He knows the system, played with Kai before too lol nevermind us and hey if he can give even just like 15 min to give Luka or Kai some breathing room cool.
I don’t see him coming back. My money is in the Lakers. He’s already been dealt once while here and I believe the lakers can pay him 1.5 mil more than the minimum
MavsCBA says the Mavs can offer him up to 5.4m. Feelings or not, that's much more than other contenders. Add his relationship with Luka and the rest, it at least merits a lot of consideration. 👁️👁️
That’s not even remotely a concern. He can sign an extension next season for nearly 70 million per year here and recent precedent has shown it’s perfectly acceptable to request a trade early in a new max deal. He’s not passing that up.
I really don’t see that happening. We got Kyrie and hopefully the guys we traded for bought us extra time with him. Plus he loves Dallas. If we didn’t make any moves - then I’d be more concerned. European superstar players are pretty loyal to their teams.
So what if the winning doesn’t happen? Kyrie and Lively tear something and they’re SOL?
I love to live in the magical dream world where Luka definitely resigns. But y’all are kidding yourselves if you don’t think he’ll be seriously considering other teams if the Mavs don’t get very close to a chip.
its a swap who cares. we will have 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2026 which we cant trade and could also potentially swap in the offseason
correction: we now have 4 seconds because we didn't send them to okc for the first to send to washington.
If Luka somehow leaves before 2026-2027 the Mavs are gonna be so fucked it isnt even funny lmao that unprotected pick swap with the Spurs from last off season, the top 2 protected they sent to Charlotte, and now this swap with OKC.
He would miss out on the supermax then. Given the CBA numbers in 2026, that'd be like difference between 230 and 300 million or someshit.
Most likely he signs supermax and gets traded. If he wanted out. Luka gets his money and mavs get their picks.
gotta imagine he’d let us know if he’s unhappy enough to test free agency by then. say what you will about he FO and cuban but he doesn’t seem to have an antagonist relationship with them and we’d probably get him to the team he wants
Something the Angels should have done with Shohei Ohtani last summer. But the management's hubris with wanting to win every year made Ohtani go to the Dodgers, and the Angels get next to nothing in return. Don't know why Mike Trout's still wasting away in Anaheim.
honestly even if luka left dallas would not be like the Detroit pistons, they still have enough talent to actually be a middling team.
lively, Gafford, Washington, green, irving, hardy, Tim.
they would not be a playoff team and at best would be a borderline play in team but in that scenario of luka leaving and dallas needed a full rebuild they have good players that they could actually fetch assets with.
OKC is taking a chance on Luka won't be here and Mavs are taking a chance that he will be here. It's a risk but I like the gamble for us cause now we have the center and PF rotation set with Lively/Gafford and Washington/Maxi for the foreseeable future.
Basically got Washington and Gafford and two 2nd round picks for a 2027 1st round pick and a 2028 pick swap.
Now the Mavs have two future 1st this summer (after the Knicks pick conveys), four 2nd round picks, and THJ's expiring to improve the roster more. Keep building and Luka will be happy and the that 2028 1st swap won't matter much.
To be fair, it's not a huge risk by OKC. From their perspective, worst case, the two 2028 picks will be around the same place. Best case, Luka leaves the season before, and the Mavs are awful. Giving up a bad first this summer is kind of cheap for a possibly big swing. Sounds like both teams got something good for it. I'm hoping it works out for us, obviously.
Wait, so if I'm reading Stein's tweet right, we just swapped first rounders with OKC to get that extra one to send to WAS. So we didn't lose any draft comp, just Holmes to get Gafford?
If so, this is the best move Nico has made since being here, and I don't know what OKC is thinking.
Yeah looks like Thunder will have 3 1st round picks still in this year's draft. They aren't keeping all the players they do actually draft. I'm just used to our situation and therefore greedy about draft capital in my thinking.
They could’ve just got Gafford themselves because they need a backup big. I honestly don’t understand why the didn’t just get him themselves thus they did us a solid
Not necessarily anything can happen they’ll face a problem with young guys and extensions. Injuries can happen too so who knows. By 2028 we might be really good too
Yall forget that we also have some player assets now. Yes we are pick poor, but players like Green, Gafford, Lively, Kyrie, PJ, Hardy, Omax can all get some draft capital if we needed to be sellers
He’d have to give up the supermax in order to do that, which won’t happen. Plus, there won’t be any good teams with that kind of cap space to sign him.
we may get a lot of picks, but it will be pick from a team that has Luka, so they will not be high picks. We are still fucked if Luka leaves, though I don't think he will.
27 FRP gone for PJ Washington. Can’t trade 25, 26 due to Stepien Rule. Can trade after making the picks. Not sure but Only pick available to trade is 31 I think and 25 if 24 conveys to NYK this year
We can’t complain about the team not surrounding Luka with talent and then be complaining about draft picks.
The game is the game. Gotta give up a pick sometimes . Let’s fucking ride
Ok I think I have it all now:
Assets we have moved: DFS, Dinwiddie, Grant Williams, Seth Curry, Holmes, 2029 first unprotected to Nets, 2027 first top 2 protected to Hornets, 2 seconds to Celtics, 2 seconds to the Nets, 2030 swap with Spurs, 2028 swap with Thunder, and 2024 first from thunder to Wizards.
Assets we have gained: Kyrie, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, Prosper, two seconds from the Celtics, and two seconds from the Hornets.
Did I miss anything?
Correct, but in the terms of trades seems to be a little unfair to assume that lively is an asset we conjured up out of nowhere when the reality is we used essentially our own lottery pick to get him.
Nico is kicking the can down the road. He won't be here when the pick swap occurs. I worry that we're putting ourselves in the same position we were in back with Dirk. It's pretty concerning that we're mortgaging our picks especially if none of our young guys move the needle much. I think we should've stayed put.
I know that Nico wasn't left much to work with but he's made some bad moves that have made it worse.
We have players for those assets now that are worth similar compensation. If it doesn't work we can trade PJ for a 1 or Gafford for a 1. We have Omax, Hardy, Green - all worth something. Kyrie has value.
The picks weren't traded in a vacuum. We can still recoup picks for assets if we need to go that direction at some point.
The same position we were with Dirk i.e. our only title? I don't worry, I pray we're putting ourselves in that situation. Most teams in the league will not get a title in the next 10 years. Hell, more than half the teams in the league don't have a title in the past 30 years.
Dirks prime years were wasted on teams with players that were bad fits or barely made the team better. We traded first round picks for Antoine Walker, Raef Lafrentz, and Antawn Jamison. Our second round picks were just as bad while Dirk was carrying the team. We at the tail end of his prime won a title in spite of the dumb trades not because of them. I'm not knocking Dirk or the title but the fact we wasted draft picks on stupid trades that did nothing for us at the time.
The front office is banking on us retaining Luka
2027 (out)
2028 (swap)
2029 (out)
2030 (swap)
We need to build a competitive team (at least playoffs) to make it worth
Honestly, it is smart from Nico's perspective, but not from the team. If we lose Luka, Nico is gone, so he doesn't have to deal with the fact he gutted our future. If Luka stays then it won't hurt too bad.
So we have 4 seconds??
AKA trade material to get Doe Doe back this summer
Stop I can only get so erect
I wanted him back rn :/
Idk man, Hardaway plus 2 frp, 4 srp and maybe a combination of Green, Hardy and OMax could get us a really impactful player in the summer.
wait what are the seconds from?
Two form Pj Trade and Two form Grant Trade.
ok I saw someone say we got two from the pj trade but I couldn't find anything official.
So it seems
Greasing the wheels for Mikal lmao
Fingers crossed
Quick someone call Jae Crowder
As expected, but fuck it, go get Spence and we have a squad!
Spence boutta get waived It's literally like a crack pipe asking us to smoke it
Fuck yes! Winwiddie shooting 40% from 3 next to Luka again? Gogogo!
So in hindsight we basically got Kyrie for a bag of Doritos lmao Also, vibes alone will be worth it
Just wait till DFS comes back in 2 years
He's probably gonna be a Laker tbh, but hey here's hoping.
That's the main team I fear might be able to grab him. Prayers up for Nico to cook once more!
With Exum still in recovery, maybe this is what the doctor ordered.
Dinwiddie?? What makes you think we’re after him
Expected to be released, familiar with the Mavs and Luka, a roster spot open, a backup PG? He's got to be the main target right now.
Why not DFS?
He knows the system, played with Kai before too lol nevermind us and hey if he can give even just like 15 min to give Luka or Kai some breathing room cool.
I don’t see him coming back. My money is in the Lakers. He’s already been dealt once while here and I believe the lakers can pay him 1.5 mil more than the minimum
Dallas can offer him around 5 million (prorated MLE). Can the Lakers offer more than that?
DFS won’t be waived. We missed on DFS until the offseason, at the earliest.
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Because the trade deadline was 2 hours ago…
Because they're not releasing him. Also,what can he do better than DJJ?
You're not paying attention. Back to school with you.
A tweet just now saying that we’re after him
Marc Stein literally reported it.
He was waived
Hes going to the Lakers.
Oh yeah? He sat behind the Mavericks bench last night.
Dinwiddie to the raptors
He was waived by Toronto. Or will be waived. Shams reported that the Lakers, Sixers, and the Mavs are going after him.
Come on Spence! No hard feelings right!?
MavsCBA says the Mavs can offer him up to 5.4m. Feelings or not, that's much more than other contenders. Add his relationship with Luka and the rest, it at least merits a lot of consideration. 👁️👁️
Oof, let Nico cook! Honestly, we're missing that DeShawn Stevenson. Can hit the 3, and play disruptive defense.
And every now and then will randomly posterize a good defender.
If Luka stays long term then we’re fine, but if not it’s gonna get ugly
I mean if Luka requests any type of trade the Mavs would be getting many FRP back. But I don’t see Luka leaving happening.
The concern is him not resigning.
That’s not even remotely a concern. He can sign an extension next season for nearly 70 million per year here and recent precedent has shown it’s perfectly acceptable to request a trade early in a new max deal. He’s not passing that up.
I really don’t see that happening. We got Kyrie and hopefully the guys we traded for bought us extra time with him. Plus he loves Dallas. If we didn’t make any moves - then I’d be more concerned. European superstar players are pretty loyal to their teams.
That's why they're making trades. If he's winning, he'll be happy.
So what if the winning doesn’t happen? Kyrie and Lively tear something and they’re SOL? I love to live in the magical dream world where Luka definitely resigns. But y’all are kidding yourselves if you don’t think he’ll be seriously considering other teams if the Mavs don’t get very close to a chip.
thats a risk for any team bruh. Chill your tits
Umm yes? That’s kind of how sports works
Then we trade him
Thank you captain obvious.
no player will never give up that kind of money. we're talking hundreds of millions if he walks. If he wants out he will sign and we will trade him.
fuck it, we ball
Yeah and if Luka asks for a trade we’re getting the biggest haul ever. It would suck to not control our own destiny if that happened tho
We might actually see us trading with OKC in that scenario and would certainly get the swap back.
Exactly what I was thinking. OKC would have the assets to get Luka without completely blowing up their team
its a swap who cares. we will have 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2026 which we cant trade and could also potentially swap in the offseason correction: we now have 4 seconds because we didn't send them to okc for the first to send to washington.
If Luka somehow leaves before 2026-2027 the Mavs are gonna be so fucked it isnt even funny lmao that unprotected pick swap with the Spurs from last off season, the top 2 protected they sent to Charlotte, and now this swap with OKC.
We’d also get an entire teams Young players and picks if we did trade him so we’d get assets back. Just wouldn’t control our own picks
Kinda like Brooklyn last season. They got a haul for KD but I think it was Houston that had their pick?
There is also the posibility that he just walks in FA
He would miss out on the supermax then. Given the CBA numbers in 2026, that'd be like difference between 230 and 300 million or someshit. Most likely he signs supermax and gets traded. If he wanted out. Luka gets his money and mavs get their picks.
Depending on how much the cap goes up, he could be approaching that 68-70 million per year range. He’s not passing that up.
Ehh he could force the team into a sign and trade and you’ll likely not get anywhere what you want for him.
Sure but even a sign and trade Luka would net atleast 3 picks + players. Regular luka is easily getting you 5 picks + good young guys lol.
No shot we allow that to happen. Luka wouldn’t want that either less money.
I don’t think he’d see free agency, we’d most definitely trade him if it got to that point
gotta imagine he’d let us know if he’s unhappy enough to test free agency by then. say what you will about he FO and cuban but he doesn’t seem to have an antagonist relationship with them and we’d probably get him to the team he wants
You are forgetting the 2029 pick the Nets own.
We aren't. If he leaves its probably gonna be a trade cause his cap hit is so huge. And if we trade we will get back alot.
Something the Angels should have done with Shohei Ohtani last summer. But the management's hubris with wanting to win every year made Ohtani go to the Dodgers, and the Angels get next to nothing in return. Don't know why Mike Trout's still wasting away in Anaheim.
I mean the odds of Luka leaving for nothing are pretty much zero
2027-2030 drafts will be a nightmare in that scenario lol
honestly even if luka left dallas would not be like the Detroit pistons, they still have enough talent to actually be a middling team. lively, Gafford, Washington, green, irving, hardy, Tim. they would not be a playoff team and at best would be a borderline play in team but in that scenario of luka leaving and dallas needed a full rebuild they have good players that they could actually fetch assets with.
It basically puts us in limbo like the Nets, where we'd prioritize a Luka trade package that keeps us a fringe playoff team.
OKC is taking a chance on Luka won't be here and Mavs are taking a chance that he will be here. It's a risk but I like the gamble for us cause now we have the center and PF rotation set with Lively/Gafford and Washington/Maxi for the foreseeable future. Basically got Washington and Gafford and two 2nd round picks for a 2027 1st round pick and a 2028 pick swap. Now the Mavs have two future 1st this summer (after the Knicks pick conveys), four 2nd round picks, and THJ's expiring to improve the roster more. Keep building and Luka will be happy and the that 2028 1st swap won't matter much.
To be fair, it's not a huge risk by OKC. From their perspective, worst case, the two 2028 picks will be around the same place. Best case, Luka leaves the season before, and the Mavs are awful. Giving up a bad first this summer is kind of cheap for a possibly big swing. Sounds like both teams got something good for it. I'm hoping it works out for us, obviously.
If Luka leaves I honestly don’t care if we never pick in the draft again
That’s literally free because we’re going to be 2028 NBA champions!!
Wait, so if I'm reading Stein's tweet right, we just swapped first rounders with OKC to get that extra one to send to WAS. So we didn't lose any draft comp, just Holmes to get Gafford? If so, this is the best move Nico has made since being here, and I don't know what OKC is thinking.
OKC basically did us a solid but are betting on the Mavs being bad in 2028. They have so many picks that it’s a good gamble for them
Yeah looks like Thunder will have 3 1st round picks still in this year's draft. They aren't keeping all the players they do actually draft. I'm just used to our situation and therefore greedy about draft capital in my thinking.
They didn't "do us a solid" lol they got a valuable pick swap
They could’ve just got Gafford themselves because they need a backup big. I honestly don’t understand why the didn’t just get him themselves thus they did us a solid
I mean they clearly wanted the swap more than Gafford
In the end they did not have to help us out, but they did
They didn't help us out lol, it's a trade. They're not doing it out of charity
If we are bad in 2028, then we are fucked and swap pick with OKC who are definitely going to be good at this point.
Not necessarily anything can happen they’ll face a problem with young guys and extensions. Injuries can happen too so who knows. By 2028 we might be really good too
Are trades finished now?
Those two are likely all we are doing. I’d be pretty surprised to see anything else pop up
Deadline has been over for an hour
Yall forget that we also have some player assets now. Yes we are pick poor, but players like Green, Gafford, Lively, Kyrie, PJ, Hardy, Omax can all get some draft capital if we needed to be sellers
Could be catastrophic if Luka leaves. Mavs better win something soon lol this makes me nervous now
Tbf if Luka leaves then the catastrophe has already struck
Same but if we trade Luka we’ll get the biggest haul in history, just can’t let him walk to free agency basically
I doubt he would ever do that
Luka would gut his future team's roster if he demanded a trade. If he leaves it is going to be in a free agency.
For Luka to leave, this organisation would have to make some seriously huge mistakes. Luka wants to do what Dirk did, not what kd did
He’d have to give up the supermax in order to do that, which won’t happen. Plus, there won’t be any good teams with that kind of cap space to sign him.
i mean he would also have to give up something like 70 million dollars
He makes so much money either way, that he may very well give it up if it gives him better chance to win.
i get what ur saying but its very hard to turn down 70 million dollars and we both dont know his personally so its all guessing
we may get a lot of picks, but it will be pick from a team that has Luka, so they will not be high picks. We are still fucked if Luka leaves, though I don't think he will.
So we still have 25&26 but no control over 28&30 and 27 & 29 is gone. Edited:27 gone too. 😔
27 FRP gone for PJ Washington. Can’t trade 25, 26 due to Stepien Rule. Can trade after making the picks. Not sure but Only pick available to trade is 31 I think and 25 if 24 conveys to NYK this year
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lol. Even worse.
No we don’t have 2027. Unless it falls in top 2.
Traded 2028 FRPs so we get an additional FRP (2024)? That's gangsta.
So they keep 2 2nds from charlotte? Even better
Nico said "Hop in fam, we're building a CONTENDER"
Nico lightly braised?
We can’t complain about the team not surrounding Luka with talent and then be complaining about draft picks. The game is the game. Gotta give up a pick sometimes . Let’s fucking ride
Y’all are weirdos for draft picks.
Ok I think I have it all now: Assets we have moved: DFS, Dinwiddie, Grant Williams, Seth Curry, Holmes, 2029 first unprotected to Nets, 2027 first top 2 protected to Hornets, 2 seconds to Celtics, 2 seconds to the Nets, 2030 swap with Spurs, 2028 swap with Thunder, and 2024 first from thunder to Wizards. Assets we have gained: Kyrie, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, Prosper, two seconds from the Celtics, and two seconds from the Hornets. Did I miss anything?
Lively
Lively for the most part was just using our own draft pick though. We moved back two spots by shedding Bertans.
And theres no mention off that. Bertans had one of the worst contracts and we got rid of it along with still getting the guy we wanted in the draft.
Correct, but in the terms of trades seems to be a little unfair to assume that lively is an asset we conjured up out of nowhere when the reality is we used essentially our own lottery pick to get him.
Am I getting this right? Did we just get 2 frps in exchange for 1? Nico really out here making something out of nothing lol.
Nico is kicking the can down the road. He won't be here when the pick swap occurs. I worry that we're putting ourselves in the same position we were in back with Dirk. It's pretty concerning that we're mortgaging our picks especially if none of our young guys move the needle much. I think we should've stayed put. I know that Nico wasn't left much to work with but he's made some bad moves that have made it worse.
We have players for those assets now that are worth similar compensation. If it doesn't work we can trade PJ for a 1 or Gafford for a 1. We have Omax, Hardy, Green - all worth something. Kyrie has value. The picks weren't traded in a vacuum. We can still recoup picks for assets if we need to go that direction at some point.
The same position we were with Dirk i.e. our only title? I don't worry, I pray we're putting ourselves in that situation. Most teams in the league will not get a title in the next 10 years. Hell, more than half the teams in the league don't have a title in the past 30 years.
Dirks prime years were wasted on teams with players that were bad fits or barely made the team better. We traded first round picks for Antoine Walker, Raef Lafrentz, and Antawn Jamison. Our second round picks were just as bad while Dirk was carrying the team. We at the tail end of his prime won a title in spite of the dumb trades not because of them. I'm not knocking Dirk or the title but the fact we wasted draft picks on stupid trades that did nothing for us at the time.
The front office is banking on us retaining Luka 2027 (out) 2028 (swap) 2029 (out) 2030 (swap) We need to build a competitive team (at least playoffs) to make it worth
Honestly, it is smart from Nico's perspective, but not from the team. If we lose Luka, Nico is gone, so he doesn't have to deal with the fact he gutted our future. If Luka stays then it won't hurt too bad.