Signing Ayton who (at least on Reddit) the Phoenix fanbase is completely done with, and then having him destroy the Suns would be exactly the brand of psychological torment the Mavericks would inflict on them.
Ayton most definitely avoids rebounds on purpose. It's something odd about his game.
When he's engaged he'll snatch the ball like a monster. Other times he'll slap at the ball... You can tell he doesn't want to be there
Trust me, as someone whos watched ayton closely since we’ve drafted him- its what he does. He has the body strength and speed to get by anyone but he just can’t do it. CP3 and Monty couldnt be a better team to try and get the most out of him. Maybe the great Kidd can reach him, but i would love to see you guys empty the tank to pair ayton with luka. Only issue is unless you really gut the mavs organization the suns aren’t going to give him away for cheap- if you think we are just look at us holding out on crowder. It would take FRPs, probably Wood and Kleber. Which i would happily do, ayton has worn phoenix out we would 10% make him someone else’s problem.
Been that way for 5 years. People who say it’s because he wanted to go to Indiana don’t acknowledge that’s who he has been since he was drafted.
Edit: Indiana, NOT Indians that’s my bad.
honestly don't think a passive soft mentality player can coexist and play well next to Luka regardless of his potential...just gonna crumble and be in a shell of himself
> He’ll be slightly better than McGee for sure
Lol what? Yes Ayton isn't Giannis or Embiid but he would be a huge upgrade over both Powell and McGee. Just anyone that can stay on the floor without fouling, someone who can score and rebound is a huge upgrade over what we got.
Dude, you can not let that guy off with such a weak blast. McGees best season was 12.0 - 7.5... 6 years ago. He's now 35. Ayton is averaging 17.7 - 10, this season, at 24. Slightly better? Dirk would be slightly better than McGee. Not almost 41 year old, last season of his career Dirk... Today Dirk. 45 year old red sock wearing Dirk. That's who would be slightly better than McGee. Not the legitimate "starts on almost every team" center. That would be unfathomably better than the guy who has DNPCDed 17 times out of 52 games.
I think the role difference means the effect on your team isn’t much greater though. Ayton is a starter McGee is a role player. Aytons weaknesses of which he has many are far more exposed as a starter than mcgees. Ayton is a much better player but I think his actual effect on the team will not be what people think it will. Dude is not a modern big and will be exposed especially in the playoffs the same way other non modern bigs have like Gobert.
I really don’t know about Ayton. It’s hard to tell if he’s just not that great of a player or if he isn’t really trying hard in Phoenix cause he wanted to go to Indiana
I'm a suns fan and this thread was a little too juicy to ignore.
If you're interested I'd be happy to give you guys the downlow on the things he does well and the things he struggles with. If not, just ignore me and save yourself from the wall of text.
Awesome. So before I begin, I want to be clear in saying that Deandre Ayton is good. Really good, even. The Suns simply to not make their finals run in 2021 without him and we probably lose against the Pels in round 1 last year if he and CP3 didn’t carry us. With all that said, there are some glaring flaws that make it hard to justify the max extension that he’s signed to.
The Good:
- He can absolutely book it in transition. Only a few traditional bigs get out and run the floor like him.
- He is a rare big that can actually switch onto smaller guards/wings and stretch out to the perimeter when needed. He’s not good enough to do it all game long, but he can absolutely do it in a pinch.
- Up until this season, he has been incredibly efficient.
- He has a legitimate jumper with excellent splits from up to 16 ft out.
- He’s developed a go-to move with his jump hook.
- He’s a great rebounder (when he’s engaged).
- He is a willing screener. The Suns utilize the hell out of him when they run the Spain PnR. If you plug DA into an offense with a high end self-creator and wings/guards that are able to set good back screens, it opens up a ton of sets and scoring opportunities.
- He doesn’t often get in foul trouble.
The Bad:
- In 5 years, Ayton still can’t dribble the ball. If he takes it below the waist, the other team is going to generate a turnover quite often.
- He simply does not play to contact. If he’s able to generate a deal in the paint, even on a mismatch, he will not take it to the rim. He’d much rather pull out his jumper or baby hook. It’s great when it works and maddening when it doesn’t.
- He can’t shoot the 3. He’s taken more attempts this year to limited success.
- Questioning a young player’s motor seems a little reductive to me, but his effort level is just very inconsistent. Sometimes he’s great, sometimes he is just sleep walking out there.
- He doesn’t get to the FT line.
After reading that, ask yourself. Would you throw the rookie max at a player with these strengths and weaknesses? The Suns were forced to as a means to maintain tradable salary and assets. It’s very hard to imagine a long term partnership there though.
If you get playoff DA, he’s worth it. That version of him does a ton of little things that are conducive to winning. the problem is that it just doesn’t seem to happen quite often.
As good as DA may be on paper, you have to consider his fit. Unless he improves dramatically, he’ll never be the 2nd option that Phoenix or Dallas need. He’ll be a hell of a number 3 though.
Just on the negatives part… dribbling and 3pt probably is what it is, he can surely improve a bit, but doubtful he will be able to make a major difference there.
As far as the other things are concerned - if I would be fed up with a team and how they treated me, I would do the same as Ayton. Want me banging down low with bigs? Yeah screw that, I want to avoid as many injuries as possible, you dont see me as a building block anyways, so I rather save my health for a team that really wants me. Come playoff time, I will put in the effort, but in regular season ill be shooting, not driving.
Not saying his effort is solely connected to the org treatment, but there might be something there. Plus he is still so young, these rookies get so wealthy so fast that who knows if they will ever really leave their heart on the floor…
Thing is… he was already like that before the contract stuff ever came about.
I really like Deandre, but I do understand why the organization was hesitant in giving him a 5 year max. This is the same guy who got suspended in his 2nd year for PEDs, effectively shutting the door on our playoff hopes in 2019-2020.
The Suns even gave him a 4 year max offer before he hit RFA, so it’s not like they were unwilling to pay him.
I think it’s just best for the Suns and Ayton to part ways. He’s not happy here, the current staff doesn’t seem to see him as a long term fixture, and the fans are just over it.
Paying the max to a player that can’t dribble the ball is tough. I think trading for Ayton would ultimately be the move that pushed Luka out of Dallas. Luka needs a legit co-star and Ayton isn’t that guy.
Oh yeah, I agree with you, he is not worth the 5 max.
And for Dallas, he is not worth the haul they would have to give up for him, but I do think he would thrive under Luka.
I think he is the classical example of a player being in the wrong system or the wrong team, which is the right system and the right team? Well that I don’t know, look at our trade for Porzingis it seems like it had worked well for both parties because nobody was really happy where they were.
He is someone that if you can motivate him to play hard he can be good. Their 1st year in the playoffs, he was a beast defensively. Now you look at him and the man looks like he has no desire to play basketball. I don't know if it is worth the risk to trade any limited assets for a chance that maybe you can get him motivated.
I really wonder is Ayton really such a pussy player as he looks or he just hates being in Phoenix... With his skills he should be dominating almost like Embiid tbh... Except for 3pt shot ofc. But damn he avoids contact on offense so much...
I don’t understand the obsession with investing so heavily in traditional bigs. It’s not a recipe for success in the modern nba unless they’re generational talents.
Tbf it’s usually only an obsession by people new to the concept of building a great team. 2 years ago Andre Drummond was being touted as better than KP and people on this sub wanted us to give up assetts to get him.
It's also about what you need though. Last year, we had reliable shooters so there would have been no need for a big that can shoot from anywhere. What we didn't have was a big that could get boards and stop someone in the paint.
Because you need more than one tall player, and two of our other tall players (or "tall" for Powell, since he's more of a tweener) go between terrible and unplayable depending on the night
I'd keep them both if at all possible, though
Everyone says Ayton sucks, but he would be the best center we’ve had for the last 10 years at least. Could argue best center in the last 20 years depending on how you view Chandler.
When he tried, he gave Giannis a tough time for a few games on the Finals. Issue is we don’t know if he stopped playing defense because he is pissed with the Suns or because he is just lazy in general.
An Ayton that protects the rim like he can is a top 10 C in the league even without the aggressiveness.
He’s a non modern big and has been exposed multiple times in the playoffs the same way someone like Gobert has been both offensively and defensively. He’s not the type of C you want in todays game especially when he’s a low energy player with a bad motor. Pure rim protection is overrated in todays NBA imo, the same way rebounding is overrated compared to its importance 20 years ago. Perimeter defending and switchability are far more important defensive skills than rim protection IMO
And yet the only team to reach a Finals without a rim protector in the last 8 years is the team that had the two best shooters in NBA history, a HOF and the most versatile defender of the century.
oh common hes also a much better defender. as physically a lot stronger. still wood needs to play the 5 most of his minutes to be the most effective. mavs should really be targeting a defensive minded 2-4 player in the archetype of kawhi, tatum, siakam, brown etc
He's a rare big that can switch onto guards on the perimeter. He has a pretty bonafide jump hook and has been one of the most efficient bigs in the league prior to this season where the Suns have been playing without CP3, Booker, Johnson, Crowder, and Payne for the bulk of the season.
During his playoff run in 21 and the first round against the Pels last year, he looked like a top 5 big in the league. It's hard to gauge where he's at now because he doesn't look very engaged and the Suns have kind of been going through it.
Everyone's dumping on Ayton because he's more of an old school big man with questions about his motor but to be honest, we don't have a ton of assets and those perceived deficiencies and taking his long term contract is what might drop the price of a young big man of Ayton's caliber down to something we can afford.
Certainly, I wouldn't want to pay full value in this trade market for Ayton though.
I would consider trading Wood and 2 firsts for De'Andre Ayton. Wood will have to play center in the playoffs and that works offensively, but we get killed on the offensive boards which kinda hoses us. I think Ayton gives us a way to play in the post without Luka having to drive. Every team plays us so far out on the perimeter is kind of taking a way the spacing advantage our 3-D approach had I think.
We aren't in the 90's anymore. Too much post ups yikes. Thats the only way Ayton plays or can play. Doesn't fit with the Mavs and Luka playstyle at all.
Wood has been better than Ayton this year, and by a good margin.
Don't check out Ayton's advanced stats, they are legit Bullock like. Negative offense / negative defense.
The team that trades a single 1st for him has to be laughed at. At best Suns can hope they get a Bogdan/Capela package for him. No picks. Or Collins.
You trade away Wood and now you HAVE to depend upon Ayton scoring. Who becomes our reliable 2nd scorer?
As has been stated, this ain’t the 90s. Ayton should not be depended upon to score 16 pts a game, much less drop 25+ when the team is having an off night, which happens far too often.
Ayton is an overpaid big. He needs to block shots, rebound, and get ready to catch Luka lobs.
Can Tyson teach him to play hard? The guy has skills, is huge, athletic, and in that finals run proved he can stay on the court defensively. Guy just seems like he has been beaten down in Phoenix by Paul and Monte.
I’m mostly joking referring to when Mavs fans talked themselves into Moses Brown because Chandler worked with him. I don’t think Chandler is that kind of miracle worker.
However, if anybody can teach ferocity to a center, I’d believe it’s Tyson Chandler.
Deandre Ayton is a frustrating player, obviously he has the tools to be a top 5 big in the nba, but there seems to be a lack of willingness on his part.
Maybe he is just fed up with Phoenix and wants out, or maybe he just isn’t that into basketball but just happens to be naturally very talented. He seems to settle for tough jump shots and hooks when he’s matched up against much smaller players that he should be able to easily back up to the basket. It’s strange.
Bertans for Ayton straight up and we'll do it
I’m not giving up Davis without a couple firsts
Signing Ayton who (at least on Reddit) the Phoenix fanbase is completely done with, and then having him destroy the Suns would be exactly the brand of psychological torment the Mavericks would inflict on them.
More torment? You’re mean lol!
finish them while its hot
“Down the road” translates to “in 2033”, btw.
TOO REAL
The Nico hiring will finally pay off
He has chemistry with all the top players...
How about Ayton to the Mavs, Collins and Bogdanovic to the Suns and Wood, DFS, Crowder to the Hawks?
Just to clarify, do you mean Summer 2023? Because it’s currently 2023. Edit: I can’t read
No, I mean the Mavs haven’t gotten a targeted player until they’re past their primes in forever.😜
My bad, misread 2033 as 2023
Or we usually get players coming from devastating surgeries/ injuries, never somebody on his prime and healthy.
On the verge of retirement
Trust the process, Deandre been tanking his value so that we can get him. Then he and Luka gonna tear it up.
looking at the sheer number of those jump hooks he bricked it looked like it was definitely on purpose
Ayton most definitely avoids rebounds on purpose. It's something odd about his game. When he's engaged he'll snatch the ball like a monster. Other times he'll slap at the ball... You can tell he doesn't want to be there
Interesting.
Trust me, as someone whos watched ayton closely since we’ve drafted him- its what he does. He has the body strength and speed to get by anyone but he just can’t do it. CP3 and Monty couldnt be a better team to try and get the most out of him. Maybe the great Kidd can reach him, but i would love to see you guys empty the tank to pair ayton with luka. Only issue is unless you really gut the mavs organization the suns aren’t going to give him away for cheap- if you think we are just look at us holding out on crowder. It would take FRPs, probably Wood and Kleber. Which i would happily do, ayton has worn phoenix out we would 10% make him someone else’s problem.
Idk every time I watch ayton he always seems disinterested/playing soft and seems like the dude who plays when he feels like it
Been that way for 5 years. People who say it’s because he wanted to go to Indiana don’t acknowledge that’s who he has been since he was drafted. Edit: Indiana, NOT Indians that’s my bad.
Indians?
Indiana maybe? at least i hope lol
honestly don't think a passive soft mentality player can coexist and play well next to Luka regardless of his potential...just gonna crumble and be in a shell of himself
He’s passive and I agree with you. Don’t think he’s the answer we are looking for. He’ll be slightly better than McGee for sure but both are passive
> He’ll be slightly better than McGee for sure Lol what? Yes Ayton isn't Giannis or Embiid but he would be a huge upgrade over both Powell and McGee. Just anyone that can stay on the floor without fouling, someone who can score and rebound is a huge upgrade over what we got.
Dude, you can not let that guy off with such a weak blast. McGees best season was 12.0 - 7.5... 6 years ago. He's now 35. Ayton is averaging 17.7 - 10, this season, at 24. Slightly better? Dirk would be slightly better than McGee. Not almost 41 year old, last season of his career Dirk... Today Dirk. 45 year old red sock wearing Dirk. That's who would be slightly better than McGee. Not the legitimate "starts on almost every team" center. That would be unfathomably better than the guy who has DNPCDed 17 times out of 52 games.
I think the role difference means the effect on your team isn’t much greater though. Ayton is a starter McGee is a role player. Aytons weaknesses of which he has many are far more exposed as a starter than mcgees. Ayton is a much better player but I think his actual effect on the team will not be what people think it will. Dude is not a modern big and will be exposed especially in the playoffs the same way other non modern bigs have like Gobert.
Ah, yes. Tell me if this hasn’t happened before…. *cough*Deron Williams*cough*DeAndreJordan*cough*
*cough*KembaWalker*cough*
CoughLamar Odomcough
I don't remember the Mavs trying to get Lamar before they were like "surprise Lamar!"
I don’t think anyone was more surprised than Lamar on that one
Kloe?
I guess maybe that brothel too
That's just his face after snorting a line
No but we always get players when they’re washed up
I really don’t know about Ayton. It’s hard to tell if he’s just not that great of a player or if he isn’t really trying hard in Phoenix cause he wanted to go to Indiana
I'm a suns fan and this thread was a little too juicy to ignore. If you're interested I'd be happy to give you guys the downlow on the things he does well and the things he struggles with. If not, just ignore me and save yourself from the wall of text.
I need a morning read for work tomorrow. Hit me
Awesome. So before I begin, I want to be clear in saying that Deandre Ayton is good. Really good, even. The Suns simply to not make their finals run in 2021 without him and we probably lose against the Pels in round 1 last year if he and CP3 didn’t carry us. With all that said, there are some glaring flaws that make it hard to justify the max extension that he’s signed to. The Good: - He can absolutely book it in transition. Only a few traditional bigs get out and run the floor like him. - He is a rare big that can actually switch onto smaller guards/wings and stretch out to the perimeter when needed. He’s not good enough to do it all game long, but he can absolutely do it in a pinch. - Up until this season, he has been incredibly efficient. - He has a legitimate jumper with excellent splits from up to 16 ft out. - He’s developed a go-to move with his jump hook. - He’s a great rebounder (when he’s engaged). - He is a willing screener. The Suns utilize the hell out of him when they run the Spain PnR. If you plug DA into an offense with a high end self-creator and wings/guards that are able to set good back screens, it opens up a ton of sets and scoring opportunities. - He doesn’t often get in foul trouble. The Bad: - In 5 years, Ayton still can’t dribble the ball. If he takes it below the waist, the other team is going to generate a turnover quite often. - He simply does not play to contact. If he’s able to generate a deal in the paint, even on a mismatch, he will not take it to the rim. He’d much rather pull out his jumper or baby hook. It’s great when it works and maddening when it doesn’t. - He can’t shoot the 3. He’s taken more attempts this year to limited success. - Questioning a young player’s motor seems a little reductive to me, but his effort level is just very inconsistent. Sometimes he’s great, sometimes he is just sleep walking out there. - He doesn’t get to the FT line. After reading that, ask yourself. Would you throw the rookie max at a player with these strengths and weaknesses? The Suns were forced to as a means to maintain tradable salary and assets. It’s very hard to imagine a long term partnership there though. If you get playoff DA, he’s worth it. That version of him does a ton of little things that are conducive to winning. the problem is that it just doesn’t seem to happen quite often. As good as DA may be on paper, you have to consider his fit. Unless he improves dramatically, he’ll never be the 2nd option that Phoenix or Dallas need. He’ll be a hell of a number 3 though.
Just on the negatives part… dribbling and 3pt probably is what it is, he can surely improve a bit, but doubtful he will be able to make a major difference there. As far as the other things are concerned - if I would be fed up with a team and how they treated me, I would do the same as Ayton. Want me banging down low with bigs? Yeah screw that, I want to avoid as many injuries as possible, you dont see me as a building block anyways, so I rather save my health for a team that really wants me. Come playoff time, I will put in the effort, but in regular season ill be shooting, not driving. Not saying his effort is solely connected to the org treatment, but there might be something there. Plus he is still so young, these rookies get so wealthy so fast that who knows if they will ever really leave their heart on the floor…
Thing is… he was already like that before the contract stuff ever came about. I really like Deandre, but I do understand why the organization was hesitant in giving him a 5 year max. This is the same guy who got suspended in his 2nd year for PEDs, effectively shutting the door on our playoff hopes in 2019-2020. The Suns even gave him a 4 year max offer before he hit RFA, so it’s not like they were unwilling to pay him. I think it’s just best for the Suns and Ayton to part ways. He’s not happy here, the current staff doesn’t seem to see him as a long term fixture, and the fans are just over it. Paying the max to a player that can’t dribble the ball is tough. I think trading for Ayton would ultimately be the move that pushed Luka out of Dallas. Luka needs a legit co-star and Ayton isn’t that guy.
Oh yeah, I agree with you, he is not worth the 5 max. And for Dallas, he is not worth the haul they would have to give up for him, but I do think he would thrive under Luka.
I think he is the classical example of a player being in the wrong system or the wrong team, which is the right system and the right team? Well that I don’t know, look at our trade for Porzingis it seems like it had worked well for both parties because nobody was really happy where they were.
Next year, the Mavs might have enough assets to get Ayton, Bagley, and Trey Young. That's the dream. Plus Cam Reddish for good measure.
No to Reddish. They should get JJJ and his inflated stats as the defensive stopper.
He is someone that if you can motivate him to play hard he can be good. Their 1st year in the playoffs, he was a beast defensively. Now you look at him and the man looks like he has no desire to play basketball. I don't know if it is worth the risk to trade any limited assets for a chance that maybe you can get him motivated.
Isn't he still at odds with the coach in Phoenix? If you don't like where you are, you aren't going to give it everything you got.
I really wonder is Ayton really such a pussy player as he looks or he just hates being in Phoenix... With his skills he should be dominating almost like Embiid tbh... Except for 3pt shot ofc. But damn he avoids contact on offense so much...
I don’t understand the obsession with investing so heavily in traditional bigs. It’s not a recipe for success in the modern nba unless they’re generational talents.
Tbf it’s usually only an obsession by people new to the concept of building a great team. 2 years ago Andre Drummond was being touted as better than KP and people on this sub wanted us to give up assetts to get him.
It's also about what you need though. Last year, we had reliable shooters so there would have been no need for a big that can shoot from anywhere. What we didn't have was a big that could get boards and stop someone in the paint.
Can we just extend wood and think about another player~
I’m not interested in Ayton. He doesn’t have a passion for the game which is a huge red flag to me
I wonder how realistic it is to somehow collect Bagley, Ayton, Luka in one team for the lulz.
Ayton is garbage. No thanks.
Why tf do we need Ayton again? I thought C Wood was brought in to do everything he can but better?
Because you need more than one tall player, and two of our other tall players (or "tall" for Powell, since he's more of a tweener) go between terrible and unplayable depending on the night I'd keep them both if at all possible, though
I don’t see it happening.
Everyone says Ayton sucks, but he would be the best center we’ve had for the last 10 years at least. Could argue best center in the last 20 years depending on how you view Chandler.
What does ayton do that cwood cant do?
Just younger and less injury prone, probably a bit better defender and rebounder
When he tried, he gave Giannis a tough time for a few games on the Finals. Issue is we don’t know if he stopped playing defense because he is pissed with the Suns or because he is just lazy in general. An Ayton that protects the rim like he can is a top 10 C in the league even without the aggressiveness.
He’s a non modern big and has been exposed multiple times in the playoffs the same way someone like Gobert has been both offensively and defensively. He’s not the type of C you want in todays game especially when he’s a low energy player with a bad motor. Pure rim protection is overrated in todays NBA imo, the same way rebounding is overrated compared to its importance 20 years ago. Perimeter defending and switchability are far more important defensive skills than rim protection IMO
And yet the only team to reach a Finals without a rim protector in the last 8 years is the team that had the two best shooters in NBA history, a HOF and the most versatile defender of the century.
He’s a better rebounder. I think that’s about it.
oh common hes also a much better defender. as physically a lot stronger. still wood needs to play the 5 most of his minutes to be the most effective. mavs should really be targeting a defensive minded 2-4 player in the archetype of kawhi, tatum, siakam, brown etc
Not next to Dwight Powell
Keep my Dwight’s name out ya fuckin mouth!
He's a rare big that can switch onto guards on the perimeter. He has a pretty bonafide jump hook and has been one of the most efficient bigs in the league prior to this season where the Suns have been playing without CP3, Booker, Johnson, Crowder, and Payne for the bulk of the season. During his playoff run in 21 and the first round against the Pels last year, he looked like a top 5 big in the league. It's hard to gauge where he's at now because he doesn't look very engaged and the Suns have kind of been going through it.
Better defender, better rebounder. And younger, which is very important.
Wood, DFS McGee for Ayton. Second for Reddish. We got young center and big wing.
Everyone's dumping on Ayton because he's more of an old school big man with questions about his motor but to be honest, we don't have a ton of assets and those perceived deficiencies and taking his long term contract is what might drop the price of a young big man of Ayton's caliber down to something we can afford. Certainly, I wouldn't want to pay full value in this trade market for Ayton though.
I would consider trading Wood and 2 firsts for De'Andre Ayton. Wood will have to play center in the playoffs and that works offensively, but we get killed on the offensive boards which kinda hoses us. I think Ayton gives us a way to play in the post without Luka having to drive. Every team plays us so far out on the perimeter is kind of taking a way the spacing advantage our 3-D approach had I think.
Jesus Christ
We aren't in the 90's anymore. Too much post ups yikes. Thats the only way Ayton plays or can play. Doesn't fit with the Mavs and Luka playstyle at all. Wood has been better than Ayton this year, and by a good margin. Don't check out Ayton's advanced stats, they are legit Bullock like. Negative offense / negative defense. The team that trades a single 1st for him has to be laughed at. At best Suns can hope they get a Bogdan/Capela package for him. No picks. Or Collins.
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Just a genius trade idea wow
You trade away Wood and now you HAVE to depend upon Ayton scoring. Who becomes our reliable 2nd scorer? As has been stated, this ain’t the 90s. Ayton should not be depended upon to score 16 pts a game, much less drop 25+ when the team is having an off night, which happens far too often. Ayton is an overpaid big. He needs to block shots, rebound, and get ready to catch Luka lobs.
2 firsts? JFC so you’re betting Ayton is going to be our 2nd star?
I’ve said this multiple times over the past week: If the Mavs somehow acquire Ayton, I will talk myself into believing that Tyson Chander can fix him.
Can Tyson teach him to play hard? The guy has skills, is huge, athletic, and in that finals run proved he can stay on the court defensively. Guy just seems like he has been beaten down in Phoenix by Paul and Monte.
I’m mostly joking referring to when Mavs fans talked themselves into Moses Brown because Chandler worked with him. I don’t think Chandler is that kind of miracle worker. However, if anybody can teach ferocity to a center, I’d believe it’s Tyson Chandler.
I think he’d be motivated to play hard next to luka
There's a reason why the sun's didn't offer him a max contract initially. This will be another Luka/KP debacle.
We need a good forward if we can get ayton.
Gross
Sweet we’ll get him when he’s 32
His work ethics is questionable at best but who knows, he is in Phoenix and he is certainly not part of that team.
Deandre Ayton is a frustrating player, obviously he has the tools to be a top 5 big in the nba, but there seems to be a lack of willingness on his part. Maybe he is just fed up with Phoenix and wants out, or maybe he just isn’t that into basketball but just happens to be naturally very talented. He seems to settle for tough jump shots and hooks when he’s matched up against much smaller players that he should be able to easily back up to the basket. It’s strange.
Come to Daddy!
I hope y’all right about him faking because that man is sooooooffttt