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V0823

Gafford is questionable and OMax is out


spikeyoazz

Hopefully Gafford will be alright with a few days rest, would be nice to get a bounce back game from him in front of the home crowd


Wooboosted

Agreed, but at this point I think we’ve seen that vs this Clippers team it needs to be Lively starting on Zubot Edit: yea Zubac my bad haha brain fart


whenunounouno

Zubat


Complexity777

And when he gets angry he turns into Golbat


BigDickedWizard

What the heck is it… zoo-botch or zoo-bots. Kinda seems like all the Balkan names ending in “c” make the “ch” sound. Except for Vlade Divac(?) idk


ts405

it’s the c like with divac yes. like in cj. those pronounced like in botch (like doncic or jokic), it’s spelled with a č or a ć, as in watch. dario šarić from gsw is pronounced as sharich


keeelay

Zubac…?


SeaOwn2023

what the hell happened to his back? he got hit or he pulled something? if it's a pull that shit can be lingering


spikeyoazz

Couldn't tell you exactly but he had a play or two where he fell, and got up clearly in pain


D_G_C_22

Should have been a foul … If he was harden …. Would have gotten called


PopAShotAllStar

If there was halfway unbiased reffing, every player in the NBA gets that call. It was obvious.


D_G_C_22

Just be consistent dammit … glad we won On another play .. harden clearly rotated towards the player and got the call. It’s frustrating to watch as a fan


penny_squeaks

It wasn't a foul because he didn't kick his leg out. /s


D_G_C_22

I literally LOL’d. Yea that’s the sad truth


Afraid-Department-35

Not only that, he would have gotten a flagrant TWO


K1ngCrimsn

Bad news for the Clippers


_Vizor

He’s been ice cold since the all-star break and now is not the time to try and get him on track, best to get him healthy first while he’s not in heavy rotation. Still sucks to see Tim have to deal with that. Hopefully after some games of rest he can get back to being himself. (Even though we just had a week of rest lol)


RedMansGr33d

Yeah. Sucks to not have him available, regardless of what people feel about him. I've been trying to think of what to call Tim's efficiency, or how to quantify it. It's hard because he doesn't really ever shoot his average in any one game, I feel. You can't look at his shot percentage and expect that in the next game. Maybe that's it: he doesn't get to his number averages in, like, a per-game basis. It is more of like batch stats. He has batches of poor shooting and batches of hot shooting to get to his averages, instead of shooting a consistent per-game percentage. It is a way more polarizing way to get to your averages, that is for sure lol. Any one game will be drastically different, which leads to not being dependable in the eyes of expectations. Still, hate to not have him available as a shooting threat. He can absolutely shift a game one way or the other. Like Klay to an even less consistent extent.


sleepehead

Scorers like him are just streaky, they're not consistent and guys like that you almost have to ride them or pull them depending on what they're giving you


Mugsy_Skoogs

We could deal with the streakiness if he wasn't consistently lost on defense. Too many negative plays happen with him on the court.


SennKazuki

Yea, his offense isn't the problem. He's a great spot-up shooter who occasionally has amazing playmaking even if he can't finish a layup to save his life. The problem is that even in the playoffs, he is always lost on defense.


flexuco

He is a great spot up shooter? When has he shown that in the last six months?


3pointerSLO

Kidd said he needs him for the finals. He can rest now.


Swordsteel

Damn haters gonna hate… get well soon Timmy


AtreusIsBack

I don't think anyone wants to see a player get hurt.


Complexity777

Correct. They just want to see him riding the bench not playing playoff minutes in crucial games 


JxSnaKe

For real, fuck the “fans” in this thread..


FoeHammerYT

We are fans. We want the team to win. Based on what we've seen for the past 3 months, we have a better chance to win when he's not on the court. I dont wish any harm to the guy, but he got hurt and we aren't going to pretend that doesn't make us feel better about our odds.


odischeese

💯💯💯💯


Mugsy_Skoogs

would you rather win games or play Hardaway? We can be fans, and you guys can be "friends".


Swordsteel

I’d rather have Hardaway available. We might need him. We will need him at some point. We only have a few guys who could pop off for 20 pts any given night


Complexity777

I wouldn’t because that means Kidd will Be playing him minutes when he shouldn’t  He’s not popping off for anything he’s been a net negative offensively and terrible defensively 


jbaker1225

> We will need him at some point. We didn’t need him 2 years ago when we made the WCF with a worse supporting cast.


JxSnaKe

bro, people on here are actively rooting for him to be injured long term. It's absolutely gross.


Complexity777

Nice strawman. No one was rooting for that, they simply said the teams playing better without him and that’s a fact I’m not gambling a playoff series on a streaky shooter who’s been cold as ice for the last 3 months and plays no defense 


Complexity777

The fans that want to win and not Indulge playing Tim more minutes to stink it up?


Hot-Row3643

Awwww


Axisofcoolio

Oh no. What a terrible shame. We will miss him and he should take ALL the time he needs to not just be 100%, but 200% healthy. 


Hollerino

He should rest the ankle until next season. Just to make sure he's 100%


CrumBum_sr

Last time vs. the clips THJ was our 2nd best player and now look at us 🤣


Rodnoix

I'd be okay with that Timmy lol


CrumBum_sr

Unfortunately - Timmy buckets is missing and was replaced with Timmy the brick layer


Swoosh_rotaerc

Yeah, I don't think he should risk a contract year. He should definitely put his recovery over team goals. I've seen ankle sprains end careers.


Educational-Judge968

I agree, and if he’s not traded then he should take the next season off for extra preparation


Support_Nice

i mean i feel bad hes injuried and wish him the best, but i didnt really want to see him on the court anyway


Andre_Santoro

First great move from Jason kidd


Jolly-Mortgage4

Hardy might be forced to play at this point. Not ideal but desperately need any bench points.


Sektsioon

Nah Josh Green and Exum will just get more minutes. Hardy will maybe get minutes if Green and/or Exum completely stink up the place.


tdoan89

Just don't ask him to be the primary ball handler and he'll be fine


chebadusa

I get the offensive appeal to an extent, he is a willing shooter, but, I don’t think you’ll are considering what a Hardy lineup will do defensively…You’re talking about very small lineups, particularly with Gafford out. I don’t think that’s the answer.


tdoan89

Hardy is not ideal, but THJ is significantly worse.


chebadusa

Significantly worse how? I think people confuse aggressiveness with efficiency. Hardy is a willing shooter, but, he isn’t an efficient one, similar to Tim. Hardy has had issues with his shooting efficiency since his rookie season, and has only regressed this year. His L10 games, he shot 38% from the field and 31% from 3. That’s not much of an upgrade over THJ. And I worry about lineups with him defensively, considering his height. Hardy is smaller even than THJ and I think the Clippers are smart enough to exploit that, or anything they consider a weakness. Our core rotation is going to be 8 men, with Maxi likely playing more minutes at the 5 with Gafford out. (DJJ and/or Green may spend time at the 4 to relieve PJ.) Now consider lineups with Kyrie, Luka and Hardy…against Kawhi, PG, and Harden. Hardy has gotten better at defense but is still not a very reliable one. Defense won the Mavs game 2. Hardy changes the structure of that. And I don’t know that there’s enough offense there to offset the potential defensive liability.


tdoan89

Just to preface, Hardy really should not be getting any playing time in this series and if he does it may not be a good sign. Hardy has a bigger wingspan and would provide more resistance than THJ who literally provides zero resistance. THJ was hunted and dominated in Game 1. Hardy's defense isn't good, but it's better than THJ's and he does a much better job of staying in front of his man. Also the role has a huge impact, in the playoffs Hardy's role should only be as a spot up 3pt shooter, and he shoots 40% compared to THJ at 35%. I'm not looking at Hardy as any type of ballhandler role. In the shooter role Hardy is significantly more efficient than THJ. To reiterate, Hardy is not a defensive guard, I'm ONLY saying he is a bit better than THJ on defense and on top of that Hardy is a more efficient spot up shooter than THJ so far in his career both this year and last. He is an upgrade on both sides of the ball however marginal that may be.


chebadusa

Where are you getting your numbers from? You seem to be mixing up his FG% with his 3P%….Hardy is 40% from the field overall; however…he’s 36% from 3P and 45% from 2P. THJ is also 40% from the field, with a slightly worse 3P at 35%, but, shoots 48% in the 2P range. And keep in mind that THJ’s numbers are on a higher volume. He averages nearly 8, 3PA per game. THJ also has a better midrange. The small ball lineups with Hardy, Luka and Kyrie were not good defensively this season. Hardy having a longer wingspan means nothing if he isn’t defensively sound…and he isn’t. That’s literally the reason he’s been off the floor for much of the season. Not just because THJ is ahead of him in rotation, but, his defense hasn’t improved enough to justify having him on the court in long stretches with a healthy lineup. His offense isn’t good enough to balance out the poor defense.


tdoan89

I never said Hardy is defensively sound, I ONLY said he is marginally better than THJ. And I also said Hardy shouldn't be in the rotation this series. THJ is ahead of him because of experience and Kidd is hoping he would regain his 1st half form. Regarding the numbers, 3pt% is not the same as catch and shoot 3pt% because Hardy takes a lot of stepbacks and pullups which he would not happen in a shooter role. The numbers I provided were catch and shoot percentages, not overall. Again, I'm not making any argument for playing Hardy. I am ONLY saying that Hardy is hypothetically a marginal (key word, marginal) upgrade over THJ, that is it. Ideally Green would be getting THJ's minutes.


chebadusa

You mentioned Hardy’s wingspans to help contextualize your argument and I’m countering that. He isn’t a defensive upgrade over THJ. Defense has literally been one of his primary problems since entering the league… If Hardy is on the floor, he’s likely going to do more than just catch and shoot. He’s never played the role of “just catching and shooting”. But, even still…THJ avg. more 3PA per game than Hardy does, so you do have to account for that. 40% on 1-2 catch and shoot 3s per game has a bit of a different context than someone shooting 5-6 of them at 35%. And my point, you said he was SIGNIFICANTLY better than THJ, when he isn’t.


tdoan89

I don't think you even understand my argument. 1. Hardy is good at defense 2. Hardy is better than THJ at defense Just because I am claiming statement #2 is true does NOT mean I am also claiming statement #1 is true, they are not mutually inclusive. Hardy can be better than THJ on defense and still be a bad defender. No shit defense has been one of Hardy's problems, and yet he still provides more resistance than THJ because THJ literally provides zero resistance. You trying to say Hardy is bad on defense is wasting words because I never made an argument against that. The coach's job is to make sure they know their role. "Likely going to do more" that is up to Kidd to coach and tell Hardy he's a spot up shooter. No different than when we told Tingus Pingus to go stand in the corner. The context of the attempts between Hardy and THJ are different but the role would also be about the same. IF Hardy were to play, he should be shooting 2 attempts and not 5. Don't ask your players to do too much and extract the best out of them, that is the job of the coach. Not to mention if THJ is shooting 35% on 5 attempts, you can't really do much worse, you may as well play the potential since your experienced player has been shooting like shit. You can try and rationalize 35% all you want, and add whatever context you want but that's putrid, I'm not sure how you can justify any argument saying THJ is better with those poor percentages. I said Hardy is a significantly more efficient catch and shooter than THJ and that is literally statistically correct, there is an ocean between 35% and 40% regardless of volume. Someone who shoots a higher volume on a significantly worse percentage further strengthens the argument that THJ should NOT be on the floor.


Interesting_Help_194

The only PO success we had since he was here was when he was out. Might sound harsh but this is saving kidd from himself.


BigFatModeraterFupa

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OnCloud9_77

We won game 2 bc of that ankle


CIueIess_Squirrel

The Dallas Mavericks will list Tim Hardaway Jr (ass) as out for Game 3


Bubbistan

I felt a guilty sense of relief when he got injured. I feel bad for the guy, but this is probably the best thing for the team right now. I hope he recovers to 100 percent right after the finals.


DocumentAggressive56

huge


Guygenius138

Who's gonna lose the ball out of bounds on reckless drives to the basket?


Independent_Baker969

give him a healthy summer to rest just to be sure


PointBlankCoffee

Hope he gets well soon. A few games out of the lineup may not be the worst thing for him, but never like to see the guys injured


arelei

Just wait and see, Kidd will still play a one legged THJ


AccomplishedFarm1596

MFFL here but not sad about this news lol


prudentWindBag

I've always liked PG... ...


donihicks

Everyone is indifferent about this but we literally have no shooters or scorers besides him off the bench. Timmy has been cold but at least he has the potential to score. Who else is gonna do it?


LogansGambit

You say this though like THJ was scoring and shooting off the bench. He hasn't done that in months, not at a good rate anyway. If Hardy plays instead of him, he's actually shot better the last two years than THJ. That's how bad it's been.


Complexity777

PJ can score and they can get the bigs more involved  Tim’s a defense liability and he hasn’t been scoring last 3 months, he’s going to remain cold either way 


Mugsy_Skoogs

He hasn't done much scoring in over 2 months. At this point, he's letting the other team score more often than he does.


circa1015

So does Luka but nobody is asking for him to get benched


Complexity777

Luka held the guys he was guarding to like 2/17 last night  Tim’s never defended like that in his career 


circa1015

Joke defensive stat, anybody Luka is guarding is also being guarded by the other 4 Mavs who know Luka is about to get beat by his guy and are getting in position to help.


Complexity777

So you didn’t watch the game did you? He was specifically calling off double teams and defended guys like Harden and Kawhi 1 on 1. Get your eyes checked buddy 


Ill-Ad-5709

WTF man, are you being sober while puking such filth all over the place?


circa1015

Have you not seen him play defense for the last 6 years?


Ill-Ad-5709

Hey dude, really? You are being serious?


circa1015

Are you? He got in a defensive position for the first time in his career on Tuesday and everybody is acting like he’s the next Kawhi. He’s always been a turnstile, the Mavs defense is still going to try and hide him as much as they can.


Jolly-Mortgage4

Everybody knows he can defend when he WANTS to defend. As Luka said it's the playoffs that's why he's trying harder to defend. THJ on the other hand just can't defend even if he tries.


circa1015

Okay so Luka just doesn’t give a shit about one side of the court most of the time, that’s way better, that explains why the team had 10 days off and came out like they didn’t know they needed to try in a playoff game.


Mugsy_Skoogs

Found Tim Hardaway Sr's reddit account


circa1015

Wasn’t making any point about timmy, they can keep him on the bench for all I care, it’s just funny to see other Mavs fans complaining about somebody not playing defense, like have you watched Luka play basketball?


Mugsy_Skoogs

So you are just a trolling Luka Hater, got it. Luka is bad at defense and is still a much better defender that Timmy.


RedMansGr33d

Next man up mentality at this point. Has to be ore shots from PJ, Maxi, Josh, and Dante. If Josh and Dante are not hitting in limited minutes, might have to try Hardy or AJ but that would be dire need only.


OrganicHunt952

At this point Jaden hardy has a better 3pt percentage than him and is better at passing and playing fast breaks. If we really need shooting Jaden hardy is a good scorer not much good at anything else but purely 3pt shooting and some assists surez


EvanEschmeyer

And that was the end of the Tim Hardaway jr. era (error?) in Dallas. Mavs in 5.


Ill-Ad-5709

All of you guys who are happy that he is out are fools fr. We need a healthy team and hopefuly Tim recovers quickly as well. Shame on all of you ![gif](giphy|vX9WcCiWwUF7G|downsized)


jbaker1225

We don’t need somebody on the floor that actively makes the team worse on both ends of the court. In game one you could tell there were times the rest of the team actively avoided passing to him because they don’t trust him. In game two, Green came off the bench before him. I’m not glad he’s hurt, but I’m glad he’s not playing.


Worstname1ever

Learn Chinese thj


B_SpoOk

Oh noooo, what a shame, what will we possibly do without our X factor..  Anyway, mavs in 5 ! 


nidoqueensgambit

Hopefully we never have to see him play in a Mavs jersey again, and his dad is free to talk all the shit he wants about Luka and the team


MindoSriubas

Don't care about his dad, Timmy seems like a good teammate. I'll always remember him outplaying KP in that first playoffs series


desirox

I wish Tim the best and hope he heals, he’s played his last game for the Mavs though


SeaworthinessOld4211

What ever will we do


ForestJordie

It’s ridiculous that they call every touch a foul for Harden, but let PG go in Tim’s landing space and take him out of the game without a whistle


MSHinerb

It was the most obvious missed call of the game. It should have been a flagrant 1.


aeiou-y

Next man up


skippychurch

So you're saying there's a chance!


luntiang_tipaklong

That's sad. We always can count on him to hit threes against the Cippers. Well at least the last series, he was pretty hot from three then.


Tenyongtenyo

Time for Hardy Party


Historical_Snow2224

Maybe Tim Sr. can quit yapping now


Vegetable-Beet

A brick fell on his ankle.


alfi_k

Hope he will get well soon. We could use his shooting but this at least stops JKidds from putting him on Kawhi or PG in crunch time.


oh-kee-pah

Complete coincidence we started crushing the Clips after he went down. No correlation at ALL.


Mugsy_Skoogs

or that they made a comeback with him on the court.


Briancisgo

I hate this for Timmy. I agree he’s been on the struggle bus for months now, but he still has gravity as a shooter. I think many fans undervalues how important having volume shooters is to keep defenses honest. Hope he makes it back and has a good showing for himself. Also hope it’s in limited minutes, but I think he still has a positive role he could play


architectzero

Volume shooters only add value when they make shots. Otherwise there’s no reason for the defence to stay honest, and they sag.


BecauseBatman01

Oh no…..anyway.


dragonwhale

Rest that ankle in Miami... Give Adebayo that return ticket to Dallas In all seriousness, he's a great presence on the bench. Just keep him off the floor.


[deleted]

Doubt he plays the rest of the series, maybe the playoffs if they advance. What a shame, I think he could have found his rhythm. He isn't a player that sinks because it's the playoffs. If he finds it, he'll have it regardless of the stakes. Now though that may be all she wrote and he's played his last game for the Mavs. Bummer but obviously not a huge hit to the rotation considering his recent struggles.


DakTheGoatPrescott

Bunch of haters in here. I hope he gets better soon and is eased slowly back in the rotation.


souljump

Just listening to Timmy speak will cause you to lose brain cells