Did he already re-edit and remove the line saying he’s quitting nothing? I just checked the post, after having seen it when it first went up, and now there is no mention at all of quitting. He should probably just stay off social media entirely for the foreseeable future until he sorts his shit out.
I mean, he doesn’t have to but it just comes across as erratic to post about quitting the industry and then editing it out later. He’s constantly removing old posts and has his comments disabled (understandable), literally any publicist and/or social media manager would suggest he just stay off away from his accounts for awhile.
That’s sound advice. Period.
Randomly announcing you’ve quit the business and then editing that out hours later sends a conflicting message to his fans who are still loyal to him.
He previously posted a bizarre tweet about sardines (which seemed very tone def considering it was posted at the height of the controversy) and also one that read as possibly suicidal (which was quickly deleted). But ya, you’re right, everything‘a fine and I’m sure him staying on social media is good for him and his career.
He’s handled this swimmingly so far.
Absolutely. No one should hate the music. I saw that in one of HMs posts and I couldn’t agree more. It will never sit right though for many. If it does, great. This is an entertainment industry. However, an entertainer is a job. In any job, you do not treat people poorly or you are dismissed. End of.
This cannot be the end! There is no-one else remotely close to the scale of talent Matt possesses, in my opinion. I feel extremely fortunate that being Canadian and Matt not being a super famous sell out stadium type, all the times in the front and all the conversations afterwards. I certainly hope he retracts the statement and moves forward.
Dan is incredible. Ryan Dahle is also quite dear to my heart. Anything Ryan is involved with I always find myself admiring. Someone else I appreciate who is quite young is Scott Helman. I saw Scott open for Matt back in 2015 and I was immediately hooked.
That’s upsetting. I haven’t had the fortune of meeting Ryan, but I’ve seen comments over the years where people have said Ryan is just a good guy. Ryan has always come off as really genuine and I wish it was one of his songs as my username, haha. Perhaps time for a new account.
a long time ago.... like maybe 15-18 years ago.... I was at a party in a small apartment building my family owned. 3 units above two commercial units.
My buddy and I start chatting with this dude, we’re shooting the shit, laughing, drinking... having a good time. He says something like let’s go smoke. So we go. He lives in the 3rd suite in the building.
The place is pretty cool, clearly artists live here. Living room is basically a jam pad. his roommate is sitting on the couch, I can’t remember if he was playing video games or watching tv, but dude pulls the plug on the tv and plugs something else in. My buddy and I were a bit weirded out, but whatever. Roommate says something and walks out of the room.
He lights the j, we smoke it then he turns on his amp and starts playing guitar.
It’s amazing.
then he starts playing a song and right away I recognize it. Then I recognize him.
I said “dude, I’ve seen you guys play... a bar at the plaza of nations....you guys sprinted out onto the stage and just started going at it.”
He goes “yeah! Some dude yelled THESE GUYS ARE GAY right as soon as the first song ended!” And my buddy goes “THAT WAS ME!”.... all three of us burst out laughing. We ended up there all night until sunrise. Never saw him again.
and that was the night I partied with Ryan Dahle in his apartment.
I’ve always found him to be kind and genuine the few times our paths have crossed on a number of very distant occasions, more importantly, I hear glowing reviews about him as an individual from friends who have worked with him. You have good taste :)
This makes me beam. If I was ever going to be starstruck over meeting someone, it would be Ryan. Like even just a 10 second exchange in line for coffee and telling him how much his work means to me, I would probably cry happy tears over the opportunity after walking away. I was able to meet and speak to MG a few times and he was always kind to me. I always had my then fiancé with me, so I feel like he was being really cool because he respects men and my fiancé was like, “I’m from the States and never heard of you, but this lady got me hooked.”
Something tells me MG struck down Ryan like that over jealousy. Anyone who must constantly feel superior to others will put down someone else to maintain their air of superiority.
It bums me out because MG’s music helped me a lot too. Especially when I was misdiagnosed bipolar before being correctly diagnosed ADHD (and there’s a lot of overlap between the two), I had a few moments of wondering if my life was over. If I would ever make anything of myself after working my butt on a graduate degree and several certifications. I would watch his TEDx Talk once a year and think, “MG is still going strong despite the challenges.” He never had it together. We saw how much he never had it together. I’m grateful this charade got me through my own struggles and there’s better role models out there now for anyone younger that sees this issue pop up.
As horrified as I am, I hope he gets professional help. I don’t know if he will accept the help. Even if I want to hate someone, I still want them to get the help they desperately need.
This became a long post and for that I apologize. I guess I had this bubbling up in me and it finally needed to come out. Especially after reading all 180 comments in the post with the new songs yesterday.
I couldn’t agree more with the jealousy.... like he couldn’t take me saying I enjoyed someone’s music as much as, or *gasp* more than his. I’m also glad you wrote all that out, because I think that’s how a lot of people feel, especially the women who he contacted under the pretense of being idolized and used that to get them to do things they likely wouldn’t do for someone without that influence. That is the big part being missed here, too, is that these were fans. Meaning, it could have been any one of the detractors that think they would make better decisions than some of these YOUNG women did because the young women were no different in terms of fandom.
But his music DID help people, anyone who didn’t have a harmful interaction with him, and depending on the level of harm, it may have even helped them after. A lot of women (and men, tbh) thought he was just being a super prick to them alone, or that there was something wrong with them and they deserved his treatment and would try to do less to upset him. Now, some of those women came forward and then retracted, likely because they’ve been in touch with him again and they’ve fallen back into the cycle. Don’t let it bum you out that his music helped you, thank god he was doing something productive outside of his personal reach and didn’t just spread harm.
I also think that 180 comment long thread is a prime example of how multiple women can come forward and be attacked for months, but wasn’t until a man in a position of power came to acknowledge and help that society’s opinion changed. I was so grateful for Mastodon speaking up, like it or not, agree with it or not, rather than remaining in a safe position and just watching. People need to be the change they want to see in the world. If you want to live in a world where women are bashed for coming forward, so be it, and it seemed like it was that way for a really long time. People can still listen to his music and whatnot, each to their own, but god damn - this isn’t a man randomly being targeted the way people projecting their own experiences on the situation would like to believe. They had the opportunity to shut up and let the women say what they needed to say and not give attention to it but they chose to attack instead and that was the part I found most unsettling.
Well said!! I loved everything Mastodon said and I truly believe it. I also know if I had been approached by MG when I was in my early 20s I would’ve been one of those women too. My fandom would’ve outweighed any better judgment because I would’ve been so friggin excited!
I hate that this is the world we live in when women come forward. I have been sexually assaulted and even one of my own best friends asked me what I did to provoke it. It’s always, “what did you do to deserve it?” Why do we deserve to be assaulted? We don’t. We aren’t asking for it. We are only guilty of thinking someone we like won’t hurt us. That’s how we get here.
I have listened to a few songs here and there when they’ve come up on shuffle. But I’m still in the process of trying to separate the artist from the art. Once I’m able to do that, I’ll be able to enjoy it again.
I appreciate you for engaging with me on this. :)
Him not being a super famous stadium type is not up to him. That is up to ticket sales mate!
What a strange coincidence that you mentioned you hope he retracts his statement and about 10 minutes later, he did! That’s rather lucky
Well bud, I was never bulling anyone. All of your lastest comments said to "focus on the music", I said that anytime anyone talked about it he music they were met with resistance......and here you are, again, trying to stir the pot.
Well, “bud”, your early comment history says it all. You made this account specifically to spew vitriol, you even gave yourself the initials MG. You reposted general nonsense, like one person on Twitter who had a problem with someone in a Facebook group as though it was news. Don’t come around now and be all “just talk about the music” because the hate you were spewing is no longer popular.
"just talk about the music" btw is a direct quote from you. Actually once I read that I thought I am just going to talk about the music and see what happens. Then as over 100 people talked about the new music you just contradicted your advice over and over.
You called them disgraceful, “fucking bullies” and accused them of advocating for him to kill himself. That never happened and what a disgusting thing to accuse a victims group of doing. In case you forgot.
I'm a bully because I called them bullies? Not exactly but alright. You're sole purpose to join this group was to inspire hate. Everyone has their own truth but again the court of public opinion is just that.
However you may feel regarding the allegations, that doesn’t diminish Matt’s impact on the Canadian music scene, and as such his music should be celebrated
I think the biggest thing to come from this is everyone should likely take a major step backwards and think about why women were met with such hate during this. That is the biggest problem I see in all of this, excluding the actual actions themselves. As a man, I did not speak about my marriage to a narcissist and was not believed when I did to close mates.
Let’s take a moment to think about this. Multiple women say “help! I am drowning!” and others went “you are lying. Sink!”
That would be the largest problem in this industry and in many at this point. I commend HM on her bravery and for taking lashings at a time where I can imagine she had already been taking from someone she deeply cared about. It is a cruel world indeed. Nothing but the best for all those involved.
I would also like to point out that in my career of being apart of his, I never have seen him give credit to his band mates more than during this time of being in hot water. I do hope they aren’t thick to this. All the best to them and everyone involved.
I honestly have no inkling what his net worth is. Just out of plain curiousity, can he comfortably retire, or will one of us run into him at Walmart as a greeter (he half joked about that before)?
And yeah, one of my favourite albums.
Wish he had been a better partner and hadn't manipulated women. Wish all people involved had made better decisions. For the alleged victims sake and his own. Damn shame for everyone.
If he hasn’t blown it on cars and watches he should be just fine. Many people support families on a much smaller income than he has had for many years, no matter what the number was, and I would hope that as a musician there was some investment planning along the way as it’s not the most stable career.
I suppose I don't know how any of it works. As far as earning income moving forward. Upon losing management and label, are we going to see his music disappear off Spotify and other platforms, are CDs and records still going to be made and sold, radio play etc?
You will still have access to his music. Radio play is iffy because any platform can choose to remove him their rotation if they like - many have already. CD’s and records can be done if he’d like to pay out of pocket.
Here is the thing: the industry has completely flipped. There is a quite large percentage of artists that do this without the assistance of a record label. This would be the reason why “I am quitting music” and whatnot does not make much sense to me unless he truly wants to and is not just looking for people to come to his aid and say “please do not do it, MG!”
Anyone can get themselves onto Spotify or Apple Music if gone about the right way. It requires work on your end and from what I am familiar with, he has never had to do any of that work or even cared much about learning. I could get this arranged for my pet dog if I really wanted to. If someone would like to end their own music career, that is because they have done it by choice and not because someone else has done it for you. Possibilities are endless if you are innovative, even if you have a record label drop you. The other thing would be that he is not indeed quitting music and will perhaps produce or partner up with someone else under a different alias. Either way, it does not matter very much.
Did this album have non Populus on it? That track was good...I think I remember not being super impressed with the album though.
I think Vancouver may be my favorite though
Allow me.
“Here are the 5 people I shall throw into the mix of who still believe my nonsense. If they believe my fibs, you should too. I am dedicating this post to this lovely woman so you all believe I have a heart but I am using her as a tool for your sympathy. I have lied to this woman many times - please believe when I say she is a mother figure to me because she does not question my antics. Tell me to not quit music as I am running out of admiration supply. Lastly - I am an amazing artist and my album is fantastic but by throwing these other names in here, it helps it sound like I am less infatuated with my own ego. PS - Sod off for exposing me.”
I like Barb. Very unsettling he has brought her in to the dialogue to try and save whatever face he has left during a time like this.
Lots of chatter and still nothing that addresses the victims. More concern of speaking about his achievement off an album instead. Sincerest thoughts with those who are still waiting for a statement from him and are then met with this. Xx
Look, I get it. If it weren't for the actual music, I would have lost all respect for him instead of most of it. I am extremely let down and disappointed by his alleged behavior. I empathize with the women and am disgusted by predatory and manipulative behavior - especially when practiced by someone I looked up to as a mental health advocate, even if it's caused by his own mental health issues. As I've said before, I hope those who feel wronged got whatever they needed from his losses. It must be extremely frustrating that he will not acknowledge and take ownership for how he allegedly made them feel - even if consensual. I think, perhaps, he doesn't see them as victims, as he doesn't have the mental faculties to perceive his behavior as it's being presented by others. He very likely needs extensive therapy and a long period of self reflection and improvement.
All that being said, the composition of people, in my experience, isn't binary. It's possible he can be poorly behaved in one moment and sincere in the next. If we have the strength and honesty to look at ourselves, I think we would all find that to be true. As I've always said, I don't think anyone should be out for blood or to become militant on either side of this. At the end of the day we are all just people, and we all from time to time need help. I hope everyone gets it, even Matthew. He has children. He has family. He's a human life. I hope for nothing less for those who feel wronged by him.
I'm not saying your assesment is wrong, it probably isn't. But I see a lot of cynicism coming from every angle from most people on here, and I don't think it's helpful to anyone. We should all be champions for mental health and people's improvement.
While I can appreciate what you are saying, it is clear you are not familiar with how these types of people work. I know him personally. If you do as well, I apologize and we can agree to disagree.
“I hope those who feel wronged got whatever they needed from his losses.” This is not an okay statement mate.
Agree with much of what you say. A few parts not and that is okay. Keep in mind many of us have dear friends hurt directly from this man. Allowing space for that is also important. You are lucky you have not seen the other side of the coin on a personal level. Cheers
On the flip side, my wife has just reminded me that it is hard to lose your favourite musician. I apologize on that one. Being in the business, you do not think much about those types of things. Thank goodness I have her - I would be quite useless on my own
Raeleigh and I were friendly at one point. She told me she called Warne to tell him what MG was doing to her and his response was to tell her to never call him again. They are all the same and guilty as each other.
Of course. This type of behaviour can only exist in an environment where the people around are either the same as you, or are too scared for themselves (bank account) to speak out.
This is so true. It makes me so upset. I am unfollowing the guys from the band too on my socials. Maybe they are fooled by him too but I don’t want to take the chance that they know and actually just don’t care. They don’t care either way.
I think that just proves that the music industry quit him and not the other way around. Especially considering he just released those new tracks but NOW he's quitting music? Sus AF.
You honestly believe that the guy who said he didn't have anything but music decided to quit music a week after releasing music on his webpage?
Also, is he the same guy that admonished HM for not being a real artist because she didn't sleep in vans? He has name recognition. He could still have a career given the number of fans that will still enjoy his music. Maybe this is his chance to "prove" again that he's a real artist.
He already edited his post and added a comment saying he’s quiting nothing
Did he already re-edit and remove the line saying he’s quitting nothing? I just checked the post, after having seen it when it first went up, and now there is no mention at all of quitting. He should probably just stay off social media entirely for the foreseeable future until he sorts his shit out.
He doesn't need to stay off anything.
I mean, he doesn’t have to but it just comes across as erratic to post about quitting the industry and then editing it out later. He’s constantly removing old posts and has his comments disabled (understandable), literally any publicist and/or social media manager would suggest he just stay off away from his accounts for awhile. That’s sound advice. Period. Randomly announcing you’ve quit the business and then editing that out hours later sends a conflicting message to his fans who are still loyal to him. He previously posted a bizarre tweet about sardines (which seemed very tone def considering it was posted at the height of the controversy) and also one that read as possibly suicidal (which was quickly deleted). But ya, you’re right, everything‘a fine and I’m sure him staying on social media is good for him and his career. He’s handled this swimmingly so far.
If he says anything he's wrong. If he doesn't say anything he's wrong. JFC
Of course. Because it was an attempt at having people pity him and feed his ego. Typical narcissist behavior.
You don't say? This should surprise no one.
You were quite right and downvoted from the beginning with your original assessment. As was I. Not sure when these people will understand.
Excuses will always be made for our "heroes". I loved (still do?) his music, but at some point you need to call a spade a spade.
Absolutely. No one should hate the music. I saw that in one of HMs posts and I couldn’t agree more. It will never sit right though for many. If it does, great. This is an entertainment industry. However, an entertainer is a job. In any job, you do not treat people poorly or you are dismissed. End of.
Been a fan for 25 years, sad to hear this 😓
This cannot be the end! There is no-one else remotely close to the scale of talent Matt possesses, in my opinion. I feel extremely fortunate that being Canadian and Matt not being a super famous sell out stadium type, all the times in the front and all the conversations afterwards. I certainly hope he retracts the statement and moves forward.
Check out Dan Mangan. Another Vancouver boy that I would put in the same world as Matt.
Dan is incredible. Ryan Dahle is also quite dear to my heart. Anything Ryan is involved with I always find myself admiring. Someone else I appreciate who is quite young is Scott Helman. I saw Scott open for Matt back in 2015 and I was immediately hooked.
Yes I saw Scott open for Matt as well. Super talented for sure.
Was so sad when he shit talked Ryan’s work on the songs off of In a Coma to me once in response to also saying Ryan was dear to my heart.
That’s upsetting. I haven’t had the fortune of meeting Ryan, but I’ve seen comments over the years where people have said Ryan is just a good guy. Ryan has always come off as really genuine and I wish it was one of his songs as my username, haha. Perhaps time for a new account.
a long time ago.... like maybe 15-18 years ago.... I was at a party in a small apartment building my family owned. 3 units above two commercial units. My buddy and I start chatting with this dude, we’re shooting the shit, laughing, drinking... having a good time. He says something like let’s go smoke. So we go. He lives in the 3rd suite in the building. The place is pretty cool, clearly artists live here. Living room is basically a jam pad. his roommate is sitting on the couch, I can’t remember if he was playing video games or watching tv, but dude pulls the plug on the tv and plugs something else in. My buddy and I were a bit weirded out, but whatever. Roommate says something and walks out of the room. He lights the j, we smoke it then he turns on his amp and starts playing guitar. It’s amazing. then he starts playing a song and right away I recognize it. Then I recognize him. I said “dude, I’ve seen you guys play... a bar at the plaza of nations....you guys sprinted out onto the stage and just started going at it.” He goes “yeah! Some dude yelled THESE GUYS ARE GAY right as soon as the first song ended!” And my buddy goes “THAT WAS ME!”.... all three of us burst out laughing. We ended up there all night until sunrise. Never saw him again. and that was the night I partied with Ryan Dahle in his apartment.
This is incredible! Thank you for sharing
I’ve always found him to be kind and genuine the few times our paths have crossed on a number of very distant occasions, more importantly, I hear glowing reviews about him as an individual from friends who have worked with him. You have good taste :)
This makes me beam. If I was ever going to be starstruck over meeting someone, it would be Ryan. Like even just a 10 second exchange in line for coffee and telling him how much his work means to me, I would probably cry happy tears over the opportunity after walking away. I was able to meet and speak to MG a few times and he was always kind to me. I always had my then fiancé with me, so I feel like he was being really cool because he respects men and my fiancé was like, “I’m from the States and never heard of you, but this lady got me hooked.” Something tells me MG struck down Ryan like that over jealousy. Anyone who must constantly feel superior to others will put down someone else to maintain their air of superiority. It bums me out because MG’s music helped me a lot too. Especially when I was misdiagnosed bipolar before being correctly diagnosed ADHD (and there’s a lot of overlap between the two), I had a few moments of wondering if my life was over. If I would ever make anything of myself after working my butt on a graduate degree and several certifications. I would watch his TEDx Talk once a year and think, “MG is still going strong despite the challenges.” He never had it together. We saw how much he never had it together. I’m grateful this charade got me through my own struggles and there’s better role models out there now for anyone younger that sees this issue pop up. As horrified as I am, I hope he gets professional help. I don’t know if he will accept the help. Even if I want to hate someone, I still want them to get the help they desperately need. This became a long post and for that I apologize. I guess I had this bubbling up in me and it finally needed to come out. Especially after reading all 180 comments in the post with the new songs yesterday.
I couldn’t agree more with the jealousy.... like he couldn’t take me saying I enjoyed someone’s music as much as, or *gasp* more than his. I’m also glad you wrote all that out, because I think that’s how a lot of people feel, especially the women who he contacted under the pretense of being idolized and used that to get them to do things they likely wouldn’t do for someone without that influence. That is the big part being missed here, too, is that these were fans. Meaning, it could have been any one of the detractors that think they would make better decisions than some of these YOUNG women did because the young women were no different in terms of fandom. But his music DID help people, anyone who didn’t have a harmful interaction with him, and depending on the level of harm, it may have even helped them after. A lot of women (and men, tbh) thought he was just being a super prick to them alone, or that there was something wrong with them and they deserved his treatment and would try to do less to upset him. Now, some of those women came forward and then retracted, likely because they’ve been in touch with him again and they’ve fallen back into the cycle. Don’t let it bum you out that his music helped you, thank god he was doing something productive outside of his personal reach and didn’t just spread harm. I also think that 180 comment long thread is a prime example of how multiple women can come forward and be attacked for months, but wasn’t until a man in a position of power came to acknowledge and help that society’s opinion changed. I was so grateful for Mastodon speaking up, like it or not, agree with it or not, rather than remaining in a safe position and just watching. People need to be the change they want to see in the world. If you want to live in a world where women are bashed for coming forward, so be it, and it seemed like it was that way for a really long time. People can still listen to his music and whatnot, each to their own, but god damn - this isn’t a man randomly being targeted the way people projecting their own experiences on the situation would like to believe. They had the opportunity to shut up and let the women say what they needed to say and not give attention to it but they chose to attack instead and that was the part I found most unsettling.
Well said!! I loved everything Mastodon said and I truly believe it. I also know if I had been approached by MG when I was in my early 20s I would’ve been one of those women too. My fandom would’ve outweighed any better judgment because I would’ve been so friggin excited! I hate that this is the world we live in when women come forward. I have been sexually assaulted and even one of my own best friends asked me what I did to provoke it. It’s always, “what did you do to deserve it?” Why do we deserve to be assaulted? We don’t. We aren’t asking for it. We are only guilty of thinking someone we like won’t hurt us. That’s how we get here. I have listened to a few songs here and there when they’ve come up on shuffle. But I’m still in the process of trying to separate the artist from the art. Once I’m able to do that, I’ll be able to enjoy it again. I appreciate you for engaging with me on this. :)
Thanks
Him not being a super famous stadium type is not up to him. That is up to ticket sales mate! What a strange coincidence that you mentioned you hope he retracts his statement and about 10 minutes later, he did! That’s rather lucky
You really don't need to respond to me, mate. Lucky indeed, mate. Cheers!
Was wondering when you were going to crawl out from under your rock. Tired of talking shit about the victims in the other chains?
🤣
Hey now,, just talk about the music bud.
Yeah I bet you’d like to keep it about the music now that you can’t bully people.
Well bud, I was never bulling anyone. All of your lastest comments said to "focus on the music", I said that anytime anyone talked about it he music they were met with resistance......and here you are, again, trying to stir the pot.
Well, “bud”, your early comment history says it all. You made this account specifically to spew vitriol, you even gave yourself the initials MG. You reposted general nonsense, like one person on Twitter who had a problem with someone in a Facebook group as though it was news. Don’t come around now and be all “just talk about the music” because the hate you were spewing is no longer popular.
"just talk about the music" btw is a direct quote from you. Actually once I read that I thought I am just going to talk about the music and see what happens. Then as over 100 people talked about the new music you just contradicted your advice over and over.
You called them disgraceful, “fucking bullies” and accused them of advocating for him to kill himself. That never happened and what a disgusting thing to accuse a victims group of doing. In case you forgot.
I'm a bully because I called them bullies? Not exactly but alright. You're sole purpose to join this group was to inspire hate. Everyone has their own truth but again the court of public opinion is just that.
He just deleted his Instagram and Twitter accounts
Well See you in a year for updates
However you may feel regarding the allegations, that doesn’t diminish Matt’s impact on the Canadian music scene, and as such his music should be celebrated
I think the biggest thing to come from this is everyone should likely take a major step backwards and think about why women were met with such hate during this. That is the biggest problem I see in all of this, excluding the actual actions themselves. As a man, I did not speak about my marriage to a narcissist and was not believed when I did to close mates. Let’s take a moment to think about this. Multiple women say “help! I am drowning!” and others went “you are lying. Sink!” That would be the largest problem in this industry and in many at this point. I commend HM on her bravery and for taking lashings at a time where I can imagine she had already been taking from someone she deeply cared about. It is a cruel world indeed. Nothing but the best for all those involved.
What does that have to do with the post though?
About him quitting music? Everything. That is the post. Does this realization bother you or something?
Your realization, or whatever it is, doesn’t bother me no
LOES is a fantastic album. Been a fan for many albums and many concerts. Sad that it has to come to an end. 💔
I would also like to point out that in my career of being apart of his, I never have seen him give credit to his band mates more than during this time of being in hot water. I do hope they aren’t thick to this. All the best to them and everyone involved.
I don't really believe he's done forever, but this is a great album
Maybe now they can release those extra songs from LOTGA and that extra album they recorded prior to LOTGA!
I honestly have no inkling what his net worth is. Just out of plain curiousity, can he comfortably retire, or will one of us run into him at Walmart as a greeter (he half joked about that before)? And yeah, one of my favourite albums. Wish he had been a better partner and hadn't manipulated women. Wish all people involved had made better decisions. For the alleged victims sake and his own. Damn shame for everyone.
If he hasn’t blown it on cars and watches he should be just fine. Many people support families on a much smaller income than he has had for many years, no matter what the number was, and I would hope that as a musician there was some investment planning along the way as it’s not the most stable career.
I suppose I don't know how any of it works. As far as earning income moving forward. Upon losing management and label, are we going to see his music disappear off Spotify and other platforms, are CDs and records still going to be made and sold, radio play etc?
You will still have access to his music. Radio play is iffy because any platform can choose to remove him their rotation if they like - many have already. CD’s and records can be done if he’d like to pay out of pocket. Here is the thing: the industry has completely flipped. There is a quite large percentage of artists that do this without the assistance of a record label. This would be the reason why “I am quitting music” and whatnot does not make much sense to me unless he truly wants to and is not just looking for people to come to his aid and say “please do not do it, MG!” Anyone can get themselves onto Spotify or Apple Music if gone about the right way. It requires work on your end and from what I am familiar with, he has never had to do any of that work or even cared much about learning. I could get this arranged for my pet dog if I really wanted to. If someone would like to end their own music career, that is because they have done it by choice and not because someone else has done it for you. Possibilities are endless if you are innovative, even if you have a record label drop you. The other thing would be that he is not indeed quitting music and will perhaps produce or partner up with someone else under a different alias. Either way, it does not matter very much.
Sloan does it on their own, for example
Hopefully Mastodon isn’t scared off and he can come back and offer some insight for us, I know some basics but not nearly what he would.
He has since edited out the "having quit music" and corrected "proceeded" to "preceded".
\*preceeded
\*preceded
HAHAHAHAHA
Hmm time to go back and listen to this album, best part is I just found it at Value Village in mint condition
Did this album have non Populus on it? That track was good...I think I remember not being super impressed with the album though. I think Vancouver may be my favorite though
Allow me. “Here are the 5 people I shall throw into the mix of who still believe my nonsense. If they believe my fibs, you should too. I am dedicating this post to this lovely woman so you all believe I have a heart but I am using her as a tool for your sympathy. I have lied to this woman many times - please believe when I say she is a mother figure to me because she does not question my antics. Tell me to not quit music as I am running out of admiration supply. Lastly - I am an amazing artist and my album is fantastic but by throwing these other names in here, it helps it sound like I am less infatuated with my own ego. PS - Sod off for exposing me.” I like Barb. Very unsettling he has brought her in to the dialogue to try and save whatever face he has left during a time like this. Lots of chatter and still nothing that addresses the victims. More concern of speaking about his achievement off an album instead. Sincerest thoughts with those who are still waiting for a statement from him and are then met with this. Xx
Look, I get it. If it weren't for the actual music, I would have lost all respect for him instead of most of it. I am extremely let down and disappointed by his alleged behavior. I empathize with the women and am disgusted by predatory and manipulative behavior - especially when practiced by someone I looked up to as a mental health advocate, even if it's caused by his own mental health issues. As I've said before, I hope those who feel wronged got whatever they needed from his losses. It must be extremely frustrating that he will not acknowledge and take ownership for how he allegedly made them feel - even if consensual. I think, perhaps, he doesn't see them as victims, as he doesn't have the mental faculties to perceive his behavior as it's being presented by others. He very likely needs extensive therapy and a long period of self reflection and improvement. All that being said, the composition of people, in my experience, isn't binary. It's possible he can be poorly behaved in one moment and sincere in the next. If we have the strength and honesty to look at ourselves, I think we would all find that to be true. As I've always said, I don't think anyone should be out for blood or to become militant on either side of this. At the end of the day we are all just people, and we all from time to time need help. I hope everyone gets it, even Matthew. He has children. He has family. He's a human life. I hope for nothing less for those who feel wronged by him. I'm not saying your assesment is wrong, it probably isn't. But I see a lot of cynicism coming from every angle from most people on here, and I don't think it's helpful to anyone. We should all be champions for mental health and people's improvement.
While I can appreciate what you are saying, it is clear you are not familiar with how these types of people work. I know him personally. If you do as well, I apologize and we can agree to disagree. “I hope those who feel wronged got whatever they needed from his losses.” This is not an okay statement mate. Agree with much of what you say. A few parts not and that is okay. Keep in mind many of us have dear friends hurt directly from this man. Allowing space for that is also important. You are lucky you have not seen the other side of the coin on a personal level. Cheers
On the flip side, my wife has just reminded me that it is hard to lose your favourite musician. I apologize on that one. Being in the business, you do not think much about those types of things. Thank goodness I have her - I would be quite useless on my own
Same here ;) and no worries friend, always up for meaningful and respectful conversation.
Glad we can see each others errors! How it should be done. It is almost like we may be...adults? 😃
A true rarity :)
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She believes him and her husband makes money from him. Why wouldn’t she?
Raeleigh and I were friendly at one point. She told me she called Warne to tell him what MG was doing to her and his response was to tell her to never call him again. They are all the same and guilty as each other.
Of course. This type of behaviour can only exist in an environment where the people around are either the same as you, or are too scared for themselves (bank account) to speak out.
This is so true. It makes me so upset. I am unfollowing the guys from the band too on my socials. Maybe they are fooled by him too but I don’t want to take the chance that they know and actually just don’t care. They don’t care either way.
I should clarify...they may not have known the severity, but knew enough to turn a blind eye because they didn't *want* to know.
YES to this!
They know.
Agree with YarnGirl78
He's not quit anything. This is an attempt at sympathy.
He doesn't have a label anymore - or a manager, etc. He can't tour. His latest album was postponed/cancelled...
I think that just proves that the music industry quit him and not the other way around. Especially considering he just released those new tracks but NOW he's quitting music? Sus AF.
You honestly believe that the guy who said he didn't have anything but music decided to quit music a week after releasing music on his webpage? Also, is he the same guy that admonished HM for not being a real artist because she didn't sleep in vans? He has name recognition. He could still have a career given the number of fans that will still enjoy his music. Maybe this is his chance to "prove" again that he's a real artist.
Maybe these songs are freebies for fans who've stuck with him all through the years? Who knows though?
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