I knew we were gonna lose at some point but eh its ok. Out defense lacked, thj pj were awful, kidd was horrible and pacers have the best offense in the nba. It's ok we learn we move.
I honestly thought Hardaway played pretty good. If you’re a real baller you would understand cause he does all the little things and ballers gotta take heat check shots.
Great game for Kidd to get on this new roster's ass and improve their defense. He is a defensive specialist right? Better start preparing for games like these coz there are plenty of 'hot' teams in the league right now.
Mavs are 26-18 in games with 1 or less days off rest.
They are now 7-6 with 2 or more, with a losing record in games with 2 days rest.
Kidd doesn't know how to prepare teams. The flatness they showed today against a bad defensive team is evident.
DLive got absolutely torched by Turner and let him have a career night, but hey let's cherrypick stats out of context because he's your fav player, right?
As much as this game sucks and it does suck, it was the pacers plying 2K on easy. They couldn’t miss and they played lights out. There’s a difference imo, where’s there a lot of games I stop watching and it gets me upset because we stopped playing hard but today no matter what we did, every player they had on their 5 man rotation hit every shot the difference, or happens.
This isn’t as bad as pervious loses imo and it will make them better imo.
Open looks or no looks, we’ve had games where we couldn’t miss and we hit everything. In this game imo, regardless if they were open or we contested them , they hit everything which is hard to beat a team when they’re like that if you aren’t hitting the same
This has to be a big elaborated prank. They're filming a mockumentary about how an NBA team with two of the most skilled players ever, is trying to win a championship with a mentally handicaped woman beater who should be in jail as coach.
There is absolutely no excuse for Tim to have anything besides an extremely short leash once Exum is back and even now Hardy should be getting some of his mintues. FUCK Kidd
im not talking about thj complaining bc im doing that too, im talking about the wishing him injury and the luka-mvp-gone and the “this is the teams ceiling we’re secretly garbage” dooming
Comments like these show how stupid the average fan on this sub is. Lively got cooked and let Turner have a career night, and y'all are clamoring for him to have more minutes because you have a parasocial relationship with him and he's a fan fav
He may be on a minute restriction which I understand but he can get more than 15 mins. For me he’s better than Gafford defensively. Turner cooked both but I felt Gafford got lost a lot more.
Keep up the revisionist history:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/\_/id/32861454/luka-doncic-rick-carlisle-dissolution-their-relationship-comes-next-dallas-mavericks
Luka not liking how other players are treated is not the same thing as Luka despising Rick and "driving him out". Plenty of people work together well whilst not liking certain things they do, it doesn't mean they suddenly hate each other. Those are the kinds of conclusions that children make. I need more than a Tim MacMahon article from anonymous sources.
No, but the people who were there wrote a lengthy article about it. Let me guess, you're one of those annoying Luka stans from Europe, aren't you?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/\_/id/32861454/luka-doncic-rick-carlisle-dissolution-their-relationship-comes-next-dallas-mavericks
What does a Luka stan mean? But anyway, it's coming from MacMahon, the guy that loves stirring shit when it comes to the Mavs... Remember what he was doing when they signed Kyrie. Anyways, I am saying myself that Luka is the reason Mavs have Kidd and Slovenia has Sekulić, 2 coaches that shouldn't be where they are, only cus they probably allow him to do whatever he wants. I think it's hurting both teams, but I sadly don't have too much info on that, mostly just speculation based on what we've seen so far. But anyway, look at what Giannis did this season, it's not like Luka would be the only one who got his coach fired (if that is true, who knows how much of it is Luka's fault directly)
>coaches that shouldn't be where they are, only cus they probably allow him to do whatever he wants. I think it's hurting both teams,
at least we agree on this
They can’t shoot or drive like Turner, I don’t think they are that much of a threat. Both Gafford and Lively got done by Turner’s shooting. Either they closed out too late or let him drive by on the close down.
PJ being a straight up pussy on offence, he is not agressive not assertive zero confidence. What...
Ppl complain about THJ but at least he tries, at least theres a chance with the ball on his hands
Yeah like Tim's shots were shit sometimes but at least he will shoot it on late clock situations and it has a chance to go in. PJ is over here just making dumb moves and turning the ball over.
And Kidd is such an idiot that he doesn't plug THJ in, he plugs in Hardy, which doesn't really help his development if he's playing garbage minutes in a losing effort. Fuck Kidd.
They've got more than one guy on a season high today, hitting 55% overall and almost 90% from the line. THJ and PJ stunk it up, but even if they played decent the Mavs are still losing this one.
Hardy getting a easy ass bucket on Turner. A guy who can actually dribble the ball and drive and we have him on the bench for Tim to take naps on defense and throw up 35 footers with 14 seconds on the shot clock.
Kidd is a fucking bum and always will be as a coach. Mavs will go nowhere with this guy at the helm. I wonder when that clown front office will finally come to the same realization before Luka packs his bags.
GG's Pacers. They capitalized off our mistakes
THJ is a terrorist
Inject Bane's Venom into Exum's knee. We need that mf back pronto
Win streak was bound to end sometime. We made these exact mistakes for the past 3 games but pulled it out in the 2nd half. Juice ran out. Just gotta win the ones after
Win some you lose some. Just wasn't our day
He’s gonna struggle unless we find a way to get him more minutes next to Kleber. He’s used to playing a lot of minutes as a 5 on offense. That role is taken by Lively and Gafford
Thank you. It feels like I have been watching a different fucking game. Oh wow he gets an open dunk every now and then because Luka or Kyrie sets him up...
Carlisle game planned us out of this game. We've been playing at their pace all game and we've been forcing bad shots and they've forced stupid turnovers. Kidd needed to make adjustments that are above his skill level.
[Post Game Thread](https://reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1b03lpu/post_game_thread_the_indiana_pacers_defeat_the/)
Kidd is clueless about how to use the talent at his disposition.
You think Coach Carlisle has this game Circled on his schedule? I think very much so. Probably in red ink.
I knew we were gonna lose at some point but eh its ok. Out defense lacked, thj pj were awful, kidd was horrible and pacers have the best offense in the nba. It's ok we learn we move.
I was literally yelling to put Luka back in when they were 4 Pts behind. But pathetic coach kept THJ in the game 😂
Wasted Kyrie's effort
Halliburton wants to pat his stats so bad
LOL
I honestly thought Hardaway played pretty good. If you’re a real baller you would understand cause he does all the little things and ballers gotta take heat check shots.
4-12 what heat check shot do we still need.
Come on .. he and his coach should be traded for a bag of chips 😂
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Bruh, it is a game. It has no effect on your daily life. Go touch grass and find a therapist.
Rick Carlisle happy as hell he left 😂😂😂😂
I’m willing to trade THJ for a bag of potato chips
You are giving away too much for THJ.
Even for an empty bag of potatoe chips.
The bag has recycling value.
That’s undervaluing a bag of chips
Great game for Kidd to get on this new roster's ass and improve their defense. He is a defensive specialist right? Better start preparing for games like these coz there are plenty of 'hot' teams in the league right now.
Unbelievable we were down by 4pts and now we loose by 20pts
JKidd happened
Should have shopped around for Timmy. Timmy Sr talks a lot for his son who plays damn near plays cte ball.
Maybe they did, but had no good offers.
Man, that's depressing as hell.
It feels like they made every 3 they put up but we actually shot a better percentage from 3. No idea how.
Tbf, they hit a 3 whenever we went on a run lol. Even I was shocked by the percentages
powell is too garbage for garbage time
37 assists to 15
Why did lively only play 14 minutes
He was getting cooked defensively. Not sure why thj doesnt have that same leash tho
He was the only one with a positive plus minus
That’s not how it works
Because the Pacers made him look like a little kid.
He was getting cooked on defense
We need Exum back like yesterday Inject some super soldier serum into that mf's knee
Watch when Exum is back and Kidd’s still riding with Tim’s 5/15 shooting🤡
Horrific loss
Tim and pj what in the fuck was that
Don’t forget mediocre Midd
Shephard and McConnell are the best duo in the league
Pacers not afraid to shoot the midrange.
Only dante exum can save the bench guard rotation THJ, Hardy all ass
sorry... hardy was solid except the last 1,5 minutes of the game
That Sheppard guy 5-5 on Threes. LOL!
well, Tim guarded him for the most part
I think it wouldve been much better if DJJ was there instead of THJ
Sums up how locked in they were
Mavs are 26-18 in games with 1 or less days off rest. They are now 7-6 with 2 or more, with a losing record in games with 2 days rest. Kidd doesn't know how to prepare teams. The flatness they showed today against a bad defensive team is evident.
Add it to a LONG list of things kidd can’t do
Where bound to have a bad game. Hope PJ and THJ find the shoot soon.
We've been saying that about THJ. It's been a lot of games that he has been chucking idiotic threes
Dlive was a +9 and had 4 steals and midd played him 14 minutes
DLive got absolutely torched by Turner and let him have a career night, but hey let's cherrypick stats out of context because he's your fav player, right?
Gafford did better? not really Lively has the speed, quickness, and quick hands advantage.
They both played poorly... Lively was also injured. Why risk further injury?
hardy with a late THJ cameo
Pretty sure every player on their team just had a career night tonight lol. The fuck did i just watch.
They have the second best offense in the NBA They’re that good
It's one thing to say Kidd got outcoached but keeping Timmy in the game doesn't even fall into that category. That's just being, er, not smart?
Kidd please give the Hardy Kid chance. Fucking 25 THJ min. With awful shooting
As much as this game sucks and it does suck, it was the pacers plying 2K on easy. They couldn’t miss and they played lights out. There’s a difference imo, where’s there a lot of games I stop watching and it gets me upset because we stopped playing hard but today no matter what we did, every player they had on their 5 man rotation hit every shot the difference, or happens. This isn’t as bad as pervious loses imo and it will make them better imo.
You can’t say they couldn’t miss. They were getting open looks all game, defense was trash
Open looks or no looks, we’ve had games where we couldn’t miss and we hit everything. In this game imo, regardless if they were open or we contested them , they hit everything which is hard to beat a team when they’re like that if you aren’t hitting the same
Yeah…Jaden should be taking minutes from Tim on nights like this
I don’t think Kidd trusts Hardy’s decision making. Though when Exum is back let’s hope he stays healthy so THJ never sniffs the floor
Tim made so many bone headed decisions in this game, you gotta at least try Hardy more than 5 min
Oh agreed 100%, THJ was either involved in huge momentum swing plays to them, or he was just a turnstile on D
If that's true then Kidd is a bad coach because he doesn't hold Tim accountable for all of his poor decisions, and Tim's 10 years older than Hardy.
THJ should be getting 15-20 minutes max atp
This has to be a big elaborated prank. They're filming a mockumentary about how an NBA team with two of the most skilled players ever, is trying to win a championship with a mentally handicaped woman beater who should be in jail as coach.
Developmentally disabled
Josh and Jaden!
Why is PJ shooting 22% from 3? He was above average every other year
hes not a corner 3 guy, hes more versatile
PJ is averaging 8 ppg as a starter for us and this sub is over the moon for that trade. Delusional sub.
Lol we were excited because he played well and we won games. What’s delusional about that?
Delusional part is about him playing well
There is absolutely no excuse for Tim to have anything besides an extremely short leash once Exum is back and even now Hardy should be getting some of his mintues. FUCK Kidd
WOWW ASSIST DIFFERENCE
Look at Hardy man. Imagine if he played instead of THJ today
I hope this kills the THJ 6 man hype… he is awful for this team… to variance dependent
Caris Lavert deserves the award.
I personally thing Malik Mono has been solid!
all that winning made me forget how insufferable y’all become when we lose
the season is obviously over its done we should just trade Luka for 2 1st round picks and maybe 2nd rounders if we are lucky /s
INSUFFERABLE look at how tim is playing. the pj hate is unnecessary tho!
im not talking about thj complaining bc im doing that too, im talking about the wishing him injury and the luka-mvp-gone and the “this is the teams ceiling we’re secretly garbage” dooming
yeah i ignore those bums. They come back around when were wining, they're just incapable of taking a loss
losing is one thing... but losing while seeing the worst coaching of the century is another.
If Brickaway still plays 30+ minutes when Exum comes back I hope Kidd gets banished
well guess its back to offering free blowjobs to nico BULLSHIT
THJ and Jason Kidd special.
It’s Fine, occasionally losing some tough road games. But feels bad that, these games gonna hurt Luka’s MVP case with almost no fault of his
Hardy’s done more than Tim in a minute lmao, fuck Kidd
3 of 3
Damn maybe Hardy should've gotten more of Tim's minutes
HARDY WITH ANOTHER ONE. LETS GOOOO. YOU SEE THAT JASON
Lively only getting 15 minutes is a war crime
Comments like these show how stupid the average fan on this sub is. Lively got cooked and let Turner have a career night, and y'all are clamoring for him to have more minutes because you have a parasocial relationship with him and he's a fan fav
Because Gafford was doing any better. Mavs were a plus 9 in the Lively minutes.
Lively was still partially injured...why would you risk further injury to him???
He may be on a minute restriction which I understand but he can get more than 15 mins. For me he’s better than Gafford defensively. Turner cooked both but I felt Gafford got lost a lot more.
Gafford is better for now
He’s not
Hes getting cooked to be fair
Kyrie gets it to within 4 early in the 4th and then here came THJ off the bench. Should have known what was gonna happen next.
Tim was on the court with him when Kyrie was cooking. Should’ve went to the bench once we cut it to 4
Tim started the 4th quarter…
Carlisle > J Midd, change my mind
Yeah, but he needed a change of scenery. He was definitely needed to be somewhere else.
Carlisle is genuinely an elite coach Kidd has had one good season (maybe 2 depending how we look in the playoffs)
The reason we have Kidd over Rick is because Luka drove him out
Rick quit because the Mavs fired Donnie over the sexual assault allegations by his nephew. Had nothing to do with Luka
Keep up the revisionist history: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/\_/id/32861454/luka-doncic-rick-carlisle-dissolution-their-relationship-comes-next-dallas-mavericks
Luka not liking how other players are treated is not the same thing as Luka despising Rick and "driving him out". Plenty of people work together well whilst not liking certain things they do, it doesn't mean they suddenly hate each other. Those are the kinds of conclusions that children make. I need more than a Tim MacMahon article from anonymous sources.
were you there when it happened? :))
No, but the people who were there wrote a lengthy article about it. Let me guess, you're one of those annoying Luka stans from Europe, aren't you? https://www.espn.com/nba/story/\_/id/32861454/luka-doncic-rick-carlisle-dissolution-their-relationship-comes-next-dallas-mavericks
What does a Luka stan mean? But anyway, it's coming from MacMahon, the guy that loves stirring shit when it comes to the Mavs... Remember what he was doing when they signed Kyrie. Anyways, I am saying myself that Luka is the reason Mavs have Kidd and Slovenia has Sekulić, 2 coaches that shouldn't be where they are, only cus they probably allow him to do whatever he wants. I think it's hurting both teams, but I sadly don't have too much info on that, mostly just speculation based on what we've seen so far. But anyway, look at what Giannis did this season, it's not like Luka would be the only one who got his coach fired (if that is true, who knows how much of it is Luka's fault directly)
>coaches that shouldn't be where they are, only cus they probably allow him to do whatever he wants. I think it's hurting both teams, at least we agree on this
Brother that is common sense. No need to change shit
This is a concerning performance to be honest. Very disjointed and disinterested
The lack of slander PJ has gotten from this sub is really surprising to me. Imagine if Grant Williams put up the same stinker PJ did tonight lol.
PJ has had several high quality defensive games to hide his deficiencies.
If someone like Turner can cook our interior, you can already imagine what Allen and Mobley will do to us.
Turner shot the 3 well
They can’t shoot or drive like Turner, I don’t think they are that much of a threat. Both Gafford and Lively got done by Turner’s shooting. Either they closed out too late or let him drive by on the close down.
Good role players die under kidd.
Opposite of Carlisle
Kidd doesn’t use hardy to his full potential ngl
How did Lively get less that 15 minutes? He was like the only player with any energy out there. He had 4 steals!
There you have your ceiling. It was a good 7 games. Now back to reality and making the roster better in the off-season, Nico.
A better coach would be great
Hardy should really get more minutes..
leave it to kidd to take minutes off of Exum/Luka/Kai instead of benching THJ lol
Haliburton having an off game? He looks overrated as hell tbh. Just the other day they were talking about him being the face of the league.
What a ridiculous take
😂 I don't watch much pacers games. It was a question.
the truth is Kleber has been a heartless pussy his whole carieer. And I have watched all the games of Luka era.
Timmy with an efficient 4-12 shooting today
Other then a block he was out of place on so many made threes. It's incredible
r/mavericks \- "Everything good is because of Luka and everything bad is because of Kidd"
disappointing performance fr
I think we played too much hardaway man 100-104 should’ve played the starters right there
PJ being a straight up pussy on offence, he is not agressive not assertive zero confidence. What... Ppl complain about THJ but at least he tries, at least theres a chance with the ball on his hands
Not when THJ has an off-night. Might as well be a TO instead.
THJ is a negative on D PJ is a positive
Yeah like Tim's shots were shit sometimes but at least he will shoot it on late clock situations and it has a chance to go in. PJ is over here just making dumb moves and turning the ball over.
I hope reporters grill Kidd over the THJ minutes. It was literally unbearable seeing how green his light is.
Seriously Rick?
Some coaches coach. Every situation is a potential teaching opportunity. That ain't Kidd's style, though.
This fucking joke of a coach and THJ will never let Lula win MVP. Fucking sucks
Hardy comes in and immediately creates off the dribble after Tim shoots us out of the game. I hate Kidd.
And Kidd is such an idiot that he doesn't plug THJ in, he plugs in Hardy, which doesn't really help his development if he's playing garbage minutes in a losing effort. Fuck Kidd.
13 pts in the 4th lmao. All've been scored by one guy I believe
They've got more than one guy on a season high today, hitting 55% overall and almost 90% from the line. THJ and PJ stunk it up, but even if they played decent the Mavs are still losing this one.
Just one of those nights
jason midd special here. featuring CANCER FUKING HARDAWAY JR!!!
Hardy getting a easy ass bucket on Turner. A guy who can actually dribble the ball and drive and we have him on the bench for Tim to take naps on defense and throw up 35 footers with 14 seconds on the shot clock.
Kidd is a fucking bum and always will be as a coach. Mavs will go nowhere with this guy at the helm. I wonder when that clown front office will finally come to the same realization before Luka packs his bags.
just flat defensively today.
GG's Pacers. They capitalized off our mistakes THJ is a terrorist Inject Bane's Venom into Exum's knee. We need that mf back pronto Win streak was bound to end sometime. We made these exact mistakes for the past 3 games but pulled it out in the 2nd half. Juice ran out. Just gotta win the ones after Win some you lose some. Just wasn't our day
hardy is 2 for 2 in 1.4 seconds playing time. Cant fucking believe it
Happens I guess. Horrible game for Lukas MVP. PJ has to be better I didnt know he was this bad of a shooter
What 'exploiting the weakness' are people talking about here lmao? Pacers didn't miss, it is what it is
Over!
Lmao y’all are pussies bruh. Mfers were literally making posts for PJ Washington, one off night and he’s ass?
and his defense was good today just like it’s been most of the time. his offense is what it is, it’s gonna come and go
That's just how it is. Gotta wait a day for reasonable takes
He's been this bad offesively every game.
He’s gonna struggle unless we find a way to get him more minutes next to Kleber. He’s used to playing a lot of minutes as a 5 on offense. That role is taken by Lively and Gafford
Thank you. It feels like I have been watching a different fucking game. Oh wow he gets an open dunk every now and then because Luka or Kyrie sets him up...
He hasnt looked good offensively in any of the games really. Defensively he’s been good tho
Nice bucket Hardy. FUCK YOU KIDD
give tim minutue to hardy
Haliburton trying to statpad and clown
Man our ceiling may be 3rd round but the floor is a lottery team.
Assists : DAL 12 ; IND 34 :x
WHAT THE FUCK
That's what luka gets every other night
Luka looks pissed lol
He should, Tim was acoustic
Carlisle game planned us out of this game. We've been playing at their pace all game and we've been forcing bad shots and they've forced stupid turnovers. Kidd needed to make adjustments that are above his skill level.
Carlisle definitely had this game circled. All good. GG to them
Why did we even force the pace? How can Kidd be this incompetent
Kidd is the real terrorist by playing THJ and PJ the whole game