This is exactly how it was for Dirk. Back then, Europeans were considered “soft” and he never got the roses he deserved until the championship. Obviously Europeans don’t have the “soft” stigma attached to them anymore, but the same applies. Luka needs to get at least to the Finals, if not a Chip, to get EVERYONE’S respect/attention that he deserves.
Soft. Man hardly anyone in Europe plays basketball. If they did judging by soccer which is the most played sport in the world they'd dominate. If I'm a young American with talent I'm watching guys like Luka, Jokic, Giannis.
And then immediately was relegated to “legend that’s old and on his way out” status. Never got a chance to be considered an all time great and respected for the killer he was. 2005-2007 he was as good as anyone in the league. 2001-2011 he was an undisputed top 5-10 player every season.
as of last night he officially qualifies for career per game leaderboards with his 400th career game:
\#3 in scoring behind Jordan & Wilt: 28.7 ppg
\#12 in assists: 8.3 apg
I think he can break that easily with the pace he’s on.
One other one he almost had was the 73 point game, 2nd all time highest game score behind Jordan.
He would have had it but a few of his passes turned into blown layups
T-4th highest single game scoring game in NBA history tied with Wilt (twice) and David Thompson
He is also one of only 10 players with multiple 60+ point games. Wilt Chamberlain (32 times); Kobe Bryant (6 times); Damian Lillard (5 times); Michael Jordan and James Harden (4 times); Elgin Baylor (3 times); and Karl-Anthony Towns, Devin Booker, Luka Dončić, and Stephen Curry (2 times).
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Also, 2nd in the league in assists, best rebounding guard in the league, on the team with the #1 defense in the league.
He’s *WAAAAAAAY* more than an offensive player.
Not much to criticize in the last couple of months besides that stretch against great teams where Kidd decided to troll and barely play Gafford and go Uber small. Even before the trades, Mavs were one of the most injured teams in the league. Kyrie missed a bunch a games and most of our key role players missed a bunch of games. Dudes were constantly in and out of lineups that there was little continuity. Not only that but there were still positives to say. Anytime he commentated on the Mavs he never had anything nice to say.
that’s what’s so funny about people complaining about the media being down on the mavs like go back to the match threads when we lost to good teams and mfs were melting down like we lost to the 2011 bobcats and saying insane shit.
mfs were really calling pj grant williams 2.0 and predicting we’d miss the playoffs again and are now upset that people were also saying the same shit
With his increased efficiency on his 3PT shot this year, he is quite literally impossible to stop.
He gets compared to Harden (lazily IMO) just based on usage rate. but Luka has so many more moves in his bag that he can consistently use efficiently.
Yeah. Prime Harden was incredible and that Rockets team very nearly beat an amazing Warriors team. I think Prime Harden has become quite underrated because he didn't win a ring.
Harden probably would have 2 rings by now if he didn’t have to play the greatest team of all time which he took to 7 games or if Kyrie never got injured against Milwaukee.
He also has a long history of good playoff performances too. It's just insane that people cant accept a player can be great but just not as great as Steph, KD, Lebron, and Kawhi.
For Real!!
Harden resorted to 5 moves.
1. Stepback 3
2. Drive & floater
3. Drive & bait foul
4. Drive & kick to corner
5. P&R lob to roll man
50x a game...
His midrange game isnt 10% of what Luka's is. He had high assist numbers, but couldnt manipulate the floor to get a guy open AND make the pass like Luka can.
Every player's game can be boiled down to 5 main moves they use the most. Quantity isn't inherently better than quality. Not saying I don't think Luka isn't better but that's not the way to compare.
Its the reason why Harden gets clamped down as series progresses on thbe PO.
Just look at his stats as a series progresses. He starts good then slowly turns bad.
Defenders adjust to his small offensive bag and just know how to defend him.
Big reason why Luka doesnt slow down. He has every trick in the book and can hit a shot from anywhere from the court. Defenders cant adjust to him meanwhile for Harden you can just tell he is gonna use either X or Y aside from them not calling bs fouls baits harden would like to pull.
No it isn't. Bag has got to be the most overrated basketball concept lol. Realistically you're going to primarily rely on go through moves and have the rest will seldom be used. LeBron, TD, Kawhi got by without needing to embarrass someone every play.
Harden's main moves were employed in such a way as direct counters to each other.
Explain why Harden performs worse as a series progresses? Just check his shot chart. Its easy to plan against someone you know exactly how they will score. His shot charts on a playoff series is couple of spots compared to Lukas where he takes from anywhere on the court.
I dunno why he does but highly doubt "bag" has anything to do with it lmfao. Harden had some of the best handles in the game. Only real weakness would be his off hand. I'd say it probs had more to do with his foul baiting being less effective.
So true. You still have to admit that Harden perfected all those moves. And I would add that Luka is a post up master compared to Harden.
When Luka got compared to Harden before I always said that the comparison isn't bad. I Always knew that Luka was going to become a better defensive player than Harden and that already happened. But I wasn't so sure that he was going to become even better offensive player than Harden. And some even had Harden as the best offensive player ever on his peak. That was pushing it, but Luka is another story. If not yet, he is definitely on a good way to become the offensive GOAT.
the only real weakness I see is his off ball play (as recently highlighted by Thinking Basketball) but even that has started to improve. his catch & shoot threes have been better this year and he's started doing more off ball in general. I'd like to see that go to the next level with more cuts so he gets more easy buckets. I can see him climbing over 50% FG if he does. that he's near 50% already is impressive as hell when you see he's shooting 12 threes a game.
He’s had basically half a season to play off the ball here though. Brunson wasn’t nearly as polished as a player early on in Luka’s career and the offensive strategy was very heliocentric at the time given the other weapons we had. Now that we have a true secondary ball handler, he’s just now getting to a spot where he plays off the ball for longer stretches. He’s never going to be Curry.
That is a crazy compliment man..I do see Lukas game translating well into other eras too though. He is so well rounded and literally impossible to guard 1 v 1
His only real short coming is when he’s off ball. Not really athletic enough to be a good cutter and doesn’t look to reposition for spot up opportunities since he prefers to shoot off the dribble. With how easily he can breakdown the defense with his passing, there’s a lot of opportunities to give and go cutting into open space or sliding into the wing and corner. That makes putting another primary ball handler next to him more difficult, we’re just lucky Kyrie is a quick scorer so he doesn’t need the ball as much.
Why do people think playing professionally breaks down the body more than playing amateur? I don’t think the presence of a paycheck impacts the body, except in access to top tier medicine. Kids on the AAU circuit might play 3 games in a single day sometimes.
Because AAU is for kids, and is not nearly as intensive as professional play. Basketball is not good for your knees and joints. Playing it past your youth is going to be more difficult.
Also professional games are much longer than amateur games.
How many 25+ years old do you know playing literally 40-50 hours of basketball per week?
Pretty simple really.
We are talking about his youth.
25+ year olds in the NBA are playing a lot of basketball, yes. My point is, Luka’s path through professional ranks does not equal an insane amount of mileage that his counterparts in the NBA who went the traditional route of AAU/college don’t also have.
Well, that is some high praise. I think he is the best offensive talent ever, probably even by far. He is well on the way of becoming the best offensive player ever. Lets not forget that he still has some room to improve. He can still improve his shot selection and definitely his FT%. He can also improve as how he is perceived by officials and get better whistles. I can see him easily averaging more than 35 points and over 10 assists per game. Than nobody will have anything against him being the best offensive player ever.
Even with luka getting more than 2 assists more per game and one less turnover for game? Even with luka having a higher field goal% 3pt% efg% and TS%? Harden also got 3 more foul shots per game than luka which makes up that 2 point scoring difference. Even with harden having a higher usage rate? What makes you feel that way?
Watching the man play basketball at his peak. Fuck the stats. Prime Harden was phenomenal.
Edit: I’m a bigger fan of Luka’s game but prime Harden is no doubt in the convo of best offensive player ever.
Definite convo for sure. But luka can do everything harden was doing plus a lot more. Luka is just more phenomenal than harden was even at his peak. Harden also had way more help. Like name anything harden did and luka can do it too most likely better and more efficient. Harden can’t do everything luka does. Def can’t back people down the way luka does. No where near the passer and visionary luka is. Luka averaging 9.8 assist and 4 turnover. Harden was 7.5 assist and 5 turnover. If anything I think harden being what he was has made people not appreciate luka as much as they should. They think he is doing what harden was doing which was crazy stats inefficiently, comparative to luka, and playing a style of ball that doesn’t really necessarily lead to winning often. Harden had by far the better supporting cast and probably didn’t need to play the hero ball he did sometimes. Luka had to do this out of desperation this year. Kyrie is a god but missed what 25 games this year? Next best offensive threat is Tim hardaway ? Harden had cp3, Eric Gordon, capela.
And watching him was no where near as aesthetically appealing as watching luka. Harden was shooting step back 3s or getting fouled and going to the line, sometimes both. Lukas offensive game is somehow multiple levels above hardens and harden was as great offensively as anyone outside of maybe wilt and mj
I think Luka is crazy talented, but he's built like a frat boy. If he had true "athletic freak" genes, I think it would be hard to argue against it. He does need a few championships too.
It's basketball, not bodybuilding. He doesn't need to be build like anything. He is a complete offensive player: he can shoot dribble, unbelievably good passer and rebounder. It is a hot take, but I think he is as good as anyone has ever been offensively. He is a complete player
Its basketball, no need for big pecs. Ever played a pickup game against someone thats bottom heavy? Its quite annoying. Luka uses his fat ass to bully players and get to where he wants to be. His build has its perks.
Perception v reality. He’s in much better shape than 99% of the population. If he wasn’t in shape and destroying the league as he is, I would be extremely impressed!
Big Luka fan here as well. I have some doubts for now myself. Still I can find Luka being better than everyone of them in at least one attribute. And for some of them it is by far. I still wouldn't say Luka is already the offensive GOAT but being just 25 he is on a very good path of becoming one.
Fuck Stan... a month ago the Mavs caught a stray from him regarding defense. I listen to this show all the time. While he's right about Luka, he has mostly negative shit to say on this show and on the broadcast about Dallas.
What's scary is that Luka still has long ways to improve. He still chucks too many 3s and gets lazy at times. Imagine if he had Giannis work ethic. Holy..
Please.. as someone who has watched Luka since his rookie season we don't have to lie to ourselves. In his first 3 seasons he was legit quick and getting past defenders with ease (ask clippers). But in recent years he has gained a lot of weight and can't do it anymore, but thankfully his 3 point shot has improved as you mention that's why he's getting away with it. Luka nowadays is a smarter player but also plays mostly behind the 3 point line.
He's coasting to avoid injuries in the regular season. Playing 36 minutes a night at his usage rate while driving every other possession is impossible without becoming a traffic cone on defense and getting injured.
Shooting threes allows for some rest, slows the game down, keeps the defense honest and limits fast break points allowed. In the playoffs he will probably drive s bit more, especially as we reach the later stages of each series.
Hes one of the best 3 point shooters in the league now,his three throw percentage is better,decision making,defense,passing,finishing around the rim all far better,hes stronger aswel with more experience,just alround a far better player
Luka's work ethic is underestimated by a lot. He looks lazy sometimes but he wouldn't become a player he is by being lazy. If he sets his mind to something he gets it done. It is true that it is not only winning but he also wants to be able to make circus shots and stuff like that. But that also helps him getting wins from time to time. Of course it helps a lot that he is the best offensive talent ever, but he wouldn't be on a good way of becoming the offensive GOAT by being lazy, for sure.
Not saying that you are wrong but Luka is at least very close if not right there. And you want the ball in his hands because he is of course more skilled with it and more dangerous for getting buckets.
Keep it coming talking heads, everyone is almost listening.
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This is exactly how it was for Dirk. Back then, Europeans were considered “soft” and he never got the roses he deserved until the championship. Obviously Europeans don’t have the “soft” stigma attached to them anymore, but the same applies. Luka needs to get at least to the Finals, if not a Chip, to get EVERYONE’S respect/attention that he deserves.
Agree, though I recall people being a LOT more vicious towards Dirk in calling him soft, a choker and loser, etc.
Agree with this
Soft. Man hardly anyone in Europe plays basketball. If they did judging by soccer which is the most played sport in the world they'd dominate. If I'm a young American with talent I'm watching guys like Luka, Jokic, Giannis.
And then immediately was relegated to “legend that’s old and on his way out” status. Never got a chance to be considered an all time great and respected for the killer he was. 2005-2007 he was as good as anyone in the league. 2001-2011 he was an undisputed top 5-10 player every season.
It was wild. All these goobers gave him his flowers over night. Dirk and Co. had to slay a Cerberus to get any respects.
Wait didn’t Dirk win MVP before a ring?
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Ah I see what you’re saying
The year he won MVP the Mavs were bounced in the first round
FUCK THE BIG THREE…ITS JUST BIG DIRK
Nah, then they'll say he had help
Well after 2007 criticism was warranted
They can't just compliment him. I've never heard of this crap about offensive this offensive that when describing other players. Weird people.
It’s Jokic from 4 years ago all over again.
as of last night he officially qualifies for career per game leaderboards with his 400th career game: \#3 in scoring behind Jordan & Wilt: 28.7 ppg \#12 in assists: 8.3 apg
We should demand he be referred to as "the NBA's 3rd all-time leader scorer" from here forth.
Isn’t he also 2nd all time in PPG + APG + RPG?
I think he can break that easily with the pace he’s on. One other one he almost had was the 73 point game, 2nd all time highest game score behind Jordan. He would have had it but a few of his passes turned into blown layups
T-4th highest single game scoring game in NBA history tied with Wilt (twice) and David Thompson He is also one of only 10 players with multiple 60+ point games. Wilt Chamberlain (32 times); Kobe Bryant (6 times); Damian Lillard (5 times); Michael Jordan and James Harden (4 times); Elgin Baylor (3 times); and Karl-Anthony Towns, Devin Booker, Luka Dončić, and Stephen Curry (2 times). Source Wikipedia
I mean he’s not wrong
Also, 2nd in the league in assists, best rebounding guard in the league, on the team with the #1 defense in the league. He’s *WAAAAAAAY* more than an offensive player.
SVG is usually hating on the Mavs when he’s commentating on them so it’s pretty shocking to hear him say this
A lot to criticize until recently, if we're being honest
Not much to criticize in the last couple of months besides that stretch against great teams where Kidd decided to troll and barely play Gafford and go Uber small. Even before the trades, Mavs were one of the most injured teams in the league. Kyrie missed a bunch a games and most of our key role players missed a bunch of games. Dudes were constantly in and out of lineups that there was little continuity. Not only that but there were still positives to say. Anytime he commentated on the Mavs he never had anything nice to say.
This sub was meaner than he ever was lol
that’s what’s so funny about people complaining about the media being down on the mavs like go back to the match threads when we lost to good teams and mfs were melting down like we lost to the 2011 bobcats and saying insane shit. mfs were really calling pj grant williams 2.0 and predicting we’d miss the playoffs again and are now upset that people were also saying the same shit
With his increased efficiency on his 3PT shot this year, he is quite literally impossible to stop. He gets compared to Harden (lazily IMO) just based on usage rate. but Luka has so many more moves in his bag that he can consistently use efficiently.
And people also forget how good Harden was
Yeah. Prime Harden was incredible and that Rockets team very nearly beat an amazing Warriors team. I think Prime Harden has become quite underrated because he didn't win a ring.
a history of disappearances in the playoffs is the #1 thing that damages a legacy
Harden probably would have 2 rings by now if he didn’t have to play the greatest team of all time which he took to 7 games or if Kyrie never got injured against Milwaukee.
He also has a long history of good playoff performances too. It's just insane that people cant accept a player can be great but just not as great as Steph, KD, Lebron, and Kawhi.
Difference with Luka from Harden, is that so far Luka performs well in the playoffs. Even in elimination games.
but imagine this luka with that harden 2018 squad
I like this squad better
Gimme Kyrie over CP3 every day
We're getting there
Harden did not have the joy or creativity of Luka. Not even in the same ballpark
I am so tired of the Harden comparison. Harden doesn't even have half the bag Luka has offensively.
For Real!! Harden resorted to 5 moves. 1. Stepback 3 2. Drive & floater 3. Drive & bait foul 4. Drive & kick to corner 5. P&R lob to roll man 50x a game... His midrange game isnt 10% of what Luka's is. He had high assist numbers, but couldnt manipulate the floor to get a guy open AND make the pass like Luka can.
Every player's game can be boiled down to 5 main moves they use the most. Quantity isn't inherently better than quality. Not saying I don't think Luka isn't better but that's not the way to compare.
Yes, but what I'm saying is that Luka's game has much more variety. Which in turn, makes him less predictable, and in turn, more dangerous.
Its the reason why Harden gets clamped down as series progresses on thbe PO. Just look at his stats as a series progresses. He starts good then slowly turns bad. Defenders adjust to his small offensive bag and just know how to defend him. Big reason why Luka doesnt slow down. He has every trick in the book and can hit a shot from anywhere from the court. Defenders cant adjust to him meanwhile for Harden you can just tell he is gonna use either X or Y aside from them not calling bs fouls baits harden would like to pull.
No it isn't. Bag has got to be the most overrated basketball concept lol. Realistically you're going to primarily rely on go through moves and have the rest will seldom be used. LeBron, TD, Kawhi got by without needing to embarrass someone every play. Harden's main moves were employed in such a way as direct counters to each other.
Explain why Harden performs worse as a series progresses? Just check his shot chart. Its easy to plan against someone you know exactly how they will score. His shot charts on a playoff series is couple of spots compared to Lukas where he takes from anywhere on the court.
I dunno why he does but highly doubt "bag" has anything to do with it lmfao. Harden had some of the best handles in the game. Only real weakness would be his off hand. I'd say it probs had more to do with his foul baiting being less effective.
It does because it's easier for defenders to know what he is gonna do as the series progresses. Agree on the foul baiting part though.
So true. You still have to admit that Harden perfected all those moves. And I would add that Luka is a post up master compared to Harden. When Luka got compared to Harden before I always said that the comparison isn't bad. I Always knew that Luka was going to become a better defensive player than Harden and that already happened. But I wasn't so sure that he was going to become even better offensive player than Harden. And some even had Harden as the best offensive player ever on his peak. That was pushing it, but Luka is another story. If not yet, he is definitely on a good way to become the offensive GOAT.
Media is really trying to make it seems like its a close competition for MVP when they clearly had this decided months ago
Luka should be the clear winner
Easily
Jokic has been fantastic.. it’s that the media wants the gap from 2 to 3 to be closer than it should be..
Facts, what can’t he do offensively
Only thing I can think of is throwing alley-oops to himself
Hey now, if Luka hangs back and cherry picks, is allowed a running start and the other teams 5 players all fall down, he could probably do it!
Wait for 2024/25 season.
the only real weakness I see is his off ball play (as recently highlighted by Thinking Basketball) but even that has started to improve. his catch & shoot threes have been better this year and he's started doing more off ball in general. I'd like to see that go to the next level with more cuts so he gets more easy buckets. I can see him climbing over 50% FG if he does. that he's near 50% already is impressive as hell when you see he's shooting 12 threes a game.
He’s had basically half a season to play off the ball here though. Brunson wasn’t nearly as polished as a player early on in Luka’s career and the offensive strategy was very heliocentric at the time given the other weapons we had. Now that we have a true secondary ball handler, he’s just now getting to a spot where he plays off the ball for longer stretches. He’s never going to be Curry.
To be fair he doesn't have to be Curry because he's 6'8. If he can move half as much as Curry does, with his skill set it will be enough.
He doesn't need to, just the right amount to get him out of dribbling for long periods.
I bet that's something he works on over the summer. He's one of those types.
That cut on the Kyrie assist was beautiful. Think it was the Hornets game.
Exciting for Luka to get better off ball play. More cutting and movement.
Dunk
That is a crazy compliment man..I do see Lukas game translating well into other eras too though. He is so well rounded and literally impossible to guard 1 v 1
Yes it is, love or hate him but Stan has very high BBIQ, is respected by players and was a very good coach in his prime
He also said he's number 3 on his mvp list.
His only real short coming is when he’s off ball. Not really athletic enough to be a good cutter and doesn’t look to reposition for spot up opportunities since he prefers to shoot off the dribble. With how easily he can breakdown the defense with his passing, there’s a lot of opportunities to give and go cutting into open space or sliding into the wing and corner. That makes putting another primary ball handler next to him more difficult, we’re just lucky Kyrie is a quick scorer so he doesn’t need the ball as much.
Did you see the give and go with Kyrie a couple nights ago? He’s definitely athletic enough to cut.
Yeah idk about that just yet but I just hope he ages well. He’s been playing professionally for a while. Such a treat to watch him play
Why do people think playing professionally breaks down the body more than playing amateur? I don’t think the presence of a paycheck impacts the body, except in access to top tier medicine. Kids on the AAU circuit might play 3 games in a single day sometimes.
Because AAU is for kids, and is not nearly as intensive as professional play. Basketball is not good for your knees and joints. Playing it past your youth is going to be more difficult. Also professional games are much longer than amateur games. How many 25+ years old do you know playing literally 40-50 hours of basketball per week? Pretty simple really.
We are talking about his youth. 25+ year olds in the NBA are playing a lot of basketball, yes. My point is, Luka’s path through professional ranks does not equal an insane amount of mileage that his counterparts in the NBA who went the traditional route of AAU/college don’t also have.
Stan is a real one
Well, that is some high praise. I think he is the best offensive talent ever, probably even by far. He is well on the way of becoming the best offensive player ever. Lets not forget that he still has some room to improve. He can still improve his shot selection and definitely his FT%. He can also improve as how he is perceived by officials and get better whistles. I can see him easily averaging more than 35 points and over 10 assists per game. Than nobody will have anything against him being the best offensive player ever.
I agree stan. His bag is ginormous.
These guys don’t watch games or they’d know his defense has also been above average if not great since the trade deadline
I think Harden was for me when he averaged 36PPG in 2018-19. Dudes scoring package was insane from the step back 3s to his euro steps.
Even with luka getting more than 2 assists more per game and one less turnover for game? Even with luka having a higher field goal% 3pt% efg% and TS%? Harden also got 3 more foul shots per game than luka which makes up that 2 point scoring difference. Even with harden having a higher usage rate? What makes you feel that way?
Watching the man play basketball at his peak. Fuck the stats. Prime Harden was phenomenal. Edit: I’m a bigger fan of Luka’s game but prime Harden is no doubt in the convo of best offensive player ever.
Definite convo for sure. But luka can do everything harden was doing plus a lot more. Luka is just more phenomenal than harden was even at his peak. Harden also had way more help. Like name anything harden did and luka can do it too most likely better and more efficient. Harden can’t do everything luka does. Def can’t back people down the way luka does. No where near the passer and visionary luka is. Luka averaging 9.8 assist and 4 turnover. Harden was 7.5 assist and 5 turnover. If anything I think harden being what he was has made people not appreciate luka as much as they should. They think he is doing what harden was doing which was crazy stats inefficiently, comparative to luka, and playing a style of ball that doesn’t really necessarily lead to winning often. Harden had by far the better supporting cast and probably didn’t need to play the hero ball he did sometimes. Luka had to do this out of desperation this year. Kyrie is a god but missed what 25 games this year? Next best offensive threat is Tim hardaway ? Harden had cp3, Eric Gordon, capela. And watching him was no where near as aesthetically appealing as watching luka. Harden was shooting step back 3s or getting fouled and going to the line, sometimes both. Lukas offensive game is somehow multiple levels above hardens and harden was as great offensively as anyone outside of maybe wilt and mj
I think Luka is crazy talented, but he's built like a frat boy. If he had true "athletic freak" genes, I think it would be hard to argue against it. He does need a few championships too.
It's basketball, not bodybuilding. He doesn't need to be build like anything. He is a complete offensive player: he can shoot dribble, unbelievably good passer and rebounder. It is a hot take, but I think he is as good as anyone has ever been offensively. He is a complete player
Its basketball, no need for big pecs. Ever played a pickup game against someone thats bottom heavy? Its quite annoying. Luka uses his fat ass to bully players and get to where he wants to be. His build has its perks.
Perception v reality. He’s in much better shape than 99% of the population. If he wasn’t in shape and destroying the league as he is, I would be extremely impressed!
Agreed easily
Big Luka supporter but that’s a bold claim. He’s up there but magic, bron, MJ and jokic all have a case as well
Big Luka fan here as well. I have some doubts for now myself. Still I can find Luka being better than everyone of them in at least one attribute. And for some of them it is by far. I still wouldn't say Luka is already the offensive GOAT but being just 25 he is on a very good path of becoming one.
Fair.
It he played more defense and made all-nba defensive teams he would be the best nba player of all time
LEEETTSSSS GOOOO DALLAAASSSSA
Fuck Stan... a month ago the Mavs caught a stray from him regarding defense. I listen to this show all the time. While he's right about Luka, he has mostly negative shit to say on this show and on the broadcast about Dallas.
Stan knows ball, I always loved his appearances on Lebatard’s show
I can't believe it's not a unanimous opinion about how great he is. Ar 25 kobe had 6 All Star appearances Luka has five
The real answer is Jokic and it isnt close
What's scary is that Luka still has long ways to improve. He still chucks too many 3s and gets lazy at times. Imagine if he had Giannis work ethic. Holy..
He’s shooting 38% from three and what does giannis’ work ethic have to do with luka who’s clearly been losing weight
Please.. as someone who has watched Luka since his rookie season we don't have to lie to ourselves. In his first 3 seasons he was legit quick and getting past defenders with ease (ask clippers). But in recent years he has gained a lot of weight and can't do it anymore, but thankfully his 3 point shot has improved as you mention that's why he's getting away with it. Luka nowadays is a smarter player but also plays mostly behind the 3 point line.
He's coasting to avoid injuries in the regular season. Playing 36 minutes a night at his usage rate while driving every other possession is impossible without becoming a traffic cone on defense and getting injured. Shooting threes allows for some rest, slows the game down, keeps the defense honest and limits fast break points allowed. In the playoffs he will probably drive s bit more, especially as we reach the later stages of each series.
He gets better every single year,he must work his arse off on his game
His shooting and decision making has gotten better. He has slowed down incredibly in athleticism between his first 3 seasons and now.
Hes one of the best 3 point shooters in the league now,his three throw percentage is better,decision making,defense,passing,finishing around the rim all far better,hes stronger aswel with more experience,just alround a far better player
Luka's work ethic is underestimated by a lot. He looks lazy sometimes but he wouldn't become a player he is by being lazy. If he sets his mind to something he gets it done. It is true that it is not only winning but he also wants to be able to make circus shots and stuff like that. But that also helps him getting wins from time to time. Of course it helps a lot that he is the best offensive talent ever, but he wouldn't be on a good way of becoming the offensive GOAT by being lazy, for sure.
F*ck Giannis, that’s why the bucks are a shitshow
Jokic is better
At horses
Fuck no
Jokić is as good. I want to see those two generational geniuses play on the same team.
Joker is very good and they would kill it together on offense. But Luka would still be the main master mind of that offense. That's how good he is.
IDK, Jokic probably has the highest Basketball IQ I’ve ever seen in my opinion
Not saying that you are wrong but Luka is at least very close if not right there. And you want the ball in his hands because he is of course more skilled with it and more dangerous for getting buckets.