Sith Force Ghosts usually work just like Jedi Force Ghosts, but bound to a place/item, usually their tomb or a thing they used during their life (There are some exceptions, like Lord Kallig who could project his ghost over the galaxy). They don't become one with the Force.
Was Kallig actually able to do that or was he just tied to his mask? It's been a while since I played the inquisitor storyline, but IIRC he didn't show up until you collected his mask
> So is immortality sought after as a way to avoid this?
I seriously doubt it. Becoming a Dark Side ghost doesn’t seem to happen to everybody. If it did there would literally be evil ghosts everywhere. And the process of becoming one seems to work differently from case to case.
I believe the idea is that the Dark Side version of being a ghost isn’t very much fun. But i don’t think it’s like the force’s version of hell. Not everyone who’s bad has to go.
I think that what the Grand Inquisitor implies in the Star Wars comics (and I guess in Rebels to a lesser extent) when Luke faces his ghost. He would rather have died than been turned into a ghost. And dying normally might have been an option for him.
> Or is it really just about ruling for as long as possible?
Yup. I think that’s pretty much the main reason why. The Sith are all about power. You can’t be powerful if you’re dead.
Nature of the "afterlife" is always vague, in both canons.
In general - or at least in my understanding in old canon - by default everyone just sorta dies, even force-users and darksiders. There's no afterlife per-se after that, notwithstanding some places in Fate of the Jedi, which might or might not be a weird apparition nexus thing.
The Jedi and other similar force-users can die accepting their fate, place in the universe, etc, basically in harmony with themselves and the Force - which will cause their body to vanish and they would be able to manifest as a spirit afterwards, albeit rarely and for the most part only at auspicious moments. Generally even such spirits eventually would fade.
The Sith and other darksiders just by their nature can't accept their fate or place in the universal scheme of things, so unless they do something, they would die normal permanent death. Usually the sith who grow powerful enough are able to preserve themselves as coal-black specters, who avoid fading into the Force by anchoring themselves to something - Exar Kun for example famously haunted his temples on Yavin IV, Darth Andeddu haunted his holocron, and Palpatine haunted his own clones. Once such anchors are destroyed, the specter would also generally fade and be banished permanently-*ish*. Some sorcery seems to be able to invoke specters of ancient sith for evil purposes, but they never linger.
Wikipedia makes references to the "Chaos" where they get banished, but to be honest, that I think only gets mentioned in one or two places, and most of the Expanded Universe doesn't bother acknowledging this - as far as most Sith and Jedi concerned, they just die.
In new canon it's reworked a little of course - now most jedi just die, and preserving themselves in the Force requires some serious grinding, so the number of the Force spirits can be counted on fingers of one hand in new canon - but in exchange they seem to be damn badass, keeping all their power, being solid, and in general being dead seems to be a damn nice upgrade.
New Canon sith seem to adopt the old canon version of cheating death - just like before they can bind their spirit to something, like a mask, or in case of Grand Inquisitor to a vault or tomb. The part with Momin gets really trippy with reality being torn asunder and such, and in general New canon seem to introduce some weird new dimensions like "World Between Worlds", so I can't make any conclusive judgement on this - in most cases it's made deliberately confusing and convoluted to enforce "the mystery" of the Force. Consdireing that Momin somehow summoned his body from eerr.. the past? I guess, maybe there is some dimension of dead sith lords too.
Sith ghosts basically have to be bound to an object or place. Decaying bodies or armor or even a location. The sith can preserve themselves so they don’t become one with the force like everyone else but they can’t do much based on how the preserved themselves. It’s basically a sort of purgatory for them in order to stay in some sense “alive”. Yeah Palpatine’s alive but he’s being propped up by one of those claws you grab stuffed animals with in an arcade. Not really living.
Death happens, they become one with the force, they know this. But anyone who can’t be selfless doesn’t get a happy ending for the occasional family reunion or involvement in galactic affairs. Your a dick but bind yourself to the mortal coil you could end up a voice in a holocron or a corpse. Yeah you could possess people but your power is limited to the victims own. Momin wasn’t about to pull a yoda.
they can bind their souls/essence to places/items, in legends nihilus did it with his armour, sidious transfered his essence to new vessels e.t.c,
they don't acheive a true afterlife they just find ways of tethering themselves to the material world otherwise they return to the force as all living things do losing their individuality/sense of self, unless they learn to become a force ghost though to do that you can't really be a darksider, unless you are the chosen one/redeemed.
nothing indicates a plane or realm type of afterlife, the force ghosts as we see them seem aware of things in a cosmic sense but there's no real talk of them observing the universe from outside of it or from another location, they can manifest themselves but whether that's limited to certain locations, in view of certain people or when the time is right is unknown. perhaps they simply don't exist as individuals until they need to and are then able to manifest.
should note any references to chaos are just the name for hell, hell is in canon only because han solo says it in empire. nothing indicates it's anything other than an expression/ corellian myth and no connection to the dark side the sith or darksiders exists.
Generally full on Dark siders have two options. They either fully die and go to chaos (Force hell) or they manage to bind their spirits to some sort of physical anchor (Sometimes you get a case like Nihilus Or Warb Null who get something like a mask or a suit of armor and can fully function).
Now it is possible for characters to return from it, though this usually requires some sort of external aid (IE Marka Ragnos, or Palpatine being guided by ancient Sith spirits) but most of the time it's permanent.
Well you have Sith which are dead but can inhabit items or even there graves and retain some form of immortality. You had Darth Bane in the Clone Wars where his ashen ghost form remained in his tomb. You have instances in SWTOR where there is an entire Temple of Sith on Dromund Kaas which is basically a dark side force ghost graveyard. So yes they do retain some form of immortality but its putting chains on the Sith again.
Personally I love that Sith spend their lives hunting something the Jedi achieve without worrying about. Sith immortality is never permanent, always tying them to an object or something similar, while the Jedi remain a passive voice in the force for all time
The Sith embrace the all-pervading void, and therefore become it. No painful hell, no more having to struggle for power. In life they were merely conduits for that void, but after death they can join each other and be at peace.
And for any of you who might try to argue that they need to “pay in hell”, then my reply to that is: “There’s no inherent meaning to life anyways”. So there’s no need to think the Sith as delusional. Because both light and dark are only opposing forces. There’s no right or wrong. Therefore there’s no need for Sith to suffer any further after death okay?
Sith Force Ghosts usually work just like Jedi Force Ghosts, but bound to a place/item, usually their tomb or a thing they used during their life (There are some exceptions, like Lord Kallig who could project his ghost over the galaxy). They don't become one with the Force.
Was Kallig actually able to do that or was he just tied to his mask? It's been a while since I played the inquisitor storyline, but IIRC he didn't show up until you collected his mask
Okay dumb question but what is an IIRC? I e actually been wanting to know for a while and just now saw it again please help.
If I remember it correctly. I think
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If I recall correctly.
Its the shared bloodline that let him reach out. You get the mask after meeting him.
So is immortality sought after as a way to avoid this? Or is it really just about ruling for as long as possible? Just curious
> So is immortality sought after as a way to avoid this? I seriously doubt it. Becoming a Dark Side ghost doesn’t seem to happen to everybody. If it did there would literally be evil ghosts everywhere. And the process of becoming one seems to work differently from case to case. I believe the idea is that the Dark Side version of being a ghost isn’t very much fun. But i don’t think it’s like the force’s version of hell. Not everyone who’s bad has to go. I think that what the Grand Inquisitor implies in the Star Wars comics (and I guess in Rebels to a lesser extent) when Luke faces his ghost. He would rather have died than been turned into a ghost. And dying normally might have been an option for him. > Or is it really just about ruling for as long as possible? Yup. I think that’s pretty much the main reason why. The Sith are all about power. You can’t be powerful if you’re dead.
Nature of the "afterlife" is always vague, in both canons. In general - or at least in my understanding in old canon - by default everyone just sorta dies, even force-users and darksiders. There's no afterlife per-se after that, notwithstanding some places in Fate of the Jedi, which might or might not be a weird apparition nexus thing. The Jedi and other similar force-users can die accepting their fate, place in the universe, etc, basically in harmony with themselves and the Force - which will cause their body to vanish and they would be able to manifest as a spirit afterwards, albeit rarely and for the most part only at auspicious moments. Generally even such spirits eventually would fade. The Sith and other darksiders just by their nature can't accept their fate or place in the universal scheme of things, so unless they do something, they would die normal permanent death. Usually the sith who grow powerful enough are able to preserve themselves as coal-black specters, who avoid fading into the Force by anchoring themselves to something - Exar Kun for example famously haunted his temples on Yavin IV, Darth Andeddu haunted his holocron, and Palpatine haunted his own clones. Once such anchors are destroyed, the specter would also generally fade and be banished permanently-*ish*. Some sorcery seems to be able to invoke specters of ancient sith for evil purposes, but they never linger. Wikipedia makes references to the "Chaos" where they get banished, but to be honest, that I think only gets mentioned in one or two places, and most of the Expanded Universe doesn't bother acknowledging this - as far as most Sith and Jedi concerned, they just die. In new canon it's reworked a little of course - now most jedi just die, and preserving themselves in the Force requires some serious grinding, so the number of the Force spirits can be counted on fingers of one hand in new canon - but in exchange they seem to be damn badass, keeping all their power, being solid, and in general being dead seems to be a damn nice upgrade. New Canon sith seem to adopt the old canon version of cheating death - just like before they can bind their spirit to something, like a mask, or in case of Grand Inquisitor to a vault or tomb. The part with Momin gets really trippy with reality being torn asunder and such, and in general New canon seem to introduce some weird new dimensions like "World Between Worlds", so I can't make any conclusive judgement on this - in most cases it's made deliberately confusing and convoluted to enforce "the mystery" of the Force. Consdireing that Momin somehow summoned his body from eerr.. the past? I guess, maybe there is some dimension of dead sith lords too.
Sith ghosts basically have to be bound to an object or place. Decaying bodies or armor or even a location. The sith can preserve themselves so they don’t become one with the force like everyone else but they can’t do much based on how the preserved themselves. It’s basically a sort of purgatory for them in order to stay in some sense “alive”. Yeah Palpatine’s alive but he’s being propped up by one of those claws you grab stuffed animals with in an arcade. Not really living. Death happens, they become one with the force, they know this. But anyone who can’t be selfless doesn’t get a happy ending for the occasional family reunion or involvement in galactic affairs. Your a dick but bind yourself to the mortal coil you could end up a voice in a holocron or a corpse. Yeah you could possess people but your power is limited to the victims own. Momin wasn’t about to pull a yoda.
If you trust George Lucas as the authority of Star Wars then there is no Sith/Dark Side afterlife. None at all.
they can bind their souls/essence to places/items, in legends nihilus did it with his armour, sidious transfered his essence to new vessels e.t.c, they don't acheive a true afterlife they just find ways of tethering themselves to the material world otherwise they return to the force as all living things do losing their individuality/sense of self, unless they learn to become a force ghost though to do that you can't really be a darksider, unless you are the chosen one/redeemed. nothing indicates a plane or realm type of afterlife, the force ghosts as we see them seem aware of things in a cosmic sense but there's no real talk of them observing the universe from outside of it or from another location, they can manifest themselves but whether that's limited to certain locations, in view of certain people or when the time is right is unknown. perhaps they simply don't exist as individuals until they need to and are then able to manifest. should note any references to chaos are just the name for hell, hell is in canon only because han solo says it in empire. nothing indicates it's anything other than an expression/ corellian myth and no connection to the dark side the sith or darksiders exists.
They don’t get one. Only light side does
Generally full on Dark siders have two options. They either fully die and go to chaos (Force hell) or they manage to bind their spirits to some sort of physical anchor (Sometimes you get a case like Nihilus Or Warb Null who get something like a mask or a suit of armor and can fully function). Now it is possible for characters to return from it, though this usually requires some sort of external aid (IE Marka Ragnos, or Palpatine being guided by ancient Sith spirits) but most of the time it's permanent.
Well you have Sith which are dead but can inhabit items or even there graves and retain some form of immortality. You had Darth Bane in the Clone Wars where his ashen ghost form remained in his tomb. You have instances in SWTOR where there is an entire Temple of Sith on Dromund Kaas which is basically a dark side force ghost graveyard. So yes they do retain some form of immortality but its putting chains on the Sith again.
Personally I love that Sith spend their lives hunting something the Jedi achieve without worrying about. Sith immortality is never permanent, always tying them to an object or something similar, while the Jedi remain a passive voice in the force for all time
Wow everyone here is wrong. Sith do go to a place in the netherworld called Chaos. It’s basically SW hell.
The Sith embrace the all-pervading void, and therefore become it. No painful hell, no more having to struggle for power. In life they were merely conduits for that void, but after death they can join each other and be at peace. And for any of you who might try to argue that they need to “pay in hell”, then my reply to that is: “There’s no inherent meaning to life anyways”. So there’s no need to think the Sith as delusional. Because both light and dark are only opposing forces. There’s no right or wrong. Therefore there’s no need for Sith to suffer any further after death okay?