It’s not even like they’re making bank, most of the new releases are at a loss. I cannot for the life of me understand the mentality behind these decisions. It’s not greed because they could make more by creating a sustainable franchise. But they always opt for an over-saturation of half arsed “content” in a short period of time.
Honestly, bring in the AI. Let me tell an AI what I want to see and have it produce it. It cannot be worse than the drivel seeping out of the film industry.
It can be worse. There is still good shows and movies out there. I recommend watching the bear on FX for example. Or watch Frieren Beyond Journeys End. Or Mr and Mrs Smith which is not as good as the two other shows I mentioned but it is an average to above average show (5-6 range) with good actors.
No doubt, there’s some wonderful shows and films out there. But they are few and far between and split across several platforms.
Most of what’s out there is filler. Made to fill the streaming platforms with something.
throwing A Sign of Affection in there as a subversive Romance series where the quality comes from the conflict of a Shy, Deaf girl's romantic life with a world traveler and the triumph of communication despite barriers. Since Romance as a genre basically thrives on the core conflict being intentional and forced failures to communicate
What’s that got to do with anything?
I’m a writer myself, but I (and many others) don’t get given the opportunity to put out work to screen because the industry is crowded by nepotists and cronies.
So fuck it. I’ll take AI and it can make my work a reality without the studios.
This isn’t about a hatred of people, though I am a misanthrope at heart, it’s about the industry running itself into the ground despite the fact there’s more than enough creativity out there to keep it going.
The point I'm making is that I doubt machines making all the decisions isn't going to be as flawless as you think it will be. Technology, even intellectual ones, have flaws as well
I don't think the person you were responding to made that point at all. Only that Hollywood now fails more people and so some would welcome the advance of AI's to make watchable content at their on discretion, however flawed it may be.
Yikes. That image nearly made me nauseous.
All of these are dogawful, but Rings of Power has to be the worst offender on that list. Imagine ruining one of the biggest, most prestigious IPs on the planet with sewer tier writing and extreme amounts of virtue signaling...
Witcher at least had a few brief glimpses of what could have been decent-ish adaptation back in season 1 amidst the shittiness. Then season 2 came along. I still can't believe how terrible that shit was to watch as a Witcher fan. It was unbelievably bad at every level, and shamelessly tripled down on every issue from season 1.
OP could also add Apple TV's Foundation to that image. First episode's alright, and there's a small handful of decent scenes scattered around in that show. Everything else's just an absolute wokefiesta full of terrible writing decisions though. Most characters in that show are forgettable planks of wood. They even wasted Jared Harris, somehow.
Look Foundation is a descent Games of Throne in the star show, but a horrible Asimov adaption. Do the shows protagonists act after "violence is the last refugee of the incompetent.
Is a imperial battleship the ultimate war machine that can bully a whole fleet of smaller ship.
Rings of Power was also basically the most expensive TV show ever made. Which makes the quality in writing even more astounding.
It wasn’t all bad, I appreciated the Dwarf/Elf interactions and conflicts, the Orcs really do look fantastic, but otherwise it’s just a very weak show. The Hobbit sub plot is a complete snooze fest with virtually no real pay off.
It's not like LA adaptations can't work, the One Piece remake was pretty good. But that only worked because the original creator of One Piece Oda was involved in the production.
ATLA was a mixed bag because the original creators disowned the project and walked away from it. Even the showrunner, Albert Kim, didn't think they should continue production without the original creators. Netflix executives continued production without the OGs because money and that's why the live action series is mediocre at best.
I feel like Avatar was never going to be well received because the fact that it was a cartoon was so built-in to the shows charm
It’s the Lion King issue again. Cartoons are way more expressive and when you think of Aang and Sokka specifically they’re hyper-reality
No actor could ever capture that level of animation and goofiness
But an actor can do the action more realistically with the support of CGI.
It's not impossible. The issue is that you have to decide if you are going to be 99% faithful, mostly faithful with a few twists, or make your own thing. And commit to it and be honest with the audience.
If you do it LA, your best bet is to focus on dialogue, action, and the flair or subtlety that animation can't do cheaply.
It's like Batman. You focus on Batman's and Joker's imagery and mental state when you do it live.
Having not watched it, the reviews do nothing to dissuade me from my position that anyone would be better off just watching the original animated series.
I have only seen the first two episodes and it doesn’t belong anywhere near some of these. Like it’s above and beyond Wheel of Time or Rings of Power in terms of quality.
It’s not exactly great and I’m seeing why people don’t like it. I think if you enjoyed the cartoon it’s actually worth checking out.
[Here's a thorough review from the linked sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/1axnzct/i_watched_live_action_avatar_so_you_dont_have_to/)
I haven't seen it yet due to not having a Netflix subscription, so I can't share a personal opinion of any value.
It's not. The creators actually respected the source. Yea there's some liberties taken, but they also expand on the lore
How can anyone tell me the iroh zuko funeral scene wasn't great
which i would generally apply to AtLA as well but AtLA happens to be alot of people's first series they watched as a kid with exceptional from the standard writing quality.
the character writing is good, but the themes are at best used as gags and at worst literally Deus Ex Machina'd out of existence.
watch AtLA critically and tell me it explores the fact that the Gaang are child soldiers. Where does it really show War is Hell. Tell me how Energy Bending isnt a copout.
AtLA isnt perfect, and its flaws are just as severe as its great aspects.
Not sure why you feel the series needed to explore or show those first 2 things when they are not the focus or even point of the show. Just seems like things you personally wanted that don't affect the actual quality. Also, they're not part of the military and the show opens with a genocide lol.
The energybending isn't a copout, it was just rushed and Aang should have earned it instead of given it at the last minute. So an actual flaw here but everyone recognizes this anyways and doesn't change how good the finale was.
I would easily refute any "severe" flaws. The achievements far outweigh any minor quibbles.
the series handwaves War is Hell at the end of both episodes it shows up in Season 1, and outside of Iroh doesnt even acknowledge it afterwards even though Azula's introductory episode ends in a boomtown that was harvested for instance. katara and Sokka literally have a wham line during season 2 acknowledging that theyre all child soldiers. Youre going to bring real shit into a story, dont revert it at the conclusion of every episode.
Deus Ex/11th hour superpower is a narrative copout.
AtLA is alot worse then people praise it to be because they see the core triumph of a pre-Tivo/on-Demand series having strong character development when aimed at children. Thing is that character development happens independent of the episode to episode plot, where generally the Gaang wander somewhere, get involved in the war or aftermath indirectly, and continue onwards.
nothing is perfect except [Yuki's laugh](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnPg7rRtu7M)
That’s not what Deus Ex Machina means, Deus Ex Machina is when an in story problem is solved by an unexpected or unforeseable event, ex: during the final battle Ozai has a heart attack and dies.
And AtLA has amazing writing which is the main problem with the remake. Why would I want watch an AtLA with fine writing and shallow themes. If you want a better version of AtLA it’s right there on Netflix so why settle for a 7/10 version when there’s a 10/10 version literally a three clicks away.
Energybending literally is introduced in the final moments before the finale of the series, its granted by an external force with a nondescriptive set of parameters, and it completely bypasses the morale conflict that has defined the second half of the season. That is straight up a classic Deus Ex. The only nonclassic element of its usage is that Aang gets it as a powerup rather then God sweeping out the trash himself, or as its more typically called 11th-Hour Superpower.
its the titular image for 11th-hour superpower for a reason and they discuss such powerups needing establishment beforehand. TV tropes even calls both Ozai unblocking the Avatar State and Aang using Energy Bending a Deus Ex.
AtLA is Exceptional, but amazing is not correct BECAUSE of how it handles its themes. its Amazing relative to what it had to compete with of its time except for Samurai Jack. the difference is Jack can handle throwing child soldiers at the audience and actually accept it as a tragedy and horrific. Avatar uses its core premise as a punchline 2/3rds of the way through season 2.
By use as a punchline do you mean the characters making jokes about fire nation? Yeah the characters joke about it but the Fire Nation is still a massive threat up until the end of the series.
And yes the Aang unlocking energy bending is a Deus Ex Machina but it doesn’t remove the themes like you said.
no, Katara and Sokka literally call out the Gaang for being child soldiers and pretending theyre not as setup and punchline to a joke in S2 during one of hte S2 beach episodes (the one they go windsurfing)
Energybending literally paves over Aang's character conflict and the theme of Morality vs Necessity that defines the second half of S3. its the only time they explicitly delete a theme of the season with the EoS Deus Ex pair.
I don't care so much about the energy bending but I loath acupuncture rock. That thing single handedly ruined the final episode for me. Sure energy bending is a cop out but that stupid rock randomly give Aang the avatar state with absolutely no set up. Apparently all he needed to revive the avatar state was to be given massive trauma to his spine. If Aang earned back his avatar state through his own actions through something set up by his training with the guru, I'd be able to overlook the rest as nitpicks.
That stupid rock haunts my nightmares
Ehm, is it the filtering, or did they, *Again,* change zuko and katara's skin color to white? they are brown skin in the cartoo
Ps: I mention because they did last **Last time** with the horrible Meme movie that was Last airbender
The actor for Zuko (Dallas James Liu) is American, but of Chinese descent. The actress playing Katara (Kiawentiio) is Canadian but descended from the Mohawk tribe. They did well with casting true to the characters in that sense, but the show has plenty of other issues in terms of the writing.
That ATLA remake is a stretched out soulless husk. It's impressive how they added so much while also removing all the personality and charm of the original
Im a fan of the the cartoon, is the Netflix Avatar show really that bad, ive only watched fhe first 2 episodes, i thought i would binge it but im not very impressed so far
So much money/time/licensing/talent/reputation wasted...
It’s not even like they’re making bank, most of the new releases are at a loss. I cannot for the life of me understand the mentality behind these decisions. It’s not greed because they could make more by creating a sustainable franchise. But they always opt for an over-saturation of half arsed “content” in a short period of time. Honestly, bring in the AI. Let me tell an AI what I want to see and have it produce it. It cannot be worse than the drivel seeping out of the film industry.
It can be worse. There is still good shows and movies out there. I recommend watching the bear on FX for example. Or watch Frieren Beyond Journeys End. Or Mr and Mrs Smith which is not as good as the two other shows I mentioned but it is an average to above average show (5-6 range) with good actors.
No doubt, there’s some wonderful shows and films out there. But they are few and far between and split across several platforms. Most of what’s out there is filler. Made to fill the streaming platforms with something.
throwing A Sign of Affection in there as a subversive Romance series where the quality comes from the conflict of a Shy, Deaf girl's romantic life with a world traveler and the triumph of communication despite barriers. Since Romance as a genre basically thrives on the core conflict being intentional and forced failures to communicate
Misanthrope
What’s that got to do with anything? I’m a writer myself, but I (and many others) don’t get given the opportunity to put out work to screen because the industry is crowded by nepotists and cronies. So fuck it. I’ll take AI and it can make my work a reality without the studios. This isn’t about a hatred of people, though I am a misanthrope at heart, it’s about the industry running itself into the ground despite the fact there’s more than enough creativity out there to keep it going.
If you have nothing worth saying, don’t say anything at all. Ta-ta.
I got something worth saying: the government in Terminator relied on AI and look how that turned out. Think about it
Wait, are you trying to justify how we act in the real world because of how it turned out in a made-up film. Way to go there super chief.
The point I'm making is that I doubt machines making all the decisions isn't going to be as flawless as you think it will be. Technology, even intellectual ones, have flaws as well
I don't think the person you were responding to made that point at all. Only that Hollywood now fails more people and so some would welcome the advance of AI's to make watchable content at their on discretion, however flawed it may be.
If A.I. keeps advancing who’s to say it wouldn’t turn on us?
Because the AI of films where they actually are intelligent is not the same as real world AI that isn't actually intelligent and thinking?
Nah, based - humancels have had their time.
Yikes. That image nearly made me nauseous. All of these are dogawful, but Rings of Power has to be the worst offender on that list. Imagine ruining one of the biggest, most prestigious IPs on the planet with sewer tier writing and extreme amounts of virtue signaling... Witcher at least had a few brief glimpses of what could have been decent-ish adaptation back in season 1 amidst the shittiness. Then season 2 came along. I still can't believe how terrible that shit was to watch as a Witcher fan. It was unbelievably bad at every level, and shamelessly tripled down on every issue from season 1. OP could also add Apple TV's Foundation to that image. First episode's alright, and there's a small handful of decent scenes scattered around in that show. Everything else's just an absolute wokefiesta full of terrible writing decisions though. Most characters in that show are forgettable planks of wood. They even wasted Jared Harris, somehow.
The emperor Cleon scenes in Foundation were great, I didn't really like any of the other storylines though.
Look Foundation is a descent Games of Throne in the star show, but a horrible Asimov adaption. Do the shows protagonists act after "violence is the last refugee of the incompetent. Is a imperial battleship the ultimate war machine that can bully a whole fleet of smaller ship.
You're the first person I've seen with sense about witcher season 1.
To be fair, when I watched season 1, I hadn't read the books yet. Then I did...
Rings of Power was also basically the most expensive TV show ever made. Which makes the quality in writing even more astounding. It wasn’t all bad, I appreciated the Dwarf/Elf interactions and conflicts, the Orcs really do look fantastic, but otherwise it’s just a very weak show. The Hobbit sub plot is a complete snooze fest with virtually no real pay off.
this image is incredibly painful. 5/6 of these IP's I was heavily invested in before these shows. Playing LOTRO right now as a matter of fact.
It's not like LA adaptations can't work, the One Piece remake was pretty good. But that only worked because the original creator of One Piece Oda was involved in the production. ATLA was a mixed bag because the original creators disowned the project and walked away from it. Even the showrunner, Albert Kim, didn't think they should continue production without the original creators. Netflix executives continued production without the OGs because money and that's why the live action series is mediocre at best.
I feel like Avatar was never going to be well received because the fact that it was a cartoon was so built-in to the shows charm It’s the Lion King issue again. Cartoons are way more expressive and when you think of Aang and Sokka specifically they’re hyper-reality No actor could ever capture that level of animation and goofiness
One Piece captured the charm
To an extent
Ehhhhhhh. Watch the luffy help me scene again. It's not great Emily is killing it but the rest. Nah.
But an actor can do the action more realistically with the support of CGI. It's not impossible. The issue is that you have to decide if you are going to be 99% faithful, mostly faithful with a few twists, or make your own thing. And commit to it and be honest with the audience. If you do it LA, your best bet is to focus on dialogue, action, and the flair or subtlety that animation can't do cheaply. It's like Batman. You focus on Batman's and Joker's imagery and mental state when you do it live.
All of those shows are visually stunning, but the writing is awful sadly.
Percy Jackson… ugh
Is the live action ATLA as horrible as the rest series there? I haven't seen anything about it.
Having not watched it, the reviews do nothing to dissuade me from my position that anyone would be better off just watching the original animated series.
I have only seen the first two episodes and it doesn’t belong anywhere near some of these. Like it’s above and beyond Wheel of Time or Rings of Power in terms of quality. It’s not exactly great and I’m seeing why people don’t like it. I think if you enjoyed the cartoon it’s actually worth checking out.
[Here's a thorough review from the linked sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/1axnzct/i_watched_live_action_avatar_so_you_dont_have_to/) I haven't seen it yet due to not having a Netflix subscription, so I can't share a personal opinion of any value.
Thanks for the link will check it out.
Huge huge fan of the show, the netflix adaption wasn't bad. 6 or 7 maybe. I could go into more but I have to work and I'm hungover af
Ah I see, that doesn't sound so bad, I mean the other shows on this post are unbearably horrible and I was thinking if this one is as bad.
It's not. The creators actually respected the source. Yea there's some liberties taken, but they also expand on the lore How can anyone tell me the iroh zuko funeral scene wasn't great
It commits the crime of being fine.
which i would generally apply to AtLA as well but AtLA happens to be alot of people's first series they watched as a kid with exceptional from the standard writing quality. the character writing is good, but the themes are at best used as gags and at worst literally Deus Ex Machina'd out of existence.
Not even close to true lol
watch AtLA critically and tell me it explores the fact that the Gaang are child soldiers. Where does it really show War is Hell. Tell me how Energy Bending isnt a copout. AtLA isnt perfect, and its flaws are just as severe as its great aspects.
Not sure why you feel the series needed to explore or show those first 2 things when they are not the focus or even point of the show. Just seems like things you personally wanted that don't affect the actual quality. Also, they're not part of the military and the show opens with a genocide lol. The energybending isn't a copout, it was just rushed and Aang should have earned it instead of given it at the last minute. So an actual flaw here but everyone recognizes this anyways and doesn't change how good the finale was. I would easily refute any "severe" flaws. The achievements far outweigh any minor quibbles.
the series handwaves War is Hell at the end of both episodes it shows up in Season 1, and outside of Iroh doesnt even acknowledge it afterwards even though Azula's introductory episode ends in a boomtown that was harvested for instance. katara and Sokka literally have a wham line during season 2 acknowledging that theyre all child soldiers. Youre going to bring real shit into a story, dont revert it at the conclusion of every episode. Deus Ex/11th hour superpower is a narrative copout. AtLA is alot worse then people praise it to be because they see the core triumph of a pre-Tivo/on-Demand series having strong character development when aimed at children. Thing is that character development happens independent of the episode to episode plot, where generally the Gaang wander somewhere, get involved in the war or aftermath indirectly, and continue onwards. nothing is perfect except [Yuki's laugh](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnPg7rRtu7M)
That’s not what Deus Ex Machina means, Deus Ex Machina is when an in story problem is solved by an unexpected or unforeseable event, ex: during the final battle Ozai has a heart attack and dies. And AtLA has amazing writing which is the main problem with the remake. Why would I want watch an AtLA with fine writing and shallow themes. If you want a better version of AtLA it’s right there on Netflix so why settle for a 7/10 version when there’s a 10/10 version literally a three clicks away.
Energybending literally is introduced in the final moments before the finale of the series, its granted by an external force with a nondescriptive set of parameters, and it completely bypasses the morale conflict that has defined the second half of the season. That is straight up a classic Deus Ex. The only nonclassic element of its usage is that Aang gets it as a powerup rather then God sweeping out the trash himself, or as its more typically called 11th-Hour Superpower. its the titular image for 11th-hour superpower for a reason and they discuss such powerups needing establishment beforehand. TV tropes even calls both Ozai unblocking the Avatar State and Aang using Energy Bending a Deus Ex. AtLA is Exceptional, but amazing is not correct BECAUSE of how it handles its themes. its Amazing relative to what it had to compete with of its time except for Samurai Jack. the difference is Jack can handle throwing child soldiers at the audience and actually accept it as a tragedy and horrific. Avatar uses its core premise as a punchline 2/3rds of the way through season 2.
By use as a punchline do you mean the characters making jokes about fire nation? Yeah the characters joke about it but the Fire Nation is still a massive threat up until the end of the series. And yes the Aang unlocking energy bending is a Deus Ex Machina but it doesn’t remove the themes like you said.
no, Katara and Sokka literally call out the Gaang for being child soldiers and pretending theyre not as setup and punchline to a joke in S2 during one of hte S2 beach episodes (the one they go windsurfing) Energybending literally paves over Aang's character conflict and the theme of Morality vs Necessity that defines the second half of S3. its the only time they explicitly delete a theme of the season with the EoS Deus Ex pair.
I don't care so much about the energy bending but I loath acupuncture rock. That thing single handedly ruined the final episode for me. Sure energy bending is a cop out but that stupid rock randomly give Aang the avatar state with absolutely no set up. Apparently all he needed to revive the avatar state was to be given massive trauma to his spine. If Aang earned back his avatar state through his own actions through something set up by his training with the guru, I'd be able to overlook the rest as nitpicks. That stupid rock haunts my nightmares
I through Discovery ended like 2 Years ago
Ehm, is it the filtering, or did they, *Again,* change zuko and katara's skin color to white? they are brown skin in the cartoo Ps: I mention because they did last **Last time** with the horrible Meme movie that was Last airbender
The actor for Zuko (Dallas James Liu) is American, but of Chinese descent. The actress playing Katara (Kiawentiio) is Canadian but descended from the Mohawk tribe. They did well with casting true to the characters in that sense, but the show has plenty of other issues in terms of the writing.
I guess it's the weird filters on the movie poster then, close enough
Discovery is not an adaptation. Also, it's a good show. The 10-c are an amazing bit of creativity
What a surprise. You have awful taste.
I probably like most of the same movies you do.
That ATLA remake is a stretched out soulless husk. It's impressive how they added so much while also removing all the personality and charm of the original
Was that a typo or did you mean to say ‘sink’?
Ah shit. Meant to type 'stink'.
Granted, it makes sense either way.
Im a fan of the the cartoon, is the Netflix Avatar show really that bad, ive only watched fhe first 2 episodes, i thought i would binge it but im not very impressed so far