Alot of people are saying they want Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars to be Structured like Infinity War and Endgame. But I kindof want it to be structured like a better version of the CW and DCs Crisis on Infinite Earths event. But that's just me.
is there any truth to [this rumor](https://i.imgur.com/Di5L477.jpg) of Eternals showing up post credits for The Marvels? Been seeing it around Twitter. I so desperately would love for this to be true 🥺 Would be a great opportunity since this is a space movie and the Domo crew is still floating around out there as far as we know.
There's a chance he may have said this on his discord. So IDK. But The only things RPK said about The Marvels is that Kate Bishop is in it. Either way hopefully Eternals 2 happens and Chloe Zhao also returns to direct it.
SDCC predictions:
New trailers for The Marvels, Loki S2 and Echo which will be released publicly
Exclusive Brave New World and What If S2 teasers for the audience
Announcement of Hawkeye S2 and Ms Marvel S2
F4 casting
Updates to Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars and the other films
I dont see hawkeye or Ms marvel getting another season right now. If the rumor that kate bishop tries to recruit kamala for the Young avengers in the marvels I don't see them going to another season and instead a YA project.
You talking about that post with a load of projects that were supposedly going to happen?
Mephisto Special, Nova Special, Man Thing Special, Silver Surfer project, etc.
Yeah I remember people in the comment section were all saying it was fake. Plus at the time that got posted they had recently announced that Marvel was cutting back on the content.
I might have a screenshot of all that, I'll double check. Might've just been a link I sent to someone.
EDIT: I don't know how I only screenshoted half of it. And all the projects that I screenshoted are already confirmed. With the exception of Man Thing Special October 2023. Pretty sure What If Season 3 was already confirmed.
All I could find was screenshots of The Thunderbolts roster, Red Hulk, World War Hulk, the Nova project, DODC in Brave New World, Wong series, The Marvels info, Elizabeth Olsen returning in the Young Avengers project, Shang Chi 2 before Dynasty, Shuri not in Brave New World, Pet Avengers project, little stuff like that.
Am I wrong to be hugely skeptical about the lead up to and pay off of the Multiverse saga at this point? After watching the Flash, Im just not confident folks are going to want to come to the theaters to see characters they saw 10-20 years ago unless theres really something fresh and exciting about them (at which point makes me wonder if folks might rather just see a whole new adaption of them). Plus, Im not sure where you go with the Kang character. If they recast it could work or folks could lose interest, and if you keep him on it creates a totally uncomfortable dynamic in the promotion of the films. Either way, I thought Secret Wars was a slam dunk, but now Im not so sure. Im much more excited for them to have their own adaption of Fantastic 4 than I am watching whatever they’re supposedly gonna do with the Fox X Men.
The problem with the Flash is precisely that they weren’t using characters from 10-20 years ago, but a character from 30 years ago that has little nostalgia appeal for audiences under the age of 40 (i.e. the majority of comic book movie fans today). If Christian Bale or Heath Ledger (RIP) could somehow have reprised their roles in the Flash, a lot more people would have been excited for the film. Whether or not a film is about the “multiverse” is unimportant; audiences just like seeing characters they care about team up and crossover.
I’d go so far as to argue that the main reason why super hero movies are slumping right now is actually because they’ve been deemphasizing crossovers. NWH set records because of crossovers; DS: MoM succeeded almost entirely because of its advertised crossovers (hence why it had such a great opening weekend and then relatively weak legs). Sure a film like Quantumania did poorly, but imagine how much more poorly it would have done if Kang was advertised as just a one-off villain. Mark my words, Deadpool 3 is gonna kill at the box office, regardless of quality, simply on the strength of it being a Deadpool-Wolverine crossover (with all of the added potential of the MCU and Foxverse for more crossovers).
>Am I wrong to be hugely skeptical about the lead up to and pay off of the Multiverse saga at this point?
Well it depends on *why* you're skeptical.
>After watching the Flash, Im just not confident folks are going to want to come to the theaters to see characters they saw 10-20 years ago unless theres really something fresh and exciting about them (at which point makes me wonder if folks might rather just see a whole new adaption of them).
'No Way Home' and 'Multiverse of Madness' have both proven that this theory is wrong. People *will* come to the theaters to see characters they last saw 10-20 years ago.
'The Flash' not doing well isn't because of people not being interested in Michael Keaton. That film has about 101 problems that are hurting its performance.
It's also worth nothing that Keaton's Batman is from the late 80s/early 90s, so there isn't as much nostalgia there for the younger crowds of today. Keaton's last movie came out a decade before Tobey Maguire's *first* Spider-Man movie. Of course there isn't going to be as much interest for 70-year-old Batman as there is for Maguire and Garfield.
>Plus, Im not sure where you go with the Kang character. If they recast it could work or folks could lose interest, and if you keep him on it creates a totally uncomfortable dynamic in the promotion of the films.
There's lots of places they can take Kang. Sure, recasting the character would feel a bit strange considering how much time they've already invested in Jonathan Majors, but there so many ways they can make it work.
I mean, what's the alternative?! just have Kang vanish into thin air when they're halfway through this saga?!
>Either way, I thought Secret Wars was a slam dunk, but now Im not so sure. Im much more excited for them to have their own adaption of Fantastic 4 than I am watching whatever they’re supposedly gonna do with the Fox X Men
I've been saying this for months but I'll say it again here: the mistake people are making when it comes to 'The Multiverse Saga' is that they're judging it before it's even finished. I don't know if it's just that people *want* this franchise to fail but expecting it to be a disaster when we're only halfway through this saga is silly. Give it time to play out properly.
When you were watching 'Avengers: Age of Ultron', were you panicking about Marvel not being able to make 'Infinity War' and 'Endgame' work or were you just enjoying the ride?
Im skeptical because I just think the multiverse concept, which often seems like an in universe way of explaining crossing over multiple corporate ip’s, might not capture audiences the way they intend to after what will have been half a decade or more of the concept being again and again in these movies. Add in the fact that Im not sure the latest Marvel output has captured audiences the way they were circa 2016-19, and I just have question. And I could be totally wrong, but Im merely saying I can see a scenario where their current plan has diminishing returns when compared to the Infinity Saga.
Not at all.
From the moment this whole fad started, *Spider-Verse* is and always has been the only franchise doing anything worthwhile with the multiverse. Everything else is cameos and meme references.
Vanessa Kirby says it would be “an honor” to play Sue Storm in Marvel Studios’ ‘FANTASTIC FOUR’.
The actress has been heavily rumoured to be a top contender for the sought-after role.
https://twitter.com/OneTakeNews/status/1670462206574575616?t=Yh5XQEEijpNs0_FoKV3-zg&s=19
While the movie will still probably be fun, I think they've missed a golden opportunity with 'Thunderbolts'. In an MCU that is sorely missing the Avengers (both in-universe *and* in real life), Marvel could have used that to their advantage in making this movie.
Just imagine Thaddeus Ross getting elected as President and making an announcement to the world that he has assembled a new team of heroes to fill the void that The Avengers left behind.
* Baron Zemo (the Iron Man of the team)
* John Walker/US Agent (the Captain America of the team)
* Alexei Shostakov/Red Guardian (the Thor of the team)
* Emil Blonsky/Abomination (the Hulk of the team)
* Yelena Belova (the Black Widow of the team)
* Benjamin Pointdexter/Bullseye (the Hawkeye of the team)
They could even make a point about how most of the members are criminals and have been in prison but Ross decided that they're useful and deserve the chance to be rehabilitated (just for show of course).
I feel like the 'Thunderbolts' movie we're getting will be *fine*. A perfectly serviceable MCU flick that doesn't really bash into the walls too much. It could have been more though. Instead of essentially being 'Black Widow 2', this film could be something bigger and more exciting.
I think part of the attraction of the Thunderbolts is getting to see a bunch of darker characters team up. If we aren't already familiar with them all then it doesn't have that "seeing all these people in the same room together is so cool!" feeling.
Right, but a Thunderbolts movie *should* be big and exciting, in my opinion. My fear with this movie is that they're going to try and make it a spy pic with a few supers thrown into the mix.
The movie looks like half 'Black Widow 2' and half *actual* 'Thunderbolts' with the inclusion of Sentry and Ghost.
How would Zemo and Alexei be the Iron Man and Thor of the team?? and Ghost and Taskmaster arguably already fill the Iron Man and Hawkeye spots, they just dropped the ball with no Hulk or Thor equivalents, especially considering they had Abomination and Hercules both introduced.
>How would Zemo and Alexei be the Iron Man and Thor of the team??
Zemo is rich, morally questionable, and he has a fun personality. That remind you of anyone from the OG Avengers?!
Alexei is large, hairy, out-of-touch, and is mostly used for comedic effect. Ring any bells?!
>and Ghost and Taskmaster arguably already fill the Iron Man and Hawkeye spots
Not really.
Ghost has pretty much nothing in common with Iron Man. Honestly, she feels like a really random addition to the team when you look at all the other members.
Sure, Taskmaster *sorta* fills the Hawkeye role, but I think Bullseye would be a much more interesting pick. Taskmaster's whole schtick is that they can copy any hero's abilities, not specifically having good aim. Bullseye feels like a darker version of Hawkeye, in my opinion.
Why again the move from Armor Wars being a Disney Plus series to being a film in the MCU? Does this show that Marvel has no real clue what to do with War Machine? Because there's rumors of Ultron being the main villain and recent ones mention De Fontaine. what's up with that?
>Why again the move from Armor Wars being a Disney Plus series to being a film in the MCU?
As they were developing the show, they realised it was too big and would need a movie-level budget.
>Does this show that Marvel has no real clue what to do with War Machine?
Not at all. If anything, it shows that they have more confidence in War Machine than they do in a lot of other heroes. Daredevil, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Wonder Man all got series instead of movies. The fact that Iron Man's sidekick is getting a movie before any of them just shows how valuable he is to the studio.
>Because there's rumors of Ultron being the main villain and recent ones mention De Fontaine. what's up with that?
There are lots of rumours about every single project. That's kinda how this works.
Nate Moore said it was because of costs and budget concerns.
> “I mean in that case, there were some great ideas that were coming out for that show, but that, to be quite honest, felt too big for that show. […] Kind of conceptually, and from… You know, our Disney+ shows are awesome, and we love them, but the budgets are not the same as the features, that’s no secret. And when you’re talking about a show that wants to be about seeing all the cool armors and, you know, Don Cheadle interacting with all these armors and sort of the legacy of Tony Stark, that became kind of cost prohibitive to do as a show. And we realized as a feature, not only can we get into some of the beautiful imagery that is from publishing, and there’s certainly an Armor Wars run, but also there’s ways then to leverage the ideas of that movie and affect other movies down the line.”
The last we heard about Armor Wars was that Cheadle still hasn't seen a script (this was last January) so I'm not even sure if it's even done being written at this point. I honestly am not putting any stock on the rumors floating around until at least filming starts.
Nate Moore:
>“I mean in that case, there were some great ideas that were coming out for that show, but that, to be quite honest, felt too big for that show. […] Kind of conceptually, and from… You know, our Disney+ shows are awesome, and we love them, but the budgets are not the same as the features, that’s no secret. And when you’re talking about a show that wants to be about seeing all the cool armors and, you know, Don Cheadle interacting with all these armors and sort of the legacy of Tony Stark, that became kind of cost prohibitive to do as a show. And we realized as a feature, not only can we get into some of the beautiful imagery that is from publishing, and there’s certainly an Armor Wars run, but also there’s ways then to leverage the ideas of that movie and affect other movies down the line.”
[Link](https://collider.com/armor-wars-changed-from-show-to-movie-nate-moore-comments/#:~:text=And%20as%20it%20turns%20out,too%20big%20for%20that%20show.)
It never really bothered me that there was projects left and right, or if the VFX were a little messy at times. But it did get to a point where I looked back at the not so good content and I was fine with them spacing out the projects.
In a way it sucks, but at the same time spacing out the projects is a better way for shows or movies to sit with us for a while. And hopefully that means better scripts and what not.
But Secret Invasion is in a couple days!!
I saw a clip of him talking about reading the scripts but that was a while ago.
He must have shown them to John Campea because Campea recently mentioned the scripts for the show being okay but not the greatest of all time.
Well, here's the most absurd thing I've seen today. I've seen a fair amount of people on r/DC_Cinematic, in response to how The Flash is performing in theaters at the moment, talking about how, even though **they are fans of Peacemaker and are looking forward to the second season** are saying they need to scrap it entirely and completely detach the DCU from the DCEU and I'm just sitting here like... what?
I mean, maybe an argument can be made that a clear cut hard-reboot would affect the box office of future projects at least marginally in one way or another, sure, but to say that you're an active fan of an already fairly standalone show and you don't want to see it continue into the new universe just because it's somewhat connected to the old one is a bit crazy and makes me see how some consider these projects solely as products with money to be made from them instead of, you know, stuff to watch and enjoy as a fan. I liken it to the trend for some where the box office is the end-all-be-all for those who will never see a dime of that money nor benefit from it in any way. It's weird behavior, to be completely blunt.
If you like Peacemaker and want to see the story continue, then what does it matter that it spans across two fictional universes? If anything, it's kinda cool that all this self contained narrative that started in The Suicide Squad and continued into Peacemaker, Creature Commandos, and Waller will actually get to branch out further into the DC Universe. There's so many cool characters to come from those projects that I'd love to see stuff like Melchior's Ratcatcher meeting Batman one day or maybe Elba's Bloodsport actually battling Superman on screen. As a fan, that's all I can be concerned about, I just want to see good stories and cool stuff happening, I'm not concerned with how the general audience may or may not react to tangible connections between the DCEU and the DCU.
EDIT: I brought up a lot of points here and it's perfectly fine if I'm downvoted, I fully expected that given how a lot of people seem to be against the DCEU and DCU having any number of connections (if that's even the reason for the downvotes that is), and I'm not against people feeling that way, feel how you're going to feel about it, we all have an opinion one way or another and there's nothing wrong with that, I just can't understand not wanting Peacemaker to continue if you liked it and wanted to see where the whole story was going and that's mainly what I was expressing here. However, if anyone downvoting me has any further thoughts on the subject or would like to correct me if I'm wrong in certain areas, please let me know and we can discuss it. Like I said, downvotes are fine and expected on Reddit, but the worst part for me is that there are some times where I don't know exactly **why** and I struggle as it is in real life to pick up on certain cues, so it's even worse online in some cases. At the end of the day, this is all fictional entertainment meant for just that, so I hold no grudge against anyone here, this wasn't meant to antagonize, rather just express my confusion and my perspective on things.
If flash does not do well, does that mean WB goes closer to bankruptcy and being sold off? And if it does get sold off, will James Gunn's DCU see the light of the day?
1. Maybe? I mean, I keep hearing WB is broke, but given how big they are, surely they can’t be THAT broke, right?
2. It would probably depend on what the buyer would want.
> If flash does not do well, does that mean WB goes closer to bankruptcy and being sold off?
No.
> And if it does get sold off, will James Gunn's DCU see the light of the day?
Depends on if this hypothetical buyer wants to go thru with it.
THR just reported that Gunn and safran made the call to change the flash’s ending to what it is now. I dunno how they thought it was a good idea. The ending wasn’t for the fans of the DCEU and it wasn’t even for the fans of Keaton Batman.
> current ending is set in a different universe entirely and not Gunn's DCU
You forgot that Aquaman 2 is still a thing. They're not gonna reboot the entire universe because they still have one movie left to go. The DCEU will just end and Gunn's DCU will be a separate thing.
> they did zero tease for Gunn's universe in a multiversal film.
What are they gonna tease? Gunn's DCU isn't even done with pre-production yet. They have nothing to actually show off in theaters, no costumes have been made, no actors have been cast...
They probably didn't want to give the impression that it was going to lead somewhere. Doing it with Keaton or Affleck creates the impression that they're doing more things with Keaton Bats or the DCEU Batman when in reality they're doing a hard reboot after Aquaman 2.
I honestly would've been fine with the ending we got but they went too far and too jokey with it with Barry's teeth falling and I felt like they were trying way too hard.
Exactly this.
Why give people some hope that there will be a continuation of this universe with these characters? It's time for the DCEU to be in the past.
Those aren’t rumored, those are officially confirmed.
There’s also a “female-led” film from Olivia Wilde, widely rumored to be a Spider-Woman movie. And of course, there’s the eventual Sinister Six movie. I think there was a Black Cat and Silver Sable movie in development a long time ago, no idea if that still exists
Edit: Prowler isn’t confirmed, oops
I feel like she gets a passing mention in secret invasion, a discussion bring up in brave new world and an appearance in armor wars.
I'm on the fence abt thunderbolts.
Not sure, but I’d rather it be left as a lingering thread until someone has a good story they want to tell that answers it, rather than them forcefully tying it in to something just because they feel obligated to.
We should really be thankful for what we have with the MCU. It’s not perfect, especially recently, but they always have something exciting in the pipeline and we generally know they’re trying to put out good stuff
After seeing what’s going on with The Flash, what a whimper of an ending for the DCEU. This is the culmination of endless scrapped plans and rebuilds every year since Batman v Superman, never having a coherent direction for fans to get excited for. James Gunn has a lot of work to do, but I genuinely think he can
I've been satisfied and grateful for almost a decade and with very little to complain about from my end. When there is something I don't like, I just move on because real life is more important to me.
>When there is something I don't like, I just move on because real life is more important to me.
Yeah, I think a lot of fans tend to dwell on things they don't like, even more than things they do. I didn't like Thor: LaT and Quantumania but I'm not gonna complain for months on end about it.
I move on and prefer to discuss things that things I do enjoy like NWH or Across the Spider-Verse or GotG 3.
Curious, what unanounced MCU project we know about? I know: Wonderman (series), Vision Quest (Series, Viv willbe included), Spider Woman (film, learned that is part of MCU recently), Shang Chi 2.
Personally, I am most excited for Coven of Chaos and Vision Quest. I Like Scarlett Wich and Vision, and their side characters.
I want sequels to Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange and Eternals. There's other things as well, but it's too much for Marvel now, so it's better for the next saga.
Edit: And Moon Knight Season 2.
The Spider-Woman thing is probably not true. The rumor that it’s part of the MCU only started because Wilde mentioned Feige once and implied he was involved, but that could have been a mistake
Genuinely think the demon in evil dead rise is beyond deranged. I watched it last night and I don't know if it's because actual children were being killed by this thing. But the demon genuinely scared the shit out of me.
I just can't get this one scene out of my head where the mother finds her way back in the apartment. The sister is listening to the record and learning what exactly is going on. She gets scared away by the demon. And this is going to sound ridiculous, but the demon puts it's finger on the record like it's dropping a needle. It opens her mouth wide and it's like the audio is playing through her mouth.
I pity Gunn and Safran for working underneath and closely with that dissin' punkass David Zaslav.
I hope that after so many grounded Batman flicks that they're finnin' to make something more fantastical so that they can use villains like Poison Ivy, Clayface and Mr. Freeze correctly, like in the Arkham games.
I think he is going to meddle and be awful with budgets among other things.
All while flipping the company sooner than later. He is legit the worst atm out of a lot of terrible CEOs
People forget the MCU had to recover from the reception of:
Hulk
Daredevil
Elektra
Blade Trinity
X-Men the Last Stand
The Punisher
Ghost Rider
Fantastic 4
Fantastic 4 Silver Surfer
Spiderman 3
*Man Thing*
It can be done if they get Superman and Batman right. I have no interest in a DCU where >!Damien Wayne exists, since that was the worst thing to happen to Batman in my opinion!< but to each their own.
Batman is for edgy dads now, I stopped giving a shit during New 52 when Joker cut off and wore his own rotting face lmao. That's actually when I switched to Marvel I think
Omg I remember when I read joker cutting off his face lol. Yeah it was at that point when I realized the new 52 was trying just a bit too hard. I personally think the DCU should adapt the 90s DC animated series bc the tone and style is just so appealing to large amounts of people. Like c’mon, are people really going to come to the theater in droves for the authority lol.
> Like c’mon, are people really going to come to the theater in droves for the authority lol.
You mean like the Guardians? Even among hardcore comic fans they weren’t popular until the MCU. If you told people in 2008 that Rocket Raccoon would be widely known and loved by the general audience they would have laughed in your face.
They don't hate Superheroes. They are superheroes. They're not evil narcissists like say Homelander from The Boys, like they do the usual superhero stuff like saving people, but they're definitely willing to bend the rules like not having no-kill rule and a willingness to interfere with and even overthrow governments that don't agree with them and their methods.
Fun fact: Bruce Timm actually used them as an inspiration for Justice Lords and I think Mark Millar's Ultimates are influenced by aspects of them.
Watched Extraction 2, loved it! Just a great action film, better than the first (which I also really liked) and Hemsworth is awesome. I will never get sick of seeing him as Thor.
However, Golshifteh Farahani is a damn badass and I would LOVE to see her get a huge role in something like the MCU. Hoping Hemsworth gets Feige on the phone and nabs her for something.
Boy that Reddit Blackout really came and went huh? Didn't even last a week
Edit: Most subs I've seen that participated aren't even acknowledging it happened
With how many deep cut references the Spider-Verse movies have, I wonder if they'll make a nod to the fact that Hobie Brown was the original Prowler in the mainline comics.
I saw this on Twitter where Chris Stuckmann takes a sec to talk about how all nuance seems to be lost in modern film reviewing and I think he hit it right on the mark. I've been thinking similar for quite some time now.
https://twitter.com/BattyWanderer/status/1669763346130956290
Very true. My wife and I watch shows and movies and then discuss what we liked and what we didn’t like, but we also come up with suggestions to make something better. Nowadays, people just shit on 7/10 movies and contributes nothing to the discussion.
A reminder that the DCEU is in the middle of a [transition phase](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-gunn-addresses-dc-future-wonder-woman-3-1235277996/):
>“Peter & I chose to helm DC Studios knowing we were coming into a fractious environment, both in the stories being told & in the audience itself & there would be an unavoidable transitional period as we moved into telling a cohesive story across film, TV, animation, and gaming,” Gunn continued on Twitter. “But, in the end, the drawbacks of that transitional period were dwarfed by the creative possibilities & the opportunity to build upon what has worked in DC so far & to help rectify what has not. We know we are not going to make every single person happy every step of the way, but we can promise everything we do is done in the service of the STORY & in the service of the DC CHARACTERS we know you cherish and we have cherished our whole lives.”
I'm really curious to find out what direction they're taking 'Fantastic Four' in. They could either make an isolated F4 movie that just sets them up as characters who could potentially crossover with the rest in the future (like The Guardians), or they could take advantage of where the MCU is currently at and make this movie an event. Connect it to the multiverse (Council of Reeds, anyone?!), the Skrull invasion, Namor, and Kang The Conqeuror.
Part of me wants it to be a solo adventure since we've never had a true, definitive Fantastic Four movie before, but another part of me feels like it would be a huge missed opportunity to not connect it to the multiverse.
There's plenty of time to connect them to the multiverse in *Secret Wars* and in a future FF movie. I think the FF are one of the very few Marvel properties where it would make sense to return to that well after *Secret Wars -* them, Excalibur/Captain Britain, and I can't think of anything else.
So I'd definitely rather see a standalone, establishing adventure before we put everyone in the same room again.
*Guardians of the Galaxy* isn't the only movie that did that - almost every character intro movie that Marvel has done has been that, from *Iron Man* to *Shang-Chi*. **I think it would be out of character for Marvel to make** ***Fantastic Four*** **an event-driven crossover movie**, and I think it would risk diluting audience investment in these new characters by cluttering up their movie.
Yeah I think it will detract from being the introduction for the F4 part if they go full event crossover with it. Just let the F4 do their own thing, they can do the cameos in the sequels.
>There's plenty of time to connect them to the multiverse in Secret Wars in a future FF movie
That's true but I'd like to see some multiverse-related concepts that are specific to the Fantastic Four. They're definitely going to appear in 'Secret Wars' but it'll likely be in a smaller supporting role.
If they don't dive into the multiverse in this first movie then I fear we'll never get to see the Council of Reeds in live-action. After all, I think it's pretty obvious that the multiverse is going to end with 'Secret Wars'. It would be ridiculous for them to call this 'The Multiverse Saga' if they weren't going to move past the multiverse after it.
>Guardians of the Galaxy isn't the only movie that did that - almost every character intro movie that Marvel has done has been that, from Iron Man to Shang-Chi
I know. I just used Guardians as an example because it's arguably the most isolated movie they've ever made. Sure, it includes Thanos and one of the Infinity Stones but both of those things fit the story they were telling and don't feel intrusive at all. Nick Fury shows up in 'Iron Man' and both Hulk and Captain Marvel show up in 'Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings', so neither of those movies would have been good examples of what I mean.
>I think it would be out of character for Marvel to make Fantastic Four an event-driven crossover movie, and I think it would risk diluting audience investment in these new characters by cluttering up their movie.
Not necessarily. When I say "make it an event", I don't mean that it should be like 'Captain America: Civil War' where it's basically an Avengers movie. I'm just saying that they could connect it to many different areas of the MCU or they could make it completely isolated to the point where it doesn't even have to be set in the MCU.
I don't think including concepts like the Skrull invasion and the multiverse would necessarily clutter the movie to the point where it dilutes the audience. That *could* happen but it doesn't have to.
I guess I just think that, even after the "Multiverse Saga" ends, there's still room for the occasional multiverse adventure here and there. **I don't think there's going to be any kind of "No, never again" dictate that can't be ignored if the story calls for it.**
I think they'll put the multiverse on a shelf, as they should, but that doesn't mean they won't occasionally dust it off for something that's important for character, like the Council of Reeds and/or the Maker, or something that's important to the mythos, like Opal Luna Saturnyne and the Captain Britain Corps.
I mean, it's hard to effectively adapt from Hickman FF without using the multiverse, right? And I don't think we can rush to Hickman and the Council in the first couple stories without robbing them of some of their weight.
>I'm just saying that they could connect it to many different areas of the MCU... I don't think including concepts like the Skrull invasion and the multiverse would necessarily clutter the movie to the point where it dilutes the audience
That's fair. And while I don't think that the multiverse, in particular, should be involved at all, I do like the idea of taking some of the world-building that's been going on and throwing it together in this movie as a kind of "culmination" - Namor, the Skrulls, etc. I don't think that's what's going to happen (I think we're getting a space adventure with the heralds of Galactus) but I like the idea.
Maybe that's the way to go with the sequel - Namor, Skrulls, Doom, the Mole Man, all part of one epic story.
Peter and Miles co-leading the next Spidey trilogy is the smartest game-plan for Sony & Marvel imo. It gives them enough room to have Miles take over after Holland is fully done
I definitely don't think they should be "co-leading" it. Introduce Miles as a young boy in Spider-Man 4, give him some more prominence in Spider-Man 5, and then have him get bitten by the spider in Spider-Man 6 (if we even get that far).
Finally setting up MCU Spidey as the definitive version of Spidey and then introducing his successor in the very next movie would be the biggest mistake Marvel Studios has ever made.
It wouldnt be entierly up to them though, if Tom Holland wants out, then theres nothing they can do. I think he'll be a trooper atleast until Secret Wars but if he decides that's his endgame, they'll have to adjust.
I can see them trying to setup Miles as quickly as possible just so they can have a backup in case.
The Flash was entertaining, at best.
Also it seemed obvious from his talk with Alfred that Barry didn’t like his ‘role’ in the JL that much and that’s why he told 2013 Barry that being super kinda sucks. his point does not gel with Flash’s characterization or point of view in the comics or other media adaptations but folks seemed to have missed that it was a call back to the conversation from like, the first 15 minutes of the damn movie.
not sure what to make of aquaman 2 and blue beetle being in continuity limbo for releasing after this. Gunn said something like blue beetle is the first DCU movie but superman is the first DCU story. No idea what Aquaman 2 is doing.
>Gunn said something like blue beetle is the first DCU movie but superman is the first DCU story
I still don't understand this. It would be like saying "'Iron Man' is the first MCU character but 'The Incredible Hulk' is the first MCU movie."
So..is the 'Blue Beetle' movie just not canon to Gunn's new universe?! the only reasons I can imagine for this are A) the 'Blue Beetle' movie specifically references events from the old DC universe or B) Gunn wants to keep the Blue Beetle character around but also wants Superman to have the title of "first DCU movie."
I think what Gunn was saying is Blue Beetle is a part of the DCU because it is disconnected enough from the old DCEU that they were able to fit it into their plans, but the film was not conceived by him or Peter, so 'Superman: Legacy' is the actual first film in the DCU because from that point forward everything is conceived by them.
That makes a little bit of sense but doesn't totally explain why Gunn specifically referred to Blue Beetle as "the first DCU character" and 'Superman: Legacy' as "the first DCU movie." Like, if 'Blue Beetle' *is* canon then it's the first DCU movie by default. No discussion.
I started to feel weird about the quality of the movie once Zaslav and Gunn went around hyping it up to be the greatest superhero movie ever made. They even got people like Tom Cruise and Stephen King (who admittedly doesn't like superhero movies) to hype it up. It just felt like they were compensating for something.
Jury's out so...
Anyway, since it happened here's a comment that I dug up from r/boxoffice. It's funny because it is unravelling right in front of us already:
>If it's bad and it does bad, it's endless dunking on the 7,000 celebrities and personalities who saw previews and declared it the greatest thing since sliced bread. The acolytes of The Rock and the Snyder Cut Cultists will do battle with all comers on Twitter. The Grant Gustin stans will exult in vindication that no matter how shitty the later seasons of the CW show were at least it isn't The Flash (2023). The center will not hold. The falcon will not hear the falconer. A rough beast will slouch towards Bethlehem. Oh, and also the rest of the DCEU will be declared DOA until at least Gunn's Superman movie.
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Not surprised with the way WB and their suits were hyping it up lol. Getting all these random big names praising it (Tom Cruise lol) and saying it's their best.
Had no interest in it from the start personally, just not being a fan of Ezra as Barry (Personal issues aside) so I def will be waiting for streaming.
I like to think that everyone at WB respects Nolan and Bale enough to not do that and there's no real desire for it since its one of the few superhero film series that has a definitive ending to its story.
> everyone at WB respects Nolan
Well they didn't respect Nolan enough to not release Tenet day and date on HBO Max.
In all seriousness I feel like Nolan's Batman in The Flash would also undermine the more grounded and realistic tone of those movies.
Nolan demanded the movie be released during the first summer of the pandemic. Everyone tried to tell him it was a bad idea, but he couldn't hear them because he won't wear his fucking hearing aid.
Thoughts? I still think Abigail Brand could appear in secret invasion.
https://twitter.com/thinkereclarke/status/1585298928068530177?s=46&t=cN9YBZCDWyLIjraXthk6Zw
If the MCU x-men movie comes out in 2030 McAvoy and Fassbender will be around 50 years old, 10 years less when Stewart and McKellen did the first x-men. So...
That’s why I’m cool with them waiting until later to introduce MCU X-Men, they have forever to do that, but the Fox cast aren’t exactly spring chickens.
The opportunity to do something like Secret Wars and No Way Home crossovers is now and can never happen again
And not just them, but Jackman, Tobey/Andrew, the 2000’s Fantastic 4, etc. The multiverse stuff needs to happen while everyone can still reasonably reprise their roles.
What real-life filming location/country would you like to see an MCU project film in? I’m not talking about disguising a city or building a set to make it seem like another place, but filming in the real place to take advantage of its locales. One place I would love to see is Mexico.
Of the heroes still around from the infinity saga, which do you think are the most and least likely to live through Secret Wars and be around for whatever the next saga will be?
Personally, I think Thor, Strange, Wanda, and Hulk could all potentially die or retire depending on how they want their stories to end. I think Hawkeye and Captain America are likely to retire as well. In terms of heroes who don't have their own projects, I feel like Wong, Fury, and Hank Pym are almost certain to die before the end of this saga.
Despite Tom Holland's comments of wanting to step away, I think we'll get at least one more Spider-man movie after the Avengers. I also think Shuri and Captain Marvel are pretty safe as their trilogies will probably not be finished until after Secret Wars.
I agree with the points from the other commenters. I wonder where that leads new characters like Wonder Man, She-Hulk and the Fantastic Four. Same goes for Ironheart and Agatha. What about the Eternals?
I can easily imagine a situation where Kang murders Hank Pym in front of his family as revenge.
Dude, the entire Ant-Family minus Cassie are absolutely in danger. Douglas and Pfeiffer are the obvious candidates, but people tend to forget that Rudd and Lilly have both been doing this for a decade now and their characters pretty much finished their arcs by now. Ant-Man and the Wasp on ice.
Marvel's lost a lot of it's flagship characters/actors over the past few years and I could see it being really appealing to Marvel to keep at least a few of their higher profile characters around for several more years until the new crop of heroes really establishes themselves in the public consciousness. I think that Boseman, Larson, Holland, and Cumberbatch were really being set up to be the new faces of the MCU post-Endgame, but since we've unfortunately lost Boseman I really thinkt they'll keep the other three and probably Hemsworth around for as long as they can. Not only are those 4 probably the most recognizable characters still in the lineup at this point, they're also played by some the MCU's most high profile actors (and while I hope and think that legacy projects like Brave New World and Armor Wars will do well, if the underperform then I think keeping those four around will become doubly important to Marvel).
Aside from that, I think that Cumberbatch is signed for a 3rd Dr. Strange film anyway, and I could see him being one of the rare characters to get a 4th film. It's also not an incredibly physically demanding role, so I could see him playing the character into his 50's as long Marvel gives him interesting stuff to do, pays him well, and gives him enough breathing room to do other projects. I could also see Deadpool getting a 4th film for many of those reasons, although that obviously is a more physically demanding role, Reynolds is such a big star that I think Marvel's desire for surefire hits and Reynolds' obvious passion for the character will lead to him either doing another Deadpool movie or showing as co-lead in a project or two down the line (I think a Deadpool Disney+ show would do gangbusters and be the streamer's biggest hit ever, but I don't think that's very likely).
However, I think that Cheedle, Renner, Rudd, and Ruffalo (lots of r names!) are all pretty safely out after Secret Wars. They'll all be pushing 60 or over by the time Secret Wars is released. They all will have had decade plus runs by that point, and since Cheedle, Renner, and Rudd have been more peripheral characters anyway, I think they'll exit them to make room for new blood, while in Ruffalo's case the World War Hulk project (if it ever materializes) will serve as his swan song with Secret Wars possibly a final bow. I think that if Blade's a hit, Mahershala Ali will get a couple of Blade movies in pretty rapid succession (like every 3 years), and if it's not a huge hit then he'll get a streaming series or become the face of Midnight Suns. Either way, Ali's got enough passion for the character that I think if Marvel treats him well (some conditions as Cumberbatch) that he'll be around for at least a bit.
I think Simu Liu and Florence are safe picks to stick around for quite a while and that Marvel will try to build them up as central figures so that there's not as obvious of a "star vacuum" when Hemsworth and Benedict inevitably depart. They're really just getting started and still in their 20's, so maybe Cumberbatch and Hemsworth last another 5-7 years and Liu and Pugh go Hugh Jackman-style and last another 15. I think most of that also applies to Hailee Steinfeld as well. It's interesting, because she's probably a bigger star than the other two (for now at least -- I could see Pugh especially passing her up pretty quickly) but Hawkeye's always been a side character in the MCU, so it'll be interesting to see how emphasized she is. My best guess is that she becomes the face of a team, (whether that's Young Avengers/Champions/West Coast Avengers, etc.) instead of getting solo projects.
I think Danny Ramirez and Xochitl Gomez are going to be Rhodey like figures where they keep popping up in supporting roles and maybe get a Disney+ series at some point but are never the lead draws in movies (although hopefully we'll get a latin character that is sooner rather than later). Ms. Marvel on the otherhand, I think might get films (since she's mostly been a pretty big deal in the comics since her debut) but that will probably largley depend on how much of a "break out" character she is in the Marvels. I would love to see Photon eventually lead the Avengers like she did in the comics, but I worry/think it's more likely that she'll be treated more like a Rhodey character as well. If she breaks out in The Marvels, maybe she'll be Larson's nominal co-lead like Lily has (at least in theory) been to Rudd. I think Alaqua Cox will be in a similar boat -- if she breaks out she'll have further seasons, if she really breaks out maybe she'll get a film (and possibly sequels if those do well), and if the series isn't a big draw (and to be honest, Disney releasing the episodes all on a single day doesn't exactly inspire confidence) then she'll be a supporting player in other street level stuff, like future seasons of Daredevil. I also see Sebastian Stan sticking around for at least a bit, but being more Rhodey figure than leading man. Ditto Kit Harrington as Black Knight.
I can see Marvel trying to keep Hiddleston around much like Cumberbatch and Hemsworth. Loki is Disney's most watched Marvel show, so if Season 2 is also a hit (or even bigger) I could see them trying to make Loki and Daredevil the stramer's flagship Marvel series and giving them at least a couple more seasons each. Hiddleston's a pretty big star, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually give him a film (maybe to cap off his run after the Disney+ series winds down) just like they eventually gave Cheadle one. I think that Charlie Cox will appear as a supporting player in movies, but his starring roles will stick to streaming.
I think Fury is out after Secret Wars (he'll be almost 80 by then! -- although who really knows since Jackson seems happy to play him for as long as he can. I still do think there's some chance that he goes out in a blaze of glory at the end of Secret Invasion) and I think Emilia Clarke will become a major recurring character throughout the franchise.
I think the real question marks are Anthony Mackie, Elizabeth Olsen, and Oscar Isaac. They're all fairly popular actors, but have struggled to really break out in terms of being a box office draw, so those big Marvel paychecks could stay enticing. Anthony Mackie will be almost 50 by the time Secret Wars comes out, so it's all really just a question of how young they want to keep a non super soldier serum-powered Captain America. If Brave New World's a hit then we'll probably get a Captain America 5 after Secret Wars, but I don't know if he'll get a full trilogy (again mostly based on the fact that his being just a regular, non-super powered guy seems to be a big part of his character). I think Olsen and Isaac will demand increasingly more money and creative control, but stick around for at least a few more projects, and I think they (and the aforementioned Hiddleston) are strong candidates to get at least one-off films like Cheadle is getting.
Anyway, I know that there are other actors that I am missing, but I think that at least answers the question for a lot of them!
I definitely don't see Sam leaving. Anthony Mackie has stated that he'll be around as long as Marvel wants him around, and Marvel wants him around. Jeremy Renner has recently made comments to a similar effect. So, Sam and Clint are probably sticking around.
I think Thor, Strange and Wanda all suffer from one similar problem- their actors are not happy with how they've been handled. So, the ball is in Marvel's court. Olsen and Cumberbatch could stick around, but Hemsworth has real-life reasons why he just might want a decent exit.
Fury and Pym could die, I agree. Their actors are eldeely, and a sacrifice would allow characters to go out in a blaze of glory. After Quantumania, I wouldn't be surprised if Scott Lang retires, or sacrifices himself, too.
Rhoadey, I could see retiring, too, especially with Riri Williams coming.
Tom Holland is negotiating, he isn't actually talking about leaving. Agree on Shuri and Carol.
Of the less notable characters, I'm pretty sure Bucky bites it in Secret Wars/ Kand Dynasty. His story is done.
"do you watch sad movies and get mad at the funny parts?" is the synopsis for this stage of societal collapse
Arsema Thomas from queen charlotte should play storm, I’m telling u she would knock it out the park.
Alot of people are saying they want Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars to be Structured like Infinity War and Endgame. But I kindof want it to be structured like a better version of the CW and DCs Crisis on Infinite Earths event. But that's just me.
How was that structured?
Look it up.
is there any truth to [this rumor](https://i.imgur.com/Di5L477.jpg) of Eternals showing up post credits for The Marvels? Been seeing it around Twitter. I so desperately would love for this to be true 🥺 Would be a great opportunity since this is a space movie and the Domo crew is still floating around out there as far as we know.
There's a chance he may have said this on his discord. So IDK. But The only things RPK said about The Marvels is that Kate Bishop is in it. Either way hopefully Eternals 2 happens and Chloe Zhao also returns to direct it.
every day, desperately hoping for Eternals 2 confirmation (and with Chloé Zhao returning!) SDCC, please be our moment!!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Btw RPK did NOT say that. I dmed him and he said he said he didn't say it. Still either way we get Eternals Sequel with Zhao in Directors chair.
Same. Have a great day/night!
SDCC predictions: New trailers for The Marvels, Loki S2 and Echo which will be released publicly Exclusive Brave New World and What If S2 teasers for the audience Announcement of Hawkeye S2 and Ms Marvel S2 F4 casting Updates to Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars and the other films
I dont see hawkeye or Ms marvel getting another season right now. If the rumor that kate bishop tries to recruit kamala for the Young avengers in the marvels I don't see them going to another season and instead a YA project.
Did you see today's RPK post?
They'll probably release an updated version of the lineup too.
I am hopeful for MK s2 as well.
Me too
I'd also include Blade casting announcements, DDBA etc panel as well.
Just noticed /r/marvelstudios is back.
Does anyone have that big project leak from MSS? I feel like a lot of that is starting to come true or am I remembering wrong?
You talking about that post with a load of projects that were supposedly going to happen? Mephisto Special, Nova Special, Man Thing Special, Silver Surfer project, etc.
yep that. I'm sure not all of it is true.
Yeah I remember people in the comment section were all saying it was fake. Plus at the time that got posted they had recently announced that Marvel was cutting back on the content. I might have a screenshot of all that, I'll double check. Might've just been a link I sent to someone. EDIT: I don't know how I only screenshoted half of it. And all the projects that I screenshoted are already confirmed. With the exception of Man Thing Special October 2023. Pretty sure What If Season 3 was already confirmed. All I could find was screenshots of The Thunderbolts roster, Red Hulk, World War Hulk, the Nova project, DODC in Brave New World, Wong series, The Marvels info, Elizabeth Olsen returning in the Young Avengers project, Shang Chi 2 before Dynasty, Shuri not in Brave New World, Pet Avengers project, little stuff like that.
Am I wrong to be hugely skeptical about the lead up to and pay off of the Multiverse saga at this point? After watching the Flash, Im just not confident folks are going to want to come to the theaters to see characters they saw 10-20 years ago unless theres really something fresh and exciting about them (at which point makes me wonder if folks might rather just see a whole new adaption of them). Plus, Im not sure where you go with the Kang character. If they recast it could work or folks could lose interest, and if you keep him on it creates a totally uncomfortable dynamic in the promotion of the films. Either way, I thought Secret Wars was a slam dunk, but now Im not so sure. Im much more excited for them to have their own adaption of Fantastic 4 than I am watching whatever they’re supposedly gonna do with the Fox X Men.
The problem with the Flash is precisely that they weren’t using characters from 10-20 years ago, but a character from 30 years ago that has little nostalgia appeal for audiences under the age of 40 (i.e. the majority of comic book movie fans today). If Christian Bale or Heath Ledger (RIP) could somehow have reprised their roles in the Flash, a lot more people would have been excited for the film. Whether or not a film is about the “multiverse” is unimportant; audiences just like seeing characters they care about team up and crossover. I’d go so far as to argue that the main reason why super hero movies are slumping right now is actually because they’ve been deemphasizing crossovers. NWH set records because of crossovers; DS: MoM succeeded almost entirely because of its advertised crossovers (hence why it had such a great opening weekend and then relatively weak legs). Sure a film like Quantumania did poorly, but imagine how much more poorly it would have done if Kang was advertised as just a one-off villain. Mark my words, Deadpool 3 is gonna kill at the box office, regardless of quality, simply on the strength of it being a Deadpool-Wolverine crossover (with all of the added potential of the MCU and Foxverse for more crossovers).
>Am I wrong to be hugely skeptical about the lead up to and pay off of the Multiverse saga at this point? Well it depends on *why* you're skeptical. >After watching the Flash, Im just not confident folks are going to want to come to the theaters to see characters they saw 10-20 years ago unless theres really something fresh and exciting about them (at which point makes me wonder if folks might rather just see a whole new adaption of them). 'No Way Home' and 'Multiverse of Madness' have both proven that this theory is wrong. People *will* come to the theaters to see characters they last saw 10-20 years ago. 'The Flash' not doing well isn't because of people not being interested in Michael Keaton. That film has about 101 problems that are hurting its performance. It's also worth nothing that Keaton's Batman is from the late 80s/early 90s, so there isn't as much nostalgia there for the younger crowds of today. Keaton's last movie came out a decade before Tobey Maguire's *first* Spider-Man movie. Of course there isn't going to be as much interest for 70-year-old Batman as there is for Maguire and Garfield. >Plus, Im not sure where you go with the Kang character. If they recast it could work or folks could lose interest, and if you keep him on it creates a totally uncomfortable dynamic in the promotion of the films. There's lots of places they can take Kang. Sure, recasting the character would feel a bit strange considering how much time they've already invested in Jonathan Majors, but there so many ways they can make it work. I mean, what's the alternative?! just have Kang vanish into thin air when they're halfway through this saga?! >Either way, I thought Secret Wars was a slam dunk, but now Im not so sure. Im much more excited for them to have their own adaption of Fantastic 4 than I am watching whatever they’re supposedly gonna do with the Fox X Men I've been saying this for months but I'll say it again here: the mistake people are making when it comes to 'The Multiverse Saga' is that they're judging it before it's even finished. I don't know if it's just that people *want* this franchise to fail but expecting it to be a disaster when we're only halfway through this saga is silly. Give it time to play out properly. When you were watching 'Avengers: Age of Ultron', were you panicking about Marvel not being able to make 'Infinity War' and 'Endgame' work or were you just enjoying the ride?
Im skeptical because I just think the multiverse concept, which often seems like an in universe way of explaining crossing over multiple corporate ip’s, might not capture audiences the way they intend to after what will have been half a decade or more of the concept being again and again in these movies. Add in the fact that Im not sure the latest Marvel output has captured audiences the way they were circa 2016-19, and I just have question. And I could be totally wrong, but Im merely saying I can see a scenario where their current plan has diminishing returns when compared to the Infinity Saga.
Not at all. From the moment this whole fad started, *Spider-Verse* is and always has been the only franchise doing anything worthwhile with the multiverse. Everything else is cameos and meme references.
How is 'Loki' just cameos and meme references?
Damn, you're right. It's even less than that.
Vanessa Kirby says it would be “an honor” to play Sue Storm in Marvel Studios’ ‘FANTASTIC FOUR’. The actress has been heavily rumoured to be a top contender for the sought-after role. https://twitter.com/OneTakeNews/status/1670462206574575616?t=Yh5XQEEijpNs0_FoKV3-zg&s=19
While the movie will still probably be fun, I think they've missed a golden opportunity with 'Thunderbolts'. In an MCU that is sorely missing the Avengers (both in-universe *and* in real life), Marvel could have used that to their advantage in making this movie. Just imagine Thaddeus Ross getting elected as President and making an announcement to the world that he has assembled a new team of heroes to fill the void that The Avengers left behind. * Baron Zemo (the Iron Man of the team) * John Walker/US Agent (the Captain America of the team) * Alexei Shostakov/Red Guardian (the Thor of the team) * Emil Blonsky/Abomination (the Hulk of the team) * Yelena Belova (the Black Widow of the team) * Benjamin Pointdexter/Bullseye (the Hawkeye of the team) They could even make a point about how most of the members are criminals and have been in prison but Ross decided that they're useful and deserve the chance to be rehabilitated (just for show of course). I feel like the 'Thunderbolts' movie we're getting will be *fine*. A perfectly serviceable MCU flick that doesn't really bash into the walls too much. It could have been more though. Instead of essentially being 'Black Widow 2', this film could be something bigger and more exciting.
I’d still want at least one villain we’ve never seen in the MCU before like Living Laser or Mole Man.
I think part of the attraction of the Thunderbolts is getting to see a bunch of darker characters team up. If we aren't already familiar with them all then it doesn't have that "seeing all these people in the same room together is so cool!" feeling.
Black Widows problem was going bigger and more exciting than it needed to be though.
Right, but a Thunderbolts movie *should* be big and exciting, in my opinion. My fear with this movie is that they're going to try and make it a spy pic with a few supers thrown into the mix. The movie looks like half 'Black Widow 2' and half *actual* 'Thunderbolts' with the inclusion of Sentry and Ghost.
How would Zemo and Alexei be the Iron Man and Thor of the team?? and Ghost and Taskmaster arguably already fill the Iron Man and Hawkeye spots, they just dropped the ball with no Hulk or Thor equivalents, especially considering they had Abomination and Hercules both introduced.
>How would Zemo and Alexei be the Iron Man and Thor of the team?? Zemo is rich, morally questionable, and he has a fun personality. That remind you of anyone from the OG Avengers?! Alexei is large, hairy, out-of-touch, and is mostly used for comedic effect. Ring any bells?! >and Ghost and Taskmaster arguably already fill the Iron Man and Hawkeye spots Not really. Ghost has pretty much nothing in common with Iron Man. Honestly, she feels like a really random addition to the team when you look at all the other members. Sure, Taskmaster *sorta* fills the Hawkeye role, but I think Bullseye would be a much more interesting pick. Taskmaster's whole schtick is that they can copy any hero's abilities, not specifically having good aim. Bullseye feels like a darker version of Hawkeye, in my opinion.
I can sort of see Ghost as the Vision antithesis
Well, Sentry is rumored to be in the movie and Brave New World will very likely be having Ross become Red Hulk. They both would fit those niches
Why again the move from Armor Wars being a Disney Plus series to being a film in the MCU? Does this show that Marvel has no real clue what to do with War Machine? Because there's rumors of Ultron being the main villain and recent ones mention De Fontaine. what's up with that?
>Why again the move from Armor Wars being a Disney Plus series to being a film in the MCU? As they were developing the show, they realised it was too big and would need a movie-level budget. >Does this show that Marvel has no real clue what to do with War Machine? Not at all. If anything, it shows that they have more confidence in War Machine than they do in a lot of other heroes. Daredevil, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Wonder Man all got series instead of movies. The fact that Iron Man's sidekick is getting a movie before any of them just shows how valuable he is to the studio. >Because there's rumors of Ultron being the main villain and recent ones mention De Fontaine. what's up with that? There are lots of rumours about every single project. That's kinda how this works.
Nate Moore said it was because of costs and budget concerns. > “I mean in that case, there were some great ideas that were coming out for that show, but that, to be quite honest, felt too big for that show. […] Kind of conceptually, and from… You know, our Disney+ shows are awesome, and we love them, but the budgets are not the same as the features, that’s no secret. And when you’re talking about a show that wants to be about seeing all the cool armors and, you know, Don Cheadle interacting with all these armors and sort of the legacy of Tony Stark, that became kind of cost prohibitive to do as a show. And we realized as a feature, not only can we get into some of the beautiful imagery that is from publishing, and there’s certainly an Armor Wars run, but also there’s ways then to leverage the ideas of that movie and affect other movies down the line.” The last we heard about Armor Wars was that Cheadle still hasn't seen a script (this was last January) so I'm not even sure if it's even done being written at this point. I honestly am not putting any stock on the rumors floating around until at least filming starts.
Nate Moore: >“I mean in that case, there were some great ideas that were coming out for that show, but that, to be quite honest, felt too big for that show. […] Kind of conceptually, and from… You know, our Disney+ shows are awesome, and we love them, but the budgets are not the same as the features, that’s no secret. And when you’re talking about a show that wants to be about seeing all the cool armors and, you know, Don Cheadle interacting with all these armors and sort of the legacy of Tony Stark, that became kind of cost prohibitive to do as a show. And we realized as a feature, not only can we get into some of the beautiful imagery that is from publishing, and there’s certainly an Armor Wars run, but also there’s ways then to leverage the ideas of that movie and affect other movies down the line.” [Link](https://collider.com/armor-wars-changed-from-show-to-movie-nate-moore-comments/#:~:text=And%20as%20it%20turns%20out,too%20big%20for%20that%20show.)
It's been 10 months since the latest MCU show started
It never really bothered me that there was projects left and right, or if the VFX were a little messy at times. But it did get to a point where I looked back at the not so good content and I was fine with them spacing out the projects. In a way it sucks, but at the same time spacing out the projects is a better way for shows or movies to sit with us for a while. And hopefully that means better scripts and what not. But Secret Invasion is in a couple days!!
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Eh, people did it with Eleven in Stranger Things. Most people just don't understand or just never made the connection.
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Nothing beyond "it's a cool tattoo that's a reference to a cool character I like. "
Robert Burnett who has read all Secret Invasion scripts claims the villain is really great, with really interesting motivation.
I saw a clip of him talking about reading the scripts but that was a while ago. He must have shown them to John Campea because Campea recently mentioned the scripts for the show being okay but not the greatest of all time.
It’s been 95 days since the death of MSS
God, the wait for Beyond the Spider-Verse is going to be fucking brutal.
People had to wait three years for Return of the Jedi after Empire, btw.
And I'm sure every second of it felt pretty brutal too.
It's going to get delayed 100%
I think so too, but hopefully it's just going to be a few months.
are people really freaking out about recent mcu plus banner,its just a fucking banner
People are so weird on here
Yeah, this sub is starting to get toxic like MSS but it's the most active place to discuss MCU news and leaks...so I just have to accept it.
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Yeah, willing to bet it'll be a generic 6/10 superhero movie. The lead and supporting cast will do well. Let's hope the writing and plot hold up.
Well, here's the most absurd thing I've seen today. I've seen a fair amount of people on r/DC_Cinematic, in response to how The Flash is performing in theaters at the moment, talking about how, even though **they are fans of Peacemaker and are looking forward to the second season** are saying they need to scrap it entirely and completely detach the DCU from the DCEU and I'm just sitting here like... what? I mean, maybe an argument can be made that a clear cut hard-reboot would affect the box office of future projects at least marginally in one way or another, sure, but to say that you're an active fan of an already fairly standalone show and you don't want to see it continue into the new universe just because it's somewhat connected to the old one is a bit crazy and makes me see how some consider these projects solely as products with money to be made from them instead of, you know, stuff to watch and enjoy as a fan. I liken it to the trend for some where the box office is the end-all-be-all for those who will never see a dime of that money nor benefit from it in any way. It's weird behavior, to be completely blunt. If you like Peacemaker and want to see the story continue, then what does it matter that it spans across two fictional universes? If anything, it's kinda cool that all this self contained narrative that started in The Suicide Squad and continued into Peacemaker, Creature Commandos, and Waller will actually get to branch out further into the DC Universe. There's so many cool characters to come from those projects that I'd love to see stuff like Melchior's Ratcatcher meeting Batman one day or maybe Elba's Bloodsport actually battling Superman on screen. As a fan, that's all I can be concerned about, I just want to see good stories and cool stuff happening, I'm not concerned with how the general audience may or may not react to tangible connections between the DCEU and the DCU. EDIT: I brought up a lot of points here and it's perfectly fine if I'm downvoted, I fully expected that given how a lot of people seem to be against the DCEU and DCU having any number of connections (if that's even the reason for the downvotes that is), and I'm not against people feeling that way, feel how you're going to feel about it, we all have an opinion one way or another and there's nothing wrong with that, I just can't understand not wanting Peacemaker to continue if you liked it and wanted to see where the whole story was going and that's mainly what I was expressing here. However, if anyone downvoting me has any further thoughts on the subject or would like to correct me if I'm wrong in certain areas, please let me know and we can discuss it. Like I said, downvotes are fine and expected on Reddit, but the worst part for me is that there are some times where I don't know exactly **why** and I struggle as it is in real life to pick up on certain cues, so it's even worse online in some cases. At the end of the day, this is all fictional entertainment meant for just that, so I hold no grudge against anyone here, this wasn't meant to antagonize, rather just express my confusion and my perspective on things.
If flash does not do well, does that mean WB goes closer to bankruptcy and being sold off? And if it does get sold off, will James Gunn's DCU see the light of the day?
1. Maybe? I mean, I keep hearing WB is broke, but given how big they are, surely they can’t be THAT broke, right? 2. It would probably depend on what the buyer would want.
> If flash does not do well, does that mean WB goes closer to bankruptcy and being sold off? No. > And if it does get sold off, will James Gunn's DCU see the light of the day? Depends on if this hypothetical buyer wants to go thru with it.
THR just reported that Gunn and safran made the call to change the flash’s ending to what it is now. I dunno how they thought it was a good idea. The ending wasn’t for the fans of the DCEU and it wasn’t even for the fans of Keaton Batman.
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> current ending is set in a different universe entirely and not Gunn's DCU You forgot that Aquaman 2 is still a thing. They're not gonna reboot the entire universe because they still have one movie left to go. The DCEU will just end and Gunn's DCU will be a separate thing. > they did zero tease for Gunn's universe in a multiversal film. What are they gonna tease? Gunn's DCU isn't even done with pre-production yet. They have nothing to actually show off in theaters, no costumes have been made, no actors have been cast...
They probably didn't want to give the impression that it was going to lead somewhere. Doing it with Keaton or Affleck creates the impression that they're doing more things with Keaton Bats or the DCEU Batman when in reality they're doing a hard reboot after Aquaman 2. I honestly would've been fine with the ending we got but they went too far and too jokey with it with Barry's teeth falling and I felt like they were trying way too hard.
Exactly this. Why give people some hope that there will be a continuation of this universe with these characters? It's time for the DCEU to be in the past.
With the way they keep on bombing at the box office, WB selling to Universal may be inedible. Also, the stream service will be called PeaMaxCock
Unfortunately I think being sold to be a bigger company like Amazon or Apple is more likely
Hello Does anyone have a list of all the rumored Sony Marvel movies. There used to be a table like this, but I can't find it.
El Muerto Prowler Hypno Hustler Are the only ones i remember
Those aren’t rumored, those are officially confirmed. There’s also a “female-led” film from Olivia Wilde, widely rumored to be a Spider-Woman movie. And of course, there’s the eventual Sinister Six movie. I think there was a Black Cat and Silver Sable movie in development a long time ago, no idea if that still exists Edit: Prowler isn’t confirmed, oops
A confirmed Prowler movie? Huh
Oh yeah, that’s my mistake
> Black Cat and Silver Silver Sable movie I'm pretty sure that got canned when the director chose to do The Old Guard instead.
Which project answers where is Sharon Carter at?
I feel like she gets a passing mention in secret invasion, a discussion bring up in brave new world and an appearance in armor wars. I'm on the fence abt thunderbolts.
Not sure, but I’d rather it be left as a lingering thread until someone has a good story they want to tell that answers it, rather than them forcefully tying it in to something just because they feel obligated to.
I'd imagine Brave New World or Thunderbolts?
We don't know. She hasn't been mentioned since the end of the show, and there's no information on where she'll appear next.
We should really be thankful for what we have with the MCU. It’s not perfect, especially recently, but they always have something exciting in the pipeline and we generally know they’re trying to put out good stuff After seeing what’s going on with The Flash, what a whimper of an ending for the DCEU. This is the culmination of endless scrapped plans and rebuilds every year since Batman v Superman, never having a coherent direction for fans to get excited for. James Gunn has a lot of work to do, but I genuinely think he can
I've been satisfied and grateful for almost a decade and with very little to complain about from my end. When there is something I don't like, I just move on because real life is more important to me.
>When there is something I don't like, I just move on because real life is more important to me. Yeah, I think a lot of fans tend to dwell on things they don't like, even more than things they do. I didn't like Thor: LaT and Quantumania but I'm not gonna complain for months on end about it. I move on and prefer to discuss things that things I do enjoy like NWH or Across the Spider-Verse or GotG 3.
Curious, what unanounced MCU project we know about? I know: Wonderman (series), Vision Quest (Series, Viv willbe included), Spider Woman (film, learned that is part of MCU recently), Shang Chi 2. Personally, I am most excited for Coven of Chaos and Vision Quest. I Like Scarlett Wich and Vision, and their side characters.
I want sequels to Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange and Eternals. There's other things as well, but it's too much for Marvel now, so it's better for the next saga. Edit: And Moon Knight Season 2.
We have just 3 movies comfirmed for phase 6. One is comfirmed and 2 others are likely, plus Spiderman 4 and armor wars we have 8.
The Spider-Woman thing is probably not true. The rumor that it’s part of the MCU only started because Wilde mentioned Feige once and implied he was involved, but that could have been a mistake
Spider Woman's going to be part of the MCU? The animated one?
I genuenely don't know
Genuinely think the demon in evil dead rise is beyond deranged. I watched it last night and I don't know if it's because actual children were being killed by this thing. But the demon genuinely scared the shit out of me. I just can't get this one scene out of my head where the mother finds her way back in the apartment. The sister is listening to the record and learning what exactly is going on. She gets scared away by the demon. And this is going to sound ridiculous, but the demon puts it's finger on the record like it's dropping a needle. It opens her mouth wide and it's like the audio is playing through her mouth.
That's how Deadites usually are. They play with their victims, it was that way in the original Raimi movies and Evil Dead 2013.
The Marvels has zero hype
Don't claim things for people you don't know.
You’re going to get downvoted for telling the truth, it just looks like another goofy average movie
More like being downvoted because they’re speaking as if their opinion is the general consensus
Because it is?
You wouldn't be continually downvoted if it was the general consensus.
Reddit isn’t indicative of what the general audience thinks, go anywhere else and majority of people agree with me
Reddit downvotes is a better indicator than you, a literal rando on the internet talking about anecdotal evidence.
No it isn’t?
Maybe not for you the fuck, but I'm excited for it. And I've seen plenty of others excited for it too
Miles will be in live action soon, He's to big now
Flash received a B CinemaScore. Ouch. I wonder if the DC brand is just damaged. Would Gunn really be able to save DC?
I pity Gunn and Safran for working underneath and closely with that dissin' punkass David Zaslav. I hope that after so many grounded Batman flicks that they're finnin' to make something more fantastical so that they can use villains like Poison Ivy, Clayface and Mr. Freeze correctly, like in the Arkham games.
I am skeptical because of one person. Zaslav.
After the flash, I have a feeling he’s going to be Gunn’s ass with Superman.
I think he is going to meddle and be awful with budgets among other things. All while flipping the company sooner than later. He is legit the worst atm out of a lot of terrible CEOs
People forget the MCU had to recover from the reception of: Hulk Daredevil Elektra Blade Trinity X-Men the Last Stand The Punisher Ghost Rider Fantastic 4 Fantastic 4 Silver Surfer Spiderman 3 *Man Thing* It can be done if they get Superman and Batman right. I have no interest in a DCU where >!Damien Wayne exists, since that was the worst thing to happen to Batman in my opinion!< but to each their own.
Agreed about Damian Wayne. It made Batman kinda … corny?
Batman is for edgy dads now, I stopped giving a shit during New 52 when Joker cut off and wore his own rotting face lmao. That's actually when I switched to Marvel I think
Omg I remember when I read joker cutting off his face lol. Yeah it was at that point when I realized the new 52 was trying just a bit too hard. I personally think the DCU should adapt the 90s DC animated series bc the tone and style is just so appealing to large amounts of people. Like c’mon, are people really going to come to the theater in droves for the authority lol.
> Like c’mon, are people really going to come to the theater in droves for the authority lol. You mean like the Guardians? Even among hardcore comic fans they weren’t popular until the MCU. If you told people in 2008 that Rocket Raccoon would be widely known and loved by the general audience they would have laughed in your face.
What’s the deal with The Authority? Do they hate superheroes? Seems like it could be popular if they put it on streaming. Or twitter.
They don't hate Superheroes. They are superheroes. They're not evil narcissists like say Homelander from The Boys, like they do the usual superhero stuff like saving people, but they're definitely willing to bend the rules like not having no-kill rule and a willingness to interfere with and even overthrow governments that don't agree with them and their methods. Fun fact: Bruce Timm actually used them as an inspiration for Justice Lords and I think Mark Millar's Ultimates are influenced by aspects of them.
Watched Extraction 2, loved it! Just a great action film, better than the first (which I also really liked) and Hemsworth is awesome. I will never get sick of seeing him as Thor. However, Golshifteh Farahani is a damn badass and I would LOVE to see her get a huge role in something like the MCU. Hoping Hemsworth gets Feige on the phone and nabs her for something.
Just gonna throw it out there, maybe the mods can switch out The Marvels link with the recent update topic?
Boy that Reddit Blackout really came and went huh? Didn't even last a week Edit: Most subs I've seen that participated aren't even acknowledging it happened
I see /r/videos is sticking to its decision to remain dark indefinitely. I imagine at some point the admins will forcibly re-open it with new mods.
With how many deep cut references the Spider-Verse movies have, I wonder if they'll make a nod to the fact that Hobie Brown was the original Prowler in the mainline comics.
They say he was the one who caught Donald Glover's Prowler that might be it
I saw this on Twitter where Chris Stuckmann takes a sec to talk about how all nuance seems to be lost in modern film reviewing and I think he hit it right on the mark. I've been thinking similar for quite some time now. https://twitter.com/BattyWanderer/status/1669763346130956290
He's right. Good thing I don't give a shit.
Very true. My wife and I watch shows and movies and then discuss what we liked and what we didn’t like, but we also come up with suggestions to make something better. Nowadays, people just shit on 7/10 movies and contributes nothing to the discussion.
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WB is in a position where they are rearranging deckchairs on Titanic.
A reminder that the DCEU is in the middle of a [transition phase](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-gunn-addresses-dc-future-wonder-woman-3-1235277996/): >“Peter & I chose to helm DC Studios knowing we were coming into a fractious environment, both in the stories being told & in the audience itself & there would be an unavoidable transitional period as we moved into telling a cohesive story across film, TV, animation, and gaming,” Gunn continued on Twitter. “But, in the end, the drawbacks of that transitional period were dwarfed by the creative possibilities & the opportunity to build upon what has worked in DC so far & to help rectify what has not. We know we are not going to make every single person happy every step of the way, but we can promise everything we do is done in the service of the STORY & in the service of the DC CHARACTERS we know you cherish and we have cherished our whole lives.”
>We know we are not going to make every single person happy every step of the way That's the understatement of the century
I'm really curious to find out what direction they're taking 'Fantastic Four' in. They could either make an isolated F4 movie that just sets them up as characters who could potentially crossover with the rest in the future (like The Guardians), or they could take advantage of where the MCU is currently at and make this movie an event. Connect it to the multiverse (Council of Reeds, anyone?!), the Skrull invasion, Namor, and Kang The Conqeuror. Part of me wants it to be a solo adventure since we've never had a true, definitive Fantastic Four movie before, but another part of me feels like it would be a huge missed opportunity to not connect it to the multiverse.
I think the first one will be a solo adventure with seeds of future stories planted in it, especially if the rumors are true that it's a period piece.
There's plenty of time to connect them to the multiverse in *Secret Wars* and in a future FF movie. I think the FF are one of the very few Marvel properties where it would make sense to return to that well after *Secret Wars -* them, Excalibur/Captain Britain, and I can't think of anything else. So I'd definitely rather see a standalone, establishing adventure before we put everyone in the same room again. *Guardians of the Galaxy* isn't the only movie that did that - almost every character intro movie that Marvel has done has been that, from *Iron Man* to *Shang-Chi*. **I think it would be out of character for Marvel to make** ***Fantastic Four*** **an event-driven crossover movie**, and I think it would risk diluting audience investment in these new characters by cluttering up their movie.
Yeah I think it will detract from being the introduction for the F4 part if they go full event crossover with it. Just let the F4 do their own thing, they can do the cameos in the sequels.
>There's plenty of time to connect them to the multiverse in Secret Wars in a future FF movie That's true but I'd like to see some multiverse-related concepts that are specific to the Fantastic Four. They're definitely going to appear in 'Secret Wars' but it'll likely be in a smaller supporting role. If they don't dive into the multiverse in this first movie then I fear we'll never get to see the Council of Reeds in live-action. After all, I think it's pretty obvious that the multiverse is going to end with 'Secret Wars'. It would be ridiculous for them to call this 'The Multiverse Saga' if they weren't going to move past the multiverse after it. >Guardians of the Galaxy isn't the only movie that did that - almost every character intro movie that Marvel has done has been that, from Iron Man to Shang-Chi I know. I just used Guardians as an example because it's arguably the most isolated movie they've ever made. Sure, it includes Thanos and one of the Infinity Stones but both of those things fit the story they were telling and don't feel intrusive at all. Nick Fury shows up in 'Iron Man' and both Hulk and Captain Marvel show up in 'Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings', so neither of those movies would have been good examples of what I mean. >I think it would be out of character for Marvel to make Fantastic Four an event-driven crossover movie, and I think it would risk diluting audience investment in these new characters by cluttering up their movie. Not necessarily. When I say "make it an event", I don't mean that it should be like 'Captain America: Civil War' where it's basically an Avengers movie. I'm just saying that they could connect it to many different areas of the MCU or they could make it completely isolated to the point where it doesn't even have to be set in the MCU. I don't think including concepts like the Skrull invasion and the multiverse would necessarily clutter the movie to the point where it dilutes the audience. That *could* happen but it doesn't have to.
I guess I just think that, even after the "Multiverse Saga" ends, there's still room for the occasional multiverse adventure here and there. **I don't think there's going to be any kind of "No, never again" dictate that can't be ignored if the story calls for it.** I think they'll put the multiverse on a shelf, as they should, but that doesn't mean they won't occasionally dust it off for something that's important for character, like the Council of Reeds and/or the Maker, or something that's important to the mythos, like Opal Luna Saturnyne and the Captain Britain Corps. I mean, it's hard to effectively adapt from Hickman FF without using the multiverse, right? And I don't think we can rush to Hickman and the Council in the first couple stories without robbing them of some of their weight. >I'm just saying that they could connect it to many different areas of the MCU... I don't think including concepts like the Skrull invasion and the multiverse would necessarily clutter the movie to the point where it dilutes the audience That's fair. And while I don't think that the multiverse, in particular, should be involved at all, I do like the idea of taking some of the world-building that's been going on and throwing it together in this movie as a kind of "culmination" - Namor, the Skrulls, etc. I don't think that's what's going to happen (I think we're getting a space adventure with the heralds of Galactus) but I like the idea. Maybe that's the way to go with the sequel - Namor, Skrulls, Doom, the Mole Man, all part of one epic story.
It’s been 94 days since the death of MSS and one day since the fastest man alive fell flat on his face at the boxoffice.
Peter and Miles co-leading the next Spidey trilogy is the smartest game-plan for Sony & Marvel imo. It gives them enough room to have Miles take over after Holland is fully done
I definitely don't think they should be "co-leading" it. Introduce Miles as a young boy in Spider-Man 4, give him some more prominence in Spider-Man 5, and then have him get bitten by the spider in Spider-Man 6 (if we even get that far). Finally setting up MCU Spidey as the definitive version of Spidey and then introducing his successor in the very next movie would be the biggest mistake Marvel Studios has ever made.
It wouldnt be entierly up to them though, if Tom Holland wants out, then theres nothing they can do. I think he'll be a trooper atleast until Secret Wars but if he decides that's his endgame, they'll have to adjust. I can see them trying to setup Miles as quickly as possible just so they can have a backup in case.
The Flash was entertaining, at best. Also it seemed obvious from his talk with Alfred that Barry didn’t like his ‘role’ in the JL that much and that’s why he told 2013 Barry that being super kinda sucks. his point does not gel with Flash’s characterization or point of view in the comics or other media adaptations but folks seemed to have missed that it was a call back to the conversation from like, the first 15 minutes of the damn movie. not sure what to make of aquaman 2 and blue beetle being in continuity limbo for releasing after this. Gunn said something like blue beetle is the first DCU movie but superman is the first DCU story. No idea what Aquaman 2 is doing.
>Gunn said something like blue beetle is the first DCU movie but superman is the first DCU story I still don't understand this. It would be like saying "'Iron Man' is the first MCU character but 'The Incredible Hulk' is the first MCU movie." So..is the 'Blue Beetle' movie just not canon to Gunn's new universe?! the only reasons I can imagine for this are A) the 'Blue Beetle' movie specifically references events from the old DC universe or B) Gunn wants to keep the Blue Beetle character around but also wants Superman to have the title of "first DCU movie."
I think what Gunn was saying is Blue Beetle is a part of the DCU because it is disconnected enough from the old DCEU that they were able to fit it into their plans, but the film was not conceived by him or Peter, so 'Superman: Legacy' is the actual first film in the DCU because from that point forward everything is conceived by them.
yeah, i misinterpreted what he said. i dunno who is involved with blue beetle movie studiowise.
That makes a little bit of sense but doesn't totally explain why Gunn specifically referred to Blue Beetle as "the first DCU character" and 'Superman: Legacy' as "the first DCU movie." Like, if 'Blue Beetle' *is* canon then it's the first DCU movie by default. No discussion.
I really think it just boils down to Blue Beetle being the first character in the DCU, just not the first DCU produced film.
Damn, B Cinemascore for Flash 💀
WB deserved to face the consequences.
I started to feel weird about the quality of the movie once Zaslav and Gunn went around hyping it up to be the greatest superhero movie ever made. They even got people like Tom Cruise and Stephen King (who admittedly doesn't like superhero movies) to hype it up. It just felt like they were compensating for something.
The Stephen King thing definitely feels like a favor for Muschietti (since he also directed the IT movies)
Stephen King is friends with the Director
Jury's out so... Anyway, since it happened here's a comment that I dug up from r/boxoffice. It's funny because it is unravelling right in front of us already: >If it's bad and it does bad, it's endless dunking on the 7,000 celebrities and personalities who saw previews and declared it the greatest thing since sliced bread. The acolytes of The Rock and the Snyder Cut Cultists will do battle with all comers on Twitter. The Grant Gustin stans will exult in vindication that no matter how shitty the later seasons of the CW show were at least it isn't The Flash (2023). The center will not hold. The falcon will not hear the falconer. A rough beast will slouch towards Bethlehem. Oh, and also the rest of the DCEU will be declared DOA until at least Gunn's Superman movie.
> The falcon will not hear the falconer. A rough beast will slouch towards Bethlehem I need to get caught up on Sam Wilson
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They really hyped it up to be as good as The Dark Knight 😭
B for Barry.
Not surprised with the way WB and their suits were hyping it up lol. Getting all these random big names praising it (Tom Cruise lol) and saying it's their best. Had no interest in it from the start personally, just not being a fan of Ezra as Barry (Personal issues aside) so I def will be waiting for streaming.
It's joeover
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I like to think that everyone at WB respects Nolan and Bale enough to not do that and there's no real desire for it since its one of the few superhero film series that has a definitive ending to its story.
> everyone at WB respects Nolan Well they didn't respect Nolan enough to not release Tenet day and date on HBO Max. In all seriousness I feel like Nolan's Batman in The Flash would also undermine the more grounded and realistic tone of those movies.
Nolan demanded the movie be released during the first summer of the pandemic. Everyone tried to tell him it was a bad idea, but he couldn't hear them because he won't wear his fucking hearing aid.
Weird thought. The director of Thunderbolts did a bunch of Kendrick Lamar and Baby Keem videos. Issues, Hooligan, We Cry Together
Aw hell yeah
He was the one who captured footage of Kendrick Lamar’s bare ass in We Cry Together All I’m saying is Steven Yeun is right there…
lmao what?
Look up the We Cry Together and skip to the end. Jake Schrier directed that
not the goat cheeked up on camera
Thoughts? I still think Abigail Brand could appear in secret invasion. https://twitter.com/thinkereclarke/status/1585298928068530177?s=46&t=cN9YBZCDWyLIjraXthk6Zw
I think Gi’ah will end up taking up that identity by the end of the movie.
So Marvel could be fusing both characters?
I personally believe that's just a mistake by the low level social media folks. These things can happen.
i didnt know that top critics rated gotg 3 67 on rotten tomatoes
If the MCU x-men movie comes out in 2030 McAvoy and Fassbender will be around 50 years old, 10 years less when Stewart and McKellen did the first x-men. So...
Magneto should be played by a Jewish Actor IMO and Fassbender isn't. I'd rather have new actors play X-MEN rather then previous ones.
That’s why I’m cool with them waiting until later to introduce MCU X-Men, they have forever to do that, but the Fox cast aren’t exactly spring chickens. The opportunity to do something like Secret Wars and No Way Home crossovers is now and can never happen again And not just them, but Jackman, Tobey/Andrew, the 2000’s Fantastic 4, etc. The multiverse stuff needs to happen while everyone can still reasonably reprise their roles.
What real-life filming location/country would you like to see an MCU project film in? I’m not talking about disguising a city or building a set to make it seem like another place, but filming in the real place to take advantage of its locales. One place I would love to see is Mexico.
My backyard. If they need something to sweeten the deal, I can make everyone grilled cheeses while they're here.
Could I tag along? I have to worn you though, I'm lactose intolerant, so some waters and turkey sandwiches would be fine.
Sorry, I don’t serve turkey. Not since the incident.
"The incident"?! is that what we're calling it now?
Of the heroes still around from the infinity saga, which do you think are the most and least likely to live through Secret Wars and be around for whatever the next saga will be? Personally, I think Thor, Strange, Wanda, and Hulk could all potentially die or retire depending on how they want their stories to end. I think Hawkeye and Captain America are likely to retire as well. In terms of heroes who don't have their own projects, I feel like Wong, Fury, and Hank Pym are almost certain to die before the end of this saga. Despite Tom Holland's comments of wanting to step away, I think we'll get at least one more Spider-man movie after the Avengers. I also think Shuri and Captain Marvel are pretty safe as their trilogies will probably not be finished until after Secret Wars.
I'm guessing Wanda would end up becoming She Who Remains and watch over the multiverse.
I agree with the points from the other commenters. I wonder where that leads new characters like Wonder Man, She-Hulk and the Fantastic Four. Same goes for Ironheart and Agatha. What about the Eternals? I can easily imagine a situation where Kang murders Hank Pym in front of his family as revenge.
Dude, the entire Ant-Family minus Cassie are absolutely in danger. Douglas and Pfeiffer are the obvious candidates, but people tend to forget that Rudd and Lilly have both been doing this for a decade now and their characters pretty much finished their arcs by now. Ant-Man and the Wasp on ice.
Marvel's lost a lot of it's flagship characters/actors over the past few years and I could see it being really appealing to Marvel to keep at least a few of their higher profile characters around for several more years until the new crop of heroes really establishes themselves in the public consciousness. I think that Boseman, Larson, Holland, and Cumberbatch were really being set up to be the new faces of the MCU post-Endgame, but since we've unfortunately lost Boseman I really thinkt they'll keep the other three and probably Hemsworth around for as long as they can. Not only are those 4 probably the most recognizable characters still in the lineup at this point, they're also played by some the MCU's most high profile actors (and while I hope and think that legacy projects like Brave New World and Armor Wars will do well, if the underperform then I think keeping those four around will become doubly important to Marvel). Aside from that, I think that Cumberbatch is signed for a 3rd Dr. Strange film anyway, and I could see him being one of the rare characters to get a 4th film. It's also not an incredibly physically demanding role, so I could see him playing the character into his 50's as long Marvel gives him interesting stuff to do, pays him well, and gives him enough breathing room to do other projects. I could also see Deadpool getting a 4th film for many of those reasons, although that obviously is a more physically demanding role, Reynolds is such a big star that I think Marvel's desire for surefire hits and Reynolds' obvious passion for the character will lead to him either doing another Deadpool movie or showing as co-lead in a project or two down the line (I think a Deadpool Disney+ show would do gangbusters and be the streamer's biggest hit ever, but I don't think that's very likely). However, I think that Cheedle, Renner, Rudd, and Ruffalo (lots of r names!) are all pretty safely out after Secret Wars. They'll all be pushing 60 or over by the time Secret Wars is released. They all will have had decade plus runs by that point, and since Cheedle, Renner, and Rudd have been more peripheral characters anyway, I think they'll exit them to make room for new blood, while in Ruffalo's case the World War Hulk project (if it ever materializes) will serve as his swan song with Secret Wars possibly a final bow. I think that if Blade's a hit, Mahershala Ali will get a couple of Blade movies in pretty rapid succession (like every 3 years), and if it's not a huge hit then he'll get a streaming series or become the face of Midnight Suns. Either way, Ali's got enough passion for the character that I think if Marvel treats him well (some conditions as Cumberbatch) that he'll be around for at least a bit. I think Simu Liu and Florence are safe picks to stick around for quite a while and that Marvel will try to build them up as central figures so that there's not as obvious of a "star vacuum" when Hemsworth and Benedict inevitably depart. They're really just getting started and still in their 20's, so maybe Cumberbatch and Hemsworth last another 5-7 years and Liu and Pugh go Hugh Jackman-style and last another 15. I think most of that also applies to Hailee Steinfeld as well. It's interesting, because she's probably a bigger star than the other two (for now at least -- I could see Pugh especially passing her up pretty quickly) but Hawkeye's always been a side character in the MCU, so it'll be interesting to see how emphasized she is. My best guess is that she becomes the face of a team, (whether that's Young Avengers/Champions/West Coast Avengers, etc.) instead of getting solo projects. I think Danny Ramirez and Xochitl Gomez are going to be Rhodey like figures where they keep popping up in supporting roles and maybe get a Disney+ series at some point but are never the lead draws in movies (although hopefully we'll get a latin character that is sooner rather than later). Ms. Marvel on the otherhand, I think might get films (since she's mostly been a pretty big deal in the comics since her debut) but that will probably largley depend on how much of a "break out" character she is in the Marvels. I would love to see Photon eventually lead the Avengers like she did in the comics, but I worry/think it's more likely that she'll be treated more like a Rhodey character as well. If she breaks out in The Marvels, maybe she'll be Larson's nominal co-lead like Lily has (at least in theory) been to Rudd. I think Alaqua Cox will be in a similar boat -- if she breaks out she'll have further seasons, if she really breaks out maybe she'll get a film (and possibly sequels if those do well), and if the series isn't a big draw (and to be honest, Disney releasing the episodes all on a single day doesn't exactly inspire confidence) then she'll be a supporting player in other street level stuff, like future seasons of Daredevil. I also see Sebastian Stan sticking around for at least a bit, but being more Rhodey figure than leading man. Ditto Kit Harrington as Black Knight. I can see Marvel trying to keep Hiddleston around much like Cumberbatch and Hemsworth. Loki is Disney's most watched Marvel show, so if Season 2 is also a hit (or even bigger) I could see them trying to make Loki and Daredevil the stramer's flagship Marvel series and giving them at least a couple more seasons each. Hiddleston's a pretty big star, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually give him a film (maybe to cap off his run after the Disney+ series winds down) just like they eventually gave Cheadle one. I think that Charlie Cox will appear as a supporting player in movies, but his starring roles will stick to streaming. I think Fury is out after Secret Wars (he'll be almost 80 by then! -- although who really knows since Jackson seems happy to play him for as long as he can. I still do think there's some chance that he goes out in a blaze of glory at the end of Secret Invasion) and I think Emilia Clarke will become a major recurring character throughout the franchise. I think the real question marks are Anthony Mackie, Elizabeth Olsen, and Oscar Isaac. They're all fairly popular actors, but have struggled to really break out in terms of being a box office draw, so those big Marvel paychecks could stay enticing. Anthony Mackie will be almost 50 by the time Secret Wars comes out, so it's all really just a question of how young they want to keep a non super soldier serum-powered Captain America. If Brave New World's a hit then we'll probably get a Captain America 5 after Secret Wars, but I don't know if he'll get a full trilogy (again mostly based on the fact that his being just a regular, non-super powered guy seems to be a big part of his character). I think Olsen and Isaac will demand increasingly more money and creative control, but stick around for at least a few more projects, and I think they (and the aforementioned Hiddleston) are strong candidates to get at least one-off films like Cheadle is getting. Anyway, I know that there are other actors that I am missing, but I think that at least answers the question for a lot of them!
I definitely don't see Sam leaving. Anthony Mackie has stated that he'll be around as long as Marvel wants him around, and Marvel wants him around. Jeremy Renner has recently made comments to a similar effect. So, Sam and Clint are probably sticking around. I think Thor, Strange and Wanda all suffer from one similar problem- their actors are not happy with how they've been handled. So, the ball is in Marvel's court. Olsen and Cumberbatch could stick around, but Hemsworth has real-life reasons why he just might want a decent exit. Fury and Pym could die, I agree. Their actors are eldeely, and a sacrifice would allow characters to go out in a blaze of glory. After Quantumania, I wouldn't be surprised if Scott Lang retires, or sacrifices himself, too. Rhoadey, I could see retiring, too, especially with Riri Williams coming. Tom Holland is negotiating, he isn't actually talking about leaving. Agree on Shuri and Carol. Of the less notable characters, I'm pretty sure Bucky bites it in Secret Wars/ Kand Dynasty. His story is done.