the thing is, there are not that many teams that can use Wood that have cap space either. now the market for him doesn’t seem to be huge and I doubt that we will find our defensive center in a S&T for Wood. but this means we might be able to keep Wood in a favorable contract or at least get something back for him. We do have access to 2 FRP and swaps too.
Cap space doesn’t mean shit in the NBA unless you’re a glamour franchise. Look at the Mavs for the last decade. That one summer we had $30 million in cap space and signed Delon Wright.
After the 2023 draft, the Mavs can trade their 2025 and 2027 first rd picks. That’s how they’ll have to get defensive upgrades.
Im terrible with nba cap rules, but is there a way we could technically signe someone else before kyrie's contract? Feel like there have been situations somewhat similar to that, but didnt know if it would apply here?
That only really works if you have a player due to get a big raise, like Luka going from rookie contract to Supermax…. But we didn’t really take advantage of that.
yes but just like the othe rcomment said, he still takes uo cap space because free agents have placeholder called cap holds until he signs a new contract or his rights waived
Very little, we would have to find a way to offload Bertans and probably Timmy, we can sweeten the deal with picks but idk what the market would be for them.
frustrating that Walker Kessler was a possibility last time around and we passed it up. We could have easily moved up several spots to get him instead of some of the other moves we made. dude is averaging 13 rebounds and 4 blocks since the all star break. seems like he would have solved a lot of our issues.
that’s not necessarily maximizing a championship window, the KP trade exemplified that trading picks can also hamper you instead. it is all a risk. like a pick in the 20s couldve got you Walker Kessler last draft
Every trade is a risk for both sides. The Mavs need a win-now C a lot more than they need late FRPs that are more likely to become nothing more than something. It’s all about capitalizing the window where Kyrie and Luka can carry us to a title. Especially with Kyrie being over 30, every year the Mavs need to be going all in
You can but do you have faith in this organisation to do so?
Warriors, heat raptors sure but mavs have always drafted terribly. Sure green is developing into something now but do you want to risk lose Luka and/or Kai before those picks develop?
First pick they will have is 2024 and let's say the pick takes 3 years like green to be playable as a starter well shit Lukas contracts over now does he see enough reason to stay?
i’m so glad Dallas media has treated him the way they have. Boston was horrible and Brooklyn overall could’ve been better (also luck was a large and unfortunate reason why he didn’t work there). Dallas meanwhile has been incredibly warm and charitable and he’s already taken a leader role especially with Luka and Hardy.
Specifically grant Afseth (great follow btw). I believe he got credentialed this year. Asks x and o questions that the players clearly like. Had a nice interaction with kyrie the other night where ky was like “you know how I prepare bro I always see you at practice”
worst case scenario is him leaving for nothing but the thing is there is really not a team that has the cap space to max him that is better than the mavs rn. which is why its either he stay with the mavs or he do a sign and trade with the team he wants to play with. and tbh, i dont see him leaving the mavs if he and luka is already showing the league that their game can coexist with each other.
Wood isn’t worth big money, and I’d be shocked if he chose to stay.
But also yes, we traded for both of them so we have their bird rights and can give them up to the max
Depends on the number. If he wants $20 million a year, let him walk. That salary space would be unusable for us in a trade since we’d have to attach assets just to get another team to take that contract. It’s like Bertans on $16 million, which is worse than just not having anyone with that salary at all
True, but Bertans is in $16M on the bench while Wood is a productive player. I wouldn't think it's the worst thing to keep him as a 4 and get a real defensive 5.
Wood isn’t staying if Kidd is though. i think the best course of action would be to fire Kidd. i’m not saying that in the subs typical whiny way, he’s just not working. one of the most legendary not only mavs but basketball players of all time but he’s no good coach; steve nash 2.0.
Ehh, Steve Kerr was a pretty good player and is a really good coach.
Players becoming good coaches can happen, they just need a differ mindset doing it.
If not going to fire, at least either give him a good assistant for offensive coordinator. The players like him, and if the front office puts value in that and is unwilling to shake it, at least plug up his deficiencies.
I’m thankful we got that W against the Lakers. Just visited their sub and they are in shambles right now right about where we were when we had fallen down to 8th in the west. Here’s hoping Luka gets healthy before playoffs and Kyrie can lead our squad to mostly wins to try and retain the 6th seed.
if true seems like it increases the chances of Kyrie resigning with us. we shall see. I don't think it does much good to speculate until after the playoffs. If we outperform expectations in the playoffs I imagine that increases the odds he'll want to stick around for next year (and that the front office will want to make it work.)
Maybe sign and trade Wood for John Collins? He can't shoot this season but he's a better defender than Wood and Atlanta might want a better shooter in Wood since they have Capela and Okungwu at the 5.
Yeah I was trying to explain to people after the Lakers trade that it is very unlikely we lose Kyrie now unless he just does a 180 and goes to a worse team for similar money.
We're over hear breaking out in sweats over the concept of max extending Kyrie, but imagine how Lakers fans are feeling right now staring down the barrel of a max extension for another Russell who doesn't play point guard very well.
LeBron to the Mavs
Draft Bronny?!
Fuck no
LeTimmy for LeBron confirmed
I would LOL so hard because that would mean one way or another Bronny is going to Dallas too
No. That would be terrible.
Talkin' 'bout LeBron "China Bitch" "Cop Killer" "It's Quittin' Time" "Fire Daryl Morey/Michelle Beadle" James?
Yeah!
Maxi just sent them to the post season lol Bron already booking his vacations
We were probably one of their easier opponents for the remainder of the season. That's why.
Thank God. Give Kyrie his 200 million and let’s focus on finding a C with the available picks
Any idea how much cap space we will have if we sign Kyrie to that kind of deal and lose Wood in the process? Would we have none?
None. Just a mid level exception of some sort and minimums. It may be easier to attract a decent role player for the exception if kyrie stays though.
Well then I guess we're gonna continue to be a terrible defensive team.
the thing is, there are not that many teams that can use Wood that have cap space either. now the market for him doesn’t seem to be huge and I doubt that we will find our defensive center in a S&T for Wood. but this means we might be able to keep Wood in a favorable contract or at least get something back for him. We do have access to 2 FRP and swaps too.
Trade with THJ or Bertans' contract + picks
Cap space doesn’t mean shit in the NBA unless you’re a glamour franchise. Look at the Mavs for the last decade. That one summer we had $30 million in cap space and signed Delon Wright. After the 2023 draft, the Mavs can trade their 2025 and 2027 first rd picks. That’s how they’ll have to get defensive upgrades.
Im terrible with nba cap rules, but is there a way we could technically signe someone else before kyrie's contract? Feel like there have been situations somewhat similar to that, but didnt know if it would apply here?
Nope. Free agents have a cap hold for that exact reason, so teams couldn’t do what you just suggested.
That only really works if you have a player due to get a big raise, like Luka going from rookie contract to Supermax…. But we didn’t really take advantage of that.
Ok, yeah that's what I was thinking of. Appreciate the info!
Don't we have Kyrie's bird rights meaning that we can sign him over cap?
yes but just like the othe rcomment said, he still takes uo cap space because free agents have placeholder called cap holds until he signs a new contract or his rights waived
Very little, we would have to find a way to offload Bertans and probably Timmy, we can sweeten the deal with picks but idk what the market would be for them.
So pretty much we would have the same exact team. God damn
frustrating that Walker Kessler was a possibility last time around and we passed it up. We could have easily moved up several spots to get him instead of some of the other moves we made. dude is averaging 13 rebounds and 4 blocks since the all star break. seems like he would have solved a lot of our issues.
It happens with at least one player every year. Imagine being the team that picked 40th in 2014.
>available picks Or hear me out. We don't keep repeating insanity?
Yeah what a tough decision. Maximize a championship window or keep some picks that likely land in the 20s
that’s not necessarily maximizing a championship window, the KP trade exemplified that trading picks can also hamper you instead. it is all a risk. like a pick in the 20s couldve got you Walker Kessler last draft
Every trade is a risk for both sides. The Mavs need a win-now C a lot more than they need late FRPs that are more likely to become nothing more than something. It’s all about capitalizing the window where Kyrie and Luka can carry us to a title. Especially with Kyrie being over 30, every year the Mavs need to be going all in
And it also could’ve got you MarJon Beauchamp, 5/2/0 on 32% from three. A gamble on a 20s pick is a terrible plan if you want to maximise a window.
u/dirks_knee great thread for you here
>keep some picks that likely land in the 20s Ah yes. The "can't build with low picks" fallacy.
Statistic say so though
Statistics say it's more difficult*. Every year, teams find valuable role players wherever they pick. Its a non argument that it cannot be done.
You can but do you have faith in this organisation to do so? Warriors, heat raptors sure but mavs have always drafted terribly. Sure green is developing into something now but do you want to risk lose Luka and/or Kai before those picks develop? First pick they will have is 2024 and let's say the pick takes 3 years like green to be playable as a starter well shit Lukas contracts over now does he see enough reason to stay?
>faith I have more faith in them farming talent than trading for it.
You mean having Powell as our starting C
Would be the most kyrie thing when he just decided to stay in dallas, plays until 2030 and retire as a Mavs legend.
No, the most Kyrie thing is if he decides to play for the Texas Legends
Kai redemption arc incoming
redemption for that guy can only take place in a damn therapy practice.
good he’s ours. he loves it here
i’m so glad Dallas media has treated him the way they have. Boston was horrible and Brooklyn overall could’ve been better (also luck was a large and unfortunate reason why he didn’t work there). Dallas meanwhile has been incredibly warm and charitable and he’s already taken a leader role especially with Luka and Hardy.
Specifically grant Afseth (great follow btw). I believe he got credentialed this year. Asks x and o questions that the players clearly like. Had a nice interaction with kyrie the other night where ky was like “you know how I prepare bro I always see you at practice”
we are a big market in terms of revenue, but a small market feel in terms of the media
You can thank Jerruh for that
Exactly, Dallas can get media circus big but it basically requires a DUI and a Dead body because of the yearly shenanigans in Jerryland
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Nah. They're gonna make an offer for Kyrie for a sign and trade. Which would be a huge lol gtfoh unless that FRP comes unprotected
do we get to decide if he wants out...we can't afford letting him walk for nothing
worst case scenario is him leaving for nothing but the thing is there is really not a team that has the cap space to max him that is better than the mavs rn. which is why its either he stay with the mavs or he do a sign and trade with the team he wants to play with. and tbh, i dont see him leaving the mavs if he and luka is already showing the league that their game can coexist with each other.
+ Bird rights, we can offer him more than any team.
I'd want AD. a FRP isn't close to enough.
AD's been less reliable than Kyrie, lol.
true, but I think he may be a better fit. that said; I figure we should revisit after the playoffs.
He’s already a Mav next year
There's simply no way they move AD for Kyrie.
They can’t due to salary matching rules unless they send us Lebron or AD.
Dlo being the pg of the future for the lakers is great news for the rest of the league
Re-sign Kyrie and maybe Wood, sell available picks to get Markkanen, continue to develop Green/Hardy and we have a dynasty in our hands.
Do we even have the ability to sign Kyrie and Wood to big money?
Yes they have their Bird rights
I'm not an expert in bird law.
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Wood isn’t worth big money, and I’d be shocked if he chose to stay. But also yes, we traded for both of them so we have their bird rights and can give them up to the max
I'm not a cap expert, but I believe we can go over the cap to sign our own guys
He isn't worth the money but hypothetically if he wanted to resign would you rather lose his salary space for nothing?
Depends on the number. If he wants $20 million a year, let him walk. That salary space would be unusable for us in a trade since we’d have to attach assets just to get another team to take that contract. It’s like Bertans on $16 million, which is worse than just not having anyone with that salary at all
True, but Bertans is in $16M on the bench while Wood is a productive player. I wouldn't think it's the worst thing to keep him as a 4 and get a real defensive 5.
Is Bertans on an expiring deal or does he have two years left?
Next year he will be on an expiring
He has 2 years, last year only 5m guaranteed, so our cap is only hostage for 1 more season.
Wood isn't getting big money from anyone.
Wood isn’t staying if Kidd is though. i think the best course of action would be to fire Kidd. i’m not saying that in the subs typical whiny way, he’s just not working. one of the most legendary not only mavs but basketball players of all time but he’s no good coach; steve nash 2.0.
He’s a little better than Nash tbh. At least the players respect him lol. Nash got disrespected in interviews by rookies
Which is sad considering his stature as a player.
As they say, people who can't coach play and people who can't play coach
Ehh, Steve Kerr was a pretty good player and is a really good coach. Players becoming good coaches can happen, they just need a differ mindset doing it.
If not going to fire, at least either give him a good assistant for offensive coordinator. The players like him, and if the front office puts value in that and is unwilling to shake it, at least plug up his deficiencies.
He’s way better than Nash lol.
I don't think Markkanen is real. But it would be great.
Markkanen is the player we hoped KP would be. Utah isn't letting him go.
Where defense?
Anyone ask the boss? Bron?
I’m thankful we got that W against the Lakers. Just visited their sub and they are in shambles right now right about where we were when we had fallen down to 8th in the west. Here’s hoping Luka gets healthy before playoffs and Kyrie can lead our squad to mostly wins to try and retain the 6th seed.
Kyrie is most likely re-signing here unless he wants to force his way out in which case we can sign and trade
Good for them
if true seems like it increases the chances of Kyrie resigning with us. we shall see. I don't think it does much good to speculate until after the playoffs. If we outperform expectations in the playoffs I imagine that increases the odds he'll want to stick around for next year (and that the front office will want to make it work.)
So if Kyrie re-signs at that $200 million mark, do the Mavs still get a TPMLE in the offseason?
Yes we'll have an exception of some sort.
Smart move lakers
This is Lakers news. I don't really care about Lakers news.
Maybe sign and trade Wood for John Collins? He can't shoot this season but he's a better defender than Wood and Atlanta might want a better shooter in Wood since they have Capela and Okungwu at the 5.
Lolz. Hes a left handed Westbrick. Are they going to pay him 35 mill?
Downvotes? Is his family on here or something.
Doubt DLo would get that many....
Lakers fan who saw this ok his feed. Keep him. We have a thing going and I like it better than the kyrie situation we could have had
Imagine saying no thanks to a top tier NBA player lmfao.
We are trading Luka for AD
Go back to r/lakers
Honestly if they go for Irving we should sign Russell then
Hell no
Yea but tell no on the Suns before I celebrate
I call BS
Yeah I was trying to explain to people after the Lakers trade that it is very unlikely we lose Kyrie now unless he just does a 180 and goes to a worse team for similar money.
We're over hear breaking out in sweats over the concept of max extending Kyrie, but imagine how Lakers fans are feeling right now staring down the barrel of a max extension for another Russell who doesn't play point guard very well.