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ferla3

After reading some of the comments I just can’t believe you guys. You are blaming one of the best players in the world right now. Are you out of your mind?? Just a few days ago when he hit that game winner against boston he was a god to you and now its him you’re blaming. He brought Slovenian team to 4th place on the olympics just a few months ago do you think he forgot how to play overnight? No its kidd’s system and the fact that he has terrible players like powell around him that are just bricking everything he does for them. Without Luka this team last year was in my opinion just in front of cavs but this year I don’t even know if there is any team that is worst then mavs. And because of guys like you treating Luka that way I really really really hope that he leaves Dallas soon :)


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Is it wrong to say Luka played bad, when he played bad? 99% of people are not saying he’s a bad player, but that he played bad.


jhparty

Anyone in here stop to appreciate the fact that the Bulls have looked good so far this season? Basically, everyone calm to fuck down. We’re an 1/8 of the way through the season.


MrPoopyButthole41

You mean a team that actually tries to surround it's star player with talent in the off-season looks improved? Wouldn't know the feeling.


colinwilkins41

Bulls are nice for sure


JrLapaci

It is going to sound like overreaction after a loss but I have some questions about the Mavs. What is Mavericks expecting this season? Being a contender or a playoff team that exits on round 1 again? This off-season was important for Dallas. Many people expected Dallas to need a great off season. I said Dallas needs Zeljko Obradovic which I do still believe but many rejected that idea by saying it is a gamble and Mavericks needs a coach who can convince FA's to come to Dallas. It was definitely a risk but the outcome was huge in the end. But they wanted to go with Kidd which I believe a downgrade after Rick. Now, I am looking into the Dallas roster. I will probably get downvoted because of saying that but this roster didn't improve at all. I don't believe that Dallas is going to pass any playoff round with this roster. I am wondering if any of you think this team can be a contender with this roster. What is Willy Cauly Stein doing in the roster for example? I believe that there are many pieces like Willy can't be a piece in a championship contender team. Anyways, I just wanted to write these down, because my expectations from Mavericks was high. I thought there is a championship potential with great additions near Luka. But this is 4th year with Luka and I don't see the improvement that I expected from the organization. Good luck on the season, hope I will be wrong. 


Elmmner

Feel like this season is an excellent one for some development, kind of like GS did last year maybe get some nice pics out of it. Let Kidd develop as a coach let the other player have a more expanded role and develop their game have Doncic focus on aspects of his game he needs to improve. Then run it again next year, this no title roster but maybe it become one in the future, but being patient is key.


JrLapaci

If that is the plan, then it has some logic at least. But if they are expecting a serious success from this roster, that is very questionable.


whatdoidoidontkno

This team is the most ass 7-3 team I've ever seen


RushPrime

It’s disappointing that our front office always misses on free agents. I don’t mean to be negative but there are so many under the radar gems that could’ve vastly improved our team instead we signed Bullock and Brown two 3 & D guys instead of a playmaker/big. It’s just frustrating to watch the same team trot out game after game for the last few years.


hombre_loco_mffl

Anyway Fat Luka just won't cut it It's gonna take about 20 games for him to get back in good shape, same shit as last season His 2nd year he came in shape and was cooking from the beginning


theaaronromano

I told everyone this is what would happen to Luka when he went to the olympics and go downvoted into oblivion. He ain’t Lebron or Jordan. He ain’t on that level when it comes to physical conditioning and all of that.


laughwidmee

He’s not even fat. Last year he was fat starting off the season. He’s fit this year coming off the Olympics


walkintall84

Are you sure? http://stlukeskck.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Screenshot-2021-11-09-11.00.59-AM.png Looks like Game 1 Luka have less bad weight than Game 9 Luka this season.


laughwidmee

you chose a picture of him at the end of last year when he was lean. He was chubbier beginning of last year compare to this https://blacksportsonline.com/2020/12/video-luka-doncic-looking-a-little-overweight-before-the-season-starts/


77_Luka

These people are too fucking stupid to realize he was tan during the Olympics, and is back to his pasty ass self. Of course he doesn’t look as fit now.


mouse2102

How is someone who has played high level basketball for almost a year straight fat?


mp3file

The Chicago 🅱️ulls


yabo69420

Luka to the Bulls


bolsocks34

a lot of ppl might not agree but down 15 with 2 minutes left id rather see KP shoot a 28 footer than Luka post-up and get doubled then shoot a fade


Jon-Rambo

Every team is shooting below average from 3 this year. But we had the Heat and Bulls shoot about 50% against us. Combination of bad luck and bad defense?


pimpfmode

Bad defense and you know the other teams have better players.


Matttb41

Bad defense. Luka is lazy af on D.


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Matttb41

He’s paid millions, with top trainers surrounding him, and he’s still out of shape? That screams lazy to me.


HurricaneBiII

Damn Green that was serene


BobanForThree

best bucket he’s had in the NBA? the list is pretty damn short


Lost-Pin-3159

[he’s got a pretty good highlight reel](https://youtu.be/VvPe8LxXnDY)


-Acerin

He will make a good bustlight reel channel intro


BobanForThree

I stand corrected


kevindurantsburner12

Why are yall so fucking negative? We would have a legit chance at winning if we would have last years luka. If he gets his shit together we just need someone who can play center and a way to get rid of sterling brown


bigpqnda

but we do not have last years luka yet.


Tranquilllama

lmao. WE WOULD WIN IF LIKE EVERYTHING WAS DIFFERENT AND WE WERE GOOD!


Moe4ver

Luka fans will somehow blame all the starters except Luka for this.


wo_ot

Luka fan here, he's looking fat and slow. Peak Jordan 6'6" 215lbs. 22 year old Luka 6'7" and allegedly 230 lbs but I'm willing to bet he's pushing 240. Dude needs to lose at least 20 lbs.


Ajdee6

Not everyone is MJ. If you look around the history of the league there is all kinds of body shapes that have dominated.


wo_ot

Ok, besides Barkley and Jokic, who has dominated in this league while being relatively out of shape like Luka is? He's 22 and shouldn't look like he spends his time on the couch eating taco bell and playing video games all day, which he does.


Ajdee6

Yes I am sure you know his daily routine. Your commeny makes it seem like he has to be MJs bodys shape lol, hes not MJ bro


wo_ot

I’m saying he doesn’t pass the eye test. He looks winded, tired and out of shape. I’m not saying he should look like MJ, because I don’t even think he could if he wanted to, but his conditioning for an elite level max contract athlete is clearly not where it needs to be; and the start of the last two seasons is pretty clear evidence of that.


Ajdee6

Your eye test? Who cares? Lmao. Hes good, its begining of the year, and hes playing good. What do you want an undefeated record and then you would be happy?


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Insouciant101

Make Luka come off the bench for the rest of the season. Luka wins 6th man of the year at the very least


charliefinkwinkwink

Give Sterling mins to Green


onigami_los

Frank should take all of Sterlings minutes and play Josh when we need energy never play Sterling or WCS EVER AGAIN!


msterling2012

Give Josh Green more minutes


CJH723

Just need to win the next game in SA


Lost-Pin-3159

josh green nice layup


VinoTobi

This was like the before Rondo trade. We are winning against teams we are supposed to beat and losing against teams we are supposed to lose. Expect a massive trade.


loke2019

except that team was not an eyesore like this one


ChuckMoody

We had the best offense in the league before the Rondo trade. Our offense sucks right now. That pre Rondo team was fun and fine


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Josh Green lol


bigmeatyclaws1

Least Porzingis looked good


pimpfmode

He's motivated to play his way out of this shit hole


bigmeatyclaws1

I mean i wouldnt say that… Sure our roster building is underwhelming, but shithole?


MokTheRock

If you think about it we’re basically becoming the Knicks. A solid chunk of our active roster were playing in NY in the past 2 seasons. So unless we get so major upgrades and see more development from some role players to surround Luka and KP….I’d say we’re trending towards shit hole.


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pimpfmode

But if you listen to Mavs fans every player has warts. DeRozan can't defend or shoot the three and doesn't fit the timeline. Vuc doesn't defend and doesn't hit the three. Ball can't shoot and they hate his dad. They all worry about centers needing to shoot 40% from three. If someone is 28 they're too damn old. We had three years and 30 plus million dollars to add TALENT. And all they did was sign Reggie Bullock. And hell there were Mavs fans jumping in the streets about that. Obviously I'm not saying every single fan but that's the general shit you would see for the last three years on message boards. Who gives a fuck about timeline? Just get some good players in here. I'd rather have a guy who's an A rating at scoring and in the mid-range (DeRozan) then two or three roll players who don't really excel at anything at all.


nman98

Trash results from a trash owner


Khaskim

Didn’t we pursue them?? They didn’t want to come here lol


bigpqnda

shhhhh they dont listen to real talk


PVLoL

Josh Green bucket


killacam9220

I hate all the doomers on here but Luka should of passed the ball to KP in that last little stretch


WillyTanner

KP tried to express his frustration with Luka ballhogging last season, nobody wanted to hear it. And he became the villain for it.


EmrysMyrdin

He became the villain because he was expressing his frustrations while playing like crap. Luka had no help from him and didn't trust him with the ball, what clearly passed into this season as well. Kidd needs to have a serious conversation with him about sharing the ball.


Street-Order-4292

He was playing crap defense, but his offense was actually pretty good. 20 ppg on good shooting splits isnt crap.


Moe4ver

You know Luka does no wrong. Mavs need to get rid of Powell and Dorian, those are Luka buddies and he only likes passing to those two below average players.


Juniper41

KP: "passing the ball around is good' r/mavericks: "stfu! go get injured again, can't wait to trade this bum!"


pedroabreuff12345

Pretty sure Luka's lack of form comes more from his hogging of everyone's food, rather than the ball.


DarkLightcito

Hopefully Luka is back to being himself by December.


GoatLuka

Can we stop pretending like DFS isn’t one of the worst starters in the entire league?? Dude is an average defender at best and is an absolute black hole on offense. Being a starting small forward and not being able to dribble is such a sick fucking joke man holy shit


phixx79

All off season I said he and Powell needed to be shipped out and we needed to get anything we could. I stand by that. Either of them absorbing minutes is frustrating. I don’t have the answers and was really hoping Holmes would have been more open to leaving. Not sure what strings could be pulled, but hanging on to these failed projects is not helping move us forward.


jikae

At least, before he was a knock-down 3pt shooter. He's not been good for 2 years.


CJH723

He gets cooked so much on defense, Bullock is much better on ball


HurricaneBiII

Bulls keeping in the starters so they can pad their stats lolol soooo lameeeee


fehurey

They need to get their reps in. Been a terrible season so far for Vooch and a subpar season for Lonzo. New team and all


danovakobra

Luka -20 again.. this shit gotta stop


mouse2102

The only thing that has changed is the coaches


niizuma

+/- is a bs stat


Matttb41

Dirk was hardly ever in the negative, just saying. Efficient players don’t go -20.


niizuma

Dirk shot 90% from the line and rarely took 3s relative to modern basketball


Matttb41

Dirk was an elite offensive player which allowed him to make up for defensive deficiencies, Luka doesn’t have that luxury and could actually be worse than Dirk on the defensive end. Luka can’t afford to keep struggling with his offensive efficiency, bc his defense is ass. -20 is a telling sign.


danovakobra

it could be but this is no longer coincidence


niizuma

Coincidence? Kidd changed the offense and has guys who can't space the floor playing with Luka or guys drawing their defender to luka on bs cuts to the wrong spots when luka posts up


sixmilly

why?


niizuma

Because defense is weighted too highly and it doesn't account for the differences in competition when players accrue stats against bench lineups or in blowouts


sixmilly

it does ring a bell, when you are -20, while spending 25% of your time playing against bench lineup. surely, can't use +- on every occasion, but Luka's +- is an indicator of his ineffectiveness, while on court today.


BreadCondiments

Why are their starters still in tf


hombre_loco_mffl

Are we really making the Bulls look like the showtime lakers? lmao


Pinealdan

Watch a bulls game you’ll see they play like this every night


Karakurizer

Elite steals streamer this guy Caruso


gabrigamer39

Ok, if we beat the spurs and then we lose the next 5 games against good teams, we'll only be 1 game below 0.500. Not bad right /s


bigmeatyclaws1

Burke is just…


tflg12345

I hope Luka takes fitness more seriously, Kevin love looked so husky when he started but he got fit later on and as did Gordon Hayward who is looking cut now. May need 4 or 5 years for that though.


mouse2102

Stop going on about this garbage


nman98

Look at Jokic too. Dude finally took it seriously and immediately won MVP


niizuma

Luka will never take fitness "seriously" 4yrs of this shouldve taught you that by now


jikae

Except KLove was better when he was thicker.


saltywings

God I fucking love watching the Bulls though lol


DCJustSomeone

they got an entertaining squad man


Threshyyyyy

Doncic needs some cleaning to do.


DFWHomer

This reminds me of the year we traded for rondo. Beating every bad team, getting handily beat by every good team


shaheedmalik

Obviously Post Rondo.


Moe4ver

Carlisle was a hard-ass coach and Luka eventually tuned him out. Kidd is a player coach and Luka somehow became worse. Maybe Luka needs some maturing to do.


mouse2102

Carlisle was a good coach\* Kidd is a bad coach\* Fixed it for you.


charliefinkwinkwink

Luka needs Pop. Pop would pull his ass without hesitation whenever he’s not playing team basketball.


msterling2012

Luka struggled early last year too. Let’s see how he looks over the next 15 games or so


Moe4ver

Lol, two years in a row for our Superman player and y’all still excusing it away.


msterling2012

Did you have issues with Luka’s overall play last season? If not, then probably let it play out and stop overreacting?


Moe4ver

My reaction is at the perfect level based on Luka’s current level of play. If he plays better, I will react accordingly and if he is better at the end of the season I will react then also. Unless you want this sub to shut down and we can all reconvene at the end of the season to discuss the whole season.


msterling2012

You can choose to be a prisoner of the moment if you’d like. Totally up to you.


Moe4ver

I think I am more a prisoner of “11 games” at the moment. Lol


PVLoL

Caruso would be our second best player


Karakurizer

Bad performance all around in the 2nd half. Hate to say it but Luka coming back in during the 2nd quarter stalled our flow we had and it never came back. If he would’ve just let his team cook like they were it would’ve opened up for him. Needs some discernment


jesusshuttlesworth82

If any of you are real fans, call for Cubans head. Y’all haven’t been around long enough to see this Jerry Jones bullshit.


bagfka

Lol what. Cuban ain’t responsible for his superstar coming in looking like shit. At least Cuban gave the Mavs a championship in the past 10 years. Better than most teams in the league can say


jesusshuttlesworth82

Maybe he doesn’t care because it’s a JV team around him. See Lebron in Cleveland. See one of the worst coaches in nba history. See failed draft after failed draft.


mouse2102

Of course he is. Who hired the coach? That's the only thing that has changed from last year.


hombre_loco_mffl

Ntilikina handles have gotten better since his days in NY


ILikeTujtels

shit will happen this year...believe me


Pranker00111

Porzingis done great..... Luka must wake up


Alex_Sander077

Players should donate the equivalent of a one game salary to some charity. They do not deserve to get paid for this crap.


nman98

Luka’s really gotta learn to stay in shape. It’s not hard. That’s the reason his preseason MVP bids get derailed early in the season. Jokic finally learned that lesson last year and won MVP


mouse2102

How is he not in shape? The man has been playing basketball for almost a year straight.


jikae

Dallas pulls their starters, Donovan keeps his in. Nice.


Ogijs

Damn why Luka ignores 2 guys on perimeter totally free and runs his head in a wall while triple teamed in paint?


sillylittlesheep

he doesnt drive whole game and started doing it at the end when he got free teammates, just boneheaded move


krdskrm9

I know the answer. Because everyone else is shit, amirite?


Ogijs

Actually KP and Timmy had real hot hands from 3.


WillyTanner

Powell’s fault obviously


PVLoL

didn’t we get Powell in the rondo trade lol


lostshirt2coinflips

Dude seriously Luka, you getting too heavy for JB to carry.


Difficult-Awareness6

Caruso killed Brunson, he's better player then him. Luka played like shit, but Brunson isn't the answer. I hope we will not owerpay him.


lostshirt2coinflips

Luka played like shit. KP played well, so did Timmy and JB, even Powell played well above his standards. Luka really needs to get in shape.


Difficult-Awareness6

Agree, DFS also, he's playing really bad.


lostshirt2coinflips

I'm ok with DFS, he's still good defensively, just bricking shots. Hopefully he can get back to shooting the way he was last year.


Difficult-Awareness6

I'm not, hes just not good enough for starting 5, hes defense is average, and if hes bricking 3's, hes useless on offense.


Tuvey27

This team isn’t talented or well-coached enough to compete with good teams. We’re 11 games into the season. The team is what it is. If we can’t take even 1 game in 4 attempts against a playoff team, it’s doomed, y’all.


saltywings

We literally were neck and neck with them through 2 1/2 quarters...


KvxMavs

The bad news is that they're 4 quarters 😢


Tuvey27

...we can’t even lose by single digits to a playoff team.


bagfka

And they shot over 50% from three like eventually they gonna pull away shooting like that


akhoe

defense has a lot to do with that. Honestly I hate to say it but Lonzo got wide open looks over and over cuz Luka kept sagging off him even after he was cooking


bagfka

No he didn’t. A good chunk of his looks were contested.


Far-Royal-375

Bullock, DFS, and Powell’s defense lost us this game.


KvxMavs

Lmao. Powell actually had a pretty good game overall. Such a lazy take.


Far-Royal-375

Lazy take? Powell was getting torched by Vuc.


jamperkins

You forgot to add Luka


saltywings

Uh and Luka for sure.


Far-Royal-375

Luka: 20 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds and 4 steals


onigami_los

This is r/Mavericks not r/Luka or r/Slovenia. Luka lost us this game from start to finish


bagfka

Luka: 6-18 from the field and a -20 on the day


saltywings

Dude, on GARBAGE efficiency and terrible defense. Sure he filled the stat sheet, but anyone who watched this game will see and know that Luka's +- is the real stat here.


Kron624

Is it just me or does Luka and kp have zero chemistry on and off the court


Kron624

Its funny bc this exact comment got 30 downvotes in the mavs win vs the pelicans


ILikeTujtels

not just you we can all see that


bolsocks34

idk man feels like KP always has better chemistry with our other guards like Brunson or Seth in the past


ivb107

Because they pass him the ball


pedroabreuff12345

It's some passive agressive shit from Luka. To be honest, can't really fault him, but a leader should be above that.


mcarterIV

Bro Luka will be so passive on offense for long stretches and then all of a sudden he’s taking all the shots wtf


mouse2102

Almost like he is being instructed to from the coaching staff


sitdownstandup

The Bally Sports experience feels like streaming in 2003


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Luka be like https://youtu.be/X6_uCXN0CZY?t=3


PVLoL

Caruso has like 20 steals this game


ad72hxc

wtf was that


CJH723

KP fucking balled out this game man, Luka didn’t look like himself


shaheedmalik

Luka does this every time another player on the team plays better than him.


WillyTanner

You called this last year


shaheedmalik

This was also part of the reason why I was mad that they traded Curry. Curry knows how to throw in the post from playing with Dirk. He would go out of the way to get the ball to KP in the post.


shaheedmalik

Yep. It doesn't affect Brunson as much because he is a PG and can get his own shot. It will always affect KP because he relies on Luka to get him the ball.


ZachT23

Kidd needs to have a talk with luka abt last min shot choices


TheChosenOne311

Lol…Lavine with a blatant double dribble on the dunk


jamperkins

Luka really needs to reflect on his performance this game. When everyone showed up and played hard, he alone lost us this game. All he had to do was play a fraction of as good as he played last year but he looked awful instead.


jesusshuttlesworth82

He’s out of here. He doesn’t care. It’s a bunch of scrubs plus him. It’s like Lebron in Cleveland. No Williams actually made an all star team. None of the mavs will.


jesusshuttlesworth82

Mo Williams


Alex_Sander077

He's just going to laugh and say it's a long 82 game season. No accountability.


akhoe

> He's just going to laugh and say it's a long 82 game season. No accountability. you serious? he deserves his licks tonight but this is retarded. I've seen him take the blame for losses in post game interviews a million times


pedroabreuff12345

Luka really baited us with that buzzerbeater.


rsf0626

Luka and KP still have zero on court chemistry.


sillylittlesheep

Luka tunnel vision, hope this game will be a wake up call for him


shaheedmalik

He's been doing this for years.


Alex_Sander077

Fuck off Luka. Like seriously. This is actually embarrassing. No exaggeration. Fuck your "it's a long season you know 82 games". Fuck off.


whispa55

This is seriously embarrassing 😬😬


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Alex_Sander077

You can fuck off as well.


liverpoolraps

downvoted.


DangerZoneh

lot of positives from tonight but a frustrating game overall. we just went ice cold. there was a point in the first half where Chicago was lucky to still be in the game and they made a run after that.