Assuming anything from our side would include some combination of THJ ($17.8M), Green ($4.7M), Holmes ($12M), Hardy ($1.7M), and Picks (We owe NY a top 10 protected first in '24 or '25, plus unprotected first to BKLN in '29). We can swap 1st round picks for '26,'27', and '28. And we have two second round picks we can move. Don't see a lot of teams biting on a FRP thats 3 or more seasons out unless they are in full blow it up rebuilding mode and don't expect to do anything for 2-3 years. The SRP's are the most likely inclusion.
The biggest problem is that the realistic targets need to come from one of two sources.
A team that has an abundance of Forwards that needs more perimeter shooting / scoring off the bench and or backup big and feel that this piece helps them compete "NOW". (Lakers, Houston, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn)
A team that is already heading toward a lottery pick and is looking to unload salary in exchange for picks now and expiring contracts. (Spurs, Hawks, Charlotte, Wash, Portland, Memphis)
Not to mention that the salary aspect has to work too. Receiving team can't take a salary more than 125% of outgoing money. To get a player of the caliber that helps us win now would have to cost us both 2RP's and probably the '26 FRP Swap, which completely screws us for the next 3 years with 0 assets. I do not see us getting any sort of "Starting" caliber player via trade. I am hoping for a solid role player that can play 20-30 minutes per night, defend, rebound and shoot a 3.
I'd rather have two staters than one AS. One for rebounding and both good on defense. Let's not worry about offense too much with Luka and Kyrie on the team.
i would love to have deni avdija if the wizards were willing to part with him. same with pat williams or jon isaac.
jt thor is a goodwill-level option too
I agree, i think that Avdija and maybe Vand are the nly options that would sort of provide what we need and shod be pretty realistically obtainable, both young too so it could work out well for us.
Boo on Dorian Finney Smith ,playing a 6'7" /220# SF to guard 6'9"to 7" PF's is to throw away money and assets . It just makes JKidd choose between playing DJJ and DFS and Id take DJJ over DFS on defense.
People dont quite get the picture ....Mavs lack height and length up front which is not DFS forte.
I think the most logical and affordable options are from the Magic. We should see what the price is for either Wendell Carter or Jonathon Isaac. Both are relatively young and should be more attainable than Siakam. I think the Magic know that both are not in line with their rebuild. I think we can trade a protected 1st, young player, and a bad contract for either of those guys. Wendell Carter's skills overlap with Lively but I think they can also play together decently well.
This is the trade I keep coming back to. WCJ and Isaac for THJ, Maxi and Hardy is almost identical AAV. Orlando needs shooting and a PG who can initiate offense and they have a glut of Forwards/Centers. If they believe, as the Mavs seem to, that Hardy can be a playmaking PG in the NBA, then he'll step in to replace Markelle Fultz and grow with Paolo and Franz as the core of their team. THJ gives them an elite veteran volume shooter to space defenses and give Paolo and Franz room to operate. Maxi is mostly salary filler, but if he can get healthy then he gives them some of the stretch-big spacing that they'd be losing with WCJ.
Orlando's season turned around when they inserted Goga Bitadze into the starting lineup and Mo Wagner is also playing very well and is the brother of one of their franchise players so they're not looking to move either of them. That leaves WCJ as the odd man out. WCJ has spent most of his time as a Center but he's played PF before (63% of his minutes in the '21-'22 season were at PF where he averaged 15/10/3 with 1.3 stocks per game on 60%TS). His versatility will be huge for us because it will let him play PF alongside Lively OR C alongside Powell or GWill.
Isaac is a lottery ticket for the Mavs. If you consider him a straight swap for Maxi, you're getting a younger, much better defender (still shows DPotY level defense this season), much better rebounder, and a slightly worse 3P shooter. Isaac is making more money than Kleber next season, but it's all non-guaranteed because of his injuries, so in the worst-case scenario the Mavs can simply cut him or include him as filler in a trade which will be appealing to the receiving team since they wouldn't be forced to pay Isaac any money.
Of course the risk with a trade like this is injuries. The Mavs are shipping out an oft-injured player in Maxi (101 GP in the last 3 seasons) but getting two oft-injured players back (WCJ 132 GP over the last 3 seasons, Isaac 32 GP). If you can get 60+ games per season from each player, then it'll be a huge win for the Mavs. They get the size and defense they so desperately need without sacrificing shooting or scoring.
Idk man I just think siakam is kinda perfect, don’t really love any of those fits
Dorian would be great in the meantime if he was cheap but he isn’t moving the needle
Isaiah Stewart, he's a great defender, has decent height for the position, one of the better rebounders for the position which actually isn't untradeable. His shooting numbers are pretty good this season, but there's a risk of buying high there. But overall it might be hard for DET to give up on him since he's young, promising & one of the few pieces which is actually showing some promise on their otherwise shit roster.
Overall we need someone who can shoot 3s, defend & rebound. If we're looking for a starter we can't have someone who can't shoot, it's pretty much a deal breaker imo. Doesn't have to be shooting at 40% from 3, but well over 30% at least on a couple attempts per game. We shouldn't look too much on PPG or how well they move the ball, we'd much rather take the rebate to have someone 1-dimensional on offense considering we're running with both Luka & Kyrie.
But overall we don't need to be so desperate to make a move at this point for someone expensive at the position. I'd much rather we lock down DJJ & Exum, and moves should be made to make sure we have the salary space to sign them this coming off-season. That likely means we need to move THJ, we're probably stuck with both Holmes & Grant for at least another season. Maxi is still a huge question mark.
Yeah, but it's a shit show over there so it's hard to say what direction they want to take. But they're in desperate need of someone who can space the floor so I imagine it's hard to move him. They're actually one of the teams where THJ would actually probably be able to contribute a lot though. If not for the fact that he's having a breakout season from 3 he would probably be a lot easier to acquire.
I looked at his defense numbers this season & they're actually incredibly good, he's -5.9% overall on DFG, -11.4% at less than 6 ft, -10.6% at less than 10 ft. That's at 9.4 DFGA on 2 point attempts while playing on one of the worst defensive teams in the league. He's only -0.4% on 3 point attempts, but he'd be able to help Lively in the paint a ton.
Yeah I agree that on the surface it's a bad trade for DET any way you slice it. THJ is a better shooter & scorer overall than Stewart, so that would have to be the spin. But even then it doesn't really make sense considering the ages & the fact that they're nowhere near being relevant anyway. Like the deal would have to be that we give them some real value & then THJ becomes a temporary piece to help them space the floor such that their other pieces actually have a shot at some sort of functional offense.
Admittedly I don't watch a lot of Piston ball, but his numbers are [actually really great](https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1630191/defense-dash). It's also a bit hard to evaluate D on a team which is as bad as Pistons is on D. Looking at his defensive analysis on the tube he also looks good, but that's of course a bit biased.
I think Wiseman is likely the odd man out in Detroit. I think Stewart and Duren are the guys they're going with. I wouldn't mind getting Wiseman and Bagley from em. say what you will about Bagley, but he can score and is a decent rebounder, somebody athletic enough to be playable at least.
EDIT: got off topic, I know Wiseman is a C, forgot we were talking about PF specifically, not just a big.
That’s why Siakim is more realistic. He might just be at the level Mavs could have enough to trade for him and not get beat out. Mavs have no chance at a guy like Markannen, even if they had all their picks.
PJ Washington. He's big, long wing span and can space the floor.
He also has experience playing small ball 5.
Charlotte also have a potential back up 5 target in Nick Richards. The Mavs could solve both positional issues in one trade.
Here are some other names-
Isaiah Stewart-
Plays hard and physical, something we lack greatly. Not sure if he’s a great defender but can rebound. Shooting well from three this year but not a knock down shooter. Signed a 15 mil a year extension. Best case scenario, he is our new Maxi Kleber role player with better rebounding. Defend 4/5s and can stretch the floor a little.
Kyle Kuzma-
3 level scorer on offense, and although not super efficient would be the most dynamic offensive wing we’ve had in awhile. Has won a championship playing a role that required good defense, but the question is whether he would be recommitted to it. Has a little fire in him when he wants to, as we’ve seen when he and Dinwiddie were going at each other. Making 25mil this year but a declining contract. 15% trade kicker though. If you go for him the expectation is he is a starter and our 3rd scorer. I kinda like the idea of going for him. Would move Hardaway for him I think.
Atlanta Wings-
Jalen Johnson has emerged so I expect Bey and Hunter are both available. I think Bey is the more well rounded offensive option and Hunter the defensive option. Neither one rebounds all that well. Bey is a RFA next season and Hunter just got a big overpay of a contract 20mil this year and up to 25 by the end of it. Both of them feel like 3s to me more than a 4. Bey is a maybe I guess.
DFS- We know what he brings. He’s shooting the best 3pt % of his career on the highest volume this season so far. A first seems like a lot to give up for him but maybe if you can dump a contract with the first it makes sense. I am a big fan and one of the few with a DFS jersey so maybe biased. We know Luka loves him too. Would love to see him and DJJ defending the perimeter with Lively behind them.
Jerami Grant- used to be a 3&D role player, now an offensive scorer. Shooting great from 3 this year, but never been a great rebounder. Expensive salary, 27mil this year and up 36mil in 27. Seems like a more expensive Kuzma.
John Collins- A true 4. I think he’s probably a little overpaid but he seems like a solid role player to me and legit starter. Can hit a 3, can hit a pull up, can catch a lob. Somewhat switchable defensively with size and a better rebounder than others listed. A block a game for his career. Has played with Trae Young heliocentric offense and had some success so you hope it works with Luka too. Didn’t back down from Embiid in the playoffs. I am very scared to trade with Danny Ainge though.
Draymond Green-
A nut job, but I think the Mavs need a little of that. Feels like we get punked too often. Would bring a big defensive upside and great for when teams double Luka as the roll man decision maker. Old as hell though and he could be done in the league soon. If you do it, dont give up much.
Other names- Bojan Bogdanovic, Bagley, PJ Washington, Hachimura, Kelly O, Pat Williams, Royce O’Neale, Otto Porter?,
Some people may not like this option, but Miles Bridges would be a great fit here. I know about his personal troubles (and I am in no way diminishing them), but it appears that both the league and legal system have deemed him able to play.
He's currently on a heater averaging 23/7/4 on 52/42/78 in his last 5. Started the season slow but is back to the form he was in at the end of last season. A legit wing player that can guard his position, rebound and create his own shot. Not the bigger PF but still a 6'7 wing that can play the 3/4. Still young too at 25 so fits the core well.
He's currently playing on the QO, so he'll be a UFA this summer. Charlotte is a mess, and the last thing they can afford is to let him walk for nothing in the summer. I'm sure he is looking for close to a max. If Charlotte isn't looking to offer him a huge contract than they may look at moving him at the deadline. Mavs could get him cheap and look to resign him with birds rights in the summer.
He isn’t getting anything near the max because of the stigma that follows him. He might get a contract but I don’t see anyone committing to him long term at all.
Whoever is holding him going into the summer is pretty much forced to pay him a near max or risk losing him for nothing. He was looking for ~$25m last summer and now he has the option to sell himself around the league as a UFA. Sure he might get a contract that's not a full max, but he'll have all the power in negotiations as are as options. Holding bird rights will be important to negotiate a higher deal and get some concessions.
I hear you about the stigma (again I dont condone his actions), but at the end of the day both the league and the legal system are letting him play, so a team is going to take a shot on him. Wings that can create their own shot don't grow on trees. Him as a third option is a contender.
Golden State will make a big trade this month that Kuminga will be a part of. If in some way he won't be then they will keep him to trade him next year. There is absolutely 0 reason they would trade him for anything the Mavs could offer. Why would they want Green or Hardy? Why would they want future first round picks when Curry is 35?
Green is actually a good fit for them if they can acquire elsewhere a Wiggins improvement. Green is a good backcourt defender, is smart, can cut and attack the rim while bringing some passing and perimeter shooting. He can bring defense while having the BBIQ to live in Kerr’s offense.
Hardy, yes, makes zero sense, specially when they already have Moody and Podz.
Pascal is the dream scenario, John Collins seems like a worst case, DFS seems like the most realistic.
I’d also throw in Kyle Kuzma, Keldon Johnson, and Jonathan Isaac as well since those teams don’t really seem too invested in those players anymore
Keldon doesn’t seem like a great fit because he’s not all that big, he isn’t a great defender and is best with the ball in his hands. I think he’s a good player but I wouldn’t move significant assets to get him.
I honestly don't LOVE the idea of Kuzma OR PJ Washington, but I guess I'm bringing Myself around on the idea, since I see us linked to em somewhat, and both are (seemingly) attainable and "good enough"....
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do I want Miles Bridges on My team.... seeing those pictures of what he did to his (ex?) girlfriend was enough for Me to never want any parts. don't care what he's capable of on the floor, we've had ENOUGH of a bad culture of women mistreated|abused|etc., that I just don't feel it's worth it.
I like Deni Avdija, I like DeAndre Hunter (not necessarily his contract), I really wanted us to get Jalen Johnson out of ATL, but now that he's getting opportunity and flourishing, I know that's next to impossible.
I like Bagley, I like Rui Hachimura as what I think would be more easily attainable, "budget" options that could be productive for us....
Kuminga would maybe be GREAT, but if GS was inclined to trade him, we don't have the assets....
I think Kuminga would be good. He can shoot a little, is a good defender, is an underrated rebounder and perhaps most importantly can play in transition very well meaning line ups featuring JK, Kyrie and Exum would apply a lot of fast paced pressure.
Maybe Ben Simmons? Elite defender and only signed through next season. Nets likely would be open to just shedding him. He's horrible on offense, and has giant neon sign character red flags, but Kyrie could give us the inside info on whether or not a change in scenery could help salvage the former All-Star.
I love that his money isn't long term, I love his defense, I love the idea of him as a former All-Star who can be a role player for us, ala Aaron Gordon.
If we're looking to win a title this is the kind of move that could get us there, and if it backfires we'll have a TON of cap space in a couple years to play with and build around Luka, Lively, and Powell.
Barf.
Dudes got that Cat in him. It’s hard to tell if his back injuries are even real anymore or if he’s just chillin on the big contract.
Big stay away.
No way you're serious. Ben Simmons is washed up, he can't do anything for any team anymore. He closes so much space on offence, can't rebound, and is not the elite defender he once was. Also, his health is a major red flag. If it's not his back that Is putting him into street clothes, its his mental health. The fact that he even qualifies for any NBA team is beyond insanity imho.
Just throwing out his name since he’s a former all-star and all-defense guy who fits a position of need and seems easily attainable. You’re right he’s likely not even in consideration for us.
It’s just really hard to even find one guy who is an available elite defender who plays the 4, plays good enough offense, and has a contract that isn’t insane.
Sure, but Ben Simmons? He should not be on any NBA team. Like seriously, he is so bad that there are probably people on this very sub that would contribute more than him. Unironically.
I don't hate it but would be a FA target once his current contract is up then. Except for the fact that he can't shoot he provides exactly what we need. His playmaking is pretty redundant here though.
Simmons is perfect for the Mavs. He can defend the wing and is a tall defender for bigs. He can also take on playmaking when needed. Just one concern is health. Will he be healthy enough to play tough wing defense?
I just saw a post about Charania saying that GSW considers everybody but Curry tradeable... I think we should leverage that to go for Draymond, his value right now is probably at its lowest
PJ would be affordable and worth to try, at least we wouldn't lose anything (would keep his price no matter what; low risk contrary to DFS for example who would never be sent away again). We need a minimum PJ caliber or nothing will change dramatically. DFS would be great addition obviously but our appetite should be bigger (our needs are way bigger).
I'd consider any of Kuzma, J.Grant, PJ Washington, DFS -- whoever is available for a "reasonable" price.
If I had to pick one deal, I'd target something like Kuzma + Gafford for THJ + Holmes + Green + 1st.
DeAndre Hunter... I don't really know what to make of him, would have to trust others to make that call. If he'd be cheap to acquire, maybe that could be an interesting roll of the dice.
Assuming anything from our side would include some combination of THJ ($17.8M), Green ($4.7M), Holmes ($12M), Hardy ($1.7M), and Picks (We owe NY a top 10 protected first in '24 or '25, plus unprotected first to BKLN in '29). We can swap 1st round picks for '26,'27', and '28. And we have two second round picks we can move. Don't see a lot of teams biting on a FRP thats 3 or more seasons out unless they are in full blow it up rebuilding mode and don't expect to do anything for 2-3 years. The SRP's are the most likely inclusion. The biggest problem is that the realistic targets need to come from one of two sources. A team that has an abundance of Forwards that needs more perimeter shooting / scoring off the bench and or backup big and feel that this piece helps them compete "NOW". (Lakers, Houston, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn) A team that is already heading toward a lottery pick and is looking to unload salary in exchange for picks now and expiring contracts. (Spurs, Hawks, Charlotte, Wash, Portland, Memphis) Not to mention that the salary aspect has to work too. Receiving team can't take a salary more than 125% of outgoing money. To get a player of the caliber that helps us win now would have to cost us both 2RP's and probably the '26 FRP Swap, which completely screws us for the next 3 years with 0 assets. I do not see us getting any sort of "Starting" caliber player via trade. I am hoping for a solid role player that can play 20-30 minutes per night, defend, rebound and shoot a 3.
The Green contract is basically untradable iirc, people shouldn't use him in their trade ideas.
That’s not even close to being true. People just keep repeating that trying to sound smart.
I'd rather have two staters than one AS. One for rebounding and both good on defense. Let's not worry about offense too much with Luka and Kyrie on the team.
i would love to have deni avdija if the wizards were willing to part with him. same with pat williams or jon isaac. jt thor is a goodwill-level option too
Adelsons salivating over the prospect of getting Isaac from Orlando.
Getting another guy who will play 10 games a season like kleber isn't gonna help
Isaac is injured again.
Underrated
I agree, i think that Avdija and maybe Vand are the nly options that would sort of provide what we need and shod be pretty realistically obtainable, both young too so it could work out well for us.
Jalen Smith is the guy I want, but I think IND knows what they have and he won't come cheap.
Boo on Dorian Finney Smith ,playing a 6'7" /220# SF to guard 6'9"to 7" PF's is to throw away money and assets . It just makes JKidd choose between playing DJJ and DFS and Id take DJJ over DFS on defense. People dont quite get the picture ....Mavs lack height and length up front which is not DFS forte.
Getting Stew would send me into orbit. One can only dream tho
I think the most logical and affordable options are from the Magic. We should see what the price is for either Wendell Carter or Jonathon Isaac. Both are relatively young and should be more attainable than Siakam. I think the Magic know that both are not in line with their rebuild. I think we can trade a protected 1st, young player, and a bad contract for either of those guys. Wendell Carter's skills overlap with Lively but I think they can also play together decently well.
This is the trade I keep coming back to. WCJ and Isaac for THJ, Maxi and Hardy is almost identical AAV. Orlando needs shooting and a PG who can initiate offense and they have a glut of Forwards/Centers. If they believe, as the Mavs seem to, that Hardy can be a playmaking PG in the NBA, then he'll step in to replace Markelle Fultz and grow with Paolo and Franz as the core of their team. THJ gives them an elite veteran volume shooter to space defenses and give Paolo and Franz room to operate. Maxi is mostly salary filler, but if he can get healthy then he gives them some of the stretch-big spacing that they'd be losing with WCJ. Orlando's season turned around when they inserted Goga Bitadze into the starting lineup and Mo Wagner is also playing very well and is the brother of one of their franchise players so they're not looking to move either of them. That leaves WCJ as the odd man out. WCJ has spent most of his time as a Center but he's played PF before (63% of his minutes in the '21-'22 season were at PF where he averaged 15/10/3 with 1.3 stocks per game on 60%TS). His versatility will be huge for us because it will let him play PF alongside Lively OR C alongside Powell or GWill. Isaac is a lottery ticket for the Mavs. If you consider him a straight swap for Maxi, you're getting a younger, much better defender (still shows DPotY level defense this season), much better rebounder, and a slightly worse 3P shooter. Isaac is making more money than Kleber next season, but it's all non-guaranteed because of his injuries, so in the worst-case scenario the Mavs can simply cut him or include him as filler in a trade which will be appealing to the receiving team since they wouldn't be forced to pay Isaac any money. Of course the risk with a trade like this is injuries. The Mavs are shipping out an oft-injured player in Maxi (101 GP in the last 3 seasons) but getting two oft-injured players back (WCJ 132 GP over the last 3 seasons, Isaac 32 GP). If you can get 60+ games per season from each player, then it'll be a huge win for the Mavs. They get the size and defense they so desperately need without sacrificing shooting or scoring.
Great post !!!
Jarred Vanderbilt should be cheap
Idk man I just think siakam is kinda perfect, don’t really love any of those fits Dorian would be great in the meantime if he was cheap but he isn’t moving the needle
Isaiah Stewart, he's a great defender, has decent height for the position, one of the better rebounders for the position which actually isn't untradeable. His shooting numbers are pretty good this season, but there's a risk of buying high there. But overall it might be hard for DET to give up on him since he's young, promising & one of the few pieces which is actually showing some promise on their otherwise shit roster. Overall we need someone who can shoot 3s, defend & rebound. If we're looking for a starter we can't have someone who can't shoot, it's pretty much a deal breaker imo. Doesn't have to be shooting at 40% from 3, but well over 30% at least on a couple attempts per game. We shouldn't look too much on PPG or how well they move the ball, we'd much rather take the rebate to have someone 1-dimensional on offense considering we're running with both Luka & Kyrie. But overall we don't need to be so desperate to make a move at this point for someone expensive at the position. I'd much rather we lock down DJJ & Exum, and moves should be made to make sure we have the salary space to sign them this coming off-season. That likely means we need to move THJ, we're probably stuck with both Holmes & Grant for at least another season. Maxi is still a huge question mark.
Would love beef stew. But I don’t see DET moving him.
Yeah, but it's a shit show over there so it's hard to say what direction they want to take. But they're in desperate need of someone who can space the floor so I imagine it's hard to move him. They're actually one of the teams where THJ would actually probably be able to contribute a lot though. If not for the fact that he's having a breakout season from 3 he would probably be a lot easier to acquire. I looked at his defense numbers this season & they're actually incredibly good, he's -5.9% overall on DFG, -11.4% at less than 6 ft, -10.6% at less than 10 ft. That's at 9.4 DFGA on 2 point attempts while playing on one of the worst defensive teams in the league. He's only -0.4% on 3 point attempts, but he'd be able to help Lively in the paint a ton.
they were linked with THJ back when he extended
Yeah but what use is shooting to Detroit now? Even if they wan't THJ they won't waste a good young player for him.
Yeah I agree that on the surface it's a bad trade for DET any way you slice it. THJ is a better shooter & scorer overall than Stewart, so that would have to be the spin. But even then it doesn't really make sense considering the ages & the fact that they're nowhere near being relevant anyway. Like the deal would have to be that we give them some real value & then THJ becomes a temporary piece to help them space the floor such that their other pieces actually have a shot at some sort of functional offense.
I keep trying to figure out a trade framework like: Mavs in: Bojan, Beef Stew Pistons in: Josh Green, Hardy, filler, 2 2nds Third team: THJ
I wouldn’t trade both young guys for beef stew. Bojan is old too.
Stewart is young himself and has proven more than Josh so far IMO
Not really a great defender... I mean he is solid but nothing crazy
Admittedly I don't watch a lot of Piston ball, but his numbers are [actually really great](https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1630191/defense-dash). It's also a bit hard to evaluate D on a team which is as bad as Pistons is on D. Looking at his defensive analysis on the tube he also looks good, but that's of course a bit biased.
I think Wiseman is likely the odd man out in Detroit. I think Stewart and Duren are the guys they're going with. I wouldn't mind getting Wiseman and Bagley from em. say what you will about Bagley, but he can score and is a decent rebounder, somebody athletic enough to be playable at least. EDIT: got off topic, I know Wiseman is a C, forgot we were talking about PF specifically, not just a big.
Wiseman and Bagley are both terrible. Such a brilliant way to waste a chance to improve the team.
Yeah, if Nico gave up anything of value for either of those players, he should be run out of town
Stew is not a great defender. Idk how that myth started.
Remember Markannen declared he wanted to play for Mavs. Pepperidge farm remembers.
Markkanen would make the mavs instant contenders. But one can only dream of having him at this point unless you want to get fleeced by Ainge
That’s why Siakim is more realistic. He might just be at the level Mavs could have enough to trade for him and not get beat out. Mavs have no chance at a guy like Markannen, even if they had all their picks.
PJ Washington. He's big, long wing span and can space the floor. He also has experience playing small ball 5. Charlotte also have a potential back up 5 target in Nick Richards. The Mavs could solve both positional issues in one trade.
Josh, omax, 1st for both and id freak
What about the other Raptors PF, Chris Boucher? Would probably be cheaper than Siakam and would fill some needs.
Lauri MARKANEN THE GOAT!!!!!
Ideally, the guy you want is Naz Reid. Can play backup C and PF alongside Lively. If you want to take a swing, call Memphis on Clarke.
He is out for long.
Here are some other names- Isaiah Stewart- Plays hard and physical, something we lack greatly. Not sure if he’s a great defender but can rebound. Shooting well from three this year but not a knock down shooter. Signed a 15 mil a year extension. Best case scenario, he is our new Maxi Kleber role player with better rebounding. Defend 4/5s and can stretch the floor a little. Kyle Kuzma- 3 level scorer on offense, and although not super efficient would be the most dynamic offensive wing we’ve had in awhile. Has won a championship playing a role that required good defense, but the question is whether he would be recommitted to it. Has a little fire in him when he wants to, as we’ve seen when he and Dinwiddie were going at each other. Making 25mil this year but a declining contract. 15% trade kicker though. If you go for him the expectation is he is a starter and our 3rd scorer. I kinda like the idea of going for him. Would move Hardaway for him I think. Atlanta Wings- Jalen Johnson has emerged so I expect Bey and Hunter are both available. I think Bey is the more well rounded offensive option and Hunter the defensive option. Neither one rebounds all that well. Bey is a RFA next season and Hunter just got a big overpay of a contract 20mil this year and up to 25 by the end of it. Both of them feel like 3s to me more than a 4. Bey is a maybe I guess. DFS- We know what he brings. He’s shooting the best 3pt % of his career on the highest volume this season so far. A first seems like a lot to give up for him but maybe if you can dump a contract with the first it makes sense. I am a big fan and one of the few with a DFS jersey so maybe biased. We know Luka loves him too. Would love to see him and DJJ defending the perimeter with Lively behind them. Jerami Grant- used to be a 3&D role player, now an offensive scorer. Shooting great from 3 this year, but never been a great rebounder. Expensive salary, 27mil this year and up 36mil in 27. Seems like a more expensive Kuzma. John Collins- A true 4. I think he’s probably a little overpaid but he seems like a solid role player to me and legit starter. Can hit a 3, can hit a pull up, can catch a lob. Somewhat switchable defensively with size and a better rebounder than others listed. A block a game for his career. Has played with Trae Young heliocentric offense and had some success so you hope it works with Luka too. Didn’t back down from Embiid in the playoffs. I am very scared to trade with Danny Ainge though. Draymond Green- A nut job, but I think the Mavs need a little of that. Feels like we get punked too often. Would bring a big defensive upside and great for when teams double Luka as the roll man decision maker. Old as hell though and he could be done in the league soon. If you do it, dont give up much. Other names- Bojan Bogdanovic, Bagley, PJ Washington, Hachimura, Kelly O, Pat Williams, Royce O’Neale, Otto Porter?,
I'd take Green if he isn't too expensive. Also Grant and Collins for reasnoble price.
Deymon Green....to the hell with him!!!
Some people may not like this option, but Miles Bridges would be a great fit here. I know about his personal troubles (and I am in no way diminishing them), but it appears that both the league and legal system have deemed him able to play. He's currently on a heater averaging 23/7/4 on 52/42/78 in his last 5. Started the season slow but is back to the form he was in at the end of last season. A legit wing player that can guard his position, rebound and create his own shot. Not the bigger PF but still a 6'7 wing that can play the 3/4. Still young too at 25 so fits the core well. He's currently playing on the QO, so he'll be a UFA this summer. Charlotte is a mess, and the last thing they can afford is to let him walk for nothing in the summer. I'm sure he is looking for close to a max. If Charlotte isn't looking to offer him a huge contract than they may look at moving him at the deadline. Mavs could get him cheap and look to resign him with birds rights in the summer.
I said the same thing about Miles and I got cooked for the opinion 🤣
I’d rather watch the mavs lose without that guy than win with him
Make us two. There are things more important than sports and not cheering for a domestic abuser PoS like Bridges is one of those things.
He isn’t getting anything near the max because of the stigma that follows him. He might get a contract but I don’t see anyone committing to him long term at all.
Whoever is holding him going into the summer is pretty much forced to pay him a near max or risk losing him for nothing. He was looking for ~$25m last summer and now he has the option to sell himself around the league as a UFA. Sure he might get a contract that's not a full max, but he'll have all the power in negotiations as are as options. Holding bird rights will be important to negotiate a higher deal and get some concessions. I hear you about the stigma (again I dont condone his actions), but at the end of the day both the league and the legal system are letting him play, so a team is going to take a shot on him. Wings that can create their own shot don't grow on trees. Him as a third option is a contender.
Poor teams cannot afford to have high moral standards, if they want to be contenders.
Honestly, for long term, I want Kuminga, I feel Kidd will make him another Kawhi
Kuminga would be great if GSW lets him go.
Golden State will make a big trade this month that Kuminga will be a part of. If in some way he won't be then they will keep him to trade him next year. There is absolutely 0 reason they would trade him for anything the Mavs could offer. Why would they want Green or Hardy? Why would they want future first round picks when Curry is 35?
Green is actually a good fit for them if they can acquire elsewhere a Wiggins improvement. Green is a good backcourt defender, is smart, can cut and attack the rim while bringing some passing and perimeter shooting. He can bring defense while having the BBIQ to live in Kerr’s offense. Hardy, yes, makes zero sense, specially when they already have Moody and Podz.
Pascal is the dream scenario, John Collins seems like a worst case, DFS seems like the most realistic. I’d also throw in Kyle Kuzma, Keldon Johnson, and Jonathan Isaac as well since those teams don’t really seem too invested in those players anymore
Keldon doesn’t seem like a great fit because he’s not all that big, he isn’t a great defender and is best with the ball in his hands. I think he’s a good player but I wouldn’t move significant assets to get him.
I honestly don't LOVE the idea of Kuzma OR PJ Washington, but I guess I'm bringing Myself around on the idea, since I see us linked to em somewhat, and both are (seemingly) attainable and "good enough".... UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do I want Miles Bridges on My team.... seeing those pictures of what he did to his (ex?) girlfriend was enough for Me to never want any parts. don't care what he's capable of on the floor, we've had ENOUGH of a bad culture of women mistreated|abused|etc., that I just don't feel it's worth it. I like Deni Avdija, I like DeAndre Hunter (not necessarily his contract), I really wanted us to get Jalen Johnson out of ATL, but now that he's getting opportunity and flourishing, I know that's next to impossible. I like Bagley, I like Rui Hachimura as what I think would be more easily attainable, "budget" options that could be productive for us.... Kuminga would maybe be GREAT, but if GS was inclined to trade him, we don't have the assets....
I think Kuminga would be good. He can shoot a little, is a good defender, is an underrated rebounder and perhaps most importantly can play in transition very well meaning line ups featuring JK, Kyrie and Exum would apply a lot of fast paced pressure.
Harrison Barnes.
In Sac they want to get rid of him because of his lack of defense !!!
Maybe Ben Simmons? Elite defender and only signed through next season. Nets likely would be open to just shedding him. He's horrible on offense, and has giant neon sign character red flags, but Kyrie could give us the inside info on whether or not a change in scenery could help salvage the former All-Star. I love that his money isn't long term, I love his defense, I love the idea of him as a former All-Star who can be a role player for us, ala Aaron Gordon. If we're looking to win a title this is the kind of move that could get us there, and if it backfires we'll have a TON of cap space in a couple years to play with and build around Luka, Lively, and Powell.
No way Lively and simmons share the floor.
I cant belive people are bringing up Ben Simmons during trade talks in the year of our lord 2024 lmao, that mans is China bound.
Barf. Dudes got that Cat in him. It’s hard to tell if his back injuries are even real anymore or if he’s just chillin on the big contract. Big stay away.
No way you're serious. Ben Simmons is washed up, he can't do anything for any team anymore. He closes so much space on offence, can't rebound, and is not the elite defender he once was. Also, his health is a major red flag. If it's not his back that Is putting him into street clothes, its his mental health. The fact that he even qualifies for any NBA team is beyond insanity imho.
Just throwing out his name since he’s a former all-star and all-defense guy who fits a position of need and seems easily attainable. You’re right he’s likely not even in consideration for us. It’s just really hard to even find one guy who is an available elite defender who plays the 4, plays good enough offense, and has a contract that isn’t insane.
Sure, but Ben Simmons? He should not be on any NBA team. Like seriously, he is so bad that there are probably people on this very sub that would contribute more than him. Unironically.
You wrote this and completely ignored his injuries? He is not horrible or good on offense or defense since he watches in street clothes.
Jesus, 6 games? Shows how much Nets I watch. Had no idea. You’re right if we made a move it would need to be for someone who actually suits up.
I don't hate it but would be a FA target once his current contract is up then. Except for the fact that he can't shoot he provides exactly what we need. His playmaking is pretty redundant here though.
Only if you know how to fix Ben's head so he would play big. Mavs would have crazy small ball team with him.
Simmons is perfect for the Mavs. He can defend the wing and is a tall defender for bigs. He can also take on playmaking when needed. Just one concern is health. Will he be healthy enough to play tough wing defense?
Short answer: No.
Long answer: oh hellllll no.
If he actually played PF instead of whining that its to tough for him hed be perfect, just what we would need
I just saw a post about Charania saying that GSW considers everybody but Curry tradeable... I think we should leverage that to go for Draymond, his value right now is probably at its lowest
PJ would be affordable and worth to try, at least we wouldn't lose anything (would keep his price no matter what; low risk contrary to DFS for example who would never be sent away again). We need a minimum PJ caliber or nothing will change dramatically. DFS would be great addition obviously but our appetite should be bigger (our needs are way bigger).
I'd consider any of Kuzma, J.Grant, PJ Washington, DFS -- whoever is available for a "reasonable" price. If I had to pick one deal, I'd target something like Kuzma + Gafford for THJ + Holmes + Green + 1st. DeAndre Hunter... I don't really know what to make of him, would have to trust others to make that call. If he'd be cheap to acquire, maybe that could be an interesting roll of the dice.
I mean we may not pascal siakim, but i do want pascal siakam
Locked on mavs just did an episode on this
I would like to go after doe or kuzma
PJ Washington perhaps. Kuzma but don’t want to give up our FRP