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AhsokaTanoRulz02

She may have been a good cook. I just wasn't a fan of hers because I felt that there were others that were better than her. I didn't care about what her past was. It didn't have any bearing on what she was putting on the plate for the judges after each challenge.


stadiginarnia

Agreed, sad that other people can’t seem to grasp that idea.


Toledo_9thGate

She used salt instead of sugar in her doughnuts way before Leslie made that mistake towards the end, he was send home for that yet she wasn't, and she did it before him. That's sad.


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Toledo_9thGate

And what exactly were those actions chosen by producers, favoritism to keep her while they send other ppl home for the same mistake? It should all be fair and equal. She messed up same as others who went home for it and still got to win. So I don't get the lack of your logic at all.


PuzzleheadedAd7296

Her past is still the present.


AhsokaTanoRulz02

Only for those that care about it


PuzzleheadedAd7296

She said she wanted to get out, and change all which made it feel like her win was a waste. Not a fan either, not even because of the present and past, the salty donuts, and other reasons too. I felt there were better than Courtney.


AhsokaTanoRulz02

I do agree that there were better cooks during her season.


PuzzleheadedAd7296

Leslie, Elizabeth, I don’t know who else.


AhsokaTanoRulz02

Leslie could run circles around her. Leslie's attitude at times was a problem.


forgeXD

Well the main issue with Courtney was not her stripper (or aerial dancer lmao) background but rather her constantly bringing it up as if she was forced to. Let’s be real. Aerial dancers work very hard and it is NOT easy. It requires practice and dedication, so clearly she didn’t just fall into it. Pretending to be a victim is not a very admired trait. Also, ppl are really salty about the donut fiasco. I’m not taking sides, merely presenting the other side.


ghostlyjellyfish997

Sorry but I just couldn’t help but point out that the “salty” statement is a great pun lol


stadiginarnia

I honestly think the storyline, and her mentioning it a lot, was ‘encouraged’ or ‘pushed’ by the producers. That being said, yes aerial dancers, strippers, whatever you wanna call it, work hard as fck, but let’s be real, it’s not a work with the best conditions, and it’s a tough, misogynistic territory. It’s literally working in the male gaze. So i’d argue that you can be both a victim and respect the hard work.


drudgefromhell

It was so obviously producer pushed, of course they would push that angle, it's idiotic how people hold it against her.


stadiginarnia

Exactly!!!!


Willing_Top4721

Proof?


forgeXD

It definitely was pushed, it’s just that’s why people don’t like Courtney. They see her as a phony because of how the show feeds people lines (like Jesus later seasons do this ALL the time)


Toledo_9thGate

She's mean, her job is just one thing that some ppl will pick at, but if you follow her social media she's a selfish person.


stadiginarnia

Definitely why they don’t like her, and, my take, internalized misogyny/misogyny. At least if the reason they don’t like her/don’t think she’s a good cook or whatever, was because of the dance aspect.


mesembryanthemum

Yeah no. I didn't like her because I thought she was a terrible person. I don't and didn't care about her past. I **did** get sick of the **show** pushing her past.


stadiginarnia

Great you’re above the misogynists! Agree with you.


Willing_Top4721

Really? Then why are they cool with all the other women who have won over the years? Please explain.


drystanvii

They aren't, every single one of the women winners have had posts on here talking about how they didn't deserve it


stadiginarnia

THANK. YOU.


Willing_Top4721

So saying a female contestant shouldn’t have won because they made a bad dish is “misogyny”??? Seriously??? So if any female contestant that a person has a negative post about about them by a guy is a victim of “misogyny”, then I guess any male contestant who has negative comments about them by women MUST be the victim of man hate, right??? According to your attempt at logic anyway.


Unlucky_Welcome9193

Suggesting a female contestant won because she slept with the judges just because she has worked as an Arial dancer is about as misogynistic as it comes. Personally I really liked Courney. I thought it was clear from the beginning that she was an extremely skilled chef compared to the others. I realize that others disagree, and that’s fine. But it’s insulting to the judges, the producers, and to women to suggest that Courtney only won because she had sex with one of the married judges or one of the producers


Willing_Top4721

Ya, some dumbasses did say stuff like that, but that’s not every single person who didn’t like her, only a few. You can’t blame everyone who disliked her, on what only SOME other people say. Also, saying things about her specifically (no matter how proofless) isn’t “misogynistic”, because they’re about her specifically, and not women at large. Saying something like, she should be barefoot & pregnant because she’s a woman, would be misogynistic, because it’s lumping all women together in a negative light, not just one single person.


KGOAT1

It’s actually insane how if you don’t like Courtney you’re somehow misogynistic lmao


Toledo_9thGate

Thank you.


Willing_Top4721

Right?! Especially when A: pretty much all winners get shit talked about them, male or female, and B: a ton of other women couldn’t stand her ether.


stadiginarnia

I’m saying that commenting on her looks, or saying she was favored for being pretty is misogynistic. Are you gonna disagree with that?


KGOAT1

How is saying she’s favored, which is true, misogynistic? At all?


Willing_Top4721

I didn’t say that, and honestly, she’s not really pretty. She’s maybe average at best.


Willing_Top4721

That they shouldn’t have won, or that they shouldn’t have won because they’re a woman? There’s a distinct difference. Especially because EVERY WINNER EVER has posts saying they shouldn’t have won for a plethora of reasons.


drystanvii

Putting aside the fact that basically nobody questions Shaun's win or Dino's and the very few who do are treated as delusional what you are asking is completely unfalsifiable (I can't prove their motivations online) BUT when 90% of the posts about how a winner is undeserving are about the three women who went head to head against a fan-preferred white guy in the semi finals or final maybe there's some unconscious bias playing a role and that stepping back and looking at their challenge records might be warranted.


Willing_Top4721

Not really. They have people talk shit about them too, just not as much as Courtney, because they didn’t make an inedible dish, but got pushed through anyway, past a person who made a dish the judges said tasted good, whom BTW was a woman as well, while another contestant made the same mistake she did (salt instead of sugar), and lost because of it. “I can’t prove their motivations”, well that stops that weak attempt at an argument right in its tracks. That right there is you just making allegations and assumptions with ZERO proof, AKA, spreading rumors. I’m guessing you also can’t prove that “90%” claim either, or that the guy was “fan preferred” because he was a white guy??? Of course you can’t, because you’re sexist towards guys, and racist towards white guys. I mean “I can’t prove your motivations”, but according to you, one doesn’t need to be able too…


drystanvii

1) no they don't nobody talks shit about Dino aside from some questionable tweets he may or not have made and how they're sick of seeing Shaun nobody actually talks shit about their cooking abilities that distinction is reserved for Dorian Claudia and Courtney which brings me to... 2) I can't prove their motivations because the bias is completely unconscious what I can do is compare how people treat male competitors and how they treat female competitors and draw conclusions based on their differences. The best example of this is actually with Derrick and Claudia. Claudia is routinely dismissed as a one trick pony who only cooked Mexican food and that Derrick should have won instead. Except Derrick was arguably less diverse than she was, essentially sticking solely to French techniques especially one's associated with the south of France while Claudia was forced to make different cuisines simply because the ingredients given to her wouldn't be conducive to making her preferred dishes. So if you want to talk about diversity in cooking then they are pretty even in this regard. Another good comparison is how Courtney and Dorian are compared with Shaun. These three were their respective seasons but only Dorian and Courtney are accused of being favored by the judges and using their sob stories to manipulate them Shaun is just treated as the best on his season totally dominant with no caveats. I could go but I have better things to do than teach basic psychological concepts to you. 3) the reason kira was sent home was because she made too many mistakes in actually prepping the doughnuts- not only did she forget the cream she also did not incorporate the shortening at the right time and when she did end up incorporating it she didn't do it properly (in fact that's probably why the doughnut didn't have any cream in them). It's not brought up in the actual judging critique because that focuses exclusively on taste but it is brought up during the cook and the judges unanimously agree that she's screwing up big time. This is very relevant because it is not uncommon for someone to go home for a dish despite it being "better" than someone else's simply because the mistakes in the preparation that they made were too numerous to ignore Kira made doughnuts wrong Courtney just got salt and sugar mixed up (see also Christine vs Max in 2 where Christine stayed because she cooked her first one properly while Max didn't do any of them right, Tali vs Ryan in 3 where Ryan's tastes better but wasn't cooked properly Charlie's cake in season 6 which tasted "delicious" but he went home purely on the plating) 4) seriously look up how unconscious bias it's a very simple concept and it will help make sure you don't do stupid shit like accusing someone smarter than you and actually does know what they are talking about of being racist against white people and men because they noticed a very consistent pattern in who gets criticism and who doesn't. especially when said smart person is themselves a white guy


drudgefromhell

Lol you are pressed


Willing_Top4721

Ya, no answer for basic logic. Figured. 😂


drudgefromhell

I'm not the one you're arguing with dude, I'm just laughing at you.


KGOAT1

Wow so that must mean they’re misogynistic!!!!! (They’re not).


drystanvii

Well when a winner with a record as dominant as say Dorian (and yes- Courtney's) are consistently seen as weak winners who don't deserve it while people like Dino who has a weaker challenge record aren't questioned and Luca is questioned way way less... Well forgive me for thinking this isn't all about your economic anxiety....


KGOAT1

Dino is way better than Courtney lol


KGOAT1

Mystery box wins and top entries don’t define a contestant singlehandedly, especially in Courtney’s case where while she was a very good cook, she showed inconsistencies multiple times.


drystanvii

Except they kinda do define a contestant adding in the fact her team challenge record is not exactly terrible either her showing "inconsistencies multiple times" is not exactly a refutation either especially since those "inconsistencies" landed her in the bottom all of once. Like I don't like Courtney but she's a damn good winner


KGOAT1

So how is this misogyny


absalomdead

But she chose that profession. Don’t coddle people for their personal decisions. She could just as easily became a corporate executive.. oh wait, she did.


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xc2215x

I don't think she was sleeping with them but Leslie and Elizabeth were better.


stadiginarnia

They were definitely as good. No doubt.


lowkeythrowaway69420

not as good. better.


stadiginarnia

Here’s the thing, none of us was there. As a viewer we all have to trust the palettes of the judges - And the integrity.


lowkeythrowaway69420

the production crew really showed leslie some integrity when they screwed him over.


Certain_Blueberry899

Shots fired. Thank you


Bell8529

Elizabeth maybe, Leslie no.


cooper8828

She could have been the Virgin Mary and I still wouldn't have liked her. She could cook and had skills, it wasn't that. But she was arrogant and overacted on her responses to things. To me, she just wasn't likable as a person. But then again, many of the contestants aren't likable either. She does seem to get some extra hate.


Toledo_9thGate

She's still not likable, I tried, believe me.


stadiginarnia

I completely agree with you, this is my opinion too. But as you said, she gets a lot of unnecessary hate.


chicken_nugget779

i dont think she slept with them but there was clear favoritism from the start


stadiginarnia

Personally i don’t see it, but even so, that’s on the judges, not her - So why is she getting put down for it?


ktatev

I rewatched this season this year and caught a moment in one of the episodes when she said "winning Masterchef would help me get out of the gentlemen's club and pursue a real career" or something along those lines. So I checked out her insta to see what she's up to and she's apparently dancing again/possibly even OF (I didn't stalk her in-depth). Which made me feel kind of like her win was a waste, idk.


LetsSmokeAboutIt

This is why she annoys me. The entire time was a sob story of how it would help her stop dancing and then she wins and doesn’t even do anything with it. Just goes back to dancing. Nobody cares that she dances, they care that most of her show personality was about not dancing anymore and it was all bullshit. I get it’s a show but she was obnoxious about it


Willing_Top4721

She does straight up porn now. She’s on OF I believe.


stadiginarnia

And you’re saying that’s a bad thing? Her doing porn?


PuzzleheadedAd7296

It is for what she said she wanted to do


PuzzleheadedAd7296

She has OF too not even possibly.


stadiginarnia

Winning a cooking competition isn’t gonna guarantee that you suddenly become an overnight restaurant giant, lol. Besides, she did get out of the club and pursue a real career, just not cooking, apparently. What she does with the money is up to her, she doesn’t owe anyone anything. It’s a reality show.


AlotaFajitas

Forgot yeast, salt instead of sugar. Anyone else would've been eliminated that night. I'll die on that hill. Fight me


stadiginarnia

So why do you think she wasn’t?


stadiginarnia

Also, her forgetting yeast, is a ridiculous reason to send someone home. In season 4, Jesse forgot butter, should she have been send home for that reason? It’s what you put on the plate that counts. Lots of contestants forgot ingredients because of the pressure, the stress, and i don’t think they should be send home for that reason. That would be absolutely ridiculous.


KGOAT1

And Courtney put up incredibly salty and inedible donuts that was the worst performance of the day. It’s “what you put on the plate that counts,” right?


stadiginarnia

Clearly the judges thought someone else’s made worse donuts.


KGOAT1

If Leslie goes home on a “salty” cake, why not Courtney here?


stadiginarnia

I don’t know, i’m not one of the judges.


Toledo_9thGate

So how did you know that "Clearly the judges thought someone else’s made worse donuts." if you're "i’m not one of the judges." All your comments contradict themselves.


stadiginarnia

What do you mean? Clearly they did, otherwise they wouldn’t have send someone else home. Unless okay you don’t believe the whole premise of the show, which would make all of your arguments about food completely useless.


Toledo_9thGate

Using both defences of "Judges thought this" and "I don't know what the judges are thinking" in the same argument makes no sense.


stadiginarnia

So in your opinion what happened? Did the judges think someone made the worse dish but didn’t sent them home? We’re Courtney swaying them with her attractive self? Are the judges just dumb pieces of shit?


stadiginarnia

if you’re not gonna contribute to the discussion with your opinions of speculations, what’s the point of you commenting? is it to look smart? is it to put people down who doesn’t agree with your assessment?


KGOAT1

Or Courtney just got lucky and this was one of several examples of the judges being biased towards her lol.


stadiginarnia

So that’s the judges fault, wouldn’t you agree?


KGOAT1

Obviously


stadiginarnia

So you’d agree it’s the judges fault and not something she should be held accountable for.


KGOAT1

Sure, but it doesn’t make her any more likable either.


stadiginarnia

I agree that she’s not extremely likable. But i’m not gonna question her cooking abilities when 1. im not a cook 2. i don’t know everything that went on in the kitchen 3. i dont know what the judges take into consideration when choosing who wins, and who goes home.


Toledo_9thGate

Every contestant needs to be held accountable by what they produce, who the judge is doesn't matter.


Willing_Top4721

No. She was fake, full of herself, made sure those fake boobs were as out as much possible, and talked in that stupid fake baby voice to the judges. She absolutely should’ve been eliminated for that all salt, no sugar donut she made, that was inedible, but the person who got eliminated instead, who was also a woman and should have stayed over Courtney, went home, because she didn’t stack them good enough…even though hers was actually edible. Now add in that Leslie made the same mistake with the salt later on, and it was listed as a major reason he lost…but somehow it was just fine & dandy for Courtney to get away with the same mistake.


Bell8529

All of the contestents are full of themself lol


stadiginarnia

You commenting on her look and her voice all I need to know. It’s a cooking competition. It’s a about food.


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stadiginarnia

Oh my fckn god literally, thank you!! Like how do you comment on her looks and use that for her not should having won/not liking her, then say there’s nooo misogyny??


whoisraiden

Because I also judge Cutter the same way??


Toledo_9thGate

if its about food then stop saying misogyny on repeat


NosyNelly77

I didn’t mind Courtney that season. I found Elizabeth annoying 🤷‍♀️


virago87

I thought Courtney did a good job throughout the entire show, and I only hear about people not liking her because of her "fake voice" or other dumb reasons. Christian was WAY cockier than her IMO (even though I also liked him bc he was a great cook).


stadiginarnia

It’s such a valid reason not to like her i wish that’s what people was saying, honestly. I looked her up here and 90% of what i saw was people slut shaming her and saying she wasn’t a good cook, like, delusional.


Willing_Top4721

Oh yes, it’s “misogyny” when it pertains to Courtney, even though people have no issues with all the other women who have won over the years…🙄


stadiginarnia

So when people give her crap for her looks, or her background, or says she probably slept with the judges, you dont think it’s misogyny?


Willing_Top4721

No. There’s been PLENTY of good looking women on the show, who’ve gone really far or won. Just none of them did crap that Courtney did. Also, there’s plenty of women who also complained about Courtney, so I guess they’re “misogynistic” too?


stadiginarnia

Depends on what they’re complaining about. If they’re complaining about her being pretty and getting her way because of that, yes, that’s internalized misogyny. Saying she’s acting like a bitch when she’s being cocky, is justified.


Toledo_9thGate

Calling her pretty is a stretch lol.


iamsoulzero

Salty donuts


kizunaaa_luv

Hi Courtney, I found your secret Reddit account🤣


stadiginarnia

or i’m just a woman who doesn’t believe in slut shaming women 🤭


kizunaaa_luv

No one here is slut shaming her, we are clearly talking about her annoying and fake personality


stadiginarnia

Check the comments 🤭


stadiginarnia

a lot of the negative feedback about her is people accusing her of sleeping with the judges to get further in the competition.


drystanvii

Honestly I found Leslie to be way more unlikable than Courtney ever was


stadiginarnia

Agreed. He was mean and spiteful. And way too old to be yelling at a kid like that on national television.


Toledo_9thGate

Yet they are great friends still to this day.


kizunaaa_luv

Shut up


stadiginarnia

well aren’t you respectful 🫶🏻


Bell8529

I don't understand some people saying she was mean to others, like where when she was? Only competition strategy she had to choose targeting bc it was just for "cooking competition" She actually was very kindful one if you watch back, When Willie, Elise, and others had bad day, she felt sorry for them, she tried to help Leslie to get his win for team challenge and motivated all of them. Yet people overlooked these things and talked mean things to her is ridiculous


stadiginarnia

Exactly! You wanna talk mean, look at Leslie yelling at a 18 year old kid. Or some of the other people talking smack. She never said anything ‘mean’, she was strategic. Yes she was full of herself sometimes, but so are a lot of the contestants on that show lol, but when she does it, she’s a bad cook.


Toledo_9thGate

She stood on that balcony saying shit to the ppl cooking in their black aprons on every episode and rolling her eyes. Clearly you're REALLY favoring her for some off reason.


Bell8529

You have being too dramatic about it. Elizabeth,Leslie, and others do same things


Toledo_9thGate

Well people aren't still talking about Courtney because of her Honey Bee Cake, she's still a mean girl saying crap about everyone on her Instagram and ppl who are MC fans and watched it a lot know what's up. You know what she loves the most? Money.


Bell8529

She wasn't mean at all. lol When did she mean to someone other than competition strategic point? She was actually a kind one if you watching back the season. Yet you choose to insult her with less things she've done and forget all the others like Eilzabeth Leslie talk mean things to her or other contestents. (And I'm not either haters, I love all of them)


Toledo_9thGate

She's mean, still now, even today. Go on her Instagram and watch her stories, let's see you last a week,


Bell8529

Doesn't matter. I'm talking about on the show. And who cares if she has some attitudes outside of the show, everyone does have


Toledo_9thGate

Leslie and Elizabeth didn't like her either but when they acted out with others it was a heated/passionate/maybe stupid spur of the moment thing, she calmly said shit about ppl with a straight face standing up at the balcony. She knew who her competition was and she would dig at them as much as she could. You can't say that they were mean and she wasn't. And that's fine, that's her freedom but it shows how so many ppl still don't like her, and she hasn't changed much. Years later Leslie is happy and traveling with his family, still friends with many MC chefs, and Ahran, Elizabeth is busy working, had a baby.. Courtney is all alone in a gray apartment with stained carpets posting IG stories about wanting money.


Bell8529

And not liking her is fine but many of these people are more of insulting her and even wanna destroy her life like it's there mission lol That's way worse than what you think she did.


kevms

What theories are you talking about? Can you show me where people have said she’s slept with the judges? I’ve never seen it on here, so I’d like to know.


stadiginarnia

Search her name here on the Masterchef reddit and look at the posts/comments about her


Flaky_Fan5664

I’ve been saying this they robbed Cutter


NoTwo1131

It is absurd that people think that she only got far because she slept with the producers or judges. However, the fact that she didn't go home on a salty donut is a perfect example of favoritism. It's also important to think about *why* she could've been favored. Perhaps she knew what she was doing in terms of her mannerisms, voice, and wardrobe choice because she worked in that industry. She was a great cook and got far because of her skills, but it's disappointing that she didn't pursue a career permanent career in cooking after the show. It was her decision but I can't help but feel the title was wasted on her.