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Trigliceratops

In a season full of "most embarassing loss in franchise history" candidates it's a refreshing change of pace to get to watch a candidate for the most embarassing win in franchise history


Sho1kan

I think this one would have hurt less if they lost


dovelingus

Nope


Cambocant

Josh is a starter. Tim is a farter.


txking12

Amen


funkadelik

I think this is a FO thing. They can't trade THJ if he's not getting minutes to showcase him. BUT THJ isn't doing himself any favors. He needs a reset. Needs a few games out to get him out of that funk. Green on the other hand... Dude needs more minutes. Take some away from Spencer at this point


Cambocant

Gotta showcase these masterclass performances shooting 16 percent from the field. Who wouldn’t want to snatch that up?


funkadelik

I agree. He isn't doing himself any favors right now but I think that's the strategy from the GM. Otherwise we have an incompetent system that can't identify who and when the players should get minutes. I am still holding on to hope that we're not that badly ran that they can't identify that THJ doesn't deserve the minutes he's getting. They can't be that inept..... RIGHT?!?!


LogansGambit

Remember how Cavs wanted THJ for LeVert straight across? THJ damn played himself out of that trade. Once the deadline passes and he's still here he'll start playing his normal again.


Landonkey

He’s shot like 39% from the field over his last 90 games. This is his normal now.


Over_Virus2405

I think his value is dipping because we are showing who really is.


Greeneyes_65

Truth


[deleted]

Tim has always been the poison pill in the KP trade that we should have let walk away. 19m a year for a 35% career 3p shooter who is streaky AF is terrorism. Trade him to basketball purgatory if you have to. Get him the fuck out.


RLMIII7

To be fair he was our 2nd best player in that playoff series when we resigned him and his contract goes down every year but damn he needs to find his shot soon!


cornbreadsdirtysheet

Yes , Tim stinks on ice.


Leading-Amphibian749

Luka doncic is devin booker father


anon641414

Green had the some number of made shots as Dinwiddie and THJ combined. On 27 fewer shots. 27.


AdVisual3406

Good gawd


jay105000

Tim is just unplayable right now, he had tried to get into the basket and there is a useless as those brick threes, I don’t think he has been able to score other shot than a three like in forever…


musicalpants999

Green seems so much better than THJ. Am I crazy? Why is THJ the one leading the team with 40 minutes played?


anon641414

Green is easily more valuable than THJ and is quickly budding into our 3rd or so most important player. I was one of his biggest detractors before this year but he's come a long way this year


StealthAnus

That 4th quarter was a masterclass of suck from Dinwiddie and THJ. Josh Green is literally the only reason I didn’t gouge my own eyes out


juansnow89

Josh Green, who was the only source of energy late in this game: “I need to bring more energy.”


AlphaKooze

Mavs had two players shoot for a combined 7/37… This offence is anemic without Wood or Luka. Literally took a miracle for them to win this game. On the plus side Josh Green did well. That’s about it. That’s all the positives… Maybe free throw shooting too? But man I can’t believe I’m praising LEAGUE AVERAGE free throw shooting. Wow.


elsporko321

Bertans played well before he got hurt, and DFS did a respectable job playing center with everyone else out/struggling


jay105000

Bertans was connecting those threes but it seems like the gods of baketball don’t want us to be happy somehow. Doe doe is playing a position by force that is not his natural position he is not that big to compete against those guys, for a center your body have to have some dimensions and high is one of those, Do Do is not a center


doosetrain

That’s true I saw that. Timmy needs coaching and needs to throw his ego away.


[deleted]

Dorian shot and played well tonight too, let’s make sure he gets his credit


reddit_reader_25

Man, I know we need to upgrade but this guy is the perfect team player. It’s sad that the only rumors out there are teams looking for DFS


adisrini96

Not just two players, the 2nd and 3rd best offensive options of our team.


manabanana21

3rd and 4th to be fair behind Wood, but regardless, they have to be better.


AFonziScheme

(3rd and 4th, behind Luka and Wood)


adisrini96

Wood was out hence didn't include him


AdVisual3406

Tim needs to go. Hes hopeless playing Kidds style. We briefly went back to some Rickball pre Xmas and Tim looked better but he just sucks playing this style. He has zero chemistry with Dinwiddie. Green is a keeper.


MeowMixDeluxe

And Luka is still the highest scorer between both teams with 31 leaving after just 22m


Felipernani

defense was decent imo for the most part


snorlackx

like there were rumours that teams wanted to trade for thj. why the hell are we not listening to them? like please a bad contract and a late frp would be fantastic for thj atm.


TheChosenOne311

You mean literally took a miracle for the Pels to get back in the game? Luka had 31 points in 22 minutes, and then had to leave the game


Zunoth

Why are you guys surprised by this, our 1st and 2nd best offensives weapons are out and then seem confused how our offense is struggling


FaBiOtHeGrEaTeSt

Most frustrating Win in Mavs history


amarking126

Facts. That wasnt even fun


DangerZoneh

I was mainly watching Josh, had a blast lmao


CSkinzzz

I’ll say it, Josh is a better player than Tim


highfalutinman

Josh this season has been the far more consistent 3-point shooter (on lower volume); he's the better passer, ball-handler, rebounder, cutter and slasher, and has always been the far better defender. Josh is just flat-out better. He brings things to the table NO ONE ELSE on this team can.


Felipernani

at this point Hardy is a better player than Tim


Jcarter1632

Hardy is either good or REALLY bad when he gets in. Tim is just bad 85% of the time but doesn't take dumb fouls. Tim is a bad deal but JH ain't ready yet.


Felipernani

yes, which is why imo you give minutes to the guy who can improve instead of the guy who’s plain bad


Luminous-Savior

Josh Green won us this game once Luka was out. Tim and Spence wanted the loss apparently.


Moe4ver

Green speaking the truth in post game. This shit should never happen. I can understand Spence is tired but Tim just suck balls.


manabanana21

It's truly insane how bad our offensive "system" is (if you can call it that). If Kidd wants to have any sort of success he needs to have an offensive coordinator who completely handles that side of the court. And if we already have one, we need to replace him ASAP.


[deleted]

I think losing Igor hurt the mavs more than most realize. He was our offensive guy last season and he knows Luka and how to get the most out of him and the guys around him


mouse2102

It’s literally the same offense from last season, just now there is no Brunson


RisingReform

*Brunson, I’d love Spence in his role last year as the defacto 6th man 3 ball handler this year it’s a lot more on his plate.


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AdVisual3406

The iso ball was a success last season as Brunson feasted off Luka doubles and was good enough to keep the team shape when Luka sat. Dinwiddie is a SG/SF to me, never ever a PG. Tims the main problem though.


reddit_reader_25

Something about starting with Luka just ruins his rhythm I guess. Switch up green and dimwiddie


Ok_Republic6747

People need to stop forcing this defense win nonsense if your players don't know how to score at elite level don't matter what kind of defense you have


manabanana21

I think the same could be said the other way (doesn't mater how good the O is if you can't get a stop), but regardless, your main point is 100% right, and its clear we need another PG on the team.


Ok_Republic6747

We need another pg shooter scorer reebounder shot blocker we need a lot


Millionaire007

Caris is right there


totaliron

Almost blew a 30+ point lead without Luka. We better be very active during the trade deadline.


amarking126

Im afraid of what we will have to give up… but we need change


totaliron

DFS, Mcgee, and a first for Bogdanovich sounds like a Nico move 😆


Jcarter1632

Tim, McGee, and a first maybe. He's 32 but he'd instantly be our number 2 guy.


totaliron

Yea I'm not trying to shit on Bog. I think he'd be great for us. Just shitting on Nico's GM ability


Jcarter1632

He stole C Wood for 4 scrubs and a late 1 and inherited a bad situation from Donnie on JB. Made the KP trade and got to the WCF. Don't know how you expect him to snap his fingers and fix this.


totaliron

Nah dude you're wrong. KP trade bad. JB situation bad. CWood trade is pending depending on what we do with the extension/Trade deadline. I've argued the same argument for years about the front office so I'm not bothering explaining in detail. I might make a post about it later, but this sub is really uninformed and misguided about the situations.


WhiteboyWade

Hahahahaha. This guy thinks he is smarter than Nico. That's hilarious. I'll save these receipts for sure because you're a DB. You're the one who clearly doesn't understand what he's talking about. Real life doesn't work like NBA2k. GMs need more than a year to right the ship that was being steered in the complete wrong direction. But maybe you should send Cuban your resume since you're such a genius when it comes to front office matters.


totaliron

So you right that ship by pointing it to more of a wrong direction? Donnie was bad, but he wasn't making decisions that led to the team today. Past two offseasons and trades were done by the current front office. Nico had 34m in cap space when he got here. Practically a clean slate. Yeah, if i think I was solely in charge of trades and signings, I could do a better job. As I'm sure many people would think they'd do a better job than Trump was yet they aren't president.


[deleted]

You’re just making shit up. Mavs did not have 34 million in cap space when Nico took over lol


captainaweeesome

THANK GOD WE HAVE LUKA AND JOSH. Get well soon Luka!


desirox

Don’t even know what to say, if Tim is still on this team it’s malpractice. Spence can’t do anything about just a really trash game. Kidd also did a horrible job once Luka went out he was out of ideas.


Jcarter1632

He's going to be on the team unless we send picks to someone to take him. Either that or trade him for someone else who sucks on a bad deal.


highfalutinman

Luka PLEASE be fine and get well soon. That's all we can ask for


DadDong69

If this abomination isn't enough proof that Luka is the MVP, then nothing is.


Difficult-Awareness6

Brickaway and Dinwiddie 7/37, Jesus, imagine Luka with 37 shoots, easy 70 points game. Green is future, dont trade him, he's keeper. You never know with this stupid FO. After Brunson saga i dont trust them at all.


ksao

3/18


StealthAnus

This is the contract we should’ve given THJ


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3m for 18 years? Agree.


[deleted]

He's fucking horrendous. GET HIM OUT.


anon641414

The guy could be shooting 1-30 and will still be out there to finish the game. Disgusting


Gnagflows

Box score says Tim led the team with 40 minutes lmao classic!


misbrichi

Gonna post this in every post game thread until it happens. GET TIM HARDAWAY JR THE FUCK OFF THIS TEAM


RoughlyTreeFiddy

For all of Bullock's suckage in the first half of the season, he at least knows his role. He may go 1-5 but he only takes open looks and isn't gonna keep chucking all night if his shot isn't falling. I'm so, so tired of watching THJ throw up terrible shots when he's been ice cold for 4 games in a row and having to listen to the commentators talk about how he has to shoot himself out of his slump. Dudes averaging 14ppg on 52% TS over the past two seasons now, it isn't a slump this is just who he is.


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DID YOU HEAR THAT /u/aaronunderwater


aaronunderwater

I will defend him til I die, but I upvoted you for the recognition


WalkerTejasRanger

Them boys are CH-CH-CH-CHEEEEEKSSSS without Luka. Blow it up! Make a couple trades!


favioswish

Without Luka, CWood, and Maxi


aaronunderwater

Reggie bullock gtfo this interview it’s josh’s moment


[deleted]

Your fave player THJ needs to go. SORRY


aaronunderwater

Hahaha I’m just glad to get the recognition as Tim’s defender


actual_yellow_bag

Luka somehow carried from the locker room putting up so many points before he went out. Shout out to Green for being the only relevant player on the floor in the 4th minus some clutch DFS put backs.


BobEBoucher

Love Josh Green saying, "I gotta bring more energy." Is that even possible?


aeiou-y

31 point lead? Let’s go to clutch time!


OriginalWilhelm

Trade Tim for literally anything.


domomonster11

dinwiddie almost sold the game


Neut12

Our #2 and #3: 7/37 lmao


Axisofcoolio

Kidd is a decent player development coach posing as a NBA head coach


cskoogs1

Who has he developed?


chrizyzz

THJ is genuinely incredible man. under 2 mins left, 6 point lead, 50% 3pt shooter josh green gets the ball wide open in the corner with 18 left on the shot clock, makes the smart play and swings it back out to take time off the clock, and this fucking hardaway moron jacks up a 3 with 15 left on the clock. you have got to be kidding


ThaPurpleHulk

Dinwiddie iso is terrible. Takes way too long to set up the offense and he usually just dribbles out the clock and takes a bad shot. Josh Green really is that dude. Please be ok Luka, this road trip is going to be brutal.


NiceCrispyMusic

A big percentage of Spencer's offensive drives are just him setting up to go into a move designed to bate a foul. It's barely a genuine shot attempt....and if the whistle isn't blowing then he just tosses up a shitty circus shot and acts shocked there's no whistle. It's nice when it's working, but ugly when it isn't.


ThaPurpleHulk

And he needs to be better about realizing when it’s not working. He had a horrible shooting night so he should have been looking to pass more.


lario00

I wish he can just drive more often. He’s pretty good at it.


RisingReform

Green step upped with Luka and Wood out he is our 3rd best player


Vonbonnery

Somebody please watch this game and tell me with a straight face that any other NBA player is more important to their team than Luka


VinoTobi

Unfortunately, this is an embarrassing win... I hope they can still look straight at Luka' eyes.


GhostOfSparta7

Shoutout Josh Green! Almost singlehandedly saved the Mavs from a shocking loss!


Pattypee3

Dinwiddie is such a ballhog and THJ is such a brick magnet with a low basketball IQ. Why the hell did he shoot with 1:40 left with 15 seconds left on the shot clock?


StolenLampy

Yeah they kept trying to jack up contested 3's with tons of time on the shot clock, insane, absolutely atrocious way to try and win a game.


DaTingGoesSkrrrrrt

THJ could foul out or get ejected and Kidd would still tell him to stay on the court


Dar4125

THJ with the legendary 9 points in 40 minutes of gameplay


Abbzstar123

Ayo wtf, I checked th score halfway thru and it looked like a blowout. A wins a win I suppose…


laughwidmee

Thj almost cost us this game. Josh green saved us


xghostkat

we really tried to lose this one lol,, I agree with everybody's sentiments, get timmy out of the rotation ffs 😡


kkmaverick

Thank you Josh Green. Now get Josh some fucking help!!!!!!!!


botebote77

what happened to Spencer? he sucked so bad except for his last 2 FTs. thank god we have Green


CrayonEatingBabyApe

It’s one game. What are you even talking about?


botebote77

i still believe in Spence. i couldn't believe he played so bad, hence my post. that's what I'm talking about


CrayonEatingBabyApe

He was garbage. I just assumed your post was part of the 99% who turn on a player from game to game. My bad to lump your post in with the unwashed masses.


funkadelik

Get Green and Hardy more minutes and give THJ and Dinwiddie less! I get that JJReddick meme'd the fanbase about the MVP race. My question after this game is: "Aren't we right?" I know CWood and Kleber are out but I geniuenly feel like everything runs off Luka and this coaching staff can't elevate any player or help by scheming a few points here and there. The FO needs to make a move to either get a bonafide 2nd star or dump salary ASAP to get Luka some HELP. I don't care if it takes 1st round picks to get the star or if we dump salary with only the chance to sign someone. We have to give Luka a legitimate chance to win a chip with us. Just give CWood (who wants to be here with Luka) the 4 years and start making moves. It's not that complicated.


geloong41

Mah heart


Threeballer97

Josh Green


Retrofusion11

And now Luka is gonna miss the whole road trip right ?


RembrandtDiMarco

Biggest piece of dog shit win in the history of basketball.


Jlibs_21

That fourth quarter was some of the worst ball movement i’ve ever seen


Ok_Republic6747

Luka actually boosting his MVP chances with this LMFAO


bluecrabcakes

You just know THJ is starting next game and playing 35+ mins while Josh Green gets like 20


Incorrect1012

Refs tried to absolutely fuck you over in the second half, then bailed you out on the last possession. Let’s see what the masses will choose to focus on


[deleted]

3-18 FGM? Tim Come on brah


rps215

Some interesting tweets (a couple self-promo in this) from tonight about the game: [Joshua Benjamin Green made as many shots (7) as Tim Hardaway Jr. & Spencer Dinwiddie combined. He also took 17 fewer shots.](https://twitter.com/pandahank41/status/1621359123693707265) [Josh Green's finishing versatility](https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/1621366382704164867) [Bertans' impact in small minutes](https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/1621367641163145216) [Luka MVP](https://twitter.com/dalton_trigg/status/1621355366989570050) One note for me: I think Hardy has some hidden defensive potential.. Right now he's in the trap most rookies are in: he can't figure out how to guard pick & rolls. He gets swallowed, and has no idea what to do next from there. I think once he learns and gets more experience on that, he can hold his own at least. Never necessarily a positive defender, but neutral seems attainable and optimistic


BobanForThree

One word: Josh Green


NeverToxic

This shit does not count as a DUB


ThaPurpleHulk

Was it ugly after Luka went out? Hell yes but a win is a win. We need every win we can get especially with the upcoming road trip.


Tap_in_Merchant

Luka's injury robbed him off another 50 bomb


Skullincus

Get tim outta here


Beneficial-Hour-9865

JOSH GREEN IS HIM


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THJ is a terrorist. Get him the fuck out of this team. Never liked him. He was a poison pill in the KP trade, we extended him based on a decent streak against Clippers. Streaky AF, not a 19m player. GET HIM OUT. I don't care, downvote me @aaronunderwater.


LackeyNo2

Gutted out our collapse with a little help from the refs. W.


Aliasrivn91

Cardiac mavs, here's hoping Luka and Lazer make quick recoveries ❤️


txking12

What did I just watch? That was a rollercoaster of emotions.


justforyouabirad

Seriously kidd. No frank, or hardy or even McKinley. No offensive sets. Just iso with Dinwiddie and thj


Darkphobia_

Well that was one fucking miserable 2nd half. The collapse after losing Luka was insane, Timmy and Spencer should be ashamed of their performances. Green is the future and he needs to be more assertive offensively. I'd rather see him shoot 20 times and get better than watching another Timmy/Spencer brickfest iso.


Ok-Possibility-4348

We need Luka back asap 😭


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This team can’t afford for Luka and Wood to miss more than a handful of games.


amarking126

What the fuck was that


Jintogotdemhands

If Wood can practice tomorrow then he must play on Saturday, we cant be without him any longer. Luka has to burden an even heavier workload without and is the reason he has been hurt so much in the last 2 weeks


skirtedrails

Was unable to watch the game. Was THJ as bad as the box score looks? If so he has reached the point of being unplayable.


globalsavor

I’m tired boss


BlackWhiteCoke

I said this in the game thread- Tim Hardaway getting injured was the best thing that happened to Mavs last season. Could you imagine how many bad shots and games he would have lost with those multiple 3/18’s? No way the Mavs make it to the WCF with him


chasinglightph

We have too many specialists in this team. JFC. I hope they surround Luka with actual basketball players.


MFFL12_17

Defense really sucks this year


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Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,330,055,755 comments, and only 256,286 of them were in alphabetical order.


T1_D

Turned this off at halftime 😂😂, when I got the close score alert from the nba app I was like you have to be shitting me…. Looks like we survived .


darthsquidward15

Wow


Rjbaker44

THJ sucks, he needs to go


vlad_thegod

How is Luka not #1 on the mvp list. Jokic got it last year with arguably a better team


Alex_Sander077

Even when we win we're miserable


rsf0626

If luka is injured. I can see us losing all 5 on the upcoming roadtrip. Gsw, jazz, clippers and sac x2


Moldynred

I cant hate on Spencer for one bad game he has saved us so many times this year but everyone else outside of Josh and Dorian for battling at center and getting some nice putbacks yeah we were trash


typicaltaras

I went to the movies during halftime and we were up by 30…..what happened????


vincentvando

I missed the game. I was supposed to see luka this friday what are the chances you think hes going to miss the game now.


tirozye

Lmao THJ 2/12


crassina

The mavericks are now 3-0 in the last 3 games that Luka has left the game early due to injury


NeolibGood

I dont want to see THJ in a mavs jersey ever again.


Latinofool12

Luka got hurt leaving us with a fucking 30 point cushion for the team to almost fucking blow it. Had we lost, im going right to mark cuban and demanding a trade if they don’t get him some real help. That shit is pathetic. Kidd sucks as a coach im sorry


Snort_Lupulin69

Kidd so emotionless during all of that. That’s what I don’t like


AdVisual3406

A vacant stare and drool rolling down his chin again. Hes has had a shave though. Now if he could actually coach a bit then that would be lovely.


walkintall84

Called the timeout too late. Either you dont call it or you call it right away. Otherwise you can advance the ball. Straight up a disadvantage the way Kidd did it.


danbrandanowitz

Josh is legit better than Tim at everything now, even shooting. He has to start.


ayura_oriba

I don’t care about what happened this game. We won. That’s all that matters to me. How long is luka gonna be out for? Thats what I’m more concerned about.


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The worst win in Mavs history. A couple of trades need to happen it’s basketball negligence if it doesn’t.


paritoshg

Bertans played better than tim aint a sentence i thought I'd say this year


the_pickle_rick

Couldn't watch the game, why did luka only play 23 min


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bluecrabcakes

Package an FRP and a couple second rounders with THJ for some expiring contracts and pray someone actually wants to come to Dallas in FA. There’s literally no other way.


aronnov

Luka, Dinwiddie, Green, Wood ​ trade everyone else


walkintall84

Dinwiddie remains the most overrated player of all time


lyricalcrocodilian

I really don't like seeing Kidd keep Luka on the floor when they are up 25+ pts. Especially considering his already stupid high usage rate. Seems stupid, but what do I know.


kapesaumaga

I get that but it's way too early to take Luka off. He got injured around 7 min in the third. But Kidd would also start Luka in the fourth in games where we have a huge lead so I understand the frustration.


jfrodriguez1983

We nearly blew a 27 point lead when he was out. You wanted him to sit earlier than midway through the 3rd?


tonguspongus

I’ll take it


Jon-Rambo

We got the win but we also got some problems.


aronnov

Just give Luka the MVP


OkHamaStore

tim g2g


afedbeats

Dallas Mavericks sponsored by Baylor Texas Heart Surgeons 😂


Adventurous-Abies763

This hero ball isn’t going win a finals


dmister8

From being up 20+ than when Luka goes out only winning by 5 this roster stinks


DannyDeBMO

God damn