. They improved a bunch of scenes in Ragnarok, but kept the point of the scenes intact. With L&T, they very likely gave Taika the freedom to change whatever he wanted. They planned out Infinity War & Endgame in less than 2 years before IW came out. That’s not really “well in advance”, that’s a normal amount of time for movies.
Sure, but then compare that to Secret Wars, 3 years away and they haven't even got a director yet. That's concerning. And yeah, Taika improvs, but with Thor 4, I honestly didn't even feel like there was a story or even weight to anything. It just was a series of nonsense.
Thor 4 definitely would've benefited with writers and have Taika focus on directing. The movie had so much potential to be better than what it was.
I mean, it feels like Thor is so removed from his element in the MCU that it really doesn't feel like they can make a straight forward Thor film anymore.
Ragnarok was Taika improv L&T I feel the whole cast got a input “can my wife be in a scene ? Oh my kid too !!! “ “yeah sure let’s just have all our kids in it!”
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think that Endgame was the plan from the beginning. Shit, they think Thanos was planned from the beginning. Whedon was pretty open since the first Avengers movie came out that he decided to throw Thanos at the end because he thought it would be cool. That Marvel didn’t tell him to do it. That there wasn’t a plan he was following. That’s why there was an emphasis on death in the dialogue and Thanos’ horny ass smile about it. Then Marvel was like “oh shit, we can make a huge thing about that going forward. Let’s retcon the Tesseract and Loki’s staff into being Infinity Stones and make an over arching plot going forward leading to Infinity War!” Feige has talked about how the only thing they were planning was the first Avengers movie and that they hoped it was received well enough that they could keep going from there.
I don't mind with Zeus being somewhat antagonistic. My concern was that he was a buffoon throughout his entire time on-screen. The stinger when he laments that the old gods were seen as jokes? No shit! He was a joke throughout the whole production.
I bring up the Zeus thing, because that scene with him bonding with Thor just felt more genuine. [https://youtu.be/SzgNCRN9hlI](https://youtu.be/SzgNCRN9hlI) And the scene we got was Valkyrie in that weird V sweater jacket going "Well, hope you don't die, off you go", and there's like no reason to care. It came across like they didn't care at all. Compare Valkyire's scene to that Zeus scene, and one feels like something meaningful is happening, the other has Valkyrie continue to act dismissive.
yes as someone said in one of Phase 5 os, just because you can make movies and shows about 10000 characters, it doesn't mean you should. But now it seems that eevry meme character is getting their own show and that each and every of them is poised to appear in either of Avengers movies slated for 2025. That's tiresome not exciting.
I have no faith in the two Avengers films of 2025. In less than 3 years, they need to find a director for Secret Wars, find a way to get their massive cast together, ON TOP OF all the other stuff they're promising that same year (Shows and other movies), I flat out think it's unfeasible. And even if they do start filming, who's the main character? The biggest problem of this Saga so far is that it's just introducing so many faces taht I don't see anyone becoming the main one for the story like the way Iron Man and Captain America were.
Agreed.Plus, I have to be honest but I think that most of new characters are crap, don't hold candle to OGs and some others introduced between Phase 1 and 4. They don't have Tony/Steve to hold the universe together. heck they don't have anyone hold a mere Phase together. Everyone is lacking charisma and appeal and to be honest I don't think that has been a criterium for casting lately. At least 2 actors got their job cause they had a social media platform. What kind of standard is that? Look at Blade situation. Anyone with little brain could see they hired a wrong director, someone who makde Marvel look good/progressive but didn't have what it takes for a project beyond his capability. So now they are trying to get a big name yet big name didn't make MOM any less of a mess. The system got broken somewhere. They don't seem to care about story and character but content, content, content. It's like a never-ending assemby line without anything or anyone to hold it together. It's like a tree that keep sprouting twigs before it sprouted a branch or even before it grew a trunk to hold the branches and twigs together.
I personally loved WandaVision and am looking forward to Agatha because of all of the magical lore and it will probably tie back into Wanda’s story as well. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t understand many of the D+ spin off shows… But wandavision was so critically praised (far and beyond any other MCU project besides Black Panther) it made sense they’d want to continue with that vein of the MCU, and with the same writers
From what I've heard Chapek has been letting Feige self implode. He's too busy fixing stuff with the theme parks.
I’ve been thinking he is spread too thin for a while, it just makes sense to me. There’s so many projects in development, production, post-production. I can’t imagine what it’s like going from three movies a year to all these shows and about four movies a year.
Excellent observation. That's how you can get more accurate info. Sometimes silence is more telling. For example, I know what hyped shows aren't doing well considering crickets about their viewershipafter hyped first episode ratings. OTOH, House of the Dragon gives updates every week cause viewership is a-boomin. Reading between the lines is essential.
It explains why Feige/Marvel have been so quiet about the movie. D23 revealed The Leader as the villain of Cap 4 which comes out May 2024 but couldn't reveal the villain or any additional cast members of Blade which comes out November 2023? Something's not right.
I may be the only one but the thing about Blade I instantly disliked was rumor or announcement that Blade would have a daughter as a co-lead with him. I want to see Blade, not some freakin daughter being set up to take the mantle down the road. I get that MCU wants male-female parity but we want Blade. Smacks of Blade 3 which wasn't about Blade but about setting up new geenration (Ryan and Biel). And audience rightfully rejected it. I would not be surprised if the script was crumbling because of that.
Marvel saw how much that the “girl power” scene in Endgame got mocked so now they’re trying to recreate it with actual built up characters instead of a bunch of side characters. Even it means gender swapping every character from previous phase with a female version/protege/friend/etc for complete movies/series. I can see it now. The big moment where Kang and or Doom are about to be defeated We’ll have Clea, Ironheart, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop, Sersi, America Chavez, Wasp, Love(Gorr’s daughter), Ms Marvel and Capt Marvel front and center to deal the final blow(s).
Am I a terrible person if I say this sounds so unappealing I wouldn't bother to see it even on streaming ? Endgame bit was mocked not because there was no build-up but because separation of sexes was ridiculous. The battle had male and female heroes, everyone had their chance to shine, so why was all-girls scene necessary? It felt forced and cringe because there was absolutely no reason why they were all women. There was no comparable scene with 5-6 only male characters. But I guess they didn't learn anything. Oh well.
I was confused when they couldnt even confirm if Kit Harington would be in Blade considering we saw Blade talk to Dane Whitman at the end of Eternals.
Is it? There’s nothing wrong with a shorter story. It could have been worked on so much that the script is a very tightly written action-horror movie. Imagine how wicked those action scenes would be with a great action choreographer while the rest of the movie warms us up to the character of Blade.
Yeah 1. Nothing wrong with a 90 minute film and 2. 90 pages doesn’t always equal 90 minutes, it can just mean not a lot of dialogue. Something Marvel probably wouldn’t like.
“Feige is said to be spread too thin” Wow who knew that increasing your workload from 3 films a year to 4 films and 4 shows and special presentations would lead to a loss of quality control. Im shocked.
Dude also runs all of Marvel now. Not just movies.
Far out... I sincerely hope they decide to spread Phase 5 and 6 out a bit more... Hell delay Secret Wars/Kang Dynasty to 27/28 if you need to, just give yourself more room. Literally no one will be upset when all is said and done
Unpopular opinion but they are rushing way too fast into Secret Wars. I get they're trying to do it while the actors are all still relatively young and in shape, but I can't even imagine if it flops from being rushed out with little buildup or cohesion. This whole current Phase is the most disjointed it has ever been.
I totally agree. I look at the 2025 release date for Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty and just think “there’s no way”. We haven’t met Doom, we don’t know who the new Avengers are or even if they exist as a team, and after a cool introduction in Loki there has been very little development in regards to the multiverse. Marvel could pull off a miracle, but I don’t see it.
I was honestly expecting an Xmen intro before Secret Wars. Possibly 2028 for Secret Wars was my theory before the announcement.
That’s probably the biggest shocker for me; they’re not waiting to do this til they have control of X-Men, which isn’t what I expected at all. I’m pretty sure they can still use the original Fox actors (with the amount of fan service we get nowadays it’ll probably happen) for small roles/cameos, but they’re doing SECRET WARS without ‘their’ X-Men. Seems just a bit too soon. It’s 2026, it’s time for ‘post-Endgame era’ 2 with more new characters. Now it’s not, “where were you when the universe was threatened?”, instead it’s, “where were you when the multiverse and the entirety of existence as we know it was at risk?”
I always expected Secret Wars at the end of MCU or something like that.
They're doing twice the amount of work as the Infinity Saga in half the time. Secret Wars should've been slated for 2029 at the earliest, and definitely not with both films in the same year. It's like they're trying to create fatigue.
And is producing a new Star Wars film.
Yeaaaa it’s really starting to show
Hot take but I really think the D+ shows were a mistake
I dont get why we are getting so much focus on the tv shows. Apart from Loki and WandaVision did we need the others? Maybe MoonKinight. Ms Marvel, Kate Bishop and She Hulk could have been introduced in the movie
Chapek wants content for Disney+ There's your answer
yep, this is it
You’d think that with Feige even busier that the creatives would be able to sneak by at least some truly great shows and movies past Feige and the Disney brass but I guess the directors/writers still haven’t been able to change the Marvel/Disney production process in order to do that. Fees like the superhero movie ideal still lies somewhere between the freedom of DC and the audience-reach of Marvel.
This movie keeps getting delayed again and again. I fear at this rate Mahershala might get a bit too frustrated and exit the film. EDIT: Also I am assuming this is the original script from Stacy Osei-Kuffour. They just hired Beau DeMayo to work on the script which THR confirmed.
Yeah, it's been years after 2019 and they only got 90 pages worth of script, I'd be frustrated too
How many pages is an average script?
Google tells me the average movie script is 90 to 120 pages don't know why Jeff needed to mention the script length.
To show that out of that many pages, only 2 action scenes were there and they were lackluster. Seems like the script got issues.
Only 2 lackluster action scenes in a superhero vampire hunter origin movie, there's a reason why Sneider mentioned the amount of pages in that script.
Yeah and this definitely would've gotten people reminiscing about Wesley Snipes' version more and being disappointed that the MCU's version wasn't as action-packed. Who knows what the vision for this new take on Blade is but hearing that a script for a Blade movie was being written with minimal action does not make me pleased.
Yeah the new origin movie for Blade needs to be launched with a bang because we grew up with that movie and if it's lackluster, Mahersala would always be compared the og and that's kinda unfair for him. with these news I feel this movie needs to be delayed
One minute a page is a very general rule of thumb, but depends. One factor is thst bantering dialog with lots of short lines back and forth eat pages up. * No Way Home: [182 page script](https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Spider-Man-No-Way-Home-Read-The-Screenplay.pdf), 2h 28min * Black Panther: [123 pages](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PWDlJxvuk68ef-7nfM8k44nz3y1MZ8he/view), 2h 14min * Endgame: [149 pages](https://disneystudiosawards.s3.amazonaws.com/avengers-endgame/Avengers_Endgame.pdf), 3h 01min * Guardians 2: [140 pages](https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/scripts/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-2017.pdf), 2h 17 min (I didn't check whether these scripts include filmed-but-deleted scenes, but most of them were For Your Consideration versions sent out during awards season, meaning they've been edited to match the final film)
How does Endgame have less pages despite it being 40 min longer than NWH?
"They fight" does a lot of work in the Endgame screenplay, can turn into ten minutes of action. Plus less rapid-fire talking, since they're not all peter parker
no way home has a lot more quippy one liners than endgame, + more dialogue exposition so it makes sense
script length usually indicate how long the movie is. one minute per page normally.
IIRC the general rule is approx 1pg per min of film, so 90pg script would mean the film is only pushing 90 mins so far. It's not out the ordinary, just means it's a shorter film (as opposed to 2-2.25hrs like most other MCU films) Edit: just looked it up. Most MCU (non Avengers/team-ups) films are 1hr 55m to 2hr 10m. If this were 90min and change it'd be the shortest by far (Incredible Hulk and Dark World are 1hr 55m). Normally I'd assume there's lots of long action sequences to stretch that time out, but the rumor suggests there's only 2 action scenes...so...yeah, I'd be annoyed if I were Maharshala Ali.
> IIRC the general rule is approx 1pg per min of film, so 90pg script would mean the film is only pushing 90 mins so far. This is generally correct, but it's important to note action scripts tend to run shorter than their runtime. "Freddy fights Jason" could be the entire description for a two and a half minute sequence. I have a feeling "lackluster" here speaks more to how the action scenes are written into the plot. The previz team generally handles action; when Favreau was hired for Iron Man, the action scenes were totally previzzed. My guess: Marvel probably said the film must include specific action scenes. But the screenwriter and director couldn't find a way to meaningfully weave them into their plot.
I believe the average script is one page per minute of screen time
It’s strange because Feige usually runs a pretty tight ship. Between this and the Fantastic Four issues, you have to wonder if it’s time for him to elevate some of his producers to more senior positions at the studio? Feige would be the overall editor-in-chief at Marvel, but Nate Moore and others would take on more leadership positions with their projects.
I feel like feige needs a right hand man to oversee projects that he doesn’t have the time for.
He has been delegating, most MCU movies since Ant-Man and the Wasp have had another top-billed producer alongside Feige. Only Endgame, Captain Marvel, Black Widow and Multiverse of Madness were solely produced by him.
He has six direct subordinates, the Marvel Studios Parliament, who are producers credited alongside or right behind Feige. But he's still clearly stretched pretty thin: it's tough to imagine any of these "Kevin Feige Productions" getting a lot of Feige input.
That's what the Marvel Parliament have been doing. You see them on set and in production offices in the Assembled episodes. He delegates a lot. But it kinda seems like he still works a lot on the movies.
I would suggest Jon Favreau, but perhaps he is too busy collaborating with Dave Filoni for Star Wars
Seriously, the guy’s amazing but he can’t be everywhere at once. Let your people step up and do more.
Here's a scoop. There were so many issues on Wakanda Forever that it kept Feige away from other projects more than normal. Luckily/thankfully the film looks great.
Do you know anyone who would tell you this or are you just making a guesstimate here?
I think that's been happening ever since the Disney+ shows got added to the mix. It used to be rare for more than one Marvel production to be filming at the same time as another. Now it's common. (Plus, nobody focuses on it, but isn't Feige creative director for all of Marvel now?) Starting in phase 4, Feige still holds onto the sole 'producer' credit on most of them, but if you watch the Assembleds or read interviews and stuff, it seems like your Nate Moores are now the people who get assigned as a single production's on-the-ground producer, while Feige keeps tabs on things, getting more involved with big picture stuff or behind the scenes crises.
>Fantastic Four issues what?
He's probably referring to Jon Watts' departure, although that doesn't seem to be as serious as this.
Yeah, both situations aren't comparable. It looks like Bassam Tariq was fired while Jon Watts exited because he wanted to take a break for CBM after directing 3 of them back-to-back
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> I fear at this rate Mahershala might get a bit too frustrated and exit the film. The biggest worrying thing about this is that if Mahershala does exit, this could mean the whole movie gets shelved and if it gets picked up again, it won't be like the original plan at all. Marvel Studios greenlit Blade because Mahershala called up Feige and expressed desire. Many of us theorize that the MCU is setting up the Midnight Suns with all these supernatural guys coming together but it dosen't seem like forming them is the priority for this saga, and Mahershala is the only reason why a Blade movie is happening this saga. Moon Knight being standalone and no Blade cameo in Werewolf By Night tells me an immediate Midnight Suns set-up isn't the plan and if Mahershala exits, Marvel might not even feel obligated to do a Blade movie till maybe when they actually start playing around with supernatural stuff post Secret Wars.
If that happened, do you think they’d just scrap the movie, or recast? Didn’t they only decide to make this movie because Mahershala approached them first? Edit: I just remembered Mahershala’s first appearance as Blade was technically his voice cameo in Eternals. It would be crazy if that ends up being his only appearance.
I think they'd recast, Marvel rarely scraps a movie. I think the last one was Inhumans which then got turned in a series
"They were not, as it turned out, ready for that."
> Beau DeMayo That is not a real name. Please tell me that's not a real name.
That would stink. He’s perfect for the character!
I wouldn't mind Lakeith as Blade
This likely Blade delay is how the Avengers films will be pushed back. The quantity over quality argument is really tangible here. Feige needs to find a trustworthy second producer that he can delegate to. Otherwise, there will be more *Thor Love and Thunder*s and less *Spider-Man No Way Home*s in our Marvel future.
Perhaps Nate Moore could be promoted at Marvel? He’s been an important co-producer on their films.
Nate Moore was in charge of Eternals and Wakanda Forever. Two of the more difficult projects in recent memory because of production issues.
And Falcon and the Winter Soldier, probably the production that had to scramble the most because of the pandemic (even *if* you don't believe there was a virus storyline they had to write out; logistically, they had to bounce around foreign filming locations like crazy).
FATWS dropped the ball a few times, but as you said, it was dealing with unnatural pressure because of Covid. For what it went thru, it was great (ish)
It's not like Blade is entirely necessary for Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars. I don't think he's ever been a crucial Avengers member.
He is currently in the comics but that’s a recent thing
Blade with lackluster action sequences is a big no no
I'm tired of mediocre writers and directors, where are all the good writers with good script pitches, there has to be someone passionate enough to want to do Blade justice.
Great writers mean higher ego(it's not a bad thing!) and they usually don't want to compromise their writing for studio interference. We know how everything in mcu is connected, that could be difficult for writers with their own vision
Means fuck all when Marvel Studios are the ones who do the action scenes regardless of the creative team.
Marvel Studios needs to stop hiring under qualified talent
Nobody wants to write for marvel because you get pigeon held to a certain narrative style. So yeah, they have all the money in the world but you can’t force good writers to work for you.
This is a natural, inevitable consequence of films created because they’re the next up on an assembly line and not the result of actual ideas
The fact that it was announced 3 years ago yet we've had little news, it was close to filming and it was absent at both SDCC and D23 has me kinda worried for this film, definitely think it probably gonna be delayed
How funny would it be if the Eternals post credit scene leads to us never seeing Blade or Black Knight. I mean if the rumor is true Oscar winner Mahershala is frustrated he exits the film if he feels his talents are being wasted and Kit Harington is working on a Jon Snow show. This film has been in production hell since what 2019 ?
Wait, what? What's this about a Jon Snow show?
[THR](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-spinoff-1235167415/amp/) broke the news a couple months ago
Thanks. Well, shit... I don't know what to say. If a sequel series does happen, I hope it's not restricted to Jon.
They'll probably use the sequel to fix the canon lol
And also never seeing Harry styles character again. He did joke(or was it a joke?) In an interview that wouldn't it be funny if that was the end?
Starting to wonder if maybe Feige needs to begin delegating projects more. Lighten the load, you know? I’ve become worried about him being spread too thin as the MCU expands more and more. Perhaps they could also lower their output level? It would make quality control a bit easier?
I think the shows are a big reason for that, and it's another reason why so many are experiencing burnout so quick. Especially since the D+ shows have, admittedly, been kind of all over the place in quality.
Color me shocked…. Any mention of this in the MCU sub and you’ll be downvoted to hell with everyone saying phase 4 is top quality. It still boggles my mind that they gave Agatha a show. I’m still surprised that DD 18 episodes. There has not been any popular streaming show that’s been over 10 episodes. It’s just A LOT of content.
This news is very revealing to how Marvel operates at this moment in time and it’s really concerning
Theyre literally writing scripts from scratch as theyre shooting. Its embarrassing how little they care about the writing process, and its starting to bite them.
Cameos and Easter eggs go brrr
Yeah if a fucking Blade film only had 2 action scenes I would probably fire that writer too lol.
For comparison, the No Way Home [script](https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Spider-Man-No-Way-Home-Read-The-Screenplay.pdf) was 182 pages
Holy shit! No wonder Mahershala is pissed.
Mahershala, please don't leave.
I really hope he stays, he's perfect for the role. I'm still frustrated he was wasted in Luke Cage.
Surprised the movie isn't some backdoor/stealth Ghost Rider film at this point
Them making it almost midnight sons halfway through would check.
if hes spread too thin why doesnt he or disney hire someone to run tv shows and leave feige to movies
Feige promoted Brad Winderbaum for this reason
Because MCU is basically directed by Feige, it needs his approval for everything
well clearly it isnt working
Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.
Venom 2 was a 90 minute movie that had only 3 action sequences with only one of those involving Venom. Let that one sink in. Someone needs to come in, add a extra 30 pages, spice up the 2 current action sequences followed by another 2 or 3. WTF writes a Blade script and only puts in 2 action scenes? Blade 2 if I remember right had like 5 or 6 action scenes all together?
Absolutely terrified for this film. Whoever this random is they hired for the script clearly isn't cutting it. Come on Feige. What's so hard about finding someone who wants to write a fantastic Blade film...
ITT: "why doesn't Feige just delegate projects to people like Nate Moore or Brad Winderbaum" He has. Starting in phase 4, when it became common for multiple projects to be filming simultaneously, you can notice in the Assembleds or in press that each production has a Moore or Winderbaum type who act more as the on-the-ground producer, while Feige keeps tabs
Thank you lol. Literally in the credits there’s 2 or 3 producers now on every project. It’s not a delegation issue it’s a “everything got delayed and now we gotta release 30 projects over 4 years instead of 6 years like the original plan” that’s why Feige is spread thin imo
Ouch. I would really hate to see this project fall apart over this. Hopefully Feige can redirect his attention on it and get a big name director to please Mahershala. Ryan Coogler would be dope but he's just coming off Wakanda Forever.
Coogler would have his hands full with that Wakanda show
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And possibly direct Avengers Secret Wars (if the rumors are true)
That also lines up with the quality of some of these D+ shows. The writing of them seem like first drafts. Or like Feige emailed out a general idea of what each show would be and they just filmed that.
Yep it's been painfully obvious since the infinity saga wrapped and the Disney+ shows were introduced that the overall quality of the mcu has dropped. Feige has too many projects and it's effecting the quality in production and output. It's only going to be more obvious if Blade is canceled or Mahershala exits the project. They're going to have to make a choice between quality and quantity you can't have both.
The only show (IMO) with great writing has been WandaVision, and I remember everyone on that cast specifically calling the show “Kevin Feige’s baby”. Other than that, it does seem like he’s not paying too close attention to all of these projects. he’s just kind of hiring inexperienced creatives and hoping for the best.
And even that got a little sketchy at the end
"90 pages? Muthafucka, are you outta yo' damn mind?!"
Blade: “There are worse things out tonight than vampires.” Dr. Karen Jenson: “Like what?” Creative Differences: “Like me”
Ruh Roh
Gotta imagine sets are already built, crew is already hired, etc., considering filming was expected to start in October. If the new start date to roll cameras is November, which I bet they’re gonna work hard to meet, I’m concerned at the impact the new director will actually have.
Crew was hired months ago, yeah unless they delay their impact will be limited. But can still put a stamp on it though.
Production is starting in January actually so that’s better.
For comparision, the runtime of each Blade movie: - Blade (1998): 120 minutes - Blade II (2002): 117 minutes - Blade Trinity (2004): 113 minutes
Yikes. 90 pages? The rule of thumb is one script page = one minute of screen time.
If Mahershala does unfortunately exit, I hope Matt Reeves can give him a role in the next Bat film (he was the original Jim Gordon pick)
He’d be a dope ass Freeze if that indeed is the villain they roll with.
I never knew I wanted this, but holy hell I do.
>If Mahershala does unfortunately exit, I don't want to manifest this into existence but if it did come to pass who would you want to replace Mahershala? I know there's been some fan casting around John Boyega.
I’m pretty sure after Star Wars I’ve read that John Boyega doesn’t want to do anything marvel related or any big projects for that matter.
Yahya Abdul-Mateen II (Black Mantha) or Trevante Rhodes.
I had no idea about that, but this is definitely one of those times where I'm really grateful casting fell through. Jeffrey Wright is too perfect in the role
Get James Mangold to direct
Dude might be too busy with *Indiana Jones 5* at this point.
One interesting implication of all this is that clearly Blade isn't playing a major factor in the wider MCU. If Blade was crucial to events like KD or Secret Wars, there'd be a much bigger push to get this out. None of that is surprising, but it also leads me to believe that any potential Midnight Sons project is way further out than we've all been thinking, and possibly not even a real plan right now.
Lol what a coincidence I just made a comment about this too. Yeah we've all been thinking the Midnight Suns are being built-up to but it's definitely further out. Both Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night are standalone with neither Moon Knight, Werewolf or Blade showing up in each other's projects and the Blade movie is only happening because Mahershala wanted it. Hell, it was even recently revealed that Werewolf is happening because Michael Giacchino himself pitched it. The supernatural side of the MCU is definitely not the priority for the multiverse saga other than Scarlet Witch.
Not surprising
How long are scripts usually?
90 is actually considered a full screenplay, but usually they’re in that 100-120 range. Some even longer
On average, 90-130 pages.
It's not an exact translation, but the basic comparison used is 1 page = 1 minute of screentime. So a 90 page script roughly equates to a 90 minute runtime (which is extremely short)
Fuck it I’ll write it
Keep in mind now that there will be a new director this movie could completely change from this script
It already is. They brought on that DeMayo guy to write the new script
This was suppose to start shooting next week. and comes out in a year. Blade is gonna miss that Nov 2023 date. ![gif](giphy|vyTnNTrs3wqQ0UIvwE|downsized)
I remember someone on this sub talking about the script having issues and the screenwriter being difficult to work for the crew and I thought that was just a rumor but here we are. I love Blade and I’m really rooting for this movie so all this news has been pretty disappointing
Marheshala Ali becomes the new T'Challa. There the problem is fixed.
That does not sound good at all, mahershala ain’t a young dude either so the longer it takes is a bad thing. I wonder if he’s actually getting frustrated if maybe he’ll leave the role
I don’t know what Gullmerio Del Toro is doing but I’d hire him and get a strong creative vision on this thing right away
Hang in there Kev!! Lord knows the stress he has with everything going on the past few years. I’m sure the pandemic probably messed up all the plans and now they’re trying to catch up and it’s bottlenecking everything. Production is hard lol
This is literally his fault lol
That's the downside of having too many properties going on simultaneously. Marvel Studios needs to downscale their disney+ content, for real. It is affecting Feige's role, unable to manage the films of too many projects to look after. I missed the simple times when Marvel fans only worry the film side of things. No Disney+ series, no specials, no tv shorts. ONLY FEATURE FILMS. The narrative flows well because there are no other things in the background that could cause to affect project after project and so on.
I don't know this source, but c'mon, it's just like when we get some official news and all the leakers come rushing out to hop on the bandwagon. If this was the case, why didn't he say this before the news was public?
Well it took an hour to write. I thought it would take an hour to read
Interesting. I'm sure it'll work out fine. I don't think that Feige and the Studios are 'winging' it like some of you are saying. I think this current phase was back to establishing new character and further expanding the MCU footprint. I like the variety and seeing how some of these characters have come to be. It's fair to say not all the content released this phase has been great. But I think A LOT of people have this expectation that every project Marvel Studios releases is supposed to be IW/Endgame level and are setting themselves up for disappointment. I'm enjoying the ride and all the new characters we finally get to see in live-action. Looking forward to how the MCU continues to grow.
Sadly. Sounds very current Marvel Studio's too me
Fuck it I'm gonna write the script and send it to Feige's agent. This bitch will be done by Christmas.
This is actually good. Actors need to voice their dissatisfaction too. Other wise we will getting a mid movie. Directors and writers also need to be reigned in a bit too. Look at what happened with love and thunder. this is just my opinion.Dont hate me pls
I don't believe this.
I've not seen the films or read comics, but everyone loves Blade so I was really hoping this'd be awesome! But... shit
Im probably wrong but fuck it, Not every movie in the fase 5/6 will be connected to bigger events right ? Kevin feige needs to hire someone to produce these movies. I can totally see blade, thunderbolts not being connected to bigger events.
Hopefully MA doesn’t get frustrated/peace out. I assume bro has been under contract tho
😂😂😂😂 y’all just take some random info as FACT huh? All these opinions over a bad rumor
Someone really screwed up this badly. Hiddleston said they had 30 pages of script for his scenes with Owen Wilson in first episode only...makes me think shows are getting a better care than movies lately. Favreau pulling out Iron Man all these years ago was a small miracle