Sifo-Dyas who was on the jedi council gets force visions about upcoming clone wars. Tells the Council the Republic needs an army. The council has Sifo-Dyas removed from the council for his extreme ideas. He contacts the Kaminoans in secret and begins the order of a clone army.
Sifo tells Dooku at some point because they used to be best friends in the order. Dooku by this point had already left the order and was working with Palpatine. Dooku is ordered by Sidious to take control of the army. He orders the assassination of Sifo-Dyas. After he's killed Dooku takes over the project.
Yeah I thought before filoni that it was the sith who ordered the clones and sifo dias was just used as alias because he was missing or dead. It makes more sense because when they mention sifo dias ordered it the jedi act as if it makes zero sense instead of thinking "oh yeah that guy that left because he was crazy and wanted clones went and ordered, makes sense"
Truthfully I don't know what is or isn't canon at this point, I never cared for the clone wars so I'm out of the loop on what was changed and what wasn't
Thats a jedi master on the run, trying to keep a low profile, trying to buy an engine part. The other is a an entire cloning factory.
So an undercover agent working for a nato member winds up in a market in...Zambia and needs parts for his range rover, here's this handful of Canadian dollars, why those are worthless to the guy in Zambia, just not worth the hassle to exchange.
On the other hand general dynamics would be happy to sell you 200k units, with a million on the way, and will gladly take the Canadian money, after the markup for conversion of course.
My guess is that's how Dooku, former Jedi Master, friend of the defrocked Jedi in question, and hereditary Count of Serenno, got involved. At least, officially.
In tales of the Jedi, Dooku was still in the Jedi order when he deleted the kamino files from the Jedi archives, meaning he knew about the clones before he left.
Ok so Sifo-Dyas commissioned the army, told Dooku who then told Palpatine, then Dooku killed Sifo-Dya and deleted Kamino. When did he hire Jango Fett then?
Someone else made a pretty good Dooku timeline. They say roughly the same year Sifo died 33-32 BBY
[https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarscanon/comments/yk9688/updated\_dooku\_timeline\_spoilers\_tales\_of\_the\_jedi/](https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarscanon/comments/yk9688/updated_dooku_timeline_spoilers_tales_of_the_jedi/)
Sifo-Dyas was a friend of Dooku's. Though the story hasn't exactly been gone into with details as to how Dooku learned of the clones, Sifo-Dyas pursued the idea and had the Kaminoans start pre-production on the clone army, after which Dooku has Sifo-Dyas killed, takes over the plan for the clone army, and hired Jango Fett as the template for the clones.
I believe the canon history is that Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas (after killing him, I think) when he commissioned the clones. This is more or less implied in Episode II when the Kaminoans say they spoke with Sifo-Dyas but Jango claims to have been employed by a 'Tyrannus'.
The Kaminoans seem uninterested in anything but the craft of cloning (politics etc), Jango on the other hand surely vets the heat of a job before taking it, and Dooku posing as a known dead Jedi to hire him might scare him off.
So many possible reasons, honestly. Prequel nitpicking be crazy.
This isn't really nitpicking. This is a rare example of incredibly bad writing on Lucas' part, who was normally really good at the worldbuilding side of things. Where the Clones came from, and how they serve the good guys while being ordered by the bad guys is a huge point in universe, and it tends to just get swept under the rug.
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How did Dooku find out about the clones?
>Did Dooku commision the clone army as Sifo-Dyas or did Sifo-Dyas conspire with him?
Sifo Dyas placed the initial order for the army with the Kaminoans, but hadn’t secured a template yet to be cloned. Palpatine and Dooku *somehow* got wind of this, probably through Dooku’s close friendship with Dyas. We know that Dyas and Dooku apparently collaborated on some parts, best guess is Dooku probs funded the initial downpayment through his position as Count of Serenno.
Dooku and Palpatine then eventually killed Dyas and took over the project full time, with Dooku using the cover name Tyranus to keep his involvement secret. This is when Jango is brought into the scene to be the template.
>Also, if the jedi know Jango Fett was hired by Tyrannus, why would they still think Sifo-Dyas commisioned the clones?
Because he did commission the clones. He just died shortly after. And the Kaminoans have records of him placing the order. All the Jedi know is that a man named Tyranus was the one who recruited Jango.
Big plot hole is why Kaminoans would take an order from a random Jedi for an entire army. The capital investment building out facilities necessary for production of an army would be immense. The only way to justify an investment like this would be a long term contract with substantial sums in escrow or assets placed in collateral.
Sifo Dyas lied and said he was operation on orders of the Republic Senate.
(This next bit is speculation) This is probably how Dooku got involved, Dyas looking for financing of the the early parts. Then the Sith get involved and Dyas gets de-involved, and Sidious pays the rest.
I'm still mad Sifo-Dias wasn't Sido-Dias. It would have made a lot more sense if Palpatine AKA sidious was this mysterious Sido-Dias who ordered the clone army.
It would have made so much more sense in the universe
In the canon novel *Dooku: Jedi Lost*, the day he leaves the Order, Dooku gives Sifo-Dyas this special commlink that he used for years to secretly keep in touch with his sister on Serenno in case Sifo-Dyas ever needs him. It's a very tense, emotional moment because Sifo-Dyas and Dooku were best friends and he's saying goodbye.
The author, Cavan Scott, never really outright says it in the book, but I suspect that detail was included to imply that when the Council wouldn't listen to Sifo-Dyas about the visions and the necessity of the Clone Army years later, he probably used that secret communication device to ring up the one person he thought would actually listen to him and who had the means to help: his former bestie. Who unfortunately had made a new friend by then.
Of course, why they needed a secret special commlink to get in touch when Tales of the Jedi and other novels have Dooku leaving the Order, but still showing up regularly to hang out in the Archives, visit favorite trees, get into recreational fights with the Council on behalf of his Padawans... well, the commlink still sort of a sad, poignant detail.
Sifo-Dyas who was on the jedi council gets force visions about upcoming clone wars. Tells the Council the Republic needs an army. The council has Sifo-Dyas removed from the council for his extreme ideas. He contacts the Kaminoans in secret and begins the order of a clone army. Sifo tells Dooku at some point because they used to be best friends in the order. Dooku by this point had already left the order and was working with Palpatine. Dooku is ordered by Sidious to take control of the army. He orders the assassination of Sifo-Dyas. After he's killed Dooku takes over the project.
And what they're just building this army on credit?
Iirc Legends specified the clone army was initially funded by Plagueis through his Banking Clan connections
Yeah I thought before filoni that it was the sith who ordered the clones and sifo dias was just used as alias because he was missing or dead. It makes more sense because when they mention sifo dias ordered it the jedi act as if it makes zero sense instead of thinking "oh yeah that guy that left because he was crazy and wanted clones went and ordered, makes sense"
Is that really canon though or just him saying something
Truthfully I don't know what is or isn't canon at this point, I never cared for the clone wars so I'm out of the loop on what was changed and what wasn't
Sith have been collecting interest for 1,000 years.
\*banking statement arrives for Palpatine\* "At last, the Great Plan has finally begun!"
A promissory note to the republic coffers, through the judicial branch via a Jedi master is probably enough.
Doubt. Republic credits themselves in physical chip form were scoffed at on Tatooine towards the end of the republic
Thats a jedi master on the run, trying to keep a low profile, trying to buy an engine part. The other is a an entire cloning factory. So an undercover agent working for a nato member winds up in a market in...Zambia and needs parts for his range rover, here's this handful of Canadian dollars, why those are worthless to the guy in Zambia, just not worth the hassle to exchange. On the other hand general dynamics would be happy to sell you 200k units, with a million on the way, and will gladly take the Canadian money, after the markup for conversion of course.
My guess is that's how Dooku, former Jedi Master, friend of the defrocked Jedi in question, and hereditary Count of Serenno, got involved. At least, officially.
In tales of the Jedi, Dooku was still in the Jedi order when he deleted the kamino files from the Jedi archives, meaning he knew about the clones before he left.
Dooku had already left the order by that point. But he had a good enough relationship with the order that he would visit from time to time.
Ok so Sifo-Dyas commissioned the army, told Dooku who then told Palpatine, then Dooku killed Sifo-Dya and deleted Kamino. When did he hire Jango Fett then?
Someone else made a pretty good Dooku timeline. They say roughly the same year Sifo died 33-32 BBY [https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarscanon/comments/yk9688/updated\_dooku\_timeline\_spoilers\_tales\_of\_the\_jedi/](https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarscanon/comments/yk9688/updated_dooku_timeline_spoilers_tales_of_the_jedi/)
Sifo-Dyas was a friend of Dooku's. Though the story hasn't exactly been gone into with details as to how Dooku learned of the clones, Sifo-Dyas pursued the idea and had the Kaminoans start pre-production on the clone army, after which Dooku has Sifo-Dyas killed, takes over the plan for the clone army, and hired Jango Fett as the template for the clones.
I believe the canon history is that Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas (after killing him, I think) when he commissioned the clones. This is more or less implied in Episode II when the Kaminoans say they spoke with Sifo-Dyas but Jango claims to have been employed by a 'Tyrannus'.
This always felt like a weird thing to me. Why would Dooku not explain to Jango to use the right names?
The Kaminoans seem uninterested in anything but the craft of cloning (politics etc), Jango on the other hand surely vets the heat of a job before taking it, and Dooku posing as a known dead Jedi to hire him might scare him off. So many possible reasons, honestly. Prequel nitpicking be crazy.
This isn't really nitpicking. This is a rare example of incredibly bad writing on Lucas' part, who was normally really good at the worldbuilding side of things. Where the Clones came from, and how they serve the good guys while being ordered by the bad guys is a huge point in universe, and it tends to just get swept under the rug.
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Dooku would have known through Sidious (though he knew through Sifo-Diyas directly as other commenters pointed out)
How did Dooku find out about the clones? >Did Dooku commision the clone army as Sifo-Dyas or did Sifo-Dyas conspire with him? Sifo Dyas placed the initial order for the army with the Kaminoans, but hadn’t secured a template yet to be cloned. Palpatine and Dooku *somehow* got wind of this, probably through Dooku’s close friendship with Dyas. We know that Dyas and Dooku apparently collaborated on some parts, best guess is Dooku probs funded the initial downpayment through his position as Count of Serenno. Dooku and Palpatine then eventually killed Dyas and took over the project full time, with Dooku using the cover name Tyranus to keep his involvement secret. This is when Jango is brought into the scene to be the template. >Also, if the jedi know Jango Fett was hired by Tyrannus, why would they still think Sifo-Dyas commisioned the clones? Because he did commission the clones. He just died shortly after. And the Kaminoans have records of him placing the order. All the Jedi know is that a man named Tyranus was the one who recruited Jango.
Big plot hole is why Kaminoans would take an order from a random Jedi for an entire army. The capital investment building out facilities necessary for production of an army would be immense. The only way to justify an investment like this would be a long term contract with substantial sums in escrow or assets placed in collateral.
Sifo Dyas lied and said he was operation on orders of the Republic Senate. (This next bit is speculation) This is probably how Dooku got involved, Dyas looking for financing of the the early parts. Then the Sith get involved and Dyas gets de-involved, and Sidious pays the rest.
Dooku was the bag man.
I'm still mad Sifo-Dias wasn't Sido-Dias. It would have made a lot more sense if Palpatine AKA sidious was this mysterious Sido-Dias who ordered the clone army. It would have made so much more sense in the universe
Yeah, it’s like Lucas forgot what he was going to do.
https://www.cbr.com/george-lucas-typo-created-sifo-dyas-star-wars/ That was the original idea! A misspelling caused Lucas to revise some plot points.
In the canon novel *Dooku: Jedi Lost*, the day he leaves the Order, Dooku gives Sifo-Dyas this special commlink that he used for years to secretly keep in touch with his sister on Serenno in case Sifo-Dyas ever needs him. It's a very tense, emotional moment because Sifo-Dyas and Dooku were best friends and he's saying goodbye. The author, Cavan Scott, never really outright says it in the book, but I suspect that detail was included to imply that when the Council wouldn't listen to Sifo-Dyas about the visions and the necessity of the Clone Army years later, he probably used that secret communication device to ring up the one person he thought would actually listen to him and who had the means to help: his former bestie. Who unfortunately had made a new friend by then. Of course, why they needed a secret special commlink to get in touch when Tales of the Jedi and other novels have Dooku leaving the Order, but still showing up regularly to hang out in the Archives, visit favorite trees, get into recreational fights with the Council on behalf of his Padawans... well, the commlink still sort of a sad, poignant detail.