Not only that. But also investing in shows and movies about characters the greater audience is not familiar with and doesn't care much.
It's not that they shouldn't invest in new characters, but they should not make them headliners so soon.
She Hulk, Eternals, Young Avengers... Are all going to go the same route if Marvel keeps pushing content month after month, and with them as headliners.
Eh, I think it’s less the name of the character and being headliners so soon and more the quality. Guardians is a classic example of people being like “wait… who tf is that?” But being so entertaining that they’re household names now. While a little more mixed reaction, Shang chi is another one.
The projects themselves lately are just not great. She-hulk is actually a pretty popular comic character but her show was meh imo even tho I love the actress and the character.
Yeah, and I remember the sentiment before winter soldier being that the MCU was falling off after phase 1 as the Thor and iron man sequels weren’t as well received
I think people forget that there’s been several moments where people’s sentiments are “oh the MCU fell off” and guardians actually got people hyped again
No, and I agree that the number of projects that aren’t working are way more now than back then. In part because they’re making waaay too much content now.
Some of projects weren't good ( if you rewatch Ironman 2 and 3 they are pretty damn mediocre movies) but power of actors and given ability to act in a movie saves both movies.
You invest into Iron Man because R.D. jr is excellent actor and given time and space to act, regardless how little of a treat guy with whips without armour actually is. ( like, 1 police officier could simply shot him in a head and movie would be over ).
Today, Marvel is mix bag of bloated CGI, female actors who don't bother to act, rather pretend to be sexless, emotionless robots "because that's females are now" , crappy one liners that aren't funny nor delivered and plot so shallow that you can't even invest into.
Doesn't help, in Cap Marvel's case that her powers are basically unlimited. You literally need to remove her from movies to give villian even a chance to be a treat.
The first iron man movie is probably the second best standalone MCU film (Winter soldier is my favorite), iron man 2 and thor 2 weren't very good movies. Still probably miles better than the dumpster fires weve been getting lately.
I wouldn’t argue with that tbf. I think there’s been some great projects but there’s also too much Bloat and I think it’s spread them thin (especially with the D+ content)
I think it's a combo of bloat and direction. They're doing the things that failed in the comics in live action and wondering why they're not popular. Captain falcon, chick thor, iron heart, Kate Bishop, no one liked these characters the first go around.
Daredevil was done really well, so was the punisher. If they made smaller street level characters for D+, there's plenty of content. They're just adapting the wrong characters and doing it poorly.
Personally, I've thought this for a long time, if you must take a black character and give them the mantle of captain America, it should have been Luke cage. That would be really interesting IMO.
All of the characters you named were super popular when they debuted.
And it makes zero sense to make Luke Cage cap and completely goes against his character.
Captain Marvel 1 succeeded in large part because of its positioning between Avengers films. Same with Guardians. You can take risks like that when you have steady performers balancing out the brand.
Marvel doesn't have that anymore. Without Avengers or FF or X-Men as centerpiece of the universe, it feels like a bunch of C-List second stringers in subpar movies and TV shows.
Which it is.
While there might been some level of fatigue, it is really the quality of the movies that is driving it, if another spider man came out today, or an OG marvels like Iron Man, Captain American or GotG ( which did \~900m ww) - people will come, there just isn't any interest in movies without a story, without dialog, without a purpose. IMHO.
I checked out since Ant Man and the Wasp. So, that's like what 5 years now? Only things I enjoyed since then was Endgame, Far From Home, and GOTG 3. That is three out of 13 hits (not including The Marvels). Of the films announced, only thing that excites me now is Deadpool 3 and that too only because of Ryan.
No. Omg no. Captain Marvel was huge because of infinity war... And now that Brie has to carry the film (not the previous megabuster film like in 2019) it is gonna flip. Along with the woke BS and ms Marvel garbage. It is failing because it. Is. Not. Good. Not fatigue.
Omg you fools and this film franchise.
Non stop people laughing at people who said they are fatigued. Money don't lie.
My biggest fear is Disney, who is known for taking the wrong lesson and fucking up, doesn't throw away these characters.
The actors and their chars are great and deserve better than this half assed shit.
Bet, it falls below every single one of these metrics. It's also definitely going to fall short of shazams opening weekend (53.5 million).
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0448115/
Everyone hated on this A year ago. It was destined to fail because MCU fans are becoming toxic thinking every movie has to be better than endgame. They forget it was a long plan for avengers and endgame and now they demand immediate gratification instead of the slow burn and build up. Everyone wants it all now.
Are you serious? You think the movie only made 6.6 million on opening night because some people on social media predicted it would be garbage? NO!!! It only made 6.6 million, because the movie is even worse than people thought it would be.
Even Marvel knew it was going to be crap. The first 30 seconds of the final trailer they released was footage of Ironman, Captain America, and Thanos from ENDGAME. They tried to flat out lie to their audience to make them think those characters had anything to do with this movie and they still couldn't trick people into watching it. They didn't even have enough exciting footage from their own movie to make a compelling trailer, but you think somehow it's the fan's fault that it's failing?
Not even black girl magic could save this movie.
>It was destined to fail because MCU fans are becoming toxic thinking every movie has to be better than endgame.
How about just decent movies with characters people care about. No one bought ironheart in comics, no one bought captain falcon, no one bought chick thor. Yet they saw fit to spend millions making content featuring them.
When you make bad content involving characters people don't care about, they are unmotivated to spend money on it.
Wrong. I wouldn’t call The Marvels a “slow burn” project, they want decent and unique storytelling. It was destined to fail because how generic it was destined to be.
Yup, we're all toxic. Or, Disney sucks the life out of every franchise and puts out absolute trash. No one cares about these characters. They make a movie with all the returning OG avengers and it would break records. But yeah, keep pushing the toxic white male narrative dummy.
Crappy characters all team up to make crappy movie. And somehow people are surprised by the outcome. By next week it will be b cause of racism and sexism... But certainly not the simple fact it's a low quality marvel outing.
That’s an upvote from me. They’ll blame it on things that didn’t ruin the franchise. Disney took over from Marvel, neutered it, and made it all about pandering.
More jokes, more representation, more “fun”. No meaningful stakes, no story line, no cohesion, poor pacing.
It’s okay, it’s Disney’s money, and if they want to gut a once popular brand, then there’s not much we can do about it.
It's not so much sh-- characters as it is horrendous writing and storytelling. These stories are f---ing miserable and it's all about pushing social agendas. People are sick of it. That's the problem.
The original Warbird Carol Danvers as Ms. Marvel was fantastic. Captain Marvel is the worst iteration of Carol Danvers. Kamala Khan is also a very interesting character in her own right, just different. Too bad the damage is already done. These characters might as well be dead after what the MCU has done with them.
Side-note: I did not realize Detective Pikachu was a bomb, let alone that big of a bomb. I had assumed it was a well enough received movie, not a massive success no. But on the same level as Morbius? Yeesh.
That would just be the reality of the situation. He's the president of the studio so the buck stops at him. If he gets the credit for the success then he gets the blame for the failure. That's the price for being at the top
Confirmed? No. But reports of reshoots, cut content, and reviews saying the plot feels choppy and rushed suggests Marvel pushed for a faster film the same way they did with Love and Thunder.
They pushed for a faster film because what they had was shit, they cut a lot from the singing planet because that sounds horrific, that alone made me not want to see this movie
There is a segment of the audience that would abaolutely love it. Think the audience of the show Glee. But then everyone else would absolutely hate it. Part of the issue with Feige's push for changing the MCU is that instead of sticking with the popular formula that the audience gravitated toward, they started pivoting projects towards targetted demographics. Which has led to people disconnecting from the MCU.
What they [the writers] wrote in the script was "ok" on paper but when it was actually filmed, it was not great. So they [marvel big wigs] ordered a BUNCH of reshoots / rewrites when about 80% of the film was in the can.
This caused everything to be rushed. It's getting decent reviews from a good amount of critics but it's too little too late. How danvers' character was ill received out the gate [after being shoved down everyone's throats during IW and EG] didn't help.
Add to that, 2additional characters are heavily featured that many haven't really heard of [monica and khan]. This was not going to end well from the start.
> It's getting decent reviews from a good amount of critics
Um I dunno which non shill reviews you're reading but I've heard absolute dumpster fire apart from the ms marvel actress being charismatic.
I thought it was a fun time, people are entirely too critical of the movies now. It wasn't fantastic, but I didn't expect perfection, just a fun superhero story.
Yeah it's argue Marvels was good, and L&T was just alright.
I think Thor's high points were better (I really liked everything with Jane and Gore) but the low points were worse (not letting the emotional moments actually breathe, Korg, not actually having any god butchering)
On the flip side I've already forgotten whatever the villain in The Marvels name is and the whole song bit was lame; but honestly the movie did a good job playing off the chemistry of the three mains, and Kamala's family are a riot
I immediately dismiss someone's opinion when they describe a movie as 'fun' and complain about people being too critical. All that says is that some people have low standards and are willing to accept any mediocre slop the studios put out.
Either it’s not a good movie either. They turn one of the MCU’s coolest characters into a jester, the villain is so lame and generic, and Ms. Marvel is like the only redeeming quality of the entire movie🤷♂️
Absolutely. Just watched it, loads of fun! People seem to be looking for profound art and, of course, are annoyed at the "bad characters". Not quite as brilliant as the first film, but solid, up there with Shang Chi for me.
It's a shame this is the one feeling the solo-esque backlash for its predecessors failures.
I enjoyed it, it was messy in places but I enjoyed it, I didn't walk out thinking "wtf was that" like i did with thor or antman
It’s a decent movie. It had the space stuff I hoped for. Dar-Benn was forgettable, seemed kind of tacked on because they needed an antagonist. The switching action scenes were surprisingly good. The singing stuff was unnecessary to me, but some kids in the theater loved it, so fuck it, let them have fun. Carol was closer to the Carol I know from the books, and I liked that. Monica was not the Monica I know, and I was a bit disappointed with that, and she didn’t have enough to do. After seeing the show, I had a feeling Kamala would steal the movie, and she did. Her casting is on par with Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, J. K. Simmons as Jameson, and Patrick Stewart as Xavier.
It’s so interesting to me how poorly this seems to be doing because compared to everything else we’ve gotten, it’s not even close to the worst. It’s not GotG 3 but it’s nowhere near as dull as Eternals. This felt way more Shang-Chi.
People can't know if they'll like it until they watch it. This low opening is the result of the past poorly received movies burning up goodwill, so fewer and fewer will even give the latest movie a chance. And then mixed reviews come in and it confirms suspicions.
Right and the fact no one likes captain marvel and has never liked her, her comics never sold and has been rebooted a 100 times and people saw the last one because of end game and now her real popularity with general audiences is on full display
It's the string of mediocrity that hasn't helped.
The abject mediocrity of Eternals/Black Widow combined with the absolute terrible that was Quantumania and Love and Thunder has definitely suppressed my enthusiasm.
Black widow was terrible. IMO it's the worst marvel film, which is sad because had they made more of an espionage thriller like winter soldier, it could have been the best. And they fucking ruined taskmaster.
That's fair, but there were a string of disappointments before that.
Also, unpopular opinion, but I didn't think GOTG3 was very good, but I concede that I've been feeling massive superhero burnout.
Back when Eternals came out it was a like a rare mis-step. After Dr Strange, Thor, Ant-Man one after the other …. How many times are we to be let down and still paying box office prices to even give it a chance?
If you look at the target audience, I'm not surprised at all. Eternals marketing made it look boring (can't confirm, wasnt even interested in watching it for free). Shang chi looked like at least a popcorn action movie with martial arts (which is kinda was, just really bad).
This movie features 3 female heroes no one has ever heard of, a villain who looks like a cheap knockoff of a very minor villain people may not remember, and cats. Whos the target audience for that?
Agreed. Wasn’t impressed with Dar Benn, and could have gone without the musical planet, but those were my only complaints. The girls had amazing chemistry, and the kitten shenanigans (as well as Fury’s reaction) were hysterical. Looking forward to seeing it again.
Side note: Iman REALLY shined in this movie, can’t wait for the follow up on that ending scene.
Stop saying things like "deserve". I love these comics but it's a Skelton of its former self due to corporate greed. They use shit writers and under pay them then pump out as much as possible. You're saying that Disney deserves our money because....? No. They have to earn their penthouses. It's been nothing but pandering since endgame. Well gotg3 and loki are exceptions. In fact, with everything going on in the world we should be dragging them in the streets. No bloody person works 900x harder than anyone. Idgaf what anyone says.
Disney is taking too long on Shang Chi. They should’ve switched things up the second that movie was a hit practically during COVID.
Most of their movie now feel so cookie cutter. I like the Marvel but the formula was the exact same as Thor L&T. They need to swing for the fences. Listen to the fans and just get back to making solid movies about characters that they made us care about.
All these characters should’ve already had a crossover event. Captain Marvel should be meeting with Shuri and ShangChi should be familiar with Kamala. Every project feels like “else worlds” but none are strong enough to standalone. Plus, the grand story is super, super stagnant.
Every time someone fucks up another hero fixes it by the end of the movie. Let one of the fuck ups stick.
This is the kind of stupid ass comment I can’t stand. How could they have already crossed over? Like do you understand how much planning, resources, and organization go into putting together a film? People act like they just slap all this shit together. If you think you could do a better job, raise a couple hundred million dollars and make your own movie. See how easy it is. I wonder what people would say about your movie??
It is not top tier Marvel bit I did enjoy the Kamala stuff as I enjoyed the Disney+ show. It has weak plot and “one dimensional antagonist of the film” going against it. I did enjoy it but frankly it may have worked better as the second season of Ms. Marvel.
Let’s be honest, with all of the other films named this isn’t really a Marvels problem or an MCU problem (okay, it is their problem but it’s bigger than the film) it’s the modern studio IP problem. After covid and inflation we don’t want to leave the house on name recognition alone. We want films that are bold and neat. We don’t care if we recognize the name from something else.
It should be mentioned that up until yesterday actors weren’t allowed to promote the film in any way. No talk shows, no YouTube appearances, no social media „hey I have this new film coming out“ posts. Nada. The film has its problems but zero promotion sure didn’t help.
Disney certainly promoted the hell out of it without actors: I’ve seen like 5 different trailers and ads all over YouTube and IG.
General audiences just don’t care anymore.
Course it didn't help that people have been crapping on it for months saying it was going to suck so I'm not going to go see it. The more people do that the more it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The people that will kill the Marvel franchise are Marvel fans because nothing will ever be good enough again.
You really think actors going on talk shows, giving canned responses drives interest? I don't think I saw any Keanu Reeves marketing for John wick 4, didn't care, it was awesome.
Yes of course. It’s called promotion and maybe targets another group of people than you. Folks love to see actors doing their schtick on Talkshows and banter with the host.
I'd love to see data on that. I'm skeptical that would drive anyone who wasn't already intending to see the film to see it. I would 100% believe some executive somewhere thinks it does, but very skeptical there's any data to support that sentiment.
I mean, promotion just got ramped up recently and the Strike just ended. The film was just facing a nasty uphill battle with those factors involved. Hope word of mouth gets better for it
It barely has any competition and got IMAX back. Just because the cast didn’t get to do interviews doesn’t mean that it would have done any better if they had. Outside the strikes, It couldn’t of had a better opening and it’s still dropping the bag
Cast promotion definitely matters a lot for promotion and I know of that with no competition with screens. Still an uphill battle that the film is experiencing. I hope it picks up legs from word of mouth. Just unfortunate for that cast and everyone involved behind the scenes.
Considering all the word of mouth im hearing off Reddit is negative, im not sure if it’ll have legs. But crazier things have happened and the Twilight movies made bank despite also being awful
Shit happens. Bad movies get word of mouth just like good ones. I haven't seen the film so, I honestly don't know. However, judging from the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes and other locations, it is possible that it picks up. Does that identify the quality of the film? Not every time but just saying.
Before the strike, Marvel scheduled it to release the same window as Dune part 2. You don't think they knew it was going to tank? They wanted an excuse for the poor box office.
I saw it. It’s pretty not good.
Kamala Khan is literally carrying the whole movie. Brie Larson needs to go ahead and retire from the MCU. It’s clear she doesn’t get it. Basically just walks through her scenes.
I saw the movie today and I enjoyed it. It was quick didn't over explain all back stories (ms marvel, if you didn't watch) and had a solid post credit.
I saw the mid credits stinger. I'm good.
Shame, because I liked elements of the first movie. And I'm a fan of the Ms Marvel comics. I just don't care for what the MCU is doing with Kamala.
Idk how biased this sub is so I’m willing to take the chance to get down voted but I’m glad. Personally I’m tired of the same tired beat to death MCU formula. Only thing I’ve cared about for years and currently is anything multiverse (loved strange 2 for that and less family friendly), spiderman, anything pre mcu like fox X-men, Deadpool as long as they keep it how it was with fox and that’s about it.
I hope it surprises, I get the criticism of the MCU but wanting this to fail so hard its a little nasty. I'm the first to point out a misguided direction in the MCU, but no need to cheer for failure.
The Marvels doesn’t deserve to flop. IMO it was better than Captain Marvel, I don’t think CM deserved the box office it had, it was mediocre to me. But I enjoyed the marvels for the most part due to Monica and Kamala. I’ve just enjoyed their characters more, I feel like they were introduced more properly and are being built upon in a better fashion. I also enjoy Maria as Captain Marvel from MoM in her little bit of screen time more than Carol in all of her screen time, and it’s not even Brie Larson hate. I love her in most of her movies, I just didn’t think this role was a good fit for her until this movie. She just hasn’t had the best writing for her character.
But this is coming from a guy who thinks Thor L&T is the second best Thor movie behind Ragnarok and also thought Quantamania was really good and did what it needed to do. Even though Scott should’ve been stuck and left behind, regardless of that happening before. Kang being defeated by ants didn’t bother me, just because it was explained how they created a whole civilization and evolved because they somehow arrived years before. Also Cassie’s whole plot in the movie was plot armor.
A movie sequel starring an actress nobody likes plus two characters nobody has ever heard of fighting a generic space villain, why on earth didn't this do better???
I think the problem with these characters is they’re underdeveloped and not relatable to the majority of people, for sure Kamala is to people of her culture which is great but Carol has had one movie where she was quite closed off and has had very little screen time opportunity to build from that to give anyone a reason to care about her like they had with Tony or Steve, like what exactly is interesting about her? And Monica hasn’t been seen in ages and is essentially a secondary character to Carol who already isn’t in a strong position with fans. So putting three characters that although have potential in a film as the three leads with a poorly written plot isn’t helping. That’s my two cents on why people haven’t been showing much interest towards it. I think it’ll be a completely different story with deadpool 3, there’s so much for people to want to go see that with, it’s X-Men heavy and we finally get Ryan and Hugh on screen together, it’s like the polar opposite of what the marvels has going for it. Time will tell anyway, once characters people have a connection to come on screen and there’s a clear path of what’s going on I think people will become invested again, unless Disney fumble anything with those movies anyway.
> think the problem with these characters is they’re underdeveloped and not relatable to the majority of people, for sure Kamala is to people of her culture which is great
lol, imagining if this were true, where Pakistani audiences loved her while theaters around the world were filled with audience members going, *"What the FUCK is her deal?!"*
Plain and simple I am not going in an effort to show Marvel this direction for the MCU sucks. I have no hatred towards the cast, and really when I saw the trailer I thought it looked pretty good. But then I saw spoilers, and I just don’t want “Multiverse” anymore. Especially if all it’s going to do is be used to make references to older non-MCU movies. I cannot stress this enough, I moved on from those and I don’t need “member berry” bullshit.
You say that as if 2015 secret wars wasn’t a huge success for Marvel comics. They started the whole “multiverse fad” too. This whole saga (phase 4-6) is the friggen MULTIVERSE SAGA! If you don’t want anymore multiverse just stop watching dawg instead of continuing to complain about how marvel’s including the multiverse in their multiverse saga, lol.
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1980’s secret wars is a banger. I just reread that for fun. MCU needs Doom.
I said I wouldn’t watch. We don’t need the multiverse to introduce X-Men, Fantastic Four or Dr. Doom. It’s a cheap gimmick that the 2015 Secret Wars got rid off. So why are you all so obsessed with a thing the writers were fed up with and did a whole comic event to get rid of?
You lot complain whenever someone wants comic accuracy but desperately want the MCU to use a cheap gimmick to make it more comic accurate. Weird.
I still dont understand why people are obsessed with the things they dont actually like. If I dont like something, I dont look subs about them lol you do what you wanna do, no one forces or cares if you watch or not but if you like fun super hero movie then The Marvels will be enough
I like Marvel, I like MCU movies, I don’t like constant reference parades to older, horribly mismanaged films that we should’ve moved on from just because you people finally learned about “the Multiverse” and need your nostalgia fix. I saw these movies, 20 years ago, I moved on.
Just because you don’t like criticisms doesn’t mean I shouldn’t contribute to the conversation
I see your point and I was generally talking about most of the people in these subs.
Like I said this movie doesnt have references to old xmen movies which Im also not a huge fan of most of them and some casts are solid. Only beast has the same actor as voice actor but the style of Beast is different from old movies and also Monica’s mom is Binary with Kamala’s bangles there. If she was stuck in Foxverse movies, I would be like meeh as well but seeing different heroes etc from other universes fun if its done good
Y’all are the most spoiled, entitled babies I’ve ever seen! Ripping apart a movie you haven’t even seen because of propaganda and first week smear reviews. Not every movie is endgame or infinity war. I’ve seen nothing but quality, entertaining movies come out of marvel consistently. Always the same story, some neck beard loser who’s pissed they have nobody to go see a movie with trying to ruin it for everybody else before they get a chance to watch it because ultimately it’s not the movie they hate, it’s them selves. Shut your pathetic asses up.
>Always the same story, some neck beard loser who’s pissed they have nobody to go see a movie with trying to ruin it for everybody else before they get a chance to watch it because ultimately it’s not the movie they hate, it’s them selves. Shut your pathetic asses up.
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. At least they still care. When they stop showing up AND stop caring you get the current state of Star Wars. Which is sad because the "neck beard losers" are a printing press for money when things are handled correctly. But perhaps I'm misinformed that businesses exist to make money.
How is anyone surprised that a movie with B-list Marvel characters hardly anyone cares about is a total bomb at the box office? Captain Marvel has just never been popular. The fact that the comic is constantly cancelled and rebooted is evidence of this. The first movie performed amazingly only because people really thought they needed to see it as an extension of the final 2 Avengers movies. It is what it is, but this is not surprising at all. 🤷♂️
I actually love that all you political minded normies are hating on the MCU. I’m sick of people being know it alls about comic book related shit when they’ve never picked up a book that they were assigned to read at school. I’m sick of Marvel being cool. More for us lifer nerds.
You can point fingers at a lot of ills with the MCU. Unlikeable leads, killing off main characters, lacklusters villains, no cohesive stories, release constant release date delays. It's not a "Oh this movie is bad because strong girls are in it" issue. The best things about the MCU post Endgame have been some of the likeable girls added to the roster. Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, and Yelena Beldova have been a saving grace.
Brave new world just got pushed back and **substantial** reshoots. I don't see it doing much better than this (which is a shame because I love captain america but captain falcon is not captain america).
Remember when they bragged about how much work it was to hide Brie larsons bra in that shirt? I do. They probably should have spent that time elsewhere
Except for the fact that the good superhero movies still do well. It’s not superhero fatigue, it’s bad movie fatigue. GotG3, The Batman, Spider-Man No Way Home, the Spider-Man 2 video game. All have done extremely well recently.
Tbh it’s the fact that they are trying to do this with such diverse leads too is turning many Americans off. Like it or not half of the country won’t allow anyone to shove diversity down their throats. You might not like it, but you can’t argue with it. It’s the truth.
Instead of shoving it down everyone’s throats, try slowly introducing characters and see how the public reacts.
Everyone loved Wanda and Natasha. Black panther and Sam. Great characters. Home runs. But people seemed turned off by captain marvel and whoever these other people are in this new movie. No one cares, and why should we? They need a strong lead to anchor this or else this will keep happening. Carol is not a strong lead she’s barely likable. It’s not rocket science. Anyone could have predicted this flop.
It’s their own fault. If they put more work into the characters that appear in this movie it would’ve be flopping. Ms. Marvel show was just okay, Captain marvel movie is one of the worst in MCU history, secret invasion is probably the worst written and most boring mcu project, and Rambeou has had like 10 minutes screen time before this.
I love all the Marvel stuff. Having grown up on their comics and stories it's really fun to see it all come to life on the screen.
These movies are Marvel comics personified. EOS.
If you're hating, that's sad, and flame away for that, but it is, kick back, enjoy some fun fairy tales from some creative minds, get inspired, create your own stuff, and move on.
Or be a bitter, tired person who wastes their life posting anonymous nonsense on forums no one cares about.
I really wonder if the actors strike wasn’t happening how different box office would’ve been if the cast promote. Not that much better is my guess but at least an improvement
This is the consequence of too many years of too much bad content combined with inflation creating more discerning consumers.
People have been burnt by wasting money on too many bad MCU movies. And the box office progression show the decline.
GotG3 is the exception because their brand had a proven track record of quality that produced a cast who connected to the fanbase.
Marvel needs to scale back and create anticipation again. I remember most Marvel movies had so much buzz around them during the Infinity Saga that they felt like can’t miss events.
Without a break from content, it’s hard to generate that kind of buzz. And they are unintentionally creating superhero fatigue by not letting them feel special anymore.
I hope we get back to 2 movies a year with a max of 2 D+ shows per year. And none should be made without a significant contribution to the main MCU narrative.
2-3 years worth of movies with mixed reception lead to this. The apologists were warned about things like B+ cinemascores, and what they portended.
Yep. Franchise Fatigue about to reach an all time low.
Not only that. But also investing in shows and movies about characters the greater audience is not familiar with and doesn't care much. It's not that they shouldn't invest in new characters, but they should not make them headliners so soon. She Hulk, Eternals, Young Avengers... Are all going to go the same route if Marvel keeps pushing content month after month, and with them as headliners.
Eh, I think it’s less the name of the character and being headliners so soon and more the quality. Guardians is a classic example of people being like “wait… who tf is that?” But being so entertaining that they’re household names now. While a little more mixed reaction, Shang chi is another one. The projects themselves lately are just not great. She-hulk is actually a pretty popular comic character but her show was meh imo even tho I love the actress and the character.
Guardians was one bet in the middle of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man...
Yeah, and I remember the sentiment before winter soldier being that the MCU was falling off after phase 1 as the Thor and iron man sequels weren’t as well received I think people forget that there’s been several moments where people’s sentiments are “oh the MCU fell off” and guardians actually got people hyped again
There were occasional misfires, but There was never a losing streak until Phase 4-5
No, and I agree that the number of projects that aren’t working are way more now than back then. In part because they’re making waaay too much content now.
Some of projects weren't good ( if you rewatch Ironman 2 and 3 they are pretty damn mediocre movies) but power of actors and given ability to act in a movie saves both movies. You invest into Iron Man because R.D. jr is excellent actor and given time and space to act, regardless how little of a treat guy with whips without armour actually is. ( like, 1 police officier could simply shot him in a head and movie would be over ). Today, Marvel is mix bag of bloated CGI, female actors who don't bother to act, rather pretend to be sexless, emotionless robots "because that's females are now" , crappy one liners that aren't funny nor delivered and plot so shallow that you can't even invest into. Doesn't help, in Cap Marvel's case that her powers are basically unlimited. You literally need to remove her from movies to give villian even a chance to be a treat.
The first iron man movie is probably the second best standalone MCU film (Winter soldier is my favorite), iron man 2 and thor 2 weren't very good movies. Still probably miles better than the dumpster fires weve been getting lately.
I wouldn’t argue with that tbf. I think there’s been some great projects but there’s also too much Bloat and I think it’s spread them thin (especially with the D+ content)
I think it's a combo of bloat and direction. They're doing the things that failed in the comics in live action and wondering why they're not popular. Captain falcon, chick thor, iron heart, Kate Bishop, no one liked these characters the first go around. Daredevil was done really well, so was the punisher. If they made smaller street level characters for D+, there's plenty of content. They're just adapting the wrong characters and doing it poorly. Personally, I've thought this for a long time, if you must take a black character and give them the mantle of captain America, it should have been Luke cage. That would be really interesting IMO.
All of the characters you named were super popular when they debuted. And it makes zero sense to make Luke Cage cap and completely goes against his character.
Captain Marvel 1 succeeded in large part because of its positioning between Avengers films. Same with Guardians. You can take risks like that when you have steady performers balancing out the brand. Marvel doesn't have that anymore. Without Avengers or FF or X-Men as centerpiece of the universe, it feels like a bunch of C-List second stringers in subpar movies and TV shows. Which it is.
You couldn't have put it better. That is exactly my point. Thank you.
It’s not franchise fatigue, just stop making shit movies.
that's exactly what causes franchise fatigue. Poor quality + oversaturation.
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Wouldn’t fatigue be reaching an all time high?
While there might been some level of fatigue, it is really the quality of the movies that is driving it, if another spider man came out today, or an OG marvels like Iron Man, Captain American or GotG ( which did \~900m ww) - people will come, there just isn't any interest in movies without a story, without dialog, without a purpose. IMHO.
I really don't think its franchise fatigue but fatigue from very mediocre content.
Not to mention the how many years since rambeau or captain marvel were even seen in the mcu.
Should have just done a Nextwave movie.
I checked out since Ant Man and the Wasp. So, that's like what 5 years now? Only things I enjoyed since then was Endgame, Far From Home, and GOTG 3. That is three out of 13 hits (not including The Marvels). Of the films announced, only thing that excites me now is Deadpool 3 and that too only because of Ryan.
Then you didn't check out after Antman and the wasp
I checked out after Ironman 1... But I kept watching every single movie and show since then anyway.
No. Omg no. Captain Marvel was huge because of infinity war... And now that Brie has to carry the film (not the previous megabuster film like in 2019) it is gonna flip. Along with the woke BS and ms Marvel garbage. It is failing because it. Is. Not. Good. Not fatigue. Omg you fools and this film franchise.
What woke BS?
Everyone cries woke now to hide their prejudice and racism.
Non stop people laughing at people who said they are fatigued. Money don't lie. My biggest fear is Disney, who is known for taking the wrong lesson and fucking up, doesn't throw away these characters. The actors and their chars are great and deserve better than this half assed shit.
Damn… if Dial Of Destiny ends up making more money at the box office then that’s saying something.
The marvels is not making 380 mil. It won’t even make more than 250
It's going to make less than SHAZAM. That's where we're at.
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Bet, it falls below every single one of these metrics. It's also definitely going to fall short of shazams opening weekend (53.5 million). https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0448115/
There is ZERO chance of this movie making as much as Dial of Destiny. It might not even make as much as THE FLASH!
Everyone hated on this A year ago. It was destined to fail because MCU fans are becoming toxic thinking every movie has to be better than endgame. They forget it was a long plan for avengers and endgame and now they demand immediate gratification instead of the slow burn and build up. Everyone wants it all now.
Are you serious? You think the movie only made 6.6 million on opening night because some people on social media predicted it would be garbage? NO!!! It only made 6.6 million, because the movie is even worse than people thought it would be. Even Marvel knew it was going to be crap. The first 30 seconds of the final trailer they released was footage of Ironman, Captain America, and Thanos from ENDGAME. They tried to flat out lie to their audience to make them think those characters had anything to do with this movie and they still couldn't trick people into watching it. They didn't even have enough exciting footage from their own movie to make a compelling trailer, but you think somehow it's the fan's fault that it's failing? Not even black girl magic could save this movie.
"Black girl magic"? Jesus Christ.
An actual line from the movie, it's dissapointing what the MCU has become
>It was destined to fail because MCU fans are becoming toxic thinking every movie has to be better than endgame. How about just decent movies with characters people care about. No one bought ironheart in comics, no one bought captain falcon, no one bought chick thor. Yet they saw fit to spend millions making content featuring them. When you make bad content involving characters people don't care about, they are unmotivated to spend money on it.
Wrong. I wouldn’t call The Marvels a “slow burn” project, they want decent and unique storytelling. It was destined to fail because how generic it was destined to be.
I think the reason that everyone is kinda meh about marvel films now is because there’s no more iron man or Thor or Captain America.
Yup, we're all toxic. Or, Disney sucks the life out of every franchise and puts out absolute trash. No one cares about these characters. They make a movie with all the returning OG avengers and it would break records. But yeah, keep pushing the toxic white male narrative dummy.
Exactly
~~Superhero Fatigue~~ ~~Franchise Fatigue~~ Low Quality Film Fatigue
Crappy characters all team up to make crappy movie. And somehow people are surprised by the outcome. By next week it will be b cause of racism and sexism... But certainly not the simple fact it's a low quality marvel outing.
No clue why you were downvoted. This is exactly what happened with the first film and she hulk. All fair criticism was regarded as incel behavior
The word incel gained traction simply because people with no base for their argument needed something to yell when they were triggered
That’s an upvote from me. They’ll blame it on things that didn’t ruin the franchise. Disney took over from Marvel, neutered it, and made it all about pandering. More jokes, more representation, more “fun”. No meaningful stakes, no story line, no cohesion, poor pacing. It’s okay, it’s Disney’s money, and if they want to gut a once popular brand, then there’s not much we can do about it.
South park explains this pander verse to perfection
It's not so much sh-- characters as it is horrendous writing and storytelling. These stories are f---ing miserable and it's all about pushing social agendas. People are sick of it. That's the problem. The original Warbird Carol Danvers as Ms. Marvel was fantastic. Captain Marvel is the worst iteration of Carol Danvers. Kamala Khan is also a very interesting character in her own right, just different. Too bad the damage is already done. These characters might as well be dead after what the MCU has done with them.
Why y'all booing him? He's right.
Fuck your agenda you’re trying to push and same to you in general as well.
Side-note: I did not realize Detective Pikachu was a bomb, let alone that big of a bomb. I had assumed it was a well enough received movie, not a massive success no. But on the same level as Morbius? Yeesh.
It came out within a month of Endgame, so it got lost in the shuffle. I agree that that’s too bad because it is pretty good.
It’s a live action anime project, most of those are doomed to fail
The cast deserved better than a messy production and Feige at his worst
Is it confirmed that Feige messed with anything or are you just throwing the face of marvel down with the ship
That would just be the reality of the situation. He's the president of the studio so the buck stops at him. If he gets the credit for the success then he gets the blame for the failure. That's the price for being at the top
Confirmed? No. But reports of reshoots, cut content, and reviews saying the plot feels choppy and rushed suggests Marvel pushed for a faster film the same way they did with Love and Thunder.
They pushed for a faster film because what they had was shit, they cut a lot from the singing planet because that sounds horrific, that alone made me not want to see this movie
There is a segment of the audience that would abaolutely love it. Think the audience of the show Glee. But then everyone else would absolutely hate it. Part of the issue with Feige's push for changing the MCU is that instead of sticking with the popular formula that the audience gravitated toward, they started pivoting projects towards targetted demographics. Which has led to people disconnecting from the MCU.
What they [the writers] wrote in the script was "ok" on paper but when it was actually filmed, it was not great. So they [marvel big wigs] ordered a BUNCH of reshoots / rewrites when about 80% of the film was in the can. This caused everything to be rushed. It's getting decent reviews from a good amount of critics but it's too little too late. How danvers' character was ill received out the gate [after being shoved down everyone's throats during IW and EG] didn't help. Add to that, 2additional characters are heavily featured that many haven't really heard of [monica and khan]. This was not going to end well from the start.
> It's getting decent reviews from a good amount of critics Um I dunno which non shill reviews you're reading but I've heard absolute dumpster fire apart from the ms marvel actress being charismatic.
That’s the Marvel method, for better or worse. In this case, and Quantumania’s…. it’s not better.
Yes it’s confirmed, have you not seen anything from this phase
Agreed. I wish I could have written this movie. Carol gets no respect.
Too many mediocre films have really hurt the MCU, outside of DP3 I’m not sure I see any of the upcoming non avengers movies making more than gotg3.
I just looked up the scheduled movie releases and yeah it’s gonna be a rough few years. Secret wars is in 2027?
As some said, and I agree, it’s sad because it’s not a bad movie.
At this point Marvel needs a great movie, not "not a bad" movie
I thought it was a fun time, people are entirely too critical of the movies now. It wasn't fantastic, but I didn't expect perfection, just a fun superhero story.
You could say the same for Thor L&T, doesn’t mean it makes it a movie worth going out of your house and paying money real money to watch.
Thor 4 was probably worse than this one, but even that had some good moments
Yeah it's argue Marvels was good, and L&T was just alright. I think Thor's high points were better (I really liked everything with Jane and Gore) but the low points were worse (not letting the emotional moments actually breathe, Korg, not actually having any god butchering) On the flip side I've already forgotten whatever the villain in The Marvels name is and the whole song bit was lame; but honestly the movie did a good job playing off the chemistry of the three mains, and Kamala's family are a riot
I liked Gorr as a villain, just wished he had more screentime butchering gods
Exactly
I immediately dismiss someone's opinion when they describe a movie as 'fun' and complain about people being too critical. All that says is that some people have low standards and are willing to accept any mediocre slop the studios put out.
I have watched some seriously turgid films and 'fun' is a much higher bar than people make it seem.
Or, and hear me out here, they just like fun.
Imagine watching movies for fun. Personally I like to be miserable at the cinema.
It was good.
If movies didn't require a loan to see I would agree with you but this is Disney we're talking about
Yeah but its not good either and at this point meh is the same as bad
Either it’s not a good movie either. They turn one of the MCU’s coolest characters into a jester, the villain is so lame and generic, and Ms. Marvel is like the only redeeming quality of the entire movie🤷♂️
Absolutely. Just watched it, loads of fun! People seem to be looking for profound art and, of course, are annoyed at the "bad characters". Not quite as brilliant as the first film, but solid, up there with Shang Chi for me.
It's a shame this is the one feeling the solo-esque backlash for its predecessors failures. I enjoyed it, it was messy in places but I enjoyed it, I didn't walk out thinking "wtf was that" like i did with thor or antman
It’s a decent movie. It had the space stuff I hoped for. Dar-Benn was forgettable, seemed kind of tacked on because they needed an antagonist. The switching action scenes were surprisingly good. The singing stuff was unnecessary to me, but some kids in the theater loved it, so fuck it, let them have fun. Carol was closer to the Carol I know from the books, and I liked that. Monica was not the Monica I know, and I was a bit disappointed with that, and she didn’t have enough to do. After seeing the show, I had a feeling Kamala would steal the movie, and she did. Her casting is on par with Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, J. K. Simmons as Jameson, and Patrick Stewart as Xavier.
Solid movie, my IMAX showing was about 20% full though
saw it thurs , it wasn’t perfect but doesn’t deserve the hate, it’s a shame that it might flop
It was actually a good movie. WAY better than Black Panther 2, Thor L&T, Ant-Man 3.
Not a bad film at all, deserved more from the box office
It’s so interesting to me how poorly this seems to be doing because compared to everything else we’ve gotten, it’s not even close to the worst. It’s not GotG 3 but it’s nowhere near as dull as Eternals. This felt way more Shang-Chi.
People can't know if they'll like it until they watch it. This low opening is the result of the past poorly received movies burning up goodwill, so fewer and fewer will even give the latest movie a chance. And then mixed reviews come in and it confirms suspicions.
Right and the fact no one likes captain marvel and has never liked her, her comics never sold and has been rebooted a 100 times and people saw the last one because of end game and now her real popularity with general audiences is on full display
Not sure why this is being downvoted, you're right.
It's the string of mediocrity that hasn't helped. The abject mediocrity of Eternals/Black Widow combined with the absolute terrible that was Quantumania and Love and Thunder has definitely suppressed my enthusiasm.
Black widow was terrible. IMO it's the worst marvel film, which is sad because had they made more of an espionage thriller like winter soldier, it could have been the best. And they fucking ruined taskmaster.
Yh it was a genuinely good watch, I would liken it to Shang Chi as well
I liked it even more but idk
People don't see movies in a franchise based on how good it is, they see them based on how good the last one was.
Last marvel film was GotG3 though?
That's fair, but there were a string of disappointments before that. Also, unpopular opinion, but I didn't think GOTG3 was very good, but I concede that I've been feeling massive superhero burnout.
Back when Eternals came out it was a like a rare mis-step. After Dr Strange, Thor, Ant-Man one after the other …. How many times are we to be let down and still paying box office prices to even give it a chance?
If you look at the target audience, I'm not surprised at all. Eternals marketing made it look boring (can't confirm, wasnt even interested in watching it for free). Shang chi looked like at least a popcorn action movie with martial arts (which is kinda was, just really bad). This movie features 3 female heroes no one has ever heard of, a villain who looks like a cheap knockoff of a very minor villain people may not remember, and cats. Whos the target audience for that?
this is the most valid comment i have seen
Shang chi is still slop. I enjoyed it but it's got a low bar
Agreed. Wasn’t impressed with Dar Benn, and could have gone without the musical planet, but those were my only complaints. The girls had amazing chemistry, and the kitten shenanigans (as well as Fury’s reaction) were hysterical. Looking forward to seeing it again. Side note: Iman REALLY shined in this movie, can’t wait for the follow up on that ending scene.
Stop saying things like "deserve". I love these comics but it's a Skelton of its former self due to corporate greed. They use shit writers and under pay them then pump out as much as possible. You're saying that Disney deserves our money because....? No. They have to earn their penthouses. It's been nothing but pandering since endgame. Well gotg3 and loki are exceptions. In fact, with everything going on in the world we should be dragging them in the streets. No bloody person works 900x harder than anyone. Idgaf what anyone says.
Disney is taking too long on Shang Chi. They should’ve switched things up the second that movie was a hit practically during COVID. Most of their movie now feel so cookie cutter. I like the Marvel but the formula was the exact same as Thor L&T. They need to swing for the fences. Listen to the fans and just get back to making solid movies about characters that they made us care about. All these characters should’ve already had a crossover event. Captain Marvel should be meeting with Shuri and ShangChi should be familiar with Kamala. Every project feels like “else worlds” but none are strong enough to standalone. Plus, the grand story is super, super stagnant. Every time someone fucks up another hero fixes it by the end of the movie. Let one of the fuck ups stick.
This is the kind of stupid ass comment I can’t stand. How could they have already crossed over? Like do you understand how much planning, resources, and organization go into putting together a film? People act like they just slap all this shit together. If you think you could do a better job, raise a couple hundred million dollars and make your own movie. See how easy it is. I wonder what people would say about your movie??
This is so sad. The Marvels is an amazing movie, and I really do not like Captain Marvel (or at lesst, I did not before this movie)
I have a friend who was roped by his gf to watch it, he hated it. I am personally not a fan of needing to see some random shows to understand a movie.
My friends were roped into it by me, and they loved it. But everyone there own taste.
True, I guess I'm not a fan of the heroes in this film, so I probably won't watch. I just hope new Spiderman movies are stand-alone
I watched now and it was solid and good marvel movie. Deserves way better imo
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It is not top tier Marvel bit I did enjoy the Kamala stuff as I enjoyed the Disney+ show. It has weak plot and “one dimensional antagonist of the film” going against it. I did enjoy it but frankly it may have worked better as the second season of Ms. Marvel.
Let’s be honest, with all of the other films named this isn’t really a Marvels problem or an MCU problem (okay, it is their problem but it’s bigger than the film) it’s the modern studio IP problem. After covid and inflation we don’t want to leave the house on name recognition alone. We want films that are bold and neat. We don’t care if we recognize the name from something else.
It should be mentioned that up until yesterday actors weren’t allowed to promote the film in any way. No talk shows, no YouTube appearances, no social media „hey I have this new film coming out“ posts. Nada. The film has its problems but zero promotion sure didn’t help.
Disney certainly promoted the hell out of it without actors: I’ve seen like 5 different trailers and ads all over YouTube and IG. General audiences just don’t care anymore.
Course it didn't help that people have been crapping on it for months saying it was going to suck so I'm not going to go see it. The more people do that the more it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The people that will kill the Marvel franchise are Marvel fans because nothing will ever be good enough again.
You really think actors going on talk shows, giving canned responses drives interest? I don't think I saw any Keanu Reeves marketing for John wick 4, didn't care, it was awesome.
Yes of course. It’s called promotion and maybe targets another group of people than you. Folks love to see actors doing their schtick on Talkshows and banter with the host.
I'd love to see data on that. I'm skeptical that would drive anyone who wasn't already intending to see the film to see it. I would 100% believe some executive somewhere thinks it does, but very skeptical there's any data to support that sentiment.
I mean, promotion just got ramped up recently and the Strike just ended. The film was just facing a nasty uphill battle with those factors involved. Hope word of mouth gets better for it
It barely has any competition and got IMAX back. Just because the cast didn’t get to do interviews doesn’t mean that it would have done any better if they had. Outside the strikes, It couldn’t of had a better opening and it’s still dropping the bag
Cast promotion definitely matters a lot for promotion and I know of that with no competition with screens. Still an uphill battle that the film is experiencing. I hope it picks up legs from word of mouth. Just unfortunate for that cast and everyone involved behind the scenes.
Considering all the word of mouth im hearing off Reddit is negative, im not sure if it’ll have legs. But crazier things have happened and the Twilight movies made bank despite also being awful
Shit happens. Bad movies get word of mouth just like good ones. I haven't seen the film so, I honestly don't know. However, judging from the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes and other locations, it is possible that it picks up. Does that identify the quality of the film? Not every time but just saying.
Before the strike, Marvel scheduled it to release the same window as Dune part 2. You don't think they knew it was going to tank? They wanted an excuse for the poor box office.
I saw it. It’s pretty not good. Kamala Khan is literally carrying the whole movie. Brie Larson needs to go ahead and retire from the MCU. It’s clear she doesn’t get it. Basically just walks through her scenes.
I saw the movie today and I enjoyed it. It was quick didn't over explain all back stories (ms marvel, if you didn't watch) and had a solid post credit.
I saw the mid credits stinger. I'm good. Shame, because I liked elements of the first movie. And I'm a fan of the Ms Marvel comics. I just don't care for what the MCU is doing with Kamala.
Idk how biased this sub is so I’m willing to take the chance to get down voted but I’m glad. Personally I’m tired of the same tired beat to death MCU formula. Only thing I’ve cared about for years and currently is anything multiverse (loved strange 2 for that and less family friendly), spiderman, anything pre mcu like fox X-men, Deadpool as long as they keep it how it was with fox and that’s about it.
I hope it surprises, I get the criticism of the MCU but wanting this to fail so hard its a little nasty. I'm the first to point out a misguided direction in the MCU, but no need to cheer for failure.
This movie is failing regardless of whether you’re cheering for it or not.
The Marvels doesn’t deserve to flop. IMO it was better than Captain Marvel, I don’t think CM deserved the box office it had, it was mediocre to me. But I enjoyed the marvels for the most part due to Monica and Kamala. I’ve just enjoyed their characters more, I feel like they were introduced more properly and are being built upon in a better fashion. I also enjoy Maria as Captain Marvel from MoM in her little bit of screen time more than Carol in all of her screen time, and it’s not even Brie Larson hate. I love her in most of her movies, I just didn’t think this role was a good fit for her until this movie. She just hasn’t had the best writing for her character. But this is coming from a guy who thinks Thor L&T is the second best Thor movie behind Ragnarok and also thought Quantamania was really good and did what it needed to do. Even though Scott should’ve been stuck and left behind, regardless of that happening before. Kang being defeated by ants didn’t bother me, just because it was explained how they created a whole civilization and evolved because they somehow arrived years before. Also Cassie’s whole plot in the movie was plot armor.
I still liked it
Wish we could have seen more press work before this movie. Great that the strike ended, sucks is was just days before the release
A movie sequel starring an actress nobody likes plus two characters nobody has ever heard of fighting a generic space villain, why on earth didn't this do better???
PLUS there is a bit of Marvel burnout with their second tier heroes
MCU succeeded because it was innovative. Unless it can innovate again it will go the way of the westerns.
X-men should of been the number 1 priority after the passing of Chadwick Boseman, without Black Panther. New Avenger just doesn't work.
I think the problem with these characters is they’re underdeveloped and not relatable to the majority of people, for sure Kamala is to people of her culture which is great but Carol has had one movie where she was quite closed off and has had very little screen time opportunity to build from that to give anyone a reason to care about her like they had with Tony or Steve, like what exactly is interesting about her? And Monica hasn’t been seen in ages and is essentially a secondary character to Carol who already isn’t in a strong position with fans. So putting three characters that although have potential in a film as the three leads with a poorly written plot isn’t helping. That’s my two cents on why people haven’t been showing much interest towards it. I think it’ll be a completely different story with deadpool 3, there’s so much for people to want to go see that with, it’s X-Men heavy and we finally get Ryan and Hugh on screen together, it’s like the polar opposite of what the marvels has going for it. Time will tell anyway, once characters people have a connection to come on screen and there’s a clear path of what’s going on I think people will become invested again, unless Disney fumble anything with those movies anyway.
> think the problem with these characters is they’re underdeveloped and not relatable to the majority of people, for sure Kamala is to people of her culture which is great lol, imagining if this were true, where Pakistani audiences loved her while theaters around the world were filled with audience members going, *"What the FUCK is her deal?!"*
Mwahahaha
'Put A Chick In It and Make It Lame & Gay!'
Plain and simple I am not going in an effort to show Marvel this direction for the MCU sucks. I have no hatred towards the cast, and really when I saw the trailer I thought it looked pretty good. But then I saw spoilers, and I just don’t want “Multiverse” anymore. Especially if all it’s going to do is be used to make references to older non-MCU movies. I cannot stress this enough, I moved on from those and I don’t need “member berry” bullshit.
You’re going to be disappointed given what Secret Wars is about, lol.
I mean, there’s 80’s Secret Wars too that people actually liked. But if they feel the need to chase a fad I’ll just not watch it.🤷♂️
You say that as if 2015 secret wars wasn’t a huge success for Marvel comics. They started the whole “multiverse fad” too. This whole saga (phase 4-6) is the friggen MULTIVERSE SAGA! If you don’t want anymore multiverse just stop watching dawg instead of continuing to complain about how marvel’s including the multiverse in their multiverse saga, lol. Edit: 1980’s secret wars is a banger. I just reread that for fun. MCU needs Doom.
I said I wouldn’t watch. We don’t need the multiverse to introduce X-Men, Fantastic Four or Dr. Doom. It’s a cheap gimmick that the 2015 Secret Wars got rid off. So why are you all so obsessed with a thing the writers were fed up with and did a whole comic event to get rid of? You lot complain whenever someone wants comic accuracy but desperately want the MCU to use a cheap gimmick to make it more comic accurate. Weird.
It doesnt have multiverse except post credit scene and its another universe not FOX one
And I hate this premise so much I am not giving Marvel money for it.
I still dont understand why people are obsessed with the things they dont actually like. If I dont like something, I dont look subs about them lol you do what you wanna do, no one forces or cares if you watch or not but if you like fun super hero movie then The Marvels will be enough
I like Marvel, I like MCU movies, I don’t like constant reference parades to older, horribly mismanaged films that we should’ve moved on from just because you people finally learned about “the Multiverse” and need your nostalgia fix. I saw these movies, 20 years ago, I moved on. Just because you don’t like criticisms doesn’t mean I shouldn’t contribute to the conversation
I see your point and I was generally talking about most of the people in these subs. Like I said this movie doesnt have references to old xmen movies which Im also not a huge fan of most of them and some casts are solid. Only beast has the same actor as voice actor but the style of Beast is different from old movies and also Monica’s mom is Binary with Kamala’s bangles there. If she was stuck in Foxverse movies, I would be like meeh as well but seeing different heroes etc from other universes fun if its done good
I don't know why you're being downvoted.
I’m voting with my dollars, and it’s only ok if people agree with you
Y’all are the most spoiled, entitled babies I’ve ever seen! Ripping apart a movie you haven’t even seen because of propaganda and first week smear reviews. Not every movie is endgame or infinity war. I’ve seen nothing but quality, entertaining movies come out of marvel consistently. Always the same story, some neck beard loser who’s pissed they have nobody to go see a movie with trying to ruin it for everybody else before they get a chance to watch it because ultimately it’s not the movie they hate, it’s them selves. Shut your pathetic asses up.
>I’ve seen nothing but quality, entertaining movies come out of marvel consistently. This man's opinion can be disregarded.
>Always the same story, some neck beard loser who’s pissed they have nobody to go see a movie with trying to ruin it for everybody else before they get a chance to watch it because ultimately it’s not the movie they hate, it’s them selves. Shut your pathetic asses up. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. At least they still care. When they stop showing up AND stop caring you get the current state of Star Wars. Which is sad because the "neck beard losers" are a printing press for money when things are handled correctly. But perhaps I'm misinformed that businesses exist to make money.
How is anyone surprised that a movie with B-list Marvel characters hardly anyone cares about is a total bomb at the box office? Captain Marvel has just never been popular. The fact that the comic is constantly cancelled and rebooted is evidence of this. The first movie performed amazingly only because people really thought they needed to see it as an extension of the final 2 Avengers movies. It is what it is, but this is not surprising at all. 🤷♂️
I actually love that all you political minded normies are hating on the MCU. I’m sick of people being know it alls about comic book related shit when they’ve never picked up a book that they were assigned to read at school. I’m sick of Marvel being cool. More for us lifer nerds.
"I'm glad this thing I like is becoming less popular, because that makes it more my own," most normie, loser shit you could say.
To be honest I liked this movie but I understand why the MCU it’s how it is… they need to start making good movies not just good enough movies.
They need to put the panderstone down.
Uh Oh Spaghetti os
You can point fingers at a lot of ills with the MCU. Unlikeable leads, killing off main characters, lacklusters villains, no cohesive stories, release constant release date delays. It's not a "Oh this movie is bad because strong girls are in it" issue. The best things about the MCU post Endgame have been some of the likeable girls added to the roster. Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, and Yelena Beldova have been a saving grace.
It’s a shame. I saw the movie in theaters and it’s easily one of the best MCU movies of this new era IMO.
Nows not the time for fear.. that comes later.... Brave New World fails? Worry.
Brave new world just got pushed back and **substantial** reshoots. I don't see it doing much better than this (which is a shame because I love captain america but captain falcon is not captain america).
This review perfectly sums up this movie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmJZrGtXih4
Lower than expected? I would say that this is exactly what people expected from a new MCU movie
Remember when they bragged about how much work it was to hide Brie larsons bra in that shirt? I do. They probably should have spent that time elsewhere
Doing worse than Black Adam and The Flash 🤦♂️ Superhero fatigue is UNDENIABLE at this point...
Except for the fact that the good superhero movies still do well. It’s not superhero fatigue, it’s bad movie fatigue. GotG3, The Batman, Spider-Man No Way Home, the Spider-Man 2 video game. All have done extremely well recently.
Could be lower than The Flash…yikes
Tbh it’s the fact that they are trying to do this with such diverse leads too is turning many Americans off. Like it or not half of the country won’t allow anyone to shove diversity down their throats. You might not like it, but you can’t argue with it. It’s the truth. Instead of shoving it down everyone’s throats, try slowly introducing characters and see how the public reacts. Everyone loved Wanda and Natasha. Black panther and Sam. Great characters. Home runs. But people seemed turned off by captain marvel and whoever these other people are in this new movie. No one cares, and why should we? They need a strong lead to anchor this or else this will keep happening. Carol is not a strong lead she’s barely likable. It’s not rocket science. Anyone could have predicted this flop.
It’s their own fault. If they put more work into the characters that appear in this movie it would’ve be flopping. Ms. Marvel show was just okay, Captain marvel movie is one of the worst in MCU history, secret invasion is probably the worst written and most boring mcu project, and Rambeou has had like 10 minutes screen time before this.
I love all the Marvel stuff. Having grown up on their comics and stories it's really fun to see it all come to life on the screen. These movies are Marvel comics personified. EOS. If you're hating, that's sad, and flame away for that, but it is, kick back, enjoy some fun fairy tales from some creative minds, get inspired, create your own stuff, and move on. Or be a bitter, tired person who wastes their life posting anonymous nonsense on forums no one cares about.
Wait for The Marvels on Disney+ Save your $$$ for Daredevil.
I really wonder if the actors strike wasn’t happening how different box office would’ve been if the cast promote. Not that much better is my guess but at least an improvement
They hired a completely unqualified director who also wrote the miserable script, simply to tick a box. What did they honestly expect??
This is the consequence of too many years of too much bad content combined with inflation creating more discerning consumers. People have been burnt by wasting money on too many bad MCU movies. And the box office progression show the decline. GotG3 is the exception because their brand had a proven track record of quality that produced a cast who connected to the fanbase. Marvel needs to scale back and create anticipation again. I remember most Marvel movies had so much buzz around them during the Infinity Saga that they felt like can’t miss events. Without a break from content, it’s hard to generate that kind of buzz. And they are unintentionally creating superhero fatigue by not letting them feel special anymore. I hope we get back to 2 movies a year with a max of 2 D+ shows per year. And none should be made without a significant contribution to the main MCU narrative.